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Jack is better
10-29-2010, 02:56 PM
Both of these guys were sharp and intelligent and debated with vigor. Even scoring the debate is close - pretty much a draw.

On politics, each score high in resonating with their party's ideology.

On looking out for the senatorial district constituents' best interests, Jack Martins clearly comes out on top. Didn't Johnson vote in favor of the disgusting MTA tax? The MTA is very disfunctional and hasn't gotten any better. Does Johnson properly represent his Long Island constituents, or does he consistently side with NYC interests? That answer is obvious if you look at the facts. Craig Johnson has failed us.

Jack Martins has been a success in his village. He espouses a fiscally conservative approach, and is serious about eliminating the wasteful spending that has crippled us.

The fairly even-handed debate from a technical standpoint turns favorably toward Martins on policies, and is also exemplified in Jack's final comments. Jack Martins definitely deserves to win the district and begin the work to improve the quality of life for all constituents.

Nth shore fox
10-30-2010, 04:48 AM
Who is hotter Jack or Craig?

matchmaker4u
10-30-2010, 05:02 AM
Depends. If you're into fat guys then it's Craig.

Uncampaigner
10-30-2010, 07:01 AM
Both of these guys were sharp and intelligent and debated with vigor. Even scoring the debate is close - pretty much a draw.

On politics, each score high in resonating with their party's ideology.

On looking out for the senatorial district constituents' best interests, Jack Martins clearly comes out on top. Didn't Johnson vote in favor of the disgusting MTA tax? The MTA is very disfunctional and hasn't gotten any better. Does Johnson properly represent his Long Island constituents, or does he consistently side with NYC interests? That answer is obvious if you look at the facts. Craig Johnson has failed us.

Jack Martins has been a success in his village. He espouses a fiscally conservative approach, and is serious about eliminating the wasteful spending that has crippled us.

The fairly even-handed debate from a technical standpoint turns favorably toward Martins on policies, and is also exemplified in Jack's final comments. Jack Martins definitely deserves to win the district and begin the work to improve the quality of life for all constituents.

It's nice to see you're campaigning for Martins on here, but here's a question for you: you say Martins "espouses" a fiscally conservative approach, but does he practice what he preaches? How has he governed in Mineola? What government spending did he cut?

Unregisteredvom
10-30-2010, 10:28 AM
It's nice to see you're campaigning for Martins on here, but here's a question for you: you say Martins "espouses" a fiscally conservative approach, but does he practice what he preaches? How has he governed in Mineola? What government spending did he cut?

clearly you dont live in Mineola or else you would know the answer to that. Just ask the employees who had to begin contributing to their insurance. Lowering tax cert payments, new solid waste contract saving millions...shall I go on? But what's the point? You can not like the guy, you can like the other guy but for crying out loud give the Martins credit where it is due. You can still vote for Johnson, If Martins loses is will Mineola's gain if he wins it will be the 7th Senatorial Districts gain. Who wins if Johnson wins? NYC

Uncampaigner
10-30-2010, 10:58 AM
clearly you dont live in Mineola or else you would know the answer to that. Just ask the employees who had to begin contributing to their insurance. Lowering tax cert payments, new solid waste contract saving millions...shall I go on? But what's the point? You can not like the guy, you can like the other guy but for crying out loud give the Martins credit where it is due. You can still vote for Johnson, If Martins loses is will Mineola's gain if he wins it will be the 7th Senatorial Districts gain. Who wins if Johnson wins? NYC

You're partly right. I NO LONGER live in Mineola. I moved out. The declining schools (some of which will now be closed) and the declining quality of life were nothing that I wanted to subject my children to. You say Martins lowered tax cert payments and got a new solid waste contract. Well where did the money go, because it certainly did not go to reducing taxes.

NYC Dem
10-30-2010, 12:01 PM
The issues that are important to Craig:

GAY MARRIAGE (Co-Sponsor)

CELEBRATING THE RIGHT OF CROSS DRESSRRS (Genda Act)

HIGHER TAXES TO PAY FOR IMPORTANT GOVT SVS (voted for all tax inc)

HIGHER SPENDING THAT IS NEEDED TO HELP FINANCE GOVT PROGRAMS (did not oppose)

ENCOURAGE MASS TRANSIT (MTA Tax, Higher Train, Bus fares)

LESS CONSTITUANT SVE (Rarely responds to constituants)

EDUCATIONAL EQUALITY-Move Money from his district and LI Districts to NYC public schools.

His Supporters:

Empire Pride Agenda-Radical gay group

LI Progressive Campaign-Socialist group

Malcolm Smith-Ethically challenged Senate Leader

NYC Interests

The list goes on and on.

Craig Nogood
10-30-2010, 01:19 PM
The issues that are important to Craig:

GAY MARRIAGE (Co-Sponsor)

CELEBRATING THE RIGHT OF CROSS DRESSRRS (Genda Act)

HIGHER TAXES TO PAY FOR IMPORTANT GOVT SVS (voted for all tax inc)

HIGHER SPENDING THAT IS NEEDED TO HELP FINANCE GOVT PROGRAMS (did not oppose)

ENCOURAGE MASS TRANSIT (MTA Tax, Higher Train, Bus fares)

LESS CONSTITUANT SVE (Rarely responds to constituants)

EDUCATIONAL EQUALITY-Move Money from his district and LI Districts to NYC public schools.

