New Budget

[nassau boy]

No one is going to discuss the new budget just announced today?

[Disgruntled Taxpayer V]

My aren't we putting the cart before the horse? At this point, this so called budget is a press release, or a "summary" of a "proposed budget." The devil may still be in the details. The full budget is due Sept. 15. Nassau lawmakers have until Oct. 30 to adopt a 2006 budget. Besides, how can anyone trust a document which was drafted with the input of Suozzi's crackjack team of Tony C, Michael Klein, that chesty woman in IT who quit because she never went to work and allegedly lied on her time sheets, Shomwa and the like to draft something that is nothing but fluff work for the bonding agencies. These nasty little scandals which seem to crop up belie the reliability of any representation made by the Suozzi Administration. But as Michael Savage woud say, "just one man's opinion."

To me, a government is only as good as its commitment to ethics and quality. You can't have good government if the services which are delivered are garbage, and you can't trust a government where the officers have suspect character and questionable veracity. Gee, I wonder if the accused money laundering Democratic judge is going to join the administration soon. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

[nassau boy]

The chesty woman from IT works on the budget? Mike Klein works on the budget even though he's been gone a while? Do you know this or are you hoping that's true? Seems like you don't want to discuss the budget. You'd rather use any topic as an opportunity to re-hash anything that can be remotely and negatively associated with the county executive.

Sounds to me like you don't WANT to trust the document and you won't no matter how many independent entities may approve of it.

I guess we should long for the days of the prior administration when there were no scandals, and everything was ethical and clean, huh?

I believe the summary that you are talking about it a huge book that may aleady be on the county website by now. But we wouldn't want to let details and facts get in the way of partisanship, would we? Same old, same old.

I guess I'll check back in after 9/15 and 10/30 to get your negative...I mean, objective opinion of the details.

[nassau boy]

You said I was jumping the gun by asking if anyone wanted to discuss the budget at this point, when its just a press release and summary. That's pretty funny.

I guess no one here EVER jumps to discuss a topic until it is thoroughly and factually confirmed, huh? No one here ever hears a rumor and posts it just so they can start a bashing session about the administration, huh? Nah, that never happens. No one here ever comes across a tiny tidbit of gossip or rumor and then posts it, which is followed by a dozen other people wondering who could be involved and coming to conclusions based on absolutely no facts whatsoever. That never happens here either, right?

And even though the budget has not been adopted yet, there's nothing wrong with someone asking if anyone wants to discuss what we HAVE heard thus far. Unless what we have heard thus far about the budget opposes your political preference, and that's the REASON you don't want it brought up. Ah, makes sense now.

I hope we can avoid responses with name calling from some cyber tough guys. The last refuge of people with nothing substantive to say.

[Path of least resistance]

I read the Newsday article on the proposed budget. To say that it was a glamour piece is a bit of an understatement.

Suozzi's "accomplishment" took absolutely no brains. Let me say it again: IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO RAISE TAXES. The only reason he doesn't have to raise them again is because he knows he can't...not with the economic uncertainty we are facing. Also, lest we forget, Nassau County residents are already taxed to the breaking point, so another raise was out of the question.


You said I was jumping the gun by asking if anyone wanted to discuss the budget at this point, when its just a press release and summary. That's pretty funny.

I guess no one here EVER jumps to discuss a topic until it is thoroughly and factually confirmed, huh? No one here ever hears a rumor and posts it just so they can start a bashing session about the administration, huh? Nah, that never happens. No one here ever comes across a tiny tidbit of gossip or rumor and then posts it, which is followed by a dozen other people wondering who could be involved and coming to conclusions based on absolutely no facts whatsoever. That never happens here either, right?

And even though the budget has not been adopted yet, there's nothing wrong with someone asking if anyone wants to discuss what we HAVE heard thus far. Unless what we have heard thus far about the budget opposes your political preference, and that's the REASON you don't want it brought up. Ah, makes sense now.

