Let me give you some game

[Krokus]

I read with interest today's Newsday article on Mr. Demarco's Sheriff's aspirations. Just a few things that your average Newsday reader needs to know about the daily soap opera that is the Sheriff's Dept:

1) Those top overtime earners that everyone, including Mr. Demarco, wants us to believe are indicitive of rampant overtime abuse, are such a small minority of the staff. They made a choice to give up their lives in order to make money. 800+ other members do not. Everyone who works for the Sheriff's Office knows that, except for,...well....those running for office, I guess.

2) Mr. Demarco can file all the PERB complaints he'd like. The Correction Officer's tried that 13 years ago when they were transferred out and were denied. Why should this be any different?

3) There will be fewer C/O's than Deps working at District Court and they will show up with their personal vehicles. Personally, that makes me mad enough to want to throw a bologna sandwich at someone.......thump!

4) Mr. Demarco may have been on the 'front lines' of the Deputy division, but certainly not inside the jails. Those buildings are falling apart and are antiquated. I don't know about the confines of the D/S union office, but I can tell you the insides of the jails are less than poor, with sewage leaking, gates breaking, ceilings dripping, and DPW unable to remedy it. Yes, we need a new jail. No, not the monstrosity that was initially proposed, but the scaled down version.

I just hate political rhetoric.........THUMP!!

[Tisch Basher]

I think DeMarco agrees with just about everything you stated. You sounds like you are with him.

[urmistaken]

There were fewer c/os because you dont do transportation. The c/os perb action years ago was different circumstances and your complaint iwas different. The idea of exclusivity also is important in that c/o's have never worked totally exclusive at district court. And Mr. Demarco in his statement and announcment clearly indicated that conditions for employees at the jail are terrible and that c/o's shouldnt be sitting on crates etc. etc. You need to have an open mind about Demarco running. Dont fall into the c/o vs. D/S argument. Give him a chance and listen to his ideas. If at that point you dont agree then you can take your stand either for or against but you should give him a chance. I know plent of C/O's and they are doing just that. There were plenty of C/O's and P.O.'s at Demarco's function last night that were giving him a chance.

What exactly is DeMarcos rank (dep 1,2,3,4, etc) in the dept and what is his assignment?

[Krokus]

We never had any delusions about doing transportation, we justed wanted the posts we had. We do not, however, want to be used as pawns in a political struggle between two opponents.

I'm all for giving any candidate his/her chance to express their views, but you have to be careful what you quote the media. The C/O rank and file are listening carefully.

I hope you are listening, and remembering as well. Tisch never gave you guys anything until the dspba union president spoke out against him. He can just as easily turn on you guys, he has shown his true character! If he was to get re-elected it would be for his last term, he could not run again. He would not need the c.o. union for anything and it would be back to business as usual. The unions need to come together and send Tisch packing. Together we can show to all future Sheriff's that if you do not treat your employees fairly, you will not be re-elected! We make it so easy for the administration by allowing them to pit us against each other. We could accomplish so much more if we could get our acts together and show a united front. The Deputies may be small in numbers, but we have shown to be a political force.

[Demarco basher]

Mr. Demarco needs to step down as the president of the dspba when he runs for sheriff. I can only see a huge conflict of interest if he does not.

[phoebe]

I hope you are listening, and remembering as well. Tisch never gave you guys anything until the dspba union president spoke out against him. He can just as easily turn on you guys, he has shown his true character! If he was to get re-elected it would be for his last term, he could not run again. He would not need the c.o. union for anything and it would be back to business as usual. The unions need to come together and send Tisch packing. Together we can show to all future Sheriff's that if you do not treat your employees fairly, you will not be re-elected! We make it so easy for the administration by allowing them to pit us against each other. We could accomplish so much more if we could get our acts together and show a united front. The Deputies may be small in numbers, but we have shown to be a political force.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU SAID A MOUTHFUL, BROTHER. PAY ATTENTION FOLKS.
ITS YOUR FUTURE HERE HES TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST THE NEXT FEW EMPTY PROMISE RIDDEN MONTHS.

[SCDEP]

I've been on the job for 14 years and I gotta tell ya, Demarco has really placed all of us in a bad spot. His actions and words have taken jobs from us and has cost me & my family money. The C/O's should vote for him as I really believe he is out to destroy us. Demarco in my opinion should step down before he creates more damage for the working stiff.

[True Dep]

"'ve been on the job for 14 years and "....................


NICE TRY IMPOSTER! THERE ARE NO DEPS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE JOB "14" YEARS.

