Drug testing for teachers...........

How come teachers are not tested for drugs?

How come teachers are not tested for drugs?

Would be a good idea

[do it]

lets do it but the union would say no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Why would the union be against drug testing for teachers? you would think the union would want qualified employees who are not drug users. Most teachers would not be opposed to drug tests, only the dirty ones would. Is the union afraid that some teachers would fail ???

why should teachers have to get drug tested, they only work with our children! :lol:

[Ragin']

And test the gym teachers for 'roids.

:twisted: good idea.... how do we get this started...newsday??

[Fisherman]

why should teachers have to get drug tested, they only work with our children! :lol:


I think drug testing should be required of everyone. I would take it one step further: Drug test the kids, the teachers and the parents. Do you think the parents will object? Forget about Union objections, the parents will go beserk.

Hey what about your job, do you get drug tested? :lol:

[guest291]

why should teachers have to get drug tested, they only work with our children! :lol:


I think drug testing should be required of everyone. I would take it one step further: Drug test the kids, the teachers and the parents. Do you think the parents will object? Forget about Union objections, the parents will go beserk.

Hey what about your job, do you get drug tested? :lol:


I agree, everyone should be tested, including the people who write on this forum!

[Schoolie]

After having to deal with administrators who have no balls.....kids who are never at fault....parents who feel teachers are not teaching....taxpayers who bitch about everything salary related.....why shouldn't teachers do drugs......I would.....and nope ya dope......not a teach nor related to any........

Since teachers work with our children they should be tested for drugs. It's not so much the older teachers who will be worried.....it will be the young teachers just out of college who will fail! A lot of the young teachers still smoke pot or worse. Important public jobs like teachers MUST be tested. Firemen, police officers, and even garbage men get tested... why not teachers ????? what are we hiding?

[reality sandwich]

teachers aren't tested but cops, garbage men, and firefighters are b/c teachers have a better and stronger union! :o

with that last post i guess some of us are afraid of failing....So the union is strong b/c they don't want to expose dirty teachers ? the union should be proud.

[wowser]

There is a test case in which teachers were asked to be tested from Patchogue - Medford. There was litigation , and the school board lost the case
These are the same teachers who advocate testing for students, but not them. Good for goose but not for gander
many professions are required to test employees and they not dealing with precious children.
So the question really is what are they afraid of or what are they hiding
Union is way too strong, and have lots of pac funds for politicions so there is the answer

hey fisherman, if parents and kids are to be tested, are they gonna split your salary?.......................... take responsibility for your own job. All i'm saying is i don't want some teacher to have a flashback while teaching my child or have my kid ask me why their teachers' cigarette smells funny. How would you explain that to your children?

The bottom line is that teachers should be tested. Is there anyone out there that can give a good reason why teachers should not be tested? ...as far as students being tested, it's not going to happen and it shouldn't. Students are not getting paid tax payer dollars to go to school, teachers are. it's up to the parents to make sure their kids are drug free. We pay our teachers salary and want clean teachers which is not much to ask for.....what can be done??

The bottom line is that teachers should be tested. Is there anyone out there that can give a good reason why teachers should not be tested? ...as far as students being tested, it's not going to happen and it shouldn't. Students are not getting paid tax payer dollars to go to school, teachers are. it's up to the parents to make sure their kids are drug free. We pay our teachers salary and want clean teachers which is not much to ask for.....what can be done??

Hey dont pass on the idea of students being tested. Its actually not a bad idea. Students may not be getting paid our tax dollars but our tax dollars are going for their education.

Test both students and teachers

[Fisherman]

hey fisherman, if parents and kids are to be tested, are they gonna split your salary?.......................... take responsibility for your own job. All i'm saying is i don't want some teacher to have a flashback while teaching my child or have my kid ask me why their teachers' cigarette smells funny. How would you explain that to your children?


Typical dumb assumption. I am not a teacher, I am commercial fisherman. If it wasn't for some great teachers I had, I would have probably been wasted on drugs.

Think about what you are saying. You sound like a fool. Trust me when I tell you drugs are used in all professions. I challenge you to volunteer in a rehab facility and see that it isn't the teachers that have the problems using drugs. I can speak first hand, I helped out at the VA for many years. You would be surprised how many people have alcohol and drug problems.

