View Full Version : 10 & 12 hour Shifts, in Sheriff's Office
I heard from a reliable source that the sheriff was going to change as many positions possible to 10 or 12 hour shifts, this would apply to both divisions. They would concentrate first on the day workers then phase it into rotating shifts.
Undersheriff levy said one of the places they would change would be district court and county court, which could easily run on 10 & or 12 hour shifts
more to follow
The Sheriff cannot implement 10 or 12 hour tours without a sign off between the union and the county. Stop making up rumors.
dumm dum
03-19-2006, 11:17 PM
In the past 15 years on the job I've seen the sheriff's basicly do what they want as far as shift changes and positions!
some he eventually lost in court others not!
anyone else hear anything on the shift change, if true there goes my OT unless I do a day off
If it is implemented without the union's approval then I'm sure the unions would file a lawsuit against it
What the hell are you talking about? We have a 5-2/5-2 , 5-2/5-3, 5-2/5-2/4-3 and a flex shift. What others are you talking about? Stop stirring the pot! (and stop smoking too)
In the past 15 years on the job I've seen the sheriff's basicly do what they want as far as shift changes and positions!
some he eventually lost in court others not!
anyone else hear anything on the shift change, if true there goes my OT unless I do a day off
In all My time,I am yet to see the Sheriff force a shift without approval, from Union and County. You must work for a different Sheriff's Office (check your patch)
If it is implemented without the union's approval then I'm sure the unions would file a lawsuit against it ...after the contract you just got jammed up your arse?!?! I wouldnt expect too much from THAT union if I was you...
How are you going to implement 10-12 hour shifts inside the jail?????????
I'm sorry it ain't happening. I will not be working a one man block for 12 hours. Remember guys there are more "Young " c/os then old . (young i mean with many many years to go) We have to start taking an interest in what goes on , and start standing together. This goes for the deps as well.........TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!:
Check it out. Break the law in Suffolk County and you can spend your jailtime watching HBO and pay-per-view on big screen plasma tv's.
Pay your taxes, work a thankless job on weekends and holidays and the county says screw-you when you need a cost of living increase.
I heard from a reliable source that the sheriff was going to change as many positions possible to 10 or 12 hour shifts, this would apply to both divisions. They would concentrate first on the day workers then phase it into rotating shifts.
Undersheriff levy said one of the places they would change would be district court and county court, which could easily run on 10 & or 12 hour shifts
more to follow
If a C/O works more than 8 hours in a day it is overtime.That is guaranteed according to our contract.You know,the one that expired 2 years and 3 1/2 months ago.Show me the money Sheriff DemarC/O.........what a joke!!!!!
How is the sheriff responsible for us not having a contract? Tell fat Vito to get off his ass and deliver.
Moron Meter
03-20-2006, 08:18 PM
When I read the dumb azz who posted - your jobs are jokes - my moron meter went off the charts. My job is no joke, it gave me the ability to raise four children here on LI and put all four through college. It allowed me to buy not one home but one I live in, one I rent out and a large home in the adirondacks as well. Not to mention the two vacation time shares we own as well. My wife works as well and believe me this job is great ! I haven't driven a car with over 30,000 miles on it in over twenty years. I work hard, but am extremely happy with the pay I earn and with the dumb bastards who keep paying it higher and higher. Now that my homes are paid off, maybe I'll buy another one.
When I read the dumb azz who posted - your jobs are jokes - my moron meter went off the charts. My job is no joke, it gave me the ability to raise four children here on LI and put all four through college. It allowed me to buy not one home but one I live in, one I rent out and a large home in the adirondacks as well. Not to mention the two vacation time shares we own as well. My wife works as well and believe me this job is great ! I haven't driven a car with over 30,000 miles on it in over twenty years. I work hard, but am extremely happy with the pay I earn and with the dumb bastards who keep paying it higher and higher. Now that my homes are paid off, maybe I'll buy another one.
Will you Adopt Me?
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Sorry, but there is alot more to life than just money...I'm sure there will be others who agree with you, but at the end of my career I want to be able to look back and be happy. And if your shallow enought to believe that having toys is enough for you, then good for you.
Perhaps you job isnt a joke, but your dept. certainly is. I have daily contact with FBI, NYPD, the courts, and State agencies. And we are considered a joke.
How is the sheriff responsible for us not having a contract? Tell fat Vito to get off his ass and deliver.
I never said he was numbnuts......just saying that this Sheriff along with all others before him wants to reduce overtime.....this is not going to do it....another brilliant idea by DumbmarC/O.
[quote="Anonymous"]Perhaps you job isnt a joke, but your dept. certainly is. I have daily contact with FBI, NYPD, the courts, and State agencies. And we are considered a joke.[/quote
Cleaning all those peoples buildings,doesn't count as having contact.
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
This job is GREAT! I only own one house, a two bedroom ranch, which would probably be paid for if it were not for those low interest rates, but hey, with interest rates so low you just have to refinance. This job has given me the ability to do just that, not once, but several times. And now the bank says that my two bedroom ranch is worth at least 350k, which is really cool, cause I'm very happy that they're so happy to loan me some more money. Maybe now with this 220k home equity loan I'll finally be able to afford to pay off the 4x4, which was costing me a fortune, and maybe I'll no longer have to do those three doubles a week to cover the minimum payment on my credit card. But the rates on the home equity loan are soooo much better than those on my credit cards.
Thanks to the credit cards I have nine TVs and five computers in my house, and last year I had A/C installed, which cost me nine grand, but at least my fat butt don't get sweaty anymore, and maybe now the wife will finally stop yelling at me, and finally let me sit on her couch, while I watch the damn ball game.
With this job I can finally afford my weekly bottle of Grey Goose, and the rest of my fifty five dollar a week liquor bill, which mostly the wife drinks, and that keeps her very happy, which keeps her off those damn anti depressants! And that's cool cause when she's unhappy and not doing anti derpressants she throws those damn TVs at me, and when she is on the anti depressants, well, you know, she won't let me watch any porn or even think about letting me even think about getting frisky.
Yea, life is GREAT! I eat out every Friday night, and after drinks, and signing my name to the bill, I walk outside and smoke one of them big Cuban cigars. Then I waddle back inside and belly up to the bar for the rest of the night. Of course, I generally hang out 'till closing time, and the bartender, well, she knows me so well that she just lets me keep a tab.
On Saturday nights I go to A/C and I make three trips a year to Vegas, now, and they always comp me.
Someday when my paycheck catches up with the banks generosity all of this will be paid for. I just hope I never live long enough to see it cause I really like this civil service lifestyle...
KUNTS AND RUNTS = SCPD
03-21-2006, 06:43 PM
The new SCPD motto, no matter how short you are, or how stupid you are, we'll hire you !
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
You think Levy cares about you or your kid? That j$$$ o$$ doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself. Now he has his own personal puppet Demarco, you might as well call Levy Sheriff because that's pretty much the way it's going down.
Here's a novel idea...rather than all of you hard core senior jacks (on both sides of the Dept.) basing your opinions on how much overtime you get, why don't we try uniting, and getting a contract so we can have a halfway decent lifestyle with out overtime? OT is great for extra cash, or a day off. When you're counting on it to live (and you have to nowadays on Long Island), it's pretty damn pathetic. It's our Unions job to negotiate...it's our job to back them up and make a statement. Stop being a bunch of fags and stand up for yourselves. Either roll with us, or shut up and step aside so we roll past you.
Knock Knock...
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
You think Levy cares about you or your kid? That j$$$ o$$ doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself. Now he has his own personal puppet Demarco, you might as well call Levy Sheriff because that's pretty much the way it's going down.
Here's a novel idea...rather than all of you hard core senior jacks (on both sides of the Dept.) basing your opinions on how much overtime you get, why don't we try uniting, and getting a contract so we can have a halfway decent lifestyle with out overtime? OT is great for extra cash, or a day off. When you're counting on it to live (and you have to nowadays on Long Island), it's pretty damn pathetic. It's our Unions job to negotiate...it's our job to back them up and make a statement. Stop being a bunch of fags and stand up for yourselves. Either roll with us, or shut up and step aside so we roll past you.
Knock Knock...
I want the overtime
SLACKER2
03-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
You think Levy cares about you or your kid? That j$$$ o$$ doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself. Now he has his own personal puppet Demarco, you might as well call Levy Sheriff because that's pretty much the way it's going down.
Here's a novel idea...rather than all of you hard core senior jacks (on both sides of the Dept.) basing your opinions on how much overtime you get, why don't we try uniting, and getting a contract so we can have a halfway decent lifestyle with out overtime? OT is great for extra cash, or a day off. When you're counting on it to live (and you have to nowadays on Long Island), it's pretty damn pathetic. It's our Unions job to negotiate...it's our job to back them up and make a statement. Stop being a bunch of fags and stand up for yourselves. Either roll with us, or shut up and step aside so we roll past you.
Knock Knock...
WITH THE DEPS. FILING A LAWSUIT...AND THE C/O'S STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS...THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE TWO DIVISIONS TO WORK TOGETHER. MAYBE THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIONS FAULTS WE CAN UNITE . INSTEAD OF BEING 250 AGAINST 750...WE CAN BE 1000 STRONG. THE PREVIOUS ADMINS. WERE ALWAYS PITTING DEPS. VS C/O'S THEY GOT THEIRS AND WE ALL LOST...DO THE DEP. AND C/O UNION BOARDS TALK? :D :twisted:
This job is GREAT! I only own one house, a two bedroom ranch, which would probably be paid for if it were not for those low interest rates, but hey, with interest rates so low you just have to refinance. This job has given me the ability to do just that, not once, but several times. And now the bank says that my two bedroom ranch is worth at least 350k, which is really cool, cause I'm very happy that they're so happy to loan me some more money. Maybe now with this 220k home equity loan I'll finally be able to afford to pay off the 4x4, which was costing me a fortune, and maybe I'll no longer have to do those three doubles a week to cover the minimum payment on my credit card. But the rates on the home equity loan are soooo much better than those on my credit cards.
Thanks to the credit cards I have nine TVs and five computers in my house, and last year I had A/C installed, which cost me nine grand, but at least my fat butt don't get sweaty anymore, and maybe now the wife will finally stop yelling at me, and finally let me sit on her couch, while I watch the damn ball game.
With this job I can finally afford my weekly bottle of Grey Goose, and the rest of my fifty five dollar a week liquor bill, which mostly the wife drinks, and that keeps her very happy, which keeps her off those damn anti depressants! And that's cool cause when she's unhappy and not doing anti derpressants she throws those damn TVs at me, and when she is on the anti depressants, well, you know, she won't let me watch any porn or even think about letting me even think about getting frisky.
