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[Unregistered7855736]

Levy, lawmaker clash over police staffing bill
March 9, 2010 By RICK BRAND AND REID EPSTEIN. rick.brand@newsday.com,, reid.epstein@newsday.com

Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy and his chief police critic in the legislature have found a new battlefield - a bill that would require legislative approval before the police department axes, cuts or transfers any of its commands to another agency.

Levy has lambasted the bill, labeling it "one of the most anti-taxpayer pieces of legislation I have ever seen," claiming it would hand over control of the department to the police union. "It's mind-boggling to me that a legislator has now tried to put in a bill to stop the department from running more efficiently," Levy said.

However, the sponsor, Legis. Jack Eddington (I-Medford), chairman of the public safety committee, said the legislation is needed because Levy and his police commissioner, Richard Dormer, often make changes without consulting lawmakers, even though the legislature is the county's official policy-making body. He said significant changes should be aired and debated before action is taken.

"I believe we should get an explanation for major policy shifts," Eddington said.

The proposal is just the latest battle in an ongoing war since Levy got deputy sheriffs in 2008 to take over from county police highway patrols on the Long Island Expressway and Sunrise Highway, a move Levy undertook unilaterally.

Levy maintains the highway change has saved the county $12 million and the bill would handcuff Dormer's ability to make changes quickly. The police union has challenged the legality of the takeover, and they say Levy is cannibalizing needed special units like community policing just to keep patrol cars filled.

But Legis. DuWayne Gregory (D-Amityville), who is concerned violent crime increases in his community, backs Eddington's proposal. "It's unfortunate that it's gotten to the point where we have to legislate communication between the legislative and executive branch," he said.

[Morris Bleeker]

Eddington and Gregory are only interested in votes they can garner from licking the PBA's sweaty, hollow testicles.

Leave Levy alone and let him run his PD the way he sees fit. If he screws up we'll boot him out. But so far I like his taxpayer friendly style.

[Unregistered2115]

Eddington and Gregory are only interested in votes they can garner from licking the PBA's sweaty, hollow testicles.

Leave Levy alone and let him run his PD the way he sees fit. If he screws up we'll boot him out. But so far I like his taxpayer friendly style.

What has his taxpayer friendly style done about the biggest portion of you tax bill that goes up 5-8% a year, your school taxes? The answer is NOTHING! Might he be, as you say, "ball licking the teachers unions sweaty, hollow testicles"(your words, not mine), so he can garner their votes. And how has he and Richie run the PD lately? Obviously you don't read the newspaper or watch the news. Shootings daily, homicides(multiple) weekly! Yeah, keep letting guys go and not hiring anybody, it will only get worse. If you dared to read the paper, you would have read in this weeks snewsday that the mayor of Hempstead, in an attempt to stem the rising crime rate there, said the first thing he did was hire 17 additional police officers(and that's for a 100 man department!). Now that's being PROACTIVE and doing something about crime! You think he hired them to "garner" the votes of the PBA or to try and stem the rising crime rate?

[levy=thumbs down]

Eddington and Gregory are only interested in votes they can garner from licking the PBA's sweaty, hollow testicles.

Leave Levy alone and let him run his PD the way he sees fit. If he screws up we'll boot him out. But so far I like his taxpayer friendly style.

Eddington and Gregory are responsible to the taxpayers that voted them in. With all the current issues within the police district, the crime, the seeming inept management of the dept, etc, I believe it is within the best interests of the taxpayers to have more oversight into how the dept is run.
If crime was down, and the dept was being run efficiently, not frugally, although certainly at minimum cost, I dont think anyone would have an issue.
Scpd needs to come of age. It is still run as if the county was potato fields. Detectives and the majority of police officers do not go out and do proactive patrol. They react, to 911 calls, and investigate. The tiny number of proactive detectives and police are used to supplement the latest negative headline. ;
Heroin use up, start a task force, Violent crime within a community, start a task force.

[no fn clue]

Eddington and Gregory are only interested in votes they can garner from licking the PBA's sweaty, hollow testicles.

Leave Levy alone and let him run his PD the way he sees fit. If he screws up we'll boot him out. But so far I like his taxpayer friendly style.

You my friend have no clue. You are either very bitter (what time was your post) or your first name is Ben, Dick, or Steve. I refuse to believe you are a "concerned" taxpayer who thinks that the C.E. is doing a good job. The only thing he is doing well is covering it up and if look one of the first things he did was put one of his cronies in charge of the public info unit(PIB). That means that the little man decides what to release to the public, many violent crimes occur that the public has no idea about or crime trends that we don't release beacause he does not want the truth known and that is crime is up.

[Unregistered.2909212]

What has his taxpayer friendly style done about the biggest portion of you tax bill that goes up 5-8% a year, your school taxes? The answer is NOTHING! Might he be, as you say, "ball licking the teachers unions sweaty, hollow testicles"(your words, not mine), so he can garner their votes. And how has he and Richie run the PD lately? Obviously you don't read the newspaper or watch the news. Shootings daily, homicides(multiple) weekly! Yeah, keep letting guys go and not hiring anybody, it will only get worse. If you dared to read the paper, you would have read in this weeks snewsday that the mayor of Hempstead, in an attempt to stem the rising crime rate there, said the first thing he did was hire 17 additional police officers(and that's for a 100 man department!). Now that's being PROACTIVE and doing something about crime! You think he hired them to "garner" the votes of the PBA or to try and stem the rising crime rate?

Lets get the facts first before we obliviate. School taxes are up on average 3.8% not the 5-8. Levy does not negotiate with teachers, thats strictly on the school boards. He has nothing to do with school taxes if he did teachers wouldn't be getting raises.
Crime overall is down under levy's watch, violent crime is up. Hempstead has a rising crime rate and has had one for a long time, even back in the 90's and beyond when cops were tripping over each other. The crime rate is down in Nassau even with less cops under Suozzi. Newark and Philadelphia have no shortage of cops but yet they are still the murder capitals of the country.
Your venomous attacks on levy stem from a labor dispute and the highway transfer, absent those conditions, you wouldn't hear a peep from the pba as long you got your raises and those useless 50 highway cops were still hanging out on the lie.
So lets stop the bs.

[.bs.wrong.]

Lets get the facts first before we obliviate. School taxes are up on average 3.8% not the 5-8. Levy does not negotiate with teachers, thats strictly on the school boards. He has nothing to do with school taxes if he did teachers wouldn't be getting raises.
Crime overall is down under levy's watch, violent crime is up. Hempstead has a rising crime rate and has had one for a long time, even back in the 90's and beyond when cops were tripping over each other. The crime rate is down in Nassau even with less cops under Suozzi. Newark and Philadelphia have no shortage of cops but yet they are still the murder capitals of the country.
Your venomous attacks on levy stem from a labor dispute and the highway transfer, absent those conditions, you wouldn't hear a peep from the pba as long you got your raises and those useless 50 highway cops were still hanging out on the lie.
So lets stop the bs.


WRONG...crime is down FROM LAST year, not overall, the fbi has suffolk county up in all areas from 2004.
And Suffolk is one of a handful of areas, in nys that has had a overall crime rise

[././././]

. Newark and Philadelphia have no shortage of cops but yet they are still the murder capitals of the country.


Exactly and they will remain murder capitals.
Suffolk has had a increase in crime, and its crime rate has risen significantly, to the point where on its own the 5 western towns has a higher crime rate then nyc

[Unregisteredthink]

Lets get the facts first before we obliviate. School taxes are up on average 3.8% not the 5-8. Levy does not negotiate with teachers, thats strictly on the school boards. He has nothing to do with school taxes

EXACTLY.
The largest expense in the county, and the county exec refuses to address it in any way shape or form.
silence speaks volumes sometimes.

[Unregistered4161]

Lets get the facts first before we obliviate. School taxes are up on average 3.8% not the 5-8. Levy does not negotiate with teachers, thats strictly on the school boards. He has nothing to do with school taxes if he did teachers wouldn't be getting raises.
Crime overall is down under levy's watch, violent crime is up. Hempstead has a rising crime rate and has had one for a long time, even back in the 90's and beyond when cops were tripping over each other. The crime rate is down in Nassau even with less cops under Suozzi. Newark and Philadelphia have no shortage of cops but yet they are still the murder capitals of the country.
Your venomous attacks on levy stem from a labor dispute and the highway transfer, absent those conditions, you wouldn't hear a peep from the pba as long you got your raises and those useless 50 highway cops were still hanging out on the lie.
So lets stop the bs.

You are truly clueless! Suozzi pushed for a 4% cap on school taxes. Levy pushed for NOTHING as far as school taxes. What's driving people off the island? It's not their police taxes! Might we say it's the skyrotting crime rate and the out of control school taxes. He won't even speak about the consolidation of districts or any other cost saving measures when, dare we say, he needs the backing of the UFT in his quest to run for governor. And now you want to talk about Newark and Philadelphia! It's not that bad in Suffolk YET, but we're headed in that direction. YES, let's stop the BS!