I hope we can avoid responses with name calling from some cyber tough guys. The last refuge of people with nothing substantive to say.

[Lucky Tom 002]

Hey Guys. Love your stuff.

You all are right.

I got lucky!

---Un precedented Sales Tax increase.

---Lowest Interest rates in 50 years to refinance debt.

I'm off the hook

Got to go. Lunch with Peter Sylver and Mike Klein.

[Not Just Lucky but....]

Tommy Suozzi treats tax payers like Bill Clinton treats interns, and Pete Sylver treats co-workers..... Yeah, we get a tax hike in 2002 that continues without a roll back.... Nassau doesn't participate in the retail sales tax holiday.... Nassau doesn't even think of slashing gasoline taxes. Nassau raises user fees and then neglects the public parks. Funny, these clowns even recently "found" a park somewhere in North Hempstead, I heard. We see systemic mismanagement on all levels of government. No show jobs are unprecedented under Suozzi..... And we're to trust any worthless piece of paper called a "budget" as vedic truth? I wasn't born yesterday pal! :lol:



Hey Guys. Love your stuff.

You all are right.

I got lucky!

---Un precedented Sales Tax increase.

---Lowest Interest rates in 50 years to refinance debt.

I'm off the hook

Got to go. Lunch with Peter Sylver and Mike Klein.

[hedgehog]

Then what you're saying is that Peterson has no credibility until he promises to roll back the tax hike. Haven't heard him say that.

[disgruntled taxpayer V]

Then what you're saying is that Peterson has no credibility until he promises to roll back the tax hike. Haven't heard him say that.


Peterson will be in an interesting position if he wins. He'll have to fire alot of Suozzi people, no question. But that will not be without budgetary consequences. It actually costs money to achieve a reduction in labor force. He will have to pay for unused vacation and sick time. And the Suozzi hacks rigged it so that they will gain life time health benefits for the County, even for minimal services rendered. The Suozzi Administration had to make significant adjustments when they initially underestimated the cost of reducing the labor force. Fortunately, for Suozzi, the County was sufficiently taxed at such a level that he was able to hire the cronies he wanted. I see Republican and Conservative (State Level) proposals to roll back the gas and sales taxes. I never trust politicians when it comes to tax time, and I would hope that Peterson can elaborate a more profound position on reducing taxes, at least during his debate with Mr. Suozzi, which hopefully will be enlightening.

[The Mineola Mirage]

Amazing, how Tom Suozzi, a man who admires Mike Dukakis, would borrow his idol's campaign slogan and apply it to Nassau County. So where is that Budget, Arty G? Devil's in the details, saliva boy.

[The Real Nassau Boy]

Gotta be Art Gianelli!

[Disgruntled Taxpayer V]

Hey, Arty G and Nassau Boy.... You're late..... You challenged me, and you lost...... Take a powder.

[riddle me this arty boy]

If your budget was such a triumph, why did you deliver it late Friday evening? Everyone knows that Saturday is dog day in the press. This document must be a real stinker. Bedtime for Tom Suozzi, I guess.

[nassau boy]

Disgruntled said I challenged him and lost? Well, I don't know how that can be since I responded to him and he said nothing in reply. But I guess you can always be a winner if you just TELL yourself you won. That's quite an insecure person who has to proclaim him/herself the winner of an anonymous debate.

As far as the"riddle" guy, the budget was not delivered on a Friday.
That's a FACT. You know what FACTS are, don't you? Care to clue us in on how you know it was delivered on a Friday? That will be tough to do, because it wasn't. If you don't tell us how you KNOW, then please don't waste our time. I saw on the news that a press conference was held last MONDAY. How is Monday as a news day? Any better? Nice try.

Finally, I'd like to hear people stop whining about how Suozzi had it so easy because he raised taxes, because I will once again refer to my post about 2 months ago, in which I asked people what he should have done INSTEAD of raise taxes, and I got a whopping ONE serious reply. You're all like movie critics who have never written, produced or acted in a movie, but you sure you know how to criticize.

