Southpark FD

[Cartman for chief]

Whats this all about? Why do they keep erasing the posts when others stay up on the Board?

[JWSm]

Morining all,

What a crock! The nerve of these people to remove all the posts pertaining to the Center Moriches FD and how they spend money.

[JWSm]

So today is the start of a new day. Once again we express the truth

[EZ Rider]

What so secretive about Operating Budgets anyway?

[JellyRoll]

Exploit the Truth!

Then remove!

[Digger]

Hey I see that all that hard work from yesterday was removed.

Run out of tissues yet?

[A Real CMFF]

What a shame! I come on this site and all the hard work is gone!

[Its In The Walls]

Cry and the world cries with you,

Complain about a fire district and you cry alone!

[JellyRoll]

My concerns exactly :!:

[Its In The Walls]

Shortly the dispatchers get off duty so I assume they will make their phone calls to the commissioners to get the threads removed again tonight.

[DillyDally]

WELL SAID "U GOT TO BE KIDDING ME"

[###guest###]

Neighbors of the Board,

Yesterday I had asked some questions regarding the paid employees of the Center Moriches Fire District. As I return to the site today I realize that all the posts have been removed. Its unfortunate that some people felt ashamed, nervous, scared or annoyed of what had been said. What I find utterly ridiculous is that many of the other posts contain such indecent and harsh content and they still remain on the bulletin board.
I am not really sure what was stressed in my post that was so indecent that it needed to be removed forever from this bulletin board.
If all it takes is some complaints about the content of the message than every post and every thread on here should be removed immediately.
Is there such a harm in reporting facts of expressing such dismay about a particular fire district that the entire post needs to be removed?
If you look at other bulletin boards and read what is being said about County Officials, I wonder why the moderators have not removed these postings!
Let the people speak! Let the questions be asked! There is no harm in asking for the truth or an explanation. God knows you cannot open your mouth in a Fire District meeting or you will be considered Out Of Order.

Can you tell me what the question was that you asked yesterday? I missed it and you certainly peaked my interest.

When people erase things that they do not want to read about it is obvious that the truth hurts. Fortunatly they can't erase the articles in the news paper such as the Brookhaven LaValle scandal.
To me these are the same people. How many people on your Fire District board works for the Town of Brookhaven? or Water Authority? or the School District? Besides to me going to a Fire District meating is a waste of time. They let you hear what they want you to hear - just like what they print in the minutes - then they go into an executive meeting to discuss the real stuff which we never find out about.

Thanks

[U Have To Be Kidding Me]

Hey Guest,

I would love to rewrite what I send but unfortunately if I do, the crying game will start again and this post will be removed also.
It was about operating budgets and salaries of district employees of a particular fire department.
They must have complained enough to the system administrators to have the entire post removed.

[Its In The Walls]

NOW THIS IS CRAZY. YESTERDAY THERE WERE 4 PAGES OF STUFF PERTAINING TO THE PAID EMPLOYEES OF THE CENTER MORICHES FIRE DISTRICT AND THIER BUDGET, AND EVERTHING MYTERIOUSLY DISSAPEARS IN A FEW HOURS.

EAST MORICHES AMBULANCE HAS BEEN RIPPING INTO EACH OTHER FOR SOME TIME NOW AND THEY ARE UP TO 60 PAGES AND GOING STRONG.

EM AMBULANCE, YOU GUYS SHOULD CALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND DISPATCHERS AT CM AND SEE HOW THEY MAIPULATED THE SYSTEM MODERATORS INTO REMOVING ALL THE POSTS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT!!

[Sad Situation]

I really don't understand the sudden flurry of interest in the payroll expenditures and the budgetary issues. I do know why the information is interesting but let's face it these are all issues that cm dept members all already knew existed for years.
All the budget did was put a number on it.

You seem to know a lot and have a lot to say about it.

What rock have you all been hiding under?

Are you an active CMFD interior firefighter?
Are you an active firefigher at all?
Why are you hiding behind the people who do more then talk?

Where were you before and during both elections?

So what if some think the past "30" was a screamer.
He isn't a cry baby candy ass.
He got the job done and he got it done right!
He fought for the firefighters - for "Safety" for "Training" for "Equipment" and tried to do it with impartial fairness.

So what if he didn't talk softly when things went crazy.

EVERYONE CAME HOME!

Last two questions -
Where were you before and during the elections?
And why weren't you screaming 1/1/05 when the new 30 and 33 took office?

You have a lot more to worry about then the budget.

[###guest###]

Is your panties too tight?? calm down. Don't you think people have a right to know what the salaries are? I do not think anyone should bitch about what other people make however. After all I think they could have had the job if they wanted it. I think people are just jealous.

PS: what are the salaries of the people and their positions. I am not a member of CM but I am a volly at another department I would just love to compare.

Thanks again

[DillyDally]

First of all noone is saying anything bad about our ExChief!
At least he was an interior firefighter for starters and I am one also.
I am not too sure why you are bringing him into the discussion.
This isnt about him, he was screwed by the members of the department. Then at later dates have the balls to ask for a round of applause for what he did. We know what he did. My question is which side you are on. You speak highly of him and many of us agree with the positive job he had done fo rthe department. However, the real candyasses voted him out! Now look what we have to work with.
I was all for WS. I believe many of us were. He was indeed a standup guy or he would not have put himself into the position he did with the suspensions.
Exactly what are you trying to say? Your comments are a bit confusing. This is not about ExChief 30. Thsi is about whats been going on for a long time and finally some people have had enough and have decided to make some waves. The members of the department are blind to see whats been going on or they would have tried to stop it some time ago.
Look at how our money was wasted for on an antique. By the way, who really is responsible for this vehicle? Our new 30 wants to cut expenses. Where is he starting?
WS was a good Chief and some of us believe he did a pretty good job for what it is worth. If one of your questions you are referring to a past member, I can think of a few. People like to bicker but I bet there was and still is a respect between them and us.
Maybe some of us are just tired of whats been going on.
maybe this is all just a waste of time. Since most of the content of your questioning had to do with WS, I will tell you this. I respect him. Others with me respect him. And some people that arent here anymore respected him then.
So where do you stand?

Sorry I won't post saleries.

The real issue is not about how much they make.

[DillyDally]

By the way Sad Situation, whom are you directing these questions at?

dillydally

it's all the same issue and my questions are still the same

why did it take you so long to come out from under whatever rock you've been hiding under?

why did it take so long for you to have something to say about it and why only here???

[DillyDally]

I didnt start this thread Sober did. I have been here all the time. I saw what others were writing on here and jumped on board. Maybe this is the time or maybe its just something different.

[a guest]

bump

[Sad Situation]

Dillydally
Glad you are finally fed up too - by your reaction to my questions I see we are in the same place.
I too have been here all along - long before yesterday.
My questions are directed at all those who posted so much "out of the blue" yesterday -

I missed it but understand there was quite a flurry of activity about the budget particularly the payroll at cm.



It's obvious the only criteria to be a commishioner is to know enough people who know enough people to vote a certain way just because they are told to.

You say you are an interior firefighter - if that is in cmfd do you feel safe entering a burning building under the direction of the new 30 or 33?

Should we (you, I, our brothers and sisters) be guinnie pigs to the new concept of "on the job" training?

My point about the old 30 is this.
The commisioners should have acted to protect us from this and if they did WS would still be chief. He did nothing wrong.

When asked why they didn't reject this year's nominations for Chief, the "reasoning" the BOFC was that, they never returned a slate in the past (even though the wrong guy was elected), and they don't intend to do it now, or in the future. So, I guess we're stuck with who's there. I just feel sorry for the two guys in the middle (31 & 32).

seriously?that is not a responsible answer.

they will have accountablity either when someone get's hurt or something stupid happens because they let this ridiculous charade go on unchecked

mark my words (because it's only a matter of time) when something happens at the hands of these icompetent idiots (and I call them idiots for thinking they can pull this off)

be it a fellow firefighter, a friend or a neighbor we will not keep quiet and the district will answer for their ignorance and arrogant indifferance in a big way

commissioners need to be reelected - this is something many of us are not soon to forget - wait and see what happens then.

which of them is up for reelection next?

also - right about 31 and 32 probably nothing would get done without them and by the expressed opinions of 30 and 33 who have already set out to undo as much as they can.

i hope those who voted them in are paying attention
wonder what their position would be if it were their house all unnecessarily torn up ?

[Sitting in the back row]

I have been sitting here reading all the posts and the most profound statement about the Center Moriches Fire District was finally stated:

The Commissioners should have acted to protect us from this

Sad .... You are so right you hit the nail right on the head

Unfortunately, the district does not realize just how bad things have become.

The Board of Fire Commissioners under New York State Law has the ultimate responsibility of
accepting the departments choice for chief and assistant chief. That’s right just because the department has a vote and Fireman X wins the majority vote this person does not automatically become chief of the departments. The DISTRICT has an obligation under this law to accept or even decline the departments vote for chief / asst chief. It is their responsibility to check and make sure the elected chiefs have all the requirements needed for his position and meet the Department & Districts by-law requirements. So just remember it’s the DISTRICT that picks the CHIEF It is customary for the district to approve the slate the department has put out but not all the time … just ask someone from the Ridge FD what happened many years ago to Chief Johnson.