[Unregisteredplease]

Eddington and Gregory are responsible to the taxpayers that voted them in. With all the current issues within the police district, the crime, the seeming inept management of the dept, etc, I believe it is within the best interests of the taxpayers to have more oversight into how the dept is run.
If crime was down, and the dept was being run efficiently, not frugally, although certainly at minimum cost, I dont think anyone would have an issue.
Scpd needs to come of age. It is still run as if the county was potato fields. Detectives and the majority of police officers do not go out and do proactive patrol. They react, to 911 calls, and investigate. The tiny number of proactive detectives and police are used to supplement the latest negative headline. ;
Heroin use up, start a task force, Violent crime within a community, start a task force.

Please, the taxpayers didn't get him in. Our PBA members got him in, without us he is nothing and he knows it! Jack is forever indebted to the PBA!

[CENSUS BUR.]

Newsday paper per day ( $1.00) Cablevision Basic Family Cable 29.95 ($1.00 per day) Aver. price of a gallon of gas currently in Suffolk County $2.70. The aver. price to the tax paying homeowner for a *Full Man Police Department* ($2.50 per day) LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL. WHAT IS YOUR POLICE TAX? WHAT IS YOUR TOWN TAX? DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOUR SCHOOL PORTION? Depending where you live you could be paying ($ 21.00 to $30.00 per day) for your School District! And even more(double) in very wealthy areas!!! Do the math. Take your tax and divide it by 12(months) ! Stop listening to cops, teachers, politicians and boneheads. If you own property on Long Island I hate to say it but the housing market and school taxes/ its management are driving residents off the Island..period! Get Out of NY before Its TOO Late! Remember the OBI? And that was years ago...shame on u!

[23232]

Please, the taxpayers didn't get him in. Our PBA members got him in, without us he is nothing and he knows it! Jack is forever indebted to the PBA!

"Our" members? The only organization you belong to is the Levy Propaganda machine working out of some dark, emo populated boiler room.

Give the people more credit. They're not as stupid as you believe they are.

[Unregistere]

Newsday paper per day ( $1.00) Cablevision Basic Family Cable 29.95 ($1.00 per day) Aver. price of a gallon of gas currently in Suffolk County $2.70. The aver. price to the tax paying homeowner for a *Full Man Police Department* ($2.50 per day) LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL. WHAT IS YOUR POLICE TAX? WHAT IS YOUR TOWN TAX? DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOUR SCHOOL PORTION? Depending where you live you could be paying ($ 21.00 to $30.00 per day) for your School District! And even more(double) in very wealthy areas!!! Do the math. Take your tax and divide it by 12(months) ! Stop listening to cops, teachers, politicians and boneheads. If you own property on Long Island I hate to say it but the housing market and school taxes/ its management are driving residents off the Island..period! Get Out of NY before Its TOO Late! Remember the OBI? And that was years ago...shame on u!

Also just remember it is the "Propery Tax" that pays all that stuff, in turn "Property Owners". So when everyone says "I pay your salaries"......not always true.

[Unregistered707]

it's NOT taxes. it's the price of a house. imagine a piece of crap in Mastic costing $350,000. or a shack in Mt Sinai costing $550,000. it's the cost!!! you don't inquire about the taxes until you've found one you can afford!!!

[Unregistered.]

My police tax is almost 800 dollars a year. 800 / 12= $67.00 a month/ $2.23 per day for police district/scpd
My school distrist tax is $6,295 dollars a year. 6,295 / 12= $524.60/ $17.48 per day for Sachem School District
$2.23 a day for police service vs $17.48 a day for my town's schools.
Im a first time home buyer and I didnt know the real costs.
Can this be true? Schools take this much money to run?
I think the system can do a better job lowering my school tax.

[Unregistereddwad]

"Our" members? The only organization you belong to is the Levy Propaganda machine working out of some dark, emo populated boiler room.

Give the people more credit. They're not as stupid as you believe they are.

U fkn kidding...we didn't knock on doors for nothing to have him forget about us like muratore a**wipe!

[Unregistered707]

your school taxes are paid by approx. 5-10,000 residents depending upon the size of your town. Illegals don't count. your county taxes are paid by 1.3 million!!! of course they're going to be less. establish a county school system !!! and make the payscale based on C.I.'s!!!

[Unregistered33]

School tax = 78% of my bill

Police tax = 7%

End of story!

[StillaRIPOFF]

School tax = 78% of my bill

Police tax = 7%

End of story!


Yes, schools are the bulk of it, but that doesn't mean we get our money's worth in police services, due to tremandous department expense.

Teachers work 38 years, then retire and die after 16. They take up to 25 years to reach their top wage tier. My district alone has got to have over 400 teachers, about 200 bus routes and 11 buildings to maintain.

Contrast that to Suffolk's 2nd Pct. One building. No busses. Maybe a total of 500 cops and we only get 3 police "sectors" worth of service from the 2nd, along with probably 9 other school districts of comparitive size within the 2nd pct. area.

So 24 x 7 x 365 we get 9 cops for 7% of a tax bill. Doesn't make financial sense. Why?

Cops work 20 years, then retire and collect for 40. They only work a few days more than a teacher annually. They reach top pay after only 5 years.

As for crime statistics - they're all skewwed. The economy is in the shitter and everyone knows that increases crime. Fact of life, and doubling the number of police will not stop a break in when someone needs that money to eat.

As for Hwy... who cares? There is no noticable difference on the LIE other than I ALWAYS see the Deputies banging the HOV violators. It's such a frequent occurance now that people don't slow down when they see the light bar - they're all over. When Suffolk did the LIE seeing someone pulled over caused traffic to crawl, it was that unique an experience.

Believe it or not, it is the CE's JOB to hold the line on taxes and it's not his job to see that every SCPD officer is raking in the dough for doing nothing all day. HE works for the people, the lowly "citizens" not the "special" civil servants.

[do nuuthin]

this idiot should work for levy. fuzzy math scholar

[Unregisteredok]

Yes, schools are the bulk of it, but that doesn't mean we get our money's worth in police services, due to tremandous department expense.

Teachers work 38 years, then retire and die after 16. They take up to 25 years to reach their top wage tier. My district alone has got to have over 400 teachers, about 200 bus routes and 11 buildings to maintain.

Contrast that to Suffolk's 2nd Pct. One building. No busses. Maybe a total of 500 cops and we only get 3 police "sectors" worth of service from the 2nd, along with probably 9 other school districts of comparitive size within the 2nd pct. area.

So 24 x 7 x 365 we get 9 cops for 7% of a tax bill. Doesn't make financial sense. Why?

Cops work 20 years, then retire and collect for 40. They only work a few days more than a teacher annually. They reach top pay after only 5 years.

As for crime statistics - they're all skewwed. The economy is in the shitter and everyone knows that increases crime. Fact of life, and doubling the number of police will not stop a break in when someone needs that money to eat.

As for Hwy... who cares? There is no noticable difference on the LIE other than I ALWAYS see the Deputies banging the HOV violators. It's such a frequent occurance now that people don't slow down when they see the light bar - they're all over. When Suffolk did the LIE seeing someone pulled over caused traffic to crawl, it was that unique an experience.

Believe it or not, it is the CE's JOB to hold the line on taxes and it's not his job to see that every SCPD officer is raking in the dough for doing nothing all day. HE works for the people, the lowly "citizens" not the "special" civil servants.

Actually cops generally die within 7 yrs of retirement, an actual fact though it is becoming better as their wages have increased and their overnights weekends and holidays are lessened ( whats that a teacher says ). As well Bullet proof vests tasers and OC spray have aided them to not get injured as much ( again inhaled chalk dust injuries ). Please DONOT compare Police costd to school cost. Be quiet b/c only new teacher work till 62, those before left in their early 50's with buyouts and 70%. I know I taught and have several family members in the field and retired from it.

The doing nothing quote shows your true hatred. I beleive BOTH jobs are very tough and BOTH jobs are paid great on LI. However you believing COPS do nothing debases your whole post and credibility as anything but a POLICE hater. Yeah, get job at 20 retire at 40 on 50% and live another 40? So the cop who got hired in 1960 and retire in 1980 at 12K is living real large on 500$ a month now. By now I'm sure he's dead or went back to a less physical and less STRESSFUL ( threats, injuries , brain matter, horrible screams of the immediate dying and their loved ones buckled in next to them ) unlike Johhny upset you took his Ipod screams.

Cops work 20+ more days then teachers which includes nights, holidays, weekends and summers so you loose big time there. Yes teachers have degrees, advanced ones they should be proud of, I do as well, but that is offset by BULLET PROOF vest GUNS and constant dangers, real life stress ( not Johnny's IPOD ) and actuall lawsuits and split second decisions of life and death ( insert IPOD Confiscation here ) .

They are both tough and very well rewarded jobs, but please realize there is NO comparison in TAX $$$$'s esp when you include ALL the STATE and FEDERAL and LOTTO monies also spent on schools that is not spent on local Police budgets.