Yea, life is GREAT! I eat out every Friday night, and after drinks, and signing my name to the bill, I walk outside and smoke one of them big Cuban cigars. Then I waddle back inside and belly up to the bar for the rest of the night. Of course, I generally hang out 'till closing time, and the bartender, well, she knows me so well that she just lets me keep a tab.
On Saturday nights I go to A/C and I make three trips a year to Vegas, now, and they always comp me.
Someday when my paycheck catches up with the banks generosity all of this will be paid for. I just hope I never live long enough to see it cause I really like this civil service lifestyle...
You still drink that french vodka craig??????
Lets use our heads
03-22-2006, 02:19 PM
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
You think Levy cares about you or your kid? That j$$$ o$$ doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself. Now he has his own personal puppet Demarco, you might as well call Levy Sheriff because that's pretty much the way it's going down.
Here's a novel idea...rather than all of you hard core senior jacks (on both sides of the Dept.) basing your opinions on how much overtime you get, why don't we try uniting, and getting a contract so we can have a halfway decent lifestyle with out overtime? OT is great for extra cash, or a day off. When you're counting on it to live (and you have to nowadays on Long Island), it's pretty damn pathetic. It's our Unions job to negotiate...it's our job to back them up and make a statement. Stop being a bunch of fags and stand up for yourselves. Either roll with us, or shut up and step aside so we roll past you.
Knock Knock...
WITH THE DEPS. FILING A LAWSUIT...AND THE C/O'S STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS...THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE TWO DIVISIONS TO WORK TOGETHER. MAYBE THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIONS FAULTS WE CAN UNITE . INSTEAD OF BEING 250 AGAINST 750...WE CAN BE 1000 STRONG. THE PREVIOUS ADMINS. WERE ALWAYS PITTING DEPS. VS C/O'S THEY GOT THEIRS AND WE ALL LOST...DO THE DEP. AND C/O UNION BOARDS TALK? :D :twisted:
Sounds like a smart idea, but the problem is that the Dep board isnt the ones launching a lawsuit, from what I understand its a group of that membership saying their board did them wrong. You can't expect the Dep board to condone a lawsuit over something they signed off on. I completely agree we would be better off unified and THAT is what the 2 boards should discuss so looking towards the future we all dont get the screwing we are getting now. If we , as the rank and file are that shallow that we cant put our petty differences aside to come together for the betterment of us all, then we deserve what we get. Certainly there has got to be a way to work things out between the 2 unions to become one.
They could put together a joint committee to see what jobs who wants and where there is opportunity to share jobs as well as maybe working out a jail/road dep style set up. Start inside and as time goes on bid for road jobs. There are many COs who have a number of years inside who may not want outside posts and many brand news who would enjoy the prospect of a road or other outside unit job in their futures. There has to be many many scenarios that could work for something like that to happen.
Most importantly though, is the need for the strength in unity during contractual negotiations rather than the the divide and conquer that we have fallen prey to(sadly all too often from both the County and Sheriffs past). A step in the right direction is to stop slamming each other and embrace the concept of future possibilities as one organization. One last thing, I have as good a sense of humor as anyone, and I am sure there will be amusing comments on this post too, but just remember as you fan the flames of discord for the sake of a few laughs how your,mine,our futures are slipping away from underneath us. Lets hear some positive stuff for a change and maybe then we can do something right for ourselves.
Yeah I'm real proud of you, you worked 250 doubles last year , and all you have to show for it is 3 homes ?
Get a Life
Exactly..... when do you enjoy it??? I have one home, a truck with 86,000 miles on it . I take care of my things, but I also enjoy them on my days off. Unfortunatley i bought my home 2 1/2 years ago and my mortgage is more than one paycheck (w/o overtime) My wife still has to work , and I have a 4 year old running around.
Mr. Levy.........where the f@#$ is my contract, I would like to take my son to disney land next year ........i just can't afford to now.......
You think Levy cares about you or your kid? That j$$$ o$$ doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself. Now he has his own personal puppet Demarco, you might as well call Levy Sheriff because that's pretty much the way it's going down.
Here's a novel idea...rather than all of you hard core senior jacks (on both sides of the Dept.) basing your opinions on how much overtime you get, why don't we try uniting, and getting a contract so we can have a halfway decent lifestyle with out overtime? OT is great for extra cash, or a day off. When you're counting on it to live (and you have to nowadays on Long Island), it's pretty damn pathetic. It's our Unions job to negotiate...it's our job to back them up and make a statement. Stop being a bunch of fags and stand up for yourselves. Either roll with us, or shut up and step aside so we roll past you.
Knock Knock...
WITH THE DEPS. FILING A LAWSUIT...AND THE C/O'S STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS...THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE TWO DIVISIONS TO WORK TOGETHER. MAYBE THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIONS FAULTS WE CAN UNITE . INSTEAD OF BEING 250 AGAINST 750...WE CAN BE 1000 STRONG. THE PREVIOUS ADMINS. WERE ALWAYS PITTING DEPS. VS C/O'S THEY GOT THEIRS AND WE ALL LOST...DO THE DEP. AND C/O UNION BOARDS TALK? :D :twisted:
Sounds like a smart idea, but the problem is that the Dep board isnt the ones launching a lawsuit, from what I understand its a group of that membership saying their board did them wrong. You can't expect the Dep board to condone a lawsuit over something they signed off on. I completely agree we would be better off unified and THAT is what the 2 boards should discuss so looking towards the future we all dont get the screwing we are getting now. If we , as the rank and file are that shallow that we cant put our petty differences aside to come together for the betterment of us all, then we deserve what we get. Certainly there has got to be a way to work things out between the 2 unions to become one.
They could put together a joint committee to see what jobs who wants and where there is opportunity to share jobs as well as maybe working out a jail/road dep style set up. Start inside and as time goes on bid for road jobs. There are many COs who have a number of years inside who may not want outside posts and many brand news who would enjoy the prospect of a road or other outside unit job in their futures. There has to be many many scenarios that could work for something like that to happen.
Most importantly though, is the need for the strength in unity during contractual negotiations rather than the the divide and conquer that we have fallen prey to(sadly all too often from both the County and Sheriffs past). A step in the right direction is to stop slamming each other and embrace the concept of future possibilities as one organization. One last thing, I have as good a sense of humor as anyone, and I am sure there will be amusing comments on this post too, but just remember as you fan the flames of discord for the sake of a few laughs how your,mine,our futures are slipping away from underneath us. Lets hear some positive stuff for a change and maybe then we can do something right for ourselves.
I'm very positive about the future of my section of the Sheriff's Office. Contract while it was a screw job, isn't the end of the world.
numbers weren't terrible, we'll just have to be careful on the next one. Thats life,always has been that way.
As for joining Unions, been there, done that, WON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN.
What jobs are Deputies longing to have from the other Union, none that I can think of. We all wish you well in your negotiations with the County, hope you get all you want. But Contract Negotiations isn't a selling point for crazy talk of Merging. They are two totally different jobs and always will be. Why don't you try to merge with the Carpenters Union
As for joining Unions, been there, done that, WON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN.
What jobs are Deputies longing to have from the other Union, none that I can think of. We all wish you well in your negotiations with the County, hope you get all you want. But Contract Negotiations isn't a selling point for crazy talk of Merging. They are two totally different jobs and always will be. Why don't you try to merge with the Carpenters Union
i forgot ??? what job do you do again ...ohh yeah evict old ladies out of there houses ...lets go down the list of whos jobs you do ...patrol : scpd ... marine :scpd ... courts: court officers/ correction officers ...transport : corrections ...evictions : well you are way backed up on them so you obviously dont do your own jobs ...gatehouses : everyother county and state has correction officers doin that ...just be thankful officer black pants that noone has relized yet that you are a waste of money for the county .you are a political job doin absolutely nothin except wasting county money .so be on your way ..your dismissed ...without all these other agencies you would be like cornflakes without the milk ...just a squirrel trying to get a nut ...1 last thing ...did i mention that you suck !!!!
Why don't you try to merge with the Carpenters Union
atleast the carpenters do there own obs ...not anyone elses ...they have class ...not like you ossifer black pants
it didn't take long for the embarassing remarks to come spewing out- a member of the dept makes an intellligent post and the mentally retarded feel the need to come out and shine. To the A$$hole who feel compelled to end every moronic post with "did i mention you suck" please feel free to pour yourself a nice, warm cup of shut the F*ck up.
As for the poster who stated the we would me much stronger as a united front-you the hit the nail on the head. Everyone needs to drop the egos and the "you're a jailguard"-"you're not a real cop" mentality and find ways to have mutual goals for our members.
As for joining Unions, been there, done that, WON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN.
What jobs are Deputies longing to have from the other Union, none that I can think of. We all wish you well in your negotiations with the County, hope you get all you want. But Contract Negotiations isn't a selling point for crazy talk of Merging. They are two totally different jobs and always will be. Why don't you try to merge with the Carpenters Union
i forgot ??? what job do you do again ...ohh yeah evict old ladies out of there houses ...lets go down the list of whos jobs you do ...patrol : scpd ... marine :scpd ... courts: court officers/ correction officers ...transport : corrections ...evictions : well you are way backed up on them so you obviously dont do your own jobs ...gatehouses : everyother county and state has correction officers doin that ...just be thankful officer black pants that noone has relized yet that you are a waste of money for the county .you are a political job doin absolutely nothin except wasting county money .so be on your way ..your dismissed ...without all these other agencies you would be like cornflakes without the milk ...just a squirrel trying to get a nut ...1 last thing ...did i mention that you suck !!!!
Boy are you emotional. Keep hoping, maybe someday all your dreams will come true, just not in your life time. Except things the way they are, this is Suffolk County.
Sounds like a smart idea, but the problem is that the Dep board isnt the ones launching a lawsuit, from what I understand its a group of that membership saying their board did them wrong. You can't expect the Dep board to condone a lawsuit over something they signed off on. I completely agree we would be better off unified and THAT is what the 2 boards should discuss so looking towards the future we all dont get the screwing we are getting now. If we , as the rank and file are that shallow that we cant put our petty differences aside to come together for the betterment of us all, then we deserve what we get. Certainly there has got to be a way to work things out between the 2 unions to become one.
They could put together a joint committee to see what jobs who wants and where there is opportunity to share jobs as well as maybe working out a jail/road dep style set up. Start inside and as time goes on bid for road jobs. There are many COs who have a number of years inside who may not want outside posts and many brand news who would enjoy the prospect of a road or other outside unit job in their futures. There has to be many many scenarios that could work for something like that to happen.