IF YOU ARE WHO YOU ATTEST TO BE, DO THE MATH WITH THE ANNIVERSARY DATES.

i have been reading these post about many many c/o's who are supporting demarco...........who are they and where are they????? I work in riverhead and and i have not heard any c/o who says that they are voting for demarco. Can any c/o that works the farm comment???

i have been reading these post about many many c/o's who are supporting demarco...........who are they and where are they????? I work in riverhead and and i have not heard any c/o who says that they are voting for demarco. Can any c/o that works the farm comment???
Are you seriously going to forget the past over three years because the Sheriff gave you Dist. Ct.? All i have heard the past three years is how the c.o.'s are unhappy with Tisch and Murphy! If he was to get re-elected it would be business as usual. Give Vinnie a chance. It would be nice to have someone running the Dept. who actually knew something about it.

[Krokus]

We're waiting to see what the candidate has to say- in his own words. How many times have we heard this promise: "I promise, just the tip"......

i have been reading these post about many many c/o's who are supporting demarco...........who are they and where are they????? I work in riverhead and and i have not heard any c/o who says that they are voting for demarco. Can any c/o that works the farm comment???
Are you seriously going to forget the past over three years because the Sheriff gave you Dist. Ct.? All i have heard the past three years is how the c.o.'s are unhappy with Tisch and Murphy! If he was to get re-elected it would be business as usual. Give Vinnie a chance. It would be nice to have someone running the Dept. who actually knew something about it.


to be honest it does not matter who gets, in the dept. will always be messed up. every c/o believes if demarco gets in ,jan 1st district goes back to the deps, as well as any post outside the walls of both riverhead and yapank. i want to have vinny's promises in writing before i cast my vote. as for tisch over the last three years, just think it could have been felicia and a whole lot worse. The biggest problem on the c/o side of the dept. is the azz kissers that are ranked c/o I c/o II c/o III who come up with great ideas for management, and they say go for it. a prime example is the pipe. the pipe was researched by a particular c/o II trying to azz kiss his way to the top. Well now we are stuck with it. Don't get me wrong i'm all for DOING OUR JOB but i think we were doing a pretty good job before we were handed a electronic weapon to make sure we were doing our jobs. I tell you what vinny, tell me you will change the pipe policy to 1/2 hour tours in the PODS ,kitchen, and when we have gym housing. as well as eliminate the yard pipe (which is completely retarded) then we may have something to talk about................

[Neveragain]

I am a C/O, on the job for quite a while. I don't know Demarco, never met the man. Why any C/O would vote for him is what I'm questioning.

Everyone knows that our division is the red-headed stepchild, little respect, little attention, dumped on by everyone including our own bosses. It's OK, I get paid pretty well, do a professional job, don't want to be a policeman or drive a policecar. I and most of my brother and sister officers just try to to do a difficult job and go home safe. Thats all.

Will Demarco help us? We will resume our previous duties, lose outside posts, District Ct, etc. We might even wind up with the infamous "drug pig" that Demarco suggested we get instead of a dog (bad joke, Vinnie.) Even worse, he appears to be aligned with the previous regime, the gang of thugs that Morris created and used to do his dirty work. The bottom line is this - any association Demarco has with this group of scabs is enough to make C/O's vote against him.

I don't want the rat pack back again. They almost destroyed the union the last time for their own personal gain, you can be sure that they will be up to their old tricks again. If Vinnie thinks that these are his kind of people, than I know what kind of person he is.

Is Tisch the answer? I think he's been pretty ineffectual and given too much power to the Warden (who has his own agenda). Still, we now have more than ever before. I have no desire to go back to the old days.

Sorry Vinnie, you might be a decent guy but you're a bad judge of character.

[Time for change!!!!]

I am a C/O, on the job for quite a while. I don't know Demarco, never met the man. Why any C/O would vote for him is what I'm questioning.

Everyone knows that our division is the red-headed stepchild, little respect, little attention, dumped on by everyone including our own bosses. It's OK, I get paid pretty well, do a professional job, don't want to be a policeman or drive a policecar. I and most of my brother and sister officers just try to to do a difficult job and go home safe. Thats all.

Will Demarco help us? We will resume our previous duties, lose outside posts, District Ct, etc. We might even wind up with the infamous "drug pig" that Demarco suggested we get instead of a dog (bad joke, Vinnie.) Even worse, he appears to be aligned with the previous regime, the gang of thugs that Morris created and used to do his dirty work. The bottom line is this - any association Demarco has with this group of scabs is enough to make C/O's vote against him.

I don't want the rat pack back again. They almost destroyed the union the last time for their own personal gain, you can be sure that they will be up to their old tricks again. If Vinnie thinks that these are his kind of people, than I know what kind of person he is.

Is Tisch the answer? I think he's been pretty ineffectual and given too much power to the Warden (who has his own agenda). Still, we now have more than ever before. I have no desire to go back to the old days.

Sorry Vinnie, you might be a decent guy but you're a bad judge of character.

[Time for change!!!!]

