capone case

[knows it all]

let me straighten a few things out for all of you tax payers. #1 ralph capone is innocent, the accusations were made by 2 admitted illegal immigrants who were not present on the date of the accusations when they claim happened. #2 Tina Weeks saw an injustice going on behind closed doors and actually had the balls to do something about it, unlike other board members such as Raby, Nett and Kaiser who sat back and talked about how ralph was gay and should be fired...when was the last time someone was fired b/c they were accused of being gay???? 3# ralph's rights were totally violated, he was railroaded, reputation destroyed and now the taxpayers will have to pay an enormous amount of money to pay what their former board members have caused. Tina Weeks, remember folks voted AGAINST the termination as did Peggy and Joe L. SO let's all remember why your taxes will be going up b/c of the injustice that the school board let go on. Raby, Nett and Kaiser have filed a petition to remove Tina...how about reprimanding them for firing ralph after 19 years of blemish free service, and for letting the injustice go on that Ti8na let the public in on. In my opinion she deserves a reward. As far as her giving the tapes, their was no law broken, 2nd opinions already say the tapes are legal, so stop the bullsh*t with throwing her off and how about looking at what actually happened to an innocent man who was railroaded by power hungry board members.

let me straighten a few things out for all of you tax payers. #1 ralph capone is innocent, the accusations were made by 2 admitted illegal immigrants who were not present on the date of the accusations when they claim happened. #2 Tina Weeks saw an injustice going on behind closed doors and actually had the balls to do something about it, unlike other board members such as Raby, Nett and Kaiser who sat back and talked about how ralph was gay and should be fired...when was the last time someone was fired b/c they were accused of being gay???? 3# ralph's rights were totally violated, he was railroaded, reputation destroyed and now the taxpayers will have to pay an enormous amount of money to pay what their former board members have caused. Tina Weeks, remember folks voted AGAINST the termination as did Peggy and Joe L. SO let's all remember why your taxes will be going up b/c of the injustice that the school board let go on. Raby, Nett and Kaiser have filed a petition to remove Tina...how about reprimanding them for firing ralph after 19 years of blemish free service, and for letting the injustice go on that Ti8na let the public in on. In my opinion she deserves a reward. As far as her giving the tapes, their was no law broken, 2nd opinions already say the tapes are legal, so stop the bullsh*t with throwing her off and how about looking at what actually happened to an innocent man who was railroaded by power hungry board members. hello tina!!!!!!

Know It All you are a god damn idiot whoever you are.
Ralph Capone is a liar. He did approach those men and the sad thing is that he did it before. If you Know It All you should know that the only difference is that this time it wasn't just brushed under the carpet like last time. If you Know It All you would know that this came out during deposition. If those men weren't present the day the incident happened why would an independant arbitrator believe their stories and recommend dismissal? Who cares if Ralph is gay or not. Just because he chased after oral sex with 2 grown men does that make him gay? Well...maybe it does...but who really cares! The problem, you fricken twisted moron, is that your god, Tina, should have removed herself from her position and pursued his justice in the right way, not at the time and expense of our childrens educational funds. Ralph was not fired because he's gay, if he is, he was fired because the time and place of his advancements were wrong. Ralph screwed his own blemish free 19 year reputation and he screwed with his families reputation. It is his doing, do not blame it on anyone else.
What Tina did was wrong but you refuse to let this go away. I can't wait to see her removed. Take your "I Love Tina" sign and shove it up your ass. You and everybody else trying to help Tina are just getting in the way of the school board functioning, period. If she really cares about the kids, like she constantly preaches, she should move aside until this issue is resolved. She should plead with Mills for a speedy decision. The atmosphere at school board meetings is not healthy. It is circus like and the regular business that the board needs to tend to seems irrelevant which is a shame.
Move aside you skank. Make a statement that you are stepping aside at this time to benefit the children. That's the publicity you want isn't it? Isn't publicity the only reason you're here? You definitely don't give a shit about my, or anybody elses, children.
Oh yea, don't forget to vote yes everybody. Please think about the kids. Do you really think that your taxes weren't going up? Come on.

The original poster keeps saying that Capone was railroaded and that Tina really did the right thing. 1st, the only person that I've seen use the word "railroaded" is Tina. Is that who "Knows It All" is?
2nd and most important in my mind is that it doesn't matter if Mr. Capone is guilty or innocent, gay or straight. Tina's removal has nothing to do with Capone. What she did has nothing to do with the job she was voted in to do. She was voted in to represent and make decisions that benefit the children. She has made a great error in judgement. She has made the decision that her opinion is more important that anyone elses. She has forgotten that she is just a member of the school board. That she is not the entire school board.
I have lived in Patchogue for many years. My children have grown and left to start lives of their own. They cannot believe what they are reading and hearing. Mrs. Weeks has disgraced this town and her family name. She needs to respectfully remove herself for the benefit of the children.
I too will be voting yes. I can not afford the increase but it is the children that will suffer.

