Yo ! Larry Levy print this

[Good night and Good Luck]

Suozzi has increased the seinor staff beyond the patronage prone Tommy G. by multiples, not to mention the salary increase of 25-35% plus for staff over the past year or two.

How do we afford it ? We raise taxes 20% and the reacess every year raising taxes another 5 or 10 percent per annum.

Remember the promise " I will make Nassau Government look like the demographics of the residents" (paraphrased)

HMMMMMMMMMMM... 1 afro-american DCE, no hispanics or other minorities, out of 6 or 7. DCE level staff. A grand total of 3 minority DCE's (Brown, Sylver and Duggan) over 5 and a half years. Not more than 1 at any one time

Looks like Tom's Garden City view of the Nassau.

Not very progressive is it

One last thing.....................


A small legal issue, the law requires getting legislative waivers for non resident appointees, that would include 6 present and past Deputy County Execs who live in Suffolk or NYC.

Gallagher
Curtis
Stokes
Cunningham
Koop - or whoever
Kline

Larry, you are backing a man who was up in Buffalo speaking about runing for Gov. whe he was in office less than 6 months in 2002.

Try printing the other 3/4 of the story

The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about.

[brainless Larry]

Larry is a pansey. Arnold would eat him up.

He cowers behind a social agenda but only wants to run around and seem "cool"

No substance, inconsistent editorials, subject to male and female "crushes" aka Tom the Suoz.

The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about.

Finally somebody with the intelligence to know how things work...

[Disgruntled Taxpayer X]

The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about.

Of course the annual reassessment raises taxes... it does so in nearly all cases.... remember, fair market value is a figure that only goes up, not down.

Judge Winslow's opinion merely knocked out the old system, it did not actually create fiscal taxpayer equity between wealthy and poor property owners. Suozzi achieved increased bond ratings in part because it was reasonably believed by the bonding companies that Judge Winslow's decision will resolve and be the final word on real estate assessments, making them more accurate and less constitutionally suspect. Wait until they find out that this is not so.

Further, real estate tax assessments are subject to court challenge, with at least 33% percent petitioner (tax payer) success rate even by Glen Borin's own obviously biased estimate. So some tax payers pay more because they do not hire a lawyer or consultant to challenge their assessments, and some increase.

The Big real estate tax case, of course, will be the longstanding litigation between the still continuing battle with respect to the over-assessment of public utility properties, and the $100,000,000 refund owed by the County to the public utiliies that the County could not pay it due to fiscal contraints was enough to exculpate the County's errors. The Court of Appeals ruled that the County will actually have to present evidence before the Court with respect to this fiscal challenge. This, of course, puts Suozzi in a bind. Suozzi either a) has to pay the money the county owes to the public utilities with a big sh*t eating grin, b) go to trial and prove that the County is in fiscal peril if it can't pay this money.

Isn't if funny that the so called architect of the fiscal recovery and the attorney who handled this case in the 2nd Department and who lost in the Court of Appeals have now fled the Administration. Guess it is easier to win when you are "of counsel" on a brief which had been written by outside counsel, as opposed to when you actually have to write it.

Disgruntled Taxpayer:

After seeing your rantings over and over again (do you do anything else with your time?) it is quite clear you are a giant blowhard. You like to hear yourself speak, or like to read what you write, more than you think about that you say. Check the legal license at the door. You can keep pretending you know much about what you know not, citing legal cases, dropping names, blah, blah, blah. The fact of the matter is that most of the time you're wrong. And when someone points this out, you go off on some other tangent.

Taxes 101: just because the fair market rates go up, doesn't mean a person's tax bill goes up. The County's main budget has collected the same 740 million every year for three years now, even with reassessments and fair market value changes. Please show me the evidence of how the reassessments raised money for the county. You can't because there is none.

I'm hoping you craft a more clever response to my reply than calling me suozzi, devlin, a hack or something.

[Son of Art G]

Hey, I'm no Art Genalli but I know that that same $740 million you see in the budget "for the past 3 years" is what they want you to see.

Reveues are burried all over the place in funds other than the general fund, which is really all you get to see.

Think about it, you really believe that the valuations are flat over 3 years. That the same $ amount of reductions and increases occur? What a coincidence for 1 year, but 3 in a row ? Buy a lottery ticket, the odds are better.

If you do, tell me why the number of homes for sale in Nassau is at the highest number since they started counting.

Yup, either your a hack or a moron-- you choice

[more hot air]

Disgruntled Taxpayer:

After seeing your rantings over and over again (do you do anything else with your time?) it is quite clear you are a giant blowhard. You like to hear yourself speak, or like to read what you write, more than you think about that you say. Check the legal license at the door. You can keep pretending you know much about what you know not, citing legal cases, dropping names, blah, blah, blah. The fact of the matter is that most of the time you're wrong. And when someone points this out, you go off on some other tangent.

Taxes 101: just because the fair market rates go up, doesn't mean a person's tax bill goes up. The County's main budget has collected the same 740 million every year for three years now, even with reassessments and fair market value changes. Please show me the evidence of how the reassessments raised money for the county. You can't because there is none.

I'm hoping you craft a more clever response to my reply than calling me suozzi, devlin, a hack or something.

Am I incorrect in the perceptions that, as general propositions, a homeowner whose house is assessed at an increased value plays an increased tax bill, that assessed fair market value is a number which typically increases, and that this increase is the bottom line for most people? You haven't raised any opposition with respect to my assertion that tax challenges are sustained at an alarming rate, nor have you refuted the very disturbing implications of the utility tax assessment case.

