2 yr extension

[ga ga gary]

2 yr deal = 3.9, 3.9, disposal of quarterly days in exchange for suozzi endorsement.

this is coming down prior to election day for both suozzi and g.d.

[flatfoot]

If that was only true!!! If we could only get a few of the old time Nassau Bosses to come out of the closet maybe we could begin to restore the morale in the once great NCPD 8)

[ga ga gary]

flatfoot and all you others,

this is coming down and you heard it here first, but not for a few months. it's all politics and timing is everything.

[2 dollars a day]

thats the tax to cops for getting the message out. right out of d paycheck to cover advertising costs.

the once great NCPD

In what century was that? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flatfoot]

Dear guest you must be a rookie. Their was a time when the lowest street cop was treated like a human being. A time before Nasstat and Souzzi

How can any NCPD cop ever complain?

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I see the term "NassStat" . I'm guessing this is a spinoff from NYPD's CompStat. We have a similar thing out here too. Apparently all the higher ups on these jobs worship the almighty computer. I am concerned about this. Oh, the computer is good for tracking things like MVAs, arrests, summonses, attendance, etc. I am seeing a PUSH in Suffolk for more and more summons activity. What will happen as things slow down and numbers lessen? Will the bosses look at this as people doing their jobs well or as "Our numbers are down from last year, we need more" This is not a good thing in my opinion. We will see more ridiculous incidents occur as a result of this. Officers will utilize less discretion in order to keep the boss off their backs and the public will wind up resenting us. The suburban departments have had a good rapport with the public they serve. I hope this computer situation will not result in a break down with that rapport. I'm all for doing the job, but keep it level headed.

[ga ga gary]

You guys are losing track of the subject matter here. It's a 2 yr extension in exchange for an endorsement of a guy who beat us down for years. G.D. will stop at nothing just to make himself look good. We'd end up with the same deal in arbitration without having to endorse Suozzi and we could utilize that PAC money that used to be soooo important.

[Notacop]

Look the deal aint done yet, and if ever there was a more vulnerable time to get a favorable one it is now & its not because swazz needs the pba to get re-elected---he doesn't but he can't afford the distraction of a neg.campaign. i agree however that endorsing him is a tough pill to swallow---better be worth it

How can any NCPD cop ever complain?
Because he or she is human. I've heard Pro athletes complain, Ceos, Complain, Doctos, lawyers and all others who make far more loot complain, why should a NCPD not complain? Is there an exclusion from complaining because she or he is a NCPD officer?
get real you moron.
Are you not complaining about she or he complaining?

[jusified]

No job is perfect. I came form NYPD and am grateful to have gotten a job on NCPD. I came from a very busy place in the city and many nights my pct is busier than my city pct. There are nightly shootings, assaults, and robberies. Most of it is not reported in the papers. Every place out here is not like Mayberry. :shock:

[great job, can complain]

The reason the NCPD and SCPD jobs are so great is that cops and unions do complain (for lack of a better word). If they just accepted the job as it is, then within years (probably quite a few) they would be in the same position as the city. The present cops are doing well because of the "complaints" of there prior brothers and sisters, and the future cops will do well because of the cops today. There is rarely a job in which the employee is completely satisfied and does not want more. As for everyone complain - although it's been said before - the test is open to the public. And if you don't want to do it, stop your jealous complaining. I'm not saying because you're not a cop you don't have a right to complain, but it the jealous complaining that is useless. And it is pretty obvious that it's jealousy that is in the majority of the voices here. It's also ironic that people are complaining about complaining. Maybe if you complained more at your job, you would have a better job and wouldn't have to be jealous about someone else. Let's face it, complaining is annoying, but it is also a necessary evil. The squeaky wheel does get the grease a better salary and good pension. Be safe.

[entitlement]

The reason the NCPD and SCPD jobs are so great is that cops and unions do complain (for lack of a better word). If they just accepted the job as it is, then within years (probably quite a few) they would be in the same position as the city. The present cops are doing well because of the "complaints" of there prior brothers and sisters, and the future cops will do well because of the cops today. There is rarely a job in which the employee is completely satisfied and does not want more. As for everyone complain - although it's been said before - the test is open to the public. And if you don't want to do it, stop your jealous complaining. I'm not saying because you're not a cop you don't have a right to complain, but it the jealous complaining that is useless. And it is pretty obvious that it's jealousy that is in the majority of the voices here. It's also ironic that people are complaining about complaining. Maybe if you complained more at your job, you would have a better job and wouldn't have to be jealous about someone else. Let's face it, complaining is annoying, but it is also a necessary evil. The squeaky wheel does get the grease a better salary and good pension. Be safe.
Don't you know the routine, because someone bought a home out here, and pay taxes, they feel entitled to tell you what you are allowed to say, feel, hear. Only they are allowed to complain on LI, in fact I know some who've made it their lifes work.

The reason the NCPD and SCPD jobs are so great is that cops and unions do complain (for lack of a better word). If they just accepted the job as it is, then within years (probably quite a few) they would be in the same position as the city. The present cops are doing well because of the "complaints" of there prior brothers and sisters, and the future cops will do well because of the cops today. There is rarely a job in which the employee is completely satisfied and does not want more. As for everyone complain - although it's been said before - the test is open to the public. And if you don't want to do it, stop your jealous complaining. I'm not saying because you're not a cop you don't have a right to complain, but it the jealous complaining that is useless. And it is pretty obvious that it's jealousy that is in the majority of the voices here. It's also ironic that people are complaining about complaining. Maybe if you complained more at your job, you would have a better job and wouldn't have to be jealous about someone else. Let's face it, complaining is annoying, but it is also a necessary evil. The squeaky wheel does get the grease a better salary and good pension. Be safe.
Don't you know the routine, because someone bought a home out here, and pay taxes, they feel entitled to tell you what you are allowed to say, feel, hear. Only they are allowed to complain on LI, in fact I know some who've made it their lifes work.
you r so right, its either a genetic thing, or its something in the water,lol

[ga ga gary]

This subject matter is NOT about complaining, it's about your thoughts of a suozzi endorsement in exchange for a 2 year deal.

I agree that Suozzi may not need the union endorsement, but it can only help pave a smoother road. His opposition, Peterson, has just announced his intentions and has been hammering Suozzi publicly. The union will have almost 3 million to spend on a campaign and Suozzi fears that. This is the main reason for the deal. Suozzi doesn't want both the Republicans and the union slamming him. He can't prevent the former, so he'll do what he can with the latter.

[Dump the endorsement]

I can't believe DelRaba would dare endorse Suozzi after the way Suozzi went after the cops - see the thread called "$300,000 for paid drivers" - it puts alot of the animosity and hatred he has for the cops in perspective. If Gary does endorse Suozzi, I think every cop should just go ahead and vote for Peterson anyway and take out their own ads saying they are going against DelRaba and the PBA - when Peterson wins dump DelRaba and bring on some fresh blood because if Gary goes with Suozzi - it just shows he's losing sight of the job and turning into one of those sell-out, do nothing CSEA Presidents. PBA is the strongest union there is - don't let it get weak now. Especially not now.

[flatfoot]

Politics makes for strange bed fellows. Lets face it Suozzi and Gary do not like each other. This is business. If what the posting say is true its a win, win for everyone. The cops are happy with the 3.9, 3.9 and loss of those bullshit quarterly days. Suozzi has one more endorsement and one less enemy with 3 mill in pact money to fight. Gary gets to retire on the top of his game. He will be remembered for his last actions were. I for one hope its true. Its a step in the right direction the loss of the quarterly days. Also this two dollar a day thing dissapears. We have to stick together. Suozzi plan divide and conquer. STICK TOGETHER!!!!!!!As for Peterson he is a great guy but out of the game for too long. I dont think he has a shot.

[Get real Trumpster]

Who do you think you are? Donald Trump. It's not business pal - it's personal. Suozzi can't do a damned thing for the cops - despite all his belly aching and bad mouthing of the cops and his threats and his initial reorganizations and withholding of funds - HE FREAKING FAILED. He accomplished nothing. He lost. He had to put back the units and the funding and bend over during contract negotiations. Suozzi is nothing and Peterson is going to pull off this election. He's got all of the union supporters behind him, supporters of Dinapoli and Sidikman and the Dems who supported Suozzi in 2001 for which they got a knife instead of a job - PLEASE. He's more than a nice guy and Del Raba knows damned well Suozzi can't be trusted and after all the bad kharma between his men and Suozzi that got dragged out in the public - Del Raba would look like a jelly fish mold if he supported Suozzi now - and Suozzi will NEVER keep any promise he makes now later - he never did before and he won't start now. This isn't business. This is personal. This is reputation and pay back time. NOW WE WATCH HIM SQUIRM.

[flatfoot]

No i dont think im Donald Trump. I also dont disagree with all that you are saying. It is business. As previously stated Peterson is a great guy but I (and others) dont think he has a shot. Keeps your friends close and your enemy's closer. We know you cant trust suozzi. Gary will not make the same mistakes again. Suozzi wants us, not the other way around. Remember Souzzi succeded in getting into our contract, that was bad presidence and had never been done before. A victory for suozzi. Im an NCPD member not an agitant. If you want to take the position were the big bad cops fuck everyone so be it. This my brother is business and hopefully Gary learned from past mistakes.