Just because you were a chief 20 years ago does not automatically make you a good chief in 2005. So much has changed since then, back then the fire academy taught you to take your scott pack hose and stick it into your turnout coat to give you a few minutes of air to get out. And now this old school way of doing things has been re-bourn in CM.

My word of advise to you Sad and all my other brothers and sisters in CM …

A house or building in Center Moriches can be replaced … YOU CAN NOT BE REPLACED !!

It is not worth taking any unnecessary chances.

Stay low and stay safe

[anyone paying attention]

has anyone else noticed -

someone brought this to my attention.

for a few years leading up to 2004 seemed there were some difficult times upstairs in the chiefs office under the (new commish).

Then comes 2004 - add to the equation the current 31 and 32 - things start getting done more efficiently - everyone seems to get along - pretty smooth sailing.

something to be said - and the credit should be given to the past 30 and 31. They did a very good job of preparing the current 31 and 32 - good thing.

very good point
i agree
:D :) :o :lol: :P

[DillyDally]

Excellent comments! As stated in a previous post, the department can elect a Chief but the Fire District can deny him to be sworn in especially if he/she has not met the criteria to become a Chief. If something was to happen to a member in our dept. the investigators will come-a-knocking. Look what happened in Oceanside awhile ago when some brothers were burned at a commercial building fire/explosion. Alot of questions were asked and records scrutinized. If something was to happen here, what records do we have to reveal. What training can we show and what qualifications do the current 30 and 33 have in their files?
NONE. Yes its great to see 31 and 32 start to come around and try to make a difference. Unfortunately the question is, how long will the some of the current dept members, 30 and 33, and the fire district allow them to continue before they send out more index cards and vote them out.
Will someone get hurt? Who really knows! C'mon be real, we are NOT a busy fire dept at all. The few fires we get are really no big deal and we have been lucky that things have turned out good for us. DO we train enough? Absolutely not but it is getting better. Unfortunately there were others that were really into the training and look where they are now. JN who has a great deal of knowledge is just a passing shadow now. SK put alot of effort into attending seminars to learn and bring it back to us but many members (especially the older ones) became threatened so they voted BH in instead. GM (31) is all for any training but noone takes him seriously. 32 has great intentions but can he get members to come up for trainings? PC is considered a cancer by mahy of the members yet he is probably one of the smartest people in here. WS attended alot of the county schools even when he was an assistant. The only problem he had was with TP who butt heads with him on occassion about trainings, lol. WS tried to put together a group of members he felt confident in to come up with ideas for continued trainings and schools but it slowly fell apart.
The REAL problem is that this place is so used to doing NOTHING that when some people try to change that, they are shitted upon and forced out. The problem is the LINE OFFICERS. These guys are a real joke. They could care less about learning any real skills. They are strickly meeting planners! They serve no other purpose. How many of them actually know how to tie a knot, read a gas meter, breach a wall, force entry, vent properly and even lead other members. NONE OF THEM! And this is the problem. It really doesnt matter so it goes on year after year. Look at other fire depts. Listen to their radio messages about trainings. I remember when the once TP SK and GM (31) went to another fire house and borrowed tools we nenver had or even saw here. They were able to sell someone on purchasing them and we did. But how many members really care to learn how to use them or even know how. We have a ladder truck sitting idle in our barn that hardly anyone cares about. We should be proud of this piece of equipment. Look what it saved the tax payers! Unfortunately the majority here only see firefighting as putting water on something very hot and red/orange. Havent we learned that VENTING is somewhat REALLY importatnt. Look at the fire the other day on Clinton and the sceaming for vent. I remember a certain soemone constantly trying to stress the importance of vent and venting at the right time.
JM was and will be a great guy but it would have been interesting to see what this place may have become if he actually lost the election. Again no disrespect to him at all, I admire him and wish him well but there were times when I looked at what our Chiefs Office may have looked like if things were different. Maybe those guys would have steamrolled right thru the dept and made great changes. Or maybe not. The truth is we will never know unless they all come back!
We had a pretty good thing going once. We had a LARGE group of people that stood and represented something we NEVER had... A REAL DIVE/RESCUE Team. The great thing is that JM and TP made sure it was open to everyone who wanted to see it work. Ironically, who was one of the people that "SAT IN THE BACK ROOM" and made negative comments about the whole thing? Thats right, our current 33. And some of his colors came out during the house fire on BellView. Since he was ALSO against the purchase and training on the LADDER TRUCK, he had no idea and still has absolutely no idea about venting at all!!! I kind of saw a pattern. Was he really against the DIVE TEAM and LADDER or was he just jealous of the person who pushed and got them both for us. Same with 30. Did either of them train on any of this? NO! Did they train on our BOAT? NO! Now they are in charge and in charge of equipment they have no idea how to use!!! This is such a joke!! ANd all the keep quiet big mouths in here have nothing to say. Believe me all, even though some people are not here anymore, they know whats going on. On the other hand, maybe some of us that are here are starting to get fed up. Nothing was really said until after 30 lost. And look at the backing he received from us. Maybe the Officers should have backed WS and resigned their positions. Maybe just maybe it would have sent a message. If we thought he was doing such a great job, which he was, why didnt we band together and support him when he needed us? Alot of us voted for him so why didnt we make a difference back on 1/1/05? We allowed for the change and obviously it happened and we moved on. Now people are complaining about the way 30 and 33 are running this place.
Lets start by getting a new BOFC. Then we bring back the members who quit or have become inactive to a point, then we redo our Chiefs Office and like it was said yesterday, let them push for the Line Officers they feel will do the job.
I really hope that an end is in site for those that hold power up here.

[NO INTERIOR]

THEY HAVE NO INTERIOR FIREFIGHTERS MASTIC PUT OUT ALL THERE
FIRES

what r u talking about?

[A Real CMFF]

Thats pretty much accurate in some cases. With th exception of a FEW interior guys like RP (when he is there), Mastic puts out the rest :!:

[Lesson 2 B Learned]

I vote that we fill out applications for all of the ones who left, bring them to their houses, make them sign the applications for membership, and get them back in here!

[A Real CMFF]

Hey "sitting in the back row" I just caught on to what you said in your prost about scott pack hoses and puuting them into you rcoat for a little extra air, (FDNY Trick) anyway according to Johnny Boys letter he sent our for his election, we didnt have scott packs back then. It was only until he bacame a CHief that he was solely responsible for breathing apparatus, which would allow firefighters to go deeper into a burning building to rescue you, our community! lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JellyRoll]

Give that man a standing ovation!! :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

[Its In The Walls]

Good morning all, I see our Topic made it thru the night. Good Deal!!
Thats some great threads put on here. Lets keep it going..

[JWSm]

hey all!!

[DillyDally]

Hey, I hear that 33 and BOFC GL along with Capt E1 JA are giving the next training on Opposing Handlines.

[DillyDally]

No this is not completly accurate. The Captain of E1 wont be able to make it. He has a hard time getting up early to teach a training.

[A Real CMFF]

No problem there, GL can contact 32 and he can teach it via nextel

[JellyRoll]

Bumpity Bump :roll:

[FireEms345]

good things said!

[Missed the boat]

"I missed it but understand there was quite a flurry of activity about the budget particularly the payroll at cm."

I wish someone would tell me the salaries of the Custodians and the Supervisor.
It must be a doozie for them to erase it ASAP! I wonder why....... Do they have something to hide?

[ready to go]

glad to see you are all still here and on the right subject

i know it's friday and we're all tired but keep it up! :wink:

[Sig 23]

where is this whole thing headed

glad to see more on board and it might be just good to vent but
at some point *before someone is hurt* you have to stick your head out and let your feeligns be out there

word is they think it just a handful or only 1 or 2 guys are making the posts

i know that could not be true

i was shocked the officers who support ex-30 WS kept the seats

would have sent a serious message but that opportunity is past

so now what

[Another Real CMFF]

I'm not disappointed that the company officers didn't step down, we do need some stability. Two out of the three captains belong there and they know what they are doing. As far as the Lts. go, two are new, and one is in his second year. They should be fine. We have to remember that we have a service to provide, and we need people around we can trust our lives with, so I for one am glad the officers didn't bail.

[Sig 23]

Your responce is not far from wrong. The calls really do need to be answered. It could still run without the line officers. They would have been forced to fix it if more then a few really had a pair! I never stopped answering calls. It just would have sent a clear message if they stood up and took a stand.

If you don't want to be part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

I'm not disappointed that the company officers didn't step down, we do need some stability. Two out of the three captains belong there and they know what they are doing. As far as the Lts. go, two are new, and one is in his second year. They should be fine. We have to remember that we have a service to provide, and we need people around we can trust our lives with, so I for one am glad the officers didn't bail.

are you really serious?
they might be great guys but collectivly it is not what it should be

[Another Real CMFF]

Yes, you are right, it's not what it should be, and I understand that. The thing is, what's done is done, and we do need to move forward. The BOFC is not going to reverse course, and we are stuck with our current 30 and 33. So, my point was moving forward and we do have mostly good people as line officers. I would feel safe going into a situation with most of the FFs and the current line officers, and to me, that's very important. I have not stopped responding to calls, probably because the line officers are people I trust.

