Suffolk Needs Paid FF's!

[Needs]

When will this happen?

[Unregistered415]

Well after your dead and gone!!!

[Unregisteredhahalol]

Well after your dead and gone!!!

..then, maybe.

[Unregisteredfdmember]

It will happen when there is a serious fire causing a substantial loss of life and property because we (yes I am a Vollie) can't respond quickly enough to save the lives of innocent people who were always sure we woould be there in no time. It will change when an influential politician or family loses a loved one because an ambulance could not repspond in a time appropriate to saving a life. It will happen when the volunteers finally say the burden is too great on the few of us who are active, and we get tired of the sacrifices we and our families make every day to keep a totally volunteer fire department going. And finally it will happen when the civil service commission or the attorney general decides to look in to all the alarms that housemen and women or fire house maintainers respond to each and everyday without state recognized firefighter 1 and 2 certification and while accruing points for LOSAP while working.

Oh the previous responder may be correct, it may happen when your dead, I just hope you aren't the catalyst for the inevitable change in our service.

[Unregistered12321]

uh oh here we go again.. either a volunteer that was kicked out, or a FDNY member tired of paying the tolls. Drop dead pal. If it goes paid, say goodbye to 3/4s of the island because NO ONE will be able to afford to live here. This is a dead issue. ambulance paid people..yes thats a great idea. Thats cost effective. Paid FDS. the island would be bankrupt inside of 5 years

[Unregisteredasdfasd]

You think it might be a little more cost effective if we sell off the ridiculous firehouses, substations, real estate, unnecessary trucks and vehicles, cut catering and liquor expenses, cut installation dinners, downsize the number of firemen...all while improving response times, eliminating the ridiculous practice of having 3 trucks and 20 people responding to put down speedi dry, and having a more streamlined effective service??

[Unregisteredduh]

NO, but let the Fire House closest to your home be the first to close, and be sold off

[installation]

I always love the Installation Dinner arguments. 2 points: in many cases, the members pay for hotel rooms on their own, but they cut checks to the department/company so that the hotel is receiving one check instead of 200. Secondly, the cost of the Installation won't even be able to cover the cost of one employee for the year per district.

[Unregisteredmay I]

NO, but let the Fire House closest to your home be the first to close, and be sold off
If fire districts have rates that are less than Paid police and all of them do currently, with the exception of Gordon Heights, then I think the Vollie System is working. Once the Fire Service tax rates exceed that threshold then you need to have the conversation.

GHFD is the only district that should be closed at this point.

[Unregisteredsadfswqe]

I always love the Installation Dinner arguments. 2 points: in many cases, the members pay for hotel rooms on their own, but they cut checks to the department/company so that the hotel is receiving one check instead of 200. Secondly, the cost of the Installation won't even be able to cover the cost of one employee for the year per district.

"In many cases..." How about the rest of the points?? How about the fact that LI is a densely populated area that deserves to have response times in line with major metropolitan areas, yet residents are stuck waiting for some buff to get from his residence to the firehouse to the scene.

[Unregisteredkuy]

"In many cases..." How about the rest of the points?? How about the fact that LI is a densely populated area that deserves to have response times in line with major metropolitan areas, yet residents are stuck waiting for some buff to get from his residence to the firehouse to the scene.

First off show a little gratitude, because it will be a while before suffolk goes paid, and until then it will be "some Buff" coming to your house or families house when you need it. No one will argue that the response time of a volunteer department will be able to compare to a paid service, however until then how about showing a little thanks and gratitude to the buffs that come to your house, or better yet just don't talk. Because once suffolk does go paid, which i as well as i think most volly members think that it will eventually, your going to be the first one crying about your how your taxes are to high, or that they get paid to much and just sit around answering automatic alarms.

I think that before suffolk become a fully paid fire service that individual houses or districts are going to start implimenting paid day crews. The hardest part of the day for a volly service to get response is during the day, while a majority of the members are working. If posistions were created for a paid day crew then this would help. However, taxes are going to go up because your going to need enough members to offset shifts. In the long run this if it happens is only a temporary fix. Also all this fix is doing is increasing man power and response time, it is not helping with the tax burdened tax payers, it would make it worse. I think the only way to lower the tax base as well as increase response time is to eventually consolidate departments into paid companies similar to the city to cover larger areas. While you will have to pay employees you will also not have to continually purchase the vast amount of apparatus for each company as a department does for its single district.

Another thing is to consider why you are so upset with response time. A majority of the volly houses in suffolk see maybe 6 (not a factual number) or so structure fires a year. Some go a year with out 1. However, these departments are also handeling 800 or so alarms, not including ambulance. Yes 90% of these alarms turn out to be burnt food, or a false alarm. But how are you going to feel when instead of sending volly members to these calls, who get paid top dollar lol , your sending in paid crews. We are going to create paid jobs just so that the automatic alarms that usually turns out to be nothing gets a quicker response time.