[High Arches]

That's pretty stupid. You support the guy you hate because you can't trust him? Those flat feet of yours must be affecting your ability to think. How about the police throw everything they have into the race against Suozzi. The poll on the other website which gets deleted every time we mention it here, but which is as liberal as they come, has had a poll going and Peterson had pulled ahead early and is still at 52% and holding. He can win and he intends to win and the blue wall can push him into victory. Better to put a friend in as your boss and deflower the bastard. Or are you just afraid of alittle footwork?

[Cheap Hooker]

Flatfoot come on man - even a cheap hooker holds out for more than $2 bucks and a tin cup. You saying you'd sell yourself and your brothers out for that? Think long term my friend - unless that's seemingly out of your brain range. You get a penny now, later you lose 5 cents by voting for Suozzi. Each brother grabs his sister and her friend and comes to the Peterson party - that's how you make your Lincoln and the public gets some real protection and funding to head off these bitching gangs and sex crimes revolts. That my friend is business. Not the stupidity you propose. 6 months guy. 6 months and he's gone.


Greg in 2005. Get some support for your shoes huh.

[flatfoot]

Hey, I proposed nothing. All I said was that the original post was plausable. You guys sound like whining sniffling non honoring PBA card night police. Open your eyes it possible. I didnt start the post. What did the average NCPD cop make last year? 115 to 125k. Get real two 3.9 and working 4 less days a year isnt a bad deal. Im sure the public is going to have a lot of sympothy for us!!! Sure endorse Peterson( an honorable guy) loose the election and we will get Jack Sh%^%^$#. and the two dollar a day thing will be here forever to fight off the stink. I respect your opinion but open your eyes

[You sound illiterate]

Did you get your GED from a cereal box? You are no cop. Cops won't "honor" a PBA that stabs them in the back by supporting Suozzi. Amen.

[ga ga gary]

I am glad to see the thoughts flying here. The majority seems to think FLAT FOOT is crazy. Well, it is obvious to me that FLAT FOOT has been around awhile and has seen Gary operate. I began this post to inform you --- I happen to have some inside knowledge and FLAT FOOT has the insight to know this can be a reality. Two years of 3.9, 3.9, no "Q" days & I neglected to mention 2 more years of medical is nothing to sneeze at. Yes, Peterson IS a great guy, but a long shot. If by some slim chance he won and we backed him, he could not afford to give us an extension on our contract the likes of which I mentioned. That is too irresponsible. Suozzi on the other hand is a pompous ass who cares nothing about public opinion. He does what he wants for his own good. He wants the union endorsement and that deal is how he will get it. As FLAT FOOT said, Gary goes out on a high note and that is what he cares about. We benefit from these two arrogant, pompous, power hungry Monarchs. WIN, WIN, WIN!!!

[flatfoot]

thanks "ga ga gary" I agree with what you said. There both egotistical, pompas maniacs. Fortunately with gary we have oftened benefited from his tyrates and agenda. Also the wind of change is upon us. The PBA now has a lot younger board members. Most if not all tier two members.

[Delusional]

You two are either the same person or one of Suozzi's operatives. And what are you trying to say? The youngsters on the PBA are smarter than the seasoned cops they represent? Watch yourself young rookie or you'll find yourself with no cover in a shoot out. Don't think you're going places by backing Suozzi - you're not fool. No matter what the bastard whispers in your ear. And you're the one who has no insight. Suozzi doesn't care about public opinion? ALL he cares about IS PUBLIC OPINION ! The guy is a metrosexual who had cosmetic surgery so his photo ops come out more pleasing. He's the only CE who hired himself a 6 figure personal public relations assistant who he keeps near his side every day. He doesn't make a move without the PR person polling or testing the waters first to garner the public's reception to it - isn't that what you're job is POSTER? Or should I say - POSER? Even his "abortion" speach (I'm pro choice but you shouldn't have abortions because they're wrong - then he cuts funding to the NSLS which represents women trying to get child support) was first discussed with Rev. Murphy BEFORE he decided what to say on the issue - to make sure he was getting the Church's favorable representation BEFORE he decided on his "position". He has flip flopped more than John Kerry did. Ever go to a "Town Meeting"? He starts out talking about building apartments over storefronts and if he gets no reaction he tells the audience he thinks that's a good solution to the housing problems (for illegal immigrants no doubt). If the audience starts to react negatively he finishes off by saying that he has decided against that for the community just so he can hear applause. He doesn't show up at places like firefighter functions anymore because he doesn't want to get Booed. The man is nothing but flash and public relations. He's all form and no substance. Peterson is about form. 2 years of grace with Suozzi - and 4 years of hell. You'll get kicked in the stomach with the small print - like the CSEA did after they voted for what they thought was a good contract, and then the next 2 years he'll take back anything you got and screw you twice as hard. With Peterson you can count on his word and his forthright dealing and you'll know you can rely - plus he's always been pro-cop - always will be. And in any event - since when do you NEED the CE for anything? So what - he involved himself in contract negotiations? It's meaningless. He's useless. If you come to no agreement you get to arbitration. Arbitration is ALWAYS better - you always get more anyway and the arbitrator will make sure the details don't screw you - Suozzi is slimy that way. You are kidding yourself if you think any real cop - besides maybe the ass kissing youngsters who think they have a shot with the top brass by playing heavy to this oversized penile implanted, elevator shoed, hairpieced metrosexual - will never, I repeat never, pull a lever for that SOB after all he's said and done against cops. INCLUDING hiring a county attorney who was so anti-cop that the NYPD protested to the Mayor of NYC to get her the hell out of the court-room and refuse to allow her to "represent" them because she was killing them off. Get real. No way is Suozzi getting backed here. Peterson has police loyalty.

[ga ga gary]

Delusional is your perfect name. It is obvious you haven't been around on the job too long. Take a look back at how much Suozzi cared at public opinion: Suozzi in the media complaining about giving the union raises and saying it isn't right to compare us to Suffolk, then giving his own people fatter raises based upon what politicians in Suffolk were making; Suozzi complaining about Gullota's political patronage appointments, yet Suozzi has many many more, Suozzi offering the coliseum to Charles Wang for a couple of sheckles when it is worth hundreds of millions of dollars; it goes on! On the other hand Gary cared alot when he scammed AA for BOG (if you've been around, then you'll know that phrase and how it came about); more recently his O.T. deal; remember when he almost sold out the sunset clause for starting pay in last contract - that was our biggest bargaining tool - ready to give it up for nothing in return (or should I say nothing for the membership); and since we are talking politics here, (WAY BACK WHEN) why were we the only police union in the entire state of NY to endorse Cuomo rather than Pataki. Did Gary know something every other union didn't. It obviously is because neither of these guys care a rats a-- about what anyone thinks. They do what's best for themselves as in each instance above and if we reap any benefit it is just a mere by-product. This deal is good for all. Good for Suozzi's ego, good for Gary on his way out the door making himself look good in the eyes of the membership and obviously good for us. Just because we endorse Suozzi, does not mean we have to pull his lever once we are in the booth. Watch and see and when it happens you will say to yourself, that guy was right! I will be looking for you then to tell you, "I told you so."

[Wang's World is a NO GO]

: Gary says "Suozzi in the media complaining about giving the union raises and saying it isn't right to compare us to Suffolk, then giving his own people fatter raises based upon what politicians in Suffolk were making".


Exactly right - Suozzi doesn't think the PBA cops or the CSEA workers are worthy but he bends over backwards for his patronage staff of NYC residents because he thinks somehow their connections to NYC will help him on his way to Albany. OR they got their jobs because they have something on him he's trying to keep in the media. And heres some real inside dope - Suozzi gave a "talk" to his appointed county attorneys and just finished telling them he wasn't giving them raises. There was such animosity in the room and people actually walked out that the county attorney herself turned green and talked him into changing his mind and giving the raises because they hired so many unqualified managers that they couldn't yet afford to have the Gulotta holdovers walk out on them since the new supervisors were completely clueless. So that's why those raises went through AFTER he actually called a meeting to say NO raises !!!!!!!!!!!

His patronage staff now does very well - but that's because of his disdain for what he considers the blue collar, the working class, the laborers of Nassau county.

And just because he got into some political scraps - it doesn't mean he doesn't care about PR - it means he got bad advice. After all, he fired his publicist Kim Devlin twice already - but keeps going back to her because noone else can stand to deal with him.

And you'll notice - all his plans that are being criticized - have yet to materialize. He's backed off alot of them.

Your eyes are in your ass if you think Suozzi has one blue voter.

[Disgusting PIG]

Ga Ga Gary is a disgusting pig. Every word that he utters is a word showng how little he respects Suozzi and an acknowledgement of how little Suozzi respects cops and yet he's ready to endorse him in the public eye?

People like that do an injustice to the uniform - shameless - no morals, no nothing. Shame on you.

Suozzi will give it up in contract negotiations or he'll suffer some shamefully gruesome publicity in the media about how the gang infuence on Long Island and Sex Crimes tripled under his watch- and it'll go to arbitration anyway.

