Can someone tell me what these guys were charges with?

[Booster Bobby]

UPDATED: 10:23 am EST March 14, 2005

NESCONSET, N.Y. -- Two men are being charged with stealing more than $1,000 worth of ink cartridges from a Costco Store in Nesconset, Long Island.

Suffolk County police said Costco store security saw two men cutting open packages of computer ink cartridges and putting them in their clothes. The two men were stopped at the door and a fight broke out.

Suffolk County police arrived and arrested the two. They are identified as 42-year-old William Wade, of Brooklyn, and 51-year-old Ray Williams, of Freeport, Long Island.

Police said both men have long records and are suspects in similar thefts in other stores.

[Here You Are]

S 155.30 Grand larceny in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of grand larceny in the fourth degree when he
steals property and when:
1. The value of the property exceeds one thousand dollars; or
2. The property consists of a public record, writing or instrument
kept, filed or deposited according to law with or in the keeping of any
public office or public servant; or
3. The property consists of secret scientific material; or
4. The property consists of a credit card or debit card; or
5. The property, regardless of its nature and value, is taken from the
person of another; or
6. The property, regardless of its nature and value, is obtained by
extortion; or
7. The property consists of one or more firearms, rifles or shotguns,
as such terms are defined in section 265.00 of this chapter; or
8. The value of the property exceeds one hundred dollars and the
property consists of a motor vehicle, as defined in section one hundred
twenty-five of the vehicle and traffic law, other than a motorcycle, as
defined in section one hundred twenty-three of such law; or
9. The property consists of a scroll, religious vestment, vessel or
other item of property having a value of at least one hundred dollars
kept for or used in connection with religious worship in any building or
structure used as a place of religious worship by a religious
corporation, as incorporated under the religious corporations law or the
education law.
10. The property consists of an access device which the person intends
to use unlawfully to obtain telephone service.
Grand larceny in the fourth degree is a class E felony.

[More Questions]

S 155.30 Grand larceny in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of grand larceny in the fourth degree when he
steals property and when:
1. The value of the property exceeds one thousand dollars; or
.
Grand larceny in the fourth degree is a class E felony.

Grand Larceny 4th degree is what, an appearance ticket? ROR?

[Here You Are]

Basically:

Felonies are classified into five categories for sentencing purposes. A, B, C, D, and E (A is the most serious, E the lowest). Felonies are distinguished by being punishable by terms of imprisonment in excess of one year. Misdemeanors are punishable by terms of imprisonment of no more than one year.

This is in no way to imply that felonies in fact draw sentences of more than a year, only that they may be sentenced that long. Also, the judges are constantly lumping the sentences they hand out together (running concurrently) so that the offender in effect gets to pay for one crime and get the rest of his crimes "free"! It's absolutely astounding to look at!

Both of these "gentlemen" were arrested, arraigned and remanded to the Suffolk County Jail. One has paid bail and is out, one has not, the last I heard.

[bumper car]

Suffolk County police said Costco store security saw two men cutting open packages of computer ink cartridges and putting them in their clothes. The two men were stopped at the door and a fight broke out.


Hmmm....two guys get caught stealing property and a fight breaks out.

Sounds like a 2nd degree robbery to me.

2 or more people acting in concert forcibly take property belonging to another person, causing physical injury, should be a robbery

2 or more people acting in concert forcibly take property belonging to another person, causing physical injury, should be a robbery
2nd i meant

[Here You Are]

Yes, it does seem like the charges could have / should have been different. The question was what they were charged with.

Williams - 4 counts GL4, 1 Petit Larceny

Wade - 3 counts GL4, 1 Petit Larceny, 1 Possession of Burglary Tools, and 1 Possession of a Hypodermic Instrument

Yes, it does seem like the charges could have / should have been different. The question was what they were charged with.

Williams - 4 counts GL4, 1 Petit Larceny

Wade - 3 counts GL4, 1 Petit Larceny, 1 Possession of Burglary Tools, and 1 Possession of a Hypodermic Instrument
The squads in suffolk are notorious for downplaying larcenies w/ force or threat of force, from robberies to larcenies.

It's not a Robbery the property was already taken. The use of force came after these dopes had the property in their possession. I still would have charged them with robbery, only to be knocked down by our wonderful court system!

According to case law, the use of force to retain property while attempting to flee is a ROBBERY.

It's not a Robbery the property was already taken. The use of force came after these dopes had the property in their possession. I still would have charged them with robbery, only to be knocked down by our wonderful court system
Not quite there skippy;160.00 Robbery; defined.
Robbery is forcible stealing. A person forcibly steals property and
commits robbery when, in the course of committing a larceny, he uses or
threatens the immediate use of physical force upon another person for
the purpose of:

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************* 1. Preventing or overcoming resistance to the taking of the property or to the retention thereof immediately after the taking; or********************************

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2. Compelling the owner of such property or another person to deliver
up the property or to engage in other conduct which aids in the
commission of the larceny.

[JimJam]

If they were fighting the security guard to get away with the stolen property, it should have been a robbery, regardless if they already made it out of the store.

[bumper car]

The squads in suffolk are notorious for downplaying larcenies w/ force or threat of force, from robberies to larcenies.

I can see downgrading crimes where there are no arrests, yet not when there are arrests made. Especially for robbery. Who cares what the DA charges? These guys should have been charged with a violent felony...ala Robb 2nd.

[Guest67]

May be you should go back and read the Law. The law I read says it is a Robbery. LONG time out of ACADEMY?

Its so sad that you assho*** in Sffolk County make the kind of money you do and none of you knows the Penal Law. Take $7.95 and purchase a copy.

[robber eee]

forcible stealing = robbery

forcible stealing = robbery
It actually depends when the force was used. IF the civilians stopped the perps and the perps initially complied, they were under civilian arrest. At that time their attempt to flee is over.
If the perps decided to leave after being in their custody and fights his way out, it should be larceny/harrassment.
If the property was recovered,prior to the fight, its not a robbery.If it is two separate actions, it isnt a robbery.

Its so sad that you assho*** in Sffolk County make the kind of money you do and none of you knows the Penal Law. Take $7.95 and purchase a copy.
Its sad that you have trouble with simple spelling, yet are advising us on the Penal Law. Save your 7.50 since you dont make scpd type money and use the free dictionary online. Then come back with the proper spelling of Suffolk.

Its so sad that you assho*** in Sffolk County make the kind of money you do and none of you knows the Penal Law. Take $7.95 and purchase a copy.
Its sad that you have trouble with simple spelling, yet are advising us on the Penal Law. Save your 7.50 since you dont make scpd type money and use the free dictionary online. Then come back with the proper spelling of Suffolk.
thats funny. actually I'm sure the officers who answered the call got it right, posting it here you'll get 100 opinions, but if we none of us were at the scene, its guess work, we dont know the specifics of the case. its only robbery if force was used to escape prior to arrest,or prior to the owner recovering the property, after arrest or recovering the property, the force used to escape is a harrassment or assault .

Its so sad that you assho*** in Sffolk County make the kind of money you do and none of you knows the Penal Law. Take $7.95 and purchase a copy.
Its sad that you have trouble with simple spelling, yet are advising us on the Penal Law. Save your 7.50 since you dont make scpd type money and use the free dictionary online. Then come back with the proper spelling of Suffolk.
thats funny. actually I'm sure the officers who answered the call got it right, posting it here you'll get 100 opinions, but if we none of us were at the scene, its guess work, we dont know the specifics of the case. its only robbery if force was used to escape prior to arrest,or prior to the owner recovering the property, after arrest or recovering the property, the force used to escape is a harrassment or assault .
yes, at least one guy got it right!