Interesting Article: What Bush Knew Before 9/11

[natashax]

Interesting Article: What Bush Knew Before 9/11



I just discovered this the other day and found it very interesting:


"White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes, and that information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies."


go to the url for the full article:

abcnews.go.com/sections/u...20516.html

[midgetbones]

Did you expect him to tell the whole country to watch out for a possible terrorist strike? Do you realize what the hell that would have done? And the strikes still would have happened. Did you expect the government to start pulling every middle eastern looking individual that wanted on a plane? You people freak about us doing that now.
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[natashax]

My point is, the people on the 4th plane knew something was going on and they fought back. They didn't save their own lives, but they saved the lives of god knows how many people that would have been the target of that plane. Perhaps if Americans had advanced warning, the people on the planes would not have just sat back and let themselves be a weapon of mass destruction. Thousands of lives could have been saved that day.

[midgetbones]

Bush didn't know the terrorists would kill everyone on board. Look at the history of terrorism.

"Perhaps if Americans had advanced warning, the people on the planes would not have just sat back and let themselves be a weapon of mass destruction. Thousands of lives could have been saved that day. "

So are you partly blaming the passengers on board? It is amazing how you people think America and its government is in more wrong than the terrorists themselves.
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[Propose This]

I propose this; Bush knew! He even knew when that's why he was out of town.

When passenger jets commandeered by 'terrorist' suicide pilots struck the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, murdering thousands of innocent people from all over the world, the Bush Administration seized the opportunity to implement measures that the US ruling class had been planning for some time.


First was the declaration of ‘permanent war’ against terrorism, which serves as the cover for the US military to violently suppress any movements in other countries opposing US big businesses’ policies. Second was the Bush Administration’s wholesale assault against civil liberties in the US under a gossamer-thin disguise of protecting US citizens from terrorism.

Bush knew!

[saddam aggression]

saddam DID know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mylezylez]

Wow, I was under the impression that Saddam was COMPELTELY unrelated to the September 11th hijackers.

Guess I was wrong.
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[saddam aggression]

Happy to be of help and you are a big person to admit you were wrong.

[midgetbones]

would rather side with saddam than your own President. You people are not patriots.
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[Samuel Johnson]

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Samuel Johnson

[midgetbones]

"But let it be considered that he did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak of self- interest."

Samuel Johnson



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[midgetbones]

people's words :

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

- John Stuart Mill


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[not Sammie Johnson]

That's why you non-Americans are so delusional.....ya believe everything you read & hear......like ANSWR, NION, Hollywood idiots & extreeeeeeme left democrat politicians who obviously care more about politics than protecting U.S. citizens.

why don't u go to Iraq 4 a nice 2 wk vacation? It's nice there.

[Maureen Dowd]

Patriotism, last refuge of spinners

Maureen Dowd

I have studied the Bushes, father and son, for two decades and I can tell you certain things with absolute certainty. They are devoted to sports, to family and to country, with a sentimentalism about America that sometimes moves them to tears.
I accept and admire their patriotism. And I'd like to believe that they accept and admire mine. My father was an immigrant who went to war for America and, as a police detective, risked his life protecting presidents and members of Congress for 25 years. In our family, police officers, firefighters, the military, the flag and the Statue of Liberty were icons long before September 11.

So I don't need instructions from Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, on the conduct of a good American. Patriotism, it seems, is the last refuge of spinners.

Even as the White House preaches tolerance toward Muslims and Sikhs, it is practising intolerance, signalling that anyone who challenges the leaders of an embattled America is cynical, political and - isn't this the subtext? - unpatriotic.

"The reminder is to all Americans, that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and that this is not a time for remarks like that," Mr Fleischer said haughtily while dressing down Bill Maher, the host of the television comedy Politically Incorrect. Then, perhaps showing a belated appreciation for freedom of expression, the White House dropped the Big Brother words "watch what they say" from its transcript.

Mr Fleischer acts offended - and vindictive - when someone has the nerve to challenge the White House while our country is a target. But especially when we are a target we should not suppress the very thing that makes our foul enemies crazed with twisted envy - our heady and headache-inducing clash of ideas. We should dread a climate where the jobs of columnists and comedians are endangered by dissent.

Is stopping-while-you're-ahead a lost art? (Yes, mayor-for-life Rudy, that means you, too.) President Bush is basking in nearly unanimous public support. Garry Trudeau has pulled his featherweight-Bush cartoons. Barbra Streisand has taken anti-Bush diatribes off her website. David Letterman has been as diplomatic as Colin Powell.

And yet top Bush advisers have become image profiteers, spinning tall tales in a greedy quest to transform the president they had fretted was coming across as too small before the crisis into a larger-than-life figure.