I do not trust the new 30, or should I say, I don't feel safe under him. He does not believe in OSHA or NFPA regulations or guidelines, even the simplest ones. In my opinion, he thinks CM is an autonomous island, and he is the sole authority on safety. That scares me.

[Sad Situation]

Both right!
That is exactly what makes this such a sad situation.

We have came so far in such a short time despite a chief (now commish) who had the same mentality. It's all about winning favors in the district office. An ass kissing thing that must give the simple minded a feeling of importance.

You've got a good point because I really would have stopped answering calls if I didn't trust my fellow ff. The fact still remains there is a much greater chance for disaster now then there ever was before.

Things need to be rebuilt. The longer it takes the harder it is going to be. 30 and 33 are a brick wall in their attempt to prove this can work. We didn't work so hard for it to come down to this.

Don't you be so sure that we are stuck with them!

[Another Real CMFF]

Sad Situation, you said "Don't you be so sure that we are stuck with them!" and "things need to be rebuilt". I agree that things need to be rebuilt. Here we sit, 14% into the new year. Who do you think is going to act to change this situation? The BOFC? 30 or 33 resigning? I don't think either of those things will happen on their own. It would take someone getting hurt, or worse, for either of those events to occur. We can complain all we want, but this situation will probably remain for the rest of the year. If you have another scenario, please clue me in. I would like to have some hope, too!

[4Fun]

Why does CMFD need to spend millions of dollars on dispatchers?
Doesn't the County already have dispatchers?
Can a pettition be signed to forced dispatchers to be removed and taken over by the County to save taxpayers money?

[Sad Situation]

We have a lot to be hopeful for
There are more of us then you know; we stick together

and in the meantime . . .

"May The be with you" :wink:

yeah we can tell

[one of the line officers]

The problem is the LINE OFFICERS. These guys are a real joke. They could care less about learning any real skills. They are strickly meeting planners! They serve no other purpose. How many of them actually know how to tie a knot, read a gas meter, breach a wall, force entry, vent properly and even lead other members. NONE OF THEM! And this is the problem. It really doesnt matter so it goes on year after year

First off FUCK YOU! You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You are right that is all we do is meetings and planners. Only because thats the way the department wants it. All you hear from all the old timers:" We did it that way for as long as i can remeber" is what you get .Sounds familar? We as officers are trying to change the responsibilities of office but like everything it takes time. Yes, some of the officers dont know how to do basics. Did you ever step up to the officer or FF and show them how to do something that they may have being doing wrong? Propably not! You ran back to the House and started bashing them. So who ever dillydally is its safe to say you were never in a real fire with me. And if you were than you are stabbing me in the back come and talk to me personally at my home, I'm sure you know who I 'm. Tell me to my face! When we have training where were you? Because I had given most of the classes you mentioned above to my company. You want to talk about leadership please, lets do it! If you know me than you know my background.

so what should we do about this

[Another Real CMFF]

Whoever said the line officers are the problem obviously do not know what they are talking about. It's true, one of them will not go inside a burning building, and has actually walked away from backing up the knob. The other two train others, have good ideas and actually do lead. I know this. And, as I said previously, the Lts. should be OK.

This whole line about the line officers, in my opinion, is rediculous. Look above to where the problem really is.

Your guys lost get over it already or quit.

[Sober]

I agree the problem stems from the top.

[CONCERNEDVOLLY]

TO ALL AT CMFD,


WHY DON'T YOU AIR OUT YOUR PROBLEMS WITHIN YOUR ON FIRE DEPT. YOU ARE MAKING FOOLS OF YOURSELF ON THIS SITE. IF THE WRITERS ON THIS SITE DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO SPEAK UP AT A MEETING THEN STOP WRITING ON THIS SITE. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WON'T BE EXPOSSED. JUST WAIT. SOMEONE WILL FIND OUT A WAY WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY ON HOW TO FIND OUT WHO IS BASHING ON THIS SITE.


GROW UP, STAY SAFETY

hey concernedvolly

there is a lot more bashing going on in other depts then this one

so tell them your little speach also

look at E.M. FD

or R. FD

[Another Real CMFF]

So, I guess this is the return to professionalism in the CMFD. Threats that the writers here will be identified. Sounds like the professionalism practiced in the old USSR or Nazi Germany.

I think I'll take a signal 9 while I think about what to write next...

good point

If your guy had another 209 more votes he would be commissioner right now and the election would have been fair, right? Who ever heard of a chief losing and election on a right in? Great job supporting your guy. Like you said earlier. The members screwed B.S ,well you are the members. Better luck next year. Losers.

[Dangerous Situation]

B.S. had the balls to publicly announce who he supported look where that got him! people where way to offended by his honesty.

[signal 9]

Do you think the new 30 and 33 realize what fools they look like?How they were used like porns in a game! I doubt it!

[Another Real CMFF]

I don't think they have the capacity to see that they were pawns in this whole thing. The sad thing is somebody is going to get hurt, then we'll see how quickly the BOFC hangs them up!

Some of the membership did screw BS, no question. And, he did lose. But, is that really the point? Safety and professionalism are the points here, which begs the question: Are CMFD firefighters better off now, safer now, than last year? I don't believe so. That's why I'm glad 31 and 32 didn't resign, and I'm glad the officers stayed as well. Nothing would have been accomplished by them resigning. Some may say that if they did resign, that would have caused the BOFC to act, but it wouldn't have.

A lot of the winners were claiming that BS was ousted because of the "rampant" spending of the department. We did spend $20,000.00 more than we took in. That's just a diversion, and they think most of the membership is too stupid to realize that. The chief has very little control over department expendatures. Just look at the way we're spending money now. A motion for money is made, seconded, then voted on. Have we said no to anything yet? So, when we spend more than we take in this year, does that mean the current 30 gets ousted?

You talk about 31 and 32 like they are the greatest thing that ever happened to the department. If wife beating and being a thief or arsonist makes them that then so be it. 31 should have resigned and B.S could have been elected to that position,then your man would still be in a chiefs car.

[Another Real CMFF]

Oh, isn't that nice. I never said any individual was perfect. But, typically when someone can't stay on point, they take an irrelevent shot. Everything I talked about is behavior at an incident. I'm selfish I guess, I want to be safe at an incident. That was my whole agenda here, but either you (Guest) can't read or don't have the attention span to stay on point.

Why don't you, Guest, address some of the questions I posed. Since you have problems remembering things, some of the questions I asked were "Do you feel safer now?" and "What happens when the department spends more money than we take in this year?". Answer those, and try to stay on point...

[somethingsyinks]

Seems that this bulletin board has a mind of its own. Its has a soft spot for anything related to Center Moriches and its Fire Commissioners.

Where the equally with this board.
Either erase everything or nothing at all!!!

It's all Political. you mentioned the magic word. SALARIES.... could you please mention it again. I missed it I heard it was a doozie.

Can't answer your question, I'm not a member of the department. This is a volunteer organization not the FDNY. They put their lives on the line when they fight house fires not you. How often do you see a working 13 ? How often do you enter one? They do it on a everyday bases. Get off your high horse and be a member and solve the problems or quit.It's that easy. As far as monies being spent You have a right to stand up at the meetings and question it. Do it, or are you balls attached to the key board?

[signal 9]

This is very typical of cmfd. no one will stay on point, because they don't want to fix the real problems we have they can't separate management from friendship even if it means the safety of others now isn't that sad!

[Another Real CMFF]

Granted, we don't see many working 13s, but we have had two so far this year. But, it only takes one to get somebody hurt or worse. Yes, I have been inside working 13s. FDNY puts their lives on the line much more than we do, any idiot knows that.

If you're not a member of CMFD, why do you care? Why don't you join and help straighten us out, you seem to have many progressive ideas. Who's feeding you all your slanted information?

I've never had problems with the money spent at the department. I just don't see how the chief gets blamed for the money being spent. Like I said, when we spend more money this year than we take in, does that mean the current chief gets ousted? It's a rhetorical question, because that's not why the prior 30 was ousted, just an excuse the winners give.

[real problem]

There are many problems here ,the concerns are not about the salaries. "SAFETY and ACCOUNTABILITY" which is spoken about is the important issue. You touch on it, then you bitch about who won or lost an election . The B.O.F.C. really need to focus on their job. It is very sad that they are in their own world and do not realize their responsibilities. I am not judging the qualifications of 30, which are open to judgement, but the accountability of the B.O.F.C. When OSHA / PESH knocks on the DOOOOOOOOOR!!!!!!!!!! How could they possibly think everything is fine when the 30 & 33 do not meet any criteria according to P.E.S.H. or even there own By-Laws(B.O.F.C.) OOOOOOO thats right it all depends if it one of the good ol BOYS!!!!!!!