Most importantly though, is the need for the strength in unity during contractual negotiations rather than the the divide and conquer that we have fallen prey to(sadly all too often from both the County and Sheriffs past). A step in the right direction is to stop slamming each other and embrace the concept of future possibilities as one organization. One last thing, I have as good a sense of humor as anyone, and I am sure there will be amusing comments on this post too, but just remember as you fan the flames of discord for the sake of a few laughs how your,mine,our futures are slipping away from underneath us. Lets hear some positive stuff for a change and maybe then we can do something right for ourselves.
The person who wrote the above post must be an "insider". Rumors have been going around for the last few weeks about Levy asking the DSPBA to consider a merger with Corrections and Park Police. While I have not been able to read all the correspondence I have seen enough to get the idea of the plan to be proposed.
Major points:
- All three jobs will be combined to form one. The Civil Service Title will be Deputy Sheriff. One major hurdle is that both Deputies and Parks are Police Officers while and Corrections are not. This is a problem in regard to the retirement system. Former Corrections Officers would not be able to join the 20-year retirement with the Deputies and former Parks PO’s.
- Corrections Officers would be have to resign then be rehired as new Deputies after they receive more training. Park Police Officers to be simply merged in. All would be bound to the DSPBA contract.
- Civil Service is balking at giving only one test. If it can be worked out the thought pattern is to give a test for ‘inside’ Deputy Sheriff where person would be hired to work in the jail. A promotional test will be given to become a ‘road’ Deputy. Once promoted the employee will attend the Suffolk Police Academy and will have Police Officer status. The Sheriff wants all supervisors to have Police Officer status regardless if they work inside or on the road. Transportation will be preformed by ‘road’ Deputies. Hospitals and District Court would be considered ‘inside’ work. All Investigators would have PO status also.
As I said I do not know all the facts and most of the real information is being tightly guarded. Levy wants a 8 million dollar baseline cost savings. If that is achievable he will support the merger.
Your thoughts?
The above post is 100% bull. Nothing has been talked about officially and the thoughts above are the posters only.
The above post is 100% bull. Nothing has been talked about officially and the thoughts above are the posters only.
The above is not bull. Just ask around. Go up front and ask the Sheriff if he supports a merger.
Guys like you are the reason a merger is so tough.
the sheriff may support some type of merger but the post is still bull and talks are not going on.
Per nys civil service law,cpl, and suffolk county law, there is no designation as a "road deputy" or "inside deputy." There is only deputy sheriff or correction officer. And as such, that position has to, per nys law, be designated a police officer and per dcjs and nysmtc, recieve that type of training. A bill would have to be passed in NYS legislature creating such a position.
I am no insider as the prior post suggests. What I would like to think I am is someone smart enough to see a benefit to unity and mature enough to put past differences aside for the greater good of all. I have 15 plus in and have seen more than enough of whats gone on in the past to know its not what we need for our futures.
There are many things that would have to pass muster so to speak as far as how to complete the monumental task of a triple union merger . And there are certainly enough people with intelligence to make proposals for consideration. That said, I am willing to look at it with an open mind .
With anti union sentiment boiling over in the cauldron of the County Executive , the only way I see us putting ourselves in a better position to obtain fair contracts is to do it as a united front.
Realizing full well that those who got ahead because of their connections or their wallets will have the biggest problem with being one (since after all for them it was always about JUST THEMSELVES), I still believe there are far greater numbers of men and women who just want to come to work and do their best to make an honest living. It will be those who in the end will have their voices heard where this possibility of merging exists.
screwed999
03-23-2006, 09:49 PM
I really dont think a merger of the unions is necessary, although I wouldnt be against it if I thought it would help. I honestly believe, if our jobs were set in stone( co's do this and deps do that) that we would all benefit. I am truly not trying to stir up crap. The county has played deps against co's forever. Any animosity between the two jobs has come when one union tries to take anothers job. If we banded together, we could truly become a force in contract negotiations(about 1100 employees).
The above post is 100% bull. Nothing has been talked about officially and the thoughts above are the posters only.
The above is not bull. Just ask around. Go up front and ask the Sheriff if he supports a merger.
Guys like you are the reason a merger is so tough.
I did ask the Sheriff, the Consensus was that you are out of your mind. It's just fantasy talk by the same old crowd.
I really dont think a merger of the unions is necessary, although I wouldnt be against it if I thought it would help. I honestly believe, if our jobs were set in stone( co's do this and deps do that) that we would all benefit. I am truly not trying to stir up crap. The county has played deps against co's forever. Any animosity between the two jobs has come when one union tries to take anothers job. If we banded together, we could truly become a force in contract negotiations(about 1100 employees).
Not necessary. Been doing thi sfor a real long time,,and a contract is a contract good and bad, raises aren't terrible, if you think so,go see what they make in private sector. MERGING is all BS, will never happen just 2 morons trying to start the talk.
I really dont think a merger of the unions is necessary, although I wouldnt be against it if I thought it would help. I honestly believe, if our jobs were set in stone( co's do this and deps do that) that we would all benefit. I am truly not trying to stir up crap. The county has played deps against co's forever. Any animosity between the two jobs has come when one union tries to take anothers job. If we banded together, we could truly become a force in contract negotiations(about 1100 employees).
Not necessary. Been doing thi sfor a real long time,,and a contract is a contract good and bad, raises aren't terrible, if you think so,go see what they make in private sector. MERGING is all BS, will never happen just 2 morons trying to start the talk.
It may never happen, but I suppose it is much easier to lash out in contempt when you have no constructive thoughts.
Per nys civil service law,cpl, and suffolk county law, there is no designation as a "road deputy" or "inside deputy." There is only deputy sheriff or correction officer. And as such, that position has to, per nys law, be designated a police officer and per dcjs and nysmtc, recieve that type of training. A bill would have to be passed in NYS legislature creating such a position.
Fella get a clue, If you look upstate you will see that many counties have Deputy Sheriff Jailers, Deputy Sheriff Detention and so on. So no bill would be need.
Why dont u open up a book...CPL does not designate between road deputy or detention deputy. It only has a classification of Deputy Sheriff. Hey i got an idea, if you want to be a Deputy Sheriff, why dont you just take the test!
They may call them a Detention Deputy Sheriff, but they are not a Deputy Sheriff. If they were, they would have police status and have to attend a police academy.
They may call them a Detention Deputy Sheriff, but they are not a Deputy Sheriff. If they were, they would have police status and have to attend a police academy.
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT WITH A MERGER YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TWO CLASSES. ROAD DEPUTIES ON TOP AND INSIDE DEPUTIES ON THE BOTTOM WITH A CHANCE TO BE PROMOTED UP. THAT IS BETTER THEN SITTING IN THIS DAM JAIL FOR 25 YEARS.
Uh-uh, I aint wearin' that collar brass yo, n'mean? Y'all bring yer five biggest an' we gonna have some drama on up in here if ya think I'm gonna put that bling on my neck. Don't make me soap up my house and strap on my state shoes an' try me.
stop perpetratin' an' hatin' C/O's- you heard? Y'all put ya hands on me an' word to my baby momma y'all gonna have the summer off an' be busted up. That's my word.
They may call them a Detention Deputy Sheriff, but they are not a Deputy Sheriff. If they were, they would have police status and have to attend a police academy.
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT WITH A MERGER YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TWO CLASSES. ROAD DEPUTIES ON TOP AND INSIDE DEPUTIES ON THE BOTTOM WITH A CHANCE TO BE PROMOTED UP. THAT IS BETTER THEN SITTING IN THIS DAM JAIL FOR 25 YEARS.
Seems it only benefits you, no benefit for the Deputy, take the test
The main reason behind bringing up the whole idea of merging had absolutely nothing to do with what jobs who was going to be doing . The idea was all about how to put ourselves in a better position for contractual issues, MONEY and BENEFITS.
Unlness you are a Deputy with your head in the sand you know you just got railroaded by your former union President (much to his personal gain....not to mention his Under....and your NEW union President who all fared very nicely from your new agreement)
Taking that into consideration the subject matter was clearly intended to give ALL employees of the Sheriffs Office a singular focus for strength during contract talks as well as a better footing for overall labor issues with the administation too.
Please try to understand, you as a Deputy or me as a CO is clearly irrelevant.In the big picture we just arent that important, and to hold onto our precious egos for the sake of a blog war is juvenile at best. Sorry if trying to think outside the box offended your sense of pride..... huh.... pride.....what a foolish thing....you can keep your quads, bikes,boats and whatever else you can come up with, I will gladly stay in the job where I took the test for , I would just like a fair contract with cost of living increases and protection for my benefits.
They may call them a Detention Deputy Sheriff, but they are not a Deputy Sheriff. If they were, they would have police status and have to attend a police academy.
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT WITH A MERGER YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TWO CLASSES. ROAD DEPUTIES ON TOP AND INSIDE DEPUTIES ON THE BOTTOM WITH A CHANCE TO BE PROMOTED UP. THAT IS BETTER THEN SITTING IN THIS DAM JAIL FOR 25 YEARS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE SITTING IN THE JAIL FOR 25 YEARS YOU HAVE OPTIONS........................................... .................................................. ..QUIT!!!!!! ALL OF YOU MISRIBLE PR I CKS QUIT........I'M PROUD OF WHAT I DO, YES I'M PISSED THAT I DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, BUT STOP BRINING EVERYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY LIKE THE JOB DOWN.......QUIT, GO BACK TO SHINNING SHOES.........FIXING CARS BOATS AND AIRPLANES, LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER.............
PLUS IF YOU QUIT THAT MEANS I GET MORE SENORITY, I GET A SHOT AT WORKING IN THE PODS, AND I GET FIRST CRACK AT OVERTIME...................................BYE BYE
The main reason behind bringing up the whole idea of merging had absolutely nothing to do with what jobs who was going to be doing . The idea was all about how to put ourselves in a better position for contractual issues, MONEY and BENEFITS.
Unlness you are a Deputy with your head in the sand you know you just got railroaded by your former union President (much to his personal gain....not to mention his Under....and your NEW union President who all fared very nicely from your new agreement)
Taking that into consideration the subject matter was clearly intended to give ALL employees of the Sheriffs Office a singular focus for strength during contract talks as well as a better footing for overall labor issues with the administation too.
Please try to understand, you as a Deputy or me as a CO is clearly irrelevant.In the big picture we just arent that important, and to hold onto our precious egos for the sake of a blog war is juvenile at best. Sorry if trying to think outside the box offended your sense of pride..... huh.... pride.....what a foolish thing....you can keep your quads, bikes,boats and whatever else you can come up with, I will gladly stay in the job where I took the test for , I would just like a fair contract with cost of living increases and protection for my benefits.