"They're trying so hard to make him look Churchillian and it's entirely unnecessary," says one Republican who advises the administration. "They're overselling a product that's selling itself."

The hyperventilated spin began the morning after the attacks. To deflect criticism that the administration had been without any commanding and reassuring Giuliani-like voice for 10 hours, as the president and other high-level officials scrambled around, Karl Rove and Mr Fleischer pushed the spurious and elaborately embroidered stories that the White House and Air Force One were also intended targets. Such big, lame inventions undermine our trust, just as the Bush team starts to do a lot fast and in secret.

The chief of staff, Andy Card, has instructed the whole White House to stop speaking to reporters, so that the chosen few can spoon-feed the press the image of an In-Charge, Focused, Resolute President. Proving that a 90% approval rating is a dangerous tonic, Mr Rove gets upset when any attention is deflected from Mr Bush.

The White House was irked at Bill Clinton's high profile. And Mr Rove was furious when Dick Cheney told of dispatching the president off to a Midwest bunker while he stoically stayed in the White House basement.

The White House is wrapping the flag around a little too snugly, as the senior Bush did in the 1988 election campaign when he appeared at a flag factory and talked about being "on the American side".

At a time when Americans are willing to vest extraordinary power in the president, to trust him with life-and-death decisions, to give him him considerable leeway in curbing civil liberties and spending billions, this is a time when questions and debate are what patriotism demands. Even the most high-minded government is not infallible.

[Sassy]

I say anti-American - no brainer.

Let me say I am not against the freedom to disagree. Pope John Paul II is my hero and he is against this war. (Popes have always come out against all wars it seems.) And I was one of the less than 1% who voted for Pat Buchanan for president, and he is against this war (although he seems to be changing his mind a little). BUT the Pope and Pat Buchanan are not anti-Bush or anti-American.

In fact, I am anti-war and hope Saddam goes into exile or is taken out from within (better yet).

But these protestors are just plain anti-American or anti-Bush. Germany, France and other countries with their anti-American rants and signs. In our own country every few signs were anti-Bush at the "peace" demonstrations. On this forum you don't have to try hard to find anti-American and anti-Bush postings.

Peaceniks you have been totally brainwashed by your leaders who have communist roots. Read your own postings which are more anti-American or anti-Bush than pro-peace.

Love and peace through strength.
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[Bush Whacked]

www.whatreallyhappened.com/911short.htm

[Bush Whacked]

www.whatreallyhappened.com/911short.htm

[Chicken Hawk]

www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html

[Here's a real soldier!]

Thank you for proving I am right!

What's up with all the websites. Do you think we thinkers are as gullible as you & will believe everything we read? No, no, and no, we certainly will not.

[midgetbones]

blieve you questioned what another man did for his country. George Bush Sr. DID fly and get shot down. He didn't bail. You liberal fuckers know nothing about the military and what it takes. You know nothing about sacrafice and devotion to country. You liberals make me sick. For all I care you liberals can go to Iraq with your peace rallies and all that bull @#%$. You speak a big game yet you will never set foot in actually playing it. If you people really believed in what you were doing you would go to Iraq and protest.
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[Sassy]

I agree with everything you say on all your posts, but I wish you wouldn't use such colorful language. You are better than that.

Thank you for serving. It is because of you and all of our military that these people have the freedom to say such dumb things. I hope some day they will acquire some sense.
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[s ASS y]

Oh MidgetBrains! Talk dirty to me. I love it when you cuss out those peace activists. Perhaps you can come over and give me some of your dirty mouth.

Sincerely,
Your war mongering anti-feminist stand-by-your-man gurlfriend

["May God be with us!]

Somehow Cognitive seems unable to distnguish the force the enslaves people from the force that liberates them. Does anyone believe that the Americans in Afgansistan are the same as the Taliban? Does anyone really believe that the Germans in WW II were the moral equals of the Americans fighting against them? Since American soldiers were using weapons to defeat their enemies, does that make them the same as the Nazi concentration camp guards butchering men, women and children? Or the Japanese raping and murdering as they conquered Nanking or Manilla? My suggestion is that Cognitivist go the local VFW and explain his interesting theories to the American veterans who fought in the Pacific and Europe and liberated those enslaved by the Nazis and Japanese.

Theologically, it has been agreed by every rational thinker that there are times when war is just. I would also point out that the Old Testament is filled with God's people making war on others at God's direction.

As to the question of who's side God is on, it is absurd to formulate the question this way. It is impossible to know the mind of God in such things, just as nothing is guaranteed as to which way the war will go. However, we must try as best we can through the minds God has given us and prayer to determine which is the right path to take.

Cognitive states that "God does not take sides in this kind of war." I don't know which God you worship, but it is nice that you can fit him in a box of your making.