[sink pisser]

Wonder how Johnnie boy is feeling about the traditional excellence and professional ethics that we have brought back to the firehouse, since he 's the new commish? Remember Johnnie becareful what you ask for you just might get it and boy did you ever! HA HA HA

[Phone Call Away!!!!]

ANY BOARD OF FIRE COMMISH OUT THERE-EVEN THE NEW ONE WHO GETS THINGS REMOVED FROM "THE REPORT"!!! WAKE UP, GET SOME BALLS AND DO SOMETHING BEFORE YOUR PLASTERED ALL OVER NEWSDAY AND NEWS 12. A MAJORITY OF THESE ISSUES SHOULD BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND NOT JUST HERE ON THIS BITCH SITE. ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. TICK, TICK[/b]

i agree

I would never join that department . The back stabbing that goes on there is insane. It is worse then High school with all the little clicks going on. Tell me it isn't so. This one said that that one said this. Your a bunch of over grown babys.Instead of working together and making it happen you would rather go on a site and bitch about it.Instead of Improving your department you would rather deface it. Good job, what bravery. This is how I have always seen this department in my eyes. If you think I don't know most of the members guess again. My info is not taken from anyone else it is my own. Be the solution not the problem all the time.

[JellyRoll]

Hey look how far we have made it!!
I was reading over the earlier posts and saw on regarding 209 votes. Just out of curiousity, how many of those 209 actually lived inside the FIRE DISTRICT? That goes for the current chief also.
Lets call a spade a spade. I am sure that if the signature sheets for the elections as well as the petitions were really scrutinized, the outcome may be different!

[Another Real CMFF]

Good, Guest, don't join the department. I have never, ever stabbed anyone in the back at CMFD. My posts have all been about safety at a fire scene, that's it. I didn't directly bad-mouth any individual.

Every organisation organization has cliques (that's right, that's how you spell it). And, I haven't said anything about who said what. For some reason, it's hard to keep some people on topic.

Everyone wants everything back to normal. That's a grand ideal, but it's going to take some time, there are no quick fixes. A site like this can help a bit, I guess we'll see. I didn't bitch about anything, except the fact of not feeling safe. I also did not deface anything.

Why are you being such a coward, who are you? You know most of the members, which I know must be true. But, you see, your information is NOT your own, you have been taking from members that you know. You are not in meetings, or at an incident, or at any of our meetings. I am.

[DillyDally]

Hey people. You guys are not Line Officers and it doesnt matter how many fires you have been in. Lets face it we dont have that many and based on who you might be, you havent been in that long. Going into a fire is one thing. Knowing what to do when you are inside is another. Explain to me exactly what LEADERSHIP qualities you all possess? Explain to me what trainings and schools you have attended or even taught fo rthat matter.
You have no clue what a R.I.T. is yet you think we have one. Mastic knows what type of 'firefighters' we are. Thats why they cant wait to come to our town and put out our LITTLE fires. Who are the other Officers you make reference about?
Our current Truck Officer? C'mon, what has he seen? You really kill me about "how busy we are" We are an ambulance company not a fire department!
Fire away at the person telling you that you are not line officers! But in reality, you really have no idea what it takes to actually be one!
Lets break it down!
Capt Engine 1 - Afraid, untrained, joke!
Lt. Engine 1 - Only knows about safety in automobiles. Otherwise what fires has he been in?
Capt Engine 2 - Time to move on.
Lt. Engine 2 - Just because you now have a LADDER TRUCKand you came from a LADDER COMPANY before, you think that you know all about TRUCK work. sorry!
Capt. Engine 3 - dont know where to start.
Lt. Engine 3 - dont know where to start here either.

Listen here is the reality. Honestly what have we really had here? Not much in the way of any big fire. SO you make the first due and get the knob. Eventually the fire goes out. But can you actually explain the science of firefighting to probies? Can you explain how to cut a roof without reading up on it first? Can you expalin flashover, backdraft, mushrooming or anything basic for that matter?
My last comment is this: You should have backed WS all the way. I bet you had no intentions of attending the Installation Dinner until you found out that you would be getting "Fireman Of The Year"
Then you show up just in time.
Please you cant be a leader if you dont know how to lead.
Stop saing such strong words fo rthe ExChief. You should have been at his side!
No the BOFC probably wont change what has become and soon most of this will be forgotten.
Alot of us in here know that many other fire departments know what are potential is and talk about it. Why is it that we think we are so much better than East Mo? WHy do we take shots at Manorville and wonder why MAstic Beach doesnt 24 us? And Mastic, well they cant wait for us to have a fire because they know they will be coming and most likely put it out for us.

[A Real CMFF]

Hey 'ANOTHER REAL CMFF'

You mentioned about one of the screen names joining and helping out the department in making things better. Well its obvious by that comment that you are new to our department. We had people in here that tried that and look where they are now. Gone! EC and JC did an admirable job with the Ambulance Company! As for JN, maybe you didnt know that he was an assistant chief before he left. A person full of knowledge. At least he came back but he will never be the same JN that we know! And maybe you can recall the ExChief from Nassau County that came in here with all soughts of ideas and connections. He wasnt even an Officer and the Officers had him teaching Roof Operations and Ladder Ops! WHat was the BOFC intentions when they ran him against JM. Did they really want him to be our Chief or were they really using him? Yes I know him but havent spoken to him in awhile. These were people that wanted to make differences with training, professionalism and safety. We have NO safety in here what-so-ever. We don not follow NFPA and havent for along time. I bet the entire Chiefs Office doesnt even keep up with the guidelines.
Heres some examples as stated by someone in earlier posts.

SAFETY - Yet we have use opposing handlines. Do you know what this means and what can happen?

Venting - Lets break every window on a house just for fun. Or maybe lets break the window that we shouldnt break because its getting hot on the fire floor. This takes me back to the Officers. C'mon fellas wheres the ventillation schools. C'mon 'TRUCKIES' tell us what we should know.

Professionalism[/b] - Help me with this one. You explain the last time you saw any type of professionalism here. I know when. The Dive Team. Look at what we looked like. All the same. Jackets, hats, T-shirts. We were being groomed to act as one unit. We were schooled on looking and acting our best while in the publics eye. In the beginning when this was all so new and we were alittle off course, we were spanked by JM and reminded that if you didnt want to follow the rules of the Team, you would be removed from it. As a matter of fact, the Team was the only group that had rules in place. When we went someplace we went together. When we trained we trained together. When we had meetings, we all went, whether a diver or not.
This was probably the as close as we came to professional (NOTE: The Ambulance Company acts very professional at alarms)
How do we act at alarms. It seems that everyone needs to get off the engine and light up a cigarette right away. How do you think we look in the publics eyes?
We used to have Newspaper publicity! When is the last time we have had that? What happened to the open house? What happened to attending functions in our community?
Lets pat each other on the ass after a fire when in fact we made so many mistakes, someone really should have gotten hurt.
I want change just like many others want change. But when we have the opportunity to make a difference, we lose people and then the entire goal fades out. So we are back to where we started.
All I know is that, where do we go? Who really counts on us for assistance? Who even uses us for standbys anymore?
You are most likely a newer member, but I bet you dont even know that we had standbys lined up for us all over Nassau County a few years ago. We had opportunities for people all over both Counties to see who we are! But guess what, it was squashed by the powers that be! So now we dont go anywhere! Theres alot out there to see but our chance passed us by. Now we are a joke to many fire departments and look what is said about us on this site. Yes I am bitter and you should be also. All you see is what happens right in front of us, in this little town of Center Moriches.

[Its In The Walls]

The message here is:

No need to make any changes or worry about anything, until something happens!

[NC FireGuy]

Now thats from the heart! That must have taken all morning to write, lol. Yes it is true for those who didnt know. The department that I belong was one of the many other fire departments that the ExChief you are referring to had lined up for you guys.
Many of you think it was ridiculous that your little fire department would do standby's for departments in Nassau County, but I know guys that would give their left arms to be in that position. It doesnt matter what it says on the side of the rigs, all that matters is who responds when someone asks for help. Its a great brotherhood to be able to meet, travel, respond and work with other firefighters and ems members. If only the BOFC allowed you guys to try it at least once, then you could have experienced the feeling. Some FD's out here have stood-by for Suffolk FD's and some guys I know have rode with some companies in Suffolk (especially during brush fire season). In most cases you train and learn from others like you but may have alittle more experience. It does seem that your time had passed because the guy who had it all set up numerous times is no longer a member.
Thats too bad because you really missed out. We have had other SC Depts as well as some Upstate FD's ride with us. We share photos and stories and in the end we made some great friends with our brothers and sisters in fire and ems.

Stay Safe

[A Real CMFF]

Hey bring back the idea for that slate that was removed from a previous post.
I WANT TO DO STAND-BY'S :evil: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[FireEms345]

Bring back to ones who left!!!!!!!

[Another Real CMFF]

I know all the people you mentioned, "A Real CMFF". They are all good people, and I was sorry to see them go. All out basically on the same incident. Too bad, really, we lost a lot with those people gone.

