MARTHA

[KING ME DADDY]

MARTHA MARTHA

WHAT IS UP WITH THAT!!!!! ARE WE TALKING RAE OR OFFERMAN

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

[MArtha My Dear]

Against Yatauro-who is a shill for Suozzola. Go MArtha! Diane stinks

[Offerman]

She lost as OB Clerk. She will now lose two in a roe.

[DR. KNOW]

This sad episode says more about Joe Mondello and the state of the Nassau GOP than it does about pathetic Martha Offerman. For how many years did we constantly hear about the 'bench strength" of the republicans; young elected officials and young lawyers ambitious and ready to step up when the party called. To their credit, for many years in the late 80's and 90's there was a great collection of talent. Some got elected, others took their shot, but their was always competition. That competition was fuled by having the County surrogate throw some cases their way if they lost, or giving them a slot on a County or Town board (Planning, Zoning, etc) or as a judge or a law secretary, to keep them in the game. But since Mondello gave away the County electeds ( Gulotta, Parola, O'Shea) and the Judiciary (especially the sacrosant Surrogate) , these posts are few and far between. And please dont forget how much legal referrral business was vacummed up by the firms Mondello belonged to (Certillamn and now the Peterson firm) that could have gone to young candidates to keep them on the 'bench." Steffanich and the pathetic Offerman are more John Venditto's hard work than Fat Joe's. Mondello always takes Oyster Bay Town for granted, until the Countywide chips are down. His blind loyalty to Hempstead town (where he is still chair and all his Levittown West Clubbers are stashed) will cause him to spend millions of dollars there, to protect Kate( levittown West alum) and his little bobo Santino, who is in the fight of his life this year, and not County legislators like Deniese Ford. A Ford loss and its 11-8 Demos. But lets run Offerman, she has such a way with people! PATHETIC!

[GOP=GOJ=Greedy Old Joe]

This is uncle Joe's way of telling Oyster Bay he can go around the TOBAY GOP.

There are some Execs that are blindly loyal and then there are the moderately independent, loyal to the locals and dependent on Town Hall, not West Street or Post Ave. "Hempstead's" Uncle Joe has been Soaking up TOBAY jobs since the first round of NC Parks Dept cut backs under CX Tom G.

Oyster Bay and North Hempstead have always been second tier. But now with fewer jobs available, there is less room for Joe's people without displacing TOBAY's own.

Uncle Joe is better at dealing with the professional career Democrats (dividing up the spoils) than in dictating to or dealing with upstart committeeman in Hempstead or even the marginally independent GOP Committeepeople, Execs and elected officials from OB, NH, & LB.

No secret, he has also decimated the Clubs, because the new people looking to get involved are:

1) less likely to be in it for jobs and more likely to have been energized by issues and event. You can not control these folks.

2) In it for jobs.... and there is already a shortage of patronage positions for the existing players.......... and their own well
connected but too often unqualified sons and daughters.

Remember the best connected law firms and lobbist are made up of Dem's and REP's.........they get theirs $$$$$$ no matter who is in office as long as no one makes waves .

[Sklavos]

I take orders from JJ. I have no opinion. I want to be an elected official.

[O B Dem]

I take orders from JJ. I have no opinion. I want to be an elected official.

Thanks Jay and Alex for futher destroying the town. Alex thats 2 who have defected under your watch. More to come.

Is being in Jay and Toms favor so important your willing to sit silent as they destroy the OB party. This situation could have been avoided. Martha just wants to run for Clerk again and the party won't let her. Now you have a primary against against a first term legislator.

[Issue Maven]

The Martha Factor is even more perplexing when you consider how she became politically involved (as " Murray") in 1989 - as an organizer of the Pro Choice party for Bob Aliano for D.A. vs. Dillion, then as a candidate for NYS Senate against Ralph Marino on a pro-choice, all-woman-candidate plank in 1990. Has chairman Mondello talked "issues" with his new candidate? And has Chairman Jay (who was the TOB Dem leader when all of the people who have now defected to the GOP) thought of taking a step back to see what could drive Dems with views antithetical to the GOP to the GOP? Perplexing on both fronts. Interesting potential for more "newsworthy" spats as these folks move forward in their "new homes".