AS well 7% vs 70 % of your local tax bill. Zip it Zippy.

[niceeeee]

well said. u put that ass clown in it's place.

[Unregisteredlast]

Are you really trying to say that teachers live less after retirement then cops?

Wow. I hope your degree didnt come from overseas or a crackerjack box.

Enjoy your nights, weekends, holidays, summers and days off for chalk inhalation injuries. Thank the cops for making up the slack.

Top pay 25 yrs? Sure but automatic steps every year and every 15 credits and every contract raise which, BTW is EVERY year. Many School districts pay thier teachers 100+K after 10 yrs on the Island. Yes less then the beat cop but the cop work nearly 30 days more untill the max out on vacation after 15-20 years.

Again explain the difference in TAXES per household. You are walking down a silly path.

Crime stats? GOTO the FBI website. Be careful, you may want to leave Suffolk for Nassau, they are much safer. IMO I hate to say the worst is on it's way. Suffolk is in for a Gang and Heroin storm. It will have 3x the murders as Nassau and doubles it by a wide margin in every other crime statistic the FBI.GOV records.

[Unregistered707]

"many districts pay teachers 100 grand after 10 years"?????? that's the equivalent of saying all cops do is hang out at the doughnut shop???

my brother is a cop, I know the deal. so back off teachers.

[Lt334]

"many districts pay teachers 100 grand after 10 years"?????? that's the equivalent of saying all cops do is hang out at the doughnut shop???

my brother is a cop, I know the deal. so back off teachers.

Not bad, seeing they only work 180 days per year. That is 6 months, they get paid to do sports and summer school, on top of the other money they make.

[Unregisteredexcept]

"many districts pay teachers 100 grand after 10 years"?????? that's the equivalent of saying all cops do is hang out at the doughnut shop???

my brother is a cop, I know the deal. so back off teachers.

Generally close to that mark if they have an MA+60 and 10 yrs exp. It's prob 85K plus without any other stipends. I didnt attack teachers if you actually read the post. Try reading the entire post next time.

[Unregistered707]

what about night dif.??? ooooo god forbid you should work at night without compensation. how about uniform cleaning pay???? blow for blow come on. I've got the ace in the hole too.

[PDPDPD 4th]

what about night dif.??? ooooo god forbid you should work at night without compensation. how about uniform cleaning pay???? blow for blow come on. I've got the ace in the hole too.

OK, I will bite. Cops work weekends, holidays , OT and mids. I know of no school we can find a teacher at 3:am or July 4th. That is how we make that money. Tell me the last time in SC a teacher was killed in the LOD. OK your turn

[878733]

OK, I will bite. Cops work weekends, holidays , OT and mids. I know of no school we can find a teacher at 3:am or July 4th. That is how we make that money. Tell me the last time in SC a teacher was killed in the LOD. OK your turn


not a good argument. Teachers rock. My theory. You want to be a cop take the test like 30,000 other people. If you want to be a teacher go to school get your masters plus then try finding a job in the most competitive area of the nation. Can't we all just get along. Peace and love. Peace and love.

[ok bennn]

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Contrast that to Suffolk's 2nd Pct. One building. No busses. Maybe a total of 500 cops and we only get 3 police "sectors" worth of service from the 2nd, along with probably 9 other school districts of comparitive size within the 2nd pct. area.

So 24 x 7 x 365 we get 9 cops for 7% of a tax bill. Doesn't make financial sense. Why?

Cops work 20 years, then retire and collect for 40. They only work a few days more than a teacher annually. They reach top pay after only 5 years.

As for crime statistics - they're all skewwed. The economy is in the shitter and everyone knows that increases crime. Fact of life, and doubling the number of police will not stop a break in when someone needs that money to eat.

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You dont get 9 cops. you get the entire dept.
If you child is missing you get every cop available, plus k-9, aviation etc.
If you roll your car you get the patrol, esu, aviation.
If your house is arson, or a victim of a hate crime you get those services.
You get the point?

Crime stats are not skewed...as per the fbi during the last 5 years suffolk is above the norm of the state in crime, specifically the area scpd covers. In fact many areas like nyc and nassau show a lower crime rate whereas suffolks is higher...go look for yourself.
As far as break ins, think about this, criminals are coming in from other areas because they know scpd is short staffed. They get a scanner, or now get one as an app on their cell phone, and listen to when there is a serious call in the pct, and then commit their crime. By the time a car covering another area gets there they have 5-10 minute lead.

[UnregisteredPhd]

Teachers get laid more than we do. Maybe it's with same-sex students, or with underage kids, but if it works they nail it.

[Unregistered33]

Cops work 20 years, then retire and collect for 40. They only work a few days more than a teacher annually. They reach top pay after only 5 years. .

Ehhh no.

Cops on average live less than 10 years after retirement.

The pension comes from the state....not local taxes.

Nice try!

[Unregistered33]

Teachers work 38 years, then retire and die after 16. They take up to 25 years to reach their top wage tier. My district alone has got to have over 400 teachers, about 200 bus routes and 11 buildings to maintain.

You forgot the Superintendent making 400K a year double dipping.

The 150K to 300K a year earned by EACH principal, asst, principal, asst coordinator, asst superintendent and whatever SPECIAL name they can create for a 6 figure overpaid school official.

[Unregistered707]

and who pays state taxes for that pension???

[Unregistered707]

are you kidding me??? teachers get laid more than cops??? don't even go there. you better ask for help on that one.

[Unregistered33]

what about night dif.??? ooooo god forbid you should work at night without compensation. how about uniform cleaning pay???? blow for blow come on. I've got the ace in the hole too.

Teachers work nights?

Teachers work weekends?

Teachers work holidays?

Teachers work summers?

When any of the above becomes true you can have equal pay and extra compensation.

[Unregistered707]

we have to teach the shit you get to beat up. how's that for better pay???

[Unregistered33]

we have to teach the shit you get to beat up. how's that for better pay???


ehh what?

[Unregistered707]

we get them before you do my friend. if I could Taser a kid for not having homework, we would lead the world in education. if you're in the 3rd I'll give you a list right now of future "customers" and they're 12.

[Unregisteredi'llgofurther]

Teachers work nights?

Teachers work weekends?

Teachers work holidays?

Teachers work summers?

When any of the above becomes true you can have equal pay and extra compensation.

Ever been hit by a car while you work?

Ever hold someones face/arm/leg together as they scream in agony?

Ever do CPR on a child?

Ever been in a fight for your life with an ex-con?

[question man 777]

Ever been hit by a car while you work?

Ever hold someones face/arm/leg together as they scream in agony?

Ever do CPR on a child?

Ever been in a fight for your life with an ex-con?

Why are we fighting with these people, I was only thinking we hated the Deps. Or do we hate everyone

[nitestix]

we have to teach the shit you get to beat up. how's that for better pay???

if they were taught better we wouldn't have to beat sense into them...

[Unregistered707]

if they were taught better at home!!! I still have an ACE and I'll bet $1000 when I pull it, it will be gone very quickly.

[Unregisteredlol]

we have to teach the shit you get to beat up. how's that for better pay???


Yeah when their 10. try again.

Again I totally respect teachers. Have many in the family, even did it myself as a younger man. I only responded to drivel from an above poster blasting lazy underworked over paid cops who retire at 40 and live forever in LUXURY.

You are defending him?

[Unregisterednot]

Why are we fighting with these people, I was only thinking we hated the Deps. Or do we hate everyone

responding to the typical TROLL cops sux, over paid under workerd mantra ignoring the facts of their own PROPERTY BILLS.

[Unregistered707]

NO. that retirement shit is BS. as I said my brother is a cop so I know the deal. if you have to go to work with a bullet proof vest on, you have my respect!! with that said you guys should back teachers.

[UnregisteredVinceDwyer]

responding to the typical TROLL cops sux, over paid under workerd mantra ignoring the facts of their own PROPERTY BILLS.

Cops don't pay property taxes in Nassau or Suffolk. It's exempted under the Public Officers Law, Sect HT2-I812. Look it up in the Suffolk Municipal Index, 4000.

[Unregistere]

Cops don't pay property taxes in Nassau or Suffolk. It's exempted under the Public Officers Law, Sect HT2-I812. Look it up in the Suffolk Municipal Index, 4000.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right

[Unregisteredlmao]

Cops don't pay property taxes in Nassau or Suffolk. It's exempted under the Public Officers Law, Sect HT2-I812. Look it up in the Suffolk Municipal Index, 4000.

What? Seriously, put the kool aid down.

[Unregistered12w12]

Lets get the facts first before we obliviate. School taxes are up on average 3.8% not the 5-8. Levy does not negotiate with teachers, thats strictly on the school boards. He has nothing to do with school taxes if he did teachers wouldn't be getting raises.
Crime overall is down under levy's watch, violent crime is up. Hempstead has a rising crime rate and has had one for a long time, even back in the 90's and beyond when cops were tripping over each other. The crime rate is down in Nassau even with less cops under Suozzi. Newark and Philadelphia have no shortage of cops but yet they are still the murder capitals of the country.
Your venomous attacks on levy stem from a labor dispute and the highway transfer, absent those conditions, you wouldn't hear a peep from the pba as long you got your raises and those useless 50 highway cops were still hanging out on the lie.
So lets stop the bs.

