About that Longetivity Check

[Marty Scheinman]

It's going to be alot less then promised back in 2008. Alot less for the senior workers and newbies. Alot less for everybody. Enjoy!

[Eliot Ness]

It's going to be alot less then promised back in 2008. Alot less for the senior workers and newbies. Alot less for everybody. Enjoy!

Face it, in this economy, longevity checks are nothing more than rip-offs of the taxpayers hard earned money.

Add to that prior service credit and it is even insulting.

Can you imagine? Someone with 15 years of various NON-County public employment comes to work for Nassau and at the end of their first year, gets a check for 16 years of service.

C'mon...I work hard for my money, please let me keep some of it instead of giving it away like welfare to county workers.

[Unregistered2323]

Face it, in this economy, longevity checks are nothing more than rip-offs of the taxpayers hard earned money.

Add to that prior service credit and it is even insulting.

Can you imagine? Someone with 15 years of various NON-County public employment comes to work for Nassau and at the end of their first year, gets a check for 16 years of service.

C'mon...I work hard for my money, please let me keep some of it instead of giving it away like welfare to county workers.

My wifes got two years with a privare company and just got a 5 thousand dollar bonus. Why is the private sector feels their the only ones entitled to bonus money. Oh yeah, and she got a 3% raise

[Unregistered11530]

Maybe because the private sector earns it own money(for the most part) as opposed to being taxpayer funded.

I assume your wife got a bonus for her work habits not for just showing up for the year.

That is the problem with longevity pay and teacher step increases - they are raises/increases given just for showing up. Add to them the salary increases and you get a double pay bump. Even if a teacher gets no salary increase he/she still gets a 2-3% raise just for being there.

In the private sector, if there is no profit there are no bonuses/raises.

In the public sector they just raise taxes.

[Unregistered3233]

Maybe because the private sector earns it own money(for the most part) as opposed to being taxpayer funded.

I assume your wife got a bonus for her work habits not for just showing up for the year.

That is the problem with longevity pay and teacher step increases - they are raises/increases given just for showing up. Add to them the salary increases and you get a double pay bump. Even if a teacher gets no salary increase he/she still gets a 2-3% raise just for being there.

In the private sector, if there is no profit there are no bonuses/raises.

In the public sector they just raise taxes.

Teachers gets steps to SAVE money. Employers negotiated starting new teachers at LESS then the current salary. Private companys do that as well, they hire you at one amount and say once your here X amount of time we will bump you up. Would you rather go back to all teachers starting at full salary? WHen times are good and peopl eon teh privatre sector are banging 4.5 to 5.5 % raises nobdoy cries " those poor civil service employees are only 2.5 to 3%" My wife between her raise and bonus got 8% , you tell me who in civil service is getting 8% except maybe the cops. For the last 20 years every Nassau COunty public employee contract except for the Cops had a zero in year one, regardless of the economy. When timesa re good you cant get people to take these jobs. A few take them becasue they want job security. When times get bad the same people who looked down their noses at these jobs cry foul. As far as teachers, unless you have a major hook you need a MAsters degree to get that job What do you want to do, pay somone with Masters 45 grand ?

[Checks 4 Hosiptal]

Longevity checks handed out to hospital workers today. None for the other members. Thanks again CSEA

[Unregistered11530]

Teachers gets steps to SAVE money. Employers negotiated starting new teachers at LESS then the current salary. Private companys do that as well, they hire you at one amount and say once your here X amount of time we will bump you up. Would you rather go back to all teachers starting at full salary? WHen times are good and peopl eon teh privatre sector are banging 4.5 to 5.5 % raises nobdoy cries " those poor civil service employees are only 2.5 to 3%" My wife between her raise and bonus got 8% , you tell me who in civil service is getting 8% except maybe the cops. For the last 20 years every Nassau COunty public employee contract except for the Cops had a zero in year one, regardless of the economy. When timesa re good you cant get people to take these jobs. A few take them becasue they want job security. When times get bad the same people who looked down their noses at these jobs cry foul. As far as teachers, unless you have a major hook you need a MAsters degree to get that job What do you want to do, pay somone with Masters 45 grand ?

