My Healthcare Insurance Just Went Up $500 A Year Thank You Steve Israel

[Oh Great !]

Nice to know congressman Steve Israel is looking out for us older folks. I guess if this is the way of Obama care I'll have to give up my health insurance which is private and go to government healthcare. I really liked my insurance up until now but our federal government knows whats best for me right ?

[glennbecker]

Well Oreilly said his went up 2100 dollars. Hopefully everyone will get their statements prior to the midterms so we can get this bums out of office.

[freakthis]

Nice to know congressman Steve Israel is looking out for us older folks. I guess if this is the way of Obama care I'll have to give up my health insurance which is private and go to government healthcare. I really liked my insurance up until now but our federal government knows whats best for me right ?

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/holy-mistake-congress-wipes-out-congressional-health-care-insurance-lmao/question-972761/?link=ibaf&imgurl=http://bp1.blogger.com/_4QHxlOyRCIk/RxST2_PYBII/AAAAAAAAAkQ/Yr5VBrZtb-U/s400/screwed.jpg&q=congressional%2Bhealthcare%2Binsurance

[Unregisteredpolitician]

Nice to know congressman Steve Israel is looking out for us older folks. I guess if this is the way of Obama care I'll have to give up my health insurance which is private and go to government healthcare. I really liked my insurance up until now but our federal government knows whats best for me right ?

Question put to Congressman Steve Israel about Obama's Healthcare bill

HOW WILL THE BILL REDUCE THE COST OF HEALTH CARE?

ANSWER by congressman Steve Israel: Because our population is aging and medical technologies are improving, the cost of health care is expected to rise. This bill is intended to slow the rate of that increase. Here's how:

Competition: By creating a new Health Insurance Exchange and requiring insurance companies to compete against each other for your premium dollars, they will become more price sensitive. That lowers costs.

"Duh that ain't happening"

[Unregistered3344]

Question put to Congressman Steve Israel about Obama's Healthcare bill

HOW WILL THE BILL REDUCE THE COST OF HEALTH CARE?

ANSWER by congressman Steve Israel: Because our population is aging and medical technologies are improving, the cost of health care is expected to rise. This bill is intended to slow the rate of that increase. Here's how:

Competition: By creating a new Health Insurance Exchange and requiring insurance companies to compete against each other for your premium dollars, they will become more price sensitive. That lowers costs.

"Duh that ain't happening"

And how have your premiums been the past 12-15 years?

[Unregisteredjhg]

And how have your premiums been the past 12-15 years?

they never jumped 40% like they have now and all in a few months

[Unregistered569]

they never jumped 40% like they have now and all in a few months

What kind of coverage do you have?

[Unrequited]

They should all be thrown out out office this November! With unemployment at 8%, they pushed a stimulus bill and said it will stop unemployment, get people back to work.
Well, they ignored the economy and the American worker and spent 18 months concoting a health care bill that no one knows the FULL effects of yet. It appears to dramatically increase everyones rates, but it has to! If you add all people previously uninsured, pre existing conditions, insurance companies will have greater payouts so they must charge higher premuims. And the bill was sold with 10 years of additional revenues and only 6 years of the expenses. Duh! I know enough math to realize once this baby gets rolling we will be in red ink!
Throw them out. This bill wasn't neccessary at this time, getting people back to work was, but Democratic Leadership imagine a monument being created with their name on it, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama. Anyone who helped push this agenda along should be voted out! Immediately!

[don't get it]

They should all be thrown out out office this November! With unemployment at 8%, they pushed a stimulus bill and said it will stop unemployment, get people back to work.
Well, they ignored the economy and the American worker and spent 18 months concoting a health care bill that no one knows the FULL effects of yet. It appears to dramatically increase everyones rates, but it has to! If you add all people previously uninsured, pre existing conditions, insurance companies will have greater payouts so they must charge higher premuims. And the bill was sold with 10 years of additional revenues and only 6 years of the expenses. Duh! I know enough math to realize once this baby gets rolling we will be in red ink!
Throw them out. This bill wasn't neccessary at this time, getting people back to work was, but Democratic Leadership imagine a monument being created with their name on it, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama. Anyone who helped push this agenda along should be voted out! Immediately!

I don't get your math or your logic. Part of the idea of the health care reform that was passed is to include people who were previously uninsured, yes. These tend to be the young healthy ones who prefer to gamble with their health and hope for the best. When they do get sick, we currently have to subsidize them. If they do join the rolls you will have more people paying into the system who will probably not receive a lot in payouts. That helps make the system solvent. It was necessary at this time because the system was broken and we weren't going to be able to afford it. Leaving the system alone would have been ridiculous and cruel. People who supported it will be getting my vote.

[TiredoftheBS]

I don't get your math or your logic. Part of the idea of the health care reform that was passed is to include people who were previously uninsured, yes. These tend to be the young healthy ones who prefer to gamble with their health and hope for the best. When they do get sick, we currently have to subsidize them. If they do join the rolls you will have more people paying into the system who will probably not receive a lot in payouts. That helps make the system solvent. It was necessary at this time because the system was broken and we weren't going to be able to afford it. Leaving the system alone would have been ridiculous and cruel. People who supported it will be getting my vote.

LOL- There is no math or logic to their view points. Its all about "me now" with no thought for the future. These are the same idiots who still think- lets give big tax breaks to biz and the wealthy. It dosnt matter that people can no longer afford to buy what biz is selling.

My only regret is Obama didnt do more in tearing down the system What we need is universal coverage. Everybody gets the same plan. If your a health care pro- use to making 7 figures- too bad. Now your making 5 figures. Dont like it- no problem- 20 doctors are waiting in the wings to fill your shoes!

[Unrequited]

LOL- There is no math or logic to their view points. Its all about "me now" with no thought for the future. These are the same idiots who still think- lets give big tax breaks to biz and the wealthy. It dosnt matter that people can no longer afford to buy what biz is selling.

My only regret is Obama didnt do more in tearing down the system What we need is universal coverage. Everybody gets the same plan. If your a health care pro- use to making 7 figures- too bad. Now your making 5 figures. Dont like it- no problem- 20 doctors are waiting in the wings to fill your shoes!

Those 18 months would have been better spent getting people back to work. The only way that health care debacle squeaked by with CBO scoring was to calculate 10 years of additional revenues and delay the benefits, or expenses so you calculate 10 years of revenues vs 6 years of costs. Thats what made the bill deficit neutral. If guess thats the new math being taught in school nowadays.
Democrats are good at spending other peoples money, and as the Old Grand Lady, Maggie Thatcher once said, the only problem is one day they run out of your money

[tiredoftheBS]

Those 18 months would have been better spent getting people back to work. The only way that health care debacle squeaked by with CBO scoring was to calculate 10 years of additional revenues and delay the benefits, or expenses so you calculate 10 years of revenues vs 6 years of costs. Thats what made the bill deficit neutral. If guess thats the new math being taught in school nowadays.
Democrats are good at spending other peoples money, and as the Old Grand Lady, Maggie Thatcher once said, the only problem is one day they run out of your money

So's the wealthy. They spend their workers money on fancy lunches and cars and say-"well- its my money", than they right it off thier taxes as a business expense and cheat the system.

I still dont get your math. A business borrows money to buy its inventory- makes the sale- keeps the profit and repays the bank. How is your math any different?

[Unregisteredwhich]

LOL- There is no math or logic to their view points. Its all about "me now" with no thought for the future. These are the same idiots who still think- lets give big tax breaks to biz and the wealthy. It dosnt matter that people can no longer afford to buy what biz is selling.

My only regret is Obama didnt do more in tearing down the system What we need is universal coverage. Everybody gets the same plan. If your a health care pro- use to making 7 figures- too bad. Now your making 5 figures. Dont like it- no problem- 20 doctors are waiting in the wings to fill your shoes!


Socialism. universal care is Socialism. Which is the American Way? NO! Everybody has medical care. Some have better care. Those that do generally WORK for that care. NOBODY in America is without Medical care. To many would rather pay for IPHONES and 150$ a month plans then their 100$ medical bill. Sorry, thats not American, or is it now. Lazy do nothing 49% of Americans not paying federal taxes. America's POOR live way to well, better than 99% of the World, including the worlds middle class and expect to live even better on sombody else's blood sweat and tears.

F-U Lazy do nothings. Goto work. Cancel your Iphone cell plan and you can but catastrophic medical coverage. 100$ bill for Dr visit w/out Insurance? pay it and put the Iphone and Big screen TV's down and new cars every few years. If you truely are poor, lame or disabled thats Medicaid which will even buy your DANG Asprin.

Spare us your Socialism. It will destroy us very soon.

[Unregisteredfffggggddds]

So's the wealthy. They spend their workers money on fancy lunches and cars and say-"well- its my money", than they right it off thier taxes as a business expense and cheat the system.

I still dont get your math. A business borrows money to buy its inventory- makes the sale- keeps the profit and repays the bank. How is your math any different?

Which is wrong. Like the poor who use food stamps to trade for smokes and beer. Who have Iphones at 500$ a phone and a 100$ a month bill but want my money to buy there food. BS America. BS!!!!

They work off the books, get free lunches for their kids at school. PB and J is cheap. Rice and beans and Broccoli is cheap. Jumbo Shrimp isnt and YOU cant have it if you didnt win and work hard and earn it, even if you got lucky or got it b/c your parents earned it. Sorry, thats America as it was. new American's after they spend everybody else's money will look like the rest of the World's poor. US Poor live far to well for the work they put into it. Sorry to burst your Socialist bubble. GOTO work. Work harder and pay 48% tax on that money so somebody else can get free food and talk on their Iphone all day. BS!

[tiredoftheBS]

Which is wrong. Like the poor who use food stamps to trade for smokes and beer. Who have Iphones at 500$ a phone and a 100$ a month bill but want my money to buy there food. BS America. BS!!!!

They work off the books, get free lunches for their kids at school. PB and J is cheap. Rice and beans and Broccoli is cheap. Jumbo Shrimp isnt and YOU cant have it if you didnt win and work hard and earn it, even if you got lucky or got it b/c your parents earned it. Sorry, thats America as it was. new American's after they spend everybody else's money will look like the rest of the World's poor. US Poor live far to well for the work they put into it. Sorry to burst your Socialist bubble. GOTO work. Work harder and pay 48% tax on that money so somebody else can get free food and talk on their Iphone all day. BS!

You folks can keep picking those racist scars all day long. But in the end- it will be socialism. Its always the same lying argument from you- you dont have money- gee- you must not work. Gee- you must smoke and have an expensive iphone.

Go to the mall someday- those arent poor people packed in the apple store. The poor dont own iphones you idiots.

The real problem with heath care is every time a wealthy person gets a wet fart- he gets MRI's, cat scans, blood work and consults with 10 different doctors. Sure- he pays a premium for his coverage- but the bill is 10 times what he paid in premiums. This is why your boss tells you I cant afford your health anymore.

One plan for everybody. Money should never had corrupted the health care system as you idiots allowed. And now because of your excess- you are going to have to pay for everybodies- oh well!

Oh- go ahead- blame freddy mac and Barny rank- lol- clearly it was their fault!

[Unreg1234]

You folks can keep picking those racist scars all day long. But in the end- it will be socialism. Its always the same lying argument from you- you dont have money- gee- you must not work. Gee- you must smoke and have an expensive iphone.

Go to the mall someday- those arent poor people packed in the apple store. The poor dont own iphones you idiots.

The real problem with heath care is every time a wealthy person gets a wet fart- he gets MRI's, cat scans, blood work and consults with 10 different doctors. Sure- he pays a premium for his coverage- but the bill is 10 times what he paid in premiums. This is why your boss tells you I cant afford your health anymore.

One plan for everybody. Money should never had corrupted the health care system as you idiots allowed. And now because of your excess- you are going to have to pay for everybodies- oh well!

Oh- go ahead- blame freddy mac and Barny rank- lol- clearly it was their fault!

Thank God only you and maybe 2 neighbors feel that way, come November we clean house and put this country back on course.

[Unregisteredso]

You folks can keep picking those racist scars all day long. But in the end- it will be socialism. Its always the same lying argument from you- you dont have money- gee- you must not work. Gee- you must smoke and have an expensive iphone.

Go to the mall someday- those arent poor people packed in the apple store. The poor dont own iphones you idiots.

The real problem with heath care is every time a wealthy person gets a wet fart- he gets MRI's, cat scans, blood work and consults with 10 different doctors. Sure- he pays a premium for his coverage- but the bill is 10 times what he paid in premiums. This is why your boss tells you I cant afford your health anymore.

One plan for everybody. Money should never had corrupted the health care system as you idiots allowed. And now because of your excess- you are going to have to pay for everybodies- oh well!

Oh- go ahead- blame freddy mac and Barny rank- lol- clearly it was their fault!

So where the HECK did I say something racist? Nice going to your well. As for Socialism, yes thats what it is. You admit we will have to PAY for EVERYBODY else's. Socialism, robbery or what?

fair share. please enlighten yourself on the plight of America's poor. They live better then 99% of the world. Yup even better then Europe's middle class. they avg 17 hrs of work per week per HOUSEHOLD. Get it! They are inherited LAZY.

Welathy people I BET get les MRI"S and Cat scans. Those are saved for the Emergency room visitors and those without heath coverage or illegal or MEDICAID. Those with healthcare, ergo jobs beside cashier or non profit gov funnel posistion, have DR's who follow them and order tests as deemed necessary.

