Layoffs Coming

[BumpNRetreat]

todays newsday reports on $100M in unspecified labor concessions for 2011.
Rather than letting NIFA in, CSEA and Mangano have likely struck a deal to reopen the contract. Layoffs and title elimination will happen like they did in the 90's. Those on the high end of the pay scale, single titles and recent hires should be very worried.

[Park Bench]

Promises, promises

[Unregistered743fdw]

someone said that our union rep told him that lists are being made

[Unregistered112]

Mangano is going after the County workforce. His plan calls for savings of $60m in '11, $120m in '12 and $120m in '13.

All high wage earners are being told to go this year and take the incentive, but this is as good as it gets.

[Unregisteredrewterere]

Stop stirring sh1t up. The union has a no-layoff clause in the contract.

[Dry Wit]

There still are some highly paid titles that are available for Mangano to cut. Let him ask Civil Service for a list of 6 figure and up people in each of the departments, including Civil Service, who are in titles other than competitive. Then he should ask whether the particular individual's title is exempt, labor or non-competitive or other-and then determine if that person could be canned. If Mangano looks carefully, he could be surprised. There are plenty of non-union people who are not Republicans wandering around this County making big bucks who could be canned.

[CSEA11111]

Mangano won by a few hundred votes and there's no reason to believe the next election won't be just as close. He's screws the union with layoffs, he hurts his chances for reelection and the Republican's chances to maintain control of the county. He works out a reasonable compromise with the union that avoids layoffs and he's got a shot at getting the 90% of the union vote he got last time.

Members showed last year they were more than willing to work with the county to avoid layoffs and so far Mangano's people have been respectful of the union people, unlike the last group of hacks.

Mangano needs to keep a good relationship so Jerry and the rank-and-file are willing to work with him to get through any financial problems.

Given current conditions though, any member who can take the state incentive and doesn't is foolish.

[quoting jerry l]

He can't even manage to clear his own county attorney's office out and those people have no protections whatsover.

He's just pissing everyone off - from the people that supported him to the people who want jobs to the civil servants who have jobs and want management gone. Want the appointees out.

Quoting Jerry Laricchiuta, President CSEA, in this week's LI Press: "To complete the job you need to make a change in management there... our workers are as disgruntled as you can get because of poor management and bully management"

He was talking about Cedar Creek but it applies equally everywhere - the county was run by poorly skilled managerial bullies who seem "nice" now because they got their best foot forward knowing but once they know they're secure again - the same old devil horns coming out.

Jerry gets it right.

[679ihgujl]

Stop stirring sh1t up. The union has a no-layoff clause in the contract.

Read what the original poster wrote. CSEA and mangano both want to avoid NIFA so CSEA will likley agree to open the contract, including the no layoff clause.

[Unregistered 98098]

Stop stirring sh1t up. The union has a no-layoff clause in the contract.

Maybe, but by eliminating job's = termination,, should be interesting let the bumping begin.

[Unregistered567]

Read what the original poster wrote. CSEA and mangano both want to avoid NIFA so CSEA will likley agree to open the contract, including the no layoff clause.

They can still furlough rather than layoff

[probprob]

get rid of employment counselors at DSS and Probation who earn over 100k a year to sit around and look through the paper for jobs for scum

[CASA not needed]

Why do we need casa? Or minority affairs for that matter?

[Fire em all]

Fire everyone. Dump the slackers. Let them collect unemployment and let the illegals do the job for half the price. Who care about the hard working residents of Nassau County. Bunch of bumbs we all are. We should be spitting on ourselves for wanting to make an honest living and raise our children well. Shame on us. We should all just sit on the beach and cry in our beers.

[Levy's Neighbor]

Do the Non-Residents B-xB-xB-xB-xB-x. According to Civil Service law.

[JaneD-Amico]

The layoffs are coming. you should have voted for me. Fat Jerry is in bed with mango. Boy, that is a disgusting image. kinda puts a new spin on last in B-xB-xB-xB-xB-x out, doesnt it?

[Unregistered 7805]

Now that Paterson is proposing early retirement incentives like in 2002.

Half of the County will be leaving anyway!

[Unregistered335]

Close the african american museum.

[decemberholdovers]

To those suozzi put into civil service lines in december: B-Bye!

sorry, skippy!

[last day for MB at Dss]

Better pay attention. Probation for MB's civil service job ends any day. if she isnt terminated soon she's at dss forever.

[adios skippy]

To those suozzi put into civil service lines in december: B-Bye!

sorry, skippy!

adois skippy!