[Dems' The Breaks]

Whatever side you believe in regards to the Capone/ Oral sex solicitation it really doesn't matter. While the incident or alleged incident (again depending on what side you are on) is without a doubt the catalyst in this whole mess it really does not matter in regards to why Ms. Weeks should resign.

First, is the matter of her taping her fellow board members while in an executive session without their knowledge or permission. This may not be illegal (as some have said), but it is sure unethical and destroys any chance that this board could operate in the future as a cohesive, civil unit. This alone if she had any common sense should make her realize that she should resign.

But if you want to give her a pass on that one then the handing over of that tape to a litigant in a multi million dollar lawsuit against the district that she is sworn to represent is beyond belief. Again, this may not be illegal, but it without a doubt says that Ms. Week's considers Mr. Capone's interests above that of the BOE and the district she serves.

In a democracy a majority vote is the final decider. Regardless of whether Capone was "railroaded" or "unfairly let go" the vote was still for dismissal and Ms. Weeks was in the minority. If she felt it was her duty to defend Mr. Capone or campaign against his unjust treatment then she actually should have resigned RIGHT THEN and let the community hear her thoughts THEN.

To do this cloak and dagger stuff and compromise an entire district in the process makes her the bad guy in this mess no matter how many postings everyone else says about the words and actions of the other past and present board members and of Capone's guilt or innocence.

And lets get another thing straight, while I'm sure there is a small percentage of "no" votes that are related to "Weeksgate" for the most part the taxpayers simply have said enough is enough. And don't give us another budget that is no different from the one that was voted down. Don't threaten us with these draconian cuts that "we will be forced to do" and that will "only hurt the children". Trim the fat or just forget about us citizens voting at all. After all, as we are always facing tax increases so you might as well just shove it down our throat every year since if we dare to vote no we are stabbing our kids in the back.

A no vote means go back to the drawing board and send up something new. Just like a majority vote means that the BOE has spoken whether you agree with it or not.

Keep raising those taxes, soon PM (and a lot of other middle class districts) will have no kids left to teach, they'll all be gone out of state!

I hear ya on the Capone thing Dems, and I totally agree but, if this next budget does not pass we go on an austerity budget. I think that's automatic. That means no AP classes, etc, etc, etc.
Is that ok? Do you have kids in the district that will suffer from another budget turned down?
Mostow can screw himself. If he eliminates kindergarten...you want to talk about torches and pitchforks...
Maybe we should talk about this on another thread. Obviously a Capone thread has nothing to do with the budget, only with depleating from...
Let me know where your going...I'll tune in there...

Listen, the one thing I noticed at the last meeting is people talking out of both sides of your mouth. The fact is that almost 3 million bucks have to be cut. So if you keep kindegarten which it looks like the Board will wind up doing after all, you have to cut more teachers. That increases class size. Don't let me see you people who were on the attack about kindegarten getting up to talk about how its a disgrace that there are more students in your children's class or else I'll get the pitchfork after you and Mostow. Stop being hypocrites. I didn't see half you people there with the initial budget. Nothing like Monday night quarterbacking. Oh and another thing, Miles was dead right...people want a mercedes education with ford escort money. People don't like the truth but besides its being hurt it will set you free.

[Dems' the Breaks]

No, I wouldn't like an austerity budget that cuts all those programs, but I'm sick and tired of after saying with my "no" vote that these tax increases are intolerable and give me an alternative and then not being offered any other trimmed budget that shows some understanding of what the community has told you is not acceptable by their majority vote.


Instead they offer the same budget with the figures tossed around and shuffled like a day old salad. They scare with you "no kindergarten" (not true, but why did the union send that out?)and "you'll only hurt the kids". Show me ANY budget that shows me that they crunched the numbers even a little bit and made an honest attempt to lessen the taxpayers burden.

I don't want a Mercedes education with a Ford Escort budget, but I do want to have some money left to put gas in my clunker. The BOE and without a doubt the PM CofT don't realize that PM is a struggling middle class area and one that seems to teeter-totter on turning itself around. Tighten the belts, take a look at what's really needed and trim the fat. Or the high priced teachers will be in empty classrooms because there will be no left to teach.

Take a look at the salaries in other well known "richer" districts. Our teachers are doing damn' well in comparison. So how about these educators realizing that there should be some 0 % years for these struggling towns and we'll hold the line on medical benefits (a HUGE cost).

the BOE asked the PMCT to contribute to medical or take an increase freeze and they pretty much told them that there's no way in hell they'd do that. So what else are they supposed to do? I spoke to one Board member who said they're going to make them pay next year at contract time. I hope they do.