I am a C/O, on the job for quite a while. I don't know Demarco, never met the man. Why any C/O would vote for him is what I'm questioning.

Everyone knows that our division is the red-headed stepchild, little respect, little attention, dumped on by everyone including our own bosses. It's OK, I get paid pretty well, do a professional job, don't want to be a policeman or drive a policecar. I and most of my brother and sister officers just try to to do a difficult job and go home safe. Thats all.

Will Demarco help us? We will resume our previous duties, lose outside posts, District Ct, etc. We might even wind up with the infamous "drug pig" that Demarco suggested we get instead of a dog (bad joke, Vinnie.) Even worse, he appears to be aligned with the previous regime, the gang of thugs that Morris created and used to do his dirty work. The bottom line is this - any association Demarco has with this group of scabs is enough to make C/O's vote against him.

I don't want the rat pack back again. They almost destroyed the union the last time for their own personal gain, you can be sure that they will be up to their old tricks again. If Vinnie thinks that these are his kind of people, than I know what kind of person he is.

Is Tisch the answer? I think he's been pretty ineffectual and given too much power to the Warden (who has his own agenda). Still, we now have more than ever before. I have no desire to go back to the old days.

Sorry Vinnie, you might be a decent guy but you're a bad judge of character.

[c/o 3 years]

neveragain, thank you for making sense of this whole mess. i would agree with the previous post who stated that he/she did not know any c/o who would vote for demarco. well c/o's for demarco who are you where are you and how many of you are there...........

[box monster]

Thank you .....finally !!!!!!!!!!Someone who asks the infamous question.......What C/O is voting for Demarco....I can honestly say that I have not heard 1 C/O say he is voting for Demarco.....How could any C/O justify voting for a dep to be Sheriff????????????Deps want all the corrections jobs@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is no way in hell I would vote for a former deputy(and I say former because hes been in the union for a while) to be Sheriff....the most junior deps do the corrections jobs in DC....Why do you still want our job????????????o/t o/t o/t o/t............keep dreaming fellas!!!!!! You will not have C/ O support for "YOUR GUY"...................Let the corrections Division of the SCSO do the Corrections work and you guys can do your part.........by the way.....How far behind are you guys in your civil work????????????????maybe now you can do the job your meant to do......Quit your bitchin already!!!!

[GIMMY A BREAK]

ANY CO WH0 DOES VOTE FOR TISCH AT THIS POINT AND TIME IS AN IDIOT! DO YOU WANT WHAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST 3 1/2 YEARS? NO RESPECT, NO LEADERSHIP, NO COMRARARY, BIAS TREATMENT, UNION BUSTING, UNETHICAL POLICIES, UNFAIR PROMOTIONS, ULTRA MICRO MANAGING, RIDICULOUS PROCEEDURES (PIPE), UNNECESSARY DISCIPLINARY SANCTIONS INFLICTED UPON THE CHOSEN, RULE BY FEAR AND INTIMIDATION, NO RIGHTS, NO SAY, MONITORING DEVICES AND RECORDED PHONES ALL OVER THE PLACE (WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT) AND MUCH MORE TO COME..........................I DON'T AND MANY MORE OR MY FELLOW C.O.'S -YES I SAIS C.O.'S DON'T EITHER. WE'VE HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH OF THIS GARBAGE!

HIT ME ONCE- SHAME ON YOU.
HIT ME TWICE - SHAME ON ME. FIGURE IT OUT.

[Krokus]

I love all those hot, newly elected SCCOA board members. Hubba hubba......

[Tier Walker]

Finally we have board members who are not fat wanna be gangsters. Maybe now someone will work on our 20 yr bill and binding arbitration for us.

[Olive Branch Extended]

I was intrigued by the amount of C/O's, (people claiming to be C/O's), who asked who are the C/O's supporting Vinny? Here's the answer - come to the next fundraiser and find out. No - don't pay, just come - have a drink, have something to eat, listen to what Demarco has to say - and look around the room. You will see for yourself just how many C/O's are helping with the Demarco campaign. No azz kissers, only one boss, mostly rank and file C/O's who simply do not believe in what Tisch has been spewing of late. I agree that you probably won't hear a lot of C/O's at the Jail telling you that they support Vinny. Here's why - first - we all know that our work environments are not very forgiving - some guys wanted to hear what Vinny had to say without having to go back to work and hear other guys assumptions that they were "selling out" etc. Second - they have seen what happens when Tisch is mad at you. Many of the C/O's who attended were concerned about being "outed" as Demarco supporters. The answer - they were allowed to attend the fundraiser and donate less than one hundred dollars - when you donate less than $100. Ie: $ 99.00 or less, your name doesn't appear on the draft total that can be obtained via the freedom of information. I really belive that Demarco would be good for the Department - not just the Deputies. He got us our 20 year retirement and a whole lot more. Would you rather have 50 outside jobs with a 25 year retirement, or 20 outside jobs and a twenty year bill. I firmly believe Demarco has the conections in Albany and the smarts to do a lot for both Deps and C/O's. Come down and hear what the guy has to say, if you are not sure how to go about it call the Deputy union and ask for his personal phone number. Don't act on the unknown, and don't be bullied by Murphy any more, come down listen and make up your own mind!