[Park Bench]

I certainly can think of a few more

[not so civil service]

Karen Kugal-Goodman and Ray Stefanowitz...Mangano dumped them this week

[Unregisteredwherewasshe]

Where was KKG?

[JillyBean]

Office of Housing & Intergovernmental Affairs: 40 Main Street, Hempstead.

[Imhoff]

Better pay attention. Probation for MB's civil service job ends any day. if she isnt terminated soon she's at dss forever.

If Imhop likes her she stays. Mangano takes his directions from the managers he failed to dump. Get used to it. MANY appointees survive.

[BOLO]

There still are some highly paid titles that are available for Mangano to cut. Let him ask Civil Service for a list of 6 figure and up people in each of the departments, including Civil Service, who are in titles other than competitive. Then he should ask whether the particular individual's title is exempt, labor or non-competitive or other-and then determine if that person could be canned. If Mangano looks carefully, he could be surprised. There are plenty of non-union people who are not Republicans wandering around this County making big bucks who could be canned.

Why is John Kelly still around? And..who does Brad DICKson supervise? What about Kevin Lowrey?

[Scarred]

I have been told that management is making lists already. I don't think the union will help us since they want NIFA to stay out as much as mangano. They are in bed together and it is us who will get screwed.

[Ass backwards]

I have been told that management is making lists already. I don't think the union will help us since they want NIFA to stay out as much as mangano. They are in bed together and it is us who will get screwed.

Management making out termination lists - that's a laugh since the managment for most bureaus in alot of agencies still hasnt been changed out. nnnnn they gotta get rid of managment & put their own people in. Then they can make all the lists they want.

Ass backwards.

[Lists]

I have been told that management is making lists already. I don't think the union will help us since they want NIFA to stay out as much as mangano. They are in bed together and it is us who will get screwed.

Lists are incomplete - many people that should be on it aren't are in and because so many middle managers from the old administration survive, they are fighting every name on the list & the upper echelin are still taking their calls & letting them burst into their office & telling em what to do. Lists mean nothing. They keep getting made & then people keep getting removed. People get fired and then they get rehired. The people who deserve no respect are getting attention. Just because someone looks good on paper doesn't mean they can do anything.

But internal strife continues. New people are being made miserable because they are reporting to the old administrators who are fighting to keep their buddies in jobs.

[FaTbASjERRY]

Dont trust the union. they're only going to save themselves with these lists

[CooksRcrooks]

Dont trust the union. they're only going to save themselves with these lists

I agree. Newsday had a story last week that the union reps were sent to Nassau in the BAHAMAS....all expenses paid on OUR dime. I've heard the same chatter in my department about lists being made and titles being eliminated. I do not think for a second that CSEA is going to fight the GOP Mangano. Jerry is a former GOP ward steward you know. They are going to go along with what mangano wants because they both want to avoid NIFA. This is going to be like the 90s

[makes good sense]

I agree. Newsday had a story last week that the union reps were sent to Nassau in the BAHAMAS....all expenses paid on OUR dime. I've heard the same chatter in my department about lists being made and titles being eliminated. I do not think for a second that CSEA is going to fight the GOP Mangano. Jerry is a former GOP ward steward you know. They are going to go along with what mangano wants because they both want to avoid NIFA. This is going to be like the 90s

Ordinary union rank filers also hate the Suozzi hacks who hid in civil service titles. Why should a high paid Suozzi hack remain on the dole when a real union family is threatened with a lay off? Best move for the unions is to deal plainly with Mangano, tell his people which titles are unnecessary, and agree to eliminate them. You also get to retain people who actually perform essential services. It's a win for the union. A win for Mangano. A win for the people. A loss for Tom Suozzi.

[Uncoolunion]

I agree. Newsday had a story last week that the union reps were sent to Nassau in the BAHAMAS....all expenses paid on OUR dime. I've heard the same chatter in my department about lists being made and titles being eliminated. I do not think for a second that CSEA is going to fight the GOP Mangano. Jerry is a former GOP ward steward you know. They are going to go along with what mangano wants because they both want to avoid NIFA. This is going to be like the 90s

So true. Jerry, Ron, Ryan, all a bunch of losers. They don't care about the membership. They care about what they can get and what they can get for their friends. They spend tons of time getting their buddies promoted when its a fact that they can't pass a test. Change the rules, get them in provisionally. They are not about what is fair for the union. They are about grabbing whatever they can.

Vote them out when you get the chance.