I swear, if Suozzi ran into a burning building and saved orphans and puppies you'd all still manage to find a way to spin it negatively. That's the saddest part of all. Everyone here is just spinning their wheels, no one is open to anything anyone else has to say, or to changing their position on anything.

Now one of you can fart or belch and declare it a victory.

[nassau boy]

As far as the delivery of the budget, does anyone really think that the timing of the delivery would prevent anyone who wants to from finding out the details and ripping it apart if that's what they are intent on doing? Grow up.

[FYI.co]

Budget delivered as 11th hour neared


BY CELESTE HADRICK
STAFF WRITER

September 17, 2005


When he released his 2006 budget summary amid much fanfare Monday, Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi bragged about how he differed from his Republican predecessor.

"I submit my 2006 year budget, a few days early ... a long way from the old days in Nassau where budgets were sent over in the darkness of night ...," Suozzi said.

But it turns out Suozzi did exactly that on Thursday, submitting his official 2006 proposed budget and charter-required four-year plan to the legislative clerk at 10:27 p.m.

County legislators had considered the close of the business day Sept. 15 as the deadline, until then-County Executive Thomas Gulotta submitted his last budget at 11:58 p.m. on the due date.

Deputy County Executive Arthur Giannelli, who oversees the budget process, said it was his decision to deliver the $2.4-billion budget document in the evening, to allow time for editing and proofreading, particularly of the four-year plan.

"There is nothing in any statute that says 5 p.m.," Giannelli said. "We provide such incredibly substantive information about Nassau County's finances, that it seems to me not unreasonable that the county would take its time to put that information together."

But Republican legislative spokesman Ed Ward said, "The end of the business day is 5 p.m. That's when the budget should be filed. At 10:27 p.m. people are home with their families." Filing so late means lawmakers lose a day to review the plan, he said.

"That's almost too nonsensical to respond to," said Presiding Officer Judy Jacobs (D-Woodbury).

[Arthur Geeeeeeeeeeee]

Raises and extra seminar expenses are built into the budget. Find them! *PS Seminars are out of control.)

[Sian Eagle]

All I do is plant petunias in Glen Cove. Dont blame me, please!

[Seminars]

Hey REPS! They have built in seminar, conference to the tune of a FORTUNE> Its your issue to exploit!

[Disgruntled Taxpayer V]

As far as the delivery of the budget, does anyone really think that the timing of the delivery would prevent anyone who wants to from finding out the details and ripping it apart if that's what they are intent on doing? Grow up.

Gee, you're the one who needs to "grow up," Nassau Boy By your own description you're a boy and not a man.

In the adult world, it is understood that timing is always everything in politics. A late Friday announcement means - as opposed to an early Tuesday announcement - means that you have a non-story rather than a story. This was planned to be a stealth maneuver... no question.....Tommy Boy has something to hide... Must be all of those seminars folks are talking about.

[nassau boy]

"In the adult world, it is understood that timing is always everything in politics"

You're exactly right. Timing IS everything, and that's the pitiful part.
The CONTENT of the budget is what SHOULD be everything. THAT's what should matter, but it doesn't. People like you are so intent on partisan bashing that you can't even wait to see the budget itself, you have to start the bashing right from the beginning, on anything and everything that presents itself. If you don't have an answer or a reason, you presume one that fits you agenda.

If the budget was submitted at any particular time, why don't you at least admit that....

1) you don't know exactly WHAT was done
2) you don't know WHY it was done, and
3) you just don't care.

DO YOU know what was done or why? If so, tell us how you know.

Suozzi could have flown the budget on a banner behind a plane over the entire county for all to see prior to the due date and you'd still come up with a way to criticize THAT.

Oh, and I'm really hurt that you criticized my manhood by calling me a boy. You're such a manly man. Where do I go to become just like you?