So let me get this straight a merger makes sense because:
- C/O's get call themselfs Deputy Sheriffs
- C/O's now need Deputies to get a contract.
- C/O's need Deputies to get a 20 year retirement.
- The Sheriff did not railroad any Deputy. As a matter of fact he is currently fixing all the nasty little things that Tisch did such as putting Deputies back in District Court and sending all the C/O's back to the jail.
- The C/O union worked very hard to block the 20 year retirement for Deputies.
- The C/O union tried to abolish Deputy Sheriff's by going to a DOC.
- C/O's sided with Tisch to take jobs and try to harm Deputies.
And now you want to merge with us? Sheriff DeMarco if you are reading this please call IAB and have them conduct drug testing forthwith in the jail.
mental health
03-24-2006, 10:47 AM
the above post is the reason i laugh when aholes talk about donating money to the tool bag deps for their lawsuit. they got what they deserved for backing that little sell out smurf sheriff. i know we are going to get boned as well, but ya know i dont see anyone resigning from either side of the dept.
the above post is the reason i laugh when aholes talk about donating money to the tool bag deps for their lawsuit. they got what they deserved for backing that little sell out smurf sheriff. i know we are going to get boned as well, but ya know i dont see anyone resigning from either side of the dept.
What lawsuit? I am a Deputy and I don't know of any lawsuit. About 10 anti-union idiots did meet with a lawyer. They have no support and no lawsuit. Matter of fact what I heard was that Vito put them up to it because the Deputy award bashed any hopes of C/Os getting the me too clause and puts them lower them Deputies.
The main reason behind bringing up the whole idea of merging had absolutely nothing to do with what jobs who was going to be doing . The idea was all about how to put ourselves in a better position for contractual issues, MONEY and BENEFITS.
Unlness you are a Deputy with your head in the sand you know you just got railroaded by your former union President (much to his personal gain....not to mention his Under....and your NEW union President who all fared very nicely from your new agreement)
Taking that into consideration the subject matter was clearly intended to give ALL employees of the Sheriffs Office a singular focus for strength during contract talks as well as a better footing for overall labor issues with the administation too.
Please try to understand, you as a Deputy or me as a CO is clearly irrelevant.In the big picture we just arent that important, and to hold onto our precious egos for the sake of a blog war is juvenile at best. Sorry if trying to think outside the box offended your sense of pride..... huh.... pride.....what a foolish thing....you can keep your quads, bikes,boats and whatever else you can come up with, I will gladly stay in the job where I took the test for , I would just like a fair contract with cost of living increases and protection for my benefits.
So let me get this straight a merger makes sense because:
- C/O's get call themselfs Deputy Sheriffs
- C/O's now need Deputies to get a contract.
- C/O's need Deputies to get a 20 year retirement.
- The Sheriff did not railroad any Deputy. As a matter of fact he is currently fixing all the nasty little things that Tisch did such as putting Deputies back in District Court and sending all the C/O's back to the jail.
- The C/O union worked very hard to block the 20 year retirement for Deputies.
- The C/O union tried to abolish Deputy Sheriff's by going to a DOC.
- C/O's sided with Tisch to take jobs and try to harm Deputies.
And now you want to merge with us? Sheriff DeMarco if you are reading this please call IAB and have them conduct drug testing forthwith in the jail.
Youre either uninformed or ignorant,
1) Perhaps some COs really would like to be called Deps, I myself do not care what they call me as long as my pay and benefits are fair.
2)COs certainly do not NEED the Deps to get a contract, we really dont want what you guys just got and if you were around for any length of time you know that over the past 20 years COs have ALWAYS gone first, WE always settled before you, YOUR UNION never settled before ours until this last sleight of hand our Sheriff pulled on his former membership....its about using stength in numbers and a unified voice so "we don't get fooled again"
3) We dont NEED Deps to get a 20, if a merger were to take place those COs who did not attend the Police Academy wouldnt be entitled to it, thats pretty obvious, yet we do hope to somehow shorten what our commitment is in the working environs of the jails.
4) The Sheriff DID railroad you, open your eyes and see it for the truth . If it werent so then why are some COs helping pitch in money for a large group of Deps who are launching a legal challenge to your contract?
5)The CO union did not try blocking the Dep 20, which BTW without the statewide Sheriffs Association pushing hard in Albany was the only reason you got it, it was by no hard work of your union, with the exception of making sure you attached Suffolk to the statewide bill that passed. The CO union merely tried to have themselves attached to the same bill but were excluded.
6) The CO union did not want to abolish the Deps by becoming a DOC.....we just wanted to have autonomy from the Sheriff since for 20 yrs now COs have always been treated to the short end of the stick whenever there was an issue....there would still be a need for Deps to do what they were trained to do which was police work, you remember that dont you, after all thats what you guys are. A DOC would not infringe upon ANY police work, that wouldve been your jobs as police work is now. Unfortunately your definition of police work and mine (and every SCPD guy I have spoken to about it) is a far cry different from each others.
7) COs sided with Tisch because we , or at least alot of us thought he would show some fairness to us. Once the current Sheriff, YOUR former union leader decided he was gonna take a run at Tisch , he (Tisch) decided to exact some revenge on him and you guys paid for it. WE didnt ask Vinnie to run, HIS personal choice put YOU between a rock and a hard place, NOT US........BTW......where were all you guys when Mahoney and Morris took OUR jobs???
I can tell you this just in case you werent on the job yet ....YOUR union sent lawyers to aid the Sheriff in taking 18 positions from COs in District Court.....so please spare the job stealing nonsense......thats trivial at this point.
As stated all along, its about strength through unity....get past the sarcasm towards one another, the trivial, the juvenile. You can try to reason who seems to make out better in the deal if you want, but clearly that brand of shallow jealousy and pettiness is a major stumbling block between what we all have, and what me might stand to gain collectively.....its all about MONEY & BENEFITS .
Fact Check
03-24-2006, 02:45 PM
1) Perhaps some COs really would like to be called Deps, I myself do not care what they call me as long as my pay and benefits are fair.
Not some, the vast majority wants to be called Deputies. That is why you call yourself Sheriffs and cry when you have to wear a patch that says Correction Officer.
2)COs certainly do not NEED the Deps to get a contract, we really dont want what you guys just got and if you were around for any length of time you know that over the past 20 years COs have ALWAYS gone first, WE always settled before you, YOUR UNION never settled before ours until this last sleight of hand our Sheriff pulled on his former membership....its about using stength in numbers and a unified voice so "we don't get fooled again"
It is a good thing you don’t want what the Deputies got because you have no chance on getting even close. Ask Vito what it says in the Deputies new contract about C/O’s and his vaunted me too clause.
3) We dont NEED Deps to get a 20, if a merger were to take place those COs who did not attend the Police Academy wouldnt be entitled to it, thats pretty obvious, yet we do hope to somehow shorten what our commitment is in the working environs of the jails.
Wrong. If you look up in Syracuse you will see that the Deputy Jailer do not get a 20 retirement even though they attend a police academy. When they leave the jail they are able to entire the 20 retirement with jail time on the back.
4) The Sheriff DID railroad you, open your eyes and see it for the truth . If it werent so then why are some COs helping pitch in money for a large group of Deps who are launching a legal challenge to your contract?
Any C/O who is giving money should call the DA because he has been defrauded. Less then a dozen or so members looked into a lawsuit. They dropped the idea when the found they had no standing. By the way, your union was involved because Vito’s me too clause backfired.
5)The CO union did not try blocking the Dep 20, which BTW without the statewide Sheriffs Association pushing hard in Albany was the only reason you got it, it was by no hard work of your union, with the exception of making sure you attached Suffolk to the statewide bill that passed. The CO union merely tried to have themselves attached to the same bill but were excluded.
You do not have a clue. First off the Sheriff Association had nothing to do with the 20 year bill. It was State Deputy Sheriffs Association. George Lessler spent over a dozen years going to Albany for the 20 year retirement. C/O’s could not try to get in on the bill because it was for police officers only. No attachment was need for Suffolk as it was a statewide bill. Bill Maggi lobbied Fred Towle, Haley and Don Blydenburgh not to vote for the 20 year bill stating it was not fair for only Deputies to get it and that it would hurt his efforts to get the same.
6) The CO union did not want to abolish the Deps by becoming a DOC.....we just wanted to have autonomy from the Sheriff since for 20 yrs now COs have always been treated to the short end of the stick whenever there was an issue....there would still be a need for Deps to do what they were trained to do which was police work, you remember that dont you, after all thats what you guys are. A DOC would not infringe upon ANY police work, that wouldve been your jobs as police work is now. Unfortunately your definition of police work and mine (and every SCPD guy I have spoken to about it) is a far cry different from each others.
The C/O union certainly did try to abolish Deputy positions. If you go read the transcripts you will see that Alan Snyder was even called in and advised that any Deputy laid off would have to hired by SCPD before the County could hire another new cop. You just don’t get that Deputies do perform the jobs we are trained for. Part of a Deputies job is to transport inmates and run the detention facilities for the courts. That is our job and will never be yours.
7) COs sided with Tisch because we , or at least alot of us thought he would show some fairness to us. Once the current Sheriff, YOUR former union leader decided he was gonna take a run at Tisch , he (Tisch) decided to exact some revenge on him and you guys paid for it. WE didnt ask Vinnie to run, HIS personal choice put YOU between a rock and a hard place, NOT US........BTW......where were all you guys when Mahoney and Morris took OUR jobs???
I can tell you this just in case you werent on the job yet ....YOUR union sent lawyers to aid the Sheriff in taking 18 positions from COs in District Court.....so please spare the job stealing nonsense......thats trivial at this point.
Wow the above is great spin. If you knew anything about Deputies you would know that DeMarco had very little support till Tisch took District Court. DeMarco is not to blame for Tisch trying to get support of C/O’s by attacking Deputies. Tisch tried to harm employees to get re-elected. I was on the job in December of 1992 when the new District Court was opened and manned soley with Deputy Sheriffs. No C/O can say he lost his job in CI because they never worked there. You are correct that the DSBA joined in the suit, it was part of longstanding IP that C/O’s should have never been in District Court.
As stated all along, its about strength through unity....get past the sarcasm towards one another, the trivial, the juvenile. You can try to reason who seems to make out better in the deal if you want, but clearly that brand of shallow jealousy and pettiness is a major stumbling block between what we all have, and what me might stand to gain collectively.....its all about MONEY & BENEFITS .
