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Street Conservative
01-19-2012, 08:12 AM
New Yorkers voting with their feet – By George J. Marlin
Posted January 15, 2012 by streetcornerconservative
Categories: Articles/Essays/Op-Ed


The following appears in the January 13-19, 2012 issue of the Long Island Business News:

In the first decade of the 21st century, the Empire State suffered a loss of 1.6 million citizens to other parts of the nation. The Manhattan Institute’s Empire Center in Albany has reported that 60 percent moved to the South and 30 percent established residences in neighboring lower tax states of Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Connecticut.

Other vital statistics concerning outward-bound New Yorkers:

In the past half-century, New York lost 7.3 million residents to other states. The net loss, after factoring in 4.8 million foreign immigrants, was 2.5 million.

For the past two decades, New York’s net population loss as a percentage of population was the highest of the 50 states.

Households that have bolted had average incomes about 22 percent higher than those who relocated to New York; $58,899 versus $48,432. According to the IRS, migrants from New York earned $3.3 billion more than migrants to New York in 2009.

The loss of all these people, Empire Center chief E.J. McMahon has observed, “is the ultimate barometer of New York’s attractiveness as a place to live and do business. It’s the ultimate indication that we’ve been doing things wrong.”

Nassau County, where I live, had a net loss of 3 percent of its population in the last decade. The average income of migrants in 2008-2009 was $67,311, while the average income of new residents from other states was $54,683 – an 18.7 percent drop.



There are a number of reasons why people are fleeing Nassau. First, blue-collar workers have been forced to find employment in other parts of the country due to the huge drop in manufacturing jobs on Long Island. Next, young people, after finishing school, leave the nest to find jobs and affordable housing in states with a lower cost of living. (A recent poll revealed that 36 percent of New Yorkers under 30 planned to leave.) Finally, retirees living on a fixed income are skedaddling to states like Florida, where housing is cheap and taxes are low.

In my neighborhood of New Hyde Park, scores of seniors who bought Cape Cods in the 1970s and paid off their mortgages years ago have put “for sale” signs on their front lawns. Even though the value of their home has dropped since the 2008 crash, they figure they’ll still be way ahead of the game living in Florida. The average Cape Cod house that was worth $500,000 in 2008 may be off 30 percent, but the houses they’re looking at in Florida are off more than 60 percent. Seniors who net $355,000 for their home in New Hyde Park can replicate it in the Sunshine State for $100,000 and live off the $250,000 net proceeds. On top of that, they will have an additional $6,000 a year in disposable income because their annual property taxes will drop from around $8,000 to $2,000.

As long as New York continues to have the highest combined taxes in the nation, expect the stampede of the young and old to continue and for the tax burden to become more onerous on those of us left behind.

Unregistered Question
01-20-2012, 08:43 PM
George Marlin wrote " The average Cape Cod house that was worth $500,000 in 2008 may be off 30 percent, but the houses they’re looking at in Florida are off more than 60 percent. "

Why, dear George, did cheaper houses in a low-tax nirvana like Florida decline twice as much as a high-tax hell New York?

Unregistered i live in
01-20-2012, 11:34 PM
Georgie for 40 years and never seen you do anything for your home town. U and the jerk from port washington, big mouths as school taxes go thru the roof all the time ur big mouths are moving. ur nifa appointment by suozzi, is that why u never bashed him, but u bash mangano as mangano freezes taxes for two years in a row, the town of north hempstead u live in raises them 14% and what did nhp-gcp sd#5 and the great neck sd geniuses do to those wonderful cape cods? - you do nothing three peice empty suit. ur half life of radioactivity is just about up. stop taking out ur disappointment and sub-par performance at the port authority and disdain for george pataki out on the rest of us. and what have you ever done of New Hyde Park bitch? tell us. let us know blow hard. U are the post boy of a real empty suit. all talk and liberal ron stack and chris wright, former suozzi right hand man, and now nifa board member, bitch that u are.

Unregistered Question
01-20-2012, 11:51 PM
In fairness to this Brother George, he did endorse Ed Mangano when the Conservative Party (so-called) took money from a key Suozzi backer to run a shill candidate. Marlin is not a Suozzi appointee to NIFA. He was recommended to Governor Paterson by Senate Majority Leader Smith.

If you've ever talked to him, you'd know that he has no love for tax-happy special districts and municipalities (e.g. North Hempstead Town). You hear from him mostly on Nassau County because of his NIFA duties. If he were a NHIFA director, he'd give Kaiman & Co an even harder time.

Unregisteredplease
01-21-2012, 01:33 AM
In fairness to this Brother George, he did endorse Ed Mangano when the Conservative Party (so-called) took money from a key Suozzi backer to run a shill candidate. Marlin is not a Suozzi appointee to NIFA. He was recommended to Governor Paterson by Senate Majority Leader Smith.