Either way you can't please everyone, there is always going to be some dick who knows everything, does nothing and has all the answers from behind his keyboard in his mothers basement.

[Unregisteredxcvzb]

First off show a little gratitude, because it will be a while before suffolk goes paid, and until then it will be "some Buff" coming to your house or families house when you need it. No one will argue that the response time of a volunteer department will be able to compare to a paid service, however until then how about showing a little thanks and gratitude to the buffs that come to your house, or better yet just don't talk. Because once suffolk does go paid, which i as well as i think most volly members think that it will eventually, your going to be the first one crying about your how your taxes are to high, or that they get paid to much and just sit around answering automatic alarms.

I think that before suffolk become a fully paid fire service that individual houses or districts are going to start implimenting paid day crews. The hardest part of the day for a volly service to get response is during the day, while a majority of the members are working. If posistions were created for a paid day crew then this would help. However, taxes are going to go up because your going to need enough members to offset shifts. In the long run this if it happens is only a temporary fix. Also all this fix is doing is increasing man power and response time, it is not helping with the tax burdened tax payers, it would make it worse. I think the only way to lower the tax base as well as increase response time is to eventually consolidate departments into paid companies similar to the city to cover larger areas. While you will have to pay employees you will also not have to continually purchase the vast amount of apparatus for each company as a department does for its single district.

Another thing is to consider why you are so upset with response time. A majority of the volly houses in suffolk see maybe 6 (not a factual number) or so structure fires a year. Some go a year with out 1. However, these departments are also handeling 800 or so alarms, not including ambulance. Yes 90% of these alarms turn out to be burnt food, or a false alarm. But how are you going to feel when instead of sending volly members to these calls, who get paid top dollar lol , your sending in paid crews. We are going to create paid jobs just so that the automatic alarms that usually turns out to be nothing gets a quicker response time.

Either way you can't please everyone, there is always going to be some dick who knows everything, does nothing and has all the answers from behind his keyboard in his mothers basement.

Show thanks for what? If, as you say, most departments have less than 6 fires a year, why do we need so many departments? Why does each dept. need a HQ and 3-5 substations that are never used. Why do 10 fd vehicles need to respond to calls that are obviously false alarms? Why do these buffs need to tie up traffic on major roads in rush hour just to put down speedi-dry? And above all, why do these losers get such a kick out of taking pictures at fire scenes? I don't see LIPA workers taking photos of power lines, or bus drivers taking pictures of buses, so why do these vollies have multiple publications dedicated to other people's misery?

[Unregisteredwow]

Show thanks for what? If, as you say, most departments have less than 6 fires a year, why do we need so many departments? Why does each dept. need a HQ and 3-5 substations that are never used. Why do 10 fd vehicles need to respond to calls that are obviously false alarms? Why do these buffs need to tie up traffic on major roads in rush hour just to put down speedi-dry? And above all, why do these losers get such a kick out of taking pictures at fire scenes? I don't see LIPA workers taking photos of power lines, or bus drivers taking pictures of buses, so why do these vollies have multiple publications dedicated to other people's misery?

Show thanks for what? If, as you say, most departments have less than 6 fires a year, why do we need so many departments?

Because fires are not the only thing that the fire department is dispatched for. We go to but not limited to residential and commercial fires, car accidents, heavy rescue, brush fires, car fires, downed electrical lines and poles, search and rescue (in collapse zones), victims traped, boating accidents, boat fires, ems assists, basement floods, road floods, emergeny helicopter landings (ie. medivac), mutual aide to neighboring departments for all previously stated, and so on. Yes most of the local fire districts fight around 6 on average a year, but they also go to all the mutual aides to there local districts as well, those are not considered in a departments fire count for a year. However there are some volly departments that take on 20 or more a year. The reason we need so many departments is because the amount of residents in the districts. Not all fire companies or districts reside in a small village. Most departments actually cover a large amount of area.


Why does each dept. need a HQ and 3-5 substations that are never used. Why do 10 fd vehicles need to respond to calls that are obviously false alarms?

In districts that are large or cover a large area substations are needed because of the size. In alot of departments who have substations they get broken into companies to handle calls. In other departments the substations have become almost there own department in that the district becomes almost subdevided amonst the hq and substations. Then when a call goes off whichever house or station is closest will handle the call instead of sending an entire department.