You want to get along? Start by getting rid of Vito and his anti-Deputy board. Have a section added to your contract that says you will not seek, take or perform any job now performed by a Deputy Sheriff. Those good faith measures will go a long way to getting Deputies to support a merger.
^^^^^^the above guy is another troll dick. Yeah, we have some buffs- every agency does- but don't be so pompous as to think for minute most of us have any problem with the patches- you're such a dick.
We know our role- too bad some of you guys don't.
Those C/O's that paid money are seeing some dividends- but then again that's not an issue because that has always been the practice. Money well spent, I guess.
We don't care about your job. Why are some of you such paranoid little trolls?
You and your buddies second-class citizen humor means nothing behind your anonymity.
"No C/O can say he lost his job in CI because they never worked there. You are correct that the DSBA joined in the suit, it was part of longstanding IP that C/O’s should have never been in District Court. "
You are right on that point, BUT, CO's and Deps worked together in District Court at the Dennison building(before the Deps got their 20 yr retirement for being Police and they were working until age 62 back then), so it is a matter of semantics you have chosen to qualify theft of jobs....
and since the District Court issue is a hot topic , and since District Court is about care and custody of those remanded to the Sheriff, maybe you can explain why someone needs police status for that type of work? Heres a hint for you, its Corrections work, it can be done with Correction Officers who are peace officers not Police Officers as the Deputies are (and who never miss a chance to explain that they are Police to anyone who will listen)
I certainly dont begrudge police their 20 yr retirement, but you are supposed to be doing police work to be entitled to that monumental benefit , not jobs that a peace officer is qualified to do.....we know what our jobs are, now you need to go out and do some police work and earn that 20 year retirement...and why not
Another Guard heard from
03-25-2006, 01:48 AM
You Said;
[size=7]"No C/O can say he lost his job in CI because they never worked there. You are correct that the DSBA joined in the suit, it was part of longstanding IP that C/O’s should have never been in District Court. "
You are right on that point, BUT, CO's and Deps worked together in District Court at the Dennison building(before the Deps got their 20 yr retirement for being Police and they were working until age 62 back then), so it is a matter of semantics you have chosen to qualify theft of jobs....
and since the District Court issue is a hot topic , and since District Court is about care and custody of those remanded to the Sheriff, maybe you can explain why someone needs police status for that type of work? Heres a hint for you, its Corrections work, it can be done with Correction Officers who are peace officers not Police Officers as the Deputies are (and who never miss a chance to explain that they are Police to anyone who will listen)
I certainly dont begrudge police their 20 yr retirement, but you are supposed to be doing police work to be entitled to that monumental benefit , not jobs that a peace officer is qualified to do.....we know what our jobs are, now you need to go out and do some police work and earn that 20 year retirement...and why not
First off since when does anything have to make sense in this County? You ask why Deputies are at 1DC - because we are. You ask why we are entitled to the "monumental" 20 year retirement - because we bargained for it in our contract, (gave up some goodies), got home rule, and succesfully lobbied NY State to give us that retirement. Don't be mad at us because you have inept union reps and cant get the same deal we got. Finally - over 87 % of our guys did VTL, penal Law, Civil Law, Family Court or other enforcement duties regularly associated with Police Officer status last year. That is actually higher than the percentage of Suffolk Cops assigned to direct Police Officer duties. Why? Because a large percentage of their job works at a desk somewhere, or impounds, or their fleet services, property section, etc. etc. they have become so specialized that many of their functions are not actual Police Officer functions but anciliary functions instead.
So dry your eyes, take my test and you can have a job right here next to me. Until then go back to your dorm or your cell block and lock in baby !
guest090
03-25-2006, 09:30 AM
1) Perhaps some COs really would like to be called Deps, I myself do not care what they call me as long as my pay and benefits are fair.
"Not some, the vast majority wants to be called Deputies. That is why you call yourself Sheriffs and cry when you have to wear a patch that says Correction Officer. "
It's amazing that anyone thinks C/O"s call themselves Sheriff's. I've been a C/O for 20 years and I have never heard any C/O call themselves Sheriff , as a matter fact I've never even heard a deputy call themselves sheriff.
1) Perhaps some COs really would like to be called Deps, I myself do not care what they call me as long as my pay and benefits are fair.
"Not some, the vast majority wants to be called Deputies. That is why you call yourself Sheriffs and cry when you have to wear a patch that says Correction Officer. "
It's amazing that anyone thinks C/O"s call themselves Sheriff's. I've been a C/O for 20 years and I have never heard any C/O call themselves Sheriff , as a matter fact I've never even heard a deputy call themselves sheriff.
Well I'm a tier hack..............wheres my O.T.???????
I heard it from a guy, who knows another guy, who heard it from someone else, whos mailman heard it it from a guy, who heard it from his sons dogs vet, that over-heard a guy saying that he has it on good faith that the Sheriff is going to implement a 2080 hour work schedule. If you can stay awake for the whole tour you can have the rest of the year off. It's a fact, they heard it.
1) Perhaps some COs really would like to be called Deps, I myself do not care what they call me as long as my pay and benefits are fair.
Not some, the vast majority wants to be called Deputies. That is why you call yourself Sheriffs and cry when you have to wear a patch that says Correction Officer.
2)COs certainly do not NEED the Deps to get a contract, we really dont want what you guys just got and if you were around for any length of time you know that over the past 20 years COs have ALWAYS gone first, WE always settled before you, YOUR UNION never settled before ours until this last sleight of hand our Sheriff pulled on his former membership....its about using stength in numbers and a unified voice so "we don't get fooled again"
It is a good thing you don’t want what the Deputies got because you have no chance on getting even close. Ask Vito what it says in the Deputies new contract about C/O’s and his vaunted me too clause.
3) We dont NEED Deps to get a 20, if a merger were to take place those COs who did not attend the Police Academy wouldnt be entitled to it, thats pretty obvious, yet we do hope to somehow shorten what our commitment is in the working environs of the jails.
Wrong. If you look up in Syracuse you will see that the Deputy Jailer do not get a 20 retirement even though they attend a police academy. When they leave the jail they are able to entire the 20 retirement with jail time on the back.
4) The Sheriff DID railroad you, open your eyes and see it for the truth . If it werent so then why are some COs helping pitch in money for a large group of Deps who are launching a legal challenge to your contract?
Any C/O who is giving money should call the DA because he has been defrauded. Less then a dozen or so members looked into a lawsuit. They dropped the idea when the found they had no standing. By the way, your union was involved because Vito’s me too clause backfired.
5)The CO union did not try blocking the Dep 20, which BTW without the statewide Sheriffs Association pushing hard in Albany was the only reason you got it, it was by no hard work of your union, with the exception of making sure you attached Suffolk to the statewide bill that passed. The CO union merely tried to have themselves attached to the same bill but were excluded.
You do not have a clue. First off the Sheriff Association had nothing to do with the 20 year bill. It was State Deputy Sheriffs Association. George Lessler spent over a dozen years going to Albany for the 20 year retirement. C/O’s could not try to get in on the bill because it was for police officers only. No attachment was need for Suffolk as it was a statewide bill. Bill Maggi lobbied Fred Towle, /////// Haley and Don Blydenburgh not to vote for the 20 year bill stating it was not fair for only Deputies to get it and that it would hurt his efforts to get the same.
6) The CO union did not want to abolish the Deps by becoming a DOC.....we just wanted to have autonomy from the Sheriff since for 20 yrs now COs have always been treated to the short end of the stick whenever there was an issue....there would still be a need for Deps to do what they were trained to do which was police work, you remember that dont you, after all thats what you guys are. A DOC would not infringe upon ANY police work, that wouldve been your jobs as police work is now. Unfortunately your definition of police work and mine (and every SCPD guy I have spoken to about it) is a far cry different from each others.
The C/O union certainly did try to abolish Deputy positions. If you go read the transcripts you will see that Alan Snyder was even called in and advised that any Deputy laid off would have to hired by SCPD before the County could hire another new cop. You just don’t get that Deputies do perform the jobs we are trained for. Part of a Deputies job is to transport inmates and run the detention facilities for the courts. That is our job and will never be yours.
7) COs sided with Tisch because we , or at least alot of us thought he would show some fairness to us. Once the current Sheriff, YOUR former union leader decided he was gonna take a run at Tisch , he (Tisch) decided to exact some revenge on him and you guys paid for it. WE didnt ask Vinnie to run, HIS personal choice put YOU between a rock and a hard place, NOT US........BTW......where were all you guys when Mahoney and Morris took OUR jobs???
I can tell you this just in case you werent on the job yet ....YOUR union sent lawyers to aid the Sheriff in taking 18 positions from COs in District Court.....so please spare the job stealing nonsense......thats trivial at this point.
Wow the above is great spin. If you knew anything about Deputies you would know that DeMarco had very little support till Tisch took District Court. DeMarco is not to blame for Tisch trying to get support of C/O’s by attacking Deputies. Tisch tried to harm employees to get re-elected. I was on the job in December of 1992 when the new District Court was opened and manned soley with Deputy Sheriffs. No C/O can say he lost his job in CI because they never worked there. You are correct that the DSBA joined in the suit, it was part of longstanding IP that C/O’s should have never been in District Court.
You want to get along? Start by getting rid of Vito and his anti-Deputy board. Have a section added to your contract that says you will not seek, take or perform any job now performed by a Deputy Sheriff. Those good faith measures will go a long way to getting Deputies to support a merger.
That is thte best idea I have heard yet. C/Os keep saying they want to get along, they don't want Deputy jobs, they don't call themselfs Sheriffs, we are better united. Well put your money where your mouth is, get rid of your union bored add that section. You do that and we will be working together the next day.
You want to get along? Start by getting rid of Vito and his anti-Deputy board. Have a section added to your contract that says you will not seek, take or perform any job now performed by a Deputy Sheriff. Those good faith measures will go a long way to getting Deputies to support a merger.
That is thte best idea I have heard yet. C/Os keep saying they want to get along, they don't want Deputy jobs, they don't call themselfs Sheriffs, we are better united. Well put your money where your mouth is, get rid of your union bored add that section. You do that and we will be working together the next day.
Hooked on Phonics is on sale at Costco.
Go buy it stupid.
You know you have beaten the C/O's on the issues when all they can do is reply with lame childish replies.
You know you have beaten the C/O's on the issues when all they can do is reply with lame childish replies. I am not a dep or a CO, but it seems to me reading the above threads that the deps will happily hold hands with the CO's if the CO's roll over and play dead... thats not much of an olive branch, is it?