The Suozzi Administration is either going to have to cough up a hell of a lot of money, or demonstrate through legally admissible evidence in court the fiscal hardship that such a refund to the wrongly taxed utilities would pose. The Court of Appeals has placed Suozzi between a rock and a hard place, and his only option at this point is to delay a trial to a date after the November, 2006 elections, when the case would cause the least embarrassment to his personal ambitions.

So, as far as I can see, you haven't refuted any of the salient points made in the post: that individual tax payers are seeing increases in their tax bills, that the more savvy taxpayers are still largely successful in their tax challenges, and that the Order essentially agreed to by a deputy county attorney who apparently permitted Justice Winslow to essentially run riot (without preserving any right to appeal) has not resulted in an equitable, rational, or reliable system.

Once again, disgruntled, when it is pointed out that you are wrong, you switch the topic to something else. To make this simple for you, let me copy the text of your message and my response to that outrageous and false statement.

Your original statement:
"Suozzi has increased the seinor staff beyond the patronage prone Tommy G. by multiples, not to mention the salary increase of 25-35% plus for staff over the past year or two. How do we afford it ? We raise taxes 20% and the reacess every year raising taxes another 5 or 10 percent per annum. "

My Follow-up:
"The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about."

That was all of was pointing out. I am correct about this and you are wrong. The county as a whole does not generate an extra 5-10% every year from reassessments. It generates nothing, zilch, nada, el zero. Case closed.


It was only after being refuted on this matter (you never were able to contradict that the countys property revenues have remained at the same level for three years because you can't) that the patented "Disgruntled TaxPayer Fishing Expedition" began. Started talking about fair market values, court grievances, people's taxes go up.

As I said last time, yes some people's taxes went up. But others then went down, because Suozzi wanted to freeze property tax collections. REASSESSMENT DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY. IT HAS COLLECTED THE SAME AMOUNT EACH YEAR NO MATTER WHAT-$740 MILLION

[Mineola Mirror or Mirage]

Once again, disgruntled, when it is pointed out that you are wrong, you switch the topic to something else. To make this simple for you, let me copy the text of your message and my response to that outrageous and false statement.

Your original statement:
"Suozzi has increased the seinor staff beyond the patronage prone Tommy G. by multiples, not to mention the salary increase of 25-35% plus for staff over the past year or two. How do we afford it ? We raise taxes 20% and the reacess every year raising taxes another 5 or 10 percent per annum. "

My Follow-up:
"The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about."

That was all of was pointing out. I am correct about this and you are wrong. The county as a whole does not generate an extra 5-10% every year from reassessments. It generates nothing, zilch, nada, el zero. Case closed.


It was only after being refuted on this matter (you never were able to contradict that the countys property revenues have remained at the same level for three years because you can't) that the patented "Disgruntled TaxPayer Fishing Expedition" began. Started talking about fair market values, court grievances, people's taxes go up.

As I said last time, yes some people's taxes went up. But others then went down, because Suozzi wanted to freeze property tax collections. REASSESSMENT DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY. IT HAS COLLECTED THE SAME AMOUNT EACH YEAR NO MATTER WHAT-$740 MILLION

Actually, the first post wasn't mine. I only made two posts on this thread, and I would agree with the individual who says that your $740M per annum number appears to be a levelized number for revenue, since I have trouble believing that the numbers can balance out perfectly when the assessments are subject to challenge. I do believe that the Suozzi Administration may be cooking the books to some extent, and I think that the proof will be in the pudding will come when the Administration is compelled to go to Court and prove its inability to redress the considerable over-taxation of the public utilities. Suozzi cannot have it both ways. He cannot continue to cry poverty and continue to claim that he resolved Nassau County's longstanding fiscal crisis.It's that simple, and that is the reality you cannot face. With Tom Suozzi coming under increased scrutiny because he opened his yapp about stuff going on in Albany that is none of his business, folks are going to be looking a lot closer at the Mineola Miracle... Or Mineola Mirage.

[guest12]

The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about.

Of course the annual reassessment raises taxes... it does so in nearly all cases.... remember, fair market value is a figure that only goes up, not down.
.

But the DOLLAR AMOUNT PER $1000 OF ASSESSED VALUE IS WHAT RAISES (OR LOWERS) THE TAX.

WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE GET THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS AND LEARN HOW THE FREAKING LAW ACTUALLY WORKS???

[give me three steps Mr.]

The annual reassessment does not raise more money for the county. It just reduces some people's taxes and raises others by the same amount. there is no change in what the county collects, so it is not related at all to what you're talking about.

Of course the annual reassessment raises taxes... it does so in nearly all cases.... remember, fair market value is a figure that only goes up, not down.
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But the DOLLAR AMOUNT PER $1000 OF ASSESSED VALUE IS WHAT RAISES (OR LOWERS) THE TAX.b]WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE GET THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS AND LEARN HOW THE FREAKING LAW ACTUALLY WORKS???[/b]


I think folks do get it. They get reassessed every year, and their real estate tax bills are increased accordingly, notwithstanding the hypertechnicalities of the fornula. Funny, life was easy when certain managers in the Law Department walked into court with other people's work product, declare victory, posed for pictures in the local newspapers, and dubbed themselves "a new breed of lawyer."

Now where are these folks to try the public utilities overcharge case.... Oops couldn't run out the door fast enough, or bury the unflattering story in the business section.

Remnds of the time when those federal prosecutors came knocking at the tax assessor's door in NYC. Another nice escape.

People understand that they are getting ripped off by their government, and the local media and the other big guys are going to nothing to prevent the ordinary joe's pocket from getting picked. Luckily alot of these City Folks can sleep happily in their homes in Brooklyn and the Bronx and not have to explain their policies to their neighbors.

Now I understand why so many people are griping about fair market values and misstating the facts. There are a lot of tax cert lawyers posting on this thread!