Check out Heritage . org. Yes it's Conservative, thats a defintion as well as a party. read on the plight of the poor in their piece. You will see that OUR poor

Have Big screen Tv's---Mulitple Tv's ----- cable---Internet
Cell Phones OVER EAT AC Cars ( plural )
Larger Living area's then Europe's Middle class
better Healthcare then Europe
Work on avg 17 hrs per household per week
to name only a few. Socialism is a failed political modality. It ruins human nature. You know the give a man teach a man fish proverb.

Socialism is th equal sharing of miseries----
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings---- Churchill ( Winston not
the other idiot)
Work harder. Learn to live with 99% better then the rest of the world, Especially if you are among the 17 hr a week LAZY.

[SOCIALDEMS]

Everytime I'm near a hospital ER scores of immigrants "mostly illegals according to staff" are getting their healthcare for free and many are nearby on their cell phones

Thanks for distributing the wealth Obama Israel Bishop

[TiredoftheBS]

So where the HECK did I say something racist? Nice going to your well. As for Socialism, yes thats what it is. You admit we will have to PAY for EVERYBODY else's. Socialism, robbery or what?

fair share. please enlighten yourself on the plight of America's poor. They live better then 99% of the world. Yup even better then Europe's middle class. they avg 17 hrs of work per week per HOUSEHOLD. Get it! They are inherited LAZY.

Welathy people I BET get les MRI"S and Cat scans. Those are saved for the Emergency room visitors and those without heath coverage or illegal or MEDICAID. Those with healthcare, ergo jobs beside cashier or non profit gov funnel posistion, have DR's who follow them and order tests as deemed necessary.

Check out Heritage . org. Yes it's Conservative, thats a defintion as well as a party. read on the plight of the poor in their piece. You will see that OUR poor

Have Big screen Tv's---Mulitple Tv's ----- cable---Internet
Cell Phones OVER EAT AC Cars ( plural )
Larger Living area's then Europe's Middle class
better Healthcare then Europe
Work on avg 17 hrs per household per week
to name only a few. Socialism is a failed political modality. It ruins human nature. You know the give a man teach a man fish proverb.

Socialism is th equal sharing of miseries----
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings---- Churchill ( Winston not
the other idiot)
Work harder. Learn to live with 99% better then the rest of the world, Especially if you are among the 17 hr a week LAZY.

Try reading what you write. Americas poor are the folks who make less than 50 grand. Thats half the tax payers out there. 46 percent!. Were the working people who do the work so you can make the profits.

Im not going to read that propaganda bullshit. I dont need to- I live the life.

I make 35 grand a year- work a 50- week, have no healthcare- vacation time and havnt seen a raise in 10 years. Yes- I work in the private sector- the small biz dream you people keep talking about. My bosses do very well, family money is always sweet. Everytime there is a recession- they lay somebody off - spread the work to us and improve their bottom line.

Wake up and look around- wealthy people get MRI's every time they go to the hospital. My bosses daughter fainted a couple months back After 30 thousand dollars of tests- it was determined she had to many frappachinos from starbucks!!!

Have you been to an emergency room lately? I suspect not. This year I have been twice, when they thought I had insurance- they ordered every test under the sun! When I went back the second time and told them I had charity care- yes- as a full time worker I qualify for charity care- they barely even looked at me. BTW- the first time I had a thromboses hemorrhoid- the second time a heart attack!

You conservatives are either incredibly stupid or you know every word I am saying is true and you simply want to drain the system till we are all broke.

But the rub is this- I know how to live frugally- do you??

[Unregistered4321]

Thank God only you and maybe 2 neighbors feel that way, come November we clean house and put this country back on course.

Back on course?? !! Did you really type the words "back on course"???? Do you mean the same g*ddamn course you a**holes put us on from 2000-2008? THAT course? No f*cking thanks, a**hole. YOU put us in the mess we're in. Better get a brain scan to figure out when you had that stroke.

[tiredoftheBS]

Back on course?? !! Did you really type the words "back on course"???? Do you mean the same g*ddamn course you a**holes put us on from 2000-2008? THAT course? No f*cking thanks, a**hole. YOU put us in the mess we're in. Better get a brain scan to figure out when you had that stroke.

lol!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Back on course?? !! Did you really type the words "back on course"???? Do you mean the same g*ddamn course you a**holes put us on from 2000-2008? THAT course? No f*cking thanks, a**hole. YOU put us in the mess we're in. Better get a brain scan to figure out when you had that stroke.

BAck on course, full speed ahead, everything was fine and every time some Republican tried to put the brakes on Fannie , Freddie and 2% down housing , but the Dems wouldnt let them, see quotes below:

House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 10, 2003:

Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.): I worry, frankly, that there's a tension here. The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios. .


Rep. Maxine Waters (D., Calif.), speaking to Housing and Urban Development Secretary Mel Martinez:

Secretary Martinez, if it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have the GSEs [government-sponsored enterprises] ever missed their housing goals?

* * *
House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 25, 2003:

Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing.
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB122290574391296381.html

The economy was doing just fine and the Democrat fueled housing bubble burst!!!
Now we do it the right way!!

[TIRedoftheBS]

"......everything was fine"

Perhaps if you lived on Mars. We had a financial meltdown- record foreclosures, insane property taxes, record unemployment and a war we had no biz being in- down here on earth. Most americans dont want to continue down that path again!

[UnregisteredObserver]

"......everything was fine"

Perhaps if you lived on Mars. We had a financial meltdown- record foreclosures, insane property taxes, record unemployment and a war we had no biz being in- down here on earth. Most americans dont want to continue down that path again!

You really need reading comprehension tutoring. The post above laid it out so even a liberal could understand it, oh thats right, liberals are in denial.

Everything hinged upon the housing market, try reading again how the Democrats protected Fannie and Freddie, Barney Frank said , Lets roll the dice, yea, it wasnt his money on the table.
Face it , you're done, Democrat spending spree is over
The Bush spending spree is over (you happy now?)
Fiscal conservatives are taking over, Adults will now be in charge
See Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, examples of how to govern with less
Educating you liberals is a never ending task, but must be done

[Marlene's friend]

My health insurance just went up 200 dollars a month

not exactly what Steve Israel said it would do,

he claimed the insurances companies would lower premiums do to government competition with them

looks like Obama and Steve are already distributing MY WEALTH

I gross well under 6 figures

I guess we can all thank these democrats for destroying the best healthcare system in the world-instead of tweaking it to make it better they are intent on making it bad for most of us

[TiredoftheBS]

You really need reading comprehension tutoring. The post above laid it out so even a liberal could understand it, oh thats right, liberals are in denial.

Everything hinged upon the housing market, try reading again how the Democrats protected Fannie and Freddie, Barney Frank said , Lets roll the dice, yea, it wasnt his money on the table.
Face it , you're done, Democrat spending spree is over
The Bush spending spree is over (you happy now?)
Fiscal conservatives are taking over, Adults will now be in charge
See Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, examples of how to govern with less
Educating you liberals is a never ending task, but must be done

Right- keep picking that scab. Try and find the facts to support what you claim. You cant.

And since none of the health care reforms have kicked in- your increases are a result of your own abuses and lousy leadership from the last 8 years.

And I have a news flash for you- nothing will change in November- the fiscal conservatives no longer have the money to buy their seats!!!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Right- keep picking that scab. Try and find the facts to support what you claim. You cant.

And since none of the health care reforms have kicked in- your increases are a result of your own abuses and lousy leadership from the last 8 years.

And I have a news flash for you- nothing will change in November- the fiscal conservatives no longer have the money to buy their seats!!!

Hah, even the jolly barney Frank tonight admitted the failings of Fannie and Freddie, just do some research, America is on to the scam that was pulled on it by the Democrats, give money away to buy houses, well it blew up. And the democrat dreams of their generation in power, whew, we stopped that mistake just in time.


Dealbook Column
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN
Published: August 16, 2010
Facebook

Representative Barney Frank said the mortgage giants were still vital to housing market.

The Massachusetts Democrat had been watching a morning news program that had me on, and soon afterward he was calling my cellphone to fume about that morning’s discussion. The topic? Why it has taken the government so long to address the fate of the zombie mortgage giants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It is an issue that has been talked about a lot of late.


“I take offense at the idea that we’ve done nothing,” he told me. Far from dragging its feet, he insisted, the government took the bold step of putting Fannie and Freddie into conservatorship in 2008. “There was no political fear to not do it.”

I asked the question that I hear from so many Americans: Why hasn’t the government tried to unwind and replace Fannie and Freddie, which have so far cost taxpayers $145 billion, more than any other bailed-out firm?

His response was counterintuitive — and as unsatisfying as it may sound, he’s right.

“There is no urgency,” he said.

Come again?

“We’ve already abolished Fannie and Freddie,” he said, referring to the government takeover. “Yes, we waited too long to fix it. But the money is not being lost by anything they are doing now.”

In other words, the sinkhole that is Fannie and Freddie — Freddie just said it needed an additional $1.8 billion and the Congressional Budget Office says the combined companies could cost taxpayers $389 billion over the next decade — is not a function of those firms making new loans that have gone bad, but the continued “bleeding,” as Mr. Frank put it, from previous loans made before the crisis that are still going belly-up.

[bobby thompson]

My health insurance just went up 200 dollars a month

not exactly what Steve Israel said it would do,

he claimed the insurances companies would lower premiums do to government competition with them

looks like Obama and Steve are already distributing MY WEALTH

I gross well under 6 figures

I guess we can all thank these democrats for destroying the best healthcare system in the world-instead of tweaking it to make it better they are intent on making it bad for most of us

What country are you referring to? Because BY NO MEASURE do we have the "best healthcare system in the world."

[Unregistered5656]

Thank God only you and maybe 2 neighbors feel that way, come November we clean house and put this country back on course.

Q: What course is he talking about? The course that had us start 2 wars with no way to pay for them? The course that created a huge DHS bureaucracy with no way to pay for it? The course that increased the role of the federal government with No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D? The course that drove the economy off a cliff? The course that was littered with corruption? Is he referring to THAT course?

A. It sure seems so. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[TiredoftheBS]

Hah, even the jolly barney Frank tonight admitted the failings of Fannie and Freddie, just do some research, America is on to the scam that was pulled on it by the Democrats, give money away to buy houses, well it blew up. And the democrat dreams of their generation in power, whew, we stopped that mistake just in time.


Dealbook Column
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN
Published: August 16, 2010
Facebook

Representative Barney Frank said the mortgage giants were still vital to housing market.

The Massachusetts Democrat had been watching a morning news program that had me on, and soon afterward he was calling my cellphone to fume about that morning’s discussion. The topic? Why it has taken the government so long to address the fate of the zombie mortgage giants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It is an issue that has been talked about a lot of late.


“I take offense at the idea that we’ve done nothing,” he told me. Far from dragging its feet, he insisted, the government took the bold step of putting Fannie and Freddie into conservatorship in 2008. “There was no political fear to not do it.”

I asked the question that I hear from so many Americans: Why hasn’t the government tried to unwind and replace Fannie and Freddie, which have so far cost taxpayers $145 billion, more than any other bailed-out firm?

His response was counterintuitive — and as unsatisfying as it may sound, he’s right.

“There is no urgency,” he said.

Come again?

“We’ve already abolished Fannie and Freddie,” he said, referring to the government takeover. “Yes, we waited too long to fix it. But the money is not being lost by anything they are doing now.”

In other words, the sinkhole that is Fannie and Freddie — Freddie just said it needed an additional $1.8 billion and the Congressional Budget Office says the combined companies could cost taxpayers $389 billion over the next decade — is not a function of those firms making new loans that have gone bad, but the continued “bleeding,” as Mr. Frank put it, from previous loans made before the crisis that are still going belly-up.


ANDREW ROSS SORKIN?? Are you kidding- this guy is one step below Alfred E Newman. No wonder you folks are so delusional.

[Unregisteredokssooo]

Right- keep picking that scab. Try and find the facts to support what you claim. You cant.

And since none of the health care reforms have kicked in- your increases are a result of your own abuses and lousy leadership from the last 8 years.

And I have a news flash for you- nothing will change in November- the fiscal conservatives no longer have the money to buy their seats!!!


Ok so why are we paying for a program now when it doesnt start until 2014? To make it seem like it is cheaper than it is. Why ruin the best Medical care in the World? I know, to give equal care to all for unequal contributions.

Socialism, Communism. get it. Everybody in America is cared for. Nothing is free and was never meant to be. If your boss pays crap and has a crappy health plan, LEAVE. Again, the POOR in America are SPOILED rotten. There are winners and losers in this world, just like Little League until the Libs stop keeping score even if the kids still do. The kids soon get re-educated in school as to "fairness" in rewards but not in efforts.

It's destroying the greatest nation on Earth. Our Poor do very well. They cant have it all sorry, neither can I but I do work more than 17 hrs per work week per household. Cant YOU?

I did make good choices as a teen and early adult. Did you? Did they? Sadly many win and many lose, thats life. But our Losers have it very good.

[Unregisteredboringboring]

[QUOTE=bobby thompson;393167]What country are you referring to? Because BY NO MEASURE do we have the "best healthcare system in the world."[/QUOTE


Who does? Why do they? Who invents most medical techniques or drugs? Where do people go for treatment from the best?

Ok, ok. The UK and Canada have Universal healthcare. Those with money come here for quick and better care. Those who are denied life saving drugs and procedures b/c of cost to life care in those countries can write their Gov for help? Nope.