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEWS 12 DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[c/o 3 years]

Well i'll tell you guys and gals, deps, fellow c/o's, it doesn't matter what we think. look at the last 2 elections. all but one law enforcement agency supportted romaine, he lost. (i'm sure the deps are kicking themselves now) last year when we tried to get bishop ousted from babylon, john illiou got his azz kicked. now we have tisch vs. demarco. It comes down to what the general public believes or wants to believe. we can all go to train stations fundraisers etc.etc. it just doesn't matter. maybe our family members will vote for who we want and maybe a few neighbors, i just hope the rest of suffolk county is not fooled like they were by levy. It comes down to this, when the public sees Vinny and Al on t.v. in debate or in the papers they are going to look at vinny and say "this 30 year old kid wants to be sheriff?" anybody see the movie the distinguished gentleman w/eddie murphy? its what the people want to hear or see.
This is the truth people we can go back and forth all we want. So i say lets all have a nice summer,try to get along (c/o's and deps), work lots of o.t. so we can buy nice things and most of all HAVE A NICE DAY :D

[Krokus]

Great. Just what we need- more future subordinate employees actively campaigning for a guy who will be their BOSS. Please, tell me where else in the real world do people give up their free time and money to support their boss?

Ok, I can see where there are those who may know the guy personally, so that's understandable. But for your average employee, who never met the guy, to go out and get giddy for him, that's pathetic. So what are they seeking in return? Are they doing it from the goodness of their heart? I recall the union asking guys to man phone banks and hand out flyers for Tisch at train stations. What did they get?.....zilch.

We have union members who screen these guys at PAC meetings. Lets's leave it at that. I say the most these guys should earn is an official Union endorsement, not my free time or money.

Great. Just what we need- more future subordinate employees actively campaigning for a guy who will be their BOSS. Please, tell me where else in the real world do people give up their free time and money to support their boss?


Every freakin election on every level of government

[box monster]

What do the C/O's have to look forward to if Demarco is elected Sheriff????????NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As the deps union pres.he has filed a lawsuit challenging the Sheriffs decision to have C/O's do corrections work at DC.....Why??????Well we all know the answer to that....O/t O/T O/T......deps are police officers and they should be doing police work not corrections work.....let the C/O's babysit and hand out the bologna sandwiches so that the deps can perform the duties their police status call for.......I still dont get it......Deps are so enamored with their status as police officers....why does their Union boss want to fight so diligently to protect a job that is below them in status.....

[Double DD]

Back and forth, back and forth. Its the same old story. I know for a fact that there are some, or should I say a few, (C/Os) who are behind Vinnie. Its the old Mahoney boys trying to regain some past glory. These people say they are looking out for their fellow officers and know whats best for us all. In fact, they have always looked out for themselves and their small circle of political suck ups, so be it, its their choice.

I don't know whether or not Vinnie would make a good Sheriff, I do know that he's a DEP and that if elected the corrections end of the department would always come second to HIS BOYS. I'm sure that if a C/O was elected, the tables would be turned, its to be expected.

I do feel that C/Os are ineffective are a political force and rarely ever accomplishs any political coals they set out for. They have so many independent groups pursuing their own self interest that collectivly the're incable of functioning as a political entity.

[Abbe Normal]

Every C/O at the Demarco function was there to further their own career path, none of them could care less for the average C/O. The same people did it before and they wil try to do it again.

How come these people have such a high regard for themselves and their buddies but can't make rank or get investigator positions without paying or sucking up? I hope that Tisch knows who these people are so he can treat them just like the old administration treated the perceived enemy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Those that fell from grace truly believe that they earned their positions in the previous regime. These ingrates are now the righteous few that complain to the union about unfair tactics. Do they ever take a good look in the mirror, do they really believe the crap that they're selling, or does it not matter as long as they get what they want?

I can live with a certain amount of mismanagement, but I can't work with people that will use and abuse their fellow officers just to get ahead. My vote in this election will be against our own department scambags, and whomever it is they endorse.

[Double DD]

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the C/Os will find it impossible to put up a unified front to wage a successful campaign against Demarco. Personnely I don't think the man has enough experiance to run a department, but thats just my opinion. I'ld sooner vote for a circus clown----- oh wait--- there's one already running the dept.

[Krokus]

Ok Guest, so then we are a nation of suck-ups and sycophants. How reassuring.