How much do you get paid by Stink Levy to past things on here defending him?

[Unregistered12w12]

Sorry.....that should have said "post" things for Stink Levy.

[Unregistered12w12]

....wait a minute...are you doing your own posts, Stink?

[hey teacher]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/li-teacher-suspended-after-dwi-drug-arrest-in-hamptons-1.1804448

[Unregistered707]

really should I dig up all the DWI's you guys get???? we'll start in Nassau. or how about getting off because you're "on the job"???

[please do....]

really should I dig up all the DWI's you guys get???? we'll start in Nassau. or how about getting off because you're "on the job"???

Should we dig up all the li crimes teachers commit? Dwis, sex offenses with kids? drugs, the teacher that raped that poor girl and slit her throat in mt sinai bar?
Please list the dwis for Scpd cops...please

[708]

hopefully 707 is one of many gettin laid off. an early summer vacation while the overpaid supers pick who they'll keep....

[Unregistered/hol9099]

Should we dig up all the li crimes teachers commit? Dwis, sex offenses with kids? drugs, the teacher that raped that poor girl and slit her throat in mt sinai bar?
Please list the dwis for Scpd cops...please

Except for the dwi cop who killed himself on the lie, you won't find any.
Thats because cops won't arrest other cops for dwi if they can shitcan it.
Teachers or the general public is not shown that same "consideration" that is afforded to off duty cops.

[Unregistered337]

really should I dig up all the DWI's you guys get???? we'll start in Nassau. or how about getting off because you're "on the job"???

Actually many people get off....if they arrested everyone for dwi there would be no one on patrol its that easy.

[4545454]

Except for the dwi cop who killed himself on the lie, you won't find any.
Thats because cops won't arrest other cops for dwi if they can shitcan it.
Teachers or the general public is not shown that same "consideration" that is afforded to off duty cops.

Your aluminum foil hat's not working. Or else you're about 20 years behind the times there Skippy.

[Unregistered/u mean]

Except for the dwi cop who killed himself on the lie, you won't find any.
Thats because cops won't arrest other cops for dwi if they can shitcan it.
Teachers or the general public is not shown that same "consideration" that is afforded to off duty cops.

The dwi cop that was announced as a dwi to the public when the state troopers never had to?

[ZippyWontZippit]

Actually cops generally die within 7 yrs of retirement, an actual fact though it is becoming better as their wages have increased and their overnights weekends and holidays are lessened ( whats that a teacher says ). As well Bullet proof vests tasers and OC spray have aided them to not get injured as much ( again inhaled chalk dust injuries ). Please DONOT compare Police costd to school cost. Be quiet b/c only new teacher work till 62, those before left in their early 50's with buyouts and 70%. I know I taught and have several family members in the field and retired from it.

The doing nothing quote shows your true hatred. I beleive BOTH jobs are very tough and BOTH jobs are paid great on LI. However you believing COPS do nothing debases your whole post and credibility as anything but a POLICE hater. Yeah, get job at 20 retire at 40 on 50% and live another 40? So the cop who got hired in 1960 and retire in 1980 at 12K is living real large on 500$ a month now. By now I'm sure he's dead or went back to a less physical and less STRESSFUL ( threats, injuries , brain matter, horrible screams of the immediate dying and their loved ones buckled in next to them ) unlike Johhny upset you took his Ipod screams.

Cops work 20+ more days then teachers which includes nights, holidays, weekends and summers so you loose big time there. Yes teachers have degrees, advanced ones they should be proud of, I do as well, but that is offset by BULLET PROOF vest GUNS and constant dangers, real life stress ( not Johnny's IPOD ) and actuall lawsuits and split second decisions of life and death ( insert IPOD Confiscation here ) .

They are both tough and very well rewarded jobs, but please realize there is NO comparison in TAX $$$$'s esp when you include ALL the STATE and FEDERAL and LOTTO monies also spent on schools that is not spent on local Police budgets.

AS well 7% vs 70 % of your local tax bill. Zip it Zippy.

OK chief let's take this in adfferent direction.

What about top brass? Let's examine a single pct... What do you have in there, 6 shift commanders, station commander, leiutenants, ass't's, pct. commander, asst pct. commanders, captains, seargents, desk sergeant, patrol seargents and patrol supervisers... WTF!!! Are we at war with the public or something? And now with a new pct there's a whole 'nother layer of all those added to the 6 we already had...

This doesn't even take into accouny Headquarters! How many stuffed shirts up there pulling in 200K+ that don't do a goddamned necessary thing? Now add insult to injury - how many cops assigned to D.A.R.E? WTF!!! Kids do drugs, kids will always do drugs, why throw good money and manpower into a losing battle? The premis being preventing drug use will reduce crime therefore reduce the need for more PO's... well have I got a Brentwood, Wyandanch and Wheatley Heights that beg to differ, you can never win the "drug war!" END DARE!

In a small dept. we have a Chief and an ass't chief - that's IT. What's the difference between a townwide Pct. and a small town dept that the proportion of brass-to-cops has to remain the same? Where is the economy of scale we were promised with the formation of the SCPD to consolidate all the small town departments?

[StateOfTheState]

Ehhh no.

Cops on average live less than 10 years after retirement.

The pension comes from the state....not local taxes.

Nice try!


Ehhh, no skippy. Pensions are administered and kept in a Statewide fund. Where does that fund get it's funding? Local police taxes. Every hour you work requires the County to contribute on your behalf. What that actual dollar amount is depends on factors like the pension funds defined benefit, projected liabilities, and the fund's performance.

[check your calender]

OK chief let's take this in adfferent direction.

What about top brass? Let's examine a single pct... What do you have in there, 6 shift commanders, station commander, leiutenants, ass't's, pct. commander, asst pct. commanders, captains, seargents, desk sergeant, patrol seargents and patrol supervisers... WTF!!! Are we at war with the public or something? And now with a new pct there's a whole 'nother layer of all those added to the 6 we already had...

This doesn't even take into accouny Headquarters! How many stuffed shirts up there pulling in 200K+ that don't do a goddamned necessary thing? Now add insult to injury - how many cops assigned to D.A.R.E? WTF!!! Kids do drugs, kids will always do drugs, why throw good money and manpower into a losing battle? The premis being preventing drug use will reduce crime therefore reduce the need for more PO's... well have I got a Brentwood, Wyandanch and Wheatley Heights that beg to differ, you can never win the "drug war!" END DARE!

In a small dept. we have a Chief and an ass't chief - that's IT. What's the difference between a townwide Pct. and a small town dept that the proportion of brass-to-cops has to remain the same? Where is the economy of scale we were promised with the formation of the SCPD to consolidate all the small town departments?

DARE was disbanded about 3 years ago.

You can go crawl back under your rock troll.

[UnregisteredDARE]

DARE was disbanded about 3 years ago.

You can go crawl back under your rock troll.

The disbanding of DARE 4 years ago my Steve and the Nutty Irishman is probably one of the BIG reasons for the Heroin epidemic i the Smithtown area. These kids never went through the program, which was PROVEN to work. These Chickens have come home to Roost! Now in a few years those same Chicken will be Roosting in the areas where COPE, GANG and other Special Units were deployed but deemed un-necessary by Stevie and Dickie!

[Unregisteredtomanyboss's]

OK chief let's take this in adfferent direction.

What about top brass? Let's examine a single pct... What do you have in there, 6 shift commanders, station commander, leiutenants, ass't's, pct. commander, asst pct. commanders, captains, seargents, desk sergeant, patrol seargents and patrol supervisers... WTF!!! Are we at war with the public or something? And now with a new pct there's a whole 'nother layer of all those added to the 6 we already had...

This doesn't even take into accouny Headquarters! How many stuffed shirts up there pulling in 200K+ that don't do a goddamned necessary thing? Now add insult to injury - how many cops assigned to D.A.R.E? WTF!!! Kids do drugs, kids will always do drugs, why throw good money and manpower into a losing battle? The premis being preventing drug use will reduce crime therefore reduce the need for more PO's... well have I got a Brentwood, Wyandanch and Wheatley Heights that beg to differ, you can never win the "drug war!" END DARE!

In a small dept. we have a Chief and an ass't chief - that's IT. What's the difference between a townwide Pct. and a small town dept that the proportion of brass-to-cops has to remain the same? Where is the economy of scale we were promised with the formation of the SCPD to consolidate all the small town departments?

But do the cops decide that? Just like to many admin spots in schools. Your point?

Dare = Gone. Replaced by hired Health teachers. Your point?

I bet these programs will be coming back as this HUGE uptick in crime and DRUG use is destroying Suffolk. The only County in NY with these huge spikes in violent crime.

