NC PBA NOMINATIONS

[lets see]

Nominations for the executive board are in a week.

How is the current administration doing?

Do they derserve to be elected again?

Glad you posted! My reps have said nothing about any nominations. What positions are up? Didn't they all just get elected?

But in reponse to your inquiry.

I have seen no change in our union. Different faces, same act. Promises, promises and haven't seen one of them since they got in. Guess they will be making their campaign rounds again. This time, I'll know better.

Give the guys a chance.

You say, "give the guys a chance?" They've had their chance. They may not have been in the same positions as they are now, but they have been either Trustee or Delegate for many years. They never challenged Gary knowing that Gary was going to annoint them with guaranteed bucks, unlimited time off and an expense account. The new guys have been in there since January 1st and they can show me nothing new. Blast them!

[vote for change]

someone has to run against these complacent self-servers!!!

Any contenders yet.

[talk soup]

there are a few coming forth and are putting their names in the hat. all are well spoken intelligent people. they will be a strong team, tough to beat. it's a diverse group (not all male whites) all who can pull their own. watch out for these independent thinkers who are highly capable of taking care of us while at the same time maintaining a decent and respectful relationship with suozzi and HQ (for a change). insiders say 2 or 3 of them already sat down with one top boss and has his "behind the scenes" backing!

sounds good looking forward to seeing who it is

[its OUR money]

Expense accounts? What a bunch of garbage. These new guys promise to get rid of that waste of money and they have my vote.

Gary's boys are making themselves a little too much at home.

its our money,

You got to help the cause. Encourage people to run. An unopposed ballot is a non-existent ballot!!! We need people to step forward and challenge every position.

you guys just like to talk and stir it up, get a hobby

[Flatfoot]

Its time for a change in the Union. They have feathered there beds at our expense AA pay 3 hrs O.T. a week in there mini's. God knows what else they get that they dont share. Thet have just about ignored every specialty unit since there thought is all details are on the tit. Im all for taking care of these guys if we all gain but they gain and we make concessions!!! Even with the new guys in seems business as usual. Instead of allways being neck and neck with Suffolk they have become the premier agency(hats off too you) and we are lagging further behind. an old saying goes were number 1 we try hard! were number 2 we dont try at all. be safe

flatfoot,

Are you interested in running? Do you know anyone who will run? Don't let them slide in unopposed!!!

[running]

OH, they are not gonna be unopposed. From what I hear there is a movement going on with 2 separate teams.

Teams? Who? You gotta be kidding! What are you trying to split the vote and sneak one in? Won't work.

there are a few coming forth and are putting their names in the hat. all are well spoken intelligent people. they will be a strong team, tough to beat. it's a diverse group (not all male whites) all who can pull their own. watch out for these independent thinkers who are highly capable of taking care of us while at the same time maintaining a decent and respectful relationship with suozzi and HQ (for a change). insiders say 2 or 3 of them already sat down with one top boss and has his "behind the scenes" backing!

I don't think the Chief of patrol and the PC are eligible to run....

Bottom line is this, it's business as usual for the modern day "union", sell out the membership to line your own pockets. I dont care what gung ho new guy we put in, after a little while he will realize it is much easier to line his own pockets at the expense of the membership. Same is the case in all unions these days, not just PBA.

Who said anything about a chief or PC? All that was said was that there was a good working relationship being established.

As far as the next post goes: Yes, you maybe right about all unions being the same, but we do not have to stand for it. We can be heard and try to keep them honest.

Nominations are this Thursday; encourage someone to run and more importantly vote column B.

[overheard this]

Overheard two reps talking the other day. They think change is forthcoming and mentioned something about worry at the front office.

Hey, 3 pct. make sure you have O2 and the defib!

[topsey]

First there is nothing wrong with wanting change or wanting to oppose any board member running....if you think you can do better or have more to offer...more power to u. But where is all the anger from? Are you saying that you think that the current adm.(pba) has screwed you? has gotten unfair deals? Is not pulling HIS weight? And as far as having a more cordial relationship with suozzi and/or commish? that is pretty scary....how about getting a commissioner that can act independently instead of as a puppet to the C.E. Its true they are to serve AT the pleasure of the C.E. but not at the mercy of.....

where is all the anger from?
Are you saying that you think that the current adm.(pba) has screwed you?
has gotten unfair deals?
Is not pulling HIS weight?
And as far as having a more cordial relationship with suozzi and/or commish?