The safety thing has been my point all along, and where are we today, right now. Not in a good place, sad to say.

I never expected "Guest" to join the department, and even if she did, how much help with this situation would be offered? She is an uniformed individual getting second hand information at best, and a no it all at worst...

Do you CM boys ever get bored of this shit???????????

[FireEms345]

How do you know if guest is a she by the way? I must have missed something.

Safety should be a gig concern as well as many other topics. But you cant make differences if the people that lead the place wont let you. I guess that is what is with all this hub-bub!
I know who the EXCHief people are referring to is also.
Why wont he rejoin? Has anyone asked him? What about the others that left as was mentioned. Has anyone heard from them?

[FireEms345]

Hey Guest,

Do you get bored with this stuff?

nope thats why i read it

[FireEms345]

Same here then!!

[A Real CMFF]

I get bored with the same old day to day crap that goes on up here. Nothing ever changes except salaries (which is why we started this topic).

[DillyDally]

Same old crap alright. Yesterday at 5:30 pm and again Signal 3's for ems respons.
Why should so many Signal 3's need to be put over before the ambulance responds?

[A Real CMFF]

Another Real CMFF,

Good to know that you knew them and liked them. They were and still are good people with alot of ideas. Regarding the incident, well that was just a pure, down-right, joke that none of the chiefs at that time handled properly. As a matter of fact, during the entire time NONE of the companies stood behind the guys/girl involved. This is what we represent here. When people need support, we cower and let the rumours take over. Forget about the fact the the chief at the time was on a witch-hunt, gunning for a few people. The other Chiefs never came to the side of those involved to see what really happened. As it turned out, did anything really happen? I guess not by the lawyer for the BOFC recommendations. Instead the chief then gets suspended and then becomes a fire commissioner himself, lol.
That entire event became a black-eye for us whether you agree or not. This event travelled throughout Suffolk and Nassau Counties for absolutely no apparent reason. How, maybe you new fire commissioner made telephone calls to fire houses to see where those guys really were! And where are the 2 instigators (rats) who were the real reason this all happened? Invisible. All but one that is anyway. He gets firefighter of the year that year. Hey I hear he was all smiles that night (from ear to ear)! ANd so was the other fool who couldnt wait to go to Hooters!
It eats me up just reminising about that incident! And then there was good old Miss TL who ran her mouth like the mother of all mothers, trying to make something out of nothing. Another know-it-all. Stiring the do-nothing, big-mouths!
Hey why is CC so invisible? IS it because he was promised fire fighter of the year and didnt get it! What a joke!!

[FireEms345]

Heres what you all do. Get thosae who left back into your place. Then set up the chief you just voted out to be on next years ballot.

[JWSm]

This may or may not have been mentioned in an earlier post but what about the current way a Chief and/or Line Officer is elected. There is no standing policy on the way they are actually put into office.
Most departments have rules and regulations for just about everything, especially when it comes to elections.
There were definitely people who voted that were not in "good standing" when voting time came, and noone really checks anyway.
This is a reality and I am sure we all can agree!
If percentages dont matter for who can be put on a ballot then why should we even have percentages. Obviously LOSAP isnt important either. I guess it is mainly for the award.
Nothing here makes any sense at all. We are really out of touch with what and how we should be running as a fire department.
And now we get back to the BOFC. What are their real concerns? We already know that they favor the "cant do anything wrong" employees. What else is important? I know that this is becoming an real hot issue on here and in town. Earlier, there were people that made statements on the operating budgets and other topics. I see they havent said much lately. Did they quiet down fo ra reason? From what I hear this is a pretty good assumption! Do they have any tricks up their sleeves?
Hey people, dont feel sorry for those who have ruined this place or those who dont care how it really should operate. Also dont feel bad for the mouths that do nothing but show up for meetings and freebies.
Its gotta change!
Really, before you make a negative or derogative comment, think for a second. Is this place really what a firehouse should be. Do you really like to be kicked out and locked out at 10:00 pm?
What about the bumper-sitters. Dont you get annoyed when you come into the building and they all clam up!
Dont you hate not going Signal 24's or being called for stand-bys?
If none of this matters then you are getting what you deserve. In time this whole place may get what it deserves. Or even worse, somebody could get hurt very bad because trining was not so important!

Ok it was bound to come out. Another real cmff figured it out on his own, I'm a coward . I'm doing the same thing everyone of you are doing. I guess I would be a good member of CMFD . I'm gonna submit my application to join and have B.S sign it. Here I come .

A real cmff ,You talk how great JN was. He had a lot of training and would have been a great asset to this department yes. If it had not been for one thing. What was that one thing? Could it have been the Elmont deal? If JN would have never quit in the first place and faced the f up he started and not let others take the fall things might be different now. EC and JC might still be on the ambulance. TP might still be a member and yes things would be different . Don't even get me started on JM. I never heard a true statement come out of his mouth. He would tell you one thing and turn right around and tell me something different. The best thing to happen to that family was JM sr.

[FireEms345]

Guest,

From what I had heard of that night, it didnt seem like anything at all. However I know nothing of what the then Assistant Chief actually did and what the others did to cover for him. I do know that the ExChief of Nassau County(TP) was embarrassed by what was said in CMFD and how your then 30 handled the entire deal. Nassau County fire departments, including the one TP was a long time member of, opened their doors to your members. The BOFC, Chiefs and members made those guys feel as welcome as anyone could ever feel. As did Uniondale. Whatever JN did is beyond me. What the BOFC as well as all the Chiefs at the time allowed to happen was a true disgrace to all! As I heard, one member in particular made harsh comments about the entire situation. Why did this issue have anything to do with her?
The female who came out with them, why was she punished in such a way that she felt it necessary to quit also. Especially when her mom was part of the BOFC. What did she do so wrong!
Drinking was an issue. Was it an issue when a female member from a department east of you was in the basement of your firehouse drinking in front of your Chief then? How come nothing was done about that night?
I cant speak for this JM. Was he the one that TP was put up against for Assistant Chief?
I am not sure why you would be called a coward by a nameless person on a bulletin board. If you believe that those people that left were reall assets then maybe you and anyone else who feels like you, should try to get them all to rejoin again. There is always strength in numbers. By the way, if you are not a member, how do you know them?
You have good things to say thus far. :wink:

[A Real CMFF]

Guest,

I have to give you credit on that one. You are 100% right. JN should have never quit! He should have stuck it out and fought for what he thought was right. I still dont know why he actually left or what he told his council but he ran away from an issue.
That was a great mistake. He should have stayed for the fight and let the real truth come out. Ironically, I dont even know what he did or said. I do know why EC, JC and TP. At least I think I know why. JC was embarrassed by the Chiefs Council and EC saw that even her own BOFC wouldnt get involved and put an end to the entire situation. JD ruined it for all of them. He destroyed good people. And now look where he sits! How can you suspend people, then get suspended yourself for pretty much doing the same thing, give yourself more days, then run for the BOFC!

[DillyDally]

SIMPLY BECAUSE HE AND EVERYONE THAT VOTED FOR HIM ARE FAKES AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

IN TIME HOPEFULLY ALL THIS WILL MAKE SOME SOUGHT OF A DIFFERENCE 8)

[FireEms345]

Hey by the way, I missed Desparate Housewives the other night. Did any of the dispatchers record it? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

[JWSm]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[NC1075]

What a potential mess!

[NC FireGuy]

Hey anyone want to visit an dride with some Nassau County FD's? :?:

[NC FireGuy]

How bout do a standby?

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hey guset

i am not sure what your talking about when say that about JM
that he never told the true statement not from what i have seen
didn't he put the dive team together?
he was a great cheif and this dept will miss him

[Another Real CMFF]

Hey, Guest. I KNOW who you are and I don't think BS would ever sign your application!

[FF1]

what depts?

[NC FireGuy]

pick one

Another real cmff: ok if you know who I am then say it. Let's see if your as smart as you think.

[Another Real CMFF]

No need to identify you, Guest. You would just say that I'm wrong.

You're not a member, anyway, and there really is no reason to be dealing with someone with second hand information.

We'll take this up again after you join...

[A Real CMFF]

Hey ANOTHER REAL CMFF,

I believe GUEST is a member because if you check the previous page he/she made mention of JN and what happened in Nassau County. He/she also made mention of the people that quit.

[A Real CMFF]

Wait, I checked on page 9 and guest said that they would nenver join because of the back-stabbing. How many GUEST sign-on's are there?
Maybe you are right.

[Another Real CMFF]

There are several "Guests" out there, but if you notice, only one was engaging me.

He is not a member, he's said as much. But now he's threatening to join, and I have no doubt he will get the signatures he needs, just not from the person he says will sign it. I also have no doubt that he will not fill out an application, I know who it is.

There really is no reason to talk about him, he is uninformed and spouts slanted second hand information.

[signal 9]

I also know who he is. Your right he is not a member but he is as close to one as you can get!

[A Real CMFF]

So who is he?

