Pot Possesion... a few questions please

[1st time offender]

Hello everyone,

A brief description of my situation....I was getting a ride from a friend to pick up my car from the car repair shop when we were pulled over for failing to use a blinker when the road merged from 2 lanes to one lane (even though we were not in the 'merge' lane.) While the driver was being asked for his license and I was asked for mine as well, the officer decided to check my friend and found drup paraphenalia on him. They asked me to step out and I voluntarily surrendered one joint that I had in my possesion prior to being searched. We were both charged with our possesion of drugs and released on the scene. It was my first and only offense or trouble with the law. My question has multiple parts the first being....

1. Should I get a lawyer to help get the charge reduced or is just being polite, prompt and well groomed be enough to keep from receiving the maximum penalty. This is my first offense and I have no prior record but I would like to keep my record that way.

2. I have a government job, should I approach my boss in advance of someone else telling her to inform her on my own instead of her possibly finding out anyway and thinking that I was trying to hide it from her? Or should I see if it even makes it in the blotter first and go from there?

3. Is it even worth pursuing the angle of being pulled over for no real reason? One note, I do understand that I have broken the law and anything that happens to me is my own fault for being stupid and making a poor decision to have the joint on me, but is it legal for the police to pull someone over for no good reason and search them without any real viable grounds for doing so?

Thank you for your time.

[UPM]

What were u charged with Unlawful possession of marijuana?
And what court?

Hello everyone,

A brief description of my situation....I was getting a ride from a friend to pick up my car from the car repair shop when we were pulled over for failing to use a blinker when the road merged from 2 lanes to one lane (even though we were not in the 'merge' lane.) While the driver was being asked for his license and I was asked for mine as well, the officer decided to check my friend and found drup paraphenalia on him. They asked me to step out and I voluntarily surrendered one joint that I had in my possesion prior to being searched. We were both charged with our possesion of drugs and released on the scene. It was my first and only offense or trouble with the law. My question has multiple parts the first being..
\1. Should I get a lawyer to help get the charge reduced or is just being polite, prompt and well groomed be enough to keep from receiving the maximum penalty. This is my first offense and I have no prior record but I would like to keep my record that way.

2. I have a government job, should I approach my boss in advance of someone else telling her to inform her on my own instead of her possibly finding out anyway and thinking that I was trying to hide it from her? Or should I see if it even makes it in the blotter first and go from there?

3. Is it even worth pursuing the angle of being pulled over for no real reason? One note, I do understand that I have broken the law and anything that happens to me is my own fault for being stupid and making a poor decision to have the joint on me, but is it legal for the police to pull someone over for no good reason and search them without any real viable grounds for doing so?

Thank you for your time.

This isn't legal advice, but......... 1. Paying for a lawyer wont change the outcome much. Unlawful Possession of Marij. 221.05 P.L. and released on the scene with a F.A.T. is a non fingerprintable violation. Since you claim to not have a prior arrest record the charge will automatically be ACOD for probably one year. Arraignment in Contemplation of Dismissal a big phrase meaning that as long as you don't get arrested for something else within one year the charge will be "dropped". Worst case scenario you will have to pay a fine. 2. Unless you shoot your mouth to one of your co-workers or the arresting officer knows your boss your job probably won't find out. Unless you work for a Police Department or District Attorneys office. If you work for the Federal Govt. and have some form of a security clearance you may have other problems. 3. You are pissing into the wind if you think that on something this trivial you are getting any where regarding the "cops had no legal reason to pull us over" line. You gave up your joint voluntarily. If the cop searched you without some legal reason you could hire an attorney pay 1500-3500 and the same outcome would probably result.

[Guest2]

As a passenger in a vehicle, you probably do not have standing to challenge the stop. A passenger usually only has standing when they are charged with constructive possession (i.e. the cop finds a gun/drugs in the car, nobody owns up to it and everyone gets arrested). You probably sunk yourself when you voluntarily gave up what you had on you anyway. If the officer observed your friend commit a traffic infraction, then he had justification for stopping you. Whether or not you believe it to be a "good reason" is irrelevant.

As for hiring an attorney, if you can afford one, it is always a good idea. Even if you don't have a leg to stand on, the lawyer might be able to get charges dismissed, ACOD or plea to a Dis Con.

This isn't legal advice, but......... 1. Paying for a lawyer wont change the outcome much. Unlawful Possession of Marij. 221.05 P.L. and released on the scene with a F.A.T. is a non fingerprintable violation. Since you claim to not have a prior arrest record the charge will automatically be ACOD for probably one year. Arraignment in Contemplation of Dismissal a big phrase meaning that as long as you don't get arrested for something else within one year the charge will be "dropped". Worst case scenario you will have to pay a fine. 2. Unless you shoot your mouth to one of your co-workers or the arresting officer knows your boss your job probably won't find out. Unless you work for a Police Department or District Attorneys office. If you work for the Federal Govt. and have some form of a security clearance you may have other problems. 3. You are pissing into the wind if you think that on something this trivial you are getting any where regarding the "cops had no legal reason to pull us over" line. You gave up your joint voluntarily. If the cop searched you without some legal reason you could hire an attorney pay 1500-3500 and the same outcome would probably result.

Are you attempting to convey to this space cadet that if your a law enforcer you could lose your job for being caught with one joint??

After reading the postings on this board I have learned that some law enforcement are rapists, spousal & child abusers, thieves and drug users who stalk women in attempt to get laid on the job, and every one of them still have their jobs.

Space cadet: stop being such a pussy, the cop may confiscate the joint for his own personal use.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD :roll:

[chatti-patti]

Are you attempting to convey to this space cadet that if your a law enforcer you could lose your job for being caught with one joint??

After reading the postings on this board I have learned that some law enforcement are rapists, spousal & child abusers, thieves and drug users who stalk women in attempt to get laid on the job, and every one of them still have their jobs.

Space cadet: stop being such a pussy, the cop may confiscate the joint for his own personal use.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD


Really where was that posted?
At least they dont beat their kids!

Should I get a lawyer to help get the charge reduced or is just being polite, prompt and well groomed be enough to keep from receiving the maximum penalty. This is my first offense and I have no prior record but I would like to keep my record that way.