[UnregisteredFullExtentLaw]

In the last 42 months 207 police officers have been arrested for DWI in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

[Unregisteredcobcob]

But do the cops decide that? Just like to many admin spots in schools. Your point?

Dare = Gone. Replaced by hired Health teachers. Your point?

I bet these programs will be coming back as this HUGE uptick in crime and DRUG use is destroying Suffolk. The only County in NY with these huge spikes in violent crime.

And the dare officers went into the C.O.B. try to figure out what they are doing

[Unregistered33]

Ehhh, no skippy. Pensions are administered and kept in a Statewide fund. Where does that fund get it's funding? Local police taxes. Every hour you work requires the County to contribute on your behalf. What that actual dollar amount is depends on factors like the pension funds defined benefit, projected liabilities, and the fund's performance.

Jealous much? ...that $2-3 a day police tax is really killing your bottom line. I'm sure you own a home and pay taxes....NOT!

[Unregistered101]

In the last 42 months 207 police officers have been arrested for DWI in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

where did you get this from?

[Just Another Troll]

In the last 42 months 207 police officers have been arrested for DWI in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

Nice try chief!!!! NY Daily News did a extensive article about NYC police officers that have been arrested for DWI. 55 total starting in 1999. 55 in 10 yrs for a department of 30,000 cops. You have 207 arrested in 3.5 years!!! I trust the Daily News more then you!!! You don't have anything to back your statement up. Just another troll trying to stir shit. up....http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/08/2010-03-08_cops_drive_drunk_but_keep_on_rolling_daily_news _finds_even_after_fatal_crashes_t.html

[Unregistered4141]

In the last 42 months 207 police officers have been arrested for DWI in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

If it's on the report it must be true, right? I think he got his numbers from the "troll fantasy news". As a matter of fact, there were 687 plumbers, 724 electricians, 826 teachers, and 902 heavy equipment operators arrested for DWI in Nassau and Suffolk Counties. The "troll fantasy news' further reports that there was not one troll arrested for anything in the last 42 months!

[Unregistered/909233]

Your aluminum foil hat's not working. Or else you're about 20 years behind the times there Skippy.

You actually have the balls to sit behind the keyboard and tell this audience that it does not happen now as compared to 20 years ago. Take your sanctimonius hat off and stop throwing the bs. I know there is no way that any of you dirtbags would publicy state the obvious, but many of you on this thread have boasted that off duty cops do not get tickets for various traffic violations, using the discretionary argument provided to you in the CPL, but you already have admitted that it happened 20 years ago, so why wouldn't it happen now.

[45454]

sanctimonius

I like that. Who'd have thought the SR would actually add to anyone's lexicon. Thanks.

[UnregisteredRueters]

In 2007, 409 fat-female teachers slept with their students. This represents a staggering 22.2% increase from the year before.

Stay tuned for more information.

[Unregistered/mojo.]

In 2007, 409 fat-female teachers slept with their students. This represents a staggering 22.2% increase from the year before.

Stay tuned for more information.

If it wasn't for those teachers you talk about, you would not have passed that pd test and get your ged diploma, enabling you to rip off the taxpayer to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars you receive in compensation for doing nothing.

[6432]

If it wasn't for those teachers you talk about, you would not have passed that pd test and get your ged diploma, enabling you to rip off the taxpayer to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars you receive in compensation for doing nothing.

Actually the credit would have to go to the professors who helped me get my Masters. But hey, it's all the same to you and your agenda, right?

[Unregistered/pklw]

I like that. Who'd have thought the SR would actually add to anyone's lexicon. Thanks.

Your lack of response to a well known fact of life on LI, speaks volumes to your argument that it doesn't happen anymore.

[Unregistered/deanofbs]

Actually the credit would have to go to the professors who helped me get my Masters. But hey, it's all the same to you and your agenda, right?

Oh yeah, I got three phd's.
BTW, you wouldn't have been able to get that bogus Masters, unless you at least got your ged diploma, which was in part, due to teachers.

[Brainiacs]

Oh yeah, I got three phd's.
BTW, you wouldn't have been able to get that bogus Masters, unless you at least got your ged diploma, which was in part, due to teachers.

Actually, the human race got along just fine for centuries without "teachers." Knowledge need not be purposefully imparted to get around. It occurs by osmosis.

Our schools have gone downhill, and do not teach critical thinking, they teach facts, memorization, and test-taking skills.

As it is now, the last 5 years of college graduates haven't found jobs iin their fields of study, and America is losiing thousands of positions every week. DO we really need public schools to be churning out thousands of brainiacs every year anymore?

[Unregistered.]

that sounds good...outside the box.

[Unregist]

Why are we fighting with these people, I was only thinking we hated the Deps. Or do we hate everyone

"WE"....what's the matter moron you can't think for yourself? You fu@kin follower!! Make your own decisions based on your experiences...not because you want to fit in with the kool-aid boys!

[UnregisteredCraig]

The deps have been great to us off the E-way. They provide us 100% whenever we need them.

[Unregistered/oplu]

Actually, the human race got along just fine for centuries without "teachers." Knowledge need not be purposefully imparted to get around. It occurs by osmosis.

Our schools have gone downhill, and do not teach critical thinking, they teach facts, memorization, and test-taking skills.

As it is now, the last 5 years of college graduates haven't found jobs iin their fields of study, and America is losiing thousands of positions every week. DO we really need public schools to be churning out thousands of brainiacs every year anymore?

Hmm,, Socrates, Plato, were around 2000 years ago, were there any cops then.
Look at the entire picture. More Westinghouse science awards given to LI students than in any other part of the country. Teachers are not responsible for the social conditons that are country faces especially in the big cities. Blame the parents, there to blame.
The scpd is only 50 years old, that means we went without you and your do nothings for several millenia. Oh please bring back the old days when there wasn't even a scpd. We lived a better life.

[YEAH RIGHT..]

Hmm,, Socrates, Plato, were around 2000 years ago, were there any cops then.
Look at the entire picture. More Westinghouse science awards given to LI students than in any other part of the country. Teachers are not responsible for the social conditons that are country faces especially in the big cities. Blame the parents, there to blame.
The scpd is only 50 years old, that means we went without you and your do nothings for several millenia. Oh please bring back the old days when there wasn't even a scpd. We lived a better life.

Lets see what happens when you need a Cop, you might after you find a guy in bed with your wife, cause you sound like a real jerk, she must love thinking of a cop when your banging her.

wanna go back to the dark ages, before SCPD, when there were farms out in suffolk, no roads, cars, trains and there were hangings. Think again the liberal assholes like you changed the world, thats why we have a Terrorist that killed 3000 people on trial like hes an American,

[unteachable]

Hmm,, Socrates, Plato, were around 2000 years ago, were there any cops then.
Look at the entire picture. More Westinghouse science awards given to LI students than in any other part of the country. Teachers are not responsible for the social conditons that are country faces especially in the big cities. Blame the parents, there to blame.
The scpd is only 50 years old, that means we went without you and your do nothings for several millenia. Oh please bring back the old days when there wasn't even a scpd. We lived a better life.

I guess your parents didn't teach you the difference between "there" and "their".

[Unregistered/Yomama]

Lets see what happens when you need a Cop, you might after you find a guy in bed with your wife, cause you sound like a real jerk, she must love thinking of a cop when your banging her.

wanna go back to the dark ages, before SCPD, when there were farms out in suffolk, no roads, cars, trains and there were hangings. Think again the liberal assholes like you changed the world, thats why we have a Terrorist that killed 3000 people on trial like hes an American,

I also need a plumber when my pipes break, a cashier when I buy something, a garbage man when I throw out my trash. Whats your point asshole.
Terrorists have nothig to do with the scpd and life was better before the scpd ever came into existence. Even in colonial times, we used a pillory or a scarlet letter on ones forehead. We survived and didn't have to worry about ever increasing violence that our overpaid and underworked pd can not even control or even provide safety for our citizens.
BTW, your lack of education shows when you have to use personal slurs to support your shallow argument.

[Unregistered9121]

I also need a plumber when my pipes break, a cashier when I buy something, a garbage man when I throw out my trash. Whats your point asshole.
Terrorists have nothig to do with the scpd and life was better before the scpd ever came into existence. Even in colonial times, we used a pillory or a scarlet letter on ones forehead. We survived and didn't have to worry about ever increasing violence that our overpaid and underworked pd can not even control or even provide safety for our citizens.
BTW, your lack of education shows when you have to use personal slurs to support your shallow argument.

Basically, if you read through all his mumbo-jumbo, I think he's trying to tell you that you are an asshole yourself, a point agreed upon by many! BTW, no personal slurs intended!

[Unregistered/009932]

Basically, if you read through all his mumbo-jumbo, I think he's trying to tell you that you are an asshole yourself, a point agreed upon by many! BTW, no personal slurs intended!

Who are the many? Another exaggeration by a do nothing cop who couldn't argue his point.

[Unregistered8171]

Who are the many? Another exaggeration by a do nothing cop who couldn't argue his point.