If we need to ration healthcare, or less care for the rich who do pay for it with their plans then what do we do under Obamacare? Cut care to the infirm, lame, retarded, disabled , stupid, old and poor? They are less valuable to the common good.

[UnregisteredObserver]

ANDREW ROSS SORKIN?? Are you kidding- this guy is one step below Alfred E Newman. No wonder you folks are so delusional.

Yea, Business writer for the commie rag, NY Times, last book. Too Big to Fail, best seller, acknowledged by all as the definitive description of the economic collapse. You, Like the Democrats are out of answers

[UnregisteredObserver]

Q: What course is he talking about? The course that had us start 2 wars with no way to pay for them? The course that created a huge DHS bureaucracy with no way to pay for it? The course that increased the role of the federal government with No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D? The course that drove the economy off a cliff? The course that was littered with corruption? Is he referring to THAT course?

A. It sure seems so. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Homeland Security, Forced upon us by the 911 Bi Partisan Committee, Strike 1,
No Child left Behind, Teddy Kennedy , Co wrote the bill, Strike 2,

But actually, we are referring to a new fiscal conservative course,
See PAul Ryan, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, they teach courses on how to govern within your taxpayers means.
Hmmm, Why is it that the states with the largest deficits on the verge of collapse were deep blue states,
California, Illinois, NY, NJ
Christie has stopped the bleeding in NJ, but all the Blue states, with large Democrat majorities, know how to do is spend your money,
Lets govern on a budget, without borrowing.
Vote Conservative!!!

[TiredoftheBS]

Ok so why are we paying for a program now when it doesnt start until 2014? To make it seem like it is cheaper than it is. Why ruin the best Medical care in the World? I know, to give equal care to all for unequal contributions.

Socialism, Communism. get it. Everybody in America is cared for. Nothing is free and was never meant to be. If your boss pays crap and has a crappy health plan, LEAVE. Again, the POOR in America are SPOILED rotten. There are winners and losers in this world, just like Little League until the Libs stop keeping score even if the kids still do. The kids soon get re-educated in school as to "fairness" in rewards but not in efforts.

It's destroying the greatest nation on Earth. Our Poor do very well. They cant have it all sorry, neither can I but I do work more than 17 hrs per work week per household. Cant YOU?

I did make good choices as a teen and early adult. Did you? Did they? Sadly many win and many lose, thats life. But our Losers have it very good.

Your right- there are winners and losers. Life isnt fair. But no matter how you slice it- you will pay for our healthcare in the end. Be it taxes or increased premiums. Thats the cost of being a winner. And since the winners are shrinking substantially, you will pay even more.

Quit your whining and pay up! The longer we leave it alone- the more you will pay! lol

[vitriol]

This whole conversation is ridiculous. 1) IF you have employer provided benefits you will now be taxed on those benefits. 2) Insurance rates WIlL double over the next five years. 3) If you do not now have benefits and cannot aford them you will be FINED (taxed) 3500. a year. 4) The quality of health care for the general populous will diminish. 5) Mediciad rolls WILL expand.

Behind every political idealogy is the evolutionary desire for capitalism. Replaced by monetary-ism, capitalism is but the acquisition of resources. It was born on the crossroads of trade and without it we would not only fail to generate wealth but also suffer the lack of vital resources. So it really becomes more a quetion of political involvement, more a question of what rights we the people can negotiate for ourselves, and how much of that wealth we are permitted to keep. Viewed in ths light, with socialism as the stepping stone, Marxism in its purest form is but a reform movement. No one denies the underlying precept - they are taking more from us so we in turn want more from them. But what has been absent in all of this is serious, informed, and intelligent debate. This healthcare bill is NOT the answer because it simply serves to exasperate.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Your right- there are winners and losers. Life isnt fair. But no matter how you slice it- you will pay for our healthcare in the end. Be it taxes or increased premiums. Thats the cost of being a winner. And since the winners are shrinking substantially, you will pay even more.

Quit your whining and pay up! The longer we leave it alone- the more you will pay! lol

This new bill does not address the cost curve, as promised, unless there is rationing, yes, death panels. You are too old to get a replacement hip, because it is too expensive.
It has already started, the FDA approved Avastin to treat breast cancer, now under pressure the administration, are withdrawing that approval. It is too expensive.
Perhaps you are correct and health care needs revamping, but not the debacle of a bill that was just bestowed upon us.

[Unregistered567]

you will only be taxed if your plan is a so-called "Cadillac plan" meaning if it costs your employer $25,000/yr or more then you will be taxed.

[tiredoftheBS]

you will only be taxed if your plan is a so-called "Cadillac plan" meaning if it costs your employer $25,000/yr or more then you will be taxed.

Why even bother to share the facts. These folks are simply clueless.

lol- 3500??? Where did you read that- ANDREW ROSS SORKIN??

[UnregisteredObserver]

Why even bother to share the facts. These folks are simply clueless.

lol- 3500??? Where did you read that- ANDREW ROSS SORKIN??

The bill is still a debacle and a job killer,
Excuse me, unless you work for the IRS, they will be hiring,
got that from Andrew Ross Sorkin too!!!

[Unregisterednah]

Your right- there are winners and losers. Life isnt fair. But no matter how you slice it- you will pay for our healthcare in the end. Be it taxes or increased premiums. Thats the cost of being a winner. And since the winners are shrinking substantially, you will pay even more.

Quit your whining and pay up! The longer we leave it alone- the more you will pay! lol


Nah. I'll just stop working so hard and become a loser to with my hand out. So will so many. get it. I dont make that much more then those below me, but I do deserve more b/c I EARNED it. Do you understand that point. please read the real story of the Pilgrims first few Winters. It will show you what Socialism is, and HOW it failed in America with a Homogeneous group who wanted it to work with all their being. It will show you how Capitalism began even then to launch America foward. Now, centuries later we are doing what.

[TiredoftheBS]

Nah. I'll just stop working so hard and become a loser to with my hand out. So will so many. get it. I dont make that much more then those below me, but I do deserve more b/c I EARNED it. Do you understand that point. please read the real story of the Pilgrims first few Winters. It will show you what Socialism is, and HOW it failed in America with a Homogeneous group who wanted it to work with all their being. It will show you how Capitalism began even then to launch America foward. Now, centuries later we are doing what.

You an ass. Im sure the indians agree with you too! And I doubt very seriously you earned it any more than the walmart worker or the target worker earns it. Until you learn what comes around goes around- you will continue to pay for the rest of us!

[Unregistered2funny]

You an ass. Im sure the indians agree with you too! And I doubt very seriously you earned it any more than the walmart worker or the target worker earns it. Until you learn what comes around goes around- you will continue to pay for the rest of us!


So, I graduated college. I made those great choices in my teens and early adulthood to study and work hard to have a good career. I suspect all those Walmart and Target workers did the same?


What you dont get is that if you can take a larger share of my money, what are you going to do when that drys up? Either b/c I'm taxed to heavy or I just work less and put my hands out. maybe they'll tax you next. Heck if you make the 35K you say, why dont you stop and collect Welfare the equiv of a 30K job to stay home for 5 yrs. You just dont understand fairness.

Speaking of which. Why such a menial job? What were you doing in your teens and early adulthood? Not being a jerk, but what happened? Heck I'm making steak tonight, might as well set a place for my neighbors, b/c it's the same thing.

[UnregisteredObserver]

"......everything was fine"

Perhaps if you lived on Mars. We had a financial meltdown- record foreclosures, insane property taxes, record unemployment and a war we had no biz being in- down here on earth. Most americans dont want to continue down that path again!
Barney Frank finally admits Democrats screwed up royally trying to inflate the housing market, admits some people are not cut out for home ownership!!!


Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be abolished rather than reformed as part of the Obama administration’s planned overhaul of the government’s role in housing finance, Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee, said on Tuesday.
“They should be abolished,” Frank said in an interview on Fox Business, when asked whether the mortgage giants should be elements in housing market reform. “They only question is what do you put in their place,” Frank said.
The Federal Housing Administration should be fully self-financing and Freddie and Fannie should be replaced with a new mechanism to help subsidize housing, Frank said in the interview.
“There is no more hybrid private-public,” the Massachusetts Democrat suggested. “If we want to subsidize housing then we could do it upfront and let the budget be clear about that.”
Why does Frank see the need to stop federal home-ownership initiatives?
“There were people in this society who for economic and, frankly, social reasons can’t and shouldn’t be homeowners,” Frank said. “I think we should, particularly, stop this assumption that you put everybody into homeownership.”
That’s certainly the lesson from the collapse of the housing bubble and the secondary derivative markets. It’s also a sea change for Frank. While he nearly dislocates his shoulder attempting to pat his own back by claiming that he has said this all along, it’s simply not true. Frank, in his role on the House Financial Services Committee, played a huge part in creating and maintaining the government intervention that severely distorted the lending markets. Whether or not he ever uttered a comment along the way about overdoing home ownership, Frank’s actions helped to create and maintain those policies, and he defended them repeatedly over the last twelve years

[Unregisteredsooooo]

Barney Frank finally admits Democrats screwed up royally trying to inflate the housing market, admits some people are not cut out for home ownership!!!


Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be abolished rather than reformed as part of the Obama administration’s planned overhaul of the government’s role in housing finance, Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee, said on Tuesday.
“They should be abolished,” Frank said in an interview on Fox Business, when asked whether the mortgage giants should be elements in housing market reform. “They only question is what do you put in their place,” Frank said.
The Federal Housing Administration should be fully self-financing and Freddie and Fannie should be replaced with a new mechanism to help subsidize housing, Frank said in the interview.
“There is no more hybrid private-public,” the Massachusetts Democrat suggested. “If we want to subsidize housing then we could do it upfront and let the budget be clear about that.”
Why does Frank see the need to stop federal home-ownership initiatives?
“There were people in this society who for economic and, frankly, social reasons can’t and shouldn’t be homeowners,” Frank said. “I think we should, particularly, stop this assumption that you put everybody into homeownership.”
That’s certainly the lesson from the collapse of the housing bubble and the secondary derivative markets. It’s also a sea change for Frank. While he nearly dislocates his shoulder attempting to pat his own back by claiming that he has said this all along, it’s simply not true. Frank, in his role on the House Financial Services Committee, played a huge part in creating and maintaining the government intervention that severely distorted the lending markets. Whether or not he ever uttered a comment along the way about overdoing home ownership, Frank’s actions helped to create and maintain those policies, and he defended them repeatedly over the last twelve years



So Universal Home Ownership failed. But now will have Universal Healthcare. LMAO! Thanks to the do less who want more. Please Poor of America, you got it good. Be quiet. Work harder. make better choices and you too can have a little more b/c your old friends will tax it away from you.

[tiredoftheBS]

So, I graduated college. I made those great choices in my teens and early adulthood to study and work hard to have a good career. I suspect all those Walmart and Target workers did the same?


What you dont get is that if you can take a larger share of my money, what are you going to do when that drys up? Either b/c I'm taxed to heavy or I just work less and put my hands out. maybe they'll tax you next. Heck if you make the 35K you say, why dont you stop and collect Welfare the equiv of a 30K job to stay home for 5 yrs. You just dont understand fairness.

Speaking of which. Why such a menial job? What were you doing in your teens and early adulthood? Not being a jerk, but what happened? Heck I'm making steak tonight, might as well set a place for my neighbors, b/c it's the same thing.

I worked 15 years in the restaurant biz- taught myself computers and graphics and now work as an art director. Like many people my age- late 40's- i bought a small house and have a mortgage. Its easy for people to say- leave- change jobs- but most private employers know all too well when key people leave- you can hire a college grad for 18-20 grand a year. If i left today- I would certainly loose my house with whats out there.

Im not into a free ride- just want to be treated fairly and paid reasonably.

You say "..What you dont get is that if you can take a larger share of my money, what are you going to do when that drys up"- Problem is its already happend to almost 50 percent of US tax payers. We have record foreclosures? Banks failing.

The republicans are simply trying to protect what for all accounts they have swindled and stolen over the years from working people. Think how ass backwards our system is- if you have a great job- make lots of money- you will get great credit rates. Clearly you dont need it- but heck, lets make your life better!

If your job sucks- and you have a hard time making your bills- you will be rewarded by a high rate- so you can be sure to fail.

After years of this thinking- look where we are???? Its time for a real change!

[tiredoftheBS]

Barney Frank finally admits Democrats screwed up royally trying to inflate the housing market, admits some people are not cut out for home ownership!!!


Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be abolished rather than reformed as part of the Obama administration’s planned overhaul of the government’s role in housing finance, Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee, said on Tuesday.
“They should be abolished,” Frank said in an interview on Fox Business, when asked whether the mortgage giants should be elements in housing market reform. “They only question is what do you put in their place,” Frank said.
The Federal Housing Administration should be fully self-financing and Freddie and Fannie should be replaced with a new mechanism to help subsidize housing, Frank said in the interview.
“There is no more hybrid private-public,” the Massachusetts Democrat suggested. “If we want to subsidize housing then we could do it upfront and let the budget be clear about that.”
Why does Frank see the need to stop federal home-ownership initiatives?
“There were people in this society who for economic and, frankly, social reasons can’t and shouldn’t be homeowners,” Frank said. “I think we should, particularly, stop this assumption that you put everybody into homeownership.”
That’s certainly the lesson from the collapse of the housing bubble and the secondary derivative markets. It’s also a sea change for Frank. While he nearly dislocates his shoulder attempting to pat his own back by claiming that he has said this all along, it’s simply not true. Frank, in his role on the House Financial Services Committee, played a huge part in creating and maintaining the government intervention that severely distorted the lending markets. Whether or not he ever uttered a comment along the way about overdoing home ownership, Frank’s actions helped to create and maintain those policies, and he defended them repeatedly over the last twelve years

Go ahead- post us the link from where you got your pearls of wisdom from!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Go ahead- post us the link from where you got your pearls of wisdom from!