Another real CMFF : your correct I'm not a member but I had said that right from the start.
Signal 9: if you know who I am then say it. I already know you don't just by what you said. It would be fun to know anyway.
I know I said that I would never join this department but you say BS would never sign my application so.....
Just to prove a point I will. Only 2 people will keep me from becoming a member BS and PC if they don't sign it I'm not a member. It's that easy.
Another real CMFF: I'm not threatening to join. You will consider it an honor to work along side of me knowing I don't carry any knives.I would never stab someone in the back. I will tell them no matter who it is how I feel.I'm very straight forward and fair.something a lot of people in that department lack. You could have a 100 good men but people remember the ones the f it up. Those f ups are what stands out and the public remembers. Just like this site,. It does nothing good for your department. So to be my department and You should realize that and work from within instead of on some web site. If you have a problem fix it within. Use every option you have available. I'll show you how it's done when I get my signatures.

[DillyDally]

Way to go guest!!

[Another Real CMFF]

I look forward hearing your application read at the next department meeting, signed by BS and PC...

[A Real CMFF]

hey lets not get side-tracked. The reason we started this was because of the Operating Budgets in this place. Remember, it was all about what employees of the Fire District are making and what they do to earn the money.

And of course, the other topics were about the BOFC and the Chiefs Office in this place. Lets get back to the important stuff and forget about who certain people say they are or are not for that matter :!:

[FG1075]

Hey can I put in an application also?

good point real CMFF

[Leatherhead123]

where did everone go?

so is everybody going to run away now?

The truth is out anyways, so whats the difference?

i dont know but chief renzetti is the best chief in all of suffolk county and the rest of cm chiefs should just leave him alone

I LOVE YOU MAN :oops:

BILLY IS MY IDOL :roll:

CANT WAIT TILL HE IS CHIEF I MEAN 30 :x

[Heynow172]

Yea, he will make a huge difference!!

This train is way off track

It is about election fraud - duplicated salery expenditures

and the physical safety or all concerned!

Don't be side tracked by a defender of the small minded idiot who caused this to happen in the first place.

A person so vengeful that he must hide behind the only person who still believes his bull shit and will defend him.

A person who would destroy the people who are left in the department - the ones who care and do it for the right reason - just to get even!

Don't loose sight of the fact that it's all about 1 small minded person who's only adjenda is revenge.

We'll see who gets the last laugh!

[Leatherhead123]

Looking back at the previous pages there was much talk about the way things are being run here in Center Moriches. It seems that we have taken a break on trying to reveal some of the ways the BoFC are running the fire district. What happened to all the questions on the budget and what dispatchers, custodians and treasurers are making.
What about violations in Election Law?
What about employees hired that are not on Civil Service Lists?
Does any of this exist here?
I still want to know how they get away with it and why the public has been blind to it for such along time!
I was given a copy of the operating budget and some of the expenses on it are cause for some concern.
Lets try to get back to the point people.
We already have established what kind of Chiefs we have leading us here. At least 30 and 33. What still kills me is how 33 was elected, not so much 30.
BH was one of the "do-nothings" that used to show up for a meeting and love to take "pop-shots" at the guys trying to make difference!
Dont you remember how he used to sit in the back row of the meetings and make comments about the dive team?
Ever see him at any fireschool?
Ever see him in any fire?
A typical freeloader and mooch!
Did he ever try to get involved with any of the boat trainings?
Did he ever come to any of the dive trainings to learn what its all about and how it operates?
What about our ladder!
Did he driver train on it?
Learn how to use it for our advantage?
NOW WE AS IDIOTS ELECT HIM, AND GUESS WHAT? HE IS IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THIS!!!!!!!
Yea, all my trust goes into what he as a Chief would say or order at any dive emergency!
Sure, I will definitely take an order from him on any ladder work!
Hey Bill. show me how to operate the ladder.

IF ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORING DEPARTMENTS ARE READING THIS - DO NOT 24 US, PLEASE! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELVES YOUR COMMUNITY AND US IN GRAVE DANGER :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[spoon]

it sounds to me like you are just jealous and you probb lost to him

[Leatherhead123]

No I wasnt on the ballot. I am just one of the many who cant believe that he was elected as a Chief. But then again we tend to put alot of do-nothings in some type of office.

[me 2]

so what do the disp's get paid to activate calls?

[A Real CMFF]

Request a foil from the BoFC on the operating budget.

[FireEms1]

Get the operating budget and then you can see what they are making. Its kinda interesting that these people make so much for what they do. Whatever they do that is!!

The district treasurer and the deputy treasurer bring in quite a bit also as well as the custodian who is also the deputy treasurer..

[GUEST2]

And this is all legal??

[Potato Farmer]

Is it just me or is there anyone else out here that listens to these guys from CM on the radio during alarms?

[Emterrific]

no actually, Most people have more constructive things to do with their time than listen to a scanner and point out other peoples mistakes.

[Potato Farmer]

Who said that I listen to them on a scanner?

[A Real CMFF]

Hey all.

What about the way the dispatchers talk over the radio!!

I would have to agree Chief Bill Renzetti is the best ever. He can bring a lot to the table if we would just let him. I say let him do what he does best. By the way bill I'm looking for a low cost defibulator if you know what I mean :wink: . Get back to me on it.

[Feeling It]

Yea and I want to drink with an underage female firefighter from Eastport.

[EMS Buff]

Anyone know why the NY State DOH Car was parked at the Center Moriches firehouse the other night for hours :?:

Probably a routine audit..... There are reports that DOH is blitzing ambulances county-wide.

[Leatherhead123]

Maybe they are looking for something

[Stay Low]

Hey I wasnt a close friend of Bill R (32) but I do know that at least he went into a house fire!

[FireBuff151]

maybe they are inquiring about the possible purchase of the 2 new chief vehicles and looking for a spot to place the aed's.

:oops:

[Another Real CMFF]

:D

[Its In The Walls]

I guess we have not gone away yet!!

[Its In The Walls]

WE ARE STILL HERE!!!!

[JellyRoll]

Here Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny.

(Hey I wasnt a close friend of Bill R (32) but I do know that at least he went into a house fire!)


Yeah but did you ever ask yourself how he got it the building? Was he driving a vehicle of his that mysteriuosly caught fire ? was this how the house fire started? Only Bill knows.

[The Fly on the wall]

Jellyroll, Is that just your username or is it your personal appearance? I mean are you some fat bastard that takes 10 minutes to put on his turn out gear ?

I would like to congratulate J.D for winning the election for Commissioner by a land slide. Way to go. The community was behind you all the way.After all the Bs from B.S. and co. You still came out on top and always will with them.
I would also like to congratulate D.H. for being elected to the position of 30 and also being the first chief to win an election on a write in. I guess B.S and his boys never saw that coming.
I would also like to congratulate B.H. for being elected to the position of 33 good luck.
To bad dumb (31) and dumber (32) are still in position.When in doubt throw them out.

I'm sure like any other politics you will never see the end of this no matter how well you do in your positions. They will always have something to say and try to bash whatever you do. But they will never have the balls to say it to your faces.They are not men. They are cowards and are the true meaning of the word cowards. Never let what they say and do effect what you say and do.

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Fly on the wall..... Very well said.

Hey Fly on the wall what rock did your maggot ass crawl out of. Your little congratulatory speech is about 3 months too late here on the , wake up and smell the coffee pal.

Since you brought up dumb and dumber, I though it would be only fitting to talk about the other 2 chiefs 30 & 33.

I had the pleasure of watching them in action at a signal 13 at the Bagel Deli on Main St., for smoke in the basement. First, the paid paramedic (who thinks he's a chief) races into the building to confirm smoke in the basement. That's great maybe he can throw some sterile water on it to put the fire out !

Next you have Danny AKA Chief "Red Ford" in command, running around as usual in his blue jumpsuit and his 5-watt portable radio. Chief Billy Holborow in the back of the building gets reports from the first due crew that the smoke is weird, it is banking at about a foot off the ground and has a funny taste ? ?

Now, do you think something's funny here ? Since when does smoke hover 1 foot off the ground and taste funny......geeeee maybe it's not smoke !

With that Chief Billy Holborow sprang into action. He takes a pack away from firefighter Greg and off into the basement he goes. The only thing Chief Billy H is wearing is a turn out coat and his scott pack.. Nice Example you set for your men chief, what happened to full turn out gear, you know the boots, bunker pants, gloves, hood ???

Now back to the paramedic, instead of the paramedic worrying about patient care he goes to Chief Red Ford to ask if he can help. The chief tells him to give them a hand in the basement. With that the excited paramedic trades in his trusty stethoscope and b/p cuff for a turn out coat and scott pack and runs down into the basement too !! What the F*&# ? ? What about the rest of his gear ?? Chief didn't you see the back of his coat it says
P-A-R-A-M-E-D-I-C not firefighter on it. If you needed help that bad maybe you shouldn't have put all units on a signal 9 while you investigate the source of the smoke !! Does anyone else think this is totally messed up ??

And lets not forget to thank Brookhaven Town for requiring those Fireproof locks in Center Moriches. You see when 30 asked 33 to check for smoke in the adjoining stores 33 advised they were locked and were not checked. We all know fire can't spread into a locked building.

