EFFECTS OF STRESS ON POLICE OFFICERS (Not much good news)

[Born A Loser]

There has been a lot of research on the negative effects of stress on people in general. I am sure you know that police work is one of the top rated professions for job stress next to air traffic controllers and dentists. A good way to start this presentation, I think, is to give a good working definition of police stress I have seen the following definition around enough to realize that many who are reading this are already familiar with this excellent definition. What I like about the following definition is that it is not just scientific, but gives an idea of what stress is, relates very well to the police job, and can even give us an idea of what cops may need to do to help themselves with stress. Okay, here it is:
That feeling and desire along with the ensuing bodily effects, experienced by a person who has a strong and true longing to choke the living shit out of someone who desperately deserves it, but you can't.

Now, while this may sound funny there is a real element of truth to it. An element of truth that says an awful lot about police work. And that is the part of the definition "......BUT YOU CAN'T". Police work, by it's very nature, calls for an incredible amount of restraint. Continual restraint. Draining restraint. It is stressful. The demands on police officers to show ever greater restraint have been increasing over the years, and not so coincidentally has the effects of stress on police work. With the recent attention that police suicide has received in the media there have been a number of reviews on police suicide. I came across an interesting statistic. Between 1934 and 1960 police suicide rates were half that of the general population. Between 1980 to the present, suicide rates in some departments almost approach double! What is the difference? YOU CAN'T CHOKE EM ANYMORE! Street justice is all but gone. Everyone has video cameras. The media gets off on putting down cops. Politicians continue to pander to the public with new laws and restrictions for police officers that further tie their hands, and YOU CAN'T CHOKE ANYONE WITH YOUR HANDS TIED! So you start to feel that you're choking yourself.

If we take a quick overview of police work and look at the research of what the biggest stressors are, we find:

Killing someone in the line of duty.
Having you partner killed in the line of duty.
Lack of support by the department/bosses.
Shiftwork and disruption of family time/family rituals.

The daily grind of dealing with the stupidity of the public, or the "a55hole factor".

Interestingly, physical danger is ranked low on the list of stressors by police officers!

One of the worst effects of stress on police officers is of course suicide. We are becoming all too familiar with police suicide especially with the attention the media has given New York City. Twice as many police officers die by their own hand as do in the line of duty!

A study of 2376 Buffalo NY police officers found that compared to the white male population police officers had higher mortality rates for cancer, suicide, and heart disease. The suggested reason: Higher stress levels.

What is going on? Every study done points to the higher levels of stress police officers face, but what form does that stress take? With suicide there seem to be four factors:

1. Divorce. 2.Alcohol - not alcoholism. That was one of the early theories. But in actuality it was the use of alcohol right before the act to "get up the nerve". 3. Depression. 4. A failure to get help. (Most officers who commit suicide have no history of having sought counseling).

All four factors are symptoms that can stem from an officer's stress levels. Police suicide is more directly related to relationship problems than to job stress! Of the last 14 suicides among the police officers in New York City, 12, or 86%, had to due with divorce or relationship breakup.

Police officers going through a divorce are 5 times more likely to commit suicide that and officer in a stable marriage! Relationship problems, however, are highly related to job stress. The circle is complete!

If we consider that officers have an important relationship with their department, we can examine the effect of that relationship gone bad. Officers who get in serious trouble on the job, suspended or facing termination, are 7 times more likely to commit suicide. (Apparently cops like their jobs better than their wives).

So we see that stress has a profound effect on police officers lives, especially their home lives. Studies have called police work a "high risk lifestyle". Not high risk in terms of the physical dangers of the job, but a high risk in terms of developing attitudinal problems, behavioral problems, and intimacy and relationship problems. So you learn something about the effects of police work. You learn if you ask the average cop "Hey, what's been the scariest experience during your police career?" They will answer "My first marriage!"