Admitted failure of Democrat policy

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67H1FA20100818?type=politicsNews

[UnregisteredObserver]

Go ahead- post us the link from where you got your pearls of wisdom from!

Barney circa 2005



Transcript:

I think we have an excessive degree of concern right now about home ownership and its role in the economy. Obviously, speculation is never a good thing. But those who argue that housing prices are now at the point of a bubble seem to me to missing a very important point. Unlike previous examples we have had, where substantial excessive inflation of prices later caused some problems, we are talking here about an entity — home ownership, homes — where there is not the degree of leverage we have seen elsewhere. This is not the dot-com situation; we have problems with people having invested in business plans for which there was no reality. People building fiber-optic cable for which there was no need. Homes that are occupied may see an ebb and flow in the price at a certain percentage level, but you’re not going to see the collapse that you see when people talk about a bubble. And so, those of us on our committee in particular, will continue to push for home ownership.
-- Barney Frank, House Floor, 2005

[Unregisteredyasee]

I worked 15 years in the restaurant biz- taught myself computers and graphics and now work as an art director. Like many people my age- late 40's- i bought a small house and have a mortgage. Its easy for people to say- leave- change jobs- but most private employers know all too well when key people leave- you can hire a college grad for 18-20 grand a year. If i left today- I would certainly loose my house with whats out there.

Im not into a free ride- just want to be treated fairly and paid reasonably.

You say "..What you dont get is that if you can take a larger share of my money, what are you going to do when that drys up"- Problem is its already happend to almost 50 percent of US tax payers. We have record foreclosures? Banks failing.

The republicans are simply trying to protect what for all accounts they have swindled and stolen over the years from working people. Think how ass backwards our system is- if you have a great job- make lots of money- you will get great credit rates. Clearly you dont need it- but heck, lets make your life better!

If your job sucks- and you have a hard time making your bills- you will be rewarded by a high rate- so you can be sure to fail.

After years of this thinking- look where we are???? Its time for a real change!


Ya see now I get it. You get a LOWER credit score b/c YOU are a higher risk to Default costing the bank money. Doesnt that make sense? If you pay your bills you get a higher score, it's that simple. If you make more money you get a higher credit line. Simple really.

If you have a small house and sound happy as to what you do then GREAT. Enjoy life. You cant have a 40 foot boat though, neither do I! However the genius above gloats off of taking other peoples money. He/SHe has no understanding od America, at least what it was. America is living off other people's money. The Chinese!

Everybody in America lives substatially higher then the rest of the world and still they want more for less. Sorry, but the well is dry. Private Business is hoarding. the rich are hoarding. The Middle class is being reeled in to the poor. Thats Socialism. The Elite will remain. BUT now NOBODY will escape the plights of the poor ( cars, tv , cable, overfed, cell phones, etc ) to the middle class in the new America.

Your real change will last for a few years and then AMERICA will collapse like the USSR. Socialism FAILS. The UK collapsed as a world leader b/c it became more socialistic, ditto with France. get it.

[tiredoftheBS]

Admitted failure of Democrat policy

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67H1FA20100818?type=politicsNews

Well- clearly those are some pretty shiny pearls. Even Im not that big of an asshole to see how damaging this is.

But this is certainly not the first time a politician has made damaging remarks for his party- "weapons of mass destruction, no child left behind....and he has a long list!)

But it does bring up some interesting questions. Anybody know the percentage of failed loans that were the 3 percent kind? What about the people who owned them. I have heard that a lot of the foreclosures out east are actually second homes that the wannabe wealthy simply could no longer afford or deal with. The advice they are given- walk away- let it foreclose.

The 3 foreclosures in my neighborhood were the result of layoffs. they simply could not find a job that equaled what they were earning.

Most people that I am aware of having trouble simply are being out taxed. My mortgage payment goes up 200 in Sept. This will hurt.

And what about success stories. How many people actually pulled it off and became homeowners because of the 3 percent down??

Its funny how nobody yet seems to know these answers!

In the end- with 50 percent of the tax payers making less than 50,000 a year and the average home going for around 300,000, 20 percent down is going to leave alot of vacant houses! And guess what- you will be making up the difference in the tax deficit! The homeowner cant afford it any more- it will be once again the wealthy and business!

Clearly there has to be a better way!

[tiredoftheBS]

Private Business is hoarding. the rich are hoarding. The Middle class is being reeled in to the poor. Thats Socialism.

This sounds like capitalism to me. Its not socialism.

You forget- unlike the soviet or france- we have the resources!

The real difference between us and them is we could pull it off with the right leaders. The real test will be sacrifice, Im game- are you?

[UnregisteredObserver]

Well- clearly those are some pretty shiny pearls. Even Im not that big of an asshole to see how damaging this is.

But this is certainly not the first time a politician has made damaging remarks for his party- "weapons of mass destruction, no child left behind....and he has a long list!)

But it does bring up some interesting questions. Anybody know the percentage of failed loans that were the 3 percent kind? What about the people who owned them. I have heard that a lot of the foreclosures out east are actually second homes that the wannabe wealthy simply could no longer afford or deal with. The advice they are given- walk away- let it foreclose.

The 3 foreclosures in my neighborhood were the result of layoffs. they simply could not find a job that equaled what they were earning.

Most people that I am aware of having trouble simply are being out taxed. My mortgage payment goes up 200 in Sept. This will hurt.

And what about success stories. How many people actually pulled it off and became homeowners because of the 3 percent down??

Its funny how nobody yet seems to know these answers!

In the end- with 50 percent of the tax payers making less than 50,000 a year and the average home going for around 300,000, 20 percent down is going to leave alot of vacant houses! And guess what- you will be making up the difference in the tax deficit! The homeowner cant afford it any more- it will be once again the wealthy and business!

Clearly there has to be a better way!

You are correct, many of the mortgages in default are 2nd home, or high price homes, but once the government pushed no down payment loans, to push home ownership for "all" they opened Pandoras box. Canada had their housing bubble in the 90's, switched to 20% downpayment for all, and had no problem with this last downturn. It is the Democrat principle to the less advantaged, noble perhaps, but they go about it all wrong. Taking from the rich to hand out to others just doesn't work. Find incentives to create more jobs, where if someone works hard they can succeed too, that would have better success and be less divisive between classes. Figure out a way to take money out of governments hands and get it into peoples hands who will work hard for it, give incentives to work hard. That at one time was the American way.

[Unregisteredisee]

Barney circa 2005



Transcript:

I think we have an excessive degree of concern right now about home ownership and its role in the economy. Obviously, speculation is never a good thing. But those who argue that housing prices are now at the point of a bubble seem to me to missing a very important point. Unlike previous examples we have had, where substantial excessive inflation of prices later caused some problems, we are talking here about an entity — home ownership, homes — where there is not the degree of leverage we have seen elsewhere. This is not the dot-com situation; we have problems with people having invested in business plans for which there was no reality. People building fiber-optic cable for which there was no need. Homes that are occupied may see an ebb and flow in the price at a certain percentage level, but you’re not going to see the collapse that you see when people talk about a bubble. And so, those of us on our committee in particular, will continue to push for home ownership.
-- Barney Frank, House Floor, 2005

Yes, now I see. Barney Frank was Grand Emperor of the United States from 2000-2008, unilaterally making every decision affecting everything. Stop the nonsense, will ya? The repubs were in power, remember? Which means that Frank wasn't even chairman of his own committee. A republican was. And what was he doing or saying? Do you even know? And you do know that it was Phil Gramm who overturned Glass-Steagall, right (section 208)? And what did Barney Frank have to do with Goldman Sachs betting against the housing market? Or AIG not knowing what it was insuring? Or the collapse of Countrywide? Or Bear Stearns or Lehman Brothers? Oh, but somehow Frank had supreme power to singlehandedly destroy the economy. This is such conservative revisionist junk. And you get stupid and gullible people to buy into your crap.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Yes, now I see. Barney Frank was Grand Emperor of the United States from 2000-2008, unilaterally making every decision affecting everything. Stop the nonsense, will ya? The repubs were in power, remember? Which means that Frank wasn't even chairman of his own committee. A republican was. And what was he doing or saying? Do you even know? And you do know that it was Phil Gramm who overturned Glass-Steagall, right (section 208)? And what did Barney Frank have to do with Goldman Sachs betting against the housing market? Or AIG not knowing what it was insuring? Or the collapse of Countrywide? Or Bear Stearns or Lehman Brothers? Oh, but somehow Frank had supreme power to singlehandedly destroy the economy. This is such conservative revisionist junk. And you get stupid and gullible people to buy into your crap.

The original push for a house in every pot (it once was a chicken) began in the 90's under Clinton. BArney pushed that agenda relentlessly, it was his "muse", so to speak. Politics is horse trading, Republicans from 2000 to 2006 wnated to dry up the cheap uncollateralized mortgages, Franks comments in 2005 showed his position, NO, lets roll the dice, I see no harm. For Barneys cooperation with their legislation, they had to leave housing alone.
Now we get into Banking. Without the Federal push for mortgages, there would not have been a mountain of bad loans. It was some wise banker , having to write shaky loans, agreed with the Feds to write more, only if Fannirand Freddie Mac would buy them, thus was born derivatives.
Not revisionist, just facts, however inconvenient they may be for you. If we kept mortgages collateralized with 20% down this whole mess would never have happened.

[Untilthen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwsWN0XkQM&feature=player_embedded

[Unregisteredcorrection]

The original push for a house in every pot (it once was a chicken) began in the 90's under Clinton. BArney pushed that agenda relentlessly, it was his "muse", so to speak. Politics is horse trading, Republicans from 2000 to 2006 wnated to dry up the cheap uncollateralized mortgages, Franks comments in 2005 showed his position, NO, lets roll the dice, I see no harm. For Barneys cooperation with their legislation, they had to leave housing alone.
Now we get into Banking. Without the Federal push for mortgages, there would not have been a mountain of bad loans. It was some wise banker , having to write shaky loans, agreed with the Feds to write more, only if Fannirand Freddie Mac would buy them, thus was born derivatives.
Not revisionist, just facts, however inconvenient they may be for you. If we kept mortgages collateralized with 20% down this whole mess would never have happened.

You are so ignorant I harldy know where to begin. First: CORRECTION: You obviously meant BUSH pushed his "Ownership Society" program. Second, I'll bet you couldn't even describe what a collateralized debt obligation is. Finally, again, Barney Frank wasn't even chairman of his own committee, so you're lying about the amount of power he had. But you need to lie so you can push your useless agenda. Sorry to correct you little boy, but leave the facts to the grownups.

[UnregisteredObserver]

You are so ignorant I harldy know where to begin. First: CORRECTION: You obviously meant BUSH pushed his "Ownership Society" program. Second, I'll bet you couldn't even describe what a collateralized debt obligation is. Finally, again, Barney Frank wasn't even chairman of his own committee, so you're lying about the amount of power he had. But you need to lie so you can push your useless agenda. Sorry to correct you little boy, but leave the facts to the grownups.

Even Barney gave it up and admitted his Fannie and Freddie mortgage program was a bust, but the grass root lefties will choke on it before they admit their whole philosphical approach took us down!

A ownership society is there for those who earn it through hard work, sacrifice and savings. The democrat version is to have ownership given to many and hope they can make it.

Big difference

[rumorsinthewind]

Rumors are that legends of acorn and union people from New York city will be brought in by bus to assist Bishop and Israel in their re election bids.

Hard to get usual rank and file dems geared up for this fight so the radicals from outside Suffolk must be brought in.

[tiredoftheBS]

Rumors are that legends of acorn and union people from New York city will be brought in by bus to assist Bishop and Israel in their re election bids.

Hard to get usual rank and file dems geared up for this fight so the radicals from outside Suffolk must be brought in.

Thats nonsense. Look at the fan base in thier facebook pages. Bishop has the lead- he will win again. Besides- have you seen this- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HuF_sx800

Good bye Randy!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Thats nonsense. Look at the fan base in thier facebook pages. Bishop has the lead- he will win again. Besides- have you seen this- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HuF_sx800

Good bye Randy!

Bye bye Timmy

Anyone who voted lockstep with Speaker Pelosi will get shown the door.
When the Dem's do not have the majority she will no longer be Speaker, and the reign of Terror will begin to subside. The eye of Sauron (The Obama)
and the 2 Towers (Reid and Pelosi must be taken down.)

Our little Hobbitts (Tea Party) have ventured forth from their shire, against their normal nature, because of the mess of the world. The Tea Party (Our little Hobbitts) came into existence only because our shire has been turned upside down, nothing is growing there are no green shoots. Even little Hobbitts finally say enough and venture forth into the realm of politics, and thus was born the Tea Party.
The sad part is the vile mud slung accusations tossed at all who oppose the 2 towers and the ONE. They must be racist!. Those under the evil spell of Sauron cannot believe anyone could possibly oppose their master and their ways, therefore they must be racist. This clarion call of racism further united and strenghened the little Hobbits, for they knew for their opposition to cavalierly toss out the race card, it is the opposition that is blind , and our Hobbits just became more resolved. The first episode will conclude in November, and I believe all the Hobbits of the shire will rise up and vote that day, and that day will be long remembered , for when the Hobbits stood thier ground against Sauron and the 2 Towers!