[Martha & Famly Cort V]

Martha will be a great addition to the GOP. She would like to see that the juvenile delinquency hearings move forward into alternative sentencing and family involvement and rehabilition and prevention like they do in Red Hook Community Court. Reinharz is trying hard now to shake his belief in thinking all latino, black and italian kids are predisposed to criminal actions and should be jailed and punished as harshly as they can. He got ran out of NYC and now they are after him in Nassau County. Watch him try and use the Nassau Academy of Law to pretend to show a false compassion and mercy that he doesn't have, because he's begging Suozzi now to keep his job. Suozzi is onto him and the people he recommended for jobs and he's going to take a long, hard look at re-organizing them to save himself. He's already approached people about taking over the county attorney job NOW - not even waiting until November. Martha should call the Academy of Law herself and get some people from Red Hook to come in and talk about the City handles the JD's there - and get their legal aid to come in and talk about how much better it is now that they got rid of Reinharz. She'd pick up alot of Law Guardian votes in her district that way - !!!!!!!!!! Especially since there's already a seminar scheduled in April. Don't let these people get an audience.

[Django Reinharz]

In his seminal work on juvenile delinquency, Killer Kids, Mr. Reinharz's comments about genetic predisposition to crime was directed towards an Italian American child. Other passages in his book appear to stereotype ethnic children, including his unfunny use of ebonics in some passages, but the biggest slap is to the Italian-American.

Maybe County Executive Thomas Suozzi and Mr. Reinharz should have a private discussion about this book, as should every judge and office holder in Nassau County. Mr. Suozzi appears to be held hostage by Lorna Goodman and her apparently never ending bags of money. Suozzi is too much of a p*ssy whip to take charge in the County, even if this will ultimately cost him his political career.

[NassauPolitico1]

Being a former Dem running as a Republican, or visa-versa, by itself, doesn't win you votes. The party you switch into will typically embrace you and fall over themselves to give you the nomination, bumping you ahead of all the long-time party workers waiting their turn to run because the party switch is newsworthy.

The plus for Martha as a party-switcher:
1) Party switchers often have a faction of their old party that supports them and is fed up with the party for failing to do so (a minority of the party, but could be enough to swing the election in a competitive district)
2) Nominating party-switchers has worked pretty well in Nassau (McCarthy, Scannell, Mejias, Ford)

The minuses for Martha as a party-switcher:
1) Regarding #1 above, based on the other posts on this site, it seems Martha was an outspoken liberal movement Democrat, not a non-ideological politico like Scannell or Mejias or Macagnone. If that faction of Democrats are her supporters...the ones who think the Democrats need to stop being so Republican...they would tremble at the thought of actually voting for a Republican. If she were from another faction of the Dem Party, #1 would be less in doubt.
2) Regarding #2 above, McCarthy and Ford had husbands who died tragic deaths, and were running against opponents who ran campaigns that my dog could have done a better job of running. Scannell was elected in 1999 when Republicans had just bankrupted the county, and there was a massive voter revolt against the party he had just switched out of. Martha doesn't have either of those things going for her this year.
3) Republicans may not be too enthusiastic about somebody who was just a Democrat until a few months ago, especially a liberal pro-choice activist Democrat. Long time party regulars who have been working for the party for years and waiting their turn to run may be peeved that this "new kid on the block" who was just running against them as recently as two years ago gets to cut ahead of all of them on the line. McCarthy and Ford were regular citizens, political novices who had never run for anything before and felt this sudden "call to action" after becoming so fed up with the incumbent...maybe it was BS maybe not, but that's noble and voters go for that. Martha, on the other hand, is a long time Democratic politician who wanted to run again and was pissed her party wouldn't nominate her...if you read the Newsday article she essentially states that the Democratic Party had blackballed and oustricized her and that's why she changed parties (she cites a fundraiser she attended where nobody talked to her, Headquarters' failure to lift a finger to help her in her '03 town clerk race, and accuses JJ and TS of retaliating against her for supporting DiNapoli in the '01 primary...conspicuously absent are any substantive criticisms of what the Democratic Party stands for, what they've done or failed to do for the county, or how any of the positions Yatauro has taken have actually been wrong). Voters don't go for sour grapes revenge candidates, and Martha could turn out more a Betsy McCaughey-Ross than a Carolyn McCarthy.

I say it's pretty much a wash. Don't think Martha's former Democratic status helps or hurts her much. It will be a competitive race because its a competitive district in a Legislature where majority control hinges on one seat, not because Martha's a former Dem. What do you guys think?

[OBY]

I agree almost 100%. I feel absent any massive voter revolt, Yatauro will be re-elected easily.

