Ed Mangano - he used to do a shell game on 5th and 42nd St

[Leave Nassau Cnty]

Follow the pea.......sucker. Is it under this shell or this shell....
Are we really to believe this moron.

He is shifting tax burdens around, so he can tell everyone he did not increase taxes. What does he think the school district is going to do now, that it has to pay a sewer tax. Does this moron know where the schools get their money from.

Great never mind I have to pay school taxes that get wasted on SHI_____
Now I really have to pay school taxes for SHI____

I cannot believe the silence on this issue and Mangano's budget.

I forgot. It does not matter for all these politicians, whose homes are drastically under assessed. Their burden is already minimal.

[Guest1275]

Follow the pea.......sucker. Is it under this shell or this shell....
Are we really to believe this moron.

He is shifting tax burdens around, so he can tell everyone he did not increase taxes. What does he think the school district is going to do now, that it has to pay a sewer tax. Does this moron know where the schools get their money from.

Great never mind I have to pay school taxes that get wasted on SHI_____
Now I really have to pay school taxes for SHI____

I cannot believe the silence on this issue and Mangano's budget.

I forgot. It does not matter for all these politicians, whose homes are drastically under assessed. Their burden is already minimal.

Mangano did the right thing here- it is lunacy for the County to fund tax grievance refunds.

Now, maybe they'll be some REAL pressure on these districts to start consolidating.

[Unregistered11530]

Mangano did the right thing here- it is lunacy for the County to fund tax grievance refunds.

Now, maybe they'll be some REAL pressure on these districts to start consolidating.

Exactly.

Why should we as a county subsidize schools, towns or villages?

Let the true cost of each entity be known and let the taxpayers decide what they want to fund.

Sounds like someone is afraid that when the true cost of keeping these things running is known, there will be a reckoning.

[Leave Nassau Cnty]

Do you understand.... The schools now have to pay for sewer usage.
Where does the school get its funding from. YOU....
This means your school tax burden must go up.

Lets see...your county tax does not go up....but your school tax goes up to cover this fee.

That's great that he provided a zero tax increase.
You must believe there is really a pea under the shell....................

[Guest1275]

Do you understand.... The schools now have to pay for sewer usage.
Where does the school get its funding from. YOU....
This means your school tax burden must go up.

Lets see...your county tax does not go up....but your school tax goes up to cover this fee.

That's great that he provided a zero tax increase.
You must believe there is really a pea under the shell....................

Where do you think the money comes from to pay certiorari refunds? YOU!

The refund has to either paid or borrowed for. Putting the burden back where it belongs is a first step towards this County's rehabilitation.

No more freeriding.

[Leave Nassau Cnty]

Putting the burden back where it belongs is a first step towards this County's rehabilitation.

So you agree. Our zero increase tax............causes us all to kick in more.
The burden gets shared by all taxpayers.
NO MATTER HOW YOU HIDE IT OR WHAT YOU CALL IT....HE IS SCREWING US....

[Unregisteredshell]

Follow the pea.......sucker. Is it under this shell or this shell....
Are we really to believe this moron.

He is shifting tax burdens around, so he can tell everyone he did not increase taxes. What does he think the school district is going to do now, that it has to pay a sewer tax. Does this moron know where the schools get their money from.

Great never mind I have to pay school taxes that get wasted on SHI_____
Now I really have to pay school taxes for SHI____

I cannot believe the silence on this issue and Mangano's budget.

I forgot. It does not matter for all these politicians, whose homes are drastically under assessed. Their burden is already minimal.

YEAH....WHILE YOUR PROSTITUTE MOTHER AND SISTER WATCHED ON THE CORNER...LOL..LOL..LOL

[Guest1275]

Putting the burden back where it belongs is a first step towards this County's rehabilitation.

So you agree. Our zero increase tax............causes us all to kick in more.
The burden gets shared by all taxpayers.
NO MATTER HOW YOU HIDE IT OR WHAT YOU CALL IT....HE IS SCREWING US....

Sir- if you want to be willfully stupid, that is your right.

The refunds HAVE to get paid- thanks to the method you want to keep in place, half the County's budget is now dedicated to funding tax challenges. Apparently, you think that is wise governance. I don't.

By indemnifying the schools and villages and towns, the County has built up an obligation that may never be able to be paid back. Or will take a generation to.

So quit griping. It was high time this was done.

[griping and griping]

Sir- if you want to be willfully stupid, that is your right.