[nassau boy]

This quote from the article is actually funny:

"But Republican legislative spokesman Ed Ward said, "The end of the business day is 5 p.m. That's when the budget should be filed. At 10:27 p.m. people are home with their families." Filing so late means lawmakers lose a day to review the plan, he said."

What? They never heard of working late? Every single day in every job across this country, people receive things at a time later than expected, and they just work late or make up the hours on other days or on the weekends. I guess Gianelli's comment about wanting to get it right is not something any of you value.

Another funny thing is how any time NEWSDAY says something good about this administration, the people here say that the paper is a rag that is Suozzi's lapdog, but when they say something negative about him, you accept it as irrefutable fact.

Again, pitiful. Now we await the inevitable bashing of the details, too.

[you make me laugh boy]

I think Eddie has it right. Normal folks end the business day at 5 pm. Some linger until 6, 7, or 8. But 10:27 p.m., get real! Are you one of those types who leaves unpleasant information for your boss in 2 a.m. voice mail calls? You sound like it. And again, the deal is this. Suozzi has an apparently cozy relationship with the Newsday editorial board and some of the less impressive newswriters, the Monty Youngs of the world. Celeste has been on the beat a long time and is trying to cover Mineola in a fair and objective way, and you guys can't handle that.

Sorry about calling you a "boy," but you really set yourself up for that one. I took a cheap and easy shot just to see you blow a gasket. I sort of feel like one of those callers to the Howard Stern show who picked on John the Stutterer when he filled in for Stuttering John on the switchboard. You're an easy target, Nassau Boy. And I just couldn't help myself. I will try to exercise restraint in the future. Then again, there is nothing I like more in the world than watching someone through a temper tantrum. I find that entertaining in a pervese way, and having fun at the expense of others is definitely a flaw in my character.




This quote from the article is actually funny:

"But Republican legislative spokesman Ed Ward said, "The end of the business day is 5 p.m. That's when the budget should be filed. At 10:27 p.m. people are home with their families." Filing so late means lawmakers lose a day to review the plan, he said."

What? They never heard of working late? Every single day in every job across this country, people receive things at a time later than expected, and they just work late or make up the hours on other days or on the weekends. I guess Gianelli's comment about wanting to get it right is not something any of you value.

Another funny thing is how any time NEWSDAY says something good about this administration, the people here say that the paper is a rag that is Suozzi's lapdog, but when they say something negative about him, you accept it as irrefutable fact.

Again, pitiful. Now we await the inevitable bashing of the details, too.

[nassau boy]

Ho hum, let the lying continue...
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You said:
Sorry about calling you a "boy," but you really set yourself up for that one. I took a cheap and easy shot just to see you blow a gasket.

This is so embarrassing for you. It is obvious no one blew a gasket, but again, if you tell yourself it happened it must be true, huh? That's the easy way for you to feel that you've had an impact. It was also very revealing to see you reply to a real issue by taking a cheap shot with the intent of getting an irrational response. I guess if you can't speak with substance, then game playing is all that's left, and it is obviously NOT beneath you. I gave you too much credit.
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You know, earlier in this thread someone said "the devil is in the details" concerning the budget. That's true. Nice to see so many people here interested in facts and details. But over a month ago I asked where the Rep's got the 42.3% tax increase figure that has been in their ads, and yet none of the detail oriented people here stepped up to PROVIDE any such details, so don't any of you claim that you are so interested in truth and accuracy. I'm sure you won't answer it now, either.
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You said:
Then again, there is nothing I like more in the world than watching someone through a temper tantrum.

First of all, the word is "throw", not "through", and that's not a petty correction and not a "typo". If you're going to belittle someone else, you better be able to speak the language first. We all make typos. You're just ignorant.

Second, where exactly was my temper tantrum? I'd ask you to point it out but any time I've asked for proof of anything here I just get silence. I have been called names here without any provocation but then I'M the one "throughing" the tantrum? This is like dealing with a group of children.