So will Vinnie Demarco, if elected, set up office in the Was-to-be DWI-facility-but-now-going-to-be-extremely-secure-administrative-offices?
Talk about waste and mismanagement.

[Double DD]

I don't have to talk about waste and mismanagement, thats all of Suffolk county. We as tax payers are not -- have been-- or ever will be getting our tax dollars worth of service, crookhaven was just the tip of the politically corrupt shenanigans going on here in the land of the over taxed, but thats another topic.

[notagain]

We (c/o's) always try to back people we think are going to screw the deps. Try and get us jobs. Its never worked. Never. Maybe its time we did something different.

[Double DD]

I don't necessarily believe thats true, although it would appear that way at times. However there are people on both sides of the fence who love to perpetuate that kind of thing to create animosity between the two departments.

heard tisch took rotating pay away from c.o.'s at dist. ct., anyone confirm?

[Double DD]

Not true, on one of the two shifts you have to work the majority of your hours after 1500 hr. They no longer do that at district.

They're gonna do it cheaper then the deps one way or the other, after all, wasn't that the pretence for giving district back to the C/Os, it would be cheaper and save the dept money, (aahhh the money). I hear they even got those guys working through lunch, (no O/T) and giving them box lunches so they do'nt have give them meal money, (aaaahhhh the money).

so the answer was yes? the c.o.'s at dist. ct. are no longer getting rotating pay, where some of them did prior to being sent there.

[Krokus]

You know how the Dept. thinks, just give them another tray of bullpen's to hold 'em over, one tray for the mutts and one for the staff, plus you're not getting paid. Good job fellas, let's take one for the Dept. to show 'em we can do it cheaper.

If worse comes to worse, we can always go to a bodega in Central Islip in full uniform......

county court is next boys and girls.............to all the c/o's you wanted o.t you got it....1-3-5...see if you all like it after a summer of that......

[Double DD]

It doesn't matter, when Demarco takes office he'll give the C/Os the heave-ho and put the Deps back in. Hell, since their all dressed like janitors maybe he'll asign a few stay to swamp out the tiolets, after all it'll be at the "Sheriff's discretion".

It doesn't matter, when Demarco takes office he'll give the C/Os the heave-ho and put the Deps back in. Hell, since their all dressed like janitors maybe he'll asign a few stay to swamp out the tiolets, after all it'll be at the "Sheriff's discretion".
NO GOOD COMES FROM TRASH-TALKING EACH OTHER

[Guesty]

If Demarco will care for the Deps as much as the Co's then run for your life. As a union President he has lost 17% of the Deps jobs.
Does anyone think he cares about his own union? If he did his job and cared for the union then they would not be in the shape they are in. I think his job would be the best interest of the entire union. Not just his own Politcal agenda. No one is saying it out loud but "HEY GREAT, run for office but quit your union job and leave us out of it."
How can we ask CO's to follow, when he is not even seeking the best contract for the union he is in. A wolf in sheeps clothing?
I see a wolf in DEP's uniform looking out for himself. Does anyone think he will make things bettor for the CO's? Can he cut 17% of your jobs and then send those people back to other jobs to cut overtime? Wow, what a great idea. How about private guards on the tiers like the fed does? The Savior or the anti-christ? I don't know.

If Demarco will care for the Deps as much as the Co's then run for your life. As a union President he has lost 17% of the Deps jobs.
Does anyone think he cares about his own union? If he did his job and cared for the union then they would not be in the shape they are in. I think his job would be the best interest of the entire union. Not just his own Politcal agenda. No one is saying it out loud but "HEY GREAT, run for office but quit your union job and leave us out of it."
How can we ask CO's to follow, when he is not even seeking the best contract for the union he is in. A wolf in sheeps clothing?
I see a wolf in DEP's uniform looking out for himself. Does anyone think he will make things bettor for the CO's? Can he cut 17% of your jobs and then send those people back to other jobs to cut overtime? Wow, what a great idea. How about private guards on the tiers like the fed does? The Savior or the anti-christ? I don't know.

First off, neither Demarco or the PBA lost any jobs. A politically motivated Sheriff took those jobs for his perceived political gain. A union president only has so much power. Are you happy that since Demarco has been in the union the union gained about 60 new Deputy positions?
Demarco has been in the union for 6 years and produced 3 contracts. Before he took over the DSPBA we went 4 and 5 years between contracts.
No one is asking Demarco to quit the union because no one believes he should have to. If you are to much of a wimp then get out of the union and go work for Tisch. Tisch attacked this union. Demorco nor the PBA attacked Tisch. Do you really believe that you would still have your job in District Court? Tisch has no support, no workers and no friends. He had to buy some and he did.
Tell us how is Demarco not looking for the best contract for Deputies? He is the first Deputy PBA President to take his union to binding arbitration. That is no small feat.
Blaming Demarco for the Sheriff’s political attacks makes as much sense as you thinking you are entitled to overtime.
Place the blame where it is due. Tisch is as corrupt or even more so then previous Sheriff’s. He just makes it worse by claiming he is so pure.
Have you noticed how Tisch just made three more political hacks Investigators? The only Deputies supporting Tisch are Investigators.
I certainly hope that you are not called for the next round of drug testing.