If you've ever talked to him, you'd know that he has no love for tax-happy special districts and municipalities (e.g. North Hempstead Town). You hear from him mostly on Nassau County because of his NIFA duties. If he were a NHIFA director, he'd give Kaiman & Co an even harder time.

Marlin is essentially a talking head who appears to have a genuine disdain for GOPers who actually work in government. He has a history of undermining Republican officeholders, be it Guiliani, Pataki, and now Mangano.

Marlin was recommended to NIFA through that great champion of conservative thought, Craig Johnson. While Marlin backed Mangano he did so to stick a thumb in the eye of a campaign where Suozzi's conservative opponent held an appointed job in the Administration.

Marlin perhaps does not want his own third party candidacy for Mayor of NYC to be reinterpreted as him being a "Dinkins shill" the way the conservative opponents for Tom Suozzi in 2005 and 2009 came to be seen as "Suozzi shills, " especially with the historic reality that Marlin was not continued in his job at the Port Authority and subsequently became a fierce critic of Guiliani and Pataki soon after his unfortunate separation from the Port Authority.

Marlin craves the attention he gets as a conservative outsider social critic, even if in the end he is merely a "useful idiot" for such right wing luminaries as Dave Dinkins, Craig Johnson, and Jay Jacobs. In the end, the bluer NY State becomes, the more this plays to Marlin's self appointed role as the voice of consceince within the conservative movement, because he can play the John the Baptist role as "the voice crying out in the wilderness."

As Dan Quayle once said, "a mind is a terrible thing to lose." Poor George.

Yeah yeah,
01-24-2012, 08:29 PM
Marlin is essentially a talking head who appears to have a genuine disdain for GOPers who actually work in government. He has a history of undermining Republican officeholders, be it Guiliani, Pataki, and now Mangano.

Marlin was recommended to NIFA through that great champion of conservative thought, Craig Johnson. While Marlin backed Mangano he did so to stick a thumb in the eye of a campaign where Suozzi's conservative opponent held an appointed job in the Administration.

Marlin perhaps does not want his own third party candidacy for Mayor of NYC to be reinterpreted as him being a "Dinkins shill" the way the conservative opponents for Tom Suozzi in 2005 and 2009 came to be seen as "Suozzi shills, " especially with the historic reality that Marlin was not continued in his job at the Port Authority and subsequently became a fierce critic of Guiliani and Pataki soon after his unfortunate separation from the Port Authority.

Marlin craves the attention he gets as a conservative outsider social critic, even if in the end he is merely a "useful idiot" for such right wing luminaries as Dave Dinkins, Craig Johnson, and Jay Jacobs. In the end, the bluer NY State becomes, the more this plays to Marlin's self appointed role as the voice of consceince within the conservative movement, because he can play the John the Baptist role as "the voice crying out in the wilderness."

As Dan Quayle once said, "a mind is a terrible thing to lose." Poor George.

Yes some of your points are fair but what about Mr. Donovan who now runs the Nassau Conservative party. He was there when Roger Bogstead ran amok and he did absolutely nothing except get more jobs from the towns. Come now, there is plenty of blame to go around.

RealCon
01-24-2012, 10:04 PM
what about Mr. Donovan who now runs the Nassau Conservative party. He was there when Roger Bogstead ran amok and he did absolutely nothing except get more jobs from the towns. Come now, there is plenty of blame to go around.

The poster to whom you respond got a job -- at Donovan's insistence -- with the county over the objections of the Republicans in that person's department. You'll not get any criticism of Donovan in reply. I like Donovan personally. He's an old-fashioned Chelsea brawler-type, but not a sophisticated leader.

Yeah, yeah
01-24-2012, 11:35 PM
The poster to whom you respond got a job -- at Donovan's insistence -- with the county over the objections of the Republicans in that person's department. You'll not get any criticism of Donovan in reply. I like Donovan personally. He's an old-fashioned Chelsea brawler-type, but not a sophisticated leader.

Yes, you are correct, not sophisticated but that it not necessarily the issue. Each person is equal regardless of their approach, the problem is with his accomplishments. Looking out for friends and family should never be the sole focus of a party. Thats a sign of a party withering on the vine. Do you remember what pataki did to the NY GOP?

Unregistered 345
01-26-2012, 12:08 AM
George Marlin wrote " The average Cape Cod house that was worth $500,000 in 2008 may be off 30 percent, but the houses they’re looking at in Florida are off more than 60 percent. "

Why, dear George, did cheaper houses in a low-tax nirvana like Florida decline twice as much as a high-tax hell New York?

You are arguing against facts, yes Florida had a greater decline because they were more overpriced than Nassau.

Tell me, who is the new buyer taking over the $400K house in Levittown with the $12K in taxes, the real estate in Nassau is not going anywhere.