His Supporters:

Empire Pride Agenda-Radical gay group

LI Progressive Campaign-Socialist group

Malcolm Smith-Ethically challenged Senate Leader

NYC Interests

The list goes on and on.

That's gross. I dislike Craig ever the more. Thanks for pointing all that out.

MINEOLA MOVIN OUT
10-30-2010, 01:58 PM
Saved us money? How much do you think it will cost the VOM to defend itself against the decision of Mayor Martins to eliminate the union position off the cuff? He stated at the last September public meeting (last meeting he was at BTW) that they were eliminating the BZA Secy job to save money.

Bull !!!

Chick that had the job shot her mouth off to the wrong staff member and after years of hearing complaints, Martins finally let her go. But he didn't do it right and now the union is suing. Martins is a lawyer and we pay John Spellman for legal advice. But they don't know the right way to get a job done and make it stick.

Union chiefs aren't stupid. They know that budget hearings are in the spring and that was the time to cut jobs to save money. Where is the cost savings? Martins gets a nice salary, Spellmen gets good $$$ and pension time accrual, we pay him to defend a lawsuit - more big bucks - and the secretary gets to collect unemployment while the union fights her battles.

Martins is a crook and a liar. Just like Colbert was before him.

Former JM Fan
10-31-2010, 10:46 AM
Google ev68354

C Y martins is losing fans. He plays people 4 fools.

UnregisteredGOP
10-31-2010, 04:15 PM
Saved us money? How much do you think it will cost the VOM to defend itself against the decision of Mayor Martins to eliminate the union position off the cuff? He stated at the last September public meeting (last meeting he was at BTW) that they were eliminating the BZA Secy job to save money.

Bull !!!

Chick that had the job shot her mouth off to the wrong staff member and after years of hearing complaints, Martins finally let her go. But he didn't do it right and now the union is suing. Martins is a lawyer and we pay John Spellman for legal advice. But they don't know the right way to get a job done and make it stick.

Union chiefs aren't stupid. They know that budget hearings are in the spring and that was the time to cut jobs to save money. Where is the cost savings? Martins gets a nice salary, Spellmen gets good $$$ and pension time accrual, we pay him to defend a lawsuit - more big bucks - and the secretary gets to collect unemployment while the union fights her battles.

Martins is a crook and a liar. Just like Colbert was before him.

Jack can't even tell the truth to the residents in his own village....Watch him in action at the public meetings. At least the ones where he chooses to go to.

Jesus of Mineola
10-31-2010, 05:17 PM
jack makes it close but he didnt pound the pavement in June-July when he needed to. Thats "la difference" in this race. Sorry folks.


Poison is good if u take it-

Moe Howard

Bloated mr colbert
10-31-2010, 10:27 PM
the no number devious voice of a lgbt saying jack martins is a crook is all u got ugly craig with ur tax raising left wing agenda ur sleezy underhanded superiority u have one line the toxic line this year thats why u have nothing positive to say u are done by a comfortable margin the wave is here ugly lgbt boy and ur gone including delany and his girl in ur office and kaiman running from rafe and his troubles u swept under the rug as all tonh officals being to be deposed for various criminal investigations its over jersey boy and manhattan boy and colbert the feed bag of wind who no one knows the loser from uptsate that almost backrupted mineola adn removed in east rockaway done

UnregisteredGOP
11-01-2010, 04:04 PM
the no number devious voice of a lgbt saying jack martins is a crook is all u got ugly craig with ur tax raising left wing agenda ur sleezy underhanded superiority u have one line the toxic line this year thats why u have nothing positive to say u are done by a comfortable margin the wave is here ugly lgbt boy and ur gone including delany and his girl in ur office and kaiman running from rafe and his troubles u swept under the rug as all tonh officals being to be deposed for various criminal investigations its over jersey boy and manhattan boy and colbert the feed bag of wind who no one knows the loser from uptsate that almost backrupted mineola adn removed in east rockaway done

Step away from the liquor cabinet.

Admiral Halsey
11-01-2010, 11:40 PM
the no number devious voice of a lgbt saying jack martins is a crook is all u got ugly craig with ur tax raising left wing agenda ur sleezy underhanded superiority u have one line the toxic line this year thats why u have nothing positive to say u are done by a comfortable margin the wave is here ugly lgbt boy and ur gone including delany and his girl in ur office and kaiman running from rafe and his troubles u swept under the rug as all tonh officals being to be deposed for various criminal investigations its over jersey boy and manhattan boy and colbert the feed bag of wind who no one knows the loser from uptsate that almost backrupted mineola adn removed in east rockaway done

Say what?????

Go Jack! Go Jack!
11-02-2010, 12:48 PM
I hope that Jack rids us of that dud Johnson.

Captain Spalding
11-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Go! Keep Going. Farther. Farther. OOPS!!!

He's gone!

CraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiG
11-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Looks like he's finally gone :)

Unregisteredsde4
11-03-2010, 02:02 AM
Looks like he's finally gone :)

at 130am Johnson up over 1200.

toofarginbad
11-03-2010, 03:37 AM
final tally.... MARTINS WINS BY 1500+ VOTES
Haaa....Haaaaa..... Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Buh Bye Craig!
11-03-2010, 09:39 AM
Congratulations Jack! Good riddance Craig!