[Double DD]

I have to agree with GUEST, absolutely no jobs were lost. Officers were transfered, not fired. As always its politics at its best, I think that who ever ends up as Sheriff will always be corrupted by the position.

If Demarco will care for the Deps as much as the Co's then run for your life. As a union President he has lost 17% of the Deps jobs.
Does anyone think he cares about his own union? If he did his job and cared for the union then they would not be in the shape they are in. I think his job would be the best interest of the entire union. Not just his own Politcal agenda. No one is saying it out loud but "HEY GREAT, run for office but quit your union job and leave us out of it."
How can we ask CO's to follow, when he is not even seeking the best contract for the union he is in. A wolf in sheeps clothing?
I see a wolf in DEP's uniform looking out for himself. Does anyone think he will make things bettor for the CO's? Can he cut 17% of your jobs and then send those people back to other jobs to cut overtime? Wow, what a great idea. How about private guards on the tiers like the fed does? The Savior or the anti-christ? I don't know.Gee you are blaming the pres for the sherriffs actions? Tisch moved, not cut the deps. Demarco merely stated he wanted to run for office, tischy abused his position by punishing the deps. Think for a second perhaps next time a c.o. delcares himself a candidate, what will happen to the cos?

[Guester]

HOLD ON TO YOUR STETSONS BIG BOYS

DEMARCO IS NOT GETTING DEM ENDORSEMENT!!!!!

NOW WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THE BAD BOYS COME FOR YOU.

A INSIDE DEAL HAS BEEN MADE BY SCHAFER, AGAIN.
He wants all political funds for Brookhaven and Cty Leg seat races. He does not want any other big CTY RACES DA or Sheriff to slice off dollars from the big money pie in the sky.
Richie is a smooth operator....

[Democratic Nod]

It has already been pointed out here that the Dem nomination for Demmarco is not a sure thing. I don't know about Schaffer pulling the rug out underneath him (although I wouldn't doubt it). Fact is, sheriff is not a big priority with Dem leadership. DeMarco may or may not get Dem nod but if he does, he will have to finance his own campaign. Dems are more intent on the legislative races and would like to pick up some of the town supervisor and town council spots. The only ones who seem to think the sheriff's race is a big deal is the sheriff himself, his opponent, the c.o.s and deputies, their respective unions and sheriff's department member's families. The only thing the public cares about is controlling cost, like the new jail and the overtime abuse. The other wrinkle is that DeMarco can be challenged in the Dem primary. Schaffer (if he really cares) can't stop a registered Dem to take on DeMarco. There are a lot of partisan Dems who resent a registered conservative being handed the Dem nomination. They are the ones who have to get the signatures for the petitiions and do the party type work. Also, Schaffer may have cut a deal with the Republicans to not run a serious campaign against Tisch in return for the cross endorsement of Tom Spota. I haven't heard of any Republican candidates for D.A. have you? All you guys who rant and rave about the sheriff's race better realize that the whole world doesn't revolve around you and that decisions are being made behind the scenes that has nothing to do with what you like or dislike. The bosses have bigger fish to fry than just the sheriff's race.

[Schaffer Jr]

No lo Demarco or Juan Demarco

[in the know big time]

Now there are no deals for Tisch. Anyone in a party can primary someone else. Now as far a deal with Tisch you have to be kidding,he brings nothing to the table. Spota wins going away because he did the job he was elected to do! You should have learned something from his professionalism. Tisch may have a Republican primary. He has NO MONEY and maybe that is MAYBE he can garner one line. Good luck Tisch! You are a CROOKHAVEN REPUBLICAN and will be sent to pasture with the rest of your cronies such as Tom Neppell, Jimmy Catterson,and the rest of YOUR BROOKHAVEN POLITICAL BULLIES.By the way I hear Patty Acampora is cutting a deal for county clerk and you are what she is giving up, or do you really believe she will be the leader come September. :roll: The Republicans are fighting for there lives to hold onto the legislator and have already written off you and your Brookhaven buddies. You have no support no matter how much BS they type on this board. Demarco wins going away. Four lines to maybe one. You had to know eventually good government was going to take over. As I always say ENJOY RETIREMENT TISCH!