The refunds HAVE to get paid- thanks to the method you want to keep in place, half the County's budget is now dedicated to funding tax challenges. Apparently, you think that is wise governance. I don't.

By indemnifying the schools and villages and towns, the County has built up an obligation that may never be able to be paid back. Or will take a generation to.

So quit griping. It was high time this was done.

High time what was done? Nothing was done. That's the point. Fixing the system means revising the system so the judgments don't happen - not shuffling around who pays them. And in the end - the taxpayers still pay them no matter if the county takes it over or forces it on the towns or schools. The only difference is Mangano is causing a war between the towns & the county & the school districts which are already in jeapardy of not having their budgets pass. Mangano can run around and tell the idiots like you that he balanced his budget - meanwhile nothing's changed & everything is worse because now he's forcing the towns & schools to raise their taxes. Either way - you still pay. Ed is not fixing anything - he's not even trying to fix anything. He left the holdovers in place forever, and finally now that he got rid of the guy in charge - his transition team is a joke. Look who he's got on it. He's making no effort. We will go under in a year.

[jackass 4]

Exactly.

Why should we as a county subsidize schools, towns or villages?

Let the true cost of each entity be known and let the taxpayers decide what they want to fund.

Sounds like someone is afraid that when the true cost of keeping these things running is known, there will be a reckoning.

Jackass - because you live in the towns & villages & you pay school taxes. Does it really matter who you pay it to? You're a total fool. He was voted into office because he said he was going to wipe out the holdovers, wipe out the old systems & revamp the whole structure to help reduce our property tax burdens. He's not reducing OUR property tax burdens - he's reducing HIS budget at the expense of the Towns & Schools. You are still paying moron.

[Guest1275]

High time what was done? Nothing was done. That's the point. Fixing the system means revising the system so the judgments don't happen - not shuffling around who pays them. And in the end - the taxpayers still pay them no matter if the county takes it over or forces it on the towns or schools. The only difference is Mangano is causing a war between the towns & the county & the school districts which are already in jeapardy of not having their budgets pass. Mangano can run around and tell the idiots like you that he balanced his budget - meanwhile nothing's changed & everything is worse because now he's forcing the towns & schools to raise their taxes. Either way - you still pay. Ed is not fixing anything - he's not even trying to fix anything. He left the holdovers in place forever, and finally now that he got rid of the guy in charge - his transition team is a joke. Look who he's got on it. He's making no effort. We will go under in a year.

This is not a "shuffling." The EXISTING system was the shell game, THIS is the way it should have been all along, but everyone was too cowardly to act.

The "holdovers" aren't causing the budgets to hemmorage. I've had enough of you disgusting pension whores grumbling about political payoffs, as if WHO was sitting in the chair made any freaking difference.

The assessment system has been bankrupt for decades. And never will be fixed until you supplant property assessment as the main vehicle for revenue to run the County.

[Ha ha ho ho ho]

This is not a "shuffling." The EXISTING system was the shell game, THIS is the way it should have been all along, but everyone was too cowardly to act.

The "holdovers" aren't causing the budgets to hemmorage. I've had enough of you disgusting pension whores grumbling about political payoffs, as if WHO was sitting in the chair made any freaking difference.

The assessment system has been bankrupt for decades. And never will be fixed until you supplant property assessment as the main vehicle for revenue to run the County.

There's a simple solution then - stay the hell off this board if you don't like. We voted in a newcomer because we hated the holdovers. If Paladino goes in and doesn't clean out Albany like he promises, we'll be just as pissed off.

The holdovers let the system rape the taxpayers - but a certain few people - apparently republican legislators that didn't give Suozzi a hard time & let everything slide through - got nice deals on their homes. Years of underpayments while many of us in better communities subsidized their neighborhoods. The Assessors allowed it - created it. After all, the flunkies from the City were running away from the investigator indictments in the finance department they were recruited from. Of course, crooks don't seem to bother this new administration, but you get what you expect to get.

[Unregistered11530]

Jackass - because you live in the towns & villages & you pay school taxes. Does it really matter who you pay it to? You're a total fool. He was voted into office because he said he was going to wipe out the holdovers, wipe out the old systems & revamp the whole structure to help reduce our property tax burdens. He's not reducing OUR property tax burdens - he's reducing HIS budget at the expense of the Towns & Schools. You are still paying moron.

So why did everyone complain when the county screwed up and Garden City paid 1.3 million less this year for their schools?

I guess I am a fool since it does matter to whom I pay it.

