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Disgruntled Taxpayer I
03-27-2005, 02:34 PM
The latest move to propose a cross endorsement of DA Dillon only proves that both Jacobs and Suozzi are craven individuals who do not understand true men of character. Dillon is a man of strong religious convictions. If the Newsday article is accurate, and this jackass Jay Jacobs is going to ask Dillon to compromise on anti-abortion activisim, and not use his bully pulpit to advocate his convictions based upon faith and conscious is like asking Dillon to renounce Jesus Christ. It won't happen. Jay is a moron. And he just offended and threatened all the "pro-choice" folks in his party. But the bigger buffoon is Tom Suozzi himself.

Mr. Jacobs is not a Catholic and cannot be expected to understand the true depth of a religiously motivated right to lifer's convictions on an issue like abortion. Suozzi received an excellent education in some of the premier Catholic Institutions on the East Coast, including Chaminade High School, Boston College, and Fordham Law. Surely, in his studies at these institutions, Suozzi must have encountered students, faculty, and spiritual leaders who could have explained to him Catholic social teachings. Suozzi may have even encountered individuals involved in the Charismatic Renewal and other Catholic evangelical efforts. Dillon is strongly grounded in the best of the Catholic traditions, appears at least sympathetic to the Charismatic Renewal, and Suozzi should have wisely told Jay to back off on this one.


Also, this little article should be filed away by all of those of CONSERVATIVE leanings who think they can play ball with Suozzi. It's either their way or no way. Read this Easter Sunday Excerpt from Newsday, and have a great big laugh with me:


Nassau County Democratic Party Chairman Jay Jacobs last week stopped short of giving the party's backing to Dillon, a former Democrat who in 1988 abandoned the party over its stand favoring abortion rights. "I have to give the party a commitment that won't help elect someone who will turn his job into a pro-life agenda," Jacobs said. "At least over the past eight years, Denis Dillon has not done that in his job."

Nevertheless, political sources said, top Nassau Democrats are holding private discussions to gauge support for Dillon among party faithful. And before declining to comment further, Jacobs last week said: "I would entertain the idea of a cross-endorsement and I think there are strong merits to the idea."

Neither Dillon nor Nassau Republican Chairman Joseph Mondello would discuss the possibility of a cross-endorsement. But Democratic and Republican sources said Dillon and Jacobs met for the first time late Thursday to discuss the endorsement and other campaign-related issues. Jacobs, sources said, is looking for assurance that Dillon won't use the office to push his anti-abortion stance.

"Good luck doing that," snapped one Republican leader who did not want to be identified. "Jay won't get that kind of commitment from Dillon."

Since winning office in 1974, Dillon has been among the top vote-getters in the county. But some Democrats fear giving their line to an anti-abortion Republican would detract from the Democrats' central campaign message of how the party under Suozzi, and the party's legislative majority, brought the county back from near financial ruin.

"I told Jay it was not a good idea to endorse Dillon, but that I wouldn't stand in his way if that's what he wants to do," said Legis. Lisanne Altmann (D-Great Neck). "It would be better to groom some fresh faces and give Democrats an alternative. We don't need an insurance policy to keep people on our line. Our record speaks for itself."

The Truth About JJ
03-27-2005, 02:55 PM
Jay Jacobs is nothing less than Suozzi's order-taker. He hasn't an opinion on anything except running the Dems patronage mill.

i agree with you but
03-27-2005, 03:19 PM
Jay Jacobs is nothing less than Suozzi's order-taker. He hasn't an opinion on anything except running the Dems patronage mill.

Jay Jacobs has no patronage to give. Suozzi controls all the jobs. Jay just holds all the soft money to transfer to Suozzi pet causes. Just look at Liz Botwin's contribution to FIXALBANY and you'll know who's the Top and who's the power bottom in the Suozzi-Jay Jacobs Domestic Partnership.

Yuppers 2
03-27-2005, 08:10 PM
Agreed

How much given?
03-27-2005, 11:47 PM
How much did she give? What about the other suozzi appointees - who else is on there? Who gave to his other candidates who he ran last November?

She Gave at the Office
03-28-2005, 12:12 AM
Charles Schwab
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:50 pm



Contributor Amt Contr. Date Filing Year Recipient Sched Office Dist


BOTWIN, ELIZABETH
34 GREYSTONE RD.
ROCKVILLE CENTR, NY 11570
200.00 08-JUL-04 2004
FIX ALBANY.COM A N/A N/A





NEEDING NODOZZZZZZ
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:22 am



Liz - you wasted your money. Go to the web page, it hasn't been updated in months. Also note that your torch bearer Chuck Levine voted for Shelly Silver as leader, and "I'm gonna change things" Chuck is hiding under a rock cause he made some key initial mistakes, and is scared to even pull to the side at the Albany exit on the thruway.
Also no surprise Tom" I loose my place so easily" doesn't even talk about "fixalbany" anymore.
Of course now its the "new surbubia"..for now.
When will everyone wake up!



ZZZZ Tops
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:18 pm


I guess Ms. Botwin's political judgment is almost as good as her oversight judgment must have been when she was Bureau Chief of Real Estate Tax and Condemnation in the Corporation Counsel's Office and 16 of the City's real estate tax assessors were cheating the City of New York out of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenues due to bribes, racketeering, and corruption over the course of twenty years.

Remember Me
03-28-2005, 01:33 PM
Previous Poster Writes:

"Of course now its the "new surbubia"..for now.
When will everyone wake up!"


Hmmm, how long did it take voters to "wake up" to GOP corruption, scandal, patronage, favortism, malfeasance and misgovernance?

