Volunteer Firefighters & Civil Service

[PF456123]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

[Unregisteredargd]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

No, that's not true.

[Unregisteredidiot]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

Quite possibly one of, if not the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Unregisteready]

no you're thinking of school teachers

[workquestion]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

§ 82-a . Authorized Absence .
§ 82-a . Authorized Absence . 1 . During the time that a state
emergency exists following a declaration of such emergency pursuant
to section twenty-eight of the executive law, every public officer
or employee of this state may request an authorized absence from
his or her duties or service as such public officer or employee
while engaged in the actual performance of his or her duties as,
(a) a volunteer firefighter, or (b) an enrolled member of a
volunteer ambulance service pursuant to article thirty of public
health law .
2 . Requests for such authorized absence shall be approved by
the appropriate supervisor to the extent that such absence would
not interfere with proper conduct of governmental functions .
3 . As used in this section, the term public officer or
employee shall not include officers or employees of municipalities
or other political subdivisions of the state .
4 . The entire period of the authorized absence granted
pursuant to this section shall be excused leave and shall not be
charged against any other leave such public officer or employee is
otherwise entitled to, and such authorized absence shall include
travel both to and from such duties performed in his or her
capacity as a volunteer .
5 . As used in this section, the term agency shall mean any
department, board, bureau, commission, division, office, council,
committee or office of the state, a public benefit corporation or
public authority at least one of whose members is appointed by the
governor .
(Side Note: I do know after the wild fires in Suffolk several threats were made to fire people and they still hold the jobs today)

[DUMBAZZ ANONYMOUS]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

Are you kidding or just the dopiest person around? Just do your job.

In the case wherein multiple persons are being laid off from a civil service position and in the same job title and working for the same jurisdiction or government entity; you will be given special dispensation if you are an exempt volunteer FF/EMT. But you must present a letter from your Chief advising that you are an active ff/emt with exempt status. You may still get laid off, but this can move you up the seniority ladder just far enough to stave off your lay off and save your job.

[Unregisteredbahbah]

actually....

§ 86. Transfer of veterans or exempt volunteer firemen upon abolition
of positions. If the position in the non-competitive or in the labor
class held by any honorably discharged veteran of the armed forces of
the United States who served therein in time of war as defined in
section eighty-five of this chapter, or by an exempt volunteer fireman
as defined in the general municipal law, shall become unnecessary or be
abolished for reasons of economy or otherwise, the honorably discharged
veteran or exempt volunteer fireman holding such position shall not be
discharged from the public service but shall be transferred to a similar
position wherein a vacancy exists, and shall receive the same
compensation therein. It is hereby made the duty of all persons clothed
with the power of appointment to make such transfer effective. The
right to transfer herein conferred shall continue for a period of one
year following the date of abolition of the position, and may be
exercised only where a vacancy exists in an appropriate position to
which transfer may be made at the time of demand for transfer. Where
the positions of more than one such veteran or exempt volunteer fireman
are abolished and a lesser number of vacancies in similar positions
exist to which transfer may be made, the veterans or exempt volunteer
firemen whose positions are abolished shall be entitled to transfer to
such vacancies in the order of their original appointment in the
service. Nothing in this section shall be construed to apply to the
position of private secretary, cashier or deputy of any official or
department. This section shall have no application to persons
encompassed by section eighty-a of this chapter.

[Unregistered123987]

What exactly does the exempt mean? Exempt from what?

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After 5 years of active service, you are considered an exempt firefighter. In Suffolk County you must file with the County Clerk an exempt firefighter certificate which must be completed and notarized.

You can obtain from FASNY or the County Clerk. If you do not file the paperwork in Riverhead, a Chiefs letter means nothing.

[Excapt]

Does anyone know if it is true that a volunteer firefighter cannot be let go from a civil service job just because he's a volunteer, even if he is not doing his job? Can anyone cite a specific law?

The correct section pertaining to the original question is NYS Civil Service Law article 75. Which states that an Exempt Fireman who is also a may only be removed after a hearing for misconduct. So yes an Exempt FF who is also a Civil Servant may be removed from a Government (state and local) job after a hearing on misconduct.

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Firefighters don't just get a free pass to be morons at work and not get fired. The provision was written to protect firemen who may be late to or miss work because of a legitimate emergency. Most jobs do not allow firefighters to leave work anymore, nor do they have to pay you for time lost. Some jobs also allow only a certain amount of "firefighter time" (for lack of a better term) to be used in a given time period.

[Unregistered7hlso]

The correct section pertaining to the original question is NYS Civil Service Law article 75. Which states that an Exempt Fireman who is also a may only be removed after a hearing for misconduct. So yes an Exempt FF who is also a Civil Servant may be removed from a Government (state and local) job after a hearing on misconduct.

exactly.
I think this is what that poster was referring to, not what some others have posted