I want to pay for my services, not someone ele's.

It is basic accounting - it matters where the money goes.

The first step towards lowering our tax burden is identifiying where the money is being spent and then you can work to cut that spending. If you can't grasp that basic tenent we can't have a cogent discussion.

[guest1275]

There's a simple solution then - stay the hell off this board if you don't like. We voted in a newcomer because we hated the holdovers. If Paladino goes in and doesn't clean out Albany like he promises, we'll be just as pissed off.

The holdovers let the system rape the taxpayers -.

What a load of crap- the system has been bankrupt since Abe Seldin ran it.
"Holdovers," your @ss.

At least give Suozzi SOME credit for trying to get the County off it's assesment addiction.

And a certified looney like Paladino wont get elected dogcatcher. Get in the game.

[Yes idiot]

So why did everyone complain when the county screwed up and Garden City paid 1.3 million less this year for their schools?

I guess I am a fool since it does matter to whom I pay it.

I want to pay for my services, not someone ele's.

It is basic accounting - it matters where the money goes.

The first step towards lowering our tax burden is identifiying where the money is being spent and then you can work to cut that spending. If you can't grasp that basic tenent we can't have a cogent discussion.

Yes you are an idiot. Everyone complained because every school district had screw ups like that - nobody is paying their fair share within school districts, across the county or even on a block to block assessment. Of all the districts - Garden City has Roosevelt Field that should be subsidizing it. They put up with all the traffic & the buses - but the commercial tax certs have been screwed up even worse than the residential assessments for a decade. Now Mangano wants to tell the residents in more industrialized areas to go F themselves - and give money back to the commercial businesses. That's gonna affect the schools and the people you want living here that spend money here & donate to the charities here & don't rape the free resources - are going to be forced out. We hated Suozzi's people because they wanted to urbanize surburbia. Mangano is killing the dream - and not even offering anything in return.

[Unregistered8910]

It gets tiresome with these fools complaining that the problem with the assessement system is the hold overs from Suozzi as if they cared one bit about solutions. If they got their pork and their pensions they wouldn't be typing a one letter on the keyboard.

I don't care much for Mangano and his solutions but give him credit for doing something in the way of preventing rewards for these no talent hacks. Keep droning on about the holdovers we all know it's about greed and rewards for the vultures.

[Unregistered8910]

I meant to add if you have so much professional talent to replace the people that are already in office please post some of the names of these financial wizards here so we can lobby Mangano to get some "real talent".

[prevented rewarder]

It gets tiresome with these fools complaining that the problem with the assessement system is the hold overs from Suozzi as if they cared one bit about solutions. If they got their pork and their pensions they wouldn't be typing a one letter on the keyboard.

I don't care much for Mangano and his solutions but give him credit for doing something in the way of preventing rewards for these no talent hacks. Keep droning on about the holdovers we all know it's about greed and rewards for the vultures.

so he stopped some deserving supporters from replacing suozzi holdovers that are still on the payroll.

what else has he done? anything?
besides wasting my money on colorful flyers?

[Unregistered11530]

Yes you are an idiot. Everyone complained because every school district had screw ups like that - nobody is paying their fair share within school districts, across the county or even on a block to block assessment. Of all the districts - Garden City has Roosevelt Field that should be subsidizing it. They put up with all the traffic & the buses - but the commercial tax certs have been screwed up even worse than the residential assessments for a decade. Now Mangano wants to tell the residents in more industrialized areas to go F themselves - and give money back to the commercial businesses. That's gonna affect the schools and the people you want living here that spend money here & donate to the charities here & don't rape the free resources - are going to be forced out. We hated Suozzi's people because they wanted to urbanize surburbia. Mangano is killing the dream - and not even offering anything in return.

First of all, moron, Garden City does not get ANYTHING from Roosevelt Field. It is not located in Garden City, does not pay taxes to Garden City and does nothing to lower Garden City's taxes.

Everyone thinks Garden City pays low taxes because of Roosevelt Field. We pay higher taxes than most of the other communities. What we have is a relativley low TAX RATE. That is because the homes are assesssed so high. I pay more in school taxes than someone with a similar house in another area. You know why? Because we get almost no state aid. We pay our own way. As an incorporated village we pay for our own services - police/fire/sanitation, etc. I pay less than 10% of my taxes to Nassau County. In reality, it doesn't matter to me if Mangano raises county taxes by 50% - it won't affect me much.