Go back to sleep, like the rest of us!

03-28-2005, 06:14 PM
Mr. Jacobs is not a Catholic and cannot be expected to understand the true depth of a religiously motivated right to lifer's convictions on an issue like abortion."

Being Catholic does not automatically entitle you to a deeper sense of conviction about the abortion issue. In fact, many Catholics support abortion rights (mostly in silence). It also implies that somehow non-Catholics do not hold deeply held opinions about abortion.

I don't see why Dillon's position on abortion would prevent the Dems from endorsing him. First off, abortion is legal in NY and nothing within Dillon's power can change that; so he can talk all he wants about how he is against abortion but so what? Secondly, there are Democrats who are opposed to abortion, just as there are Republicans who support it. Your position on this issue is not necessarily linked to one political party or another, despite everyone's best effort to do so. Thirdly, abortion isn't a wedge issue like it is at the national level. Local politics are more about taxes, development, crime, etc. I would not say Dillon is a vocal advocate on this issue, nor should he be. It's odd that this would become a reason for not endorsing him.

Clearly, Dillon is popular and respected. I don't see how it hurts the Suozzi Dems to endorse him, especially when they don't have a viable candidate to run against him. If Dillon is the best man for the job, why endorse someone else? If anything, it shows that the Dems have a willingness to reach across the aisle and show some sense of bi-partisanship (albeit small).

Guest is on Drugs
03-28-2005, 11:21 PM
Mr. Jacobs is not a Catholic and cannot be expected to understand the true depth of a religiously motivated right to lifer's convictions on an issue like abortion."

Being Catholic does not automatically entitle you to a deeper sense of conviction about the abortion issue. In fact, many Catholics support abortion rights (mostly in silence). It also implies that somehow non-Catholics do not hold deeply held opinions about abortion.

I don't see why Dillon's position on abortion would prevent the Dems from endorsing him. First off, abortion is legal in NY and nothing within Dillon's power can change that; so he can talk all he wants about how he is against abortion but so what? Secondly, there are Democrats who are opposed to abortion, just as there are Republicans who support it. Your position on this issue is not necessarily linked to one political party or another, despite everyone's best effort to do so. Thirdly, abortion isn't a wedge issue like it is at the national level. Local politics are more about taxes, development, crime, etc. I would not say Dillon is a vocal advocate on this issue, nor should he be. It's odd that this would become a reason for not endorsing him.

Clearly, Dillon is popular and respected. I don't see how it hurts the Suozzi Dems to endorse him, especially when they don't have a viable candidate to run against him. If Dillon is the best man for the job, why endorse someone else? If anything, it shows that the Dems have a willingness to reach across the aisle and show some sense of bi-partisanship (albeit small).


Dillon was driven out of the Democratic Party initially because of his anti-abortion views. The Democratic Party is the party of "choice." This is a bedrock issue for NYS Democrats. There is no way to putz out of this one. If Jay Jacobs tries to play cute with Dillon for some kind of "ballot position" advantage, he faces the problem that the Conservative Party would face if it endorses Tom Suozzi. The true believers are going to leave in droves. You lose your ideological core voters. These moves only make sense in Herr Suozzi's mind, because he thinks he can get traditional Irish Catholics to support him because he's a Chaminade guy. It's that shallow

And no. A non-Catholic cannot be expected to understand the convictions of a hardcore Charismatic Renewal type like Dillon. Deep evangical Catholicism has to be experienced to be understood, even ordinary Catholics cannot be expected to understand where Dillon comes from, unless they have some charismatic training. Jay Jacobs needs to attend some charismatic masses, read Thomas Merton and Fulton J. Sheen, picket an abortion clinic, and call me in the morning!

:lol:

guest2
03-30-2005, 05:42 PM
Catholic Charismatic Renewal is a spiritual movement that has existed within the Catholic Church since 1967. It emphasises the availability of the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit for all, and encourages a close personal relationship with Jesus.

CCR originated when some Catholics experienced the presence and power of God working in a new and deeper way in their lives. This experience of God, which they described as being “baptised in the Spirit,” drew them into a far deeper spiritual life than before. They wanted to give their lives more fully to God. They experienced his love more deeply, and appreciated even more deeply the spiritual riches to be found in the Catholic Church.

Those who experience this deeper infilling, or new outpouring, of God’s Spirit usually begin to discover new spiritual gifts. Some of these are:

The Gift of Prophecy:
The ability to sense what God is saying to a group or an individual, and to pass on that message. This usually takes the form of encouragement, comfort, hope or exhortation.

The Gift of Praying in Tongues:
This is a way of praying without words — a form of contemplative prayer that is very useful in personal prayer and in prayer ministry. It enables the person praying to focus on God without worrying about finding the right words.

Gifts of Healing:
There seem to be a variety of gifts given by the Spirit to enable people to be instruments of God’s healing through prayer.

No wonder the Dems aren't running against Dillon.

Disgruntled Taxpayer I
03-30-2005, 11:59 PM
Good post Guest2. Since you understand the movement, you must definitely understand that telling Dillon he has to "cut the abortion stuff" if you want the Democratic line is not an acceptable offer. In fact, it was a stupid thing to propose all together, and just shows the world that Jay Jacobs is a fool, if the newspaper account is accurate.

Dillon still has Jay's
05-24-2005, 11:47 PM
Cross Endorsement.

Jay Jacob's failed to effect the open cross endorsement of DD, so instead DD best friend recruited a Republican from Philadelphia to primary the Democrat Kouril.

Rice is just a cut out for Dillon.

Abortionist for You
05-25-2005, 10:01 PM
Abortion is not an issue in the DA's race.