So the next time you want to talk about dumb and dumber lets not forget about the other 2 Chiefs Plain Old and fucking stupid, together they make a great pair. Ooohh by the way that smoke.... was a cloud produced by the deli staff mixing Clorox bleach and ammonia together. So while Danny might have the honors of being the first chief to win on a write in, he will also have the honors of having the first firefighter seriously injured or killed in the line of duty in CM under his command.

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good job :D :) :o :lol:

[JellyRoll]

NOW THATS GREAT READING!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Fly on the wall]

Hey Guest, I didn't know there was a certain time frame to congratulate someone for something they achieved. Please let me know what that correct time frame so I don't make the same mistake again.
I'm glad to see you feel it was a pleasure watching your chiefs at work. I also see you feel mistakes were made so what I would like to know is this. Why didn't you if your so great step up and say something or lend a hand? I know, it's cause you would rather criticize someone rather then help out.
You are the type of person I was talking about when I said coward. You would rather Bash someone for something they did rather then help. Why didn't you step up that day or address it at the next department meeting. Could it be you have no balls?
As for you calling me a maggot ass that is fine with me coming from someone like you it has no meaning. I know if we were standing face to face you would never open your mouth to me or even think of talking like that .So have fun on the internet.
Talk big act brave I know better. Soon you will make a mistake and lets see who is watching then.

All this just proves what was said so long ago in here. The Chiefs and Officers have no clue when it comes to firefighting!

Other Departments consider Center Moriches the "JOKE OF THE 5th Division"

Why do you think is that?

Forget about bashing for just a minute and try to answer this question.

[The Fly on the wall]

I don't know if Center Moriches is consider the joke of the 5th division. If this is true then how is it the fault of the chiefs and commissioner that took office this past election?
If you think by bashing other members on this web site is going to help then your wrong. It only makes the department look like bigger jack asses.
It was said on this site before and I'm gonna repeat it. Handle your problems in house. If you see someone doing something wrong then correct it. If you see someone needs help then help them it's not hard.
This is a volunteer department No one is forcing anyone to join or stay. If you want to make it work then step up and do something about the problems at hand. Don't just hide behind a keyboard.

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Hey Fly,

Good advice but we all know that the members of this dept do not like or want change. We had people step up to the plate and the dept shunned them. We had people try to make a difference and what did it get them. A few of them are gone.
Let be real for just a moment, we put people into office that wont rock the boat. Look at the Officers for example. JA, company 1 uses him as a yes man so they keep putting him in as captain.
Why did BH win as assistant chief? Was it because SK wanted to better the place with training? Give me some real good credentials and qualifications of BH. I can go on if you like.
Look at the operating budget. I saw itand couldnt believe that more money is spent on trips then on training. Why is that?
You make a few good points, but lets call a spade a spade. Our dept is sinking more and more each day. Forget about the bashers and those you may have problems with. Look at the big picture and tell me if you really dont see a problem where we are right now and where we are heading.

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[Guest2U]

Is this how you people from CMFD try to hide your mistakes by covering them up. Adding pages of blank posts, smiles and other garbage. Or is this just some kind of secret code going on here that Im going to need my Captain Crunch secret decoder ring to figure out what it says ???

You can’t just hide page 17

I Guess you must be pretty ashamed and embarrassed of yourself to go through all that trouble.

Maybe it’s time for you to ring the bell …

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[Gueest]

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Hey Fly on the wall what rock did your maggot ass crawl out of. Your little congratulatory speech is about 3 months too late here on the , wake up and smell the coffee pal.

Since you brought up dumb and dumber, I though it would be only fitting to talk about the other 2 chiefs 30 & 33.

I had the pleasure of watching them in action at a signal 13 at the Bagel Deli on Main St., for smoke in the basement. First, the paid paramedic (who thinks he's a chief) races into the building to confirm smoke in the basement. That's great maybe he can throw some sterile water on it to put the fire out !

Next you have Danny AKA Chief "Red Ford" in command, running around as usual in his blue jumpsuit and his 5-watt portable radio. Chief Billy Holborow in the back of the building gets reports from the first due crew that the smoke is weird, it is banking at about a foot off the ground and has a funny taste ? ?

Now, do you think something's funny here ? Since when does smoke hover 1 foot off the ground and taste funny......geeeee maybe it's not smoke !

With that Chief Billy Holborow sprang into action. He takes a pack away from firefighter Greg and off into the basement he goes. The only thing Chief Billy H is wearing is a turn out coat and his scott pack.. Nice Example you set for your men chief, what happened to full turn out gear, you know the boots, bunker pants, gloves, hood ???

Now back to the paramedic, instead of the paramedic worrying about patient care he goes to Chief Red Ford to ask if he can help. The chief tells him to give them a hand in the basement. With that the excited paramedic trades in his trusty stethoscope and b/p cuff for a turn out coat and scott pack and runs down into the basement too !! What the F*&# ? ? What about the rest of his gear ?? Chief didn't you see the back of his coat it says
P-A-R-A-M-E-D-I-C not firefighter on it. If you needed help that bad maybe you shouldn't have put all units on a signal 9 while you investigate the source of the smoke !! Does anyone else think this is totally messed up ??

And lets not forget to thank Brookhaven Town for requiring those Fireproof locks in Center Moriches. You see when 30 asked 33 to check for smoke in the adjoining stores 33 advised they were locked and were not checked. We all know fire can't spread into a locked building.

So the next time you want to talk about dumb and dumber lets not forget about the other 2 Chiefs Plain Old and fucking stupid, together they make a great pair. Ooohh by the way that smoke.... was a cloud produced by the deli staff mixing Clorox bleach and ammonia together. So while Danny might have the honors of being the first chief to win on a write in, he will also have the honors of having the first firefighter seriously injured or killed in the line of duty in CM under his command.

Do you really think by erasing you can stop us? think a






Hey Fly on the wall what rock did your maggot ass crawl out of. Your little congratulatory speech is about 3 months too late here on the , wake up and smell the coffee pal.

Since you brought up dumb and dumber, I though it would be only fitting to talk about the other 2 chiefs 30 & 33.

I had the pleasure of watching them in action at a signal 13 at the Bagel Deli on Main St., for smoke in the basement. First, the paid paramedic (who thinks he's a chief) races into the building to confirm smoke in the basement. That's great maybe he can throw some sterile water on it to put the fire out !

Next you have Danny AKA Chief "Red Ford" in command, running around as usual in his blue jumpsuit and his 5-watt portable radio. Chief Billy Holborow in the back of the building gets reports from the first due crew that the smoke is weird, it is banking at about a foot off the ground and has a funny taste ? ?

Now, do you think something's funny here ? Since when does smoke hover 1 foot off the ground and taste funny......geeeee maybe it's not smoke !

With that Chief Billy Holborow sprang into action. He takes a pack away from firefighter Greg and off into the basement he goes. The only thing Chief Billy H is wearing is a turn out coat and his scott pack.. Nice Example you set for your men chief, what happened to full turn out gear, you know the boots, bunker pants, gloves, hood ???

Now back to the paramedic, instead of the paramedic worrying about patient care he goes to Chief Red Ford to ask if he can help. The chief tells him to give them a hand in the basement. With that the excited paramedic trades in his trusty stethoscope and b/p cuff for a turn out coat and scott pack and runs down into the basement too !! What the F*&# ? ? What about the rest of his gear ?? Chief didn't you see the back of his coat it says
P-A-R-A-M-E-D-I-C not firefighter on it. If you needed help that bad maybe you shouldn't have put all units on a signal 9 while you investigate the source of the smoke !! Does anyone else think this is totally messed up ??

And lets not forget to thank Brookhaven Town for requiring those Fireproof locks in Center Moriches. You see when 30 asked 33 to check for smoke in the adjoining stores 33 advised they were locked and were not checked. We all know fire can't spread into a locked building.

So the next time you want to talk about dumb and dumber lets not forget about the other 2 Chiefs Plain Old and fucking stupid, together they make a great pair. Ooohh by the way that smoke.... was a cloud produced by the deli staff mixing Clorox bleach and ammonia together. So while Danny might have the honors of being the first chief to win on a write in, he will also have the honors of having the first firefighter seriously injured or killed in the line of duty in CM under his command.


gain , the truth is out.

bump

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[Co-Worker]

About Chief Holborow ...He isn't trying to hurt anyone. He's just trying to make friends, by being himself.

He thinks he's on the tier hanging with his boyz ...

the title "Chief" should not preceed his name.

He is far from being a Chief

i just read this thread and i cant believe that people are still talking about something that happened almost 2 years ago. you guys have a lot of work to do to get your department back the shape it used to be in. cmfd used to be a great organization to be a part of. there were alot of great people down there who were there to do a job and do it the best they could. now it seems that all everyone wants to do it remember all the bad shit that happened. forget it. its all over and done with. people who have moved on are not coming back and you have to work with the people you have. you guys should stop dwelling on the past and start figuring out how to get things back to the way they were when everyone got and long and remembered why we join volunteer organizations in the first place.