I would not be complaining that 10 vehicle are going to a call. Because when its your house or business those horns being heard down the road are whats coming to help or even save you or you family. Also we do not get to judge what a call is, if it is real or bullshit, every call is gone to as if it were work. We could have a faulty smoke detector go off for weeks, which it has, and that one day the detector is not faulty and it is work, which has happened. We volunteer to help the community, which is what we do.



Why do these buffs need to tie up traffic on major roads in rush hour just to put down speedi-dry? And above all, why do these losers get such a kick out of taking pictures at fire scenes? I don't see LIPA workers taking photos of power lines, or bus drivers taking pictures of buses, so why do these vollies have multiple publications dedicated to other people's misery?



First off traffic is not caused by fire trucks, it caused by accidents which we then respond to. Why do we lay down speedy dry, because were are told to. Would you rather we leave the oil or fuel spill on the road so that you or a friend or a family member of yours can drive over it and lose control of there car and cause another accident ( and then tie of traffic even worse, since thats all your worried about). Why do we get a kick, some of the shit we see is incredible, cars turned into tuna cans and we are able to get the victims out, in some cases mirraculasly there fine. Alot of members take pictures just to show what the saw, some people take pictures to bring back to the fire house to go over how the call went and how we can better our response or actions by viewing these pictures, others just take them for whatever reason. I dont think any one should be taking pictures unless it is being used as a tool to train ( fire men taking pictures, not including fire news or news stations). Were not lipa and we sure as shit ainr bus drivers, we dont pick up kids from school. How about a more similar comparison.
Why do we have publications, i have no idea. Some person was smart started them and is making great money, ask him. These magazines or papers also advertise training being offered, apparatus and new tools of the trade, as well as publicize the work the departments do. Its great to see pictures and articles of local departments saving a person, or making a good push and saving a house from burning down.


Obviously your just some unhappy little man who has nothing positive to say, a pot sturing troll with no drive to do anything in life. If put as much effort as you do in complaining into everyday life maybe you would be able to do somthing with your life. Just becasue you drive by an accident and see speedy dry being put down doesnt mean that was all that was down, maybe 10 min earlier a person was pulled from the car and their life saved. Just because you hear horns in the middle of the night doesnt mean were going to an automatic alarm, maybe were on our way to someone you know to help or save them. And so you know those lights and sirens are there for my safety and yours. You ever had someone pull out infront of you in your little car not couldnt stop intime, try having that happen in a fire or rescue truck full of water and tools. Those are there so that you know we are coming. Yet people still do not hear and see us, we have many close calls of people almost hitting us because they are not paying attention. And if we are on our way to a call and a chief or member is on scene and nothing is wrong a signal 4 is given and we slow down and do not put on the sirens, so we dont bother the neighborhood for no reason. We are not hear to piss people off, we here to help and will continue so. If people like you would take the time and educate themselves and see the amount of calls we go to, training we go through and hours upon hurs spent aweek away from our families to volunteer im sure you would shut up pretty quick.

Now you sit there and think of another little bullshit little minded reason to complain about the men and women of your community who are there to help people, even assholes like you.

[another idiot speaks]

You want to go paid in Nassau and Suffolk, fine. What scares me is your lack of concern over the school tax, the out of control salaries of educators, with lack luster effort towards the children. It's a shame because I believe within ten to fifteen years, your dream will become a reality. THe economy is soo terrible, most "buffs" as you call them work second and third jobs, while still trying to maintain that pecentage. What has Long Island evolved too?


Nassau County is turning into Queens, as Suffolk in the new Nassau. There are two types of class catagories in Long Island. The rich, then the poor. The term middle class is being phased out at an alarming rate, with no concern from our politicians. Look around and see how gas spikes in price whenever an speculator farts. I wish you the best of luck and even more luck to your children trying to get and keep a job on Long Island. You blast the "buffs" for closing your precious hwy down while putting speedy dri down. Do a little googling of paid firefighters deaths in the line of duty. Go see how many are killed by motorists in such a fucking hurry to have the Mickey D's for dinner. You crybabys really need to pick and choose a better battle. Cops hanging out in firehouses all tour long doesn't bother you? Your son or daughter's second grade teacher, tooling around in a C class Benz doesn't stoke your spark. What really gets that dick hard is tearing apart some poor slob who vollies his little to no free time.