By the way, why don't you become a teacher. Start with approx. $35,000 and after 15 years, two masters degrees you can earn approx. $84,000....(Ask for a salary schedule at your next board meeting or ask a teacher who I am sure you know.)

I make a lot more fishing!

:lol:

[Tenured4life]

Please test me. Then test your financial advisor, the gas station attendant, your lawyer, and how about your personal trainer. Teachers drink (which isn't that good either) The previous group is a considerably greater risk for drug use. Aside from the gas guy, the rest can afford the habit. Teachers that waste their money on drugs are rare. Check out one of the back streets by Wall Street sometime. More pot there than I care to mention. 7 figure boys know how to go deep. 5 figure educators just can't keep up the pace. Then lets test the kids. Which by the way is now legal.

the people smoking pot behind wall street aren't on the taxpayers dollar, and they don't work with helping mold our youth....... look at it this way, kids are taught in school all the cheesy say no to drugs slogan, what is the outcome gonna be when they find out a teacher was arrested for using drugs.... kind of like being hypocrits

[Tenured4life]

the people smoking pot behind wall street aren't on the taxpayers dollar, and they don't work with helping mold our youth....... look at it this way, kids are taught in school all the cheesy say no to drugs slogan, what is the outcome gonna be when they find out a teacher was arrested for using drugs.... kind of like being hypocrits


You're right, they aren't on the taxpayers dollar. They just invest your net income or pre-tax dollars. Teachers are not drug users by nature. But I have an idea, why not test all civil servants regularly if you're so hung up on tax dollars. Woops, each test costs $150. Who pays for that? I know, how about the taxpayer. But you're right, it looks bad when teachers get nailed. Just like when priests get nailed, cops, firemen, etc. Let he who has no sin pay for the first drug test.

I guess you are not familiar with other civil service jobs, but they DO test for drugs. There is no way that a garbage man is a more important job than a teacher and they get tested. It is sad that any teacher would defend or want drug users working with them because it brings down the name of the many great teachers out there. Wall street or any other job like it has NOTHING to do teaching. If the union has nothing to hide then let's go foward with the testing... are they afraid of making the front page of Newsday???? ... i think so.

[Tenured4life]

I agree with you and I realize that tests are performed. But I guess teachers are just as important as Baseball players. Teachers will eventually be forced into it, just as tenure will be eliminated. More Bush at work. :cry:

Check out what Gates said today. :shock:

Problem with eliminating tenure is that it opens the door for personal vendettas. There won't be enough to go around and we'll be in the same boat as private schools. Poor quality and low pay. Long Island will be a ghost town (A Spanish ghost town) in 10 years if we're not careful. :(

[Fisherman]

I did some research. Tenure doesn't mean a thing when a teacher screws up. The district can bring a 3020a hearing against the teacher, prove the charge and the teacher is gone......so much for tenure.

As for drug testing: Someone made a comment that teachers work with kids and mold them. I guess you are saying that teachers are important. So why do you have a problem paying them?
Ask for a salary statement and do the simple average salary a teacher makes from start to finish. It is a lot lower than those six figure salaries you quote.

I drop my kid off at 7:00 am. The schools are filled with teachers who arrive early and stay late. How many of you get to work early and stay late without overtime?

Bottomline. YOU THINK THE GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. Do the walk and stop the talk. Quit your job and become a teacher.

And for the dummy that thinks I am a teacher, I am not! I just appreciate what they did for me and now my kids. :!:

Problem with eliminating tenure is that it opens the door for personal vendettas.

Funny thing is, all teachers claim they could (as if they would automatically) earn MORE in the private sector. The private sector has no tenure. I don't see people in the private sector getting fired left and right for "personal vendettas."

[Truthsayer1 the original]

I'm a teacher and I have no problem with drug testing. I think everyone who is paid by taxpayers should be drug tested. Let's start with the President and work our way down.

Parents, we can't force them to be tested but the next time a parent shows up a little tipsy or appears to have been drinking or doing something else a call to Child Protective Services will be made.

Is everyone ready to be held up to the same scrutiny? be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

[Drug Test Em ALl]

I'm a teacher and I have no problem with drug testing. I think everyone who is paid by taxpayers should be drug tested. Let's start with the President and work our way down.

Parents, we can't force them to be tested but the next time a parent shows up a little tipsy or appears to have been drinking or doing something else a call to Child Protective Services will be made.