[South of the hwy]

There is a new article up on the web site about the sheriff election

The democrats dont need to make any deals to cross-endorse Spota - he doesnt need it, nobody could win against him and the republicans know it. he is too well-liked by all. and from what i hear, demarco already has more money than tisch and can fund his own campaign. I do agree the dem endorsement is certainly questionable at best. tisch and demarco both will have to run primaries, i'm sure. as far as tisch pulling deps out of dist. ct., it doesn't matter what you feel about vinnie making a negative comment about the sheriff or announcing to run against him, what tisch did was WRONG! a union president has the right to criticize management. and it is illegal to retaliate against a union. if you think it is o.k. to penalize and entire union for what a union president or any member of the union says about management, than you are anti-union. tisch is a bully with no integrity what so ever. and if you think your boss has the right to retaliate against you because you choose to support/vote for someone else in a public election then you are anti-democracy.

[yourwrong]

Reference the post about 3 political hacks being made investigator, 2 of the 3 both have had over 15 years on the job. Both have been very good Deputies and certainly deserved the positions. We all know about the third.

[ed note]

Give credit where credit is due, Vinny never got the 20 year bill....he wasn't even on the board at the time.....1997 lessler got us the 20 year retirement. Vinny's true test will be the binding arbitration, get us good numbers then we'll talk. Anybody ever consider a candidate both the d/s and the c/o's could get behind, a comprimise candidate.

Reference the post about 3 political hacks being made investigator, 2 of the 3 both have had over 15 years on the job. Both have been very good Deputies and certainly deserved the positions. We all know about the third.

2 of the 3 "good Deputies?". What is a good Deputy? A guy who does nothing for 15 years? Never makes an arrest? What did they do to derserve the positions? One, was an Investigator for a few days once before and quit because his buddy Tisch promised him anything he wanted as long as he would endorse Tisch again. What you didn't know he was only made because he was president of the Police Association?

At least the third guy is a cop and knows how to make arrests and handle things of that nature.

Every Investigator is a hack. 99% of them are backing Tisch. When Demarco is elected he should replace all the Investigators who have did nothing more then sit around for 15 years with guys who at least have made an arrest.

[yourwrong]

the third guys father in law is a officer in the military and an investigator with the department who pulled stings so Otto could get into his military command to save his retirement. Thats why he got made investigator. He had less than 2 years on and was still on field training when he left the city!! Did nothing but upstate trips. Please ex city guy!!!! Give me a break.

[yourwrong]

oh and by the way..since you probably werent on the job when the one gave up his investigator spot, he left because he was in MEU which sucks. And he has been with the police association for over 10 years. So if he was a hack dont you think he could have gotten made a lont time ago. Just because a Deputy doesn play 511 detective doesnt mean he isnt a good deputy. Time on should mean something. You city guys have an arrogance never seen before. i.e. running for the union with 5 months on the job!!

[Gold Star]

Suffolk Life online has a great article on the sheriff's race. Check it out.

2 of the 3 "good Deputies?". What is a good Deputy? A guy who does nothing for 15 years? Never makes an arrest? What did they do to derserve the positions? One, was an Investigator for a few days once before and quit because his buddy Tisch promised him anything he wanted as long as he would endorse Tisch again. What you didn't know he was only made because he was president of the Police Association?

At least the third guy is a cop and knows how to make arrests and handle things of that nature.

Every Investigator is a hack. 99% of them are backing Tisch. When Demarco is elected he should replace all the Investigators who have did nothing more then sit around for 15 years with guys who at least have made an arrest.

Hey Clueless,

You should get your facts straight before spewing out the Bull**** that you wrote above. First of all not every Investigator is a hack, some were actually promoted becaus they did a decent job. Some have made hundreds of arrests in their carrer and continue to do so as part of their job today. Granted, a good amount of them are there because of politics, both past and present. Secondly, I know of only a VERY SMALL handful who are willing to back Tisch. The majority of them are backing Vinny with their brother and sister Deputies because of the injustice commited at District. Do you think uniform personel are the only ones effected? Maybe you should get up some nerve and speak to some of the Investigators to get your facts straight before painting them ALL with such a broad brush. As far as the 3 that were just made, I agree 2 of them are hacks, the third is a decent guy with seniority who has done his job.......

oh and by the way..since you probably werent on the job when the one gave up his investigator spot, he left because he was in MEU which sucks. And he has been with the police association for over 10 years. So if he was a hack dont you think he could have gotten made a lont time ago. Just because a Deputy doesn play 511 detective doesnt mean he isnt a good deputy. Time on should mean something. You city guys have an arrogance never seen before. i.e. running for the union with 5 months on the job!!

How many Investigators got to give up a spot as an investigator becasue they did not like where they were assigned.? Hell one was just bounced from CIB and not even allowed to transfer. KM is a TISCH hack of the worst kind. He was promised he could have whatever he wanted because he is a hack. His fellow hack investigators don't even like him. From what I hear he has been kissing up to be an investigator for years but that he was so bad no one would give it to him. Till he sucked up to Tisch. Plus it is being said he has a history of writing up guys he works with.
According to you all you have to do is come to work for 15 years and you should be an Investigator. You must be another do nothing.