Most courts wont even talk to you other than to postpone or enter plea of not-guilty without a lawyer. This will be at least a 300 dollar hit.
Again you volunteered the joint, not even a search.

[Finally The Truth]

If you were SO concerned about keeping your record "clean", you wouldn't be smoking marihuana. You will be offered an ACOD. Take it and move on.

Really where was that posted?
At least they dont beat their kids!

Do your homework numnuts, apparently you are in the dark as to the violent complaint history of the officer who barged into my home! Either that or your liek the rest of the county, choosing to ignore the fact that he has been accused and arrested on alleged rape allegations, then it was decided since the woman dropped the charges, he was "unarrested". Im betting she dropped the charges because she had to deal with JR stalking her. It just so happens that I have been in contact with a woman he has stalked and terrorized, she too dropped any cmoplaint charges due to not only him stalking but other SCPD.

FURTHERMORE, JR WAS CHARGED WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT after beating his 5 year old stepson. Subsequently he received one years probation and forced to recieve much needed PSYCH treatment.

Are you aware that JR never passed his psyche test and had to sue to become a police officer??? How many more are working as LAW ENFORCER'S who FAILED their psyche evals?? Hmmmmm. From what I've met COUNTLESS.

By the way, the rest of those allegations are written all over this board about who does cocaine, etc. To be honest after what happened to me, I don't doubt any of it is true. And I bet it happens more often than the we're aware. Its not everyday that we get to peer into someones criminal record disguised as a "history", the way I have.

Do your homework numnuts, apparently you are in the dark as to the violent complaint history of the officer who barged into my home! Either that or your liek the rest of the county, choosing to ignore the fact that he has been accused and arrested on alleged rape allegations, then it was decided since the woman dropped the charges, he was "unarrested". Im betting she dropped the charges because she had to deal with JR stalking her. It just so happens that I have been in contact with a woman he has stalked and terrorized, she too dropped any cmoplaint charges due to not only him stalking but other SCPD.

FURTHERMORE, JR WAS CHARGED WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT after beating his 5 year old stepson. Subsequently he received one years probation and forced to recieve much needed PSYCH treatment.

Are you aware that JR never passed his psyche test and had to sue to become a police officer??? How many more are working as LAW ENFORCER'S who FAILED their psyche evals?? Hmmmmm. From what I've met COUNTLESS.



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By the way, the rest of those allegations are written all over this board about who does cocaine, etc. To be honest after what happened to me, I don't doubt any of it is true. And I bet it happens more often than the we're aware. Its not everyday that we get to peer into someones criminal record disguised as a "history", the way I have



Ha I really dont care, All I know is at least whoever jr is he dont beat his kids.
The allegations about drug use are about Police supervisors, not patrol cops, people who you'd never deal with

[Y'Know..............]

Really where was that posted?
At least they dont beat their kids!


Do your homework numnuts, apparently you are in the dark as to the violent complaint history of the officer who barged into my home! Either that or your liek the rest of the county, choosing to ignore the fact that he has been accused and arrested on alleged rape allegations, then it was decided since the woman dropped the charges, he was "unarrested". Im betting she dropped the charges because she had to deal with JR stalking her. It just so happens that I have been in contact with a woman he has stalked and terrorized, she too dropped any cmoplaint charges due to not only him stalking but other SCPD.

FURTHERMORE, JR WAS CHARGED WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT after beating his 5 year old stepson. Subsequently he received one years probation and forced to recieve much needed PSYCH treatment.

Are you aware that JR never passed his psyche test and had to sue to become a police officer??? How many more are working as LAW ENFORCER'S who FAILED their psyche evals?? Hmmmmm. From what I've met COUNTLESS.
Listen whatever your deal is thats your problem, but do you have to troll every thread, and ruin other people's discussions?
Please...Please either stick to the topic, or start your own thread.
It seems you ruin every valid discussion, just stay on the stupid general discussion ones.

[numnutsnot]

Really where was that posted?
At least they dont beat their kids!

Do your homework numnuts, apparently you are in the dark as to the violent complaint history of the officer who barged into my home! Either that or your liek the rest of the county, choosing to ignore the fact that he has been accused and arrested on alleged rape allegations, then it was decided since the woman dropped the charges, he was "unarrested". Im betting she dropped the charges because she had to deal with JR stalking her. It just so happens that I have been in contact with a woman he has stalked and terrorized, she too dropped any cmoplaint charges due to not only him stalking but other SCPD.

FURTHERMORE, JR WAS CHARGED WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT after beating his 5 year old stepson. Subsequently he received one years probation and forced to recieve much needed PSYCH treatment.

Are you aware that JR never passed his psyche test and had to sue to become a police officer??? How many more are working as LAW ENFORCER'S who FAILED their psyche evals?? Hmmmmm. From what I've met COUNTLESS.

Oh boy, it looks like our favorite ChattiPatti is back on the board. Just get released from jail Chatti? You should talk about abuse. Were'nt you the one that sent her own daughter to the hospital after beating her. Go back to your corner low life!

Listen whatever your deal is thats your problem, but do you have to troll every thread, and ruin other people's discussions?
Please...Please either stick to the topic, or start your own thread.
It seems you ruin every valid discussion, just stay on the stupid general discussion ones.

BRAVO!!! Whomever is impersonating the REAL ChattiPatti then cutting & pasting nonsence, STOP!!

Oh boy, it looks like our favorite ChattiPatti is back on the board. Just get released from jail Chatti? You should talk about abuse. Were'nt you the one that sent her own daughter to the hospital after beating her. Go back to your corner low life!


from what I've heard ChattiPatti's kid was 19. Who here has never wanted to kick the crap out of their 19 yr old? And those who haven;t are either full of crap themselves OR their 19 yr old is a knocked up druggie. Now.....JR's kid was 5 as in FIVE YEARS OLD. Need I say more?

[Police Academy Instructor]

They asked me to step out and I voluntarily surrendered one joint that I had in my possesion prior to being searched.

Okay, how many times do I have to write this before you people believe me:

THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!

When the police detain you and are conducting an investigation, as friendly and charming as the officers might seem, they have a job to do.

And by charming you into surrendering your joint, you made their job ten times easier.