Is everyone ready to be held up to the same scrutiny? be careful what you wish for, you might get it.


I would love to see some of those Suozzi Hacks drug tested. They probably know more about drugs than anyone in Nassau County!

[Fisherman]

Problem with eliminating tenure is that it opens the door for personal vendettas.

Funny thing is, all teachers claim they could (as if they would automatically) earn MORE in the private sector. The private sector has no tenure. I don't see people in the private sector getting fired left and right for "personal vendettas."

I had a discussion with a woman who lost her husband in the World Trade Center. She left private business figuring that the hours would be better for her to take care of her children. She commented: She felt she works harder in teaching since her day is extended to home marking papers. She had to learn to plan pit stops since she was used to leaving her desk whenever she wanted......AND, the clincher: The money is horrible. She said she took a tremendous cut from her old job. Fortunately she was compensated for her loss.

BE HONEST: What do you do for a living? Evry job looks greener on the otherside until you do it.

hey fisherman, i'm not sure what planet your living on but teachers on the island after 15 years were in the six figures as an average in the town of hempstead, i looked it up.. even if there are districts that are a little lower, THEY ONLY WORK 8 MONTHS A YEAR. ......... I do think teachers are important, that's why i think it's important they are sober when teaching (my original point).. And they get off work latest 4 0'clock. I don't remember the last time i was home at that time.. Ask anyone who takes the train back and forth from the city everyday and see if they work from 7 to 4 (no chance).........
Your denying your a teacher so much it makes it seem like you are. Be proud of your profession. I mean you have enough time off that you could be a full time fisherman as well :lol:

I'm a teacher and I have no problem with drug testing. I think everyone who is paid by taxpayers should be drug tested. Let's start with the President and work our way down.


Is everyone ready to be held up to the same scrutiny? be careful what you wish for, you might gParents, we can't force them to be tested but the next time a parent shows up a little tipsy or appears to have been drinking or doing something else a call to Child Protective Services will be made.
et it.

Stop comparing yourself to parents. You should be responsible for your own actions. Maybe that parent does get drug tested, or doesn't work and is a drunk; that doesn't mean that you should be too. Take responsibility for your own job, you take a civil service job that means you work for the public, you work with kids then you should get drug tested, stop being so liberal and passing the buck to everyone else

[Fisherman]

hey fisherman, i'm not sure what planet your living on but teachers on the island after 15 years were in the six figures as an average in the town of hempstead, i looked it up.. even if there are districts that are a little lower, THEY ONLY WORK 8 MONTHS A YEAR. ......... I do think teachers are important, that's why i think it's important they are sober when teaching (my original point).. And they get off work latest 4 0'clock. I don't remember the last time i was home at that time.. Ask anyone who takes the train back and forth from the city everyday and see if they work from 7 to 4 (no chance).........
Your denying your a teacher so much it makes it seem like you are. Be proud of your profession. I mean you have enough time off that you could be a full time fisherman as well :lol:

That's weird, sounds like you don't beleive me. If you think I am a teacher so be it. I am not sure your facts are correct. I will check mine out next week when I see a friend of mine who is a teacher.

I'll give you the name of a school district and quote the salary schedule........and I will agree not everyone works from 7-4 or 8-5......but quite a few do out of dedication.

As for working days: Teachers 183 days, Suffolk County Cops 200 days and the average joe with only a two week vacation and no holidays is 250 days. How many people do you know that get only a two week vaca a year after being with a company for 15 years?

As for what planet I am from: Earth

I am curious what is your profession....or is it a secret?

i don't see the your point, i agree the everyday working joe works the most. that was my point. i am one of the everyday joes who packs on the train like a sardine everyday and makes the commute. don't know why or about how many days a cop works, but that's not a lot that a teacher works

[Fisherman]

i don't see the your point, i agree the everyday working joe works the most. that was my point. i am one of the everyday joes who packs on the train like a sardine everyday and makes the commute. don't know why or about how many days a cop works, but that's not a lot that a teacher works


Amen..... I think we basically agree on this dumb topic.

On a lighter side, I usually break my friends chops when she is off...her response is "how come your off too?"

By the way, did you say what you did for a living.

I believe the topic was drug testing teachers not how much money they made, days they work, or if they would like to buy some fish. Please go to the fisherman's forum if you are really a fisherman. i heard those topics are more interesting (new bait, etc.)....