[Stinkalot]

You all forget too quickly how most of your jobs were out for RFPs under Suozzi and the union went to bat to keep your jobs! The best thing to happen is the union and mangano work together. The way I see it YOU ARE THANKLESS CRYBABIES.........DO YOUR JOB AND STOP CRYING TO YOUR MOMMY AND WIFE

[Lessons from albany]

Pay close attention to what Mangano is watching unfold. Layoffs are a fact. Fat Jerry isn't going to be able to help.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/dave_threatens_cutting_jobs_post_1tOJ99aBo1pSe6O2L DnQ1J

Gov. Paterson threatens cutting 10K jobs

By FREDRIC U. DICKER and BRENDAN SCOTT Post Correspondents

Last Updated: 8:41 AM, May 17, 2010

Posted: 2:20 AM, May 17, 2010

ALBANY -- Gov. Paterson has put massive state employee layoffs "on the radar screen" after being told the no-layoff pledge he signed with public employee unions last year is not legally binding, The Post has learned.

The administration has estimated that up to 10,000 job cuts would be needed to reach the governor's target, an official said.

Paterson's new tack follows a federal court ruling last week that temporarily blocked his $30 million-a-week plan to put 100,000 workers on furlough.

Now, he's weighing pink slips if the furlough offensive fails in subsequent court hearings.

"Layoffs are on the radar screen," said a source.

A legislative source told The Post that Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver is "warming to layoffs" because the unions appear "inflexible toward any other workforce savings."

The Assembly and the Senate both endorsed Paterson's goal of $250 million in general workforce cuts in nonbinding budget resolutions passed in March.

But the governor and lawmakers remain deadlocked on how to close an estimated $9.2 billion deficit more than six weeks after the budget deadline passed.

Meanwhile, legislative leaders have told the governor they don't believe a "memorandum of understanding" the administration inked with unions in exchange for their endorsement of a less generous pension program is legally binding -- if only because it wasn't signed by Paterson.

The document signed July 22 by Paterson's deputy director for employee relations, John Currier, vows "no layoff or threat of layoff" until Dec. 31, 2010.

"Where in the law is [Currier] allowed to sign such a binding agreement?" one administration insider asked.

Leaders of the Civil Service Employees Association and the Public Employees Federation contend the pledge is ironclad. They argue a state judge ruled as much in March, when the court granted the CSEA a temporary injunction against 18 layoffs at state mental-health facilities.

Paterson settled out of court, and the question was never fully resolved.

He is expected to make a final decision on layoffs after a May 26 federal court hearing on the furlough issue.

A mass layoff would be one of the costliest ways to trim payroll, because the state must pay workers for back wages and unused leave.

"I'm going to wait until after the court's decision to go in that direction," Paterson said Thursday in a radio interview. "What we're saying is [furloughs are] the best way, we think, to handle this. Everybody takes a little hit so that some don't have to take the ultimate hit."

[Voteem out]

The fatties, Jerry and Ron, don't care about the union members. They are protected against layoffs or furloughs. They just get more and more for themselves and their friends. They get a stipend because they can't work OT. Yet they worked OT. They get cars, meals, jobs for friends, free golf on job time, and on and on.

[Unregisteredhome o]

let me enlighten you people to the fact that wheather or not the state/county has the $$, they don't want to pay you. nassau is famous for this. when times were good, they cried empty pockets, now times ain't so good, they cry empty pockets. its the same old song and dance. and now that they have everyone believing they are broke, they will NEVER AGAIN say that times are good. its just another way to f%@k the little guy in the pooper. believe it, cause' it's true. if they really didnt have the cash, then why are hundreds of political flunkies still on the payroll?? its all b.s.

[CSEA830]

The state CSEA dropped the ball by taking a hard line. You have to have your head up your butt not to realize the state is falling apart and Paterson gave the union an out by asking for some givebacks. State CSEA said sorry, we ain't giving up a damn thing so now Paterson and Silver are backed into a corner and will take a harder line that the public will support. It is almost impossible to imagine what the union bigwigs are thinking in Albany.

In the county we did what we had to do last year and moved on. If the county comes back to us again then maybe we need to give back again. It's not right for a union to allow members to lose their jobs if there's another option. The union big shots need to wake up and see what's happening in the real world. Any state employee who loses a job now because of leadership mistakes will join the long-term unemployed. In a private sector labor pool filled with unemployed people with good careers no one is choosing a long-term government employee.

[CSEA'r]

How many times has the union and its members gone back to negotiate when the times were good?

Our contract was garbage compared to the teachers. They refuse to take zeros for a year. They have big raises year after year. jWhat about us?