I guess I fail to see how a step increase saves money. It is a fixed increase in cost (salary) regardless of performance or economic conditions. In the private sector you are not guaranteed a raise (step) every year just because you show up at the start of the year. You also don't start at full salary in the private sector - you earn it with your performance, or you get stuck in one level or if you are really bad you get fired (imagine that - losing your job because you aren't good at it, what a concept!)

And that whole master's degree requirement is a scam. Do you really need a master's to teach elementary school phys ed? My sister in law just finished her master's and the courses were a joke.

Let's get rid of the master's requirement for any position below high school. It is really just another way to reach a certain "level" that gets you a bump in salary - that's why my sister in law did it. It did nothing for her class and she did not become a better teacher because of it - she did get a nice salary "adjustment" though.

I am not against education/ higher learning, I just feel that the requirements should fit the job.

[UnregisteredTSMF]

We have a contract.

In a few years my longevity will exceed 14K in a lump sum check. Thanks teach.

[county attorneys office]

Longevity checks handed out to hospital workers today. None for the other members. Thanks again CSEA

people worked for new york county district attorney for 10 years and got retroactive nassau county benefits. people worked for corporation counsel and other nyc offices for 20 years and got retroactive benefits. people came in from suffolk county and state jobs and got retroactive benefits. now they all stay under ciampoli so they can get lifetime health insurance paid for by the taxpayers. plus longevity pay more than what union workers who actually worked in nassau county twice as long as they did get.

[Unregistered234]

My wifes got two years with a privare company and just got a 5 thousand dollar bonus. Why is the private sector feels their the only ones entitled to bonus money. Oh yeah, and she got a 3% raise

Please, longevity in the private sector actually means something like an incentive to stay, is that necessary in the public sector? How many public sector employees like teachers actually are in danger of leaving? They already get steps and COLAS, now they need longevity increases?

[Unregistered2345]

Teachers gets steps to SAVE money. Employers negotiated starting new teachers at LESS then the current salary. Private companys do that as well, they hire you at one amount and say once your here X amount of time we will bump you up. Would you rather go back to all teachers starting at full salary? WHen times are good and peopl eon teh privatre sector are banging 4.5 to 5.5 % raises nobdoy cries " those poor civil service employees are only 2.5 to 3%" My wife between her raise and bonus got 8% , you tell me who in civil service is getting 8% except maybe the cops. For the last 20 years every Nassau COunty public employee contract except for the Cops had a zero in year one, regardless of the economy. When timesa re good you cant get people to take these jobs. A few take them becaue they want job security. When times get bad the same people who looked down their noses at these jobs cry foul. As far as teachers, unless you have a major hook you need a MAsters degree to get that job What do you want to do, pay somone with Masters 45 grand ?

First of all don't tell me when times where good no one wanted these jobs because I can't remember that far back, over 20 years ago. New grads out of college have a difficult time getting teaching positions so please tell me when times were good and they had to beg applicants. Supply and demand should be lowering salaries but it has been quite the opposite.

Masters degree? There are engineers, scientists, accountants with masters that don't get an automatic bump for a masters inside and outside the government. You can believe me the risk and performance in the private sector is far greater.

Lastly teachers receive longevity, COLAs and step increases with little regard to performance not to mention almost fully paid health care including dental. Your telling me no one wants this job? No wonder school districts are going broke.

Nassau County Police, thats a hold different argument.

[Unregistered2323]

First of all don't tell me when times where good no one wanted these jobs because I can't remember that far back, over 20 years ago. New grads out of college have a difficult time getting teaching positions so please tell me when times were good and they had to beg applicants. Supply and demand should be lowering salaries but it has been quite the opposite.

Masters degree? There are engineers, scientists, accountants with masters that don't get an automatic bump for a masters inside and outside the government. You can believe me the risk and performance in the private sector is far greater.

Lastly teachers receive longevity, COLAs and step increases with little regard to performance not to mention almost fully paid health care including dental. Your telling me no one wants this job? No wonder school districts are going broke.

Nassau County Police, thats a hold different argument.

I didnt mean to refer to teachers when I talked abou nobodt wanting these jobs. Im talking about most civil service positions that pay like 45 grand.