I may be wrong, but I think we are going to appreciate Mr. Mostow after the teacher contracts are renegotiated.

The teachers are in for a long haul. Dont' get me wrong we have great teachers, but we're paying a varsity football coach 9,000/season - thats outrageous. Their contract is a joke, and they have gotten away with murder thanks to Raby, Kaiser, LoShivo, Feluzis, all of whom had relatives working in the district - children and sister - who beneifted greatly from these huge increases.

Mostow is no Veronica Mcdermott - he's a bit cold and calculating. But if I had to wager money, I'd bet that those teachers will not be walking away with the candy store this time.

That new President gets up there and says a whole lot of nothing. If he was any kind of leader, he'd tell his union to help the district recoup this money by paying their own damn insurance and retirement at 80,000 and more a year like me and my husband.

THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE NEGOTIATED....SO FORGET THAT.....BUT PAYING A LARGER PORTION OF HEALTH CARE BENEFITS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED

[Dems' The Breaks]

I'm no fan of the current board and though they have pulled some bonehead moves with these last few contracts you can trace the origins of this mess to the last pre-CTOP contract.

Than CTOP was voted in and held the line for a few years, but the friction between black shirted teachers and board members was high.

After CTOP left the candy store was open again. You may not have liked the personalities, but they for once said no.

Let me start bu saying I am no fan of CToP - not for their policies but for their antics and the kind of division that accompanied much of what they tried to accomplish. Janet "I'll cut everything except for my son's programs" Murphy has a lot of nerve boasting about her tenure on the Board when she and Bringmann were run out of office far more decidedly than even Nett and Raby. If she was so valued and informative about the budget process, she would've been elected to work on a few more.

Anyway, my point is that where CToP was right was establishing a system of checks and balances where they can objectively give groups the pay and incentives they deserved not just what they asked for. Kaiser and still LoSchiavo are so in bed with the teacher's union partly because of relatives being teachers partly because they're infactuation with Jane Conetta - has prevented them from being able to say no to the PMCT - and made them Board members representing the interests of teachers more than representing the interests to the community. The union has given them a lot of money not because they support their candidacy but because they know they are yes men.

The current Board has not done things how I would like them done, but I will say I do like their objectivity - they are not fans of the teacher's union leadership...you can see that. I'll say it again, that when this new woman gets on only 2 of the 7 will have been supported by the teacher's union in the last four elections I think. This will set up next year at negotiation time where for friggin once...the teacher's union can finally be told the candy store is closed. Try again.

[patmedmom]

that new woman will vote which ever way faloser and weaks tell her to vote. ANd if she can ever tear her eyes off mostow long enough to see what a pompus ass he is, she just might be some value to the community she's supposed to serve.

these board of ed meetings have replaced soap operas in our house. we look forward to attending them for entertainment value. they have something of the circus about them, with an element of drama and a whiff of what it must have been like in ancient rome when the gladiators met in the coliseum. we especially love it when the audience catcalls and hollers from the sidelines and faloser can't control the meeting...

[PatmedMORON]

Patmed"mom" your children are lucky to have such a mature person as yourself to not look out for their interests or the interests of children in our school district but to make hooting for people who have no sense or don't know any better than to heckle at people more of a priority. I appreciate your optimism. Thanks for representing the trash of our community.

[patmedmom]

okay MORON, never said we were doing the heckling, but we've been attending BOE meetings for quite some time and have observed the degeneration of respect this Board has brought upon themselves. It's not a pretty picture and my kids will suffer for their incompetence. We supported a candidate for the board we thought brought new and solid ideas to the floor, although he was defeated. Hopefully he will run again next year when three seats come up for election and restore some integrity to this group. The seats held by faloser and weaks will be replaced as those two have got to go, and it is doubtful if brady wants to remain much longer. If he resigns his seat, it would be a good opportunity to put that goldfarb guy in there and see how he does before he runs again next year.

[Guest625]

Why am I constantly voting to pay more money for less programs?? I'm voting no. I'm sick of it. Let's call for an investigation.

[pissed off parent]

you know, a full audit and investigation might not be such a bad idea.
back in March or so, when the so-called "forensic audit" was revealed it would have been nice to have a more conclusive audit performed to take up where this one left off.

As it is, this performance piece was the reason d'etre for ousting one business office administration, hiring another consultant to perform the same job, and which put every figure in doubt as to their veracity.

Arthur Fucillo put it bluntly back then it would be prudent and in our best interests to make the investment in a more complete audit and put any questions to rest.

Without a doubt, a full investigation by the State Atty General might even be in order