Teachers should be drug tested, is there anyone out there that can give a good reason why not without passing the liberal buck?

[Fisherman]

I believe the topic was drug testing teachers not how much money they made, days they work, or if they would like to buy some fish. Please go to the fisherman's forum if you are really a fisherman. i heard those topics are more interesting (new bait, etc.)....

Teachers should be drug tested, is there anyone out there that can give a good reason why not without passing the liberal buck?

Now now, don't get nasty. We got side tracked. Thanks for keeping the forum on target.

But you still seem to be afraid to say what you do for a living. Why is that? I think your afraid to be drug tested.

i do not see what my profession has to do with anything, but i am a civil servant too, a firefighter. i know all about drug testing and i have no problem with it. i don't care about drug tests b/c i don't use drugs. if i was on wall street nobody should care if i used or not, but i am a civil servant just like teachers....So can anyone give a good reason teachers should not be tested and almost all other civil servant jobs are? I thought teaching was a respectable profession .........so what is there to hide?

Im a teacher and your right whats the big deal. Even if a teacher had a problem there would probably be help for him or her. And I am not talking about baseball players 2nd chances.

[Lenny the Lab]

Every legitimate drug test costs between $110-$165......multiply that by amount of teachers in your district........doink........tax increase...............this post is dead.

[Lab lenny]

There is no reason the cost could not be included in teacher contract negotiations. Mandate that all teachers need it yearly or bi yearly at the descretion of the district and let the teachers deduct it on their income tax. Teachers do deduct classroom materials that they pay for.

Money should not be the problem.

[The Union Rep]

You Lab....truly need to educate yourself on contracts.Your comment is void of any sense.

If the cost is so high to test then how can all the other civ/service jobs do it? school taxes are the highest anyway....i would love to see this happen

You Lab....truly need to educate yourself on contracts.Your comment is void of any sense.
I don't see what the argument is for. Do you agree that a teacher who does drugs shouldn't be working with kids anymore? of course. Plain and simple, i don't think teachers make too much nor do i have a problem with paying for a drug test.. I just want to have my kid taught by a drug free teacher................ Pretty scary that people are arguing against this idea

Well according to some of the post's here, it's Bush's fault that teachers might get drug tested. Can you imagine that? the gov't stepping in and trying to protect our kids against drug using teachers...damn conservatives are trying to destroy everything that liberals stand for!!!!!!

what % of teachers do you believe are using illegal drugs?

we have all worked with people that we knew had a drug problem and it's a shame.

[westend567]

test them all

[Dr. Feelgood]

what % of teachers do you believe are using illegal drugs?

I would guess about 90%. Teachers have to take drugs to deal with the snot nosed kids and their dopey parents. The other 10% are alcoholics who drink on the job especially prep periods. All the P.E. teachers are on roids or human growth hormones and the administrators are all sex perverts. Now that the truth is out, do you all feel better? How about DNA testing all the parents so we can corner the defective genes in society and have mandatory sterilization of all undesirables. In twenty or so years we'll have a superior race of humans which will....oh sorry that was done already.

[Dr Not So Feelgood]

You have some nerve!!!!!! You guess is way off............90%?

No more than 50% of teachers take 'illegal narcs' but about 25% drink excessively.PE teachers love and romp with only their ownkind.The Admins are the threat though..............they prefer to procreate themselves with newbie teachers and that is worse than West Virginia incest.

[Doctor Use to Feelgood]

You have some nerve!!!!!! You guess is way off............90%?

No more than 50% of teachers take 'illegal narcs' but about 25% drink excessively.PE teachers love and romp with only their ownkind.The Admins are the threat though..............they prefer to procreate themselves with newbie teachers and that is worse than West Virginia incest.

Home schooling, that's the solution. Get the kids away from those miscreant teachers and administrators and let the parents edumacate their children. Then the world will be a better, smarter, kinder place. IT WILL BE EDEN!

Home schooling, that's the solution. Get the kids away from those miscreant teachers and administrators and let the parents edumacate their children. Then the world will be a better, smarter, kinder place. IT WILL BE EDEN![/quote]


EDUMACATE?

[Dr E. Boniks]

Fo shizzle my nizzle, I did edumacate tha fool!

EDUMACATE?[/quote]

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