Dangle an endorsement in front of him - you'll get nothing but the public against you thinking you're nothing but a greedy bunch of civil servants who are bankrupting the County - which can only be bad for Suozzi's run - and he knows it. And the Peterson people will make sure the public knows it.

A Suozzi endorsement will prove to the public the cops bribed him and embezzled more money from him - they aren't stupid. Instead of coming across like Peterson Cops tired of being prevented from doing the job the right way because of Suozzi mis-management - being the protectors of crime and gangs and commercial robbery - turning on the man soft of crime in favor for the guy who takes it seriously - you'll just look like greedy pieces of slime that caused taxes to increase and the public will start the same attack that's going on with the schools.

Also, by the war - a Suozzi orchestrated war to take the heat off his own tax and spend policies.

Delraba can't be that stupid and if he is - he needs A Holly Patterson and a lock down.

[Oink brother bear]

Your choice :

The cops can be portrayed as


Suozzi's Slimeballs

or

Peterson's Public Protectors


WHICH ARE YOU PBA ?????????????????????

[what he says what he does]

Why does Suozzi keep saying the Republicans are the ones trying to build a 6th borough?

I'm starting to think that he doesn't understand what that means. He seems to just like the sound of it.

He is wanting to build skyscrapers and shopping centers and low income rentals everywhere - and he just gave the Town of North Hempstead $3 million under the pretext that they're now "managing" 9 County parks so they could use those County funds to build a 6th borough in "central nassau" - exactly what he publically accused the Republicans of wanting to do!

Democrat TONH Mayor Kaiman (who just did a smiling Newsday press release with Suozzi walking around North New Hyde Park) is heeding Suozzi's economic development plan, (which is suspiciously similar to the economic development plan first proffered by Nickerson and later regurgitated by the County Attorney's $120K Office Manager, Peter Reinharz, which economic development plan even the Rockaways rejected).

They want to start out by stealing property from an old woman in New Cassel who lives there and runs a 100 member church on it - and then Suozzi turns around and says - the GOPERS are doing it? Doesn't Suozzi think Peterson's people will help the public put it together and see the lies? Does he think by saying it - thats all he needs to do for the people to believe it and that his actions mean nothing? Nobody will notice or find out about it?

Then Suozzi argues that patronage in the GOP is alive and well - while he just gave his appointees, who he started at record high salarys, another salary raise for the 4th year in a row, 200 of which don't even live in Nassau County, and who's salary alone is at least $16 million dollars?

Has Suozzi regressed to the likes of a 9 year old? His campaigning rhetoric is starting to sound like that of a school yard bully - "I know you are but what am I"? Ever play the shadow game? That seems to be what he's doing. The Republicans started the 6th Borough talk when he resurrected Nickerson's disasterous plans - so now he turns around and says - they're doing it not me - all the while having in his back pocket Wang's 60 story apartment building and his 2001 economic development plan where low-income rental skyscrapers are written into it !!!

Man oh Man - The Public must see through this guy - he's so completely transparent

[ga ga gary]

a deal is a deal and bottom line is this ---

Suozzi is a jacka-- and he will win again

Peterson is a good guy and the loser

Gary is a self-serving dictator who will sell his sole to look good

and us --- 3.9's, bennies, no Q days and steady as she goes

nuff said

[flatfoot]

I stand with you on this one ga ga gary. Particularly the dictator part. If he took as good of care of us as he did his board of govenors. wow.........All joking aside we all have been embelished.
As Ive said before its BUSINESS

[IAB]

Then you better stay outta trouble because the Suozzi people just sold another one down the river - DV arrest then claim of excessive force - typical BS. Instead of trying the case for a name clearing - SOB's settled another one - $30K - worse part - the DV's spouse who reported the incident was also a cop & they had cross OP's.

So go ahead idiot -keep these jerks in office. One day it'll be your A on the line and good luck with that.

[insideeye]

The real deal will be 1yr FAS T2

[Insider Outsider]

No - the real deal is you will get screwed by Suozzi. No way around that. If he goes around the legislators to do any deal with you - they will screw him if he gets re-elected (thanks to PBA money if they endorse him) and he'll have to move funds everywhere to juggle everything and believe me - the cops are the last one on his list to take care of. You will be screwed.

Get him out while you still have shoes.

Your choice :

The cops can be portrayed as


Suozzi's Slimeballs

or

Peterson's Public Protectors


WHICH ARE YOU PBA ?????????????????????

I bet you think Monty Python is still cutting-edge too. Right? uh-huh.
You're stuck in neutral. The record is skipping. And I clean my
foreskin with your government check. >>

Monty Python is STILL cutting edge compared to the lame shit that
Snutards like you think are funny.

Then you better stay outta trouble because the Suozzi people just sold another one down the river - DV arrest then claim of excessive force - typical BS. Instead of trying the case for a name clearing - SOB's settled another one - $30K - worse part - the DV's spouse who reported the incident was also a cop & they had cross OP's.

So go ahead idiot -keep these jerks in office. One day it'll be your A on the line and good luck with that.

My CPI seems bugges with a certain virus that is triggered by one event
alone.

It's whenever I click on "View Source" in the VIEW menu of Internet
Expolrer.

It add around 10 new programs to the Windows Task Manager and slows up
the whole system.

I seem to be free of any signs of viruses though. My CPU is
asymptomatic apparantly.

Anyone else have similar issue and know how to deal with it?

[ga ga gary]

1 yr FAS for tier 2? Where did you hear that one? That's better than the 2yr extension.

[Huh? What?]

Your choice :

The cops can be portrayed as


Suozzi's Slimeballs

or

Peterson's Public Protectors


WHICH ARE YOU PBA ?????????????????????

I bet you think Monty Python is still cutting-edge too. Right? uh-huh.
You're stuck in neutral. The record is skipping. And I clean my
foreskin with your government check. >>

Monty Python is STILL cutting edge compared to the lame shit that
Snutards like you think are funny.



Don't understand what that has to do with anything and who is Monty Python?

[Here's your problem]

Then you better stay outta trouble because the Suozzi people just sold another one down the river - DV arrest then claim of excessive force - typical BS. Instead of trying the case for a name clearing - SOB's settled another one - $30K - worse part - the DV's spouse who reported the incident was also a cop & they had cross OP's.

So go ahead idiot -keep these jerks in office. One day it'll be your A on the line and good luck with that.

My CPI seems bugges with a certain virus that is triggered by one event
alone.

It's whenever I click on "View Source" in the VIEW menu of Internet
Expolrer.

It add around 10 new programs to the Windows Task Manager and slows up
the whole system.

I seem to be free of any signs of viruses though. My CPU is
asymptomatic apparantly.

Anyone else have similar issue and know how to deal with it?

Here's your problem - this is a POLITICAL website - POLITICAL. If you have a techie query you need a COMPUTER website. COMPUTER. But I do have a suggestion. Why don't you STOP clicking the source menu and then you won't be distracted?

Here's your problem - this is a POLITICAL website - POLITICAL. If you have a techie query you need a COMPUTER website. COMPUTER. But I do have a suggestion. Why don't you STOP clicking the source menu and then you won't be distracted?

Yes, but the winners of the election will want the U.S. to stay, because otherwise they would be unable to prevail against the
Baathists.

[Read through this thread]

Whatever Dude - as long as it keeps the thread alive and people reading it - the education of the people is the weapon against Suozzi.

PS - Personally, I prefer a long hot soak in a private jacuzzi over the baathist - I hear you can pick up some really awful diseases that way.

If what the posting say is true its a win, win for everyone. The cops are happy with the 3.9, 3.9 and loss of those bullshit quarterly days.

Does that mean we have to give back the 2.6%?

[ga ga gary]

I hear we are keeping the money associated with the q day

[Fundraiser Idea]

Cool you guys - now how about each one giving like 1% of that 2.6% over to Greg Peterson for his CE campaign?

[JustaCop]

ok..here it is....2 yrs 3.9% for each...no more q-days...we keep the 2.6%..no other give backs...Gary gives us all our share of the 3 million from our war fund and we stop paying into it.....the union backs suozzi.....suozzi doesn't get re-elected ....newsday decides the NCPD is the greatest thing since the wheel AND PRINTS it.. the public becomes sympathetic towards the average street cop and decides they aren't paying enough taxes... the commissioner actually makes decissions instead of doing what the county executive wants.....and when he makes a bad decision the "big" bosses actually speak up and try to do something about it (in other words the bring their balls back to work)....the bosses on the street stop breaking balls about stupid bullshit and start supervising the flat pricks that don't answer their calls...oh...i almost forgot...you can still get your 500 hrs OT but when you want it, no more being ordered in...and you get whatever days off you need even if you don't have anymore time on the books..now can we all go to work without pissing and moaning like we all got sand in our cracks?????????

[Suozzi gets dumped]

Fact is stranger than fiction. Whatever splits your pants except all you have to do is pull the Greg Peterson lever and Suozzi loses. Every street cop and their families and supportive friends and neighbors pulls a stupid lever that says Peterson and Suozzi loses. The ahole Commissioner goes back to the City and you get him replaced with a pro-cop Commissioner because Peterson is a pro-guy administrator.

[ga gar gary]

Sounds nice, but the guys will always find something to complain about. Either more O.T. or more time off or too busy blah blah blah.