The national divorce rate is 50%. All research shows police suffer a substantially higher divorce rate with estimates ranging from 60 to 75%. One of the casualties of police work is often the marriage. A police marriage, after all, is like a hurricane. A lot of sucking and blowing in the begging but in the end you lose your house. One poor (literally) officer I knew who had a few marriages gone bad told me, "If I ever decide to marry again, I'm just gonna find a woman I don't like very much and buy her a house".

As a police officer progresses in his/her career is the eroding of the attitudes. As noted above, police work presents a high risk of developing attitudinal problems. As a police officer's career progresses, they become more cynical. No one questions this anymore. The only questions in the research are how cynical and how soon. Some studies suggest that cynicism can be seen developing in the academy and just gets worse from there.

So, what is the problem with becoming cynical? Life is like an airplane. An airplane has four forces working on it. Gravity pulls it down. But the wings can produce lift, which picks it up. The engines produce thrust. But the air around the plane produces drag or resistance. In order to fly a pilot will take the plane, point it into the greatest amount of resistance (into the wind), and add the maximum amount of thrust. Maximum thrust into maximum resistance produces lift. Once airborne your height or elevation is controlled by attitude. If you pull back on the stick the nose of the plane points up. You have a positive attitude and will climb. If you push the stick forward you have a negative attitude and will fall. Fall far enough and you will crash.

The problem with cynicism is that destroys all attitude. All attitude becomes negative and thus the cynic will eventually crash. Cops more than people in any other profession are in continual danger of becoming cynics. In continual danger of crashing!

It is, I think, an officers job and duty (especially to his family) not to crash. Too much is at stake. Staying psychologically fit means committing to take care of yourself. It takes work. The greater the stress, the greater the need to apply maximum thrust into this resistance! For the average officer possibly the hardest job of staying healthy is to admit that he/she has a problem. The second hardest feat is the willingness to get help. I have often marveled at how police officers, whose careers are centered on helping others, have so much trouble accepting help. On the other hand, I have also marveled at the difficult jobs the officers I have worked with have undertaken and succeeded at. Both on and off the job.

SUCH A LONG WELL THOUGHT OUT ESSAY DESERVES A WELL THOUGHT OUT RESPONSE.


YOU MY FRIEND ARE A GHOUL........ :shock:

[Banjo]

I did a published study several years ago.

The number one stressor was the lack of backing by police administration. Number one.

[Justme]

It's beautiful, 1 year after they f$#%$^ everybody over, they kick the bucket. Life does has real justice. Happy Thanksgiving! :P

[hooked on phonics.......]

It's beautiful, 1 year after they f$#%$^ everybody over, they kick the bucket. Life does has real justice. Happy Thanksgiving! :P

Hey troll, I believe you mean to say " life does HAVE real justice". In any event, your sentece is poorly worded and confusing at best. Hopefully you are better at carving a turkey than you are at utilizing the English language :lol:

Before you use a screen name like hooked on phonics, make sure you spell check "sentence"!

[Travis]

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,

[bodo]

Someone's jealous!

[Manhattan S.]

Someone's jealous!really unless he's referring to the toothless wonders of Suffolk county as dogs and their naggy voices as barking.
I took a year to adjust to the p.o. friendly admin out here and went from a modest 12 bodies a year to over 4 a month. And I'm not even close to being a ''star'' in my squad. And not one 511 arrest, if the public only knew how many perps live in the 'burbs.
I wont even get into the 911 calls out here, people should be ashamed of themselves.

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,I guess we should all blow our careers on the mary jane huh Johnny?

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,no, we also cant get our kids the free lunch program for destitute families like you did Lt, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats a real ''hoot''

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,no, we also cant get our kids the free lunch program for destitute families like you did Lt, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats a real ''hoot''yeah I'm sure the officers that responded to the call in Manorville involving the dog and girl thought it was a hoot, you f'n jackass, if you ever were a cop, you should forget your insecurities and realize the job is the same everywhere. My dad worked the city job in the late 60s, to early 90s, never had a rape, dwi,drug arrest, assault, etc. I've worked all of them within a 5 year span in Suffolk cty, gun calls child molesters, the barking dogs??? hahahahahahahahahaha. You should have taken the test lt, maybe you'd have passed, The test is a open exam, everyone has the same chance of making it, unless they have a criminal record.....or got the boot from another dept. :lol:
I doubt you made it, maybe you were interviewed, or maybe you made ''it'', but you didnt last. One way or another ''lt travis'' you screwed up.

