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SC Resident
03-10-2005, 08:28 AM
Article in today's Paper:
Top cop to quit private post
Levy tells Suffolk commissioner to stop working as security consultant for his former employer; legislators surprised by revelation
March 10, 2005
Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy has ordered Police Commissioner Richard Dormer to end a consulting agreement he continued with his former employer - Sports Plus in Lake Grove - after moving to head the 2,700-officer department last year.
"When I found out, I told him to end any affiliation with the organization," Levy said. "From an appearance perspective, it's the best not to have such ties."
The police commissioner, who worked as security chief for Sports Plus for about seven years after retiring from the department in 1992, said in an interview he will end the agreement at month's end.
Levy said he only learned from Dormer of his business arrangement last week after the commissioner confirmed to Newsday that he had an ongoing "month-to-month agreement" with the company. Dormer declined to say how much the agreement pays and executives at Sports Plus did not return calls for comment.
Dormer, who holds a state private investigator's license, said his agreement permitted Sports Plus to use his license to hire security personnel rather than use an outside security firm. He said his agreement involved no other duties. "I didn't do anyting improper or illegal and they didn't get any special favors from me," Dormer said.
Dormer earlier drew fire when it was revealed that he was receiving both his $115,000 a year police salary and a $67,000-a-year state pension.
Legis. Angie Carpenter (R-West Islip), chairwoman of the public safety committee, said she was "shocked" to learn of Dormer's outside job, particularly when he indicated a day earlier he was too busy to attend all committee meetings. "How can he do that when he is such a 24-7 police commissioner?"
Legis. Cameron Alden (R-Islip) said that the police commissioner should have disclosed his ongoing consultant role when he was confirmed as commissioner last year. "If you are going to err it should be on the side of disclosure," he said.
Dormer said that he listed his business relationship with Sports Plus last May in his financial disclosure form filed with the county Ethics Commission. But commission chairman Richard Johannesen said that until recently the board lacked the staff for review.
Dormer has not responded to a separate executive order Levy issued last December directing the county's top managers to disclose any outside business relationships. Levy issued the order after his predecesor's real estate director Allan Grecco did private title work while in office for a developer who sold land to the county.
Edward Dumas, Levy's spokesman, said the county executive thought Dormer had "severed all ties" with Sports Plus when he became commissioner. "He was not pleased to find out that he had an ongoing business relationship," he said.
intolerable
03-10-2005, 12:29 PM
Just as we don't want our Police taking a free cup of coffee, or our teachers accepting free "educational" travel junkets, it's abhorrent that our Police Commissioner was accepting a "consulting fee", from a private company in suffolk...especially when he admittedly didn't have to actually do any work to receive payment!
Is this what Mr. Levy intended when he founded the "stop corruption" party that got him so may votes in 2003? What other secrets is Team Levy hiding from us? What kind of example is this setting? What happened to Levy's ethics director?
SCPD PATROL 3
03-10-2005, 01:06 PM
What is going on with the Baranello and Prospect cases??
SC Resident
03-10-2005, 01:27 PM
What is going on with the Baranello and Prospect cases??
Not sure.. But I know what is behind your question...
Spota has Levy right where he wants him. I don't think anything is going to come out. Spota can get anything he wants because he knows he can end a Political career in about 30 seconds.
Just as we don't want our Police taking a free cup of coffee, or our teachers accepting free "educational" travel junkets, it's abhorrent that our Police Commissioner was accepting a "consulting fee", from a private company in suffolk...especially when he admittedly didn't have to actually do any work to receive payment!
Is this what Mr. Levy intended when he founded the "stop corruption" party that got him so may votes in 2003? What other secrets is Team Levy hiding from us? What kind of example is this setting? What happened to Levy's ethics director?