One for all and all for one.

[And all for Peterson]

One for all and all for one and all for Greg Peterson.

Suozzi scandals are all around --- he's going going gone baby!

[ga ga gary]

last thing mentioned is suozzi is playing games. gary is giving him a deadline to make the move.

[Suozzi playing games?]

No - you're kidding? Who would have believed it?

Please - to that bag of crap filled diapered mama's boy - this whole county executive gig is just one big game, he's trying to see how much nonsense he can shove down the resident's throats before they start choking.

[DellaRabba 2]

YEAH SUOZZI I WILL CHARGE EVERYONE $2 A PAYCHECK TO DEFEAT THIS GUY. LOVE FRED

[LOL Fred]

That's right - then after you'll get charged $4 and a month of lag time for his Albany run. And he'll take back the bennies the following year when he gets run down by the Albany express.

Peterson for CE - Peterson for life.

[PBA Lawyers]

Greg Peterson's law office - Berkman Henoch - represents the PBA in the City - they were the ones that got the Suozzi County Attorney and her group of losers out of the Courtroom when they kept losing and settling police cases they should have fought and won. He'll appoint new tuff lawyers who know what they're doing to represent the cops and all the County employees and agencies and over the long run - that will help save money for the taxpayers.

[Witch hunt...]

D.A.'s office on a witch hunt for some top bananas in the P.D. Rumor is lots of covering up going on. Wonder if the retired LT. in time office knows she was overheard reassuring a BIGWIG at a civilian retirement dinner last week. Promises..promises.. Does anyboby know if the civilians adhere to the Blue Wall of silence?

[pull the lever?]

you guys better start counting on the people that work in nassau county,seeing that most of nassaus cops live in suffolk.but no you wouldnt think of that.you have plenty of people that work for the police (civilians) which for some reason you wouldnt help. your only in it for yourselves so if suozzi wins it wont be our fault. we did what we can. ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!! THATS WHAT NASSAU PBA IS.

[TO WITCH HUNT]

YES WE ADHERE TO THAT. AND YES THERE WILL BE SOMETHING COMING DOWN THE LINE WHEN IT COMES TO HEADQUARTER PEOPLE. THEY ARE SCARED SHITLESS, THE CHIEFS INVOLVED HAVE TO RETIRE BEFORE THEY ARE CAUGHT. IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH TIME TAKEN.

[Civilians]

Civilians will back the cops if it means the cops will help get rid of Suozzi. I find it incredible that Sit on Your Ass Dillion would go after the cops - he slaps Sylver on the wrist and he ignores timesheets for the County Attorney's office - total jokes and lies - and he closes his eyes to petition fraud - yet you think he's going to go after his brethen agency? Why? Dillon never went after time sheet fraud before - if he starts now the GOP oughta back right off because there can be no doubt anymore in anyone's mind that he's pulling a Roger Bogsted - pretending to be independent while backing Suozzi all the way. Maybe Dillon is too old for the job and he wants to see his friend Rice get it instead of just retiring like old men do- and maybe first he wants to put his old proteges in office - the Weitzman/Levinson team in office so he can get a cushy gig for his relatives after he's gone.

[SILENCE?]

Problem is there are to many 'in bed' with each other...forcing the silence.

Will it come out? Remains to be seen and how much pressure from the DA. How many will he drive some nails into to make them talk.

[Pressure from the DA?]

Come on. Dillon hasn't used that tack in 30 years and he's on such thin ice with both parties now after his last few press releases that the last thing he needs is to create waves before the election. He aint no Spota and he can't start pretending now. He'd be just as transparent as the Naked Emperor.

[guest.]

Wanna bet?

[Suozzi is dead]

All hail Greg Peterson. Suozzi is naked and rolling around in his flower beds.

[Never gonna do it]

He's got to answer about the BOE deal first - county workers forced to participate in fundraisers and petition signatures for Suozzi - that's what he can't avoid. They have emails and proof for that one, and sworn testimony from the worker's compensation trial where the employee won because the county couldn't produce one opposing witness.
Besides - remember the sheriff's office - Larry Schaeffer? They accused him of running a real estate business during working hours and had videos of him doing just that? No prosecution. He lost his job and they maybe threatened him but that was it.
Dillon has alot of explaining to do if he goes after time sheet fraud in the cops, and ignores the other agencies - and he sure as hell can't garner headlines for going after the cops and ignoring the BOE deal - especially with a civil lawsuit going on already. He's got to tackle that - and that will dredge up the whole petition fraud thing - with Senator Kings daughter involved no less
Believe me - the best thing for Dillon is that the wrongdoers quietly retire and leave him alone.
He's got enough taxpayer fraud to lay down on right now.
He doesn't prosecute priests who abuse kids- why should he prosecute cops?

[Suozzi appointees]

He might go after the Suozzi appointees but he's already got the election in the bag so why would he risk getting involved in that? Rice is a Philly cheesesteak and not an opponent. Dillon might take the election then retire but he'll take it. He doesn't need Mondello's backing.

[NOT A COP 2]

IF THE PBA SETTLES FOR TS THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. RIGHT NOW THEY WHINE THAT THEY HAVE NO UNIFORMS,CARS, MONEY, GIVING BACK THINGS ALL FOR WHAT HIS "WONDERFUL"DEAL???? THAN HE WILL FUCK YOU GUYS ALL OVER AGAIN. YOU SPEAK OF THEM IN HEADQQUARTERS LIKE THEY ARE THE PLAGUE. AND THAN HOW MANY MORE COMMISSIONERS ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE FROM THE CITY. ISNT MONETTE ENUF???OPEN YOUR EYES GUYS. OH AND YEAH WHAT ABOUT ALL YOUR "GRIEVENCES???????DO YOU FORGET THAT EASILY FOR AN EXTRA 2 DOLLARS IN YOUR POCKET??? WOW MAYBE HE WILL PROMISE YOU THE NEW RADIOS AFTER ALL. AND BY THE WAY WHEN THE NEW RADIOS COME IN THEY WILL BE HOOKING UP YOUR GPS. THAT IS NOT A RUMOR SO NOW THEY CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE AND HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. SO VOTE FOR SUOZZI IF YOU WANTIT WILL BE YOUR DEMISE!!!!!!!!!! :?

down with suozzi

[so build a case]

Suozzi appointees Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:18 pm

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He might go after the Suozzi appointees but he's already got the election in the bag so why would he risk getting involved in that? Rice is a Philly cheesesteak and not an opponent. Dillon might take the election then retire but he'll take it. He doesn't need Mondello's backing.


Never gonna do it Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:19 pm

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He's got to answer about the BOE deal first - county workers forced to participate in fundraisers and petition signatures for Suozzi - that's what he can't avoid. They have emails and proof for that one, and sworn testimony from the worker's compensation trial where the employee won because the county couldn't produce one opposing witness.
Besides - remember the sheriff's office - Larry Schaeffer? They accused him of running a real estate business during working hours and had videos of him doing just that? No prosecution. He lost his job and they maybe threatened him but that was it.
Dillon has alot of explaining to do if he goes after time sheet fraud in the cops, and ignores the other agencies - and he sure as hell can't garner headlines for going after the cops and ignoring the BOE deal - especially with a civil lawsuit going on already. He's got to tackle that - and that will dredge up the whole petition fraud thing - with Senator Kings daughter involved no less
Believe me - the best thing for Dillon is that the wrongdoers quietly retire and leave him alone.
He's got enough taxpayer fraud to lay down on right now.
He doesn't prosecute priests who abuse kids- why should he prosecute cops?




Pressure from the DA? Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:12 am

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Come on. Dillon hasn't used that tack in 30 years and he's on such thin ice with both parties now after his last few press releases that the last thing he needs is to create waves before the election. He aint no Spota and he can't start pretending now. He'd be just as transparent as the Naked Emperor.


SILENCE? Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:13 pm

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Problem is there are to many 'in bed' with each other...forcing the silence.

Will it come out? Remains to be seen and how much pressure from the DA. How many will he drive some nails into to make them talk.




:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

So, you are cops. Build the case anf take it to Spitzer or the Feds. If Dillon won't do legitiamte law enforcement, you still can. If you think he is in bed with the perps, prove it boyohs! Do you think the feds would turn their noses up at a nice juicy public corruption and election fraud case? Are you cops or soap opera buffs? I'm sure all the honchos in Mineola are sure not one of you has the chops or the stones to build the case and sell it to another prosecutor. You can whine about it OR you can investigate it and prove it. :!:

[Who are you?]

Are you one of those TV nuts? Cops don't "build cases". And nice cut and paste job but stop wasting the room - we read the posts once. Don't need them again. Has nothing to do with us. You're the mouth - you deal with it. We have our own things going on and when the time is right - believe me - justice will be done. Go find your own forum now and leave us alone. Can't we go anywhere without you people bugging us?

[so build a case]

Are you one of those TV nuts? Cops don't "build cases". And nice cut and paste job but stop wasting the room - we read the posts once. Don't need them again. Has nothing to do with us. You're the mouth - you deal with it. We have our own things going on and when the time is right - believe me - justice will be done. Go find your own forum now and leave us alone. Can't we go anywhere without you people bugging us?