Can anyone seriously argue that an Iraqi dictatorship is morally equal to America, with all its faults. Shouldn't those who say they love all people and believe in peace support any action that would end the Iraqi dictatorship that survives on the blood of its own citizens and that of neighboring countries, that has murdered, tortured, raped, gassed and starved its own citizens to destroy dissent. A regime that has developed tons of nerve agents, chemical weapons, biological weapons, and attempted to create nuclear weapons all for the end of killing countless others to further the designs of its a tyrant.

I would Cognitive that war already exists. We have been in a war for survival since at least 9/11. War also already exists in Iraqi, where Hussein has killed a million of his citizens. This kind of war apparently doesn't bother people like Cognitive, who only become distressed when American force is involved.

It is hard for me to believe that there are so many people out there who hate America to the degree that they would oppose or be neutral to the propect of freeing the Iraqi people from this monstorous man.

[Sassy]

Miss Information: For your information midgetbones has more intelligence than you have in your little leftist toe. It's because of people like him that you have the right to act so stupid. You should be supporting our troops.

My husband said that you are singling me out because you consider me effective. Hmmmmmm

The way anyone reading this forum can tell the FAKE Sassy from the real Sassy is that the real Sassy is patriotic and doesn't look for voluminous websites to blame America and Bush for everything.

The FAKE can't say more than two sentences on her own.
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[Clinton knew]

AT LAST!!!!! CLINTON TELLING HOW HE REALLY THINKS!!!!

There are many good consequences of Bill Clinton no longer being president, but not the least is that at last we can find out what he really thinks. As long as Mr. Clinton was in the White House, getting the truth out of him was like looking for intelligent life on Mars. But last week, after a year of rest and relaxation, the ex-president revealed to a breathless world exactly why America was attacked by terrorists on Sept. 11.

The reason is that it’s all our fault. For hundreds of years we mistreated the Indians, owned slaves and even committed crusading, with the result that the Sept. 11 attacks are the butcher’s bill for our long record of crime and terrorism.D">

Speaking before an audience of about 1,000 students at Georgetown University, the former president unbosomed an astonishing range of ignorance about various historical events and even more flawed thinking about what the events mean and what they have to do with the Sept. 11 attacks.

“Here in the United States,” he disclosed, “we were founded as a nation that practiced slavery, and slaves quite frequently were killed even though they were innocent.” “This country once looked the other way when a significant number of native Americans were dispossessed and killed to get their land or their mineral rights or because they were thought of as less than fully human.... And we are still paying a price today” for those sins.

Such scholarship already. Mr. Clinton is indeed right that the United States practiced slavery from its beginnings and that some slaves were killed. So did most other societies, European and not, for a lot longer than the United States. We also nabbed Indian land. So did the British, the French, and the Spanish, not to speak of Indians themselves. All that’s true, and you can learn about it, not by attending universities, but simply by watching TV reruns and old movies. Why Arab terrorists should attack us for those deeds today is another question, of course.

As for the morality of it, that’s another story, but if indeed these events were things we should not only be ashamed of but even punished for, as Mr. Clinton implied, then the entire American national experience is illegitimate. Without slavery and the expropriation of the Indians, there would be no America at all, and if you can’t live with the one, you’re not going to be comfortable with the other.

Various questions immediately arise. What exactly are “we”—presumably modern Americans—supposed to do about it, since the Crusaders have been dead for about a thousand years? And what could it possibly have to do with contemporary terrorism? Why don’t Jews commit terrorism against us if they’re still talking about it in the Middle East? Why do Middle Easterners commit terrorism against Americans, who weren’t even around during the First Crusade, which took place in 1096?

Ever since Sept. 11 there have been various reasons offered as to why the terrorists attacked us, many of them simply cant constructed to make us look good (they attacked us because we’re a “democracy” or because we practice tolerance and let women go to school) or to avoid blaming U.S. support for Israel lest some people think we should stop doing so. But even these phony rationales attributed to the terrorists argue that we were attacked because of our virtues, and some critics of U.S. foreign policy (such as your servant) believe we were attacked because of our foreign policy in the Middle East generally. But as far as I know, no one has suggested that we had it coming all along—until now. :">

What Mr. Clinton is telling us is that the West itself, as well as the United States, are so wrapped up in terror themselves that they not only deserve to be attacked by terrorism but also that they are simply not legitimate political and cultural orders—that the West and the United States are inherently criminal and terrorist systems. That, of course, is a profoundly anti-American and anti-Western view, as well as being without historical or ethical merit. But what’s good about Mr. Clinton’s speech is that, after lying to us consistently as president for eight years, he has at last told us what he really thinks.