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,

Another inane post from a barely literate city cop. Attaining a 4th grade reading level gets you to lieutenant in the city. Can you even spell "lieutenant"? Jackass!!!!

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,

Another inane post from a barely literate city cop. Attaining a 4th grade reading level gets you to lieutenant in the city. Can you even spell "lieutenant"? Jackass!!!!This guys not a cop, he pushes a cab for hicksville yellow cab, 931 1111.

[paula nichols]

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,Police have arrested a New Cassel man who they say got into a fight with his relatives and threw his three-year-old nephew down a flight of stairs.

According to authorities, Tommie Blaylock, 31, got involved in a verbal and physical altercation with his sister and sister-in-law at his residence Monday at about 4:30 p.m. His family said he was high on the drug PCP.

During the incident, Blaylock picked up the toddler and threw him down 13 steps from the second floor landing of the home, police said.

The boy was thrown with such force, police said, that he was airborne, clearing all of the steps and the landing on the first floor. He was taken to Nassau University Medical Center where he was admitted into the intensive care unit.

Police said Blaylock resisted arrest, punched and kicked eight officers, but was finally subdued.

He is charged with first-degree reckless endangerment, endangering the welfare of a child and resisting arrestHOWS THAT FOR A BARKING DOG COMPLAINT JOHNNY BOY WHOOF WHOOF

[hey yo dude]

Another inane post from a city cop with 4th grade education, if Im not mistaken, to get on the city job you need a minimum of 2 years college.....Suffolk u need a GED...

[rastis]

yeah, and the county jails only house dwi offenders, and people who owe child support. get a grip, the toilet bowl of society needs to be flushed.

[Whippersnapper]

Isn't this post about stress?

The real stress is the same for every job suffolk,nassau, city or las vegas its all the same. Cops are stressed because they don't think their department and the public will back them when something happens. The department is looking for what they did wrong and the public wants you to carry a boomerang and knock the gun out of the perps hand without hurting him.
Civilians get fixated on cops getting shot or killed while working as the reason why they wouldn't be a cop or why an urban department should get more money than a surburban one. I've never met a cop who was afraid of getting hurt or killed, but everyday I meet ones that are afraid of getting screwed by their department or having Al Sharpton sitting on his front lawn while your trying to take your kid to soccer practice.
To the trolls on here next time you think " that cop" did something because he was a sadist, on a powertrip or whatever, try thinking maybe he was a guy who just wants to go to work and go home and didn't getup that morning with the intention of going to court for the next three years having attorneys wearing 46 waist pants talk about what he did wrong. Thats stress

My dad worked the city job in the late 60s, to early 90s, never had a rape, dwi,drug arrest, assault, etc. I've worked all of them within a 5 year span in Suffolk cty, gun calls child molesters, the barking dogs??? not trying to be rude but what did your dad do?????couldnt have been very active.....i dont begrudge you guys anything but your honestly not trying to compare your workload to that of a city guy...are you????that would be silly.....in some of the busier pcts in the city we handle all those big bad jobs you talk about in a single tour....lord knows we(as NYPD)wish we were paid like you guys but workload isnt something to compare