The "many" are all the "overworked and underpaid cop" you refer to! And I like the point you make about colonial times. Did they have crack, heroin, and gangs on the Mayflower? Was Columbus a Blood or a Crip? Point is, you shouldn't call others an asshole when you are in fact one yourself!

[Unregistered/90324]

The "many" are all the "overworked and underpaid cop" you refer to! And I like the point you make about colonial times. Did they have crack, heroin, and gangs on the Mayflower? Was Columbus a Blood or a Crip? Point is, you shouldn't call others an asshole when you are in fact one yourself!

The "many" are not posting here. Its you, one person, not many as you claim.No they didn't have crack, heroin or gangs(although they had hostile indians who wanted to kill them) and they protected themselves without having an overpaid and underworked pd to protect them. Today we have those things and we do have an overpaid and underworked pd who can't or won't do anything to protect us from them except gouge from the public trough. I'm only calling you an asshole because all your posts are asinine.

[ha ha 4444]

The "many" are not posting here. Its you, one person, not many as you claim.No they didn't have crack, heroin or gangs(although they had hostile indians who wanted to kill them) and they protected themselves without having an overpaid and underworked pd to protect them. Today we have those things and we do have an overpaid and underworked pd who can't or won't do anything to protect us from them except gouge from the public trough. I'm only calling you an asshole because all your posts are asinine.

Lets go back to gun country and let everyone shoot each other.

Oh wait thats whats happening.

[Unregistered4444]

I also need a plumber when my pipes break, a cashier when I buy something, a garbage man when I throw out my trash. Whats your point asshole.
Terrorists have nothig to do with the scpd and life was better before the scpd ever came into existence. Even in colonial times, we used a pillory or a scarlet letter on ones forehead. We survived and didn't have to worry about ever increasing violence that our overpaid and underworked pd can not even control or even provide safety for our citizens.
BTW, your lack of education shows when you have to use personal slurs to support your shallow argument.

lets get the branding iron out, we can start with that scarlet letter.
Whos first? Lets brand you with an "A" for asshole you can be #1 because your the biggest.

[Unregistered8117]

The "many" are not posting here. Its you, one person, not many as you claim.No they didn't have crack, heroin or gangs(although they had hostile indians who wanted to kill them) and they protected themselves without having an overpaid and underworked pd to protect them. Today we have those things and we do have an overpaid and underworked pd who can't or won't do anything to protect us from them except gouge from the public trough. I'm only calling you an asshole because all your posts are asinine.

Here we go again, back to colonial times, this time with indians! Times do change and that's why everyone in the modern world has a police department. Please tell me what country or town in the civilized world doesn't? You just happen to think that SCPD is "overpaid and underworked" and are obviously a cop hating troll! I'm only calling YOU an asshole because YOUR posts about colonial times are asinine!

[Unregistered6575665]

The "many" are not posting here. Its you, one person, not many as you claim.No they didn't have crack, heroin or gangs(although they had hostile indians who wanted to kill them) and they protected themselves without having an overpaid and underworked pd to protect them. Today we have those things and we do have an overpaid and underworked pd who can't or won't do anything to protect us from them except gouge from the public trough. I'm only calling you an asshole because all your posts are asinine.

wow Indians thats your argument Indians

The point is you cant make it as a COP and your underpaid.

Dont be mad, its not your fault, oh wait it is your fault, your an asshole.

[Unregisteredtttt]

Lets go back to gun country and let everyone shoot each other.

Oh wait thats whats happening.

lol!!!!!!!!!

[/colonial\times/l\]

I also need a plumber when my pipes break, a cashier when I buy something, a garbage man when I throw out my trash. Whats your point asshole.
Terrorists have nothig to do with the scpd and life was better before the scpd ever came into existence. Even in colonial times, we used a pillory or a scarlet letter on ones forehead. We survived and didn't have to worry about ever increasing violence that our overpaid and underworked pd can not even control or even provide safety for our citizens.
BTW, your lack of education shows when you have to use personal slurs to support your shallow argument.

It makes perfect sense to compare 2010 to the "colonial times".
Hmm, you could beat your wife, your kids, rape them, do whatever you want to your slaves, and if someone was caught stealing your corn you could shoot them in the head. Hell if there were police, they probably didnt even have to do a report, lets alone the 4 part domestic incident report, criminal incident report, victim of violence impact form, ohh and possibly notify bias crimes.....fn idiot
We survived and didnt have to worry about increasing violence????
You know this how? Whom did you interview from colonial times?
Terrorist have nothing to do with scpd? So we can stop patroling areas deemed possible targets, on your word? You overrule homeland security?
Whats funny, until Levy and dormer came along, no one was getting shot on a daily basis...are you sure its not the county exec incompetence, and the bungling of the commissioner as they try to use as little tax money on something as silly as crime?

[yes indeed]

It makes perfect sense to compare 2010 to the "colonial times".
Hmm, you could beat your wife, your kids, rape them, do whatever you want to your slaves, and if someone was caught stealing your corn you could shoot them in the head. Hell if there were police, they probably didnt even have to do a report, lets alone the 4 part domestic incident report, criminal incident report, victim of violence impact form, ohh and possibly notify bias crimes.....fn idiot
We survived and didnt have to worry about increasing violence????
You know this how? Whom did you interview from colonial times?
Terrorist have nothing to do with scpd? So we can stop patroling areas deemed possible targets, on your word? You overrule homeland security?
Whats funny, until Levy and dormer came along, no one was getting shot on a daily basis...are you sure its not the county exec incompetence, and the bungling of the commissioner as they try to use as little tax money on something as silly as crime?

AMEN

[Unregistered/stopstop]

It makes perfect sense to compare 2010 to the "colonial times".
Hmm, you could beat your wife, your kids, rape them, do whatever you want to your slaves, and if someone was caught stealing your corn you could shoot them in the head. Hell if there were police, they probably didnt even have to do a report, lets alone the 4 part domestic incident report, criminal incident report, victim of violence impact form, ohh and possibly notify bias crimes.....fn idiot
We survived and didnt have to worry about increasing violence????
You know this how? Whom did you interview from colonial times?
Terrorist have nothing to do with scpd? So we can stop patroling areas deemed possible targets, on your word? You overrule homeland security?
Whats funny, until Levy and dormer came along, no one was getting shot on a daily basis...are you sure its not the county exec incompetence, and the bungling of the commissioner as they try to use as little tax money on something as silly as crime?

OBL is not concerned with the soft targets in Suffolk, you can bet the house on that. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
there are about 3 homicides a year more than there were pre Levy days. So get off your pba soap box, the contract is official and you have successfulll ripped off the taxpayer again.

[Unregistered8171]

OBL is not concerned with the soft targets in Suffolk, you can bet the house on that. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
there are about 3 homicides a year more than there were pre Levy days. So get off your pba soap box, the contract is official and you have successfulll ripped off the taxpayer again.

So you seem to have all the numbers, referring to your homicide number pre-levy days. How about the numbers of shootings. The First Precinct alone has had four separate shootings since Friday. But, I guess those don't count because they're not homicides. Hey, maybe it's just a "blip" as the PC called it over in Brentwood. 90% of the shootings don't even make snewsday, but dont worry; "It's under control", not quite a "hot spot" yet! Glad you think things are okay!

[but/colonial days/]

OBL is not concerned with the soft targets in Suffolk, you can bet the house on that. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
there are about 3 homicides a year more than there were pre Levy days. So get off your pba soap box, the contract is official and you have successfulll ripped off the taxpayer again.

BNL is a soft target?
Shoreham is a soft target?
The lipa powerplants are soft targets?
And you contacted Homeland security and they told you this?
Get off your hobby horse kid you dont know what he fuck you are talking about.
Homicides are the only violent crimes? Thats funny the fbi has the western part of suffolk, under levy and dormer with 10% rise in violent crime since pre levy days.
The difference in "colonial days" when you got shot they poured dirt on your wound or poked around until you bled out. Now you can be dead and they can bring you back

[sup buttercup]

OBL is not concerned with the soft targets in Suffolk, you can bet the house on that. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
there are about 3 homicides a year more than there were pre Levy days. So get off your pba soap box, the contract is official and you have successfulll ripped off the taxpayer again.

You dont address the glaring disparity in the colonial era vs this era as far as what people did or didnt do.
Additionally no one asked your laypersons opinion of what a soft or hard terrorist target is. Was the school in Beslan even rated a soft target?
Murder is up, in Suffolk, that 3 homicides represents a 10% increase.
Consider that the majority occur within the western towns that levy is primarily responsible. Consider that violent crimes are up in the same area, and yet Suffolks neighbors Nassau, East end, and even NYC have seen a drop in these crimes.

[tim mcveigh....]

OBL is not concerned with the soft targets in Suffolk, you can bet the house on that. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
.

And no one else has any reason to attack then "obl"?

[dumbazzzz]

. And whats the big thing about "patrolling" as if you become overworked by riding around a specific area. Gives us a break.
.