[1111]

County employees for the most part are not considered in the same league with teachers who have college degrees and master's degrees. With the exception of some professionals such as engineers, accountants and a few other classes, most CSEA county employees do not have college degrees and many have limited skills. The teachers also have a lot more pull politically and within the communities since they are educating kids.

You can't compare CSEA to the teachers union, but remember that we got a pretty good contract last time. We had to do some givebacks but a lot of the teachers are now freezing wages also.

All public servants in NYS are going to feel some pain in the years ahead because politicians have reached the breaking point on raising taxes. Be happy you're holding on to your job. I know an awful lot of people in the private sector who have lost theirs.

[Unregistered337]

When the gov't needs 100 BILLION for a new Jet fighter the money comes out of no where because special interests make a profit and people get paid off.

When it comes to paying salaries and pensions suddenly there is no money.

[DSSList]

There are rumors that lists of titles being targeted are being circulated by Ihop's minions. Is there any truth? Will they eliminate titles before laying off?

[CSEA'r]

County employees for the most part are not considered in the same league with teachers who have college degrees and master's degrees. With the exception of some professionals such as engineers, accountants and a few other classes, most CSEA county employees do not have college degrees and many have limited skills. The teachers also have a lot more pull politically and within the communities since they are educating kids.

You can't compare CSEA to the teachers union, but remember that we got a pretty good contract last time. We had to do some givebacks but a lot of the teachers are now freezing wages also.

All public servants in NYS are going to feel some pain in the years ahead because politicians have reached the breaking point on raising taxes. Be happy you're holding on to your job. I know an awful lot of people in the private sector who have lost theirs.

You are very wrong about the teachers taking wage freezes. They are getting 5-6% a year for the next 5 years. They are way over paid, yet it looks like the people of Nassau and Suffolk said YES to higher taxes.

I have a college degree, and so do most of the people I work with. There is no reason my salary should be 1/5 of what a teacher makes in a school district. Its time our union fights for us the way the teacher's union fights for them. Voting for teachers to maintain and increase salaries well in to the 6 figures in this economy was irrational -- yet THEIR UNION pulled it off. It surely is a precedent that the people of Nassau County voted yes to higher taxes. I guess it is all how you present your side. Now I need to get my raise NOW, not in 2014, so I can pay my increased school tax bill!

[ConcernedCSEA]

Bottom line is that if Mangano starts to talk layoffs he and the Republicans have to know they will pay a political price, just as Suozzi paid the price in a close election for treating us like dirt. It's one thing to ask for reasonable givebacks, another to threaten layoffs of career civil servants. Let him dump most of his people nnnnn and start saving now.

Anyway, all I'm hearing on this board is rumors. We're supposed to be good through 2011 and we'll start dealing with 2012 in another year.

[no more givebacks]

You are right about not supporting Mangano if he treats us the way suozzi did. However, the people spoke loud and clear tonite. Residents like to complain about taxes, but they really don't believe our taxes are too high. If they can give the schools an extra $800 - $1200 a year willingly, we can certainly raise the county portion of the tax bill an extra $200 per year to protect the county workers and services. Its not the county portion of the general tax bill that's really high, it is the school portion. Yet, people really don't seem to mind. Tonite is proof positive.

[no more givebacks reply]

Tell that to Mangano who got almost every union vote, cut out an energy tax worth $30 or $40 million and has pledged not to raise County property taxes. All the cops and CSEA people I know hated Suozzi and voted for Mangano, but at least that prick did not resort to layoffs and had plans in place for producing some additional county revenue with small tax increases and the energy tax.

At the end of his four year budget in 2012 and 13 Mangano has put in black and white that he expects $120 million of savings in labor concessions and early retirements. That includes the cops and CSEA. Aren't you glad you voted for Mangano?

[NO APPLAUSE]

There are rumors that lists of titles being targeted are being circulated by Ihop's minions. Is there any truth? Will they eliminate titles before laying off?

That's the problem. The Suozzi hacks are still in positions of power throughout the County & the only "hacks" they've listed to fire are the republican hacks who kissed their ass for the last 8 years. The hacks they hired over the last 8 years aren't being fired - at most- being allowed to retire on the taxpayers dime and at the expense of loyal republicans who got thrown under the bus when it came time for jobs to be doled out.

Was it me - or were the applause almost non-existent when Mangano got up to speak at Mondello's annual fundraiser yesterday?

[Unregisteredoneanddone]

You are very wrong about the teachers taking wage freezes. They are getting 5-6% a year for the next 5 years. They are way over paid, yet it looks like the people of Nassau and Suffolk said YES to higher taxes.