Actually do you even understand the issue. The fee was for the use of his private investigator license and he had disclosed ot to the Board of Ethics. Just because the Board of Ethics was too stupid not to read their own forms, is no reason to be upset with the commissioner. Be upset with the inept Board of Ethics.
verybad
03-10-2005, 02:15 PM
The above poster thinks the fault lies with the understaffed, underfunded, smoke and mirrors ethics commission. What about this statement:
"Dormer has not responded to a separate executive order Levy issued last December directing the county's top managers to disclose any outside business relationships"
Why didn't the commissioner disclose this during his public safety confirmation? Why didn't he mention it to his boss (Levy)? Why didn't he disclose it pursuant to the above exec order?
I'll tell you why: He obviously knew that it wouldn't look good, but wanted to collect another salary. There is no other reason. This is an OBVIOUS CONFLICT AND EXPRESSION OF POOR JUDGEMENT ON THE PART OF MR. DORMER.
It isn't good enough for a public official to hide behind the sentiment "well...I buried it in my ethics forms, and you guys should have uncovered it yourselves".
I'll bet this is a first step that the C/E is taking to get rid of RD, and he'll probably be out of the PC job b4 summer...Somethings going on behind closed doors and I think Steve no longer wants RD around. He's given him some bad press....The re-deploying fiasco isn't quite working out the way they hoped, and the legislature doesn't seem to care 4 him either....
lake grove patrol
03-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Just as we don't want our Police taking a free cup of coffee, or our teachers accepting free "educational" travel junkets, it's abhorrent that our Police Commissioner was accepting a "consulting fee", from a private company in suffolk...especially when he admittedly didn't have to actually do any work to receive payment!
Is this what Mr. Levy intended when he founded the "stop corruption" party that got him so may votes in 2003? What other secrets is Team Levy hiding from us? What kind of example is this setting? What happened to Levy's ethics director
Is this why we are asked to step up patrol on all 3 tours in that general area, when crime is at a all time low in that same area?
I did a midnite on o/t and the boss said ;'' do yourself a favor and make sure you check glass on new moriches road, at least twice tonite"
Anyone who holds a PI agency license can do this. It's been that way for years. There is nothing wrong or ilegal about it.
And get this, if you get hired by a PI agency, you have to be employed by the same agency for 3 years before you plunk down a huge wad of change to take the test.
BUT! If you are a police officer, you do not have to wait three whole years. You can take the test right away.
And getting a PI agency license is just the next step. So he's got the brains to use his profressional license to earn added income and you don't cause your all caught up in yourselves.
Either get with it or don't. Stay at the base level that you are because you do not have the smarts to move forward while allof you display pure jealousy. And be the smuck crying sob babies that you all are. You will all turn into bitter old fools living on a small pension, criping about high taxes and living on cat food. And that pension will be small when you reach retirement age.
lucky charms
03-11-2005, 12:09 AM
"Dormer said that he listed his business relationship with Sports Plus last May in his financial disclosure form filed with the county Ethics Commission. But commission chairman Richard Johannesen said that until recently the board lacked the staff for review. "
Above is a quote from Newsday. How stupid can this Richard Johannesen be ? You would think :D :lol: he was talking about the hiring of a janitor instead of the most important appointment the C.E. has had to make. They did not have the manpower until recently. This is the answer that is supposed to appease the public. How stupid do they think we the public be ? I be educated and I knows a lie when i hears one.
"Dormer said that he listed his business relationship with Sports Plus last May in his financial disclosure form filed with the county Ethics Commission. But commission chairman Richard Johannesen said that until recently the board lacked the staff for review. "
Above is a quote from Newsday. How stupid can this Richard Johannesen be ? You would think :D :lol: he was talking about the hiring of a janitor instead of the most important appointment the C.E. has had to make. They did not have the manpower until recently. This is the answer that is supposed to appease the public. How stupid do they think we the public be ? I be educated and I knows a lie when i hears one.
So Dickie Johanneson couldn't find the time since May to read the forms himself. How many County managers are required to file financial disclosure forms w/ the County? I'll throw out a number that I have no way of confirming. 100. Lets for arguments sake accept that the financial disclosure statement is maybe 3 pages long. So what we are to believe is that Dickie Johanneson personally is incapable of reading 300 pages in 10 months. I think we need to review how much and why we are paying anything for his services. More waste and fraud by another Levy appointee.
little dicky dormer, resign now. but before u go can u have another on of those wonderful breafasts at police hq where you charge us all $2.00 each for our bagel and coffee. you are an embarasmment to the dept.yourself andim sure your family resign now!!!!!i hear peace security is hiring consultants perfect for you
Anyone who holds a PI agency license can do this. It's been that way for years. There is nothing wrong or ilegal about it.
And get this, if you get hired by a PI agency, you have to be employed by the same agency for 3 years before you plunk down a huge wad of change to take the test.
BUT! If you are a police officer, you do not have to wait three whole years. You can take the test right away.
And getting a PI agency license is just the next step. So he's got the brains to use his profressional license to earn added income and you don't cause your all caught up in yourselves.
Either get with it or don't. Stay at the base level that you are because you do not have the smarts to move forward while allof you display pure jealousy. And be the smuck crying sob babies that you all are. You will all turn into bitter old fools living on a small pension, criping about high taxes and living on cat food. And that pension will be small when you reach retirement age.
You dont get it, its a issue of ethics, Dormer is running a Police Dept. he is not supposed to have any ties to any other job, especially one within the juridsdiction, inthe security field. For a regular Po we need clearance from H.Q. to work any second job,
A commissioner isnt allowed period.
As far as wanting to be a commish, no. Its a 4 year gig, civilian, especially if you work for levy. The cat food thing is cute, if things get so bad out here I'll just take my 70k pension sell my 500k home and live in my summer home in Virginia, or vice versa, considering both are paid for.
SCPD PATROL 3
03-11-2005, 10:04 AM
HMMM check on his "former" place of business. We're visible to his former bosses at Sports Plus. Sadly, because of his removal of sector cars on the midnights in the 2nd Pct, we're NOT visible to his neighbors. I guess he's keeping his options open in Sports Plus. I am waiting for the Public Safety Committee to flip out as to why he neglected that tidbit of info. during his confirmation hearings.
jackblack
03-12-2005, 02:09 AM
A question for the cops out there:
What is the procedure an officer must follow if they want to work a second job. I'm assuming you must get some sort of permission first...
Also, are you limited in what you are allowed to do? I always thought cops weren't allowed to work as security guards on the side.
[The cat food thing is cute, if things get so bad out here I'll just take my 70k pension sell my 500k home and live in my summer home in Virginia, or vice versa, considering both are paid for.
Even then, it will not be enough, back hills mountain man. Start clipping your coupons now. And prepare to be toothless.
Guest 26
03-12-2005, 12:12 PM
Another thought...
He makes $115,000 per year? Apparently a good haircut costs $116,000.
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-03/16631663.jpg
The cat food thing is cute, if things get so bad out here I'll just take my 70k pension sell my 500k home and live in my summer home in Virginia, or vice versa, considering both are paid for.
Even then, it will not be enough, back hills mountain man. Start clipping your coupons now. And prepare to be toothlessWhy? I have dental benes for life, my other options? Sell my boat, or my 67 stang, or let my wife work so that we clear 100k after I retire. Or sell my home for 500k and move into a ''middle class'' area, gulp, nah how about I just work another 10 years retire when I'm 54, collect 2/3 pension instead of 1/2? By then my kids kids will be out of college, my kids homes will be paid off, and I'll sit around all day and bore the world with how ez cops have it now compared to when I was in patrol.
lucky charms
03-13-2005, 12:51 AM
Another thought...
He makes $115,000 per year? Apparently a good haircut costs $116,000.
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-03/16631663.jpg
Excellent . I was thinking how bad that hair cut was . Very Funny
The cat food thing is cute, if things get so bad out here I'll just take my 70k pension sell my 500k home and live in my summer home in Virginia, or vice versa, considering both are paid for.
Even then, it will not be enough, back hills mountain man. Start clipping your coupons now. And prepare to be toothlessWhy? I have dental benes for life, my other options? Sell my boat, or my 67 stang, or let my wife work so that we clear 100k after I retire. Or sell my home for 500k and move into a ''middle class'' area, gulp, nah how about I just work another 10 years retire when I'm 54, collect 2/3 pension instead of 1/2? By then my kids kids will be out of college, my kids homes will be paid off, and I'll sit around all day and bore the world with how ez cops have it now compared to when I was in patrol.
Life may start out and run a course of what you make of it. But there are events that you will have no control over. One good earthquake or tidal wave and we're all seafood. Any financial account can go bust. Bubba Bush wants you to line his good buddies bank accounts with his vision of the new social security accounting pryamid scheme. And 9/11 was just the tip of the iceberg of things to come courtesy of a handful of nutbags armed with a simple boxcutter. Shit happens.
Life may start out and run a course of what you make of it. But there are events that you will have no control over. One good earthquake or tidal wave and we're all seafood. Any financial account can go bust. Bubba Bush wants you to line his good buddies bank accounts with his vision of the new social security accounting pryamid scheme. And 9/11 was just the tip of the iceberg of things to come courtesy of a handful of nutbags armed with a simple boxcutter. Shit happens
Right thats why I invested in 2 houses, paid them off, paid less than 200k for both, sell either for double.
My pension is state employee, aint going anywhere, I fully presumed soc. security to be gone when I planned my retirement, So I'm not concerned about it.
As far as life events you are right, any day could be the day, you dont have to remind us, we see and live it, as far as the nuts, bring 'em I'm willing to bet I got mo' bullets than they got bodies.
laddie boy
03-13-2005, 12:57 PM
Another thought...
He makes $115,000 per year? Apparently a good haircut costs $116,000.
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-03/16631663.jpg
Actually he makes over 200,000 per year with pension, and "Consultant " fees from Sports plus. Tricky Dick
" I'm not a crook "
ethics102
03-13-2005, 03:41 PM
Income and affiliations aside, Dormer is not breaking any laws by "consulting" for sports plus while working as PC. Is it a MAJOR breach of ethics? Absolutely. But it's not illegal.
With that said, someone beyond the Levy administration and his "ethics commission" should look into the past 14 months and ensure beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PC didn't give any benefits to sports plus based on this relationship. That means he should never have been seen there on county time, or have diverted any police resources/assets there. Once this is done, the whole issue can be put behind him and the Levy administration as written off as a lapse of good judgement.
History should be everyone's guide. Look at what the NYC department of investigations uncovered regarding former NYPD PC Kerick while he served under Gulliani. Levy has higer ambitions...he should order a thorough analysis be conducted by an outsider.
Income and affiliations aside, Dormer is not breaking any laws by "consulting" for sports plus while working as PC. Is it a MAJOR breach of ethics? Absolutely. But it's not illegal.
With that said, someone beyond the Levy administration and his "ethics commission" should look into the past 14 months and ensure beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PC didn't give any benefits to sports plus based on this relationship. That means he should never have been seen there on county time, or have diverted any police resources/assets there. Once this is done, the whole issue can be put behind him and the Levy administration as written off as a lapse of good judgement.
History should be everyone's guide. Look at what the NYC department of investigations uncovered regarding former NYPD PC Kerick while he served under Gulliani. Levy has higer ambitions...he should order a thorough analysis be conducted by an outsider
You mean like this;lake grove patrol
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:34 pm
Guest
Quote:
Just as we don't want our Police taking a free cup of coffee, or our teachers accepting free "educational" travel junkets, it's abhorrent that our Police Commissioner was accepting a "consulting fee", from a private company in suffolk...especially when he admittedly didn't have to actually do any work to receive payment!
Is this what Mr. Levy intended when he founded the "stop corruption" party that got him so may votes in 2003? What other secrets is Team Levy hiding from us? What kind of example is this setting? What happened to Levy's ethics director
Is this why we are asked to step up patrol on all 3 tours in that general area, when crime is at a all time low in that same area?
I did a midnite on o/t and the boss said ;'' do yourself a favor and make sure you check glass on new moriches road, at least twice tonite
hmmmm seems like that was answered 3 pages ago.
Get over it already
03-13-2005, 05:44 PM
[quote="Anonymous"]
As far as life events you are right, any day could be the day, you dont have to remind us, we see and live it, quote]
Your safer as a police officer than the girl in Dunkin Donuts. She's really the one in danger, "seeing it and living it every day" which, by the way, doesn't include 36 paid personal and sick days per year, or 5 weeks vacation, or shift differentials.
So get over you self-aggrandizing already. You ain't all that.
As predicted...Bye Bye DICK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who will be the next P/C ??? Let's look at the campaign contribution list..I'll guess either R.A.M. or R.P.
Put your boots on people, it's gonna get deep....
As far as life events you are right, any day could be the day, you dont have to remind us, we see and live it, quote]
Your safer as a police officer than the girl in Dunkin Donuts. She's really the one in danger, "seeing it and living it every day" which, by the way, doesn't include 36 paid personal and sick days per year, or 5 weeks vacation, or shift differentials.
So get over you self-aggrandizing already. You ain't all that
Ok, just think of all the daughters we see getting beat by their parents, and then we have to lock their chunky butts up.
Your safer as a police officer than the girl in Dunkin Donuts. She's really the one in danger, "seeing it and living it every day" which, by the way, doesn't include 36 paid personal and sick days per year, or 5 weeks vacation, or shift differentials
Quick question when this girl in dunkin donuts is in danger, gets robbed or assaulted, who is called?
The police, numnuts!!
Get real, very rare does someone go up to a cop and try to rob or rape him, but we are the ones to respond when that happens, every crime that occurs or every person that is hurt we respond, that is how I would imagine we see it and live it every day.
We dont get 36 sick and personal days either I only wish, try its around 20, nor have I ever taken off 5 weeks, and as far as the shift differential, its commonplace in most businesses.
Just wait, the next contract will run you right off the Island.
What even bothers me a little more is he had the balls to stop evryone from attending the former Commissioners retirement and Proclamation Day. Not to mention put a gag order for all not to talk about not being permited to attend. Meanwhile all the long he had his own dirty secrets. He should go with his litte buddy Steve and never return, between the 2 of them, they have ruined this Department and all its moral.
by the way, doesn't include 36 paid personal and sick days per year, or 5 weeks vacation, or shift differentials.
Gee I didnt even know we get all that, amazing how the trolls of suffolk know our contract better than we do, bit jeaulous?
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Gee I didnt even know we get all that, amazing how the trolls of suffolk know our contract better than we do, bit jeaulous?[/quote]
Certainly not JEALOUS of your spelling ability.
Gee I didnt even know we get all that, amazing how the trolls of suffolk know our contract better than we do, bit jeaulous?[/quote]
Certainly not JEALOUS of your spelling ability[/quote]
How about your use of the quote tool,Troll?
Let he who is without aim cast the first stone.
Gee I didnt even know we get all that, amazing how the trolls of suffolk know our contract better than we do, bit jeaulous?
Certainly not JEALOUS of your spelling ability
How about your use of the quote tool,Troll?
Let he who is without aim cast the first stone.
Your a tool. And I doubt a cop.
Anonymous wrote:
Quote:
Gee I didnt even know we get all that, amazing how the trolls of suffolk know our contract better than we do, bit jeaulous?
Certainly not JEALOUS of your spelling ability
How about your use of the quote tool,Troll?
Let he who is without aim cast the first stone.
Your a tool. And I doubt a cop.
So? who cares what you think?
troll
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