Another Moron Responding Bidding for Brookhave and Isilp

[Craig Hoyt]

must be a vollie

Any truth to this

No there is no truth. It wouldn't be cost effective to either township. And how can the place bids on them if there are no bids being excepted?

[SORRY CHARLIE]

They can bid all they want, Suffolk County LAW would prohibit them from actually doing any work:

Chapter 393, PROPRIETARY AMBULANCE COMPANIES, ABUSES OF





[HISTORY: Adopted by the Suffolk County Legislature 9-14-1993 as L.L. No. 21-1993. Amendments noted where applicable.]




§ 393-1. Legislative intent.




A.This Legislature hereby finds and determines that certain proprietary ambulance companies and/or advanced life-support first-responder services monitor, intercept or otherwise receive the alarm transmissions of law enforcement agencies, fire service agencies, other ambulance services or advanced life-support first-responder services, and that such proprietary ambulance companies use information contained in such alarm transmissions for the purposes of dispatching resources to, or responding to, such alarms without a written mutual-aid agreement authorizing such responses.




B.This Legislature further finds and determines that such dual, uncoordinated and unnecessary responses on the part of such proprietary ambulance companies constitute an unsafe practice.




C.This Legislature also finds that such unsafe and uncoordinated responses on the part of such proprietary ambulance companies interferes with the emergency medical services provided by volunteer fire departments and volunteer ambulance companies which provide such services as a municipal entity or pursuant to a written agreement with local government.




D.This Legislature also finds and determines that the behavior of such proprietary ambulance companies and their employees in undertaking such responses have a deleterious effect upon the volunteer providers, contribute to high stress and low morale in the volunteer service and increase the cost of providing such services to local taxpayers and third-party insurers.




E.Therefore, the purpose of this law is to stop the abuses and unsafe practices caused by the uncoordinated and unnecessary response of these proprietary ambulance companies and to stop such proprietary companies from responding to alarms that they have monitored, intercepted or otherwise received and for which no written mutual-aid agreements exist.




§ 393-2. Prohibited acts.




No proprietary agency providing ambulance or advanced life-support first-responder service shall monitor, intercept or otherwise receive any radio, telephone or other form of alarm transmission of any law enforcement agency, any fire service agency, any ambulance service or any advanced life-support first-responder service and use information contained in such alarm transmission for the purposes of dispatching resources to or responding to any such alarms, except when responding pursuant to a written mutual-aid agreement authorized by an appropriate municipality.




§ 393-3. Violations and penalties.




Any proprietary agency providing ambulance service or advanced life-support first-responder service which is found to be in violation of § 393-2 of this law shall not be eligible to enter into nor to execute any agreements with the county for the provision of advanced life-support services; shall not be permitted to provide any services which are paid for in part or in whole by the benefits of any group health insurance program funded by the county; and shall not be permitted to serve as a Medicare or Medicaid vendor for the County Department of Social Services.




§ 393-4. Applicability.




This law shall apply to emergency responses occurring on or after the effective date of this law.

They can bid all they want, Suffolk County LAW would prohibit them from actually doing any work:

Chapter 393, PROPRIETARY AMBULANCE COMPANIES, ABUSES OF





[HISTORY: Adopted by the Suffolk County Legislature 9-14-1993 as L.L. No. 21-1993. Amendments noted where applicable.]




§ 393-1. Legislative intent.




A.This Legislature hereby finds and determines that certain proprietary ambulance companies and/or advanced life-support first-responder services monitor, intercept or otherwise receive the alarm transmissions of law enforcement agencies, fire service agencies, other ambulance services or advanced life-support first-responder services, and that such proprietary ambulance companies use information contained in such alarm transmissions for the purposes of dispatching resources to, or responding to, such alarms without a written mutual-aid agreement authorizing such responses.




B.This Legislature further finds and determines that such dual, uncoordinated and unnecessary responses on the part of such proprietary ambulance companies constitute an unsafe practice.




C.This Legislature also finds that such unsafe and uncoordinated responses on the part of such proprietary ambulance companies interferes with the emergency medical services provided by volunteer fire departments and volunteer ambulance companies which provide such services as a municipal entity or pursuant to a written agreement with local government.




D.This Legislature also finds and determines that the behavior of such proprietary ambulance companies and their employees in undertaking such responses have a deleterious effect upon the volunteer providers, contribute to high stress and low morale in the volunteer service and increase the cost of providing such services to local taxpayers and third-party insurers.




E.Therefore, the purpose of this law is to stop the abuses and unsafe practices caused by the uncoordinated and unnecessary response of these proprietary ambulance companies and to stop such proprietary companies from responding to alarms that they have monitored, intercepted or otherwise received and for which no written mutual-aid agreements exist.




§ 393-2. Prohibited acts.




No proprietary agency providing ambulance or advanced life-support first-responder service shall monitor, intercept or otherwise receive any radio, telephone or other form of alarm transmission of any law enforcement agency, any fire service agency, any ambulance service or any advanced life-support first-responder service and use information contained in such alarm transmission for the purposes of dispatching resources to or responding to any such alarms, except when responding pursuant to a written mutual-aid agreement authorized by an appropriate municipality.