I have a college degree, and so do most of the people I work with. There is no reason my salary should be 1/5 of what a teacher makes in a school district. Its time our union fights for us the way the teacher's union fights for them. Voting for teachers to maintain and increase salaries well in to the 6 figures in this economy was irrational -- yet THEIR UNION pulled it off. It surely is a precedent that the people of Nassau County voted yes to higher taxes. I guess it is all how you present your side. Now I need to get my raise NOW, not in 2014, so I can pay my increased school tax bill!

Yeah, but at least you CSEA people get your free, county provided, Poland Spring water bottles again. I can't believe the perks you get and then still complain about the taxpayers not doing enough for you.

[A CSEA worker]

I work at 240 and we do not have free water!

[Unregistered33]

Tell that to Mangano who got almost every union vote, cut out an energy tax worth $30 or $40 million and has pledged not to raise County property taxes. All the cops and CSEA people I know hated Suozzi and voted for Mangano, but at least that prick did not resort to layoffs and had plans in place for producing some additional county revenue with small tax increases and the energy tax.

At the end of his four year budget in 2012 and 13 Mangano has put in black and white that he expects $120 million of savings in labor concessions and early retirements. That includes the cops and CSEA. Aren't you glad you voted for Mangano?

Yes I am!

[TheStink]

I Am Too......you Little Cry Baby!!

[CSEA'r]

Yeah, but at least you CSEA people get your free, county provided, Poland Spring water bottles again. I can't believe the perks you get and then still complain about the taxpayers not doing enough for you.

We don't get free water as CSEA members. Elected Officials get water coolers for their offices or departments only - their choosing. But, I don't know why you consider having a water cooler such a big perk. Most offices do.

We gave up so much financially for the taxpayers -- why are they complaining about us?

[H20]

We don't get free water as CSEA members. Elected Officials get water coolers for their offices or departments only - their choosing. But, I don't know why you consider having a water cooler such a big perk. Most offices do.

We gave up so much financially for the taxpayers -- why are they complaining about us?

There are water purifying units in the Uniondale DSS building but that's because the water plume down the street is contaminated with PCB's and other cancer causing agents. Strange thing is the cafeteria still uses tap water for their coffee. hmmm

[Unregistered09jkh]

If Mangano does layoffs he will be a one term County Executive.

I hope someone reminds him that the CSEA members votes were what pushed him over the edge to beat Souzzi by a small margin of votes. CSEA members were PISSED OFF that when the ink barely dried on the latest contract, Suozzi wanted layoffs, furloughs, and ended up settling with a lag payroll. They showed their anger at the Polls.

[xdcfvyguhinjmokp,l]

If Mangano does layoffs he will be a one term County Executive.

I hope someone reminds him that the CSEA members votes were what pushed him over the edge to beat Souzzi by a small margin of votes. CSEA members were PISSED OFF that when the ink barely dried on the latest contract, Suozzi wanted layoffs, furloughs, and ended up settling with a lag payroll. They showed their anger at the Polls.

F Mango. Suozzi is still ruining the county....his unqualified hacks are still running things.

[Park Bench]

Actions speak louder than words......Mangano is a man of NO action.....so many empty promises

[fyrftr1]

If Mangano does layoffs he will be a one term County Executive.

I hope someone reminds him that the CSEA members votes were what pushed him over the edge to beat Souzzi by a small margin of votes. CSEA members were PISSED OFF that when the ink barely dried on the latest contract, Suozzi wanted layoffs, furloughs, and ended up settling with a lag payroll. They showed their anger at the Polls.


I believe the fire departments won him the election. Not the idiot people who work for the county.

[NYFA]

Did you read todays snoozeday? The layoffs are a fact.

[Park Bench]

I will believe it when I see it

[Unregistered1111]

I believe the fire departments won him the election. Not the idiot people who work for the county.

A vollie calling someone else an idiot? Now that's funny. And no, the fire folks did not win Mangano the election. Nicetry with your amusing little theory, though.

[To*Silly*Willy]

I believe the fire departments won him the election. Not the idiot people who work for the county.

With one broad sweep you paint all county emps as 'idiots'. Nice. You need to get over failing the civil service test and move on Bubba.

Lets see what reductions the incentive produces before saying layoffs are imminent.

[Hey Vollie]

Did you learn that in shop class?
see you around the neighborhood. by the way your wife is getting old.

[Park Bench]

Gee no one is commenting on the forth coming Layoffs?? Oh yeah thats right...there are NO layoffs coming, this is Mangano we're talk about....he doesn't know how to get rid of the worker that do nothing but collect a paycheck