[TiredoftheBS]

Bye bye Timmy

Anyone who voted lockstep with Speaker Pelosi will get shown the door.
When the Dem's do not have the majority she will no longer be Speaker, and the reign of Terror will begin to subside. The eye of Sauron (The Obama)
and the 2 Towers (Reid and Pelosi must be taken down.)

Our little Hobbitts (Tea Party) have ventured forth from their shire, against their normal nature, because of the mess of the world. The Tea Party (Our little Hobbitts) came into existence only because our shire has been turned upside down, nothing is growing there are no green shoots. Even little Hobbitts finally say enough and venture forth into the realm of politics, and thus was born the Tea Party.
The sad part is the vile mud slung accusations tossed at all who oppose the 2 towers and the ONE. They must be racist!. Those under the evil spell of Sauron cannot believe anyone could possibly oppose their master and their ways, therefore they must be racist. This clarion call of racism further united and strenghened the little Hobbits, for they knew for their opposition to cavalierly toss out the race card, it is the opposition that is blind , and our Hobbits just became more resolved. The first episode will conclude in November, and I believe all the Hobbits of the shire will rise up and vote that day, and that day will be long remembered , for when the Hobbits stood thier ground against Sauron and the 2 Towers!

WTF? Dude- you need to take a break from video games! Get a life!

[UnregisteredObserver]

WTF? Dude- you need to take a break from video games! Get a life!

Nah, Its not a video game, I read the Tolkein books long ago and thoroughly enjoyed the movie adaption, was pleasantly suprised actually.

If I remember correctly the books were often equated to the Allies joining forces against the Evil Axis of WW2.

[littlepeople]

Nah, Its not a video game, I read the Tolkein books long ago and thoroughly enjoyed the movie adaption, was pleasantly suprised actually.

If I remember correctly the books were often equated to the Allies joining forces against the Evil Axis of WW2.

Same can be said again with the American people against socialists and Islamists

[Unlittlepeople]

Same can be said again with the American people against socialists and Islamists

When you say little people, are you referring to your IQ?

[tiredoftheBS]

Same can be said again with the American people against socialists and Islamists

Americans arent against socialism. Just tell the union workers they no longer have their socialist unions! The fact is americans cant wait till we move forward and realize the inevitable. Only a fool or the wealthy dont want to see it happen.

And as far as Islamic- most Americans could care less. Again- only the ignorant sees a mosque as a threat. We have way too many problems to discuss than some ones beliefs or place of worship. This is just republican crap to get you to take your eye off the ball while they try and by their seats this Novemeber!.

[Unregisteredwhoa]

Americans arent against socialism. Just tell the union workers they no longer have their socialist unions! The fact is americans cant wait till we move forward and realize the inevitable. Only a fool or the wealthy dont want to see it happen.

And as far as Islamic- most Americans could care less. Again- only the ignorant sees a mosque as a threat. We have way too many problems to discuss than some ones beliefs or place of worship. This is just republican crap to get you to take your eye off the ball while they try and by their seats this Novemeber!.


Scary. I certainly hope Americans are agaisnt Socialism, though it seems 1/2 might not be as they have their hands out for entitlements. Socialism FAILS everywhere it is tried. Get it. learn your History please.

Socialism gives out fishes, Capitalism MAKES you fish.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Americans arent against socialism. Just tell the union workers they no longer have their socialist unions! The fact is americans cant wait till we move forward and realize the inevitable. Only a fool or the wealthy dont want to see it happen.

And as far as Islamic- most Americans could care less. Again- only the ignorant sees a mosque as a threat. We have way too many problems to discuss than some ones beliefs or place of worship. This is just republican crap to get you to take your eye off the ball while they try and by their seats this Novemeber!.

Unions served their purpose up to 1960 or so. They then became a drag on the corporate balance sheet. Unions forced corporations to pay a livable wage and created safe working conditions. Now unions fight for the right to j7j7j7j7j7j7 (Teachers Union) , have bankrupt the auto industry. The US taxpayer is now paying the retirement and health benefits for the auto industry otherwise the companies would collapse. That was part of the bailout. State and local government budgets are fast sinking due to unmangable retiremnet pensions set up by the unions. The joke is many retired union members then leave the state to retire in a state with significantly less taxation. A good idea at one time, Unions , like Icarus, did not heed caution, flew too high and caused their own demise.

The mosque is not a threat, and no one looks at it like that. It is a clarion call emanating from the gut of most Americans that they show a little respect for those killed in the name of Islam and their hurting family and friends. If it is true the goal is to promote tolerance the first step would be to move the mosque further away.

[TIREDoftheBS]

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus bill put between 1.4 million and 3.3 million Americans back to work during the second quarter of this year. The bill -- formally known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act -- also raised the GDP by as much as 4.5%. Read more in the Wall Street Journal- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703447004575450152495002646.html?m od=googlenews_wsj#printMode

[Unregisteredunbelievable]

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus bill put between 1.4 million and 3.3 million Americans back to work during the second quarter of this year. The bill -- formally known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act -- also raised the GDP by as much as 4.5%. Read more in the Wall Street Journal- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703447004575450152495002646.html?m od=googlenews_wsj#printMode

Old tiredbs must be Joe Biden hahaha

Biden is leading the Obama's Summer of Recovery hahaha

The Taliban says we either build the Mosque now near the WTC or else they will increase their recruitment drive of terrorists if the Mosque isn't built.

Pretty scary how the aims of the left and militant Islam are very much the same. Blame America. When bad things happen it's always America's fault.

The left will get a reckoning this election.

[tiredoftheBS]

Old tiredbs must be Joe Biden hahaha

Biden is leading the Obama's Summer of Recovery hahaha

The Taliban says we either build the Mosque now near the WTC or else they will increase their recruitment drive of terrorists if the Mosque isn't built.

Pretty scary how the aims of the left and militant Islam are very much the same. Blame America. When bad things happen it's always America's fault.

The left will get a reckoning this election.

"The Taliban says .........", right- the Taliban saids that!

I think I heard that was a feature article in White Supremacy Digest. Funny thing is- I didnt even think you conservatists could read anything other than your bank statements.

I think your going to be pretty disappointed in November. Clearly your one of those guys that said a black man would never be president!

[Unregi]

"The Taliban says .........", right- the Taliban saids that!

I think I heard that was a feature article in White Supremacy Digest. Funny thing is- I didnt even think you conservatists could read anything other than your bank statements.

I think your going to be pretty disappointed in November. Clearly your one of those guys that said a black man would never be president!

Actually no, it was in Newsweek and the Washington Post.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/08/report_taliban_using_mosque_co.html

[TiredoftheBS]

Actually no, it was in Newsweek and the Washington Post.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/08/report_taliban_using_mosque_co.html

lol- please........."a Taliban operative named Zabihullah told the weekly", Im sure its very authoritative. But than again- it wont be the first time the republicans make up the shit as they go.

[Unregi]

lol- please........."a Taliban operative named Zabihullah told the weekly", Im sure its very authoritative. But than again- it wont be the first time the republicans make up the shit as they go.

Over 80% of political donations from the newsmedia are for the Democrats, they only carry water for the Democrats, but everyone expects that now and filters the news accordingly.

Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

President Obama received 710 such contributions worth a total of $461,898, for an average contribution of $651 from the network employees. Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain received only 39 contributions totaling $26,926, for an average donation of $709.

[Guest1275]

Well Oreilly said his went up 2100 dollars. Hopefully everyone will get their statements prior to the midterms so we can get this bums out of office.

Yeah- this way us "Libertarians" can spend more money to subsidize your health care.

Hey.....wait a minute!

[tireDoftheBS]

Over 80% of political donations from the newsmedia are for the Democrats, they only carry water for the Democrats, but everyone expects that now and filters the news accordingly.

Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

President Obama received 710 such contributions worth a total of $461,898, for an average contribution of $651 from the network employees. Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain received only 39 contributions totaling $26,926, for an average donation of $709.


So what does this tell us- there are more Dems in American than Republicans? Im not sure what your point is here?

[Unregi]

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Originally Posted by Unregi
Over 80% of political donations from the newsmedia are for the Democrats, they only carry water for the Democrats, but everyone expects that now and filters the news accordingly.

Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

President Obama received 710 such contributions worth a total of $461,898, for an average contribution of $651 from the network employees. Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain received only 39 contributions totaling $26,926, for an average donation of $709.


So what does this tell us- there are more Dems in American than Republicans? Im not sure what your point is here?

All the people working for network and print media donated to Democrats.
The people presenting the "news" to us are all Democrat, Murdoch had a stroke of genuis when he designed Fox News, all the other news networks will fight over the liberal viewership while Fox has the conservative viewers all to themselves. Before Fox it was only Liberal news as they want to present it.

[tiredoftheBS]

"...Murdoch had a stroke of genuis when he designed Fox News, all the other news networks will fight over the liberal viewership while Fox has the conservative viewers all to themselves."

lol- well that certainly is the best explanation I have heard to as why the conservative party are so narrow minded!

[GetActive]

OK, so Steve Israel has not voted in your best interest!!!!!!!
No Surprise!
He voted with the Pelosi/Reid block 98.7 percent of the time!

We have a chance to vote him OUT this November.

Please take a look at John Gomez.

True Conservative, willing to take YOUR best interest to Washington.
If you don't vote you can have nothing to complain about.

https://www.gomez2010.com/default/index.cfm

[tiredoftheBS]

OK, so Steve Israel has not voted in your best interest!!!!!!!
No Surprise!
He voted with the Pelosi/Reid block 98.7 percent of the time!

We have a chance to vote him OUT this November.

Please take a look at John Gomez.

True Conservative, willing to take YOUR best interest to Washington.
If you don't vote you can have nothing to complain about.

https://www.gomez2010.com/default/index.cfm

Oh yeah- heres the winning ticket!

Cut Spending
Cut Taxes
Cut Regulation
Strengthen our National Defense

We have been doing this for that last 20 years! And look wheres its taken us!!

[Unregisteredlollol]

Oh yeah- heres the winning ticket!

Cut Spending
Cut Taxes
Cut Regulation
Strengthen our National Defense

We have been doing this for that last 20 years! And look wheres its taken us!!

bs you've forgotten already

in the last 20 yrs 10yrs were Dems in the whitehouse lol

[Itsallbushesfault]

OK, so Steve Israel has not voted in your best interest!!!!!!!
No Surprise!
He voted with the Pelosi/Reid block 98.7 percent of the time!

We have a chance to vote him OUT this November.

Please take a look at John Gomez.

True Conservative, willing to take YOUR best interest to Washington.
If you don't vote you can have nothing to complain about.

https://www.gomez2010.com/default/index.cfm

This guy is 1st generation American, silver spooned prep geek who never served in the Military who is just a business owner, who by the way has made millions with the last Administration.

Now feels its time to stop the "spending", he's just another hack that the republicans sweeten up to run for his "hispanic" name. Another clown taking about how the current administration is wasting money, when the last bozo was spending money our kids, grand kids will have to pay so that he could avenge his dad screw up in Gulf war 1.

[Untilthen]

This guy is 1st generation American, silver spooned prep geek who never served in the Military who is just a business owner, who by the way has made millions with the last Administration.

Now feels its time to stop the "spending", he's just another hack that the republicans sweeten up to run for his "hispanic" name. Another clown taking about how the current administration is wasting money, when the last bozo was spending money our kids, grand kids will have to pay so that he could avenge his dad screw up in Gulf war 1.

Thats all right, he is still better than the other guy, and we only get 2 choices,

Gomez it is,
And for the record. I take Bush over Obama, hands down

[Unregistereddemocrat]

Thats all right, he is still better than the other guy, and we only get 2 choices,

Gomez it is,
And for the record. I take Bush over Obama, hands down

Bush wins over Obama in the polls

Steve Israel is a puppet of Obama and Pelosi thats indisputable

The closest Steve Israel has come to serving in the military is getting photo-ops at Farmingdale Republic Air Museum

[Unregisteredblue]

Bush wins over Obama in the polls

Steve Israel is a puppet of Obama and Pelosi thats indisputable

The closest Steve Israel has come to serving in the military is getting photo-ops at Farmingdale Republic Air Museum

Bush was quite simply the worst president in American history. You can't even rationally dispute that.

[Iron Cross]

Bush was quite simply the worst president in American history. You can't even rationally dispute that.

In your dreams maybe. Now we have the worst "thing" in the big house.
bammy the muslim luving traitor

[Untilthen]

Bush was quite simply the worst president in American history. You can't even rationally dispute that.

Don't think so, time will favor George W, and I fear time will not be an ally of The Obama.

Won't know the answers to these for 20 to 30 years minimum.

[Unregisteredblue]

In your dreams maybe. Now we have the worst "thing" in the big house.
bammy the muslim luving traitor

Bushboy batted .000 on national security and .000 on the economy. That was easy. Next?

[hgf]

Bushboy batted .000 on national security and .000 on the economy. That was easy. Next?

well where does that put Bill Clinton and Obama ?

Bill destroyed our intelligence agencies

Obama has more in common with Marx than with Kennedy

and is a boot licker of Islamic fascists

it's no wonder in a recent poll Bush beats Obama for president by 15 points

[Unregistered!!!]

In your dreams maybe. Now we have the worst "thing" in the big house.
bammy the muslim luving traitor

You should be charged with treason and punished accordingly. I'm serious.

[Unregisteredufool]

well where does that put Bill Clinton and Obama ?



Well ahead of Bush. Light years ahead of Bush. Bush destroyed America. Period. And you're an accomplice for voting him in. That makes you a traitor.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Well ahead of Bush. Light years ahead of Bush. Bush destroyed America. Period. And you're an accomplice for voting him in. That makes you a traitor.

No, the press vilified Bush unmercilessy, so much that The Obama was able to get elected, and no one actually knew what The Obama stood for. If you searched hard you would find actual quotes to find out what The Obama actually wanted for this country
Bitterly clinging to their guns and religion...A large swath of America still loves their religion and their guns

The Obama was not happy with the original Constitution as written, he complained it only states what the government cannot do, The Obama wants the governmemnt to do everything and anything, for the government knows best , especially more than those bitterly clinging ones....

America is being destroyed piece by piece by The Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

It can be stopped in November, the revolution has already begun, The seconfd Boston MAssacre, when Massachussetts elected Scott Brown to replace the "liberal lion" Teddy, was a signal, the resecond revolution has begun, and again in the place where it originnally started, where Americans decided they did not want any king or government ruling their life,

The time is ours, let the revolution begin!!!!!!!!

[Unregisteredufool]

No, the press vilified Bush unmercilessy, so much that The Obama was able to get elected, and no one actually knew what The Obama stood for. If you searched hard you would find actual quotes to find out what The Obama actually wanted for this country
Bitterly clinging to their guns and religion...A large swath of America still loves their religion and their guns

The Obama was not happy with the original Constitution as written, he complained it only states what the government cannot do, The Obama wants the governmemnt to do everything and anything, for the government knows best , especially more than those bitterly clinging ones....

America is being destroyed piece by piece by The Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

It can be stopped in November, the revolution has already begun, The seconfd Boston MAssacre, when Massachussetts elected Scott Brown to replace the "liberal lion" Teddy, was a signal, the resecond revolution has begun, and again in the place where it originnally started, where Americans decided they did not want any king or government ruling their life,

The time is ours, let the revolution begin!!!!!!!!

Wrong, but thanks for playing. In case you've ever read the Constitution for the most part what it says is what the government cannot do. That's just and obvious fact. And the press vilified Bush??? Please, they just stated the obvious - the guy sucked, in case you were asleep. So try to educate yourself and if you do you will realize America fell apart when republicans were in charge. Don't let it happen again.

[you have too]

Wrong, but thanks for playing. In case you've ever read the Constitution for the most part what it says is what the government cannot do. That's just and obvious fact. And the press vilified Bush??? Please, they just stated the obvious - the guy sucked, in case you were asleep. So try to educate yourself and if you do you will realize America fell apart when republicans were in charge. Don't let it happen again.

you need to get rid of all the illegals

[UnregisteredObserver]

Wrong, but thanks for playing. In case you've ever read the Constitution for the most part what it says is what the government cannot do. That's just and obvious fact. And the press vilified Bush??? Please, they just stated the obvious - the guy sucked, in case you were asleep. So try to educate yourself and if you do you will realize America fell apart when republicans were in charge. Don't let it happen again.

The Obama got a free pass from his buddies in the left wing press, they went after Georgie like demons possessed, thus became BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome..it rained today, Bush's fault, the economy sucks, Bush's fault..The Obamas and the Dem's cure for the economy, Govt spending is not and will not work, Economy sucks due to the housing bubble bursting, thank you Barney Frank, as to the Constitution. listen for yourself...

And learn before its too late.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUWpLnS63M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

[Unregisteredkeepcrying]

The Obama got a free pass from his buddies in the left wing press, they went after Georgie like demons possessed, thus became BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome..it rained today, Bush's fault, the economy sucks, Bush's fault..The Obamas and the Dem's cure for the economy, Govt spending is not and will not work, Economy sucks due to the housing bubble bursting, thank you Barney Frank, as to the Constitution. listen for yourself...

And learn before its too late.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUWpLnS63M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

They went after Bush - waahhhh - the press doesn't like republicans - waahhhh - I love Bush - wahhhhh!!!! Instead of wetting your panties, why not face up to the facts?? Bush screwed America. Do I need to go over it again? It's why your party got stomped in 2006 and 2008. You'll make up some of those gains this November, not all. Face it, this country was driven into the ditch by republicans. Doesn't take long to fall into a ditch, but it does take a while to dig out. Obama has the thankless job of cleaning up after an embarrassing disaster.

[registeredAlert]

They went after Bush - waahhhh - the press doesn't like republicans - waahhhh - I love Bush - wahhhhh!!!! Instead of wetting your panties, why not face up to the facts?? Bush screwed America. Do I need to go over it again? It's why your party got stomped in 2006 and 2008. You'll make up some of those gains this November, not all. Face it, this country was driven into the ditch by republicans. Doesn't take long to fall into a ditch, but it does take a while to dig out. Obama has the thankless job of cleaning up after an embarrassing disaster.

No buddy boy, there is no crying in politics! Nobody is whining, we just see the facts , what happened and will not let it happen again. The press will always favor democrats , a given. But 2 years of Democrat rule has ignited the flame of revolution across the nation, a election of unprecedented proportions will take place, and the world will be righted once again.

See the clips, the Obama doesn't respect our Constitution, and it will be his undoing.

[Unregisteredkeepcrying]

No buddy boy, there is no crying in politics! Nobody is whining, we just see the facts , what happened and will not let it happen again. The press will always favor democrats , a given. But 2 years of Democrat rule has ignited the flame of revolution across the nation, a election of unprecedented proportions will take place, and the world will be righted once again.

See the clips, the Obama doesn't respect our Constitution, and it will be his undoing.

"Unprecedented proportions" - how do you figure?

[registeredAlert]

"Unprecedented proportions" - how do you figure?

If all goes as it is trending, with no October suprises, looking at a 70 seat change in House , 10 or 11 seat swing in the Senate , both Houses of Congress flip..
Will settle for 50 seats in House and a New Speaker, and 6 Senate seats for now, In 2012 the Democrats will have to defend approximately 3 times as many Senate seats, result of the 2006 election , and the Senate will flip then.
Once Pelosi is gone this radical agenda will stop, and real compromise must be done for any new laws to be passed, nothing shoved down our throat like Health Care again. If the Healthcare was popular and actually did lower the deficit you wouldn't see 50 or mor eDemocrat House members loosing their seat.

[Unregisteredsotyyyy]

They went after Bush - waahhhh - the press doesn't like republicans - waahhhh - I love Bush - wahhhhh!!!! Instead of wetting your panties, why not face up to the facts?? Bush screwed America. Do I need to go over it again? It's why your party got stomped in 2006 and 2008. You'll make up some of those gains this November, not all. Face it, this country was driven into the ditch by republicans. Doesn't take long to fall into a ditch, but it does take a while to dig out. Obama has the thankless job of cleaning up after an embarrassing disaster.


You know the DEMOcrats have had Congress, both HOUSES since 2006. So that would be 4 years of their rule, meaning they were in charge. Again, IMO its the housing bubble ( -Fannie Democrat May and -Freddy Liberal Mac ) where people who shouldnt own homes did and bled all that fake equity out causing the bust and actually over boom. But hey, Entitlements are good. Your poor 17 hr a work week per poor household living better then the rest of the world wants even MORE for nothing. Dont educate yourself. Sit back, and let somebody else work for you. When their dont taking the rich peoples money, middle class goes next. Hopefully then YOU. POOR people in America have it tooo GOOD. Sorry. GOTO work. Make your own money. YOU cant have a BMW and IPHONE and HUGE new house. YOU didnt earn it.

But hey, follow Europes lead. To utter Failure. Funny how even they are pulling away from Socialism. We are rushing to it. Shame watching our kids become 2nd rate thanks to the adults wanting it all for free.

[Unregistered4579]

If all goes as it is trending, with no October suprises, looking at a 70 seat change in House , 10 or 11 seat swing in the Senate , both Houses of Congress flip..
Will settle for 50 seats in House and a New Speaker, and 6 Senate seats for now, In 2012 the Democrats will have to defend approximately 3 times as many Senate seats, result of the 2006 election , and the Senate will flip then.
Once Pelosi is gone this radical agenda will stop, and real compromise must be done for any new laws to be passed, nothing shoved down our throat like Health Care again. If the Healthcare was popular and actually did lower the deficit you wouldn't see 50 or mor eDemocrat House members loosing their seat.

Whoa skippy, you're numbers might be a tad optimistic. You know as well as anyone the economy is driving the poll numbers. If unemployment is < 7% in two years then your pipe dream is over. In the meantime, you might regain the house, probably won't get the Senate and for the next 2 yrs you will have a president who will have every right to veto every single republican proposal.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Whoa skippy, you're numbers might be a tad optimistic. You know as well as anyone the economy is driving the poll numbers. If unemployment is < 7% in two years then your pipe dream is over. In the meantime, you might regain the house, probably won't get the Senate and for the next 2 yrs you will have a president who will have every right to veto every single republican proposal.

When the tsunami approaches, RUN LIKE HELL.
As are all Democrats right now, running so far away from the President, in fact not 1 Democrat is running campaign ads proudly proclaiming how they forced health care down our throats, their greatest achievement. In fact you have some Democrats running ads prouudly proclaiming that they voted against the health care bill.
Oh yeah, thats a real good bill we got saddled with

[CHEEKIE]

Whoa skippy, you're numbers might be a tad optimistic. You know as well as anyone the economy is driving the poll numbers. If unemployment is < 7% in two years then your pipe dream is over. In the meantime, you might regain the house, probably won't get the Senate and for the next 2 yrs you will have a president who will have every right to veto every single republican proposal.

There you go again.Republicans vs Democrats! By now you all should have realized that we are responsible for our own destiny. We have to do some research. Study your choices BEFORE we vote. Get involved! Do NOT sit and watch TV ads and think your making informed decisions. Let us hope some people are awakened and will be more enlightened. If it looks to good to be true....well probably Not so good. We the people are responsible for our own destiny...not the Rep or Dem.

[tiredoftheBS]

When the tsunami approaches, RUN LIKE HELL.
As are all Democrats right now, running so far away from the President, in fact not 1 Democrat is running campaign ads proudly proclaiming how they forced health care down our throats, their greatest achievement. In fact you have some Democrats running ads prouudly proclaiming that they voted against the health care bill.
Oh yeah, thats a real good bill we got saddled with

Rubbish. Let me ask you folks something- specifically- whats wrong with the new health care program? And please dont shoot off about what you heard may be wrong. I still havnt even heard how much the fine will be for not carrying health insurance- other than speculation!

[Happy Gilmore]

When the tsunami approaches, RUN LIKE HELL.
As are all Democrats right now, running so far away from the President, in fact not 1 Democrat is running campaign ads proudly proclaiming how they forced health care down our throats, their greatest achievement. In fact you have some Democrats running ads prouudly proclaiming that they voted against the health care bill.
Oh yeah, thats a real good bill we got saddled with

WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN IT IS ADDED TO YOUR SALARY AND YOU PAY ALL THOSE EXTRA TAXES.

[tiredoftheBS]

WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN IT IS ADDED TO YOUR SALARY AND YOU PAY ALL THOSE EXTRA TAXES.

Right- your getting over 27,000 dollars in healthcare benefits!- You should be paying taxes on it!!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Rubbish. Let me ask you folks something- specifically- whats wrong with the new health care program? And please dont shoot off about what you heard may be wrong. I still havnt even heard how much the fine will be for not carrying health insurance- other than speculation!

As opposed to what was advertised, general costs will be going up, this did not contain the "cost curve", as advertised.
There will be rationing, less availability to your preferred doctor, and Medicare and Medicaid, oh baby, the health care bill was passed based on the politicians claiming doctor reimbursement rates would be cut. Doctors are already refusing Medicaid as the reimbursement rate is too low. The proposed rate cuts, which made the bill deficit neutral, will NOT be enacted, basically they lied their balls off to pass this POS.
Oh, and finally, there will be a impending doctor shortage, there is no doctor encouraging their child to become a doctor, they do not want to work for the government, which is where this whole boondoggle is headed.

[Unregisteredokthen]

Right- your getting over 27,000 dollars in healthcare benefits!- You should be paying taxes on it!!

Ok then. You are getting all the free benefits YOU should be WORKING for them. Skippy skip.

[tiredoftheBS]

As opposed to what was advertised, general costs will be going up, this did not contain the "cost curve", as advertised.
There will be rationing, less availability to your preferred doctor, and Medicare and Medicaid, oh baby, the health care bill was passed based on the politicians claiming doctor reimbursement rates would be cut. Doctors are already refusing Medicaid as the reimbursement rate is too low. The proposed rate cuts, which made the bill deficit neutral, will NOT be enacted, basically they lied their balls off to pass this POS.
Oh, and finally, there will be a impending doctor shortage, there is no doctor encouraging their child to become a doctor, they do not want to work for the government, which is where this whole boondoggle is headed.

So basically you have no idea. Just spitting out the same old lies you have read about. I spoke to my doctor last week- hes taking medicaid. He said the rates are the same as they have always been. Perhaps your doctor has been ripping you and the insurance companies off for years. You folks are running out of lies. I cant wait for the election when the GOP loses again even bigger!

[tiredoftheBS]

Ok then. You are getting all the free benefits YOU should be WORKING for them. Skippy skip.