Let’s examine how you fukked up by cooperating with the police.

Had you NOT voluntarily surrendered your marijuana cigarette to the officer, he would have been forced to find some type of lawful reason to search you. Based on the info you provided, if the officers did not detect the pungent, delectable odor of marijuana burning in the car, or observe contraband or drug paraphernalia within the passenger compartment of the car you were riding in, the officers would have no lawful reason to conduct an intrusive search by going through YOUR pockets. Just because the officers allegedly established a lawful reason to search your friend, this does not give them a lawful reason to search you.

Let’s for a moment put aside the issue of the legality of the officer searching you. Suppose you did not voluntarily surrender your marijuana cigarette to the officer and he searched you and found it. You would have suffered no further penalty if you told the officer you did not possess drugs and a subsequent search by the officer proves you were lying. So you lied to a cop and told him you did not possess drugs when you really did, big deal. That ain’t a crime. You have a lawful right not to incriminate yourself.

Unfortunately, because you are a decent person who probably felt motivated to do the right thing, you did incriminate yourself when you voluntarily offered the officer evidence that you committed an offense.

Please remember this for the future. You have ABSOLUTELY no obligation to cooperate with the police. If detained by the police, remain calm, friendly and closed-lipped. If asked, politely tell them your name and address before asking them if you are free to go. If the officer states you are not free to leave DO NOT respond to any of his inquiries. Advise the officer you wish to remain silent until you have an opportunity to consult with your attorney. You have no lawful duty to help these officers make a case against you.

Anything you say to the police at this stage of their investigation is most likely eligible to be used in a court of law. You have no duty to assist the officers with their investigation. It is the officers who have a duty to prove you did engage in, are engaging in, or are about to engage in proscribed behavior.

In your case, if you did not voluntarily surrender the joint and the officer decided to search you, and found your marijuana cigarette, you could have contested his search in a court of law. Based on the limited facts you provided, I’m quite confident his search would have been found unlawful and the charges against you would be dismissed. At this point you would have the option of contacting a civil rights attorney who could determine if you have a case against the officer.

So please, the next time you have contact with the police don’t think they are your buddies. If you want to confess to the police you are a robber, murderer or enjoy victimizing people in some other manner, I would strongly recommend you do so.

But please do not place your future at risk by admitting to the police you possess a marijuana cigarette.

[Ya'Know..................]

Listen whatever your deal is thats your problem, but do you have to troll every thread, and ruin other people's discussions?
Please...Please either stick to the topic, or start your own thread.
It seems you ruin every valid discussion, just stay on the stupid general discussion ones.


BRAVO!!! Whomever is impersonating the REAL ChattiPatti then cutting & pasting nonsence, STOP!!

Quote:
Oh boy, it looks like our favorite ChattiPatti is back on the board. Just get released from jail Chatti? You should talk about abuse. Were'nt you the one that sent her own daughter to the hospital after beating her. Go back to your corner low life!



from what I've heard ChattiPatti's kid was 19. Who here has never wanted to kick the crap out of their 19 yr old? And those who haven;t are either full of crap themselves OR their 19 yr old is a knocked up druggie. Now.....JR's kid was 5 as in FIVE YEARS OLD. Need I say more?
No I'm referring to you, not the poster chatti-patti, you keep posting all over about cops and their lives etc, shut up, start your own post or just stay on ones that are as stupid as the crap you are spreading

[its all about denial]

1st time offender wrote:
They asked me to step out and I voluntarily surrendered one joint that I had in my possesion prior to being searched.


Okay, how many times do I have to write this before you people believe me:

THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!

When the police detain you and are conducting an investigation, as friendly and charming as the officers might seem, they have a job to do.

And by charming you into surrendering your joint, you made their job ten times easier.

Let’s examine how you fukked up by cooperating with the police.

Had you NOT voluntarily surrendered your marijuana cigarette to the officer, he would have been forced to find some type of lawful reason to search you. Based on the info you provided, if the officers did not detect the pungent, delectable odor of marijuana burning in the car, or observe contraband or drug paraphernalia within the passenger compartment of the car you were riding in, the officers would have no lawful reason to conduct an intrusive search by going through YOUR pockets. Just because the officers allegedly established a lawful reason to search your friend, this does not give them a lawful reason to search you.

Let’s for a moment put aside the issue of the legality of the officer searching you. Suppose you did not voluntarily surrender your marijuana cigarette to the officer and he searched you and found it. You would have suffered no further penalty if you told the officer you did not possess drugs and a subsequent search by the officer proves you were lying. So you lied to a cop and told him you did not possess drugs when you really did, big deal. That ain’t a crime. You have a lawful right not to incriminate yourself.

Unfortunately, because you are a decent person who probably felt motivated to do the right thing, you did incriminate yourself when you voluntarily offered the officer evidence that you committed an offense.

Please remember this for the future. You have ABSOLUTELY no obligation to cooperate with the police. If detained by the police, remain calm, friendly and closed-lipped. If asked, politely tell them your name and address before asking them if you are free to go. If the officer states you are not free to leave DO NOT respond to any of his inquiries. Advise the officer you wish to remain silent until you have an opportunity to consult with your attorney. You have no lawful duty to help these officers make a case against you.

Anything you say to the police at this stage of their investigation is most likely eligible to be used in a court of law. You have no duty to assist the officers with their investigation. It is the officers who have a duty to prove you did engage in, are engaging in, or are about to engage in proscribed behavior.

In your case, if you did not voluntarily surrender the joint and the officer decided to search you, and found your marijuana cigarette, you could have contested his search in a court of law. Based on the limited facts you provided, I’m quite confident his search would have been found unlawful and the charges against you would be dismissed. At this point you would have the option of contacting a civil rights attorney who could determine if you have a case against the officer.

So please, the next time you have contact with the police don’t think they are your buddies. If you want to confess to the police you are a robber, murderer or enjoy victimizing people in some other manner, I would strongly recommend you do so.

But please do not place your future at risk by admitting to the police you possess a marijuana cigarette.

Right take it from one who knows, lie to the cops.He is right though, only if you are violating a law the cops are not your friends.
I doubt you are a decent person, you are holding drugs and your friend is carrying drug paraphenalia, maybe this will be the wake up call you need to change yourself around.Probably not though, I'm glad that he got you before the two of you drove around high thinking irrationally of what kind of ''fun'' you could have.