As for teachers, their contracts are negotiated. We could always replace it with the current political system which involves giving out jobs and raises based on political contributions or who your related to. Also if a teacher dosent do their job its up to the administration to discipline them. Not to mention Long ISlands schools for the most part are second to none.

[Unregistered11530]

I didnt mean to refer to teachers when I talked abou nobodt wanting these jobs. Im talking about most civil service positions that pay like 45 grand.

As for teachers, their contracts are negotiated. We could always replace it with the current political system which involves giving out jobs and raises based on political contributions or who your related to. Also if a teacher dosent do their job its up to the administration to discipline them. Not to mention Long ISlands schools for the most part are second to none.

Second to none in what?

Wait til your kids apply to college, you will find out that LI schools are not that highly thought of except for some of their sports teams. Maybe if you compare us to West Virginia or Arkansas we hold our own. And Colleges outside of NY don't really know nor care about the Regents.

That is a myth the status quo would like to have us believe since it justifies their exorbitant costs.

[Unregistered7878]

Second to none in what?

Wait til your kids apply to college, you will find out that LI schools are not that highly thought of except for some of their sports teams. Maybe if you compare us to West Virginia or Arkansas we hold our own. And Colleges outside of NY don't really know nor care about the Regents.

That is a myth the status quo would like to have us believe since it justifies their exorbitant costs.

No way. I thought about moving and looked into numerous school systems. They do not even come close. Floridas schools are a joke and whenever I found a good district on the lower East coast guess what, it was a wealthy area with high taxes. My Cousin has gone to be a multi millioniare. He went to Catholic school , Ill never foregt him telling me while he was in college how behind he felt fromt he kids that got a public school education on Long ISland. My kids are in public school now and its tremendous.

People are not stupid, if this mythical place of good school districts and cheap houses exsisted people would move there in droves. Every friend I have, every friend, who moved out of state with kids was disapointed in the schools. Several moved back for that reason alone

[Unregistered11530]

Of course it stands to reason that wealthier areas tend to have higher taxes and that the parents tend to demand better schools. You just can't paint all of LI schools with that broad brush.

Some school districts are superior and some suck but most are pretty good. Check out the schools in the research triangle area of NC. They are now excellent, 20 years ago they were awful. As smarter more educated people moved in the schools were forced to improve. The teachers in that area are paid well and the parents demand success from the schools. In the crappy areas the teachers are paid less and the parents don't seem to care much about education. Where do you think the good teachers go? Bad teachers are not tolerated and either improve or are shown the door.

On LI, all teachers are highly paid whether or not they are good. Everyone pays high taxes regardless of the performance of the schools. If I live in an area where very few people care about school and very few graduate from HS, why should the school taxes be so high? You can't throw money at the problem, it doesn't work. Vouchers do, but the teacher's unions are dead set against them. I wonder why?

[Unregistered2345]

Using Florida Schools for comparison is a bad choice, NJ or VA would be a better standard. Regardless of what your opinion is on the level of education on LI we are definitely overpaying.

I don’t know what catholic school your cousin went to but the students from private and Catholic High Schools on LI are excellent.

[illegal alien]

First of all don't tell me when times where good no one wanted these jobs because I can't remember that far back, over 20 years ago. New grads out of college have a difficult time getting teaching positions so please tell me when times were good and they had to beg applicants. Supply and demand should be lowering salaries but it has been quite the opposite.

Masters degree? There are engineers, scientists, accountants with masters that don't get an automatic bump for a masters inside and outside the government. You can believe me the risk and performance in the private sector is far greater.

Lastly teachers receive longevity, COLAs and step increases with little regard to performance not to mention almost fully paid health care including dental. Your telling me no one wants this job? No wonder school districts are going broke.

Nassau County Police, thats a hold different argument.


That's what they said when all the illegals started flooding America and taking all the jobs - well they're doing jobs Americans didn't want. Really?

Now unemployment is sky high & not getting any better & Americans in between jobs can no longer even find stop gap jobs anymore. Neither can HS or college kids who have all but given up looking because of the illegals taking jobs "nobody else wanted". Yet before the invasion, SOMEBODY was doing them.