I work 50 hours a week in the private secter. I dont get healthcare.

[UnregisteredObserver]

So basically you have no idea. Just spitting out the same old lies you have read about. I spoke to my doctor last week- hes taking medicaid. He said the rates are the same as they have always been. Perhaps your doctor has been ripping you and the insurance companies off for years. You folks are running out of lies. I cant wait for the election when the GOP loses again even bigger!

I hat having to give reading comprehension classes but find I need to do so quire often here. Hmm, I also notice that is the only point you addressed, albeit inaccurately.

Now s..l...o...w...l...y
Democrats promised this bill would be deficit neutral, follow? To do so, the placed in the bill a PROMISE to cut Medicare ,Medicaid payment rates to doctors to make the bill deficit neutral. They have used this premise before, but Never cut the actual rates, doctors already are screaming bloody murder that medicare and medicaid payment rates are too low already. So this bill , passed on the premise it will not increase our deficit, was a outright LIE. Shocked I am, that politicians would lie to me, but when they do , I automatically vote them out. They had no intention of cutting the doctors payment rate, but they promised they would to fudge the budget numbers.

I see what my doctor collects when I get my health statements from the provider, that doesn't effect me. everything else I stated is also true

There will be rationing, less availability to your preferred doctor, and Medicare and Medicaid, oh baby, the health care bill was passed based on the politicians claiming doctor reimbursement rates would be cut. Doctors are already refusing Medicaid as the reimbursement rate is too low. The proposed rate cuts, which made the bill deficit neutral, will NOT be enacted, basically they lied their balls off to pass this POS.
Oh, and finally, there will be a impending doctor shortage, there is no doctor encouraging their child to become a doctor, they do not want to work for the government, which is where this whole boondoggle is headed.

[tiredoftheBS]

I hat having to give reading comprehension classes but find I need to do so quire often here. Hmm, I also notice that is the only point you addressed, albeit inaccurately.

Now s..l...o...w...l...y
Democrats promised this bill would be deficit neutral, follow? To do so, the placed in the bill a PROMISE to cut Medicare ,Medicaid payment rates to doctors to make the bill deficit neutral. They have used this premise before, but Never cut the actual rates, doctors already are screaming bloody murder that medicare and medicaid payment rates are too low already. So this bill , passed on the premise it will not increase our deficit, was a outright LIE. Shocked I am, that politicians would lie to me, but when they do , I automatically vote them out. They had no intention of cutting the doctors payment rate, but they promised they would to fudge the budget numbers.

I see what my doctor collects when I get my health statements from the provider, that doesn't effect me. everything else I stated is also true

There will be rationing, less availability to your preferred doctor, and Medicare and Medicaid, oh baby, the health care bill was passed based on the politicians claiming doctor reimbursement rates would be cut. Doctors are already refusing Medicaid as the reimbursement rate is too low. The proposed rate cuts, which made the bill deficit neutral, will NOT be enacted, basically they lied their balls off to pass this POS.
Oh, and finally, there will be a impending doctor shortage, there is no doctor encouraging their child to become a doctor, they do not want to work for the government, which is where this whole boondoggle is headed.

So dont. Most people are well aware of the lies you are spreading. The fact of the matter is most honest GP's welcome universal healthcare. It will streamline thier paper work and add to their bottom lines. Yes- its true- Dr.'s with names ending with berg and stein will be replaced with names like Sing and Yang- but thats life. Look- post your dr's phone number- I would very much like to hear your claims from the horses mouth- not some rag or obscure editorial you had read.

Change is coming- Americas fortunate wont be as fortunate. Still a pretty good life- but not add the cost of those who have worked to make it happen.

[Unregisterednotbe]

I work 50 hours a week in the private secter. I dont get healthcare.

Not being an arse. As what?

[UnregisteredObserver]

So dont. Most people are well aware of the lies you are spreading. The fact of the matter is most honest GP's welcome universal healthcare. It will streamline thier paper work and add to their bottom lines. Yes- its true- Dr.'s with names ending with berg and stein will be replaced with names like Sing and Yang- but thats life. Look- post your dr's phone number- I would very much like to hear your claims from the horses mouth- not some rag or obscure editorial you had read.

Change is coming- Americas fortunate wont be as fortunate. Still a pretty good life- but not add the cost of those who have worked to make it happen.

If the bill was a good one, Democrat politicians would shout it out in every campaign ad, except they have been told don't talk about health care in their campaign.
At least five House Democrats are running ads bragging about their votes against Obamacare. Surveys of ads run by candidates indicate that no Democrat has run an ad bragging about the health-care bill

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129746071

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iCs08Khy15jLwNozWb1RVTSLXIjwD9I4G0PG1

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/health-care/4502-doctors-prescribe-obamacare-repeal

[Unregisteredpollexpert]

JOHN GOMEZ - 55%

Steve Israel - 45%

[UnregisteredObserver]

JOHN GOMEZ - 55%

Steve Israel - 45%

I wish, but have some doubts.

If this happens, it will be the Tsunami of all Tsunamis, a message will have been sent to Washington.
Use Democrat tactics against them

Vote early and Vote often!!!!!!

[passingthrough]

He helped pass the Obama healthcare plan which is a form of socialized medicine. He ignores the fact that he did so in all his political ads. He also has ignored that many many people have had their personal healthcare insurance premiums go up as high as 40% higher do to the coming higher costs for the healthcare industry. These insurance companies fear being driven out of business by the lower cost government healthcare plans so they are trying to make more money now before this all starts going into effect.

It's just the opposite of what congressman Israel said it would do when he passed the @#$%in bill. Did he read it like all the other Democrats ?

[Unregisteredwho?]

He helped pass the Obama healthcare plan which is a form of socialized medicine. He ignores the fact that he did so in all his political ads. He also has ignored that many many people have had their personal healthcare insurance premiums go up as high as 40% higher do to the coming higher costs for the healthcare industry. These insurance companies fear being driven out of business by the lower cost government healthcare plans so they are trying to make more money now before this all starts going into effect.

It's just the opposite of what congressman Israel said it would do when he passed the @#$%in bill. Did he read it like all the other Democrats ?

Exactly who's premiums increased 40%? Was it everybody?

[Unregisteredfan]

Survey Finds Jump in Health Insurance Cost for IndividualsBy REED ABELSON
Published: June 21, 2010
Even as the nation was debating whether to overhaul the health insurance market, people who were buying coverage on their own were experiencing sharp increases in the cost of their policies, according to a survey released Monday.

Related
A Health Insurer Pays More to Save (June 22, 2010)
Times Topic: Health Care ReformThose surveyed said they were faced with premium increases averaging 20 percent when they last sought to renew their coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit health policy research group, which conducted the survey in March and early April.

While some people switched to less expensive plans that offered less generous coverage, and others negotiated lower prices than their insurers initially requested, the people surveyed still reported an average increase of 13 percent on their health insurance costs.

Just how steep the increases have been in the market for individual insurance has been an open question since earlier this year, when Anthem Blue Cross tried to raise its rates by as much as 39 percent in California. The proposed increases were met with outrage from federal and state officials, but there was little information about how widespread such increases were in other parts of the country. Anthem, which is owned by WellPoint, one of the nation’s largest insurers, later withdrew its request to raise rates.

“The survey shows that the steep increases we have been reading about over the last several months are not just extreme cases,” said Drew Altman, the Kaiser foundation’s president and chief executive. He said the increases far outpaced those in the market for large employers buying coverage for their workers.

The findings also underscore the challenges that will continue to be faced by people in the individual market until changes under the new health care law go into effect in 2014, Mr. Altman said. About 14 million people under the age of 65 purchase their coverage in the individual market, according to Kaiser.

Health insurers say any rate increases reflect the rapid growth in the underlying cost of medical care. “The data show premiums track the underlying cost of health care,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade association in Washington.

But the survey also provided a glimpse of what kind of coverage individuals are purchasing on their own. While people reported paying lower premiums than they would in a typical employer-provided plan, they also reported being in plans with much higher deductibles. While individuals reported paying average annual premiums of $3,606, according to the survey, they also reported an average deductible of nearly $2,500. One in four people report being in plans with an annual deductible of $5,000 or more.

Despite some of the well-publicized disputes between health insurers and state regulators over premium increases, there is little comprehensive information about the kinds of increases in rates individuals face when they buy insurance on their own. “We don’t have data on average premium increases,” said Mr. Zirkelbach, the industry spokesman, who noted the difficulty of tracking such information.

The survey was based on a random sample of 1,038 people who bought health insurance for themselves or for their families on their own. The survey’s margin of error was plus or minus four percentage points.

THIS WAS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES
IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE IT'S UP NEAR 40% FOR SOME POLICY HOLDERS THE CLOSER WE GET TO NEXT YEAR.

[realAlert]

We are doomed. This nation faces a most perilous future and we are ill prepared to face it. we elected a President with no experience whatsoever, he spent 2 years at each legislative position, never gaining experience as he was constantly campaigning for his next job. Now , there is no next job, he must produce, he must govern. and we find out he has no clue, and his advisors, all also have no experience, they are straight from academia.
We are at the tipping edge of the knife, we need real leadership to navigate a safe path through these times. Americans are out of work in unheard of numbers, and our leaders spend 18 months on a health bill that is ineffective and costly. People need jobs, it is now our time to put the right people in Congress, people who understand what our immediate priority is.
Hopefully , this November we can stem our slide into mediocrity as a country, for our sake, and yes, the sake of this world. whenever there is a worldwide need, it always comes down to the USA.

[Unregisteredif..]

Survey Finds Jump in Health Insurance Cost for IndividualsBy REED ABELSON
Published: June 21, 2010
Even as the nation was debating whether to overhaul the health insurance market, people who were buying coverage on their own were experiencing sharp increases in the cost of their policies, according to a survey released Monday.

Related
A Health Insurer Pays More to Save (June 22, 2010)
Times Topic: Health Care ReformThose surveyed said they were faced with premium increases averaging 20 percent when they last sought to renew their coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit health policy research group, which conducted the survey in March and early April.

While some people switched to less expensive plans that offered less generous coverage, and others negotiated lower prices than their insurers initially requested, the people surveyed still reported an average increase of 13 percent on their health insurance costs.

Just how steep the increases have been in the market for individual insurance has been an open question since earlier this year, when Anthem Blue Cross tried to raise its rates by as much as 39 percent in California. The proposed increases were met with outrage from federal and state officials, but there was little information about how widespread such increases were in other parts of the country. Anthem, which is owned by WellPoint, one of the nation’s largest insurers, later withdrew its request to raise rates.

“The survey shows that the steep increases we have been reading about over the last several months are not just extreme cases,” said Drew Altman, the Kaiser foundation’s president and chief executive. He said the increases far outpaced those in the market for large employers buying coverage for their workers.

The findings also underscore the challenges that will continue to be faced by people in the individual market until changes under the new health care law go into effect in 2014, Mr. Altman said. About 14 million people under the age of 65 purchase their coverage in the individual market, according to Kaiser.

Health insurers say any rate increases reflect the rapid growth in the underlying cost of medical care. “The data show premiums track the underlying cost of health care,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade association in Washington.

But the survey also provided a glimpse of what kind of coverage individuals are purchasing on their own. While people reported paying lower premiums than they would in a typical employer-provided plan, they also reported being in plans with much higher deductibles. While individuals reported paying average annual premiums of $3,606, according to the survey, they also reported an average deductible of nearly $2,500. One in four people report being in plans with an annual deductible of $5,000 or more.

Despite some of the well-publicized disputes between health insurers and state regulators over premium increases, there is little comprehensive information about the kinds of increases in rates individuals face when they buy insurance on their own. “We don’t have data on average premium increases,” said Mr. Zirkelbach, the industry spokesman, who noted the difficulty of tracking such information.

The survey was based on a random sample of 1,038 people who bought health insurance for themselves or for their families on their own. The survey’s margin of error was plus or minus four percentage points.

THIS WAS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES
IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE IT'S UP NEAR 40% FOR SOME POLICY HOLDERS THE CLOSER WE GET TO NEXT YEAR.

If you have an individual policy. And most won't see 40% increases. I thought the article made that clear.

[problem is]

We are doomed. This nation faces a most perilous future and we are ill prepared to face it. we elected a President with no experience whatsoever, he spent 2 years at each legislative position, never gaining experience as he was constantly campaigning for his next job. Now , there is no next job, he must produce, he must govern. and we find out he has no clue, and his advisors, all also have no experience, they are straight from academia.
We are at the tipping edge of the knife, we need real leadership to navigate a safe path through these times. Americans are out of work in unheard of numbers, and our leaders spend 18 months on a health bill that is ineffective and costly. People need jobs, it is now our time to put the right people in Congress, people who understand what our immediate priority is.
Hopefully , this November we can stem our slide into mediocrity as a country, for our sake, and yes, the sake of this world. whenever there is a worldwide need, it always comes down to the USA.

The problem is that the republicans are not the right people. We saw that in 2000-2006. You're right, we are doomed.

[realAlert]

The problem is that the republicans are not the right people. We saw that in 2000-2006. You're right, we are doomed.

You are right, Fiscal Conservatives are our best bet, with a moral fiber not afraid to be proud of America throughout the world.

Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels are 2 such examples. Leadership starts at the top, but the foundation will be set in November. Any politician, Dem or Repub that went along with these failed policies of the last 2 years that have kept our citizens unemployed shall be thrown out. Hopefully these changes cominf this November will not be too late for us or the world.