I just hate idea of subsidizing someone else's taxes. If you want to spend the money - be upfront about it. let us know who is spending what and how we are being asked to pay for it.

[Unregistered810]

First of all, moron, Garden City does not get ANYTHING from Roosevelt Field. It is not located in Garden City, does not pay taxes to Garden City and does nothing to lower Garden City's taxes.

Everyone thinks Garden City pays low taxes because of Roosevelt Field. We pay higher taxes than most of the other communities. What we have is a relativley low TAX RATE. That is because the homes are assesssed so high. I pay more in school taxes than someone with a similar house in another area. You know why? Because we get almost no state aid. We pay our own way. As an incorporated village we pay for our own services - police/fire/sanitation, etc. I pay less than 10% of my taxes to Nassau County. In reality, it doesn't matter to me if Mangano raises county taxes by 50% - it won't affect me much.

I just hate idea of subsidizing someone else's taxes. If you want to spend the money - be upfront about it. let us know who is spending what and how we are being asked to pay for it.

Garden City is no different than any other incorporated village many of which lack any meaningful businesses and Garden City does in fact get their fair of state aid. If you are only paying 10% of your tax to the county that is a relatively small percentage but not much different than other villages. The real estate tax is only one of the many county taxes I would expect the county portion of the sales tax is probably twice your real estate tax.

Also your school tax is high because your teacher’s contract is in fact higher than most communities with over 200 teachers making over $100,000. They had a 3.4 % COLA’s for the last 5 years and looks like that is continuing for the next 2 years through 2012. That has a lot to do with your taxes being high, not the state aid formula.

[Unregistered11530]

Garden City is no different than any other incorporated village many of which lack any meaningful businesses and Garden City does in fact get their fair of state aid. If you are only paying 10% of your tax to the county that is a relatively small percentage but not much different than other villages. The real estate tax is only one of the many county taxes I would expect the county portion of the sales tax is probably twice your real estate tax.

Also your school tax is high because your teacher’s contract is in fact higher than most communities with over 200 teachers making over $100,000. They had a 3.4 % COLA’s for the last 5 years and looks like that is continuing for the next 2 years through 2012. That has a lot to do with your taxes being high, not the state aid formula.

What is our "fair share" of state aid? Compared to surrounding districts it is practically nil.

Are our teachers overpaid - without a doubt. Does that have anything to do with our state aid formula - no.

We are lucky to have a commercial base - Franklin ave, etc. but our taxes are still very high.

My original point remains - I want to know where my tax dollars are going. That way I can decide if I approve or not.

If I decide it is okay to overpay my teachers, that is my decision.

I don't want to have you want to overpay your teachers and then ask me to help foot the bill.

If your school budget requires a certain amount of money and you agree to the budget - go ahead and pay for it. When someone in your area gets their property taxes lowered - don't ask me to help pay the refund, let the people in your school district pay for it. You passed the budget, you pay the cost.

[Unregistered810]

What is our "fair share" of state aid? Compared to surrounding districts it is practically nil.

Are our teachers overpaid - without a doubt. Does that have anything to do with our state aid formula - no.

We are lucky to have a commercial base - Franklin ave, etc. but our taxes are still very high.

My original point remains - I want to know where my tax dollars are going. That way I can decide if I approve or not.

If I decide it is okay to overpay my teachers, that is my decision.

I don't want to have you want to overpay your teachers and then ask me to help foot the bill.

If your school budget requires a certain amount of money and you agree to the budget - go ahead and pay for it. When someone in your area gets their property taxes lowered - don't ask me to help pay the refund, let the people in your school district pay for it. You passed the budget, you pay the cost.

Your proposed NYS school aid for 2011 is approximately $5 M why do you think you should get more, based on what? I live in an incorporated village also and each school district is responsible for their own budget and taxes assuming they are assessed correctly, the county real estate tax is a different story.

[Unregistered11530]

Your proposed NYS school aid for 2011 is approximately $5 M why do you think you should get more, based on what? I live in an incorporated village also and each school district is responsible for their own budget and taxes assuming they are assessed correctly, the county real estate tax is a different story.

I never said we should get more state aid. I only asked what is our "fair share"?

There is a very complicated method for figuring out the state aid for school districts. It takes into account many things, including the area's wealth. That includes the value of housing. So an area that has houses that are worth alot, like Long Island, is at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the state. The people who live in those areas are not always "wealthy", they just happen to have a house that rose in value relative to other areas.