Play dead? C/O's want a merger. If they want a merger they should take the first steps. What is the big deal about getting rid of an anti-Deputy union board and adding a section to there contract saying that they will not seek to steal any more jobs? A merger has a lot more benefits for C/O's then Deputies which leads that C/O's need to make the first moves.
Play dead? C/O's want a merger. If they want a merger they should take the first steps. What is the big deal about getting rid of an anti-Deputy union board and adding a section to there contract saying that they will not seek to steal any more jobs? A merger has a lot more benefits for C/O's then Deputies which leads that C/O's need to make the first moves.
By even talking about it we are making the first move!!!We are talking about contract negotiations not merging the two job titles so it doen not benefit one more than the other.........There are stregnth in numbers.....we cant let the county or the Sheriff pit the two sides against each other any longer.This is exactly what they want ........divide and conquer.......
You know you have beaten the C/O's on the issues when all they can do is reply with lame childish replies.
I could care less about your issues. What I find amusing are you so-called professionals exposing yourselves for the near-iliterate morons that you are. It's laughable...
Beat on the issues? Most of you guys can barely express a point or form a sentence, I don't know how you can function before a Grand Jury. You couldn't even get a conviction on a bologna sandwich assault against a lifelong skid.
Spare us your elitist ways young Luke. Pick up a book, do some crosswords, and stop trolling...
I Will Go Along
03-27-2006, 12:32 PM
I've got no problem stating that I do not want any Deputy jobs. However, I do want Corrections jobs - you know - all the one's you characters do that involve INMATES.
So there, now, I don't want any jobs where I pull people over on the street, throw old ladies out of their homes, look for people that have warrants, ride on your boat, ride on your quads, fly around in your helecopter (when you manage to get one), work at the airport, be on the DEA task force, the East End Task Force, pass out Orders of Protection, or whatever you guys can find to do that is LAW ENFORCEMENT. Maybe you guys can get the county parks, that sounds promising.
Just give us the INMATES. That certainly sounds fair. Any takers?
I didn't think so.
The County Exec who has decimated AME and the Deps in contract negotiations is now blasting Vito in the Suffolk Life.....that he isnt representing his hard working members yada yada(basically giving us a "reach around")....while all the while trying to ram the AME contract down the COs throats and Vito is sticking to his guns that that just isnt acceptable....
The idea of strength in numbers and unity so we dont get screwed in the future comes up and now you have some Deps on here spewing the same stuff as Steve Levy, that we should dump Vito blah blah blah...
Then you have the checkwriters from the past administraion who wrote checks to the new administration who all got tightened up with cushy jobs who also want to get rid of Vito....
So lets review...Vito is pissing off Levy because he doesnt want to roll over and take a screwing for his union by the county---- Vito is pissing off the Deps because some people on here are talking of how we can use some common sense about uniting(and honestly I dont really think it was Vito whjo posted any of it but....) and making things better for everyone for future contracts ---- and lastly, Vito has infuriated the checkwriter who hate him because he was trying to do his job to promote the issues of ALL COs not just those out for themselves......
Hmmmm, a conspiracy???
SLACKER2
03-27-2006, 06:43 PM
Play dead? C/O's want a merger. If they want a merger they should take the first steps. What is the big deal about getting rid of an anti-Deputy union board and adding a section to there contract saying that they will not seek to steal any more jobs? A merger has a lot more benefits for C/O's then Deputies which leads that C/O's need to make the first moves.
WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A MERGER?????? ALL WE ARE SAYING IS THE TWO DIVISIONS SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AGAINST AN ADMINISTRATION THE CLEARLY WANTS TO PHUCK EVERY UNION IN THE COUNTY!!! YOU HAVE TO JUMP OFF THAT PEDESTAL DEMARCO GAVE YOU...AS YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR LAST MEETING HE'S NOT YOUR FRIEND!!! AND I'M KINDA GUESSIN YOUR NEW UNION PRES. ISN'T EITHER :oops:
smarterguest
03-27-2006, 07:49 PM
"I could care less about your issues. What I find amusing are you so-called professionals exposing yourselves for the near-iliterate morons that you are. It's laughable... "
If you're going to call anyone ILLITERATE, learn how to spell and at the very least be somewhat literate your self.
If you could care less means you care alot, obviously if you didn't care at all it would be I COULDN'T care less.
"I could care less about your issues. What I find amusing are you so-called professionals exposing yourselves for the near-iliterate morons that you are. It's laughable... "
If you're going to call anyone ILLITERATE, learn how to spell and at the very least be somewhat literate your self.
If you could care less means you care alot, obviously if you didn't care at all it would be I COULDN'T care less.
go away deputy droopy pants ...you suck !!!
I've got no problem stating that I do not want any Deputy jobs. However, I do want Corrections jobs - you know - all the one's you characters do that involve INMATES.
So there, now, I don't want any jobs where I pull people over on the street, throw old ladies out of their homes, look for people that have warrants, ride on your boat, ride on your quads, fly around in your helecopter (when you manage to get one), work at the airport, be on the DEA task force, the East End Task Force, pass out Orders of Protection, or whatever you guys can find to do that is LAW ENFORCEMENT. Maybe you guys can get the county parks, that sounds promising.
Just give us the INMATES. That certainly sounds fair. Any takers?
I didn't think so.
NEVER WILL I GIVE UP MY INMATES, THEY ARE PUTTING MY CHILDREN THROUGH COLLEGE.
The County Exec who has decimated AME and the Deps in contract negotiations is now blasting Vito in the Suffolk Life.....that he isnt representing his hard working members yada yada(basically giving us a "reach around")....while all the while trying to ram the AME contract down the COs throats and Vito is sticking to his guns that that just isnt acceptable....
The idea of strength in numbers and unity so we dont get screwed in the future comes up and now you have some Deps on here spewing the same stuff as Steve Levy, that we should dump Vito blah blah blah...
Then you have the checkwriters from the past administraion who wrote checks to the new administration who all got tightened up with cushy jobs who also want to get rid of Vito....
So lets review...Vito is pissing off Levy because he doesnt want to roll over and take a screwing for his union by the county---- Vito is pissing off the Deps because some people on here are talking of how we can use some common sense about uniting(and honestly I dont really think it was Vito whjo posted any of it but....) and making things better for everyone for future contracts ---- and lastly, Vito has infuriated the checkwriter who hate him because he was trying to do his job to promote the issues of ALL COs not just those out for themselves......
Hmmmm, a conspiracy???
Oh God please don't get rid of Vito. He makes everyone else look great.
He's the lazy s.o.b. who gave us the "me too clause" so he wouldn't have to work to hard on negotiations. How much did that get us again, ZIPPO but it did make some of us happy for a few years and kept us quite. Then they tell us all to back the wrong horse again in the Election, once again we have to deal to patch up bridges he burned. But by all means lets keep him! Hell I'll vote for him every time, because there aren't that many better choices running. Thi sjob will be same way when most of us leave as when we came on, thanks to the likes of THE ABOVE MENTIONED
The County Exec who has decimated AME and the Deps in contract negotiations is now blasting Vito in the Suffolk Life.....that he isnt representing his hard working members yada yada(basically giving us a "reach around")....while all the while trying to ram the AME contract down the COs throats and Vito is sticking to his guns that that just isnt acceptable....
The idea of strength in numbers and unity so we dont get screwed in the future comes up and now you have some Deps on here spewing the same stuff as Steve Levy, that we should dump Vito blah blah blah...
Then you have the checkwriters from the past administraion who wrote checks to the new administration who all got tightened up with cushy jobs who also want to get rid of Vito....
So lets review...Vito is pissing off Levy because he doesnt want to roll over and take a screwing for his union by the county---- Vito is pissing off the Deps because some people on here are talking of how we can use some common sense about uniting(and honestly I dont really think it was Vito whjo posted any of it but....) and making things better for everyone for future contracts ---- and lastly, Vito has infuriated the checkwriter who hate him because he was trying to do his job to promote the issues of ALL COs not just those out for themselves......
Hmmmm, a conspiracy???
Oh God please don't get rid of Vito. He makes everyone else look great.
He's the lazy s.o.b. who gave us the "me too clause" so he wouldn't have to work to hard on negotiations. How much did that get us again, ZIPPO but it did make some of us happy for a few years and kept us quite. Then they tell us all to back the wrong horse again in the Election, once again we have to deal to patch up bridges he burned. But by all means lets keep him! Hell I'll vote for him every time, because there aren't that many better choices running. Thi sjob will be same way when most of us leave as when we came on, thanks to the likes of THE ABOVE MENTIONED
Excellent post my sour checkwriter !!! What happened, your total in the money column wasnt enough to get you that cushy job?
BTW, it wasnt Vito with the me too you marvelous malcontent, it was Maggi. So continue spewing (gee, you'd think if you put your spewer to good use on a porno set you could get those fringe bennies youve been looking for), Maybe a few more checks, maybe you can get yourself to college for a course on Reasoning then you can tell your children what a stand up person you are without it hurting as much....me, i'll go with the dont pay, let my union work for me mode. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt , especially since it angers Levy, the Deps, and all you sullen checkwriters.
The County Exec who has decimated AME and the Deps in contract negotiations is now blasting Vito in the Suffolk Life.....that he isnt representing his hard working members yada yada(basically giving us a "reach around")....while all the while trying to ram the AME contract down the COs throats and Vito is sticking to his guns that that just isnt acceptable....
The idea of strength in numbers and unity so we dont get screwed in the future comes up and now you have some Deps on here spewing the same stuff as Steve Levy, that we should dump Vito blah blah blah...
Then you have the checkwriters from the past administraion who wrote checks to the new administration who all got tightened up with cushy jobs who also want to get rid of Vito....
So lets review...Vito is pissing off Levy because he doesnt want to roll over and take a screwing for his union by the county---- Vito is pissing off the Deps because some people on here are talking of how we can use some common sense about uniting(and honestly I dont really think it was Vito whjo posted any of it but....) and making things better for everyone for future contracts ---- and lastly, Vito has infuriated the checkwriter who hate him because he was trying to do his job to promote the issues of ALL COs not just those out for themselves......
Hmmmm, a conspiracy???
Oh God please don't get rid of Vito. He makes everyone else look great.
He's the lazy s.o.b. who gave us the "me too clause" so he wouldn't have to work to hard on negotiations. How much did that get us again, ZIPPO but it did make some of us happy for a few years and kept us quite. Then they tell us all to back the wrong horse again in the Election, once again we have to deal to patch up bridges he burned. But by all means lets keep him! Hell I'll vote for him every time, because there aren't that many better choices running. Thi sjob will be same way when most of us leave as when we came on, thanks to the likes of THE ABOVE MENTIONED
What is stopping you from running the union then....it sounds like you have all the answers.