Cops certainly do build cases. They investigate facts, assemble evidence and anaylize the outcome against applicable law. Cops, especailly the well educated highly trained Long Island cops are more than capable of doing this and doing it well. Don't sell yourself short, your good for more than traffic stops and Krispy Kreams.

Don't waste your time ranting in frustration over injustice. Use all that training and experieince to expose corruption and criminality. Do you want to whine about it or expose some of it. Cops don't become cops because the want to eat donughts. They become cops because they want to do justice.

And no, I am not with the media

[go over his head]

He's got to answer about the BOE deal first - county workers forced to participate in fundraisers and petition signatures for Suozzi - that's what he can't avoid. They have emails and proof for that one, and sworn testimony from the worker's compensation trial where the employee won because the county couldn't produce one opposing witness.
Besides - remember the sheriff's office - Larry Schaeffer? They accused him of running a real estate business during working hours and had videos of him doing just that? No prosecution. He lost his job and they maybe threatened him but that was it.
Dillon has alot of explaining to do if he goes after time sheet fraud in the cops, and ignores the other agencies - and he sure as hell can't garner headlines for going after the cops and ignoring the BOE deal - especially with a civil lawsuit going on already. He's got to tackle that - and that will dredge up the whole petition fraud thing - with Senator Kings daughter involved no less
Believe me - the best thing for Dillon is that the wrongdoers quietly retire and leave him alone.
He's got enough taxpayer fraud to lay down on right now.
He doesn't prosecute priests who abuse kids- why should he prosecute cops?


DD ain't the only game in town. Go over his head to Spitzer

[Another Rumor]

I also have heard the contract extension rumors with one big difference. 3.9 and 3.9 for 2007 & 2008. Quarterly days will be history. War chest money will be returned to membership.
*** There will be no endorsement** The PBA will agree however to NOT use any monies to bash Suozzi.

[New Diversity Program]

I heard that Suozzi is hiring one member from the Nation of Islam and one leader of the local Muslim organizations to head up the police's new "terrorism prevention and emergency planning" commission. That's my boy Tom - a Democrat who really believes in balancing the old scale of justice.

[war chest]

I also have heard the contract extension rumors with one big difference. 3.9 and 3.9 for 2007 & 2008. Quarterly days will be history. War chest money will be returned to membership.
*** There will be no endorsement** The PBA will agree however to NOT use any monies to bash Suozzi.

Della Robba's sitting on 3 mil and he's gonna give it back? I don't think so. As long as he has it in the bank every politician in the county will suck up to him. Question how much of it is he giving to Dillon and why?

They should give it back to the membership.

[Flatfoot]

I say leave the 3 million in a interest bearing P.A.C. account. Have the membership STOP contributing to this fund and let it grow. We have seen the power the mere threat of using these funds has caused. MONEY is POWER let it ride. I still think the two year extention with the loss of the quarterly days sounds to good to be true and I remain suspicious of it. However it would be a good deal if true

I say leave the 3 million in a interest bearing P.A.C. account. Have the membership STOP contributing to this fund and let it grow. We have seen the power the mere threat of using these funds has caused. MONEY is POWER let it ride. I still think the two year extention with the loss of the quarterly days sounds to good to be true and I remain suspicious of it. However it would be a good deal if true

Amen :D

[Give some to Greg]

Use some of the money to support Greg Peterson. It'll be money well spent for your long term future. The faster you get rid of Suozzi, the better off you'll be.

[idenpendance DA]

Use some of it to support Kouril for DA. She's the only one not willing to go along with the "republicrat" back room deals. How about and independat DA who will restore some honor and vigor to law enforcement in this county.

[Ok dude float your boat]

Whatever turns your wheels fella regarding the DA race.
Just make sure you give Peterson the pull down when it's lever time.

[No longevity under Suozzi]

New people he's taking away benefits unless you transfer in from NYC then you get retroactive seniority and all the benefits you would have gotten if you worked in Nassau all that time. Any wonder why the NYC people are running his petitions for him?

[CIVILIAN WATCHER]

I HEAR GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE FRESH NEW FACES AT PBA. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE WORKING HARD FOR MEMBERSHIP. WAS TOLD 2ND VP TOBIN HAS TRIED TO RETURN ALL CALLS FROM MEMBERS. APPARENTLY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE.
IF NOT TELL ME SO. DOES THIS BOARD DESERVE ANY CREDIT?

[Notacop]

I have to pipe in on this one. The new board is great! They are real workers and really good guys too. Tobin, Patterson,Carver,McDermott,Hartmann----all SOLID hardworkers from what I can see.

[thats what you think]

They are still new, wait til they settle in more. They are getting quite comfortable. They already are beginning to look like their predecessors.

P.S. they are all up for re-election at the end of the year, so they will show some interest in your problems to lock in your vote.

[The New Board]

They are still new, wait til they settle in more. They are getting quite comfortable. They already are beginning to look like their predecessors.

P.S. they are all up for re-election at the end of the year, so they will show some interest in your problems to lock in your vote.

The only problem we have is that blundering idiot county executive we need to lose in the next election - what plans does the new board have to get rid of the guy? Comfortable or not - they gotta be in with someone. It should be Peterson instead of some metrosexual who has no respect for anybody not welding a check.

Can I Sue The Police?

Frequently Asked Civil Rights Questions

Under Title 42 U.S. Code Section 1983, the federal civil rights civil statute, individuals may file lawsuits against an offending officer, police department, or jurisdiction. Although the federal law, Section 1983, is used most frequently, plaintiffs may also use state-level statutes in bringing abuse lawsuits. The statute mandates that:

Any person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.

Although the federal law, Section 1983, is used most frequently, plaintiffs may also use state-level statutes in bringing abuse lawsuits.

What is a Civil Rights Case?

A civil rights case consists of those cases which protect the rights of people, where the rights are derived from constitutional law. Many laws are created from local governments or from judges. However, Civil Rights law flows from the U.S. Constitution. With regards to civil rights, this internet cite concerns only those civil rights which concern police misconduct also known, in some situations as Police Brutality.

What is a Police Misconduct Case?

Police officers, just like any human being, make mistakes. Some of their errors are very serious and abusive, others are just careless. The area of law concerning police misconduct concerns situations like excessive force (an officer hurts someone unnecessarily), false arrest and malicious prosecution. These are the most common cases that are filed in the Court system.

Excessive Force Cases

A police officer acts with excessive force when he/she uses an amount of force with regards to a civilian that is more then necessary. Police officers are certainly permitted to use force and in some situations, deadly force. However, there are times when officers misuse their authority and injure someone without a justified reason. For example, take a situation where an officer stops an elderly gentleman for speeding. The officer asks the driver to get out of the car and while the driver opens the car door, the officer yanks him up from his seat and throws him against the car. This would be an example of excessive force. As there would be no need to cause injury to the driver of the car, the officer would be liable for using excessive force (here, liable means legally responsible in a court of law for damages that the driver suffers from officer’s abuse).

False Arrest

Generally speaking, an arrest is defined as any type of situation that you are involved in with an officer where you are not free to leave. If you are under arrest, the next question that should then be asked is what is the reason for the arrest. If the officer does not have a valid reason for arresting you, then you may have a false arrest claim. Take the following example. A police officer sees a young lad standing on the corner, alone, minding his own business. The officer comes up to young man and tells him that he must submit to a search (pat down search). The boy says no and the officer tells him that he must submit. The boy again says no and the officer forces him into the squad car and takes him down to the station. After searching the boy at the station and checking his background, the officer releases him. The young man has a valid false arrest claim. He was arrested without any valid basis whatsoever and brought down into the station.
A valid federal claim and state law claim could be pursued and won, assuming that these facts could be proven at trial.

Malicious Prosecution

A malicious prosecution claim is similar to a false arrest claim. In this type of case, the officer arrests an individual for no valid reason and then initiates a criminal complaint against the innocent person. Typical cases in this regard are Aggravated Battery cases. Here, an officer for no good reason, strikes a civilian. The civilian blocks the strike and hits back. The officer then tackles the civilian and arrests him and charges him with striking the officer – known as Aggravated Battery. After the criminal case is over (and preferably won) the innocent civilian may lodge a civil rights case against the officer for excessive force, false arrest and malicious prosecution.

What if my case is not so clear cut?

Many people don’t understand what it takes to win a police misconduct case. First, the law can be quite confusing. Second, there is frequently a difference from what it is that can be proven as opposed to what happened. For example, a police brutality case would be stronger if there was an independent witness to observe an officers abuse. Frequently, there are no witnesses and the case must be proven through other means. Take, for example, the factual scenario of the gentleman (above) in the excessive force case. If the police officer fails to detail anything in his report to justify his actions and the driver goes to the emergency room for injuries immediately after his interaction with the officer, then the case may easily be proven. So, the most important thing to do when confronted with a situation involving police misconduct is CONSULT A LAWYER. Don’t leave it to your own decision making process to determine whether you would be able to win a case in court. The law as well as the manner by which your case can be proven is complicated. Get some free advice as you will be better off.

Examples Of Illegal Conduct Police Have Been Sued For

Johnson v. Village of Willowbrook

Largest police misconduct verdict for pat-down search in Illinois: $112,000.00 for woman who was searched (over the clothes) by two Caucasian police officers because she had expired license plates.