I shudder to think you have a job with the government. How old are you? You sound slightly less mature than the person claiming to be a instructor of some sort, yet having little more than NYPD blues legal advice.
By the way, dont listen to shwartz report lawyers, in a case as minimal as this, you'd never go to court, bring a lawyer and its pled down to something silly, like a dis con
Unless you want to make a public case of it, have it all over the news.

[Friendly Cop]

Police Academy Instructor: All I have to say is Wow. That post almost brought a tear to my eye. You should be a guidance counselor or something. You must be the best parent in the world (if you have kids) or if you don't then i'm sure someday you will be. Whatever happened to teaching people to be responsible for their actions? I guess that the logic is now that it is ok to break the law or do something wrong as long as you don't get caught. Your kids are going to be real winners, i can see it coming. The fact of the matter is, if you didn't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear from the police. If a cop stops you and asks you questions, it is because he most likely thinks what you are doing is suspicious. He has every right to ask you your name, address and what your business is there. Depending on the circumstances, he may even forcibly detain you until he is satisfied with his investigation. If you have nothing to hide then you will be sent on your way with no harm done. Lying will only cause you more aggravation. To the other poster, i find it disheartening that you possess a govt job and are still smoking weed like a H.S. kid. Time to start behaving like an adult. You did do the right thing by giving up the cigarette despite what other idiot posters might tell you. Maybe it is time now to straighten up.

[Police Academy Instructor]

By the way, dont listen to shwartz report lawyers, in a case as minimal as this, you'd never go to court, bring a lawyer and its pled down to something silly, like a dis con
Unless you want to make a public case of it, have it all over the news.

Plea it down is exactly what the police want you to do.

For if you decide to challenge and scrutinze their search for marijuana at a MAPP hearing, based on the facts presented in your case, the officers would have to skew the facts to justify searching you.

Most officers would prefer to tell the truth so by telling you to plea the marijuana offense down they are avoiding having to make a court appearance in which they would have to cross their fingers as they swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth before a jury of your peers.

If you the citizen feel the police violated your rights when they detain, search and arrest you, please do not hesitate to challenge their conduct in a court of law. Ignore the scare tactics about the media and assert your rights.

[Police Academy Instructor]

Police Academy Instructor: All I have to say is Wow. That post almost brought a tear to my eye. You should be a guidance counselor or something. You must be the best parent in the world (if you have kids) or if you don't then i'm sure someday you will be.

My children are semi-well adjusted young adults who respect the freedoms and rights afforded to them under the laws of our nation.

They also know there are officers who will pervert and circumvent the law in order to enforce it. Whether or not they are engaging in proscribed conduct, the fruit of my loins have every right to protect themselves from overzealous officers with unlawful intent on their minds.


He has every right to ask you your name, address and what your business is there.

Very true. Just as the person being detained has every right to remain silent.

Police Academy Instructor: All I have to say is Wow. That post almost brought a tear to my eye. You should be a guidance counselor or something. You must be the best parent in the world (if you have kids) or if you don't then i'm sure someday you will be. Whatever happened to teaching people to be responsible for their actions? I guess that the logic is now that it is ok to break the law or do something wrong as long as you don't get caught. Your kids are going to be real winners, i can see it coming. The fact of the matter is, if you didn't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear from the police. If a cop stops you and asks you questions, it is because he most likely thinks what you are doing is suspicious. He has every right to ask you your name, address and what your business is there. Depending on the circumstances, he may even forcibly detain you until he is satisfied with his investigation. If you have nothing to hide then you will be sent on your way with no harm done. Lying will only cause you more aggravation. To the other poster, i find it disheartening that you possess a govt job and are still smoking weed like a H.S. kid. Time to start behaving like an adult. You did do the right thing by giving up the cigarette despite what other idiot posters might tell you. Maybe it is time now to straighten up.

Oh, please! 99% of the police officers have kept in touch with their local supplier for their own personal use of "recreational drugs." And so have their family members. Even the recruits going into the academy are bullsh*t artists when it comes down to "recreational drugs." Just because you are of the "right color" and live better off then others, your all just as dirty in the drug business as the poor minorities. That young man should get in touch with the ACU.

First time offender...Call the American Civil Liberties Union. He had no legal right for you to self incriminate yourself as you were simply a passenger. As for your friend, the driver, tell him to fight the ticket. He was not in the merging lane, period. These cops need to be put in their place. They are not always right. And their word is not God like many of them act so on here. Put that mistake on his employment record. Do it!

First time offender...Call the American Civil Liberties Union. He had no legal right for you to self incriminate yourself as you were simply a passenger. As for your friend, the driver, tell him to fight the ticket. He was not in the merging lane, period. These cops need to be put in their place. They are not always right. And their word is not God like many of them act so on here. Put that mistake on his employment record. Do it!

You liberal delusional morons make me want to puke. You clap hooray for the criminal and handcuff the cops. Then you cry and ask how an incident like the DuQuesne model murder could happen. You weren't there (neither was I) so shut your traps. There are 3 versions of every story. Your's, mine and the truth. People generally omit information that tends to shed them in a poor light. I shudder at the thought that you procreate and vote. Grow up get a job working on the street and find out what really is going on. I recommend getting a job working in the local County dept. of social services as a case manager handing out welfare. See how quickly your views change.

[Pierre Vert]

You liberal delusional morons make me want to puke. You clap hooray for the criminal and handcuff the cops. Then you cry and ask how an incident like the DuQuesne model murder could happen.

She was hot. I would have banged her.

stupid as the crap you are spreading

All I am "spreading" is the truth as dificult as it is to believe. I was shocked myself when I witnessed unprofessional conduct by not only one or two officers, but MANY. Also I read several officers "history" as it is called and I thought I was reading someones criminal records. It culminated all of my fears over all that happened and challenged my life long belief systems and also those who are close to me.

Please don't accuse me of "speading" anything your begining to sound like Asst County Atty Arlene Zwilling. A desparate woman who would do anything to "win" a case and be recognized in her profession.