I HAVE THE ANSWER. we are all fcked and too fcking stupid to do anything about it...........two divisions of deer in the headlights......................BANG, were all dead............................
I HAVE THE ANSWER. we are all fcked and too fcking stupid to do anything about it...........two divisions of deer in the headlights......................BANG, were all dead............................
Yup, 2 divisions who have pretty good jobs(that can always be better), and we just complain complain complain.
I thank God everyday for the job I have and the security that comes built into it. Sure you always strive for more, better pay and what have you, but at the end of the day its a pretty good job nonetheless. I think the overwhelming sentiment that all these posts have in common though is the need to feel validated by being treated fairly where contracts are concerned. It is a complete shame how Levy treated the Deps, and well AME for that matter. Myself as many COs think is that if we are held to a standard similar to the SCPD (drug testing, moral terpitude issues, responsibility to respond to criminal activity during off hours), then our contracts should be more similar to the SCPD contracts also (Deps too---would that be a THEM TOO ....lol). Our contracts should not be closer to a civilian contract (AME--like Levy wants to ram down Vito and the rest of our throats) if we are being paralleled to the PD for all of the aforementioned issues. Now if Steve Levy has any of his minions checking these message boards, maybe he can take a good look at the commonality we all share here and think a little harder on how to treat his county workforce.
With one hand he reaches into the pockets of trade unions for campaign money and with the other he wields a hammer to beat down the civil servants.....Hey Steve, thats no way to treat people who do the hardest jobs as you have professed in your media opportunities. The County coffers are brimming with money from the last 2 years of gas and oil tariffs ALONE. Your simple minded attempt to cry that we are staring down the barrel of a deficit is an insult to every thinking person in Suffolk County, and in case you didnt know it, we are taxpayers too!
The lions share of us dont live with our mothers who then claim us each year either !!!!!!!
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
The entire State if New Jersey! Jacka$$!
The entire State if New Jersey! Jacka$$!
Does this make sense ???????????????
Who's the JACKASS :?: :?:
Guest Is Stupid
03-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Answer: NEW JERSEY
That does make sense!
You're an idiot!
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Maybe in your fragile little eggshell mind it matters my very simple friend. Truth is, your juvenile banter has nothing to do with contracts for COs or Deps and any attempt to illustrate your superiority is all in your mind . As you were raging you probably didnt notice there was talk about trying to do some things to enable some leverage in the future of both divisions. While there are obstacles to some of the ideas mentioned it certainly made sense to me to try to do something different so we could all reap the benefits from unity. I guess you couldnt see through your own malice. Of course it is still America and you are entitled to free speech . I feel sorry for you and guys like you who can't seem to get past their feelings of inadequacy in order to move ahead . Then again, if ignorance is bliss, you're living in a beautiful world, keep up the good work.
What is that? Merge the Correction Officers into the Deputy Sheriff's? Thats crazy. Deputy Sheriffs have police officer training and status amd Correction Officers have jail guard training and peace officer status. Do they teach Correction Officers how to make a traffic stop on Sunrise Highway or the proper procedures to respond to a domestic violence call or a kid drowing in a pool?
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Well I'm not too sure about NJ but there is a DOC closer to home that has full police powers. Your good ole friends on Rikers. Yes, NYCDOC has sworn police status. Don't know why, but it was passed last year.
What is that? Merge the Correction Officers into the Deputy Sheriff's? Thats crazy. Deputy Sheriffs have police officer training and status amd Correction Officers have jail guard training and peace officer status. Do they teach Correction Officers how to make a traffic stop on Sunrise Highway or the proper procedures to respond to a domestic violence call or a kid drowing in a pool?
The Deps ARE the kids drowning in the pool....the pool of their own tears because their former union leader assphucked them and now theyre backpedaling trying to figure out how far those checks wouldve went at Christmas had they spent it on their own kids .
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Well I'm not too sure about NJ but there is a DOC closer to home that has full police powers. Your good ole friends on Rikers. Yes, NYCDOC has sworn police status. Don't know why, but it was passed last year.
It is most likely for more money from homeland security.
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Name one C/O who claimed to have full police officer status!We know what are duties and responsiblities are on or off duty.Wish I could say the same for other members of this office!
SLACKER2
03-28-2006, 08:36 PM
the proper procedures to respond to a domestic violence call or a kid drowing in a pool?[/quote]
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$
I'M NO STEPHEN HAWKING BUT, I'M GUESSING GET THE KID OUT OF THE WATER?!?!?!
:shock:
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Well I'm not too sure about NJ but there is a DOC closer to home that has full police powers. Your good ole friends on Rikers. Yes, NYCDOC has sworn police status. Don't know why, but it was passed last year.
It is most likely for more money from homeland security.
I'm not following? What does Rikers have to do with homeland security.
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Well I'm not too sure about NJ but there is a DOC closer to home that has full police powers. Your good ole friends on Rikers. Yes, NYCDOC has sworn police status. Don't know why, but it was passed last year.
It is most likely for more money from homeland security.
I'm not following? What does Rikers have to do with homeland
security.
Well your no rocket scientist!!!!!!IF Rikers C/Os have police status that means more money from the feds.Its the citys way of saying they have x amount of police officers to pay and train,hence more moolah from the government for homeland security.
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Name one C/O who claimed to have full police officer status!We know what are duties and responsiblities are on or off duty.Wish I could say the same for other members of this office!
Wayne Dorsch and Joe Ponte have both told people they were "cops" or "detectives". Hell Dorsch was even doing V&T's before he got in trouble for it.
Hey Terry have a great day!
Yes, we have no shortage of buffs. Our esteemed former Undersheriff was the biggest (the tampon salesman). It happens. We mock our fellow Officers who go out to places in full bag to save a buck or two- it's a joke and they know it.
Most of us know our realm of duty and expect nothing more than respect for what we do. For those that feel they need to pretend to be what they are not, feel free to ridicule. You know the ones, on a hot day driving down the road with their arm hanging out so their patch can flap in the breeze.
Morons.
Amen brother
03-31-2006, 12:01 PM
I HAVE THE ANSWER. we are all fcked and too fcking stupid to do anything about it...........two divisions of deer in the headlights......................BANG, were all dead............................
Yup, 2 divisions who have pretty good jobs(that can always be better), and we just complain complain complain.
I thank God everyday for the job I have and the security that comes built into it. Sure you always strive for more, better pay and what have you, but at the end of the day its a pretty good job nonetheless. I think the overwhelming sentiment that all these posts have in common though is the need to feel validated by being treated fairly where contracts are concerned. It is a complete shame how Levy treated the Deps, and well AME for that matter. Myself as many COs think is that if we are held to a standard similar to the SCPD (drug testing, moral terpitude issues, responsibility to respond to criminal activity during off hours), then our contracts should be more similar to the SCPD contracts also (Deps too---would that be a THEM TOO ....lol). Our contracts should not be closer to a civilian contract (AME--like Levy wants to ram down Vito and the rest of our throats) if we are being paralleled to the PD for all of the aforementioned issues. Now if Steve Levy has any of his minions checking these message boards, maybe he can take a good look at the commonality we all share here and think a little harder on how to treat his county workforce.
With one hand he reaches into the pockets of trade unions for campaign money and with the other he wields a hammer to beat down the civil servants.....Hey Steve, thats no way to treat people who do the hardest jobs as you have professed in your media opportunities. The County coffers are brimming with money from the last 2 years of gas and oil tariffs ALONE. Your simple minded attempt to cry that we are staring down the barrel of a deficit is an insult to every thinking person in Suffolk County, and in case you didnt know it, we are taxpayers too!
The lions share of us dont live with our mothers who then claim us each year either !!!!!!! Wow Amen Brother well written well said!
Great post, this Dept/office need more like it!
What is the point of the 2 gold stripes on the sheriff cars?
http://members.fortunecity.com/nypolicecars/suffsheriff31.jpg
It's great to see the Sheriff's office is getting exactly what Suffolk County pays for. Lets lower the salary more and maybe, just maybe we can get a serial killer onboard next!!!!!!!
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Name one C/O who claimed to have full police officer status!We know what are duties and responsiblities are on or off duty.Wish I could say the same for other members of this office!
Wayne Dorsch and Joe Ponte have both told people they were "cops" or "detectives". Hell Dorsch was even doing V&T's before he got in trouble for it.
NYC jail guards do not have have police powers. They are only peace officers. Do you just sit around and make this stuff up?
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$CPL1.20$$@TXCPL01.20+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=50679618+&TOKEN=28790662+&TARGET=VIEW
Hey Terry have a great day!
Name one place where correction officers (NOT jail deputies, US Marshals, etc) but CORRECTION OFFICERS have full police officer powers?
Name one C/O who claimed to have full police officer status!We know what are duties and responsiblities are on or off duty.Wish I could say the same for other members of this office!
Wayne Dorsch and Joe Ponte have both told people they were "cops" or "detectives". Hell Dorsch was even doing V&T's before he got in trouble for it.
NYC jail guards do not have have police powers. They are only peace officers. Do you just sit around and make this stuff up?
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$CPL1.20$$@TXCPL01.20+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=50679618+&TOKEN=28790662+&TARGET=VIEW
Hey Terry have a great day!
Dude you are a tool... before you sling shit how about looking it up troll ass queer bait. Hey make sure you're on the last ferry to fire island.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A06377
That bill has never made it out of the NYS assembly. It has never been voted on and is not law.
That bill has never made it out of the NYS assembly. It has never been voted on and is not law.
look at the effective date :roll:
Joe Ponte belives he is better than the rest of us. From what I heard he never worked a tier and sucked when he was in security. He thinks he is a cop and tells everyone he is a cop. That's how he was trained along with the rest of the hacks. A guy on my crew tells it when this tird took all credit for a foiled escape. The famous Ajax caper.
Joe Ponte belives he is better than the rest of us. From what I heard he never worked a tier and sucked when he was in security. He thinks he is a cop and tells everyone he is a cop. That's how he was trained along with the rest of the hacks. A guy on my crew tells it when this tird took all credit for a foiled escape. The famous Ajax caper.
1st of all, it's "believes" and "turd". If you're going to knock someone, at least get your grammar in order. Why are you picking on "JP"? Did he try..er, i mean, did you bang in sick 30 times this year and forced him to look into your problem? Regardless how you feel about him, keep your bullshit comments inside the jail. Don't slam a guy anonymously online you puss.
THE SCCOA MESSAGE BOARD NEEDS A COME BACK!!!
