The WASP and the Terrorist Lawyer

[golly]

I know who the terrorist lawyer is, who is the wasp?
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[Whatta Team]

In case there was any doubt that the Fix Albany team has no real Demcratic values to speak of here's what they have in store for the North Shore.

One candidate is a criminal lawyer who claims he is a champion of constitutional rights while defending foreign nationals who try to commit acts of war against the United States in one case. In an other he is accused in court of a "pattern of racial discrimination."(see Newsday)

The other is a county club blue-blood who belongs to a country club that bans Jews, catholics, Blacks, Hispanics, Irish,. Italians, and any one else whose dare enter this country after the Mayflower. This is a club that just until recently would not allow African-American caddies. Its a funny site to see on the North Shore to see a Democratic bumper sticker on cars whose stickers usaully only say "Piping Rock Club", "Jupiter Hills" or "Life is a Choice". Hope they don't peel any paint off those Bentley's when removed.

If elected its too bad the Assemblyman will not be invited to the "mens" grill for a scotch southside. But maybe he can sneak you on the course when its slow. Just don't tell anyone your last name.

Great ticket for Demcratic values.

[Interesting]

Just think, if social X-Ray Lorna Bade Goodman ran against Sidikman, she could have bludgeoned the man to death with a watercress sandwich!
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[re Golly]

By the way, his friends at the Pipping Rock Club call him "chas" not Charles. Its easier to say it that way when you talk with your teeth together (Its called Locust Valley Lock Jaw).

[JJD]

I don't know whether you're on the money or not, and it doesn't really matter because, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't these guys win primaries? Doesn't that suggest that their prospective constituents wanted them to run? I'm not sure that this is one that can be blamed on, or credited to, Suozzi.
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[RE The Team]

One won a primary as a result of a heavy Glen Cove turnout and the other didn't have a primary.

[Thoughtful]

All this talk about the terrorist lawyer is going to come back to bite everybody in the butt. Attorneys who are/were criminal defense lawyers have been judges, legislators and chief executives for both parties. Some were former District Attorneys or US Attorneys, and some will be in the future.

Today's popular scorched earth policy toward candidates is a very dangerous thing, because you may want to smear a whole category or profession now, you will want to run them later but will find that the smear remains. All the people involved know better, and that the smear is only for public consumption by the ignorant. But the public will remember the smear long after a particular race is over. And everyone will have to live on that self-created scorched earth. Be careful about smearing Lavine with this nonsense, because it will most assuredly come back to haunt everyone. In the long term, this will be a very short-sighted foolish move.

[but......]

No it was not.

[RE Thoughtful]

He is a "cop-killer" and "terrorist" lawyer and there is a difference. I have no problem with defense attorney's as a rule, but just a casual perusal of past Newsday articles of his cases should raise concerns that should be vetted out.

The Nassau police organizations have raised concerns with Mr. Lavine because he called three police officers liars in a cop killing case while there was evidence that supported their testimony but was suppressed as evidence.

In, addition he was accuses of a "pattern of racial discrimination" while he defended the Howard Beach racists.

It is proper to raise the issues to question whether he shares the same values and beliefs of his district. It is also proper in the context of assessing what kind of law maker he will be if elected.

It is an issue as everyone's job and how they preform it is an issue when they run from public office.

[Thoughtful]

All criminal defense lawyers defend people accused of crimes. That's what they do. Over a career, they will defend bad people and innocent. Some will be heinous, others ordinary. They will advocate for their clients because that is what an attorneys job is. Would you be represented by an attorney who would place his political career potential above his zealous representation of you, as he is sworn to do? Perhaps you prefer criminal defense lawyers who represent only people accused of nice crimes? Can you even begin to see how silly and ridiculous your thoughts are. And do the people who matter realize the damage they are doing themselves ane the parties' future by deluding people like you?

Each of your supposed "complaints" is of no consequence to anyone having a passing familiarity with the system. Only the naive or ignorant would pose such a simple-minded reaction. This is what is expected of the public, whose understanding is so limited as to be subject to manipulation by anyone with a facile mouth and few scruples. But those know better, whether they are Republican or Democratic, should not use such manipulation of the naive or ignorant to win a battle at the cost of the war.

[Aha]

While using the cop killer, terrorist lawyer thing is extremely effective, Thoughtful is correct. It's just a way to smear Lavine, but it could wreak havoc for the future.

[Chuck Lavine Shouldn't be]

NO, "thoughtful" is NOT correct. Yes, it is the job of a criminal defense attorney to give his client a good defense. However, it is NOT the job of a defense attorney to invent a defense for his client. We have all seen examples of how some defense attorneys step way over the line by fabricating a defense out of thin air. Examples: The OJ trial, where Johnny Cochran and his cadre of liars made preposterous allegations against the detectives as well as the prosecution and basically resorted to jury nullification. The "Preppie" murder where Chambers' attorney used a "rough sex" defense to smear the victim and get a vicious murderer off. A NYC cop killer whose attorneys claim self defense and win an acquittal by spinning a tall tale and selecting a sympathetic jury. The list goes on and on. Some defense attorneys feel it is their duty to distort facts, lie and do whatever it takes to win a case. Just a reminder: trials are supposed to be a search for the truth to punish the guilty, but you'd never know it with some attorneys, who feel winning is the only thing. A good defense is one thing. Outright lying is another.