My dad worked the city job in the late 60s, to early 90s, never had a rape, dwi,drug arrest, assault, etc. I've worked all of them within a 5 year span in Suffolk cty, gun calls child molesters, the barking dogs??? not trying to be rude but what did your dad do?????couldnt have been very active.....i dont begrudge you guys anything but your honestly not trying to compare your workload to that of a city guy...are you????that would be silly.....in some of the busier pcts in the city we handle all those big bad jobs you talk about in a single tour....lord knows we(as NYPD)wish we were paid like you guys but workload isnt something to compareI'm not comparing the city where every single station has more population than any of our towns concentrated in 1-2 blocks. But our worlds are different, I'm the only cop for several square miles. On my gun calls, I'm holding the perps at gunpoint for minutes waiting for a single backup, usually I just take them out and cuff them alone.If I'm rolling with someone I'm probably alone. We dont have the violence of the city, yet but most city guys who come out here are shocked at the volume of calls and amount of crime there is. We too have had those kinds of calls and then some all in one tour, I was stating those are some of the arrests I've made.

[Whippersnapper]

I agree, I was a city guy who works on the island now. The first time you show up at a domestic ( or as the city calls them family disputes) and start handling it by yourself because another unit didnt get there yet, its very weird to be doing police work like that on your own. yes two cars are assigned to a domestic but those two cars are usually a total of 2 guys not 4 like the city. Yes you city guys are right chances are we won't be working in an area like brownsville, but I remember in the city you could get ten cops at a scene in 3 minutes, fifty in ten minutes, we dont have that here and you only have to have one call ( or job) to give you a life altering( or losing) experience anywhere in the country, just ask that 63 year old " small town" cop from alabama who got got shot in the head a few days ago by that perp from Massacusetts.

[Dr. Stressmonger]

Yes, the stress of sipping your starbucks mocha frapichino's - oh-h-h-h-h-h no-o-o-o-o-o-o. The stress is killing me. Anyone who has a decent scanner can listen in to these country club cops at any time. Yuckin it up on the radios, where to "do" lunch, etc. It's pretty funny when they have all these calls going on and it takes a real long time for anyone to answer thier radios - except for when a FEMALE cop with a young and sexy voice answers up for a call, then you hear five guys call in on thier police radios within a second or two. It's pathetic, or when they say "switch to PD north" or "south" or any of the other less busy channels, then they really yuck it up ! Oh, the stress?

Yes, the stress of sipping your starbucks mocha frapichino's - oh-h-h-h-h-h no-o-o-o-o-o-o. The stress is killing me. Anyone who has a decent scanner can listen in to these country club cops at any time. Yuckin it up on the radios, where to "do" lunch, etc. It's pretty funny when they have all these calls going on and it takes a real long time for anyone to answer thier radios - except for when a FEMALE cop with a young and sexy voice answers up for a call, then you hear five guys call in on thier police radios within a second or two. It's pathetic, or when they say "switch to PD north" or "south" or any of the other less busy channels, then they really yuck it up ! Oh, the stress?just the fact that you readily admit you;
1) Have a police scanner
2) Listen to it, even when you are claiming it is boring or pathetic
3) Know the ''lingo''
switch to PD north" or "south
pretty much sums up your life, troll

[cmonnoww]

pls guy, any call with any substance, you have 3 or 4 cars going...Port Jeff - u will have 608,610,604 and others responding. The idea of police having a stressfull job is just not correct. u know it and i know it. You may have times that involve stress, but there is alot of down time on the job. U know it and i know it. The idea of stress with any job in law enforcement has been created by the officers, unions, and other groups with tout it during contract negotiations. The police subculture has created it.

pls guy, any call with any substance, you have 3 or 4 cars going...Port Jeff - u will have 608,610,604 and others responding. The idea of police having a stressfull job is just not correct. u know it and i know it. You may have times that involve stress, but there is alot of down time on the job. U know it and i know it. The idea of stress with any job in law enforcement has been created by the officers, unions, and other groups with tout it during contract negotiations. The police subculture has created it.

I've asked this question before, but I never get any answers. If our job is so well paid, so stress free and we do nothing, why aren't any of you idiots one of us. Criminal record? Crazy? Too stupid to pass the exam? Or are all of you fatter than you claim we are? Go ahead, hurl all the insults you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are all a bunch of jealous wanabees.