Here are your answers:
Being realistic should not be misconstrued as being angry
Yes
Yes
Yes
Lastly, how is your last comment a question?

[topsey]

Here are your answers:
Being realistic should not be misconstrued as being angry
Yes
Yes
Yes
Lastly, how is your last comment a question?[/quote]

I'm sorry that was not posed correctly. I was questioning the statement regarding having someone that can have a more peaceful relationship with the p.c. and suozzi. It would be a nice idea if you had a police commissioner that could think and act on his own instead of being at the mercy of the C.E. whether he agrees with him or not. And regardless of how you feel about the PBA board I think it is quite clear that Tom Suozzi has been no friend of police officers and while James Lawrence may be a decent human being he does not have the freedom to be anything more than a puppet for Suozzi and that is very sad.

What you say is quite true about Suozzi, but maybe so because of the arrogance of our PBA president who was used to writing his own ticket with former C.E. Gulotta. Maybe so, because Gary never had to cultivate a political relationship before and doesn't know how to. Look at his past relationship with the former Legislative Leader, Peter Schmidt. There was none until they had a common foe. Look at his relationship with the present Legislative Leader, Judy Jacobs; it's horrible. This guy is more pompous than Suozzi. Suozzi only hates the cops because of Gary. Suozzi's involvement with running our department is as of a result of the bad relationship he has with Gary, because Gary is used to striking out at people with no repercussions. There isn't a single Glen Cove cop who had anything bad to say about Suozzi while he was their mayor. Open your political eyes. Gary can not play nice in the sand box. He took his ball and went home a long time ago.

[topsey]

"Maybe so, because Gary never had to cultivate a political relationship before and doesn't know how to. Look at his past relationship with the former Legislative Leader, Peter Schmidt. There was none until they had a common foe. Look at his relationship with the present Legislative Leader, Judy Jacobs; it's horrible. This guy is more pompous than Suozzi. Suozzi only hates the cops because of Gary. Suozzi's involvement with running our "

I'm sorry but for a second I thought that you might be unbiased and more knowledable about these "relationships". I will agree with you that Gary has a certain style that can be construed as arrogant---though I think there might be a better word--this is not the issue. I think most of Nassau County and in fact, New York will agree that Suozzi is both arrogant AND pompous and that is what people who LIKE him say. But to say that Suozzi hates cops BECAUSE of Gary is simply not true. He came on like the new sheriff in town that was going to put an end to all the deals that Gulotta made including and starting with the police. His words and his actions even BEFORE he took office (debates) clearly reflect this opinion and his intentions to CHANGE it. I KNOW, I went and I watched and I WANTED to like the guy. But he attacked the police, the money, the benefits and their work schedule, including minium manning with a vengeance. As far as Glen Cove goes, oh sure they liked him---do you know why? because he was even more generous with them (police) on his way OUT of office when he was garnering their support than Gulotta ever was. He didn't attack their salaries or their benefits when he was there because he did not need to. And believe me, there is no love there for Suozzi there was just not the contempt that there is here and now. And just for the record, Gary did not go after Suozzi until Suozzi went after him and his cops and whether you like Gary or not he fights the fight for cops---sometimes excessively.
You say Gary never had to cultivate political relationships? Look obviously you don't like the guy and thats ok or maybe you don't like his style or think its not effective--and thats fair if thats your feeling; but I'm sorry, obviously you do not know that he has a very good relationship with Judy Jacobs as well as Peter Schmidt. And no that is not recent, as you well know Gary is quite vocal on issues and I'm sure he has disagreed with any legislator at any given time but He has the utmost respect for Judy and her for him and they enjoy a very friendly relationship. As a union leader he, along with a few other union leaders (the "coalition") have garnered the respect and support of both political parties in the legislature.
Open YOUR political eyes, Suozzi does not care about cops, he cares about Albany and his political future as the governor.

Gary did not have a relationship with Schmitt until Suozzi came into power. Yes Suozzi has his eyes on Albany and Nassau is a stepping stone. These details are a what they are. You have your opinion and I have mine. No way can you change mind and no way can I pour out your kool-aid drink without you catching me. Fact is both are power hungry, pompous, arrogant, self-servers who care little about others these days.