[Aha]

Quote:The last thing that the dysfunctional state legislature needs is another defense oriented lawyer in the State Assembly.Another? You need to have a first one to have another. Legislators are scared to death of being labelled soft on crime. That's why NY is nationally renown as having the most bizarre penal law in the nation, as in the Rockefeller Drug Laws, which can't be changed because of fear.

Weitz & Luxembourg is a plaintiff's personal injury firm, and has nothing to do with criminal defense. Lavine is mainstream as criminal defense lawyers go, nowhere near a National Lawyers Guild type like Lynne Stewart.

As for the fellow who writes that trials are a search for the truth, that's the job of judge and jury, not defense lawyer. Go check your 5th grade social studies notes, and you'll figure out the roles. And when a defendant is found not guilty, even when you don't like the defense, that means the defendant is not guilty and the lawyer did his job. The lawyers job is not to please you.

Remember, a liberal is a Republican under indictment. What goes around comes around. And it hurts a lot when it bites you in the ass. Be very careful of trying to fudge the truth and reality, because the chances of finding yourself, or your hero, in horizontal stripes gets better every day.

[Aha]

IS CALLED SADAAM'S IRAQ. Have you ever heard of the RIGHT TO COUNSEL (it's in the Constitution)? It is ONE of the things that makes the USA the greatest country in the world to live in. People who complain about defense attorneys are the first ones to look for the best when they get indicted.

You sound SO ignorant !!!

[golly]

Suozzi's agenda is not liberal or conservative. It is whatever it takes to get elected. His agenda is to get elected to higher office no matter what it takes.
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[Keep Thinking]

Again the issue is not defense attorneys in general its whether or not this particular attorney ever crossed the line while defending the worst criminals in the history of New York state. Thats the question thats being raised.

The constitution does not allow for excluding blacks from a jury pool and lying to juries during a closing arguments. Thats why people do not like attorney's in the first place. It's about ethics in this candidates current profession which has rules.

If a defense attorney violated his oath to defend an accused by whatever "legal and ethical" means possible, how can he be trusted to make laws for you and me.

[Thoughtful]

Lavine didn't exclude blacks from juries, but tried to get a jury that wouldn't be biased against his client. It was challenged under Batson, which happens to assistant district attorneys regularly, and the Court rejected it. And most importantly, the Constitution prohibits discrimination by the Government, not by private citizens, including lawyers.

And he lied to a jury because you says so? Well, you must be just the most important, smartest person ever since you know the Truth. Were you there? Then you know nothing and are just creating a reality the way you want it to be. Like the other guy said, go back to elementary school and learn your civics before you start proving to the world how little you know.

[Its Called Politics]

You accused me of "creating a reality the way you want it to be" thats called politics. Maybe you should go back to school. If that is what the voters are made to believe then thats all that matters.

Are you saying that because he is an attorney he should be exempt from having his profession and how he practices it examined. An attorney is no different then any other profession. For some reason you don't want a discussion on it.

[Just a thought]

I must have struck a raw nerve to elicit such nasty comments from "JUSTATHOUGHT" (what an original name!):

First off, I never advocated eliminating defense attorneys, as they are an integral part of our criminal justice system. I suggest you reread my last post repeatedly until you can comprehend what I wrote. With all due respect "JUSTATHOUGHT", it is you who is ignorant.

Secondly, to "Aha": My 5th grade notes have somehow gotten lost, but I refer you to the US Supreme Court Decision of Hickman vs Taylor, 329 U.S. 495 (1947) which states in part: (Historically, a lawyer is an officer of the court and is bound to work for the advancement of justice while faithfully protecting the rightful interests of his clients. In performing his various duties, however, it is essential that a lawyer work with a certain degree of privacy, free from unnecessary intrusion by opposing parties and their counsel).

Quote:And when a defendant is found not guilty, even when you don't like the defense, that means the defendant is not guilty and the lawyer did his job.
This does not mean the defendant is innocent, it simply means that a judge or jury has found the person not guilty of the charges, because of a skilled defense attorney or for any other reason. Guilty people are often found not guilty after trial, which by the way is fine with me as long as the judicial process was not somehow subverted by a conniving defense attorney. Certainly not all attorneys play fast and loose with the rules, but there are enough of them around that the public perception of lawyers ranks right up there with used car salesmen and politicians. There's a reason for that.