To the other poster, i find it disheartening that you possess a govt job and are still smoking weed like a H.S. kid.

How many people in Govt use alcohol?

And in your opinion what is the difference, if any, btw ppl who use alcohol & ppl who use reefer?

Oh, please! 99% of the police officers have kept in touch with their local supplier for their own personal use of "recreational drugs." And so have their family members. Even the recruits going into the academy are bullsh*t artists when it comes down to "recreational drugs." Just because you are of the "right color" and live better off then others, your all just as dirty in the drug business as the poor minorities. That young man should get in touch with the ACU
You are basing this on? how many officers have you interviewed or tested or observed using drugs?
Grow up Troll

First time offender...Call the American Civil Liberties Union. He had no legal right for you to self incriminate yourself as you were simply a passenger. As for your friend, the driver, tell him to fight the ticket. He was not in the merging lane, period. These cops need to be put in their place. They are not always right. And their word is not God like many of them act so on here. Put that mistake on his employment record. Do it!
If the driver believes he was issued a summons wrongfully for a lane violation, thats why they have tvb.
As far as incriminating yourself, that's what the passenger did. I'm sure the officer asked him if he was holding anything illegal,or do you guys have anything you arent supposed to.That is not violating anyone's rights. The officer would have to articulate the reason for a search, if both passenger and driver refused to allow the search, or said no.
Thats how the law works.

stupid as the crap you are spreading


All I am "spreading" is the truth as dificult as it is to believe. I was shocked myself when I witnessed unprofessional conduct by not only one or two officers, but MANY. Also I read several officers "history" as it is called and I thought I was reading someones criminal records. It culminated all of my fears over all that happened and challenged my life long belief systems and also those who are close to me.

Please don't accuse me of "speading" anything your begining to sound like Asst County Atty Arlene Zwilling. A desparate woman who would do anything to "win" a case and be recognized in her profession
Please heed the posts directed at you, stick to the topic or leave.

Plea it down is exactly what the police want you to do.

For if you decide to challenge and scrutinze their search for marijuana at a MAPP hearing, based on the facts presented in your case, the officers would have to skew the facts to justify searching you.

Most officers would prefer to tell the truth so by telling you to plea the marijuana offense down they are avoiding having to make a court appearance in which they would have to cross their fingers as they swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth before a jury of your peers.

If you the citizen feel the police violated your rights when they detain, search and arrest you, please do not hesitate to challenge their conduct in a court of law. Ignore the scare tactics about the media and assert your rights.



Let me ask you, what is illegal about a officer saying something to the effect" you guys got anything you shouldn't"
I do it all the time, if they say no,I might ask do you mind if I search,If they say yes go ahead, either I do, because of my suspicions or I dont. If I do they will sign a consent to search form.
Sometimes someone will come clean, I've gone to court on these and the search is never a problem. Because I conduct all my stops exactly the same, same questions, same procedure.If someone says ''no I dont want to be searched or my car to be searched'', I move on.
there is nothing illegal about asking questions.Nor is there anything to lie about.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

Police Academy InstructorAre you attempting to convey to this space cadet that if your a law enforcer you could lose your job for being caught with one joint??

After reading the postings on this board I have learned that some law enforcement are rapists, spousal & child abusers, thieves and drug users who stalk women in attempt to get laid on the job, and every one of them still have their jobs.

Space cadet: stop being such a pussy, the cop may confiscate the joint for his own personal use.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD
This was a interesting discussion until the usual simple minders ruined it. Seems any thread that is a mature discussion becomes a pig trough as soon as they attempt to distract the posters.
Lady, if you are a female, whatever happened between you your kid and the cops,PLEASE start your own thread. PLEASE do not post here about it. I would welcome any serious input you have on this discussion, but PLEASE do not make vague inuendos about other issues.
Police inst. if you are any type of actual law enforcement, you would know officers are allowed to ask questions at a traffic stop.
If someone admits to violating a law, that is their own fault.
I think you just like twisting a thread into your own little diatribe.
You obviously have some issues with real police, but I doubt you actually have any experience. I would ask the other poster posting here to ignore you and the other troll, and if my suspicions are correct you and her are probably one in the same.
how about it, lets ignore the TROLL(S)

Please heed the posts directed at you, stick to the topic or leave.

Are going to tell me there are posting laws now?? Well its about time!!! I have about 25 screen names I'd like to complain about, most of which are here on this chat board. I'd also like to know why most are annonymous and most seem to know who I am.

I hope to see all of you in court someday.

Are going to tell me there are posting laws now?? Well its about time!!! I have about 25 screen names I'd like to complain about, most of which are here on this chat board. I'd also like to know why most are annonymous and most seem to know who I am.

I hope to see all of you in court someday

Who are you?
PLEASE stay on topic?

If someone admits to violating a law, that is their own fault.


THE LAW VIOLATES THE LAW.

While the TAXPAYERS pay :x

someone admits to violating a law, that is their own fault.



THE LAW VIOLATES THE LAW.

While the TAXPAYERS pay


Let the silliness begin..................

[Police Academy Instructor]

This was a interesting discussion until the usual simple minders ruined it. Seems any thread that is a mature discussion becomes a pig trough...

"becomes a pig trough"....No pun intended, right?

Police inst. if you are any type of actual law enforcement, you would know officers are allowed to ask questions at a traffic stop.

I never said the police are not entitled to ask questions. I would hope officers who develop a gut feeling that criminality is afoot, would follow their feeling and investigate further by asking questions.

If someone admits to violating a law, that is their own fault.

I absolutely agree. I even wrote about this in an earlier post.

I think you just like twisting a thread into your own little diatribe.

You could be correct, or, I could be attempting to keep the discussion on topic.

You obviously have some issues with real police,

You might be right...it probably has something to do with hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy swings both ways. As does RESPECT. You gotta give it to get it.

Ok, I'll return to my own topic, the one you suggested I make. The one nobody dares to post on. The one will have deleted by morning.

Uh ohhhh, I hear the wHoOp WoOp out there.