If it's gonna be a hack getting the spot, I'd rather he had 15 years on than 2.

[You R Forgetting Somethin]

No doubt, when the Dems run their county convention within the next month, that Rich Schaffer will nominate Vinny DeMarco to run for sheriff. Most likely the rank-and-file Dems will rally around Schaffer's choice even if reluctantly. That is not to say that DeMarco won't be challenged in a primary by a registered Dem and Schaffer can't do anything about it. By the way, sheriff's employees don't vote in a Democratic primary unless they are registered Dems. How many c.o.s or deputies are registered Dems? Not many, I bet! Almost nobody in law enforcement registers as a Dem if they actually are registered to vote or registered with any party. What I am trying to say is that DeMarco is not the Dem candidate until he is nominated officially at the convention and he is not challenged in a primary. That is a big "if." I am already hearing Dem Party loyalists who are pissed that a Conservative is running on their line. A lot of them would rather lose with one of their own than win with a guy from the Conservative Party no less! These are the died in the wool Bush haters who are the ones who actually do all the grunt work of the party like make donations, go door to door, carry petitions et. al. Dems are notoriously inidependent and contrarian and may not necessarily bow to Rich Schaffer's wishes. I know for a fact that Dave Bishop has been covertly approached through one of his aidesand he didn't outright dismiss the possibility. If someone like Bishop challenges DeMarco in a Democratic Party primary, Bishop wins easily. Remember who actually votes in a Democratic Party primary. What would a guy like Bishop or Felicia Collins (I have heard that she wouldn't mind running again) have to lose? There might be others to challenge DeMarco. I know that there is a lot of buzz amongst the Dem Party committee people to find a challenger for DeMarco. By the way, these people are not intimidated by Rich Schaffer who many have lost faith in. A lot could happen in the days leading up to the convention and the deadline for a primary challenge. Who knows?

[f.f.]

Come on now. Who ever runs against the current administration couldn't possibly be any worse than the current three stooges and the pot belly pig. Life couldn't be THAT unfair.

[Crazy 1]

I am a Deputy Sergeant, I like most facets of my job, I don't want to be a Suffolk Cop, I don't want to be a C/O, I like MY job. I have been around for over 16 years, I've worked the station 15 and 16 booths, I know a lot of C/O's from both facilities. When I worked the booth years ago at Yaphank I would take off my gear and eat my lunch in the C/O's cafeteria with many C/O's that I still call friends. I played deck hockey and basketball with the C/O's in the Farm Gym, and I played poker at C/O's houses on Friday nights - in short these are good guys and many are my friends. I don't know why I have to endure posts from idiots on both jobs that cant see the forest for the trees. Grow up guys - this is a public forum, everyone sees it. Part of being professional and having some pride in your job includes taking the high road and not participating in this constant bickering. This is what the administration wants - they want to see both sides of this Department at odds with each other. It is to their advantage that we have this rift between us, it is to everyones advantage but ours. I really think there are guys out there who just want to get along and do their own jobs. As a group it seems every administration re - defines what our jobs are, and this one is no exception. I've lived through Dooley with his axe carrying henchman, (Layton), who kicked the Deputy side any chance he got. Where are they now? Dooley is in and out of jails since then, and his "AID" was afraid to work the tiers so he quit - Layton.
Then we had Mahoney and Morris - they beat the living crap out of the Corrections side of the job every chance they got. All in response to a pissing contest between Canatella and Morris. Then came the trials and indictments and the deals etc. so where are they now? Mahoney hasn't been heard from since, Morris took pleas and is retired in obscurity. Now we have Tisch, he reacts to an article in Newsday where the Demarco made comments about him by giving the C/O's 1 DC, he takes away the overnight trips from Deputies and gives it to THE STATE C/O's, (not Suffolk C/O's), then he continues with illegal contract busting and union busting ploys. Guess what, I'll be here when he's gone too! This is my career, this isn't just some stopover on a long line of political jobs. This is it for me, and frankly I'm not going to sit back and let him rip apart the Sheriff's Department any more. I can understand if C/O's are happy with getting 1 DC, I really do, but at what cost to your own dignity did you get those twenty some odd jobs? How long will both sides sit back and take this back and forth crap until we stand together and throw the POLITICIANS out of OUR JOBS. I am supporting Vin Demarco, he has always been a decent and trustworthy person. He tells me he wants a better job for both C/O's and Deps and I firmly believe that he is sincere. I understand that a lot of C/O's will be aprehensive about supporting him, but the alternative is to sit back and let the current administration run OUR jobs into the dirt. Lets face it, next year they might be pissed off at the C/O's then what?

Sorry this post was so long but I have sat back and read all this crap for quite a while without responding.