God bless you


MichaelMcNarrie2312vc@gmail.com

[trophy award]

great response to the nit wits and nayers!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregisteredfdmember]

uh oh here we go again.. either a volunteer that was kicked out, or a FDNY member tired of paying the tolls. Drop dead pal. If it goes paid, say goodbye to 3/4s of the island because NO ONE will be able to afford to live here. This is a dead issue. ambulance paid people..yes thats a great idea. Thats cost effective. Paid FDS. the island would be bankrupt inside of 5 years

Listen dickhead, I probably have more active time in the fireservice than 80% of the current members, I have served several times in the Chiefs office, Having been Chief of Department for 4 years, not including the 6 years as a deputy, and still make 65% of the calls - not as a driver but I am on the nozzle at most fires. So don't lump me in with the disgruntled volunteer who was no doubt thrown out for good reason. The fact of the matter is that our daytime response sucks, and we are band aiding a system that was just not designed or ever invisioned to be capable of responding to the 1000-2500 calls the average deprtment gets each year. I stand by my original statement, until somebody dies because of our delayed response everything will be ok, but someday, and I certainly hope never, somebody will loose a life because we just can't do what is required of us any longer. It's time to seek alternatives to supplement the volunteers,

[UnregisteredJerk]

To the OP - I heard Paladino was going to disband all volunteer fire companies and place a state wide paid fire service. Too bad for you I guess.

[Unregistereddude]

Show thanks for what? If, as you say, most departments have less than 6 fires a year, why do we need so many departments? Why does each dept. need a HQ and 3-5 substations that are never used. Why do 10 fd vehicles need to respond to calls that are obviously false alarms? Why do these buffs need to tie up traffic on major roads in rush hour just to put down speedi-dry? And above all, why do these losers get such a kick out of taking pictures at fire scenes? I don't see LIPA workers taking photos of power lines, or bus drivers taking pictures of buses, so why do these vollies have multiple publications dedicated to other people's misery?



Dude you have many problems with life it seems and not the FD

[Unregistered876543]

It's not known if taxes will go up down or stay the same but one thing volunteers DO know is that the 20% of the members that do 90% of the work are getting worn out. Myself included. It's no longer fair to families or ourselves to carry the burden while thankless people depend on us. INCLUDING the 80% of each fire department that are DO NOTHINGS! You know who you guys are...Maybe it IS time to have a combination department......

[the chief]

suffolk county fire departments need to get rid of chiefs like the one west babylon fire department has. he has screwed the system for 7 years and the district secretary. we need paid !

[May B. Uare]

suffolk county fire departments need to get rid of chiefs like the one west babylon fire department has. he has screwed the system for 7 years and the district secretary. we need paid !

Jealous you didn't get a slice of her?


Thought she would be easy and she rejected you?

[john p. daily 1930]

suffolk county fire departments need to get rid of chiefs like the one west babylon fire department has. he has screwed the system for 7 years and the district secretary. we need paid !

oh boy this chief is a jerk, the whole county is aware of this

[UnregisteredCoramFDblows]

Yes Suffolk should go paid! This would eliminate a bunch of asshole firefighters from Coram FD any we could put an end to the bashing. Besides maybe then would could have Men well fit and intelligent on the job!

[Unregisteredpaidfffs]

[QUOTE=UnregisteredCoramFDblows;412837]Yes Suffolk should go paid! This would eliminate a bunch of asshole firefighters

The theft happened Nov. 20, at a fundraiser sponsored by a group of firefighters. According to Colleen Sullivan, about $7,000 cash collected that night was put in an envelope and then placed in a box with about $1,000 in checks that were collected at an earlier fundraiser.

But the box was stolen at the end of the night when a family friend put it down for a moment.

Way to go....you know that was an FDNY inside job

[Nice try, but.]

[QUOTE=UnregisteredCoramFDblows;412837]Yes Suffolk should go paid! This would eliminate a bunch of asshole firefighters

The theft happened Nov. 20, at a fundraiser sponsored by a group of firefighters. According to Colleen Sullivan, about $7,000 cash collected that night was put in an envelope and then placed in a box with about $1,000 in checks that were collected at an earlier fundraiser.

But the box was stolen at the end of the night when a family friend put it down for a moment.

Way to go....you know that was an FDNY inside job

You have to reach this low to make a point?

Tell ya what, IF it was an FDNY member, the job will more than likely have him arrested, tried, and if found guilty, fired.

The vollies would elect him to office.

[isteredrrrrrrrrdg]

What is the cost per alarm in Suffolk County?

[Unregistered808]

another FDNY guy who thisnks his shit dont stink im tired of these EXPERTS fdny ffs sit there n do nothing like puppets there no smarter then the vollies but we have a heart n care they do it for money fdny go shit in ya hat im tired of these jerks

[6436568596]

why

[my pay day]

i cant wait for this to happen they will pick me cause i hang out all day and wait for calls.

[FDNY7980]

another FDNY guy who thisnks his shit dont stink im tired of these EXPERTS fdny ffs sit there n do nothing like puppets there no smarter then the vollies but we have a heart n care they do it for money fdny go shit in ya hat im tired of these jerks

My God did you get out of the 5th grade, by your spelling , maybe not