[Finally The Truth]

Everyone knows that chatti-patti and this alleged "police acacdemy instructor" are full of it. Especially "instructor" Honestly, who do you think you are? Let's try and spread a false sense of police illegal "intrusive" searches. Let's tell people to contact the ACLU. You are a pathetic, half-way finished, law school student. Every cop knows the law. This is a POLICE thread, and citizens (at least some) have a valid question, as this guy did. Good or bad. But just like every other thread, you chime in with your WRONG information and you liberal BS. Knock it off. There is a place for guys like you to post, it is called the "Personals". Get a life and get laid. Maybe then you'll stay off of the police threads.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

Everyone knows that chatti-patti and this alleged "police acacdemy instructor" are full of it. Especially "instructor" Honestly, who do you think you are? Let's try and spread a false sense of police illegal "intrusive" searches. Let's tell people to contact the ACLU. You are a pathetic, half-way finished, law school student. Every cop knows the law. This is a POLICE thread, and citizens (at least some) have a valid question, as this guy did. Good or bad. But just like every other thread, you chime in with your WRONG information and you liberal BS. Knock it off. There is a place for guys like you to post, it is called the "Personals". Get a life and get laid. Maybe then you'll stay off of the police threads.
ignore the trolls

[Finally The Truth]

10-4

[the sound of the police]

I hear the wHoOp WoOp out there.
whoop whoop its the souns of the police
whoop whoop working their beat
whoop whoop

Your not in Kindergarden any longer. You're an adult. That bull turd act of Officer Dudley Do Right is a cartoon act of theirs in blue with a tin badge. A police officer has anywhere from 20 to 30 years to go, make their bones and the public is their target. Think they really care about you? They don't give a rats ass about you or anybody else but themselves. They are corrupted just like any other person. All of them has this warped view of the real world and they only think of it as one way, their way even when they are wrong. Place their mistakes on their records when violating the publics trust. Let them account for the error of their ways, too. Stand up for yourself because you will have that arrest on yours for the rest of your life, too till the day you die.

Your not in Kindergarden any longer. You're an adult. That bull turd act of Officer Dudley Do Right is a cartoon act of theirs in blue with a tin badge. A police officer has anywhere from 20 to 30 years to go, make their bones and the public is their target. Think they really care about you? They don't give a rats ass about you or anybody else but themselves. They are corrupted just like any other person. All of them has this warped view of the real world and they only think of it as one way, their way even when they are wrong. Place their mistakes on their records when violating the publics trust. Let them account for the error of their ways, too. Stand up for yourself because you will have that arrest on yours for the rest of your life, too till the day you die.
Yeah its his fault you had illegal drugs and offered it to him, go get him tiger

[Police Academy Instructor]

Especially "instructor" Honestly, who do you think you are?

I'm the guy who helps keep these threads alive. Why, who are you?

Let's try and spread a false sense of police illegal "intrusive" searches.

False? Obviously we have different life experiences.

You are a pathetic, half-way finished, law school student.

Do you know this to be fact or are you just contriving images of me to make yourself feel better?

Every cop knows the law.

Cops know as much about the law as a auto salesperson knows about the engineering that goes into creating the product he sells.

This is a POLICE thread, and citizens (at least some) have a valid question, as this guy did.

Sounds like you went soft on the pothead who started this thread.

But just like every other thread, you chime in with your WRONG information and you liberal BS.

Lets have some fun. Why don't you quote my WRONG & liberal BS?


Knock it off. There is a place for guys like you to post, it is called the "Personals". Get a life and get laid. Maybe then you'll stay off of the police threads.

I ordered a vibrating vagina from SexToys.com. I'll post a review of the product as soon as it arrives and I've had the opportunity to put it through a rigorous series of tests.

I ordered a vibrating vagina from SexToys.com. I'll post a review of the product as soon as it arrives and I've had the opportunity to put it through a rigorous series of tests
what happened to your mangina? cobwebs too thick

[1st time offender]

I had no idea there were so many wackos posting on this board. But i'd like to thank those who actually did respond to my question.

Now that I think about it I was pretty stupid for handing the officer the joint. I was wearing my seatbelt and not doing anything wrong that would cause the officer to search me. Next time I am stopped by an officer I am going to take your advice and not be so cooperative.

Get a life and get laid.

How pitiful that you feel getting laid is what life is all about. It appears to me that men find getting laid to solve all their problms when in reality its just a bandaid for deeper issues.

Women need so much more than "getting laid" in order to feel completion. And until you grow up and realize this you'll never succeed in pleasing a woman. Especially if you feel she should "get laid" to have a fruitful life.

The reason I post on this thread is to expose the DISGRACEFUL ABUSIVE way I was treated by police and sheriff personnel. And until I am able to overcome the reality of not being able to trust those we are supposed to trust, LAW ENFORCEMENT and our LEGAL SYSTEM you can expect more from me.

How pitiful that you feel getting laid is what life is all about. It appears to me that men find getting laid to solve all their problms when in reality its just a bandaid for deeper issues.

Women need so much more than "getting laid" in order to feel completion. And until you grow up and realize this you'll never succeed in pleasing a woman. Especially if you feel she should "get laid" to have a fruitful life.

The reason I post on this thread is to expose the DISGRACEFUL ABUSIVE way I was treated by police and sheriff personnel. And until I am able to overcome the reality of not being able to trust those we are supposed to trust, LAW ENFORCEMENT and our LEGAL SYSTEM you can expect more fromGet a life and get laid.
Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children

Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children

My 19 yr old was a child??? Why not ask the arresting officer JUSTO RIVERA why he beat his 5 year old stepson and this child ended up in the hospital? Why not ask the SCPD why they hired a man involved in rape allegations who never paased his psych eval? Furthermore why is this criminal of the police force???

THATS WHY I BEGAN POSTING HERE :x THEY SENT JUSTO RIVERA TO MY HOME. HE ACCUSED ME OF DOING THINGS HE NEVER WITNESSED. HE CALLED ME A CUNT AND HIS PARTNER CALLED ME A WHORE. JUSTO RIVERA GRABBED HIS CROTCH AND GESTERED TO ME WITH IT. AT THE PRECINCT IN FRONT OF SEVERAL COPS HE THREW KISSES TO ME AS ANOTHER COP EGGED HIM ON SAYING "I THINK SHE LIKES YOU"

WHY DID THIS HAPPEN??????????