VOTE FOR CHANGE

[topsey]

No kool-aid drinker here. It does not phase me one way or the other, just offering my humble opinion and in some cases strong hard facts. Would never think of changing your mind....to each his own. :wink:

topsey,

Ok, then you are a good man (woman) then, an independent thinker with an open mind. I just ask that you keep it open when you get your ballot. Don't succumb to the pressure of your kool-aid drinking trustee and delegates. Most of them have their own reasons for keeping Gary in power (i.e. pool days and B.S. committees that have their own perks). The more they worship Gary, the more Gary throws their way. You say you know about the politicians; well, I know this.

VOTE FOR CHANGE AND RID THE UNION OF SUCH CRAP

Term limits for all, for a truer representation of the membership.

George Washington could have been elected to a third term, but declined it, suggesting two terms of four years were enough for any president.

Although a great president, FDR who was elected to a 4th term made many nervous at the idea of a permanent presidency. The 22nd amendment (term limits) was soon enacted.

This tells you something. It's time for Gary to go graze in the pasture, but make sure he leaves his PBA credit card back at the office.[/b]

Yo, you hit the nail on the head. This guy is no president. He is a dictactor who will banish you if you go against him. 18 years is enough!

[its our money]

Yo, you hit the nail on the head. This guy is no president. He is a dictactor who will banish you if you go against him. 18 years is enough!

Great point. It's time to get rid of these self-servers.

[Notacop]

give me a break already
the guy may be determined and even at times full of himself but give me a break already...he eats drinks and sleeps this stuff and that overwhelmingly evident----u don't like him?...fine...find someone else better but enough of this stupid banter already
he's not a dictator ....he fought for change and he got it
and guess what if suffolk got more good for them....cause they emulated this "dictator"...get over it already

NOTACOP,

You say get over it already. Why don't you get over it and stay off the boards if this banter bothers you so much. The sole purpose of these boards is to banter.

Hey NOT,

If you're NOT A COP, why do you care? Go to your own message boards!

maybe I am married to a cop----is there something wrong with me giving an opinion? I don't think it was off the chart and I don't think it was offensive compared to what I see on these things. My comments were comments just like dictator was a comment.
sorry that you are so touchy...the "banter" is fine with me keep it going

[*****]

Test Message

[*****]

topsey is clueless. just like the PBA reps who yes Gary to death.
If souzzi came on like a new sheriff in town and has always stated he was going after our contract and its benefits, why did the PBA foolishly endorse him. Why are they wasting our $2 a day on a candadate that does not have a chance in this upcoming election? We need change!! Please!! Anyone!! Ill vote for them

The only thing that changes are the faces, eventually they all drink the kool-aid. Look around the executive board at the new guys who just got in and said they were going to be different. Look in your commands, look at the reps who started off with the same opinion as you. They all eventually break down and drink. There is no fighting it unless an entire team can take over.

[blue4u]

Whats the big change that you are looking for? There is nothing wrong with change if it is for the better, but you keep on talking about drinking the kool-aid....could you elaborate? I will grant you that the last contract was not perfect but other than the quarter days---which i hear are soon to be eliminated for lack of effectiveness----what is your biggest beef with our job? is it the AA money? is it the fact that you think you can do better than delarabas attitude/style? if so ...how? and to be honest i am not attacking you, I would just like to understand how it is you feel we are getting screwed. Change, like I said is sometimes good but I would feel much better if I knew that whoever came along was more qualified than the current guy....

[topsey]

topsey is clueless. just like the PBA reps who yes Gary to death.
If souzzi came on like a new sheriff in town and has always stated he was going after our contract and its benefits, why did the PBA foolishly endorse him. Why are they wasting our $2 a day on a candadate that does not have a chance in this upcoming election? We need change!! Please!! Anyone!! Ill vote for them

Suozzi did NOT state that BEFORE he was endorsed. And our $2.00 a day is hardly wasted. The PBA (so far) is not pouring any more money into a political candidate than they normally do. The $2 per day, if never used is at the very least a trump card which if you pay attention most definately holds some power in its ability TO BE used. I agree that at this point in time we should no longer need to add to this fund (or as much anyway) but up until now it has clearly been effective. You need a war chest to fight...otherwise its empty threats.

there are a few coming forth and are putting their names in the hat. all are well spoken intelligent people. they will be a strong team, tough to beat. it's a diverse group (not all male whites) all who can pull their own. watch out for these independent thinkers who are highly capable of taking care of us while at the same time maintaining a decent and respectful relationship with suozzi and HQ (for a change). insiders say 2 or 3 of them already sat down with one top boss and has his "behind the scenes" backing!