[thanks suozzi]

people worked for new york county district attorney for 10 years and got retroactive nassau county benefits. people worked for corporation counsel and other nyc offices for 20 years and got retroactive benefits. people came in from suffolk county and state jobs and got retroactive benefits. now they all stay under ciampoli so they can get lifetime health insurance paid for by the taxpayers. plus longevity pay more than what union workers who actually worked in nassau county twice as long as they did get.

This was under Suozzi. Longevity, health insurance, pension, time off benefits - that was settled a long time ago when the County Charter required you to live in Nassau & everyone did. People came to these appointed jobs usually after paying their dues - doing volunteer work throughout the County, in their Towns & Villages. Helping out in campaigns, politics, civics, community events. Eventually they got rewarded with jobs so by the time they worked at paying jobs in the County for 5 - 10 -15 -20 years - they really earned what benefits had accrued to them.

Suozz's administrationi brought in a whole mess of people that never contributed anything to the County before and appointed them to jobs - many jobs in charge of bureaus and departments and almost all of them exceeding salary averages - $60-65K and UP. THEN they took all the time they spent in other local governments & took all the benefits & perks INTENDED for long time residents who PAID THEIR DUES and stuffed their pockets. They did this also at the expense of the union and civil service workers & even were appointed to jobs that should have been civil service & union jobs. THEN under Suozzi, the appointments somehow BECAME civil service jobs & there they remain.

Mangano is no better because so far, they are allowing these people to stay in their jobs. The new administration refuses to look at the experience levels BEFORE they got hired or promoted over the past 8 years and won't recognize that they never should have gotten where they are now in the first place. Complacently allowing to remain in place that which Suozzi's adminstration started in sickening.

They've had enough time to sort through things & clean house but they refuse to do it.

April fools.

[Unregistered78787878]

That's what they said when all the illegals started flooding America and taking all the jobs - well they're doing jobs Americans didn't want. Really?

Now unemployment is sky high & not getting any better & Americans in between jobs can no longer even find stop gap jobs anymore. Neither can HS or college kids who have all but given up looking because of the illegals taking jobs "nobody else wanted". Yet before the invasion, SOMEBODY was doing them.

I have a bigger problem with legal VISAs givin to people who come here and take high paying desirable jobs away from Americans. Im not defending illeglas but most of the jobs they do Americans wouldnt take. A guy who just lost his job on Wall street is not now going to go to work for min wage

[achille's heel]

The going rate for illegals is almost double the minimum wage...day laborers get 10-12/hr which compares to at least 13-15/hr if they were legal citizens "on the books" , which I think would appeal to many americans looking for work.

[Unregistered2345]

That's what they said when all the illegals started flooding America and taking all the jobs - well they're doing jobs Americans didn't want. Really?

Now unemployment is sky high & not getting any better & Americans in between jobs can no longer even find stop gap jobs anymore. Neither can HS or college kids who have all but given up looking because of the illegals taking jobs "nobody else wanted". Yet before the invasion, SOMEBODY was doing them.

I was speaking to teachers but the trutth is the jobs that immigrants are taking no one wants. You ever see any teenagers begging to take a job in unskilled home construction, gardening, working in a kitchen?

Unfortunately college kids to day are lazy and too proud to take any menial positions that require labor, they are mostly spoiled, ungrateful, unwilling. Did you ever hear a kid complaining that he couldn't get a job with a lawn maintenance job or as a bus boy? We parents are to blame but don't worry after the immigrants are here for awhile we will Americanize them so they are just like our children.

[Yes I have]

I was speaking to teachers but the trutth is the jobs that immigrants are taking no one wants. You ever see any teenagers begging to take a job in unskilled home construction, gardening, working in a kitchen?

Unfortunately college kids to day are lazy and too proud to take any menial positions that require labor, they are mostly spoiled, ungrateful, unwilling. Did you ever hear a kid complaining that he couldn't get a job with a lawn maintenance job or as a bus boy? We parents are to blame but don't worry after the immigrants are here for awhile we will Americanize them so they are just like our children.

Not only have I - I did it. Maybe you grew up on the North Shore with a silver spoon in your mouth, but plenty of my friends did gardening jobs when we were kids and my kids would kill for a temporary cleaning job. In fact, I know at least 3 politicians - 1 is the county executive - who did cleaning work to get themselves through school.