Another inane post from a city cop with 4th grade education, if Im not mistaken, to get on the city job you need a minimum of 2 years college.....Suffolk u need a GED...

If you compare the education of Suffolk cops to city cops, weel there is no comparison. Suffolk can afford to be MUCH more selective. While only a G.E D. is necessary the majority have a bachelor's degree or higher. Your associate's from Queen's community college doesn't stack up.

[Dumb azz cops]

I have stress on my job too, not that I would equate my stress to yours. Obviously the type of stress you must undergo as Police Officers is consistent with coronary artery disease, stroke, diabetes, etc. The New England Journal of Medicine did a study from 1972 through 2002 and found that the average age of death for Police Officers Nationwide is 29 % lower than non Police personnel. The results basically stated that Police Officers die much earlier in life than does the average citizen. 61 years old as opposed to 74 years old. Whilde I wouldn't want to be in on that statistic, I would however enjoy the salary of the Suffolk Officers. Just making that much money must relieve some of that enormous stress - right ?

[getadg]

If most of you have bachelor degrees, why is your union so againsts requiring college to get hired or promoted?

If most of you have bachelor degrees, why is your union so againsts requiring college to get hired or promoted?for the ever so important quota of non- white males

pls guy, any call with any substance, you have 3 or 4 cars going...Port Jeff - u will have 608,610,604 and others responding. The idea of police having a stressfull job is just not correct. u know it and i know it. You may have times that involve stress, but there is alot of down time on the job. U know it and i know it. The idea of stress with any job in law enforcement has been created by the officers, unions, and other groups with tout it during contract negotiations. The police subculture has created it.talk to the 7th pct cops that had the girl who was strangled by the dog, was that as stressful to them as it was to the parents? No, but rest assured they see her face, talk to the 20 plus cops involved in the last 3-4 car pursuits, was that stressful?yes.
Again many cars will respond to a ''hot'' call, but the primary car will be there alone for minutes. Ever fight a whole family, hubby, wife, older brother 22 y/o, younger sister 13 y/o, alone for 90 seconds? If you've never done it dont knock it.
And no thats not a complaint, just part of the job

I have stress on my job too, not that I would equate my stress to yours. Obviously the type of stress you must undergo as Police Officers is consistent with coronary artery disease, stroke, diabetes, etc. The New England Journal of Medicine did a study from 1972 through 2002 and found that the average age of death for Police Officers Nationwide is 29 % lower than non Police personnel. The results basically stated that Police Officers die much earlier in life than does the average citizen. 61 years old as opposed to 74 years old. Whilde I wouldn't want to be in on that statistic, I would however enjoy the salary of the Suffolk Officers. Just making that much money must relieve some of that enormous stress - right ?

Everyone tosses the word stress around but it seems no one really knows what it means. Am I sitting in a corner chewing on my arm jumping at every noise I hear? No. Are things happening to my body that I'm not aware of? Yes. Working different shifts, sleeping at different hours, eating(poorly) at different times every day. Those are the stressors in my life. Over time they take a physical toll on the body. I see alot of unpleasant things and have risked injury and sometimes my life. Those events pass quickly and do not adversely affect me. It's the physical effects on ones body that result in decreased life expectancy, not the nasty, horrible things we see, or the danger we are subjected to. I'm not complaining, I chose this line of work. However all the money in the world doesn't undo the damage done to my body by going without sleep for 26 hours once a week.