My first few trips to this board were just to ask questions, and I've never gotten any answers, just ill-informed partisans like yourself spewing the same old stuff and patting themselves on the back for typing it correctly. Oh, wait. You failed at THAT, too.

As far as NEWSDAY having a cozy relationship with Suozzi, I guess its only cozy when it complments him, huh?

Finally, I also asked anyone who complained about the budget coming in late to state WHAT they know and HOW they know it, and you didn't say anything. You just made self serving assumptions about MY work habits, with, as usual, no basis, no facts and no reason to believe them, except for the fact that they help your argument. Good job. Keep fabricating if that's what you need to do to win. LOL!

Please keep a Fisher-Price Dictionary by the computer for your next post...ok?

[Hi Ian]

Hi Ian!

[you still make me laugh]

Oh, "through" versus throw..... You got me. I'm mortally wounded. Now go back to bending over for Herr Suozzi like a nice Nassau "boy!" :lol: And give Pete Sylver and Judge Gross my regards. :lol:

[even more belly laughs]

Oh, "through" versus throw..... You got me. I'm mortally wounded. Now go back to bending over for Herr Suozzi like a nice Nassau "boy!" :lol: And give Pete Sylver and Judge Gross my regards. :lol:

Ok, do when you work at 10:30 pm for Mr. Suozzi, what services are you REALLY performing...... :lol:

[fifi]

Hi guys I don't want to get in the middle of your bickering and I will preface this by saying I did not read every word of the exchange going on about the timeliness (or lack thereof) of suozzi's budget. I am just adding my 2 cents. The offensive thing, to me anyway, was not that the budget was delivered at 10:27 pm (which in and of itself is offensive) but that Suozzi and people in his adm. have criticized past administrations for delivering it at the eleventh hour in the past. I mean Suozzi ripped Gulotta for it publicly time and again. So if you want to debate when the working day ends...well go ahead thats one fight but at the end of the day both parties are guilty of the same thing.

[riddle us this Nassau Boy]

Looks like Suozzi has lots to hide and lots to spin.... Ole Pretty Boy apparently doesn't want to give out the details on his Uniondale Nassau Coliseum taxpayer rip off, urbanization scheme, graft debacle. Even Newsday is chagrined. Read on, pathetic Nassau Boy, and spin this away:

Deadline extended for Coliseum site


BY CELESTE HADRICK
STAFF WRITER


Builders wanting more time to submit proposals for renovating the Nassau Coliseum and developing its 77-acre site are getting a partial two-week extension.

Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi gave notice Friday that developers who submit a proposal by the existing deadline of Oct. 1 will be allowed to provide additional information about their projects through Oct. 14.


Suozzi also posted on the county Web site that he will be available, by appointment, on Wednesday to answer builders' questions about developing the county-owned property.

The Association For a Better Long Island, a builders' group, had asked Suozzi last week for an additional 45 days to submit proposals, saying the existing time frame is too short to come up with a credible plan.

Suozzi already has a tentative deal with Charles Wang, owner of the Islanders hockey team, to renovate the aging arena in Uniondale and develop the site. Wang has announced plans for an office-retail center anchored by a 60-story tower dubbed "the Lighthouse." Yielding to critics of the closed-door deal, Suozzi issued a request for proposals on Aug. 12, giving developers 45 days to submit a better plan.

Desmond Ryan, the association's executive director, said, "I would think for the good of the tax payers of Nassau County that he should at least extend the courtesy for the 45 days we requested."

The extension consists of only 10 business days, Ryan said. "It may put individuals who are attempting to put together a comprehensive package at a competitive disadvantage. It still appears the fix is in."

But Suozzi said, "From the beginning of this process, I've always said to developers if they had a better proposal to make it to me ... If someone is serious, 45 days is a sufficient period."

Suozzi said he agreed to the additional two weeks "so no one can have an excuse that they didn't have enough time."


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[ouch nassau boy!]

Cat got your tongue. Guess your bs finally caught up with you.

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