Don't blame me. BLAME THE SYSTEM. The way i see it they have alot fo repeat offenders driving around in cars toting guns, all of which the taxpayers pay for.

Please spare me your accusations about things you know ZIPPO about. WHY ARE THERE CRIMINALS PATROLLING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS??

My 19 yr old was a child??? Why not ask the arresting officer JUSTO RIVERA why he beat his 5 year old stepson and this child ended up in the hospital? Why not ask the SCPD why they hired a man involved in rape allegations who never paased his psych eval? Furthermore why is this criminal of the police force???

THATS WHY I BEGAN POSTING HERE THEY SENT JUSTO RIVERA TO MY HOME. HE ACCUSED ME OF DOING THINGS HE NEVER WITNESSED. HE CALLED ME A CUNT AND HIS PARTNER CALLED ME A WHORE. JUSTO RIVERA GRABBED HIS CROTCH AND GESTERED TO ME WITH IT. AT THE PRECINCT IN FRONT OF SEVERAL COPS HE THREW KISSES TO ME AS ANOTHER COP EGGED HIM ON SAYING "I THINK SHE LIKES YOU"

WHY DID THIS HAPPEN??????????

Don't blame me. BLAME THE SYSTEM. The way i see it they have alot fo repeat offenders driving around in cars toting guns, all of which the taxpayers pay for.

Please spare me your accusations about things you know ZIPPO about. WHY ARE THERE CRIMINALS PATROLLING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS??


hmmmm ok i see its true it is very easy to push your buttons and get you to make a complete horse's butt of yourself
thanks, that made my day
btw i'll set u off again Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children

[/quote] hmmmm ok i see its true it is very easy to push your buttons and get you to make a complete horse's butt of yourself
thanks, that made my day btw i'll set u off again Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children

The only horse's ass here is you. And a lame one at that.

[Roger*Rabbit]

:lol: :D :shock: :lol: :D :shock: :D :shock:

I had no idea there were so many wackos posting on this board. But i'd like to thank those who actually did respond to my question.

Welcome to the internet......Fair play for anyone who cares to vent their anguish or desires :lol: :D :shock: :lol: :D :shock:

The only horse's ass here is you.
no you!!!!!!!!!!!

Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children

My 19 yr old was a child??? Why not ask the arresting officer JUSTO RIVERA why he beat his 5 year old stepson and this child ended up in the hospital? Why not ask the SCPD why they hired a man involved in rape allegations who never paased his psych eval? Furthermore why is this criminal of the police force???

THATS WHY I BEGAN POSTING HERE :x THEY SENT JUSTO RIVERA TO MY HOME. HE ACCUSED ME OF DOING THINGS HE NEVER WITNESSED. HE CALLED ME A CUNT AND HIS PARTNER CALLED ME A WHORE. JUSTO RIVERA GRABBED HIS CROTCH AND GESTERED TO ME WITH IT. AT THE PRECINCT IN FRONT OF SEVERAL COPS HE THREW KISSES TO ME AS ANOTHER COP EGGED HIM ON SAYING "I THINK SHE LIKES YOU"

WHY DID THIS HAPPEN??????????

Don't blame me. BLAME THE SYSTEM. The way i see it they have alot fo repeat offenders driving around in cars toting guns, all of which the taxpayers pay for.

Please spare me your accusations about things you know ZIPPO about. WHY ARE THERE CRIMINALS PATROLLING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS??

He's on the job because of political correctness JU cant not hire me meng I's hispanic.

The only horse's ass here is you.

no you!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you are.

Anonymous wrote:
Quote:
The only horse's ass here is you.

no you!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you are.

Stop pissin away our tax dollars and get to work.

Stop pissin away our tax dollars and get to work
You are paying me? Gee at home on the computer, scratching my nuts, feeding my son, on MY DAY OFF? wow thanks, i didnt know.This job gets better every day,
F'N TROLL
go find a hobby other than cops

Quote:
Right it should be ruin a life and beat your children


My 19 yr old was a child??? Why not ask the arresting officer JUSTO RIVERA why he beat his 5 year old stepson and this child ended up in the hospital? Why not ask the SCPD why they hired a man involved in rape allegations who never paased his psych eval? Furthermore why is this criminal of the police force???

THATS WHY I BEGAN POSTING HERE THEY SENT JUSTO RIVERA TO MY HOME. HE ACCUSED ME OF DOING THINGS HE NEVER WITNESSED. HE CALLED ME A CUNT AND HIS PARTNER CALLED ME A WHORE. JUSTO RIVERA GRABBED HIS CROTCH AND GESTERED TO ME WITH IT. AT THE PRECINCT IN FRONT OF SEVERAL COPS HE THREW KISSES TO ME AS ANOTHER COP EGGED HIM ON SAYING "I THINK SHE LIKES YOU"

WHY DID THIS HAPPEN??????????

Don't blame me. BLAME THE SYSTEM. The way i see it they have alot fo repeat offenders driving around in cars toting guns, all of which the taxpayers pay for.

Please spare me your accusations about things you know ZIPPO about. WHY ARE THERE CRIMINALS PATROLLING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS??


He's on the job because of political correctness JU cant not hire me meng I's hispanic.




c'mon now thats the 3rd pct, JU want white dudes working their

The only horse's ass here is you.


no you!!!!!!!!!!!


No, you are
no you

I cannot believe it! I went to a public place, paid for by MY TAX DOLLARS to see my "sweet daughter" and barely got her name and "I'm concerned for you" out of my mouth, (I was actually rendered speechless, no easy feat since Im not known to be a quiet person) when lo & behold the police are calling me waring me not to ever step foot on the property.

There was no confrontation, nor words of anger, or threats. But I was warned that I cannot go on the property of a building that was built and vehicles parked there were paid for with MY TAX DOLLARS.

WELL PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOUR DONATION LIST??


I'VE PAID ENOUGH TO SUPPORT YOU ALL THRU MY TAXES.

Just a little hint tho....THE NEXT TIME THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ME TO PARK WHEN I GO SHOPPING AT VILLAGE MARKET, I may just consider parking in YOUR LOT!

cannot believe it! I went to a public place, paid for by MY TAX DOLLARS to see my "sweet daughter" and barely got her name and "I'm concerned for you" out of my mouth, (I was actually rendered speechless, no easy feat since Im not known to be a quiet person) when lo & behold the police are calling me waring me not to ever step foot on the property.