"THANK YOU" 2006[/quote]
to the "puss" that was knocking JP, he's helped more c/o's than you could imagine. yes he did work the tiers and for your info, he was very effective in security. you're entitled to your opinion but it's obvious you have an axe to grind and if you can't say something to someone's face then leave out the name. what do you say we go to our own SCCOA web site and have a discussion or better yet, what crew are you on, i'll meet you anywhere you want for a discussion of our own. Me, i'm on midnights and i can spell.
to the "puss" that was knocking JP, he's helped more c/o's than you could imagine. yes he did work the tiers and for your info, he was very effective in security. you're entitled to your opinion but it's obvious you have an axe to grind and if you can't say something to someone's face then leave out the name. what do you say we go to our own SCCOA web site and have a discussion or better yet, what crew are you on, i'll meet you anywhere you want for a discussion of our own. Me, i'm on midnights and i can spell.
Your name must be DICK, get it, DICK.
typical response from a dim wit. but no matter what, i would still have your back. that's just the way i play the game. too bad you listen to the wrong people.
Guys stop fighting on here. While you are fighting on here the Deputies are suing the Sheriff and their own union! Vito is taking advantage of that! In case you did not hear we have not lost District. We will be keeping at least 12 to 14 spots!
More to follow..................................
Good job not fighting on here!
The number of C/Os at District is still up in the air. The safe side is 8 to 10 plus boosses. Deps are pissed at DeMarco; DeMarco is fighting with every Dep he is friends with. Deps are suing to stop the binding arbitration award. These things are all very important to us. Sit back watch the Deps kill each other then let Vito do his job. We have some Deps working with us!
More to follow............................................ ...................
Good job not fighting on here!
The number of C/Os at District is still up in the air. The safe side is 8 to 10 plus boosses. Deps are pissed at DeMarco; DeMarco is fighting with every Dep he is friends with. Deps are suing to stop the binding arbitration award. These things are all very important to us. Sit back watch the Deps kill each other then let Vito do his job. We have some Deps working with us!
More to follow............................................ ...................
You mean working with us to show how strong we can be united !!!!Its time to stop letting the admin and the C/E divide us....we all work together lets stick together.
so is it safe to say that a dep class won't go in until demarco resolves these issues or does one thing have nothing to do with the other.
Guys stop fighting on here. While you are fighting on here the Deputies are suing the Sheriff and their own union! Vito is taking advantage of that! In case you did not hear we have not lost District. We will be keeping at least 12 to 14 spots!
More to follow..................................
Just booking. a new post for 2-3 at most, in your own little corner
Everyone thinks DC is lost because that sh/t head two star warden went to DC and told them they were finished. Two star did this to save his a$$ and put the blame on Vinnie. Between Two Star and that screaming A$$hole Otto, Vinnie is in for a bad time. He needs a few MORE better people around him both on the Dep and CO sides.
Everyone thinks DC is lost because that sh/t head two star warden went to DC and told them they were finished. Two star did this to save his a$$ and put the blame on Vinnie. Between Two Star and that screaming A$$hole Otto, Vinnie is in for a bad time. He needs a few MORE better people around him both on the Dep and CO sides.
You must be a Dep if you're knocking Chuckie. Thats all i'm going to say about that.
Two star was over his head when he was opening the tent at yaphank. So he turned to the one star to save his a$$. Tom the dope did it, he got it open. Two Star is a nice guy but his is to busy trying to make friends. Two Star surroundes himself with some of the biggest morons this dept. has to offer. Capt. R U Married. X-Inv Sgt can I still pad my ot and joe my brother use to be a co and I'm a drunk. That's all I have to Say
Two star was over his head when he was opening the tent at yaphank. So he turned to the one star to save his a$$. Tom the dope did it, he got it open. Two Star is a nice guy but his is to busy trying to make friends. Two Star surroundes himself with some of the biggest morons this dept. has to offer. Capt. R U Married. X-Inv Sgt can I still pad my ot and joe my brother use to be a co and I'm a drunk. That's all I have to Say
Lets not forget the idiot who fell down the stairs in the pods and somehow ended up in the wardens office
[quote=Anonymous]Everyone thinks DC is lost because that sh/t head two star warden went to DC and told them they were finished. Two star did this to save his a$$ and put the blame on Vinnie. Between Two Star and that screaming A$$hole Otto, Vinnie is in for a bad time. He needs a few MORE better people around him both on the Dep and CO sides.
You must be a Dep if you're knocking Chuckie. Thats all i'm going to say about that.
I agree with both of you, I'm told 2 star is a great person and one of the most honest bosses' this dept. has ever had, But It's also said He can be somewhat passive when you are pissed, even if he's pissed as well it never shows and it should because 95% of that division would follow him compared to 5% for the miserable skunk. Anyway,,, ..... 2nd. Every able bodied person including the K/9 dog's know Otto is bullshting the boss. Same ole' rheotoric from an old ego maniac... without me how can this Dept. survive????Blah blah blah.'''''''''''CHIEF, Vinnie is not a union boss anymore, He's YOUR BOSS...........................
Two star was over his head when he was opening the tent at yaphank. So he turned to the one star to save his a$$. Tom the dope did it, he got it open. Two Star is a nice guy but his is to busy trying to make friends. Two Star surroundes himself with some of the biggest morons this dept. has to offer. Capt. R U Married. X-Inv Sgt can I still pad my ot and joe my brother use to be a co and I'm a drunk. That's all I have to Say
Nice move stupid. You better hope you posted that from a computer other than your own or the Dept's.
How much of this stuff would get on this website if everyone had to identify themselves? Maybe the Deps and CO's should get together outside of the Sheriff's Office and vent their gripes. We are all just people. Based on that, we are all the same. And maybe being united will get us all further. Just a thought.
It's one thing to come on here and discuss a gripe or something, but personal attacks are the work of cowards- we got plenty of 'em. Go ahead and keep casting insults pussie- you're nothing more than that. A bitter, miserable pussie.
The guy has an open door policy. Go grab your balls and say in person what you say here.
Hay guy if you mean Otto you are way off base. Otto is a raging a$$hole. He is just no good and the sooner Vinnie deal's with him the better his years as Sheriff will be. This guy, Otto, election night was with Tisch counting the returns. The whole time he was trying to make in-roads to Vinnie. Prior to the election Otto was telling Tisch there were ways to distroy Vinnie after Tisch wins reelection. Otto is a bum. Has always been a bum and will always be a bum. As far as the Two star warden he has brought dead wood with him and it is showing. He is a great guy and should fly in his own and trust his judgement and run with it. Thank god the skunk is dead.
In all My time,I am yet to see the Sheriff force a shift without approval, from Union and County. You must work for a different Sheriff's Office (check your patch) Perhaps you forget why it's convenient for Vito to be so obesely round ,,,so that he can be easily rolled over on his back. Remember Seniority ....He gave that up To Denser for a Twinkie. Or as "d" said a
''Stake" of course not the wooden kind the ones made of cow.... Steak you know what he meant ......Thank you alright enough!
In all My time,I am yet to see the Sheriff force a shift without approval, from Union and County. You must work for a different Sheriff's Office (check your patch) Perhaps you forget why it's convenient for Vito to be so obesely round ,,,so that he can be easily rolled over on his back. Remember Seniority ....He gave that up To Denser for a Twinkie. Or as "d" said a
''Stake" of course not the wooden kind the ones made of cow.... Steak you know what he meant ......Thank you alright enough!
In all my time, hmmmmm----- is that CO time or actual time ?
new shifts
04-07-2006, 10:33 PM
If the Sheriff can't force a shift without the union's approval then
Why would The Union settle for straight 11-7 shifts at 1st D.C.
wes b
04-07-2006, 10:48 PM
If the Sheriff can't force a shift without the union's approval then
Why would The Union settle for straight 11-7 shifts at 1st D.C.
The bottom line is the Sheriff can post new jobs and hours at will
He also can abolish jobs at will
The same goes for 10 & 12 hour shifts, abolish jobs then repost them with new hours.
Of course if the union feels that the new hours violate " Contract" then they are free to file a grievance.
The union would have a stronger case if employees are forced but the truth is that any 10 or 12 hour shifts that are posted would be filled with numerous request!
The union knows that approx 30-40% of the membership is interested in these new hours.
The rumor is the 10 and 12 hours shifts have been scrapped. They are now considering an indefinite 24 on, 24 off schedule, in an effort to curtail overtime costs, due to perceived gaps caused by legislative delays in hiring for the years 2002, 2003, and 2004, and the obvious resultant manpower shortage.
The feeling is that this would eliminate that entire second shift, almost doubling crew size, and effectively eliminating all state mandated overtime.
There is also a rumor that effective April 1, 2007, all officers will be required to attend eight hours of inhouse training, in addition to the training currently received for all direct supervision housing areas, in an effort to further ensure that all officers are thoroughly proficient in the use of currently issued playing cards. It seems several inmate grievances have been received which appear to suggest that officers assigned to the East and West Dorms are either unfamiliar with current facility rules, or are in fact cheating. It has also been suggested that the currently issued Bicycle Playing Cards will likely be replaced with Hoyles Flying Plastic Jumbos which have proven to be not only considerably more durable, but offer duel role defense capabilty as well.
Yeah I heard that too! the 10 to12 hour shifts where canned in favor of the new Levy Indentured civil servants plan . Matter of fact they are building affordable housing " tar paper shacks" just north of both jails so the work force of Indentured civil servant can have affordable housing under the County X"s plan.
The rumor is the 10 and 12 hours shifts have been scrapped. They are now considering an indefinite 24 on, 24 off schedule, in an effort to curtail overtime costs, due to perceived gaps caused by legislative delays in hiring for the years 2002, 2003, and 2004, and the obvious resultant manpower shortage.
The feeling is that this would eliminate that entire second shift, almost doubling crew size, and effectively eliminating all state mandated overtime.
There is also a rumor that effective April 1, 2007, all officers will be required to attend eight hours of inhouse training, in addition to the training currently received for all direct supervision housing areas, in an effort to further ensure that all officers are thoroughly proficient in the use of currently issued playing cards. It seems several inmate grievances have been received which appear to suggest that officers assigned to the East and West Dorms are either unfamiliar with current facility rules, or are in fact cheating. It has also been suggested that the currently issued Bicycle Playing Cards will likely be replaced with Hoyles Flying Plastic Jumbos which have proven to be not only considerably more durable, but offer duel role defense capabilty as well.
Guy get your facts straight, the brand name of the cards is AVITAR. I know because I used to work in commmissary. I say used to because of the civilians that are supposed to start there.
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