Again, my original point, I just want to know where my money is going. If you want to have a huge budget increase pay for it yourself, don't ask the entire county (or state) to pay for it.

[Alfonse]

my fair share is zero. Your fair share is everything else.

[Unregistered11530]

my fair share is zero. Your fair share is everything else.

Thanks.

You can send all of your state aid to me.

[Unregistered810]

I never said we should get more state aid. I only asked what is our "fair share"?

There is a very complicated method for figuring out the state aid for school districts. It takes into account many things, including the area's wealth. That includes the value of housing. So an area that has houses that are worth alot, like Long Island, is at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the state. The people who live in those areas are not always "wealthy", they just happen to have a house that rose in value relative to other areas.

Again, my original point, I just want to know where my money is going. If you want to have a huge budget increase pay for it yourself, don't ask the entire county (or state) to pay for it.

When it comes to county real estate taxes wealthy homeowners pay more. If there is a county tax increase all will end up paying more whether they are incorporated or non-incorporated. Garden City's increase in tax from the county will be rather minor compared to all the school tax, village tax since it comprises only around 10% of your tax.

[Screwed all]

my fair share is zero. Your fair share is everything else.

I think if you have no children or you have no children in the public school system you shouldn't be paying the same tax as people with children, multiple children, benefiting from the public school system. How about a school tax assessment based on the number of children you have utilizing the public school system? That'll shut alot of people up real quick -

[Unscrewed]

I think if you have no children or you have no children in the public school system you shouldn't be paying the same tax as people with children, multiple children, benefiting from the public school system. How about a school tax assessment based on the number of children you have utilizing the public school system? That'll shut alot of people up real quick -

That's dumb. Your property value benefits from a strong school system. If you're benefiting then you should pay.

[Unregistered33]

That's dumb. Your property value benefits from a strong school system. If you're benefiting then you should pay.

They need to eliminate 90% of school administration postions.

Having 45 different vice principals and assistant this and that earning between $125K and $400K a year is the reason taxes are so high.

[Slaving To Pay Taxes]

They need to eliminate 90% of school administration postions.

Having 45 different vice principals and assistant this and that earning between $125K and $400K a year is the reason taxes are so high.

I second and third that.

How does this top-heavy staff improve education? It's just bloat at the expense of the homeowners, c/o the union and the BOE. Enough already. Party's over.

[Slaving To Pay Taxes]

That's dumb. Your property value benefits from a strong school system. If you're benefiting then you should pay.

An enormous tax bill makes your house less marketable. Ever thought of that?

[Unscrewed]

An enormous tax bill makes your house less marketable. Ever thought of that?

Yup. And I haven't exactly seen the housing market collapse on LI, especially in the stronger school districts.

[ed3434]

Yup. And I haven't exactly seen the housing market collapse on LI, especially in the stronger school districts.

Houses in Garden city, a so called strong district, are now going for sale in the low to mid 500k range. 3 years ago you couldn't buy there for under. 700k.

[Unregisteredh]

Yup. And I haven't exactly seen the housing market collapse on LI, especially in the stronger school districts.thats because people cant afford to move.

[Unregistered11530]

I think if you have no children or you have no children in the public school system you shouldn't be paying the same tax as people with children, multiple children, benefiting from the public school system. How about a school tax assessment based on the number of children you have utilizing the public school system? That'll shut alot of people up real quick -

That's a really good idea!

How about if we make the people who use the police frequently pay more for that portion of the tax bill?

I don't use the social services dept at all so I don't want to pay for that either.

My kids aren't going to Nassau Community College so I think I'll deduct that also.

The whole idea behind taxes is that everyone contributes to everything - otherwise just eliminate the taxes and pay as you go.

[Now you're talking]

That's a really good idea!

How about if we make the people who use the police frequently pay more for that portion of the tax bill?

I don't use the social services dept at all so I don't want to pay for that either.

My kids aren't going to Nassau Community College so I think I'll deduct that also.

The whole idea behind taxes is that everyone contributes to everything - otherwise just eliminate the taxes and pay as you go.

Good good - very good. That's the idea. No more free crap for anyone. Let's see how fast all the illegals & layabouts leave the County - maybe the State. Fiscal balance here we come.

[only smart buyers]

An enormous tax bill makes your house less marketable. Ever thought of that?

Not everyone is looking at the tax bills when they buy - especially people coming from out of town. They don't think it's as much as it'll be. That's why so many foreigners moving in when the middle class moves out. Then they foreclose.