There was no confrontation, nor words of anger, or threats. But I was warned that I cannot go on the property of a building that was built and vehicles parked there were paid for with MY TAX DOLLARS.

WELL PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOUR DONATION LIST??


I'VE PAID ENOUGH TO SUPPORT YOU ALL THRU MY TAXES.

Just a little hint tho....THE NEXT TIME THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ME TO PARK WHEN I GO SHOPPING AT VILLAGE MARKET, I may just consider parking in YOUR LOT!
Excellent, sounds like someone got banished. The old trespassing warning.
By the way, what does your taxes have to do with anything? you pay for alot of places you have no right to be, like the white house

Excellent, sounds like someone got banished. The old trespassing warning. By the way, what does your taxes have to do with anything? you pay for alot of places you have no right to be, like the white house

My taxes??? Who the hell else will be supporting you county employee's once all the middle class folks leave LI? You'll all be supporting each other and your salaries will dip when you relaize nobody respects or wants to pay your astronomical salaries any longer!

The White House, huh?? I will go wherever I please. If you want to risk arresting me for it, so be it. It won't be the first time. And I'm fully prepared for if & when it happens again.

By the way, I was not banished.....I was warned via phone call.
It amazes me that ANYONE can call 911, claiming ANYTHING and have the police threaten arrest or actually have someone arrested.

My taxes??? Who the hell else will be supporting you county employee's once all the middle class folks leave LI? You'll all be supporting each other and your salaries will dip when you relaize nobody respects or wants to pay your astronomical salaries any longer!

The White House, huh?? I will go wherever I please. If you want to risk arresting me for it, so be it. It won't be the first time. And I'm fully prepared for if & when it happens again.

By the way, I was not banished.....I was warned via phone call.
It amazes me that ANYONE can call 911, claiming ANYTHING and have the police threaten arrest or actually have someone arrested
The people left here that can afford living here and not cry about their taxes.
Oh frequent flyer huh? By the way thanks folks like you ensure my job security.
Shocking how the law works, huh?

cannot believe it! I went to a public place, paid for by MY TAX DOLLARS to see my "sweet daughter" and barely got her name and "I'm concerned for you" out of my mouth, (I was actually rendered speechless, no easy feat since Im not known to be a quiet person) when lo & behold the police are calling me waring me not to ever step foot on the property.


Nothing like a close knit mother daughter story, warms the cockles of me heart, sigh
Hopefully you'll keep us updated on this site so as we could laugh at your miserable little life

Hopefully you'll keep us updated on this site so as we could laugh at your miserable little life

Hey keep me posted when you get here! And you will, "judges" like you eventually are dropped to your knees. hey gimme a holla, maybe I can offer you some advice. TOUGH LOVE :cry:

[robert freimann]

Are you attempting to convey to this space cadet that if your a law enforcer you could lose your job for being caught with one joint??

After reading the postings on this board I have learned that some law enforcement are rapists, spousal & child abusers, thieves and drug users who stalk women in attempt to get laid on the job, and every one of them still have their jobs.

Space cadet: stop being such a pussy, the cop may confiscate the joint for his own personal use. I always find it to be refreshing to see how many A-HOLES emerge on this site...

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD


Really where was that posted?
At least they dont beat their kids!

[/quote]At least they dont beat their kids![/quote]

Oh, yes they do.

At least they dont beat their kids!

Oh, yes they do.[/quote]
Oh no they dont

this is your expertise,chime in again will ya?

This isn't legal advice, but......... 1. Paying for a lawyer wont change the outcome much. Unlawful Possession of Marij. 221.05 P.L. and released on the scene with a F.A.T. is a non fingerprintable violation. Since you claim to not have a prior arrest record the charge will automatically be ACOD for probably one year. Arraignment in Contemplation of Dismissal a big phrase meaning that as long as you don't get arrested for something else within one year the charge will be "dropped". Worst case scenario you will have to pay a fine. 2. Unless you shoot your mouth to one of your co-workers or the arresting officer knows your boss your job probably won't find out. Unless you work for a Police Department or District Attorneys office. If you work for the Federal Govt. and have some form of a security clearance you may have other problems. 3. You are pissing into the wind if you think that on something this trivial you are getting any where regarding the "cops had no legal reason to pull us over" line. You gave up your joint voluntarily. If the cop searched you without some legal reason you could hire an attorney pay 1500-3500 and the same outcome would probably result.

Are you attempting to convey to this space cadet that if your a law enforcer you could lose your job for being caught with one joint??

After reading the postings on this board I have learned that some law enforcement are rapists, spousal & child abusers, thieves and drug users who stalk women in attempt to get laid on the job, and every one of them still have their jobs.

Space cadet: stop being such a pussy, the cop may confiscate the joint for his own personal use.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD :roll:didnt you lose your job with one joint, you know it wasnt your , 2nd hand smoke, you were holding it, all those gems

it was his 1st time, every skell like him i collar tells me the same story, 1st time i used, 1st time i stole, 1st time i bit someone during a dispute


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[mesno]

were u banned when you posted this?

[Unregistered33]

Right take it from one who knows, lie to the cops.He is right though, only if you are violating a law the cops are not your friends.
I doubt you are a decent person, you are holding drugs and your friend is carrying drug paraphenalia, maybe this will be the wake up call you need to change yourself around.Probably not though, I'm glad that he got you before the two of you drove around high thinking irrationally of what kind of ''fun'' you could have.

I shudder to think you have a job with the government. How old are you? You sound slightly less mature than the person claiming to be a instructor of some sort, yet having little more than NYPD blues legal advice.
By the way, dont listen to shwartz report lawyers, in a case as minimal as this, you'd never go to court, bring a lawyer and its pled down to something silly, like a dis con
Unless you want to make a public case of it, have it all over the news.

Yea, what this person said, whatever you do.. DO NOT drive around high, for it only makes you more aware of your surroundings and drive hell of a lot safer.. for me I'd rather chug a 24 pack of Milwaukees Beast and drive around because I am much more declined to think irrationally.