I don't think the Chief of patrol and the PC are eligible to run....

What happened to the diverse group that was supposed to show up??? Only one lonely sole that challenged for pres just to make a point.....As usual all talk no action..... :?:

Yeah, only one guy and he is 10-62. Stay the course!!!

Obviously most members have no problems with the leadership. If there was a groundswell of discontent, the so called diverse ticket would have shown up.. Instead of a lone 10-62.

What happens is that when all the talk is going on, everyone is gung-ho. They love the rumors, starting them and spreading them. They are completely on board til it's show time. All talk, no action. They are afraid of retribution from the top guys. Most see the hand writing on the wall. If you challenge and lose, you are a marked man. You better not get in trouble and require representation, b/c it will be the bare minimum at best. Only the drinkers get to feel the love.

COHUTT

[Sc0tie1]

its our money,

You got to help the cause. Encourage people to run. An unopposed ballot is a non-existent ballot!!! We need people to step forward and challenge every position.
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Why is it that no one signs their name to any of these posts? As far as you, who ever you are, encouraging people to run for office, why is it you don't throw your hat in the ring? Are you one of these people who likes to stir the pot but don't have the courage to stand up for your convictions? It would seem so.

[Sc0tie1]

Its time for a change in the Union. They have feathered there beds at our expense AA pay 3 hrs O.T. a week in there mini's. God knows what else they get that they dont share. Thet have just about ignored every specialty unit since there thought is all details are on the tit. Im all for taking care of these guys if we all gain but they gain and we make concessions!!! Even with the new guys in seems business as usual. Instead of allways being neck and neck with Suffolk they have become the premier agency(hats off too you) and we are lagging further behind. an old saying goes were number 1 we try hard! were number 2 we dont try at all. be safe
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Flatfoot, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Sc0tie1]

Obviously most members have no problems with the leadership. If there was a groundswell of discontent, the so called diverse ticket would have shown up.. Instead of a lone 10-62.
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10-62 is right!

[Sc0tie1]

What happens is that when all the talk is going on, everyone is gung-ho. They love the rumors, starting them and spreading them. They are completely on board til it's show time. All talk, no action. They are afraid of retribution from the top guys. Most see the hand writing on the wall. If you challenge and lose, you are a marked man. You better not get in trouble and require representation, b/c it will be the bare minimum at best. Only the drinkers get to feel the love.
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Completely wrong but then again you've probably never showed up at any of the meetings...

[Sc0tie1]

"...maybe I am married to a cop----is there something wrong with me giving an opinion? I don't think it was off the chart and I don't think it was offensive compared to what I see on these things. My comments were comments just like dictator was a comment.
sorry that you are so touchy...the "banter" is fine with me keep it going."
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There's nothing wrong with giving an opinion. Apparently on this and some of the other message boards, if you want to get along, you have to go along. The response you received would seem to be evidence of that.
However, if you rub some of the malcontents the wrong way, you'll be accused of disrupting the board and banned from participation.
Haven't you heard? It's becoming the American way. Freedom of speech is dead. When you voice a difference of opinion to that of the majority, you will be viewed as a nonconformist by that majority and viewed as a dissenter.

How right you are!

Notice that not one of the people who started this thread are posting anymore....They talked of two teams, and not one of them showed when it was time to put up or shut up...

The truth is, there is about 5% that are disgruntled county wide for whatever reason.

Well I have this challenge to all you union haters, you have a candidate, lets see how many votes you get him....