pls guy, any call with any substance, you have 3 or 4 cars going...Port Jeff - u will have 608,610,604 and others responding. The idea of police having a stressfull job is just not correct. u know it and i know it. You may have times that involve stress, but there is alot of down time on the job. U know it and i know it. The idea of stress with any job in law enforcement has been created by the officers, unions, and other groups with tout it during contract negotiations. The police subculture has created it.your cars are off, but you have a point. Now let me ask, if 3-4 cars are on one call, when the next priority call comes, who goes to that? And the next one? The 6th has 19 cars, covering roughly 200,000 taxpayers, and a huge chunk of Real Estate. If there are say 8 plain jane domestics at the same time, there will be 1 car still in service. Has this happened? Not with Domestics, no, but there are days/nights where 20+ non-priority calls are holding, and dozens of priority calls sprinkled thruout the tour, where the dispatcher cannot scrounge up a car to answer a priority call. There have been many times a single car answers a 2 car call alone, just because he has no one.
I'm not complaining either

pls guy, any call with any substance, you have 3 or 4 cars going...Port Jeff - u will have 608,610,604 and others responding. The idea of police having a stressfull job is just not correct. u know it and i know it. You may have times that involve stress, but there is alot of down time on the job. U know it and i know it. The idea of stress with any job in law enforcement has been created by the officers, unions, and other groups with tout it during contract negotiations. The police subculture has created it.
As a former nypd now working in scpd, I'll be the first to say you are wrong. When I came out here, I laughed that after 7 years doing hte ''real'' job, I'd be retired getting 2x pension.
I am far busier than I was in the city. In the city there was unlimited POs working(or so it seemed), and no matter how many calls, there was always someone available. The station was far busier than any precinct out here. The calls were ''legit'' as opposed to the bs out here. But I'm still handling more calls, and the calls are further apart. Its a longer distance between calls, cutting into our ''downtime''. Out here you can go from call to call with 4-5 calls stacked, that is you havent even written the report yet, which is unheard of where I worked in the city.In the city if you had double digit summons and a arrest, you were ok. Out here the # has gone from a minimum of 12 a month to 20-25 with 30 being optimal.
I agree with the prior post. Yes you get backup, but its a hit or miss prospect, if the guy next to you is on something, your backup can be 10 minutes away. Big difference from riding with a actual partner.
If you think handling domestics, mvas, doas, stabbings, committals(scpd is the #1 transport service for the mentally ill in suffolk) kids drowning, etc does not stress a person out you are wrong. Im not saying a cop answering a call that has some hair on it is as stressed as the person(s) involved, but it still affects him/her.
I'm also not complaining

[cmonnn]

Yeah..stress..like the 6 cops playing ping pong in huntington station firehouse in the basement for an hour, then taking their 10-18 for another hour.

Yeah..stress..like the 6 cops playing ping pong in huntington station firehouse in the basement for an hour, then taking their 10-18 for another hour.Or when we go skydiving too, right?

I read all this crap and I have something to say.

Everyone has stress on their job. If you think you don't then you are smoking something. Yes, some jobs are more stressful than other, and I do feel that being a poice officer is a stressful job. There is no respect for these people anymore. They never know what they are going into. The mentally ill transports can turn nasty in a sec, the domestics go bad fast and the list goes on.

To me saying that they have an easy job tells me that you are a Jealous person. Worry about your own life and not someone elses. If you think you have the means to do that job then DO IT.

Stop crying.

Keep up the good work SCPD.

Yeah..stress..like the 6 cops playing ping pong in huntington station firehouse in the basement for an hour, then taking their 10-18 for another hour.How do 6 cops play ping pong? I dont know what kind of ping pong table huntington has but the most I could see playing at once is 4.
Seriously, what does that have to do with answering calls? Whether or not they took extra time on their meal, does answering a priority call become less stressful because they played ping-pong?

I'd have to agree. Playing ping-pong is not part of a police officer's job description. Does nt have anything to do with the stress of answering 911 calls. You might say they were being lazy and not patrolling, but the act of playing ping-pong has nothing to do with the stress felt while handling a call. I'm guessing you were present while they played? Or is this some huge rumor running rampant thru the town of Huntington? :lol:

[u mean there r gang on li]

From the witness stand of a federal murder trial in Central Islip this week, the sophistication of the Bloods gang on Long Island has been unveiled in the baritone testimony of two gang leaders.

Prosecution witnesses Gregory Key and Damien Russell have not only told jurors that defendant and fellow Blood Laval Farmer is responsible for the 2001 killing of 14-year-old Jose White in Roosevelt. They are the first Bloods leaders to say Long Island sets, or chapters, have direct ties to Bloods in Los Angeles.

"You just can't come from nowhere and make your own Bloods set," said Russell, in a deep voice that sometimes caused the courtroom's audio speakers to distort. "It has to be sanctioned from higher up."

But even as Key, of the Little Brick Gangsta Lanes Bloods in Glen Cove, and Russell, of the Velt Gangsta Lanes Bloods in Roosevelt, outlined strong connections with California sets of the gang, some experts said the men were exaggerating.

"They would like you to believe they have this national interconnectivity, but that's extremely rare," said retired Suffolk County anti-gang Det. Wes Daily, now executive director of the East Coast Gang Investigators Association, a nonprofit that trains law enforcement officers.

Farmer's defense attorney, Howard Jacobs of Manhattan, has not challenged the testimony about bicoastal connections within the Bloods and did not return calls.

But Daily, who was in charge of the Suffolk County Police Criminal Intelligence Section before his retirement in 2003, said he believed the men, now in jail awaiting trial on their own cases, are seeking lighter sentences by boosting the government's case that Bloods are not only responsible for local crimes, but part of a racketeering enterprise.


On L.I.? nah that would mean there are crimes, and cops do something other than collect their paychecks....that would validate their existence and refute our criticism that they are overpaid and underworked, I'm just going to pretend the article never existed.

The City Job takes anything that breathes w/o a felony rap sheet.
The educated cops are here in the suburbs. The smart city cops never stay. They join us!!!!!!

The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,

Another inane post from a barely literate city cop. Attaining a 4th grade reading level gets you to lieutenant in the city. Can you even spell "lieutenant"? Jackass!!!!

He was the old 124 man.


My dad worked the city job in the late 60s, to early 90s, never had a rape, dwi,drug arrest, assault, etc. I've worked all of them within a 5 year span in Suffolk cty, gun calls child molesters, the barking dogs??? not trying to be rude but what did your dad do?????couldnt have been very active.....i dont begrudge you guys anything but your honestly not trying to compare your workload to that of a city guy...are you????that would be silly.....in some of the busier pcts in the city we handle all those big bad jobs you talk about in a single tour....lord knows we(as NYPD)wish we were paid like you guys but workload isnt something to compare

[Guest 269]

The correct financial advisor and sweating out the 11-15 work days a month. That must be quite stressful given that most people have to work at least 20 days a month. If you need a few extra bucks, just bang in some overtime. The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,

The correct financial advisor and sweating out the 11-15 work days a month. That must be quite stressful given that most people have to work at least 20 days a month. If you need a few extra bucks, just bang in some overtime. The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,
11-15 days?? What job is this?? Unless you are referring to the souls that work 10 hour tours, who work a full 5 day tour in 4 days, its all the same. Maybe you should have removed your socks and counted on your toes after you hit your 11th finger, day tour works a full 19-20 day work week, with no guaranteed breaks either. (and no I'm not complaining either,lol)
Pay travis no mind, fringe member of our world, always around, but not quite one of us, thats why hes jealous, your reason?

[wah my life sux]

The correct financial advisor and sweating out the 11-15 work days a month. That must be quite stressful given that most people have to work at least 20 days a month. If you need a few extra bucks, just bang in some overtime. The only stress the Nassau and Suffolk cops have is the stress of hiring the correct financial advisor!

what a hoot... $109,000 for handling barking dog complaints



Lt. Travis Franupian,What a pair of jerkoffs, the only cops that work 12-16 days are the ones who work 10 hour shifts on the overnights. Do the math, 4x10=40....5x8=40 its all the same. They work same amount of hours in less days, now I suppose there is a problem with that too?
Get the green monster off your back, go out and apply for a job that makes you happy, and pays you better and quit your bitchin. Stop being a whiny moany victim of life. No one cares.

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