[Just Remember]

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King Jr

Hey Guest , those were such inspiring words, however cmfd was not that great of a fire department in the past either. Funny though that the same people back then are the same people running the place now.
Yes there were strides in place but those strides were cut short by the very people I believe you make reference about.
The people that were trying to enhance the department are no longer here because they were driven away by the ones that do not want progress.
The only progress being made here is the increase in salaries that the employees seem to get every year.

bump

while that may be true...you really have no control over that. instead of focusing all your energy on complaining about it focus on motivating people to change what you do have power over. and its true cmfd was once great. and people were driven away but that dosent mean that it cant be great again. there are 4 chiefs and over 100 members. power is in numbers and if everyone could agree to disagree on things that are unchagabe at this point in time you could all come together and realize that you can make things better and you can stop the back stabbing and bring the brother hood back. it wasnt so long ago that there would be 10 or 12 people down at the firehouse just hanging out and enjoying each others company every night. it wasnt so long ago that people hung out in the basement and went out together and hung out after an alarm. and maybe if yous guys tried to bring that feeling of "family" back these people that were diven away and that you say made such a difference might just see that and reconsider their decision to leave.

This is what all this is about. Yes there was a group of members that were always together (I was one of them). It was a great feeling when you came up there and were able to just hang-out and have some fun. We were the group that made the alarms, made the first due, made the rescues, drove the ambulances, made up the dive team, and even went out together.
The over 100 people is just a number because many of the are DO-NOTHINGS anyway. What was it, oh yea, "BUMPER-SITTERS".
Now 31 wants to have our dept get out and travel around and meet other depts. HELLO!!! Graham, are you awake yet.. You had your chances for just that and Tim is gone. He was the connection you are talking about. How can you make such ridiculous wishes when the entire BoFC and Chiefs Office was against the ideas of training in Nassau or standing-by in Nassau. Now you want to get out of our little district and play with others. C'Mon, who is going to play with us. Look what we have. These new guys have no clue about how tight some of us really were and the friendship and brotherhood we created out of nothing.
Will it ever come back? Personally, I cant see it happening. Not with what is leading us today.
Tell you what. You bring back the people who left or just given up and then we maybe we can make it happen all over again. Until then, we are what many depts are saying we are, the joke of the 5th Division. We lost alot of ground over the last couple of years. Do I need to go on!!

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[NC FireGuy]

I undestand that you guys dont hang out like you used to do way back when. I heard that it was a great time in the of laughs and fire talk back in the annex.
However, it was destroyed by members that were jealous of your group. That group of members wre what I heard called "THE CREW" but in a positive way.
I guess the others were not only jealous but afraid of the power this group could one day posses.
However, it wasnt about power. It was about a closeness some of the guys had for each other.
I still talk to one of your exmembers, who was indeed part of the group. I know what he has to say about each person that hung out on a friday or saturday night and even after alarms.
I dont want to say too much but I do know that he misses each one of those guys with a passion.
This was his way back in Nassau County also. And he misses those guys also but visits them alot and still trains with them from time to time.
Anyway after reading all these posts, I laugh at the way things seem to be being done in CM. You all need to really take a deep hard look and try to fix some of the problems.

Well said NC FireGuy..

Hey where r u from anyways?

[A Real CMFF]

Helllooooo....

Nice work NC. You must be a real true friend of his. Anyway, things are still screwed up here. Nothing really has changed. Not really sure how the BoFC are feeling these days.
Chiefs Office is still the same of course.

what do u mean by the "same"

explain how this chiefs today are the same with two of the past chiefs gone

i am not trying to make a fight, but i am not understanding that statement :?

[bsss]

http://fireemsli.proboards26.com/

much better

try it

[A Real CMFF]

By the same I mean as from the start of the year. Still a mess.

hey bsss

that site sucks :evil:

8)

[gue2]

:lol:

Its all still a joke here

SO now the training academy has a neww burn building. I winder if any of our guys will get lost in the first fire.

[The Fly on the wall]

I can't believe a certain few are still willing to cry over this. Give it up and get on with your lives. I haven't been on in a couple of weeks and I come back for a laugh and it's the same guys bitching about the same thing.
You talk about bumper sitters and members who do nothing look at yourselves. Get out from behind the keyboard for a little while and go get laid. You talk about C.M.F.D being the joke of the 5th this is one reason why.
As one guest said "it use to be a good department". I don't think he just meant when B.S, G.M,B.R,J.M where chiefs. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Out of these four chiefs the only one I thought was upstanding was B.S but now I'm seeing his true colors come out. His wife is no peach either. It's a shame because I thought they were both better then what I have seen.
I have said it in my prior post, One person doesn't make that department nor do those four chiefs. The department is made up of each member and to make it work you all have to work together reguardless of how you feel about the person next to you. Leave your ego's home when you go to the fire house.

[Still LOL]

It's pretty sad that you should involve the wife of BS.

I guess the truth really hurts huh?

[The Fly on the wall]

Look at what I posted I had nothing against B.S. or his wife to be honest I still don't. His wife is involving people that had nothing to do with him losing the election. So why is she so bitter? Tell me that. It does nothing for B.S, himself and it sure doesn't help him. What truth are you talking about? When someone tells the truth I will let you know if it hurts. Keep up the lies and crying.

[Still LOL]

Ouch - my reply hit a sensative nerve with you! I simply commented on your statement about BS and his "no peach" of a wife. Perhaps I missinterpreted what you said. Was it meant to be a friendly jesture?

It's admirable that she can express her opinion face to face with whoever she feels like. Obviously she correctly targeted at least one two faced, back stabber. If they weren't already guilty they would not be crying about it which also means "you" would never have posted a word about it here.

You should really put more thought into the crap you write because it's obviously you who proliferate the bitchin, the lies and the crying!

Now why don't you grow up and leave the families out of it.
The families sacrifice a lot which certainly makes a spouse entitled to an opinion.

THE TRUTH HURTS

[The Fly on the wall]

No, your reply didn't hit a sensative nerve. Yes I did bring B.S 's wife into it only to say that she is no peach. No it wasn't meant to be a friendly jesture. Guess what, she is not being friendly. it's not the people she approaches with her comments. It's her. That's all I'm saying about her. Like I said before I had nothing against B.S and his wife but The things they are doing are starting to make me feel different about them.
You say grow up and leave families out of it . Think about what was done during the comissioners election. if you could look back at the post on this site then you would see what some people had to say about other members' family. You talk about truth, when others starting speaking it then I will let you know.
If what I said about the mrs. B.S hurt her then I'm sorry I never meant for that to happen. Maybe she should think about how she talks to people on the street. Thats it . I don't wish her or B himself any problems. Just remember not everyone had something to do with the outcome of either election. Not everyone she is being rude to is a member of that department. There is way to be social with others. She just hasn't found the way to do it yet.

[Still LOL]

What other people posted about family members during the commissioners election doesn't make it right for you or anyone else to do it now.

She isn't hiding here annonymously. Why don't you talk to her yourself to see exactly what she said, who she said it to and why. I already have.

All I can say is they aren't afraid to speak directly to people. Which is more then I can say for some of the folks who are crying. Maybe they forget there was a time when they were outspoken in their opinions that includes the members they are affiliated to who are members of the dept and did have the right to vote.

I wouldn't know if you hurt her feelings but somehow under the circumstances I strongly doubt it.

[The Fly on the wall]

Your right it doesn't make it right but since I didn't say anything bad about them or her just how they were acting in general why does it matter?
It seems that all the post on this site have something to do with past two elections.So why should anybody post anything about anybody then? In your eyes it's not right.
I Never said she was hiding here annonymously. Like I said, I had no problem with them. I just don't like what I see now. They have changed. You call it back stabbing well ok. I don't. B.S. forgot about how he got where he was and let his ego and couple shitheads start making his decisions.
You talk of this one doing that and that one doing this, it has been like this for years but nothing like it is now. This is a volunteer department not a paid service if you want to join the F.D.N.Y then do it. Volunteer :a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service.
We can argue this point for ever your never gonna admit your wrong what was done during the past doesn't matter according to you so it has no presidence now. Well some might disagree with you. Me including. As long as people keep post lies on this site I will do my best to post the truth about what they said and if I can post true and only true statements about the people that are doing it. I admit this is wrong and only hurts the department and it is only a few members doing it but they are the ones that are afraid to say something to someones face.
If you got a problem with me send me a private message I will gladly meet you or anyone else to talk about it. hows that ? You might not like what I say but I will say it to your face or anyone elses.

[Rally 1]

Yeah really?

SO 6 months into the year. Any changes yet?

Not much really.. Mastic is really bored though. They are waiting for Centers next fire.. :lol:

[Lick it]

I hear that Mastic now has to go to fire scholl with center to help them there also!!

is that really true

[yeah when u get bumped]

bumped

the same happens at xxxxxxx..... ummmm makes ya wonder what kind of ties Center Mo and xxxxxx together. they have the same problems!!

What was the reason 5-4-33 called a Signal 1 in Center Moriches friday night?

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