North Carolina: After 12-year-old Amanda Cope of Rock Hill was found raped and beaten to death in her own bed in 2001, her father Billy was subjected to 4 days of unrecorded, non-stop interrogation, until he confessed on videotape. In 2003, DNA matched the semen found in Amanda to James Sanders, a sex offender who moved to the Copes' neighborhood shortly before Amanda's murder. So the state has amended the charges against Billy to conspiracy because You Can't Waste a Coerced False Confession. (http://www.truthinjustice.org/cope.htm)

ATTITUDE SHIFT

There is a pattern that is repeating itself in jurisdiction after jurisdiction. Jurors are regularly rejecting the testimony of police officers and awarding substantial damages to plaintiffs claiming police responsibility for personal injuries, deaths and violations of civil rights.

"Jurors used to come in predisposed to believe the police," says Arturo J. Gonzalez of San Francisco's Morrison & Foerster, who has handled numerous cases against police departments. "Now jurors are more neutral and some are even predisposed to disbelieving police."

"For many, many decades, police enjoyed the benefit of the doubt with the American public," says John Smathers of Laurel, Md.'s McGowan, Cecil & Smathers, who won a $4 million excessive force verdict last year. "Today, the American public is more willing to look at officers and citizens on an equal footing."

This skepticism has improved the odds for plaintiffs' lawyers to pursue these lawsuits against the police in court. In the past two years, juries have awarded a series of verdicts against the police in a wide variety of cases.

In late 1999, a Washington, D.C., jury ordered the city police department to pay $98.1 million for the failure to protect an informant.

In 2000, a New York jury awarded $92 million to a young man who was rendered paraplegic when shot by an off-duty police officer.

Awards in 2001 include:

• $6 million in an excessive force-wrongful death action in Detroit, in which the defense claimed the victim shot by an off-duty officer was not only drunk but had attempted to run down the officer with his Jeep.

• $1 million in Baltimore in an excessive force case in which the only physical injury was a broken wrist.

• $8 million in Oregon to a woman who was shot by a state trooper who had pulled her over for speeding.

All of the juries were presented with conflicting reports of the events and chose the one offered by the plaintiffs.

The trend toward disbelieving the police has also led to swifter, and ever-larger, pretrial settlements, says Johnnie Cochran of Los Angeles' Cochran, Cherry, Givens & Smith.

In April, Cochran was a member of a team of lawyers who won an $18 million settlement from the city of Chicago over the shooting death of a young woman. The case settled just before trial, he says, after the city discovered through a focus group that a massive verdict was nearly guaranteed.

The single most important factor in changing juror attitudes toward the police was the 1991 beating of Rodney King, according to plaintiffs' lawyers. "Rodney King was something that everybody saw," says Gonzalez. "It changed national perceptions." But this has been reinforced by other, more recent, incidents, he says.

"Since then you've had Ruby Ridge, Waco, the guy in New York who was shot 26 times," and the Abner Louima case, he says. Others include the Rampart Division scandal in Los Angeles and episodes involving Gonzalez's clients, including the parents of an 11-year-old boy killed when shot in the back during a police raid on his home.

The growing recognition that these incidents happen and the rising size of settlements and verdicts have encouraged prospective plaintiffs to file cases against the police, says Cochran: "The police no longer have this aura of invincibility."

Plaintiffs' lawyers are also more willing to take cases, says Gonzalez. "Ten years ago, it was literally impossible for someone to find a lawyer to take a civil rights case on the part of a Latino," he says. "Now, if the plaintiff looks credible, plaintiffs' lawyers are more willing to roll the dice."

There are no figures on how many suits are being filed, but plaintiffs' lawyers confirm that numbers are rising. Cochran now has about 250 cases pending against police departments and government agencies nationwide over police misconduct. Pettit reports that "we're averaging about 25 to 40 calls a week in my office," from prospective plaintiffs seeking to file claims.

Not just the number of cases, but the size of verdicts is rising, says Cochran. "All over the country, we're seeing bigger numbers."

A false arrest-false imprisonment case in California may be the poster child for how verdicts and settlements against police agencies have risen over the past decade. Los Angeles police deputies arrested two Pico Rivera, Calif., couples in 1984 and charged them with child molestation. Nearly all the children recanted and the charges were dismissed at the preliminary hearing.

The two couples sued the county and in 1990 a Los Angeles jury awarded the plaintiffs $3.7 million. This was reversed and retried in 1995. The verdict then was $7.3 million. This was reversed as well and set for retrial. One couple settled for $4 million and the second couple, Tim and Helen O'Keefe, went to trial for a third time in 2000. The verdict this time was for $13.5 million. The O'Keefes settled in April for $9.9 million. Valentin v. County of Los Angeles, C 529739 (Super. Ct., Los Angeles).

There are more settlements today, largely because of the fear of facing juries, Cochran adds. In New York, this factor is clearly affecting litigation, says Fay Leoussis, chief of the city's torts division. The negative publicity over the Louima and Amadou Diallo police brutality cases has changed the city's response to such lawsuits. "As part of our risk management, we've been settling rather than taking these cases to the jury."

The testimony of officers at trial has also damaged their credibility, says Gonzalez. "In the cases I've had, police witnesses will say something that is blatantly untrue. And this reinforces what people now suspect -- that the police lie."

Gonzalez recently represented the family of Ramon Gallardo, a 64-year-old man who was killed in a SWAT team raid on his home. The police brought his wife to the police station and "interrogated her in the basement for four hours after her husband was shot," he says. In testifying in the Gallardo case, says Gonzalez, "the police chief said he treated Mrs. Gallardo the way he'd want his mother to be treated. This was obviously false." The Fresno, Calif., jury was so angry, he says, that in 1999, it awarded the Gallardo family $12.6 million, the largest verdict ever for a Latino against the police. The case has since been settled for $6 million. Gallardo v. Reinnecius, Civ. F 97 6111 (E.D. Calif.).

VIDEO EVIDENCE

The rising use of videotape has had a significant effect in improving the odds for plaintiffs, says Peter Grenier of Washington, D.C.'s Bode & Grenier, who won that $98.1 million verdict against the D.C. police. "A lot more hard evidence is being created."

Grenier recently won a $5 million settlement from the city of Asbury Park, N.J., over the suicide death of a man in police custody. Michael Watkins, a 20-year-old recovering drug addict, had been placed in an Asbury Park jail cell with the police neither confiscating his shoelaces nor determining what medications he needed. A camera posted in the Asbury Park jail would record each cell for eight seconds then move onto the next cell. Through nine minutes of the videotape, the camera kept going back to Watkins as he was hanging himself with the laces, but none of the guards looked at the screen, Grenier reports. The guards eventually responded. They cut him down and resuscitated him.

But this came too late. "He's now 24 and in a persistent vegetative state," the lawyer says. A suit against the city was to begin on June 11 but settled.

The next wave, Cochran notes, will be in lawsuits and judgments against police departments "over shoddy, overzealous prosecutions." The settlements in the Rampart case in Los Angeles, he says, will likely top $100 million.

Plaintiffs' attorneys are becoming more creative and pushing more esoteric claims. In Ohio, the family of a woman killed by her boyfriend sued the village of Blanchester and its police chief for failing to pursue a hunt for her body. The body was never found and the family charged a violation of their constitutional property rights in preserving "the remains of their loved one," says plaintiffs' attorney Alphonse A. Gerhardstein of Cincinnati's Laufman & Gerhardstein. In February, a Cincinnati jury awarded $3.75 million. Culberson v. Doan, C-1-97-965 (S.D. Ohio).

But while jurors are more receptive and plaintiffs' attorneys more inventive, there are obstacles remaining in pursuing these cases.

Depending on the jurisdiction or the claim, there can be sovereign immunity for the police department, qualified immunity for individual police officers or a daunting burden of proof.

Federal case law may block recovery in certain actions, says Gerhardstein. A 1998 U.S. Supreme Court decision on police responsibility in deaths or injuries caused by police chases, for example, raised the bar considerably, he notes.

The verdicts aren't always sustained on appeal. Grenier's $98 million verdict was cut to just over $1 million. Smathers' $4.1 million verdict was sliced to $1.6 million, and that $1 million broken wrist verdict was remitted by 90 percent.

Where the case is filed depends on the facts, says Gonzalez. Excessive force cases are often better pursued in federal courts, as violations of the Fourth or 14th amendments, he believes.

Gerhardstein notes that federal courts are generally more receptive to any actions against the police.

DO I HAVE A LIFE SINCE THE DEPT FIRED ME ?

Frequently Asked Civil Rights Questions

Under Title 42 U.S. Code Section 1983, the federal civil rights civil statute, individuals may file lawsuits against an offending officer, police department, or jurisdiction. Although the federal law, Section 1983, is used most frequently, plaintiffs may also use state-level statutes in bringing abuse lawsuits. The statute mandates that:

Any person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.

Although the federal law, Section 1983, is used most frequently, plaintiffs may also use state-level statutes in bringing abuse lawsuits.

What is a Civil Rights Case?