[tiredoftheBS]

You are right, Fiscal Conservatives are our best bet, with a moral fiber not afraid to be proud of America throughout the world.

Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels are 2 such examples. Leadership starts at the top, but the foundation will be set in November. Any politician, Dem or Repub that went along with these failed policies of the last 2 years that have kept our citizens unemployed shall be thrown out. Hopefully these changes cominf this November will not be too late for us or the world.

Why rock the boat? Why not give the new policies a chance? No matter which road you choose- there will be sacrifice. I really amazes me how so few of you folks really see whats going on.

[realAlert]

Why rock the boat? Why not give the new policies a chance? No matter which road you choose- there will be sacrifice. I really amazes me how so few of you folks really see whats going on.

Very simple, fiscal conservative is not what we just went through for the past 2 years, actually the prior 8 also. The Bush version of Republicanism spent too much also, but the last 2 years went over the top. Yes there will be sacrifice, our current path is unsustainable. Even Europe has come to realize that their way is unsustainable, they are in the midst of changing their pensions system for starters.

No, the lines are drawn in the sand, we will see where the sand lies in November

[Unregisteredyes]

With Obama care starting to kick in HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE RISING FAST

In order to make money before the dems healthcare plan gets into full speed healthcare insurers are raising their premiums

This is opposite of what Obama and politicians like Steve Israel and Tim Bishop said would happen. They said that government competition would lower healthcare costs.

SURPRISE IT DIDN'T.

[whats up doc]

With Obama care starting to kick in HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE RISING FAST

In order to make money before the dems healthcare plan gets into full speed healthcare insurers are raising their premiums

This is opposite of what Obama and politicians like Steve Israel and Tim Bishop said would happen. They said that government competition would lower healthcare costs.

SURPRISE IT DIDN'T.


http://renovomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/HealthCareExpensive_1-300x150.jpg

[UnregisteredObserver]

Why rock the boat? Why not give the new policies a chance? No matter which road you choose- there will be sacrifice. I really amazes me how so few of you folks really see whats going on.

Actually the helath care bill will be the Tea Party's best platform to run on in 2012, it will be the legislation that brings down The Obama. As Pelosi said, you have to pass it to see what is in it. We are just finding out. The insurance companies cannot afford all the new benefits, (prexisting conditions, children till 26, and more) at the same rate. Of course insurance had to go up. We will have a better view of the results of this debacle in 2012, it may just be the nail in The Obama's coffin. Run on your record baby, unlike the Democrats in Congress who are running against The Obama, he can't.

[UnObserver]

Actually the helath care bill will be the Tea Party's best platform to run on in 2012, it will be the legislation that brings down The Obama. As Pelosi said, you have to pass it to see what is in it. We are just finding out. The insurance companies cannot afford all the new benefits, (prexisting conditions, children till 26, and more) at the same rate. Of course insurance had to go up. We will have a better view of the results of this debacle in 2012, it may just be the nail in The Obama's coffin. Run on your record baby, unlike the Democrats in Congress who are running against The Obama, he can't.

Really? Who is the Tea Party running for president in 2012? Please say Palin. PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSE!

[UnregisteredObserver]

Really? Who is the Tea Party running for president in 2012? Please say Palin. PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSE!

Romney is a outside shot, tea party supporters will accept a electable nominee, ,unlike Delaware,
But there is a looong list and it is early.
pawlenty, barbour, Christie, Daniels, are all governors who, you know, have actually governed, as opposed to The Obama, before his coronation.
Thune, Pence in Congress are other options.
There is no shortage of capable leaders.

[Unregisteredbserver]

LOL- There is no math or logic to their view points. Its all about "me now" with no thought for the future. These are the same idiots who still think- lets give big tax breaks to biz and the wealthy. It dosnt matter that people can no longer afford to buy what biz is selling.

My only regret is Obama didnt do more in tearing down the system What we need is universal coverage. Everybody gets the same plan. If your a health care pro- use to making 7 figures- too bad. Now your making 5 figures. Dont like it- no problem- 20 doctors are waiting in the wings to fill your shoes!

ha ha. that is the biggest joke. doctors are leaving the field in droves. Overworked, lawsuits left and right...why didn't the dems provide tort relief?
Oh, I forgot, lawyers are all dems, cant cut off your fundraisers now.
That is why we have elections, you may vote for the Dems this November, but the warm and fuzzy feeling everyone had from electing the 1st black president is long gone, the young , happy students, the largest % of black voters ever, from 2008, will not be voting this November. Just like the tide, dems came in in 2008, and the the tide of 2010 will wash them out.

[Unregisteredlaff]

Romney is a outside shot, tea party supporters will accept a electable nominee, ,unlike Delaware,
But there is a looong list and it is early.
pawlenty, barbour, Christie, Daniels, are all governors who, you know, have actually governed, as opposed to The Obama, before his coronation.
Thune, Pence in Congress are other options.
There is no shortage of capable leaders.

I am still laughing. You really have a great sense of humor.

[Unregisteredsae]

I am still laughing. You really have a great sense of humor.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/aria090211_fix20090211051604.jpg

[Unregisterednotquite]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/aria090211_fix20090211051604.jpg

Raise any terror threat levels lately? LOL

[Unre222]

Raise any terror threat levels lately? LOL

Yeah, every day that I read about the foreclosure rate, the unemployment rate, this country is terrified it has become a banana republic.


Let me see, ,Texas military base, Underwear bomber, Times Square bomber.
If not for the incompetence of the last 2 there would have been a lot more dead, nothing due to our competence.

Keep reminding people about this , it will help in November

[neveraround]

Is Congressman Steve Israel supporting the Mosque being built at ground zero ? I've heard that he is not against it.

[Unreg857]

Is Congressman Steve Israel supporting the Mosque being built at ground zero ? I've heard that he is not against it.

He wants to build 2, just to keep them happy, maybe they won't blow anything up, we have to mollify all followers of Islam, because you know we cannot do anything to the Bible or Torah in this country, those radicl Catholics and wacky Jews would just go around killing everyone. And God forbid someone even think of putting a crucifix in a jar of urine, they would be dead the next day

[Newsday Sux III]

He wants to build 2, just to keep them happy, maybe they won't blow anything up, we have to mollify all followers of Islam, because you know we cannot do anything to the Bible or Torah in this country, those radicl Catholics and wacky Jews would just go around killing everyone. And God forbid someone even think of putting a crucifix in a jar of urine, they would be dead the next day

The above quote makes think that there is truth there. The left wing media llike Newsrag NYTimes etc never touched on the story that congressman Steve Israel took thousands of dollars for his campaign warchest from an Iranian arms dealer who was recently arrested in Huntington. While president Obama and Pelosi and Reid praise Islam and diversity and even Hamas Steve Israel collects money from people who would exterminate the Jewish nation.

[Unregisterednojoke]

my friend's healthcare premium is being raised by 34%

Steve Israel is no moderate

did he read the @#$%ing bill be for he voted for it ?

[UnregisteredObserver]

my friend's healthcare premium is being raised by 34%

Steve Israel is no moderate

did he read the @#$%ing bill be for he voted for it ?

Nobody knew completely what was in .it or what the effects would be! Pelosia admitted that, you have to pass it to see what is in it! If you want European, Canadien healthcare, you might like it. Steve Israel is doubling down, He is running ads on the health care bill. At least I admire that, he voted for it, run on it. He won't get my vote ,but at least he is running on his healthcare vote. It gives the voters a clear choice

[tiredoftheBS]

my friend's healthcare premium is being raised by 34%

Steve Israel is no moderate

did he read the @#$%ing bill be for he voted for it ?

So what? My car insurance went up this year. So did my homeowners insurance. Must be the healthcare bill.

Didnt you @#$%ing people think this would happen if we gave Bush another term? And now you want to bring back his policies! You did it your yourselves!

[Unrethen]

So what? My car insurance went up this year. So did my homeowners insurance. Must be the healthcare bill.

Didnt you @#$%ing people think this would happen if we gave Bush another term? And now you want to bring back his policies! You did it your yourselves!

No, and we would vote Bush out of office also,
looking for a small government fiscal conservative. If running against Bush is all you have to offer, your well has run dry

[Idontthinkso..]

No, and we would vote Bush out of office also,
looking for a small government fiscal conservative. If running against Bush is all you have to offer, your well has run dry

Who are you trying to bs? You would have voted for Bush. We know that because you gave him a second term. Don't talk out of both sides of your mouth.

[UnregisteredObserver]

Who are you trying to bs? You would have voted for Bush. We know that because you gave him a second term. Don't talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Yo buddy boy, right out of the front of my mouth, no both sides here.
Take a good look around. How many Republican incumbants were primaried and lost, to Tea Party, low taxation politicians.The Message has been sent. Tax and spend Republicans will get primaried and removed from office. If the choice is a Tax and spend Republican or redistribute the income, open borders, Democrat, we will hold our nose and vote for the Republican, but they will be primaried next time out.
Blaming Bush is hilarious, that shows how bad the Democrats are, they have been in charge of COngress since 2006, the Presidency from 2008, and the best you guys got is Bush did it. You guys are hopeless and will be thrown out with the trash!

[Unregistereddisgusted]

it's all over the internet and the media is protecting him

Parviz Lavi gave thousands of dollars to Steve's warchest

thats all Steve Israel cares about-HIMSELF

[Unregisteredhuh]

it's all over the internet and the media is protecting him

Parviz Lavi gave thousands of dollars to Steve's warchest

thats all Steve Israel cares about-HIMSELF

Oh No it's true

[ObamaMia]

seems this was not to happen

insurance companies are giving customers the boot

also employers will not hire for fear they can't afford healthcare coverage under Obama Israel care

[getready]

thank Obama Israel and Bishop for bringing us much higher cost for over the counter medicine starting January

Not only will drugs like Tylenol be more expensive you will have to get a prescription from your doctor

this will make the price obscene

Thanks for nothing Steve Israel-all your flyers you mailed are nothing but bullsh-t

[Unregisteredpol]

John Gomez has a very good chance at unseating congressman Israel and thats according to political insiders.

[Unregisteredpleeze]

John Gomez has a very good chance at unseating congressman Israel and thats according to political insiders.

The Cook Report (about as "inside" as you can get) has this seat as safe dem.

[Pee Trone]

The Cook Report (about as "inside" as you can get) has this seat as safe dem.

Siena Poll has it 43% Gomez and 38% Israel

and thats before all the sh-t hitting the fan

poor poor Steve he reaps what he sows

his wife is leaving him, he takes money from immigrant arms dealer for his campaign, he obeys Pelosi and Obama right down to the end

Change we can believe in John Gomez for Congress in 2nd congressional district

[uomarra]

Bush already served 2 terms and therefore was ineligible to run a third time.

[Siena]

The Gomez for Congress website has a video showing a number of Huntington doctors talking about Obamacare. It seems pretty clear from the interviews with the doctors that they see this as the end of the doctor/patient relationship. Obamacare has accelerated the advantage of large hospital and health systems to exert their market influence, and, according to the doctors, you can thank Steve Israel for the demise of the small medical practice on Long Island. Get ready to speak to a nurse or physicians assistant after your eight hour wait at a health system screening facility. In other words, Steve israel decided that everyone in the Second Congressional District should accept that Medicaid will now be the standard of care. As Rudy Giuliani noted at the Gomez endorsement at the Thatched Cottage recently, this is the first time he is concerned for the future of the country. Turning 16% of the nation's economy over to the government against the wishes of the vast majority of the country? A 4% sales tax on the sale of your home to finance this boondoggle? It just gets worse as you find out more about it. Steve israel claimed at the News 12 debate that he read the whole Obamacare bill before he voted for it. It was not a mistake. He meant to insert a 4% sales tax on the sale of homes on Long Island. He wanted to destroy the doctors in Huntington and the people actually paying the bills. He wanted to redistribute their earnings to ever more people who do not pay a cent into the system. Why would any voter on Long Island look to reward this conduct?

[illegal alien II]

The Gomez for Congress website has a video showing a number of Huntington doctors talking about Obamacare. It seems pretty clear from the interviews with the doctors that they see this as the end of the doctor/patient relationship. Obamacare has accelerated the advantage of large hospital and health systems to exert their market influence, and, according to the doctors, you can thank Steve Israel for the demise of the small medical practice on Long Island. Get ready to speak to a nurse or physicians assistant after your eight hour wait at a health system screening facility. In other words, Steve israel decided that everyone in the Second Congressional District should accept that Medicaid will now be the standard of care. As Rudy Giuliani noted at the Gomez endorsement at the Thatched Cottage recently, this is the first time he is concerned for the future of the country. Turning 16% of the nation's economy over to the government against the wishes of the vast majority of the country? A 4% sales tax on the sale of your home to finance this boondoggle? It just gets worse as you find out more about it. Steve israel claimed at the News 12 debate that he read the whole Obamacare bill before he voted for it. It was not a mistake. He meant to insert a 4% sales tax on the sale of homes on Long Island. He wanted to destroy the doctors in Huntington and the people actually paying the bills. He wanted to redistribute their earnings to ever more people who do not pay a cent into the system. Why would any voter on Long Island look to reward this conduct?

Now all my illegal alien friends will get better healthcare

whether they work or not

nice of you and Obama to spread the wealth of others so we can live better than in our homeland

[yippee...]

Bush already served 2 terms and therefore was ineligible to run a third time.

Thank heaven!

[Unregistered1z]

Vote!