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[Summer Of Love]

Mr. Lavine appears to be a highly socially committed individual from a liberal perspective. He is a product of University of Wisconsin, Class of 1969, a radicalized campus in a year of sharp social concern. Mr. Lavine subsequently attended New York Law School, and worked in the Legal Aid Society, then entered private practice as a criminal defender. He has also willingly taken on the cause of "unpopular" clients, such as terrorists and cop killers.

Many lawyers, even in the criminal defense bar, would not take on such clients. A high profile trial involving an loathesome accused can dominate the work of a small office and prevent the lawyer from taking small cases with better turn around time, which can result in more profitability. It therefore can be inferred that Mr. Lavine was deeply moved by his experiences in the 1960's, and as a public and private defender. It can also be inferred that he takes on such causes without reservation regarding the toll that such cases may take on a practitioner. This in and of itself is admirable.

There is no doubt that Mr. Lavine is a man of principal and a man who will stand up against the whole society, on behalf of a man who is accused. Even an accused terrorist. Or an accused cop killer.

This positive attribute, however, may not translate well to a political career. As a zealous advocate, Mr. Lavine's commitment to higher principals permits him to defend those whose acts are considered by many to be "indefensible." Some advocates who specialize in the so called hard cases, such as the late William Kunstler or the apparently crazed Lynne Stewart, wind up identifying with the positions of the accused. In the case of Lynne Stewart, she clearly crossed the line, as she did in the terrorism cases and with "Larry Davis," a vicious drug dealer and murder who became a r on the political left.

Mr. Lavine's background does ultimately raise the question of whether or not he is too radical for the district, even if he can demonstrate that he is revolted by the acts his clients were accused of. Mr. Lavine is going to have to address the legitimate concern of voters that he is either a) too far left for the district, or b) merely a Tom Suozzi flunky.

Will Mr. Lavine go to Albany as an advocate for his own district? Or for Suozzi? Or for his liberal principals? Mr. Lavine has heavily and overly relied upon Tom Suozzi and has not demonstrated that he is his own person. This is particularly dangerous, since to this point, his political fortunes are tied to Mr. Suozzi, and since his race has been almost exclusively a referendum on Suozzi.

Will Mr. Lavine eventually have the strength of character to represent his district first, even if the needs of his district run contrary to the wishes of Tom Suozzi or the Assembly Leadership? Will Mr. Lavine support the death penalty, like Lew Yevoli did when Mario Cuomo was governor? Will Mr. Lavine stand up for his district when competing against urban districts for money and resources? Or will he cave in, because his district is "affluent" and other districts may be "disadvantaged?" Will Mr. Lavine be perceived in Albany as a man in his own right, or will he be seen as Tom Suozzi's "spy?"

The 13th Assembly District is a "safe" Democratic District. Mr. Lavine is the HIGHLY likely victor in November. One wonders if Mr. Lavine has clearly thought through the implications of the widespread perception that he his "Tom Suozzi's man in Albany," and how that may impact his overall effectiveness.

[Aha]

Now that was a thoughtful post. Rational, well-founded and legitimate.

[jeeze]

How sad are you people. The little people caught in the democratic revolt, having to finally do some work....angry....and now venting here with no names or fake ones. Insanity. This is the culture of the party. Bitch here because you are pissed that you are finally called to work and not sit on your fat asses and breeze by. no one in the deomcratic party knows anything about work and no one has ever had to do workand now that changes. So go on little piggies cry here but you know things are going to get tougher. Cry. Work. Give money. then come bitch here. and Cry Again.

[Aha]

Quote:and now venting here with no names or fake ones.So why did your mommy decide to name you jeeze? Dope

[Tommy]

Unfortunatly for Chad Brisbane and Mr levine, while photo opping in Albany last week, Tom Suozzi told them "Not to get to exceited" about the up comming election's.Mr Brisbane has been let out to dry, and Mr.levines record is catching up with him. Tommy just may be in very big trouble.
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[nassau gal]

What kind of people are willing to be coddled by Tom Suozzi or anyone for that matter? A real man or woman should want to stand on his or her own two feet so when the time comes they can be free to vote as they please and think for themselves. Anyone who knows Tom knows you do it is way or you are hung out to dry.

[dumpsuozzi]

we all received a subliminal photo of Chad Brisbane in the mail today with his right hand looking like a male organ, while standing next to a women of "spanish decent" who would not be eligable for MEDICARE for another 40 years?

PS Tommy boy and his gal pal Kim Devlin, we all grew up in the era when they tried to make us eat popcorn in movie theaters in the same way.

FIX ALBANY, a picture tell's a thousandwords. Guess what we read, we look and we pay tax's.

[At the Rock]

She must be one of the cleaning woman from the Piping Rock Club.

[JJD]

Subtle high comedy at its best. The photo galleries are painful to look at. It's the sort of thing the Onion used to do (when it was funny) highlighting a campaign by an incredibly stiff candidate with an equally incredible deer-in-the-headlights look about him. Check it out.
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[and dont forget]

the jewish racist lawyer who wants to put kids to death