[martha votes]

What martha should do is call the nassau academy of law and talk to them about the upcoming juvenile delinquency seminar. They shouldn't let the controversial county attorney's office speak - no body is interested in anything they have to say anyway - and they are always wrong too. She should get someone from red hook community court here to speak about how that court was set-up and how it's working and give suggestions to nassau county about how to accomplish a similar court part here, and a legal aid chief from NYC should also be asked to participate. She can try and get somebody from one of the school districts here to talk about student disciplinary hearings and the patterns they see starting with superintendent suspension hearings and pins kids and ultimate referrals to family court and a person from the district attorney's office to talk about the type of kids they get in criminal court and decisions and factors they look at to keep a kid as a youthful offender or send them down to family court and the reasons behind the differences between prosecuting a criminal case and presenting it as a family court case. It would make a much more interesting and informative presentation for the regulars and the new people would get some good ideas too. Martha would get good exposure working with the family law committee and harriette weinberger - the law guardian and it will help her get votes in her district.

[NassauPolitico1]

Is Martha going to have the Conservative line against Yatauro?

Advise to Diane: If not, get some conservative to run on that line. If yes, get some conservative to circulate an independent nominating petition for a party w/ some right-of-center sounding name. Real Republicans in the district, as I explained previously, may not be too enthused by a liberal pro-choice feminist Democrat who just became a Republican the other day. Nominate a real Republican/conservative to run on some third-party line, and a few hundred of them who might have otherwise voted for Martha as the lesser of two evils will bite.

Advise to Martha: Get someone to circulate independent nominating petitions with a liberal sounding party name, or to run as Working Families if they're not going w/ Diane. Now the conventional wisdom may say "that's insane, she'll turn off even more of the aforementioned 'real Republicans.' But what will they do, vote for the Democrat? It gives Martha's liberal Dem supporters to whom voting Republican is unthinkable a line they can vote for her on. And it can split off a few of Diane's votes from super-left Nader types who think the Democrats have become barely distinguishable from Republicans. (having the Liberal line back in '93 didn't cost Giuliani votes from right-wingers in Staten Island and Queens, just gave people who couldn't stand Dinkins but couldn't bring themselves to vote Republican a way to still vote for him)

[R.I.C.O. should apply]

Chairman Mondello does not care if Martha wins or loses. He just does not want another independant Oyster Bay Republican. Earlier posting had it right, he can deal with the Democrats and continue to collect his share only until the ground swell has enough elected officials and Execs in not just North Hempstead or Oyster Bay, but Nassau County as a whole to toss him out.

Lets drop the pretense of a democratic Republican Party Committee. The Chairman rules, no questions asked. Mondello can demanded at will that an Exec resign or be changed and over rule the entire committee.

Locust Valley, JB step aside I'll pick new Exec., or what was Locust Valley is no longer. Divide it up between neighboring Exec Areas, until they give in to the chairmans dictates.

Oyster Bay, LS retire, here is your letter of resignation thanks for your years of service there's the door.

Bayville, at one point you needed a score card to keep track.

Massapequa, DB nobody asked for your opinion, I'm the new chairman, your out.

Bethpage, take care GY we'll call if we need ya.

East Norwich, RM, I took you out as Town Chairman, I want you to resign as Exec.

In due time Oyster Bay will be run by MDR's (Mondello's Democrat-Republicans)


Next North Hempstead. The insiders account of how a few well connected in the GOP made big bucks by turning the large estates, of a few Republican voting families and their horses, in the Republican Town of North Hempstead into Thousands of newly registered Codo owning Democratic Voters.

[Chopped Liver]

If Offerman doesnt get the C line, she loses big time. and thats the deal folks!

[Latinos, Blacks- all suck]

The Nassau County Attorney's office manager, Peter Reinharz's book killer kids is not just a book against Italian. According to him, all Latino and Black kids are also pre-disposed to criminal actions, drug problems ect. and he thinks that all Latino and Black kids should be locked up until their 18. Watch him try and use this upcoming JD seminar as a pulpit to try and weasel out of his own wretched history. He's a coward - when confronted - he'll wilt and stutter.

[Issue Maven 2]

This was my point in my original post on the topic of the issues. The Conservative Party, absent the existence of the Right To Life Party, which went away after the last gubernatorial election, is the "new R-T-L party", and has for a long time espoused positions on abortion, etc. that were even viewed as being more conservative on the issue than even the R-T-L party itself. Does that party even think once, let alone twice, about nominating a candidate for the County Legislature (in a county with a medical center) who started in politics as a very involved pro-choice activist? And given where the Conservative Party chairman works, isn't this a win-win for him - keeps his boss the County exec happy and the idealogues in his own party happy by nominating a third candidate for the position. With Suozzi on the ballot, with a separate C line candidate, in that district, the GOP may need to look elsewhere to pick up