A civil rights case consists of those cases which protect the rights of people, where the rights are derived from constitutional law. Many laws are created from local governments or from judges. However, Civil Rights law flows from the U.S. Constitution. With regards to civil rights, this internet cite concerns only those civil rights which concern police misconduct also known, in some situations as Police Brutality.

What is a Police Misconduct Case?

Police officers, just like any human being, make mistakes. Some of their errors are very serious and abusive, others are just careless. The area of law concerning police misconduct concerns situations like excessive force (an officer hurts someone unnecessarily), false arrest and malicious prosecution. These are the most common cases that are filed in the Court system.

Excessive Force Cases

A police officer acts with excessive force when he/she uses an amount of force with regards to a civilian that is more then necessary. Police officers are certainly permitted to use force and in some situations, deadly force. However, there are times when officers misuse their authority and injure someone without a justified reason. For example, take a situation where an officer stops an elderly gentleman for speeding. The officer asks the driver to get out of the car and while the driver opens the car door, the officer yanks him up from his seat and throws him against the car. This would be an example of excessive force. As there would be no need to cause injury to the driver of the car, the officer would be liable for using excessive force (here, liable means legally responsible in a court of law for damages that the driver suffers from officer’s abuse).

False Arrest

Generally speaking, an arrest is defined as any type of situation that you are involved in with an officer where you are not free to leave. If you are under arrest, the next question that should then be asked is what is the reason for the arrest. If the officer does not have a valid reason for arresting you, then you may have a false arrest claim. Take the following example. A police officer sees a young lad standing on the corner, alone, minding his own business. The officer comes up to young man and tells him that he must submit to a search (pat down search). The boy says no and the officer tells him that he must submit. The boy again says no and the officer forces him into the squad car and takes him down to the station. After searching the boy at the station and checking his background, the officer releases him. The young man has a valid false arrest claim. He was arrested without any valid basis whatsoever and brought down into the station.
A valid federal claim and state law claim could be pursued and won, assuming that these facts could be proven at trial.

Malicious Prosecution

A malicious prosecution claim is similar to a false arrest claim. In this type of case, the officer arrests an individual for no valid reason and then initiates a criminal complaint against the innocent person. Typical cases in this regard are Aggravated Battery cases. Here, an officer for no good reason, strikes a civilian. The civilian blocks the strike and hits back. The officer then tackles the civilian and arrests him and charges him with striking the officer – known as Aggravated Battery. After the criminal case is over (and preferably won) the innocent civilian may lodge a civil rights case against the officer for excessive force, false arrest and malicious prosecution.

What if my case is not so clear cut?

Many people don’t understand what it takes to win a police misconduct case. First, the law can be quite confusing. Second, there is frequently a difference from what it is that can be proven as opposed to what happened. For example, a police brutality case would be stronger if there was an independent witness to observe an officers abuse. Frequently, there are no witnesses and the case must be proven through other means. Take, for example, the factual scenario of the gentleman (above) in the excessive force case. If the police officer fails to detail anything in his report to justify his actions and the driver goes to the emergency room for injuries immediately after his interaction with the officer, then the case may easily be proven. So, the most important thing to do when confronted with a situation involving police misconduct is CONSULT A LAWYER. Don’t leave it to your own decision making process to determine whether you would be able to win a case in court. The law as well as the manner by which your case can be proven is complicated. Get some free advice as you will be better off.

IF AFTER LOSING MY POLICE JOB I HAD SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DO WOULD I CUT AND PASTE EVERY ARTICLE ANTI- POLICE I COULD FIND

Johnson v. Village of Willowbrook

Largest police misconduct verdict for pat-down search in Illinois: $112,000.00 for woman who was searched (over the clothes) by two Caucasian police officers because she had expired license plates.

North Carolina: After 12-year-old Amanda Cope of Rock Hill was found raped and beaten to death in her own bed in 2001, her father Billy was subjected to 4 days of unrecorded, non-stop interrogation, until he confessed on videotape. In 2003, DNA matched the semen found in Amanda to James Sanders, a sex offender who moved to the Copes' neighborhood shortly before Amanda's murder. So the state has amended the charges against Billy to conspiracy because You Can't Waste a Coerced False Confession.

ATTITUDE SHIFT

There is a pattern that is repeating itself in jurisdiction after jurisdiction. Jurors are regularly rejecting the testimony of police officers and awarding substantial damages to plaintiffs claiming police responsibility for personal injuries, deaths and violations of civil rights.

"Jurors used to come in predisposed to believe the police," says Arturo J. Gonzalez of San Francisco's Morrison & Foerster, who has handled numerous cases against police departments. "Now jurors are more neutral and some are even predisposed to disbelieving police."

"For many, many decades, police enjoyed the benefit of the doubt with the American public," says John Smathers of Laurel, Md.'s McGowan, Cecil & Smathers, who won a $4 million excessive force verdict last year. "Today, the American public is more willing to look at officers and citizens on an equal footing."

This skepticism has improved the odds for plaintiffs' lawyers to pursue these lawsuits against the police in court. In the past two years, juries have awarded a series of verdicts against the police in a wide variety of cases.

In late 1999, a Washington, D.C., jury ordered the city police department to pay $98.1 million for the failure to protect an informant.

In 2000, a New York jury awarded $92 million to a young man who was rendered paraplegic when shot by an off-duty police officer.

Awards in 2001 include:

• $6 million in an excessive force-wrongful death action in Detroit, in which the defense claimed the victim shot by an off-duty officer was not only drunk but had attempted to run down the officer with his Jeep.

• $1 million in Baltimore in an excessive force case in which the only physical injury was a broken wrist.

• $8 million in Oregon to a woman who was shot by a state trooper who had pulled her over for speeding.

All of the juries were presented with conflicting reports of the events and chose the one offered by the plaintiffs.

The trend toward disbelieving the police has also led to swifter, and ever-larger, pretrial settlements, says Johnnie Cochran of Los Angeles' Cochran, Cherry, Givens & Smith.

In April, Cochran was a member of a team of lawyers who won an $18 million settlement from the city of Chicago over the shooting death of a young woman. The case settled just before trial, he says, after the city discovered through a focus group that a massive verdict was nearly guaranteed.

The single most important factor in changing juror attitudes toward the police was the 1991 beating of Rodney King, according to plaintiffs' lawyers. "Rodney King was something that everybody saw," says Gonzalez. "It changed national perceptions." But this has been reinforced by other, more recent, incidents, he says.

"Since then you've had Ruby Ridge, Waco, the guy in New York who was shot 26 times," and the Abner Louima case, he says. Others include the Rampart Division scandal in Los Angeles and episodes involving Gonzalez's clients, including the parents of an 11-year-old boy killed when shot in the back during a police raid on his home.

The growing recognition that these incidents happen and the rising size of settlements and verdicts have encouraged prospective plaintiffs to file cases against the police, says Cochran: "The police no longer have this aura of invincibility."

Plaintiffs' lawyers are also more willing to take cases, says Gonzalez. "Ten years ago, it was literally impossible for someone to find a lawyer to take a civil rights case on the part of a Latino," he says. "Now, if the plaintiff looks credible, plaintiffs' lawyers are more willing to roll the dice."

There are no figures on how many suits are being filed, but plaintiffs' lawyers confirm that numbers are rising. Cochran now has about 250 cases pending against police departments and government agencies nationwide over police misconduct. Pettit reports that "we're averaging about 25 to 40 calls a week in my office," from prospective plaintiffs seeking to file claims.

Not just the number of cases, but the size of verdicts is rising, says Cochran. "All over the country, we're seeing bigger numbers."

A false arrest-false imprisonment case in California may be the poster child for how verdicts and settlements against police agencies have risen over the past decade. Los Angeles police deputies arrested two Pico Rivera, Calif., couples in 1984 and charged them with child molestation. Nearly all the children recanted and the charges were dismissed at the preliminary hearing.

The two couples sued the county and in 1990 a Los Angeles jury awarded the plaintiffs $3.7 million. This was reversed and retried in 1995. The verdict then was $7.3 million. This was reversed as well and set for retrial. One couple settled for $4 million and the second couple, Tim and Helen O'Keefe, went to trial for a third time in 2000. The verdict this time was for $13.5 million. The O'Keefes settled in April for $9.9 million. Valentin v. County of Los Angeles, C 529739 (Super. Ct., Los Angeles).

There are more settlements today, largely because of the fear of facing juries, Cochran adds. In New York, this factor is clearly affecting litigation, says Fay Leoussis, chief of the city's torts division. The negative publicity over the Louima and Amadou Diallo police brutality cases has changed the city's response to such lawsuits. "As part of our risk management, we've been settling rather than taking these cases to the jury."

The testimony of officers at trial has also damaged their credibility, says Gonzalez. "In the cases I've had, police witnesses will say something that is blatantly untrue. And this reinforces what people now suspect -- that the police lie."

Gonzalez recently represented the family of Ramon Gallardo, a 64-year-old man who was killed in a SWAT team raid on his home. The police brought his wife to the police station and "interrogated her in the basement for four hours after her husband was shot," he says. In testifying in the Gallardo case, says Gonzalez, "the police chief said he treated Mrs. Gallardo the way he'd want his mother to be treated. This was obviously false." The Fresno, Calif., jury was so angry, he says, that in 1999, it awarded the Gallardo family $12.6 million, the largest verdict ever for a Latino against the police. The case has since been settled for $6 million. Gallardo v. Reinnecius, Civ. F 97 6111 (E.D. Calif.).

VIDEO EVIDENCE

The rising use of videotape has had a significant effect in improving the odds for plaintiffs, says Peter Grenier of Washington, D.C.'s Bode & Grenier, who won that $98.1 million verdict against the D.C. police. "A lot more hard evidence is being created."

Grenier recently won a $5 million settlement from the city of Asbury Park, N.J., over the suicide death of a man in police custody. Michael Watkins, a 20-year-old recovering drug addict, had been placed in an Asbury Park jail cell with the police neither confiscating his shoelaces nor determining what medications he needed. A camera posted in the Asbury Park jail would record each cell for eight seconds then move onto the next cell. Through nine minutes of the videotape, the camera kept going back to Watkins as he was hanging himself with the laces, but none of the guards looked at the screen, Grenier reports. The guards eventually responded. They cut him down and resuscitated him.

But this came too late. "He's now 24 and in a persistent vegetative state," the lawyer says. A suit against the city was to begin on June 11 but settled.

The next wave, Cochran notes, will be in lawsuits and judgments against police departments "over shoddy, overzealous prosecutions." The settlements in the Rampart case in Los Angeles, he says, will likely top $100 million.

Plaintiffs' attorneys are becoming more creative and pushing more esoteric claims. In Ohio, the family of a woman killed by her boyfriend sued the village of Blanchester and its police chief for failing to pursue a hunt for her body. The body was never found and the family charged a violation of their constitutional property rights in preserving "the remains of their loved one," says plaintiffs' attorney Alphonse A. Gerhardstein of Cincinnati's Laufman & Gerhardstein. In February, a Cincinnati jury awarded $3.75 million. Culberson v. Doan, C-1-97-965 (S.D. Ohio).

But while jurors are more receptive and plaintiffs' attorneys more inventive, there are obstacles remaining in pursuing these cases.

Depending on the jurisdiction or the claim, there can be sovereign immunity for the police department, qualified immunity for individual police officers or a daunting burden of proof.

Federal case law may block recovery in certain actions, says Gerhardstein. A 1998 U.S. Supreme Court decision on police responsibility in deaths or injuries caused by police chases, for example, raised the bar considerably, he notes.

The verdicts aren't always sustained on appeal. Grenier's $98 million verdict was cut to just over $1 million. Smathers' $4.1 million verdict was sliced to $1.6 million, and that $1 million broken wrist verdict was remitted by 90 percent.

Where the case is filed depends on the facts, says Gonzalez. Excessive force cases are often better pursued in federal courts, as violations of the Fourth or 14th amendments, he believes.

Gerhardstein notes that federal courts are generally more receptive to any actions against the police.AM I ASKING QUESTIONS WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO?
Yes that is why you be up at 420 am,

[Suozzi buys CO Love]

Suozzi's sweet deal with the CO is his pathetic attempt to buy their love. Don't be surprised if he starts trying to sell his wares next to the boys in blue. Peterson is gaining surprising supporters and he hasn't even really started campaigning yet - the headquarters only officially opened last week. And the cops ride by as a courtesy to make sure things are A-OK.

:roll:

[blueknight]

ban this guys w his sue police bull. enough already . he clogs every thread

ban this guys w his sue police bull. enough already . he clogs every thread
ignore him, hes a troll, got a long history of running off, he hates cops, no doubt either couldnt pass the mustard or got caught with his grubby fingers in the cocaine...I mean cookie jar

[Co's make more risk less]

Suozzi did nice for the CO's huh? Maybe some cops will quit the force to go over to the sheriff's office. Maybe Suozz will fill the "desk" jobs in the cops offices with CO's instead of beat cops if he's re-elected.

Suoz stinks. Vote for Peterson.

[snappy]

guy, believe me suozzola did not do any great shakes for the c.o's. we give back, while he gives us a few bucks in 2007....yes 2007. thats like going to a stip club, getting drunk, and then getting a handjob from your wife's fat sister... its fun til' your friends find out.

[My bad so]

guy, believe me suozzola did not do any great shakes for the c.o's. we give back, while he gives us a few bucks in 2007....yes 2007. thats like going to a stip club, getting drunk, and then getting a handjob from your wife's fat sister... its fun til' your friends find out.

So Suozzi's budget will balance again on borrowed money - is that it? AND you can work 150 hours overtime in a month, but not 153? That's the give back?

Suozz screwed everyone. The workers and the taxpayers.

Article in newsday today about how sheriff contract could effect other contracts.

[Notacop]

Of course it affects other contracts--triggers re-openers on many levels.

[Who reads Newsday?]

You still read Newsday?

Sheriff and Undersheriff are both NYC demonuts who Suozzi owed patronage favors too. Used to be sheriff's had to live in nassau county but since the bosses don't, they can't exactly enforce it among the ranks either.

[Looks like a stick]

Looks like no re-opening - the Suoz is left with his pants down and emptied pockets inside out. Again.

[Peterson gets Endorsement]

IT's been official for awhile - Greg Peterson gets the Nassau County PBA endorsement for County Executive. He also got the endorsement of the Volunteer Firefighters. Go Peterson? Send that Suozzi Metrosexual away!

[Monneette]

The only extension Suozzio will go for is the penis extension. :lol:

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This topic is old and obsolete. The subject matter no longer pertains to anything that holds any weight.

PLEASE DELETE THIS SUBJECT

[Sour apples]

IT's been official for awhile - Greg Peterson gets the Nassau County PBA endorsement for County Executive. He also got the endorsement of the Volunteer Firefighters. Go Peterson? Send that Suozzi Metrosexual away!


Now it's time for our revenge. We'll teach Suozzi who's really in charge at the polls in November. By By Tom. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I hope that guys who want change in County Government get what they want. Remember talk is cheap!! You have to make sure guys and their families VOTE..plain and simple. You can support any candidate with $$$, but the only thing that matters is the vote count on November 8th.

[removable extention]

that would make him a detachable penis?

[Wise words]

I hope that guys who want change in County Government get what they want. Remember talk is cheap!! You have to make sure guys and their families VOTE..plain and simple. You can support any candidate with $$$, but the only thing that matters is the vote count on November 8th.


Wiser words were never said. I'll do my part to get Peterson levers pulled. Will you?

[I will.]

I will.


gregpeterson2005.com


Challenge - point and block Tommy Boy. Checkmate.


gregpeterson2005.com

[Count me in.]

Me too.

[AT WAR WITH NEWSDAY]

I THINK IT'S HIGH TIME WE STOOD UP IN FULL FORCE, FAMILY, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND WHATEVER STRANGERS WE CAN CONVINCE, AND DRAG THEM TO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER IF WE HAVE TO - TO PULL THE LEVER DOWN AND ELECT GREG PETERSON COUNTY EXECUTIVE. ONCE AND FOR ALL, WE NEED TO SHOW THOSE FAT HEADS AT NEWSDAY THEY HAVE NO POWER. WE HOLD THE POWER. ONCE WE GET PETERSON INTO OFFICE, THE PUBLISHER OF THE TIMES-MIRROR WILL BE FORCED TO FIRE THOSE FAT HEADS AT NEWSDAY AND WE WILL BE TWICE VICTORIOUS. NEWSDAY AGAINST COPS. THEY LOSE. FAT HEADS.

[solo]

What Long Island needs is to get rid of that liberal rag Newsday, and get a paper thats not afraid to" tell it like it is". I dont know, The Long Island Post perhaps. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[That's not a bad paper]

I cancelled my Suozziday a long time ago and I don't miss it. If I want to get a load of what crock their selling, I check out Newsday.com. 5 minutes & I get the flavor & it reinforces my decision to save the money. I'll alternate now between picking up the Daily News and the Long Island Post and once in awhile on a Sunday I might pick up the Times or even Newsday - just to get the sales. Suozziday needs to get HURT by drastic and continued circulation cuts before fat Klurfeld gets bounce out on his ass into a vat of his blue ink.

[hoooomo]

the only extension I want is on my cock!

[What about the sellout]

Do you believe Suozzi trying to buy the PBA by making Delraba Commissioner. I wonder what his NYC boy Lawrence thinks of that. That's how Suozzi kept the Conservatives from endorsing by Peterson, by giving the Conservative leader the Consumer Affairs Commissioner job. Too bad Bogsted is such a sell out. It won't matter because his own people are committed to Peterson despite Bruno & once Suozzi sees that Boggie can't deliver anymore - he'll be on his arse whether or not Suozzi gets re-elected, which I doubt. No right minded person would vote for him. IT's Peterson or bust - literally!

Don't tell me Gary wouldn't love the power trip of being commissioner!

[Revenge is sweet]

He's got more power now than he'd ever have as a water boy for Suozzi. Besides, who says that Peterson wouldn't offer him something nice when he gets sworn in next year? gregpeterson2005.com. Row A levers are gonna come bearing down tomorrow. Bye Bye Tommy Boy. Some time out of the limelight will do your hairpiece good!

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Well guys, today is THE DAY!! Talk is cheap get out to the polls and VOTE!! Get your family and friends out there as well!!