Give you a break? Did anyone actually say it was a big deal?
The point you moron, is that during "colonial days" there were no bombs, no nuclear devices, no terrorist attacks.
Hell there wasnt even drunk drivers...

[Unregistered/89523]

BNL is a soft target?
Shoreham is a soft target?
The lipa powerplants are soft targets?
And you contacted Homeland security and they told you this?
Get off your hobby horse kid you dont know what he fuck you are talking about.
Homicides are the only violent crimes? Thats funny the fbi has the western part of suffolk, under levy and dormer with 10% rise in violent crime since pre levy days.
The difference in "colonial days" when you got shot they poured dirt on your wound or poked around until you bled out. Now you can be dead and they can bring you back

BNL has its own security, there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned. Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. On a scale of 1-10 on potential targets in this country from terrorists you rank -0. So get off your high horse that this is a major concern for the patrol force. if you were so concerned with security you wouldn't be spending so much time in the firehouses and more on patrol. Every one of you think the sky is falling in Suffolk county. 3 more homicides more than pre Levy days and you are trying to nail this guy to wall. Its all because of your contract and the fact he took hway away from you.
Yeah gang violence is way up.; do away with the gangs especially the illegals and you can go right back to the good old days when you did shit for 8 hours a day.
And if you look at the prior posts, it was one of you assholes who brought up way way back in history where there were no pds and teachers. I simply responded to that asinine's post.

[simple/opinion]

BNL has its own security, there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned. Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. On a scale of 1-10 on potential targets in this country from terrorists you rank -0. So get off your high horse that this is a major concern for the patrol force. if you were so concerned with security you wouldn't be spending so much time in the firehouses and more on patrol. Every one of you think the sky is falling in Suffolk county. 3 more homicides more than pre Levy days and you are trying to nail this guy to wall. Its all because of your contract and the fact he took hway away from you.
Yeah gang violence is way up.; do away with the gangs especially the illegals and you can go right back to the good old days when you did shit for 8 hours a day.
And if you look at the prior posts, it was one of you assholes who brought up way way back in history where there were no pds and teachers. I simply responded to that asinine's post.
Sorry, cant argue opinion. Thats all your post is

[no..]

BNL has its own security, there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned. Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. On a scale of 1-10 on potential targets in this country from terrorists you rank -0.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/07/24/2009-07-24_terrorists_plea_reveals_lirr_plot.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/opinion/nyregionopinions/11LIgrossman.html

http://schumer.senate.gov/new_website/record.cfm?id=265532


http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/terrorist_targets.html
according to last, gas stations would be a terrorist target, and for those who are educated in terrorism thats 100% true.

[ignoranceisgreat]

Originally Posted by Unregistered/89523
BNL has its own security, there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned. Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. On a scale of 1-10 on potential targets in this country from terrorists you rank -0.


Good point, unfortunately the government disagrees and has and continues to give grant money to the county due to a certain risk factor. But I can't blame you for your opinion. Ignorance is a nice thing if it keeps you feeling secure and safe. My opinion is you should stick to topics you know a little something about.

[a shooting a day]

rea. Gives us a break.
there are about 3 homicides a year more than there were pre Levy days. So get off your pba soap box, the contract is official and you have successfulll ripped off the taxpayer again.

Give us a break? Who do you speak for Unregistered/stopstop?
3 more homicides, thats a 10% increase in homicides!!!!!!! How much more violent crime, the difference between a homicide and an assault 1 is usually how many minutes before the victim receives any medical attention. There should be less, there is less on the east end, nassau and nyc.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/cops-huntington-station-man-shot-while-walking-on-street-1.1817469

[Unregisteredqq]

BNL has its own security, . Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. .
I dont recall the post that claimed scpd was overworked with security issues.
Bnl has security, yes. unarmed civilians, no aviation patrol, no k-9.

[Unregisteredfarce]

there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned..
There are power plants all over the country and they are all targets.
While the nuclear ops were ended the electric transmission infrastructure has remained, connecting it to the electric grid, and Conn.
You obviously dont understand Terrorism. The idea is to generate the most press, fear, panic and confusion. It does not have to be the Pentagon. A suicide bomber exploding in a gas station, Hospital, or school, in a area with a high concentration of people is far easier to pull off.
They do it all the time in the Mid East.

[Unregistered/78763]

Originally Posted by Unregistered/89523
BNL has its own security, there are power plants all over the country, Shoreham is decommissioned. Stop the bs that you are overworked with the security issues. On a scale of 1-10 on potential targets in this country from terrorists you rank -0.


Good point, unfortunately the government disagrees and has and continues to give grant money to the county due to a certain risk factor. But I can't blame you for your opinion. Ignorance is a nice thing if it keeps you feeling secure and safe. My opinion is you should stick to topics you know a little something about.

"risk factor" most certain. There is a risk factor in Bumfuck, Idaho, Pubic Hairs, Mississippi, but certainly a low one. just as in suffolk county, but you blowharts like to magnify everything up to where the sky is falling to make yourselves look more important than you really are.
You can't even deal with the rising gang violence; the FBI has to come in and help you out.

[opinion of bozo vs hls]

"risk factor" most certain. There is a risk factor in Bumfuck, Idaho, Pubic Hairs, Mississippi, but certainly a low one. just as in suffolk county, but you blowharts like to magnify everything up to where the sky is falling to make yourselves look more important than you really are.
You can't even deal with the rising gang violence; the FBI has to come in and help you out.

But long island with its proximity to nyc, its population and its wealth is NOT bumfuck. Remember terrorist want the most bang for its buck. Killing off a few "hicks" living in a small town is not the same as killing off the potential victims that live or summer on L.I.
And sorry, its not me thats the blowharts. Go talk to homeland security bozo.


You are right we cannot deal with the gang violence, the drugs, the regular non gang violence, the drunks, domestics violence...we cannot even deal with the 911 calls incoming....been that way since Levy took over.

That has little to do with the police, but rather the horrible county govt and their policies

[09876543]

"risk factor" most certain. There is a risk factor in Bumfuck, Idaho, Pubic Hairs, Mississippi, but certainly a low one. just as in suffolk county, but you blowharts like to magnify everything up to where the sky is falling to make yourselves look more important than you really are.
You can't even deal with the rising gang violence; the FBI has to come in and help you out.

You have no idea of what you are talking about. Do you really believe the FBI is coming to "patrol" the streets.
You are not aware of any info from JTF. You do not know of the threats or targets so go ahead and live out your ignorant life. Also, you will find out some day, when you are an adult, that you do not look so dumb when you learn to keep your mouth shut or at least post garbage on a site that is for entertainment at best.

[wah/wah]

You have no idea of what you are talking about. Do you really believe the FBI is coming to "patrol" the streets.
You are not aware of any info from JTF. You do not know of the threats or targets so go ahead and live out your ignorant life. Also, you will find out some day, when you are an adult, that you do not look so dumb when you learn to keep your mouth shut or at least post garbage on a site that is for entertainment at best.

this is that trolls venue for releasing his frustrations. go back and read all his posts, its so obvious, opinion wrapped around insecurity

[Unregi/s\t/e\r/e\d]

"risk factor" most certain. There is a risk factor in Bumfuck, Idaho, Pubic Hairs, Mississippi, but certainly a low one. just as in suffolk county, but you blowharts like to magnify everything up to where the sky is falling to make yourselves look more important than you really are.
You can't even deal with the rising gang violence; the FBI has to come in and help you out.

So despite areas being listed as targets, and despite the Homeland security funding the patrol of these areas, we should just ignore them, because a bozo who is jealous of sc cops says so?

[Untruegistered]

So despite areas being listed as targets, and despite the Homeland security funding the patrol of these areas, we should just ignore them, because a bozo who is jealous of sc cops says so?

Yup, this clown is always right. Just ask him.

In reply to your post, I fully expect a 4 paragraph dissertation on what he said and why he said it with his usual childish digs about our salary and workload, plus references to what his post actually said...as if it matters.
What he forgets, if he wasnt so eager to throw his opinions around, no one would reply, frankly no one replying to him might be what he needs

[not true.......]

[QUOTE=Unregistered/78763;359937You can't even deal with the rising gang violence; the FBI has to come in and help you out.[/QUOTE]

Rise in gang violence or lack of addressing the gangs by pulling gang units from areas with gangs to concentrate on giving a false police prescence in high profile areas?
Pulling gang cops to work patrol or the desk to save overtime?
Pulling gang cops for bs heroin task force, or whatever comes along?
Gangs have been in suffolk forever, The Artist Lake crips have been around since 1960s. The mexican gangs have been here since the 1980s. There are less illegals today then 10 years ago( due to the recession and less work)
Yet violent crime is up.
The buck stops squarely on the desk of the commissioner, and the man who hired him.

[Unregistered/9330023]

So despite areas being listed as targets, and despite the Homeland security funding the patrol of these areas, we should just ignore them, because a bozo who is jealous of sc cops says so?