§ 393-3. Violations and penalties.




Any proprietary agency providing ambulance service or advanced life-support first-responder service which is found to be in violation of § 393-2 of this law shall not be eligible to enter into nor to execute any agreements with the county for the provision of advanced life-support services; shall not be permitted to provide any services which are paid for in part or in whole by the benefits of any group health insurance program funded by the county; and shall not be permitted to serve as a Medicare or Medicaid vendor for the County Department of Social Services.




§ 393-4. Applicability.




This law shall apply to emergency responses occurring on or after the effective date of this law.
Yeah, but Brookhave and Isilp probably are somewhere else, we only have brookhaven and islip

[what a moron]

i heard this over a year ago and it was retarded then

AMR doesn't have the buses in suffolk to really run 911 and do the rest of the crap they do

[ProEMT]

OK, so sorry charlie can cut and paste, but maybe you need to actually read the post.

Chapter 393, PROPRIETARY AMBULANCE COMPANIES, ABUSES OF

A.This Legislature hereby finds and determines that certain proprietary ambulance companies and/or advanced life-support first-responder services monitor, intercept or otherwise receive the alarm transmissions of law enforcement agencies, fire service agencies, other ambulance services or advanced life-support first-responder services, and that such proprietary ambulance companies use information contained in such alarm transmissions for the purposes of dispatching resources to, or responding to, such alarms without a written mutual-aid agreement authorizing such responses

WITHOUT A WRITTEN MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT

Hmmmmm, a written document detailing the coverage, how, what, and where to respond. Sounds like a contract to me.

[Lets Go Paid]

That law will be repealed by REMSCO...it actually only prohibits privates from monitoring 911 and jumping calls. Actually if they were allowed to do it, it would be a great thing..EMS response times would improve greatly. Private companies should all put in a bid to cover the whole county..get rid of the inept volunteer system, and get real EMS response.

[quote="Lets Go Paid"]That law will be repealed by REMSCO...it actually only prohibits privates from monitoring 911 and jumping calls. Actually if they were allowed to do it, it would be a great thing..EMS response times would improve greatly. Private companies should all put in a bid to cover the whole county..get rid of the inept volunteer system, and get real EMS response.[/quote


LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............inept volunteer system? Have you ever seen the privates around here. The privates are only used as a stepping stone for people to learn how to write PCR's and so on. and the older people in the privates either are retired and keep it as 2nd income or they are just that bad

[2cool4school]

I dont know why people think AMR or some other private could jump in and suddenly takeover 911 service.

they can barely keep their own bls transports on time for dialysis and other crap.

if they got the contract, they'd have to prove that they could immediately get more ambulances, more equipment, more personnel, more dispatchers, a way to receive calls from SCPD Turret Operators, etc. this isn't happening any time.

what suffolk really needs if it went to all paid system to all or part of the county is to run like the city and have real call prioritizing and system status management. there is no need for someone who calls up with a yeast infection to get an ambulance immediately, especially if there are other higher priority calls pending and such.

I think FDNY EMS has 6 categories of priority, and that while everyone will get an ambulance, it might not be there in 5 minutes. For high priority calls, usually theres an amb there within 5 to 10 minutes. Lower priorty can be several hours, depending on call volume.

[joll e vollie]

I think the privates would be standing in line 10 deep to bid on LI's ambulance business. They routinely have to staff up service when they get new contracts and I don't believe it would be hard to improve on the current response levels.

Unless the volunteer system can step up and start fixing our problems, we are just talking about when, not if, the system goes paid and ambulance calls get billed.

[ProEMT]

If the privates were to get contract coverage, all the jolly volly emt's would be lining up to get hired. So coverage isn't a problem, only training the volley's how to really provide ems coverage would take some time.

If the privates were to get contract coverage, all the jolly volly emt's would be lining up to get hired. So coverage isn't a problem, only training the volley's how to really provide ems coverage would take some time.

MOST of the EMT's working for privates ARE volunteers in their home departments.
ASS.

[ProEMT]

And those jolly volley EMT's are the ones the field training officers are always trying to understand how to provide real prehospital care. Not just complain when asked to take a patient past a closer hospital because all the patients care was rendered at the further facility and maybe the staff there can do a better job since they have all the records and treated the patient in the past.

This is the biggest crock of SHlT I've ever heard! What a waste of a post!

"Not just complain when asked to take a patient past a closer hospital because all the patients care was rendered at the further facility and maybe the staff there can do a better job since they have all the records and treated the patient in the past."


It's NYS protocol to transport to the CLOSEST hospital, for a medical EMERGENCY.

And if it's not an EMERGENCY, YOU SHOULDN'T BE CALLING AN AMBULANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!

[ProEMT]

It is an emergency based on the patients presentation and the ability of the techs to treat and control the patient condition enroute.

If you look at the state protocols it is the closest appropriate hospital. This is why trauma patients bypass hospitals such as Brunswick and Central Suffolk for Good Sam and Brookhaven.

not

If the privates were to get contract coverage, all the jolly volly emt's would be lining up to get hired. So coverage isn't a problem, only training the volley's how to really provide ems coverage would take some time. :twisted: