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Anthony7
03-03-2005, 12:17 PM
Black marks in blue
By ALISON GENDAR
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005

Hungry for new recruits, the NYPD is hiring applicants with arrest records and shoving others through without full background checks, the Daily News has learned.
In recent years, the Police Department has knowingly hired New Yorkers who have been charged with laundering drug money, assault, grand larceny and weapons possession, according to documents and sources familiar with the recruiting.

The News reviewed a February report by the city's Commission to Combat Police Corruption that details many of the problems. The report found:


One of every five probationary cops in the January 2003 Police Academy class who were reviewed by the commission should have been disqualified by NYPD hiring standards.

One of every four of the same group should have been more closely investigated because of "negative information" in their backgrounds.

Half of the cops may not have met the NYPD residency requirements. The department never completed a full check before the recruits were hired.

The NYPD often failed to conduct full background checks, such as interviewing ex-wives and girlfriends.
"We are hiring people to be cops who have no respect for the law," said former NYPD Sgt. Anthony Petroglia, who worked in the department's applicant processing division for nearly 10 years before retiring in 2002.

"We are hiring people who were charged with crimes that get you thrown off the force if you do them in uniform," he said. "All we are doing is buying trouble for the future."

The News obtained the paperwork of half a dozen troubling hires, who were allowed to join the force. They include:


A man who admits he shot up anabolic steroids for years.

A candidate fired from Macy's for allegedly stealing.

A recruit who was fired from a security job because he repeatedly failed to show up and was habitually late.
NYPD investigators flagged many of the questionable recruits because of their arrest records or shady past. But after a review, police brass welcomed them to the ranks of the Finest.

NYPD Chief of Personnel Rafael Pineiro said the cases reviewed by The News were carefully vetted and met department standards.

In each case, the recruit's arrests - which included robbery, weapons possession and assault - were dismissed or pleaded down to less serious violations.

"I feel comfortable with these cases," Pineiro said. "We have certain standards and we met them."

Pineiro rejected the city commission's contention that much of the Class of 2003 should have been disqualified. But he conceded that extensive residency checks - where investigators talk with neighbors of recruits - may not be finished when new hires enter the Police Academy. He added that investigators do interview neighbors by phone before a candidate is hired.

NYPD officials argued that the quality of recruits was improving. Pineiro said 58% of the Police Academy class have an associate's degree or better. In addition, 33,000 people took the NYPD test last year, the most since 1993.

"We have hired some 8,000 candidates in the past 3-1/2 years," Pineiro said. "A handful of questions out of 8,000 is not a problem."

There is little dispute the NYPD is experiencing a brain drain. More than 10,500 veteran cops have retired from the force since 2001. An additional 3,477 cops have quit over the same period, with many jumping to higher-paying police jobs.

Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said the NYPD will have to accept marginal recruits until the city gives cops a raise.

"Younger, well-qualified candidates are choosing other opportunities because they can't make a livable wage as aNew York City police officer," he said. "The result is people are becoming cops who should not."

Cops have been without a contract since August 2002.

NYPD hiring guidelines require candidates to be rejected if they have any conviction within two years, if the initial charge was a felony; more than one conviction in the past two to five years, if the initial charge was a felony, or more than two felony-based convictions over five years. Recruits also can get blacklisted if they have more than three moving violations in less than two years.

"It's all judgment calls - bad ones," said a retired cop who worked nearly a decade in the applicant processing division. "But the bosses say, 'Send 'em through. We'll catch the problem ones later.'"

shanked
03-03-2005, 01:28 PM
damn, nypd's internal affairs must be licking there chops. I tell you this the money is the biggest issue, if they made close to suffolk co pd i'd bet you would have quality people. its sad that i know somebody who left nypd to become a security manager for a dept. store. bottom line he was making $17,000 more a year as a security manager after being on nypd for 8-9 years. and he lived on long island .so do the math when you factor in travel etc.......

Told You So!
03-03-2005, 01:45 PM
Weve been saying it for a long time now. NYPD new hires are held to the standards that they used to be. I myself am on the SCPD list. Just got called in the lottery and not going to look back once I am gone, and yes the money is whats making me leave after 11 years in the city. If I remember it correctly I was told I may not got hired for nypd because I had 2 parking tickets in my past.

03-03-2005, 03:59 PM
i can tell you this, i turned down nypd several times. they sent me a letter basically begging me to come to a seminar and come to the job. i tore it up and tossed it away.............i'm not knocking the job or the people on the job i think for the most part you have good cops (especially the ones on the job several years like' told you so') but the future is scary..................nypd deserves more..........

Lookin'
03-03-2005, 06:39 PM
I was going to take the NYPD test before in the past but I passed on it because they require at least 60 credits which I'm not even close to. Seeing all of this though, I wonder if they'd consider me anyway, or let me get the rest of the credits on the job. At least I'm not an ex-con or drug user.

03-03-2005, 07:19 PM
they will take you................

anthony7
03-04-2005, 01:55 AM
As an NYPD cop I can tell you that 9 out of 10 NYPD cops are excellent. The problem is that the department is so desperate for people now...they look to hiring PERPS from the projects instead of paying us a real wage and having qualified applicants knocking at the door. It seems with each class the percentage of respectful recruits fades away. The rooks show no respect and seem to have more in common with the perps than cops with time on.

As for education...NYPD cops all have to have 60 credits unless they have military.

UF-28
03-04-2005, 07:12 AM
In each case, the recruit's arrests - which included robbery, weapons possession and assault - were dismissed or pleaded down to less serious violations.


I don't know if I would become too alarmed by this report.

If you spent 6 months living in the communities where some of these recruits live you would understand why I am not shaken by this report.

In some communities it is pretty difficult to avoid police interaction. I know I arrested a few ppl and charged them with robbery and other nasty crimes, knowing in my heart that the complainant would disappear before the case could be evaluated by an ADA.

What I am saying is that just because someone has been arrested, it does not necessarily mean they committed any offense.

I'm sure a few goofballs slip through the NYPD hiring process, yet I am confident they will be rooted out by the procedures and techniques the NYPD uses to scrub the scum from the bottom of the cesspool they work in.

Ed5
03-04-2005, 11:39 AM
Its also a huge department...there have to be a few bad apples. But the city is attracting the wrong element lately because of the salary. Hopefully the new contract will pay us more alongthe lines of the Port Authority.

Anthony7
03-04-2005, 01:36 PM
NYPD recruits best & brightest

By POLICE COMMISSIONER RAY KELLY

Contrary to some of the Police Department's critics, the quality of our recruitment has never been higher, and that is reflected in the crime fighting juggernaut that has been the NYPD in recent years.

In rare instances, the Police Department has been forced by the Civil Service appeals process to hire individuals we had initially rejected (***Yeah, but if they had an adaquate number of candidates in the first place, they wouldn't have to use this "appeals process." This is unheard of: the PD going to bat for someone that isn't qualified in the first place!). But those numbers are inconsequential - only a few among the 8,000 police officers hired in the last three years. We have not hired anyone convicted of a crime, and we screen out those who seem unfit for law enforcement. Nonetheless, our detractors have invented their own Bizarro World, where everything is upside-down, asserting falsely that criminals are allowed to join the force and good cops leave early.

In fact, the opposite is true. We fingerprint. We check for criminal records. We confirm academic credentials and employment history. And we take a hair sample to test for drug use. This is in addition to physical and psychological testing (***And after they fail all this, we put into place the "appeals process" to fill the spot)

If anything, the NYPD is attracting more qualified and more idealistic candidates than ever before. Tens of thousands of candidates have taken the exam in recent years, with only one in 14 winning a highly prized spot in the Police Academy. Last year, more than 33,000 individuals took the test for 2,400 slots (***But that's 33,000 over about ten tests. we used to get that number for just ONE test and subsequent list!

All of our recruits have at least 60 college credits, and a third of the members of the current class have four-year college degrees or better (***Let's see how many of these "four-year degree" people are still around after PERB comes back). This is an all-time record. Our recruiters achieved this, in part, by bringing the exam to where the talent was - college campuses and military bases around the country(....where they STILL couldn't get enough recruits).

We are also attracting thousands of multilingual candidates (many of which aren't even citizens). Their skills help us better defend the city against another terrorist attack. The NYPD is so strong in this respect that the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency is borrowing our officers to help conduct interviews and translate sensitive documents captured overseas. Our officers, in turn, are getting valuable exposure to intelligence concerning potential threats to New York. We are also attracting outstanding (Liberal) civilians from universities such as Columbia, Stanford, Harvard and other renowned (cop-hating) institutions to work as analysts in our Counter-Terrorism Bureau and Intelligence Division.

The Police Department also has an enviable record of retaining its employees. Recent retirement numbers appear higher because of the relatively large numbers of officers brought on 20 to 25 years ago as the city climbed out of its fiscal crisis. In the mid and early '80s, as well, more officers were hired and are now retiring. This has led some to argue that officers are leaving the department at higher rate than ever before. That's just not true.(***Well, then, Commissioner, let's hear the numbers of cops who have vested-out in the last number of years, and compare it to previous numbers. "Vesting out": the dirty little secret of Police Personnel)

The dedication and effectiveness of our new officers has been documented on the street, where with their more experienced partners (if they can find one), they have helped drive down serious crime by 30% or more in impact zones over the last three years.

The quality of our police officers and their supervisors is a key ingredient in our formula for driving down crime year after year, combating terrorism and improving the quality of life. We are succeeding because we recruit well and because nearly all officers remain on the job until they are eligible to retire (with five years and their vested pensions or with 3/4s).

03-05-2005, 12:15 AM
NYPD recruits best & brightest

By POLICE COMMISSIONER RAY KELLY

Contrary to some of the Police Department's critics, the quality of our recruitment has never been higher, and that is reflected in the crime fighting juggernaut that has been the NYPD in recent years.

In rare instances, the Police Department has been forced by the Civil Service appeals process to hire individuals we had initially rejected (***Yeah, but if they had an adaquate number of candidates in the first place, they wouldn't have to use this "appeals process." This is unheard of: the PD going to bat for someone that isn't qualified in the first place!). But those numbers are inconsequential - only a few among the 8,000 police officers hired in the last three years. We have not hired anyone convicted of a crime, and we screen out those who seem unfit for law enforcement. Nonetheless, our detractors have invented their own Bizarro World, where everything is upside-down, asserting falsely that criminals are allowed to join the force and good cops leave early.

In fact, the opposite is true. We fingerprint. We check for criminal records. We confirm academic credentials and employment history. And we take a hair sample to test for drug use. This is in addition to physical and psychological testing (***And after they fail all this, we put into place the "appeals process" to fill the spot)

If anything, the NYPD is attracting more qualified and more idealistic candidates than ever before. Tens of thousands of candidates have taken the exam in recent years, with only one in 14 winning a highly prized spot in the Police Academy. Last year, more than 33,000 individuals took the test for 2,400 slots (***But that's 33,000 over about ten tests. we used to get that number for just ONE test and subsequent list!

All of our recruits have at least 60 college credits, and a third of the members of the current class have four-year college degrees or better (***Let's see how many of these "four-year degree" people are still around after PERB comes back). This is an all-time record. Our recruiters achieved this, in part, by bringing the exam to where the talent was - college campuses and military bases around the country(....where they STILL couldn't get enough recruits).

We are also attracting thousands of multilingual candidates (many of which aren't even citizens). Their skills help us better defend the city against another terrorist attack. The NYPD is so strong in this respect that the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency is borrowing our officers to help conduct interviews and translate sensitive documents captured overseas. Our officers, in turn, are getting valuable exposure to intelligence concerning potential threats to New York. We are also attracting outstanding (Liberal) civilians from universities such as Columbia, Stanford, Harvard and other renowned (cop-hating) institutions to work as analysts in our Counter-Terrorism Bureau and Intelligence Division.

The Police Department also has an enviable record of retaining its employees. Recent retirement numbers appear higher because of the relatively large numbers of officers brought on 20 to 25 years ago as the city climbed out of its fiscal crisis. In the mid and early '80s, as well, more officers were hired and are now retiring. This has led some to argue that officers are leaving the department at higher rate than ever before. That's just not true.(***Well, then, Commissioner, let's hear the numbers of cops who have vested-out in the last number of years, and compare it to previous numbers. "Vesting out": the dirty little secret of Police Personnel)

The dedication and effectiveness of our new officers has been documented on the street, where with their more experienced partners (if they can find one), they have helped drive down serious crime by 30% or more in impact zones over the last three years.

The quality of our police officers and their supervisors is a key ingredient in our formula for driving down crime year after year, combating terrorism and improving the quality of life. We are succeeding because we recruit well and because nearly all officers remain on the job until they are eligible to retire (with five years and their vested pensions or with 3/4s).


I take my 8 pt. off in your direction. Anthony7 has this bullshit pegged exactly right. Don't forget about the recruits on welfare who ask if they can collect welfare and their NYPD salaries "to help make ends meet" or the dope who was processing for the NYPD, joined the Army was called to basic training and just went AWOL because they heard they were about to get called for the job. Lastly, the proof is in the pudding, the real telling numbers are the numbers who either vest after 5 years or quit outright. Add up the number who vest, quit take a job in another PD get arrested, go out on some early disability retirement. Those are the numbers that should be looked at. The city has a 20 and out mentality. Other agencies (Suffolk, Nassau, Port Authority) dont'. I think it would be interesting to analyze the average number of years on the job at retirement for the various agencies in the area to see that the city has a problem.