Nobody said to ignore them; those are your words. Just stop magnifying the security threat to Suffolk to make yourselves look important.
There are less illegals today then 10 years ago. And you know this how...
And to the idiot cop who said I said the fbi is coming to "patrol the streets" read again asshole, another distortion by the ged wonders. Next you will say they are going in uniform in marked cruisers. Typical dumbo cop, refusing to acknowledge they can't control the situation that a senator from NY had to ask the fbi for their assistance which has had a gang unit for many years.
And if my opinions don't matter , I 'm certainly getting a lot of response, albeit excuses, from a bunch on nincompoops who geatly exxagerate their importance.
BTW, the contract is over, you won, you can go back to the firehouses and do what you;re best at doing, which is bloviating.

[Unregistered/moron]

Nobody said to ignore them; those are your words. Just stop magnifying the security threat to Suffolk to make yourselves look important.
There are less illegals today then 10 years ago. And you know this how...
And to the idiot cop who said I said the fbi is coming to "patrol the streets" read again asshole, another distortion by the ged wonders. Next you will say they are going in uniform in marked cruisers. Typical dumbo cop, refusing to acknowledge they can't control the situation that a senator from NY had to ask the fbi for their assistance which has had a gang unit for many years.
And if my opinions don't matter , I 'm certainly getting a lot of response, albeit excuses, from a bunch on nincompoops who geatly exxagerate their importance.
BTW, the contract is over, you won, you can go back to the firehouses and do what you;re best at doing, which is bloviating.
nobody is magnifying or exxagerating anything, just following homeland directives.....sorry they override your jerky envy opinion.
There are less illegals because the construction market has dried up, because less folks are getting landscaping, pools etc. There are less illegals because I work in a area that was predominately illegal, and is now reverted back to the white trash heroin junkies, and their high crime.
Im guessing the person who said the fbi was patrolling did so, because it was funny, not everyone is so devout and solemn posting here like you, with your obvious agenda.
You certainly are getting a lot of responses, but not excuses, mostly they tell you you dont know shit, you are a jealous loser, you are posting your opinion and think its important, and in general just a smug little no one who spends far too much time trying to get even for his lot in life and has a lot to say, albeit of little substance

[artistic license]

Nobody said to ignore them; those are your words. Just stop magnifying the security threat to Suffolk to make yourselves look important.
There are less illegals today then 10 years ago. And you know this how...
And to the idiot cop who said I said the fbi is coming to "patrol the streets" read again asshole, another distortion by the ged wonders. Next you will say they are going in uniform in marked cruisers. Typical dumbo cop, refusing to acknowledge they can't control the situation that a senator from NY had to ask the fbi for their assistance which has had a gang unit for many years.
And if my opinions don't matter , I 'm certainly getting a lot of response, albeit excuses, from a bunch on nincompoops who geatly exxagerate their importance.
BTW, the contract is over, you won, you can go back to the firehouses and do what you;re best at doing, which is bloviating.

No one "magnified" anything just mentioned the many areas that are considered potential terrorst targets that did not exist in the colonial times.....if anything you are the one minimizing ...Bnl most assuredly is a target.
you defend your opinions by claiming all the posts laughing at you, and telling you that you are jealous, or posting simple opinion are proof of their value?????

[Unregistered/census10]

nobody is magnifying or exxagerating anything, just following homeland directives.....sorry they override your jerky envy opinion.
There are less illegals because the construction market has dried up, because less folks are getting landscaping, pools etc. There are less illegals because I work in a area that was predominately illegal, and is now reverted back to the white trash heroin junkies, and their high crime.
Im guessing the person who said the fbi was patrolling did so, because it was funny, not everyone is so devout and solemn posting here like you, with your obvious agenda.
You certainly are getting a lot of responses, but not excuses, mostly they tell you you dont know shit, you are a jealous loser, you are posting your opinion and think its important, and in general just a smug little no one who spends far too much time trying to get even for his lot in life and has a lot to say, albeit of little substance

Just because the construction jobs are drying up, doesn't mean they are leaving. The most you offer is anedotal evidence based upon driving buy. The 2010 census will show differently.
My obvious agenda is simply to paint you "heroes" as you truly are. A blood sucking police union who is gouging at the public trough and villifying a county executive who is more concerned with the plight of the hardworking taxpayer rather than a greedy union.

[/backsplashloser\]

Just because the construction jobs are drying up, doesn't mean they are leaving. The most you offer is anedotal evidence based upon driving buy. The 2010 census will show differently.
My obvious agenda is simply to paint you "heroes" as you truly are. A blood sucking police union who is gouging at the public trough and villifying a county executive who is more concerned with the plight of the hardworking taxpayer rather than a greedy union.

yeah moron, we have illegals who dont call after some white kid cracks them over the head with a beer bottle because they are scared of any govt interaction...but the are going to fill out the census.
Your agenda is obvious, you are jealous and want to paint us as you wish.
Thats why you lie through your teeth so much, and are generally dismissed as a jealous troll.

[jovetter61049]

Just because the construction jobs are drying up, doesn't mean they are leaving. The most you offer is anedotal evidence based upon driving buy. The 2010 census will show differently.
My obvious agenda is simply to paint you "heroes" as you truly are. A blood sucking police union who is gouging at the public trough and villifying a county executive who is more concerned with the plight of the hardworking taxpayer rather than a greedy union.

Did you read the post? He didnt say construction jobs, landscaping etc.
andectotal evidence is far better then your biased opinion, which is all you've ever posted

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My obvious agenda is simply to paint you "heroes" as you truly are. A blood sucking police union who is gouging at the public trough and villifying a county executive who is more concerned with the plight of the hardworking taxpayer rather than a greedy union.

your agenda is obvious as is your underlying motives....jealousy. Why else would you be here day in and out for the years you have?
No one spends as much futile time as you attempting to bad mouth scpd and when your "paint" runs dry you fall back on your usual rhetoric overpaid, underworked etc.

[Unregistered/census10.]

your agenda is obvious as is your underlying motives....jealousy. Why else would you be here day in and out for the years you have?
No one spends as much futile time as you attempting to bad mouth scpd and when your "paint" runs dry you fall back on your usual rhetoric overpaid, underworked etc.

For every one of my posts, and there have not been that many, there have always been at least 4 or more from you assholes who have spent just as much time on here as i have. Another indicator to prove what Levy has said about cops having to much time off. The usual rhetoric that you talk about has come from both c.e.'s, certain members of both county legislatures and the majority of taxpayers. Know the difference from "badmouthing" and the truth.

[exactly/]

For every one of my posts, and there have not been that many, there have always been at least 4 or more from you assholes who have spent just as much time on here as i have. Another indicator to prove what Levy has said about cops having to much time off. The usual rhetoric that you talk about has come from both c.e.'s, certain members of both county legislatures and the majority of taxpayers. Know the difference from "badmouthing" and the truth.

But the difference is this is a POLICE message board, we belong here, and welcome contrstructive debate...not trolls who are jealous and intent on proving we arent "heroes".
Thank you...we are done....

[Unregisteredblammo]

For every one of my posts, and there have not been that many, there have always been at least 4 or more from you assholes who have spent just as much time on here as i have. Another indicator to prove what Levy has said about cops having to much time off. The usual rhetoric that you talk about has come from both c.e.'s, certain members of both county legislatures and the majority of taxpayers. Know the difference from "badmouthing" and the truth.

But you come here with no other purpose but to get your shots in. Most posters who reply have no idea who they are trying to interact with, except those of us who ve been around long enough to spot you a mile away.

[Unregistered noo job!!]

For every one of my posts, and there have not been that many, there have always been at least 4 or more from you assholes who have spent just as much time on here as i have. Another indicator to prove what Levy has said about cops having to much time off. .

Does levy know how much time you have off?

[you hate us...lol]

Know the difference from "badmouthing" and the truth.

I know. When you post and exxagerate everything you are badmouthing, when you see a post that might cast scpd in a neutral to positive light and you do everything to disrupt it and talk about "vds" and king pervs..which in the course of the next 20 pages are proven wrong.

[Unregisteredipshyt]

My obvious agenda is simply to paint you "heroes" as you truly are. A blood sucking police union who is gouging at the public trough and villifying a county executive who is more concerned with the plight of the hardworking taxpayer rather than a greedy union.

And the reason?
Jealousy.
Wah cops have it better then me, what shall I do? Post here daily for a few years and try to hurt their feelings.

[Unregisteredipshyt]

For every one of my posts, and there have not been that many,

Thats the biggest crock of shit ever. You've posted here weekly at a minimum for years, the only reason you've slowed down is because everyone recognizes your crap, and just laughs at you

[Unregisteredqqq]

Thats the biggest crock of shit ever. You've posted here weekly at a minimum for years, the only reason you've slowed down is because everyone recognizes your crap, and just laughs at you

+ thats why he'll be awol for a few days....unless he reads this and thinks he has something to prove

[Unregisteredeepak]

Does levy know how much time you have off?

amen!!!!!!!!!!!