[Unregistered234]

Not only have I - I did it. Maybe you grew up on the North Shore with a silver spoon in your mouth, but plenty of my friends did gardening jobs when we were kids and my kids would kill for a temporary cleaning job. In fact, I know at least 3 politicians - 1 is the county executive - who did cleaning work to get themselves through school.

I did work lawn jobs ,etc growing up so did all my friends but the kids today that want to do that type of work are a minority. Go drive up and down any block and tell me if you see anyone out mowing their own lawn, everyone has a lawn service, that was rare back in the 70's and 80s.

[You're fucked in the head]

I did work lawn jobs ,etc growing up so did all my friends but the kids today that want to do that type of work are a minority. Go drive up and down any block and tell me if you see anyone out mowing their own lawn, everyone has a lawn service, that was rare back in the 70's and 80s.

I see my neighbors out tending their lawns everyday when the season permits. More and more of them are doing it on their own. Prior to the glut of illegals taking on the job for less pay the work was being done by citizen. That illegals will take less pay then citizens is why they overwhelmingly are in particular jobs that once were performed by students and those lacking formal education. Drive through a fast food place and chances are you'll have a hard time placing your order seeing that neither the customer and employee understand each other

[Mainstream]

I see my neighbors out tending their lawns everyday when the season permits. More and more of them are doing it on their own. Prior to the glut of illegals taking on the job for less pay the work was being done by citizen. That illegals will take less pay then citizens is why they overwhelmingly are in particular jobs that once were performed by students and those lacking formal education. Drive through a fast food place and chances are you'll have a hard time placing your order seeing that neither the customer and employee understand each other

Never mind fast food stores - its everywhere. All stores where they promote someone to manager to avoid discrimination charges & then the manager promotes fellow hispanics - speaking English is not a requirement.

You can't get help & wind up walking out or there's 6 people standing around the English speaking worker waiting for assistance. Half the time these people CAN understand you but they think for some reason its YOU who need to speak THEIR language. Disgusted.

Oh - and my kid is in school for civil engineering & wound up having to VOLUNTEER to help out working construction jobs which he needed for experience because he applied with several places & didn't get hired - the illegals did though!

[Unregistered234]

Never mind fast food stores - its everywhere. All stores where they promote someone to manager to avoid discrimination charges & then the manager promotes fellow hispanics - speaking English is not a requirement.

You can't get help & wind up walking out or there's 6 people standing around the English speaking worker waiting for assistance. Half the time these people CAN understand you but they think for some reason its YOU who need to speak THEIR language. Disgusted.

Oh - and my kid is in school for civil engineering & wound up having to VOLUNTEER to help out working construction jobs which he needed for experience because he applied with several places & didn't get hired - the illegals did though!

So stores promote illegal immigrants who don''t speak english over residents? That's nto a very good business decision, what store is this? Your son is a civil engineer but he is interested in labor rather than an engineering internship. Doesn't sound quite right.

What village do you live in that all your neigbors are out mowing the lawn?

[Unregistered7878]

Never mind fast food stores - its everywhere. All stores where they promote someone to manager to avoid discrimination charges & then the manager promotes fellow hispanics - speaking English is not a requirement.

You can't get help & wind up walking out or there's 6 people standing around the English speaking worker waiting for assistance. Half the time these people CAN understand you but they think for some reason its YOU who need to speak THEIR language. Disgusted.

Oh - and my kid is in school for civil engineering & wound up having to VOLUNTEER to help out working construction jobs which he needed for experience because he applied with several places & didn't get hired - the illegals did though!

Well, first off your assuming their illegals. You have no idea if they are or not, Second, the entire thing is a joke. All you would have to do is make it a felony with 5 years min jail time for hiring an illegal and your problem would be solved. The problem is neither party wants to get rid of them. The DEm party wants the Spanish vote and the GOP is owned by big buisness who want cheap labor

[yyyyyyyyyyyy]

Oh - and my kid is in school for civil engineering & wound up having to VOLUNTEER to help out working construction jobs which he needed for experience because he applied with several places & didn't get hired - the illegals did though!

Then your kid must be a complete dope. There are plenty of low level construction jobs.