We are not union haters. We are balance seekers. We lost all kinds of pay and work extra days that do not affect the big guys. By the way, this guy running is running on his own. I worked with him at one of his old pcts and trust me, no way was he picked to challenge. Scotie, you are a big time kool-aid drinker who has been sucked in by the guys in charge. Yes I have been to meetings and if you open your mouth and say something that the board does not agree with, then you get the looks. You become a marked man and god forbid you get in trouble. No representation! Are you gonna care as much or work as hard for a guy who goes against your ticket. That happens and that is why noone stepped forward to run. Because to run and lose is potential self-destruction. The union hates you and why? Shouldn't anyone be allowed to run? Wake up youngster, it's not all about those nice lunches, dinners, golf outings and green 207's you enjoy. This is about us and our families' welfare!

Although we have been silent here the last few weeks, you have just rustled a sleeping bear. It is a lost cause for us bears, but the message continues to live.

[obsolete]

TIME TO DELETE THIS TOPIC.

IT'S OBSOLETE.

[Flatfoot]

In reply to ScOtie 1. Your right I may be a 10-62. You are right I dont attend many PBA meetings. THAT WHY I ELECT PBA OFFICIALS TO ATTEND THEM FOR ME!!!! Get the point?

Good point now nuff said hey delete this topic

Good point now nuff said hey xxxxxxx delete this topic

Of course the malcontents want this deleted....They were embarrassed, and proved wrong......This post should stay up at least until the votes are counted for their candidate....

Or don't they want to see the results out in the open????

:?:

[swaz]

GO KOHUT!

oh GO cohutt---thats bright! Hope you get your wish and open the door for the Swazz to get HIS and trample all over the n.c.p.d. because thats EXACTLY what he would DO! Some of you guys are really a rip----you can say what you want about delaraba and his "style" of doing business----but he gets the job done for you and I can't IMAGINE anyone that can do better, if recent news doesn't show that much; that its more than just trying to kill G.D. but kill the job entirely than you are sleeping at the wheel.

GO KOHUT!

He will be woefully embarrassed. Has he even gone to one turnout?

Has he even sent out a letter? His campaign is a joke, If he was serious about this, He would have came out with a platform, or told the membership what he plans to do...


Wait for the votes to be counted.....

Kohutt doesn't have a chance! Gary is the least of 2 evils (by a landslide). Have you seen Kohuts's campaign letter? I was on a transport about a week ago, he has his letter just lying around. It boasts about his working at about 4 or 5 commands. Why is that? ANSWER: He is damaged goods, noone wants him! What kind of job will he do representing us? I can tell you. Look at his work history. Look at his campaign. ANSWER: non-existent. He hasn't gone to any command and hasn't mailed anything out. No effort, pure laziness. He knows he is a longshot and doesn't want to invest any time or money in a campaign. He is trying to ride the anti-gary movement and slide in. We are too smart to let this happen. Vote for Gary, we have no other choice. Would you want Kohutt dealing with Suozzi or trying to negotiate our next contract? Unfortunately Gary is our only other choice!

You might as well put a ballot in, for Kohutt to send a message it will cost the members in excess of 10k in dues money!!! Those official ballots with counting service aint free! Ill be putting in my ballot....for GARY!!!! I paid for it!

I understand this Kohut is damaged goods --- he's hurt himself, the department, hopefully not the public and now our union. He is costing us thousands of dollars of our union dues, just to be a thorn in Gary's side. He's a selfish, inconsiderate ignoramous.

VOTE GARY AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THE CLUELESS!!!

[partner]

is a lazy piece of garbage(looks like it and acts like it). He can't even wash his hands when he comes to work! I worked with him in the 4th pct. and he wouldn't even respond to back up calls or assist fellow officers. We termed a phrase since he was always out of service on BS...I got Kohuted.....The C.O. to his credit knew what a useless slob he was and got rid of him after just a few months and saved the rest of us from this dirtbag!

is a lazy piece of garbage(looks like it and acts like it). He can't even wash his hands when he comes to work! I worked with him in the 4th pct. and he wouldn't even respond to back up calls or assist fellow officers. We termed a phrase since he was always out of service on BS...I got Kohuted.....The C.O. to his credit knew what a useless slob he was and got rid of him after just a few months and saved the rest of us from this dirtbag!

Lets be nice, There will be at least 50 people who vote for him, you should of think of their feelings. (Although, I'm sure they will all be new guys, and never worked with him)

If he gets over 100 votes, I'll be shocked!! :shock:

Kohutt gets a little over 100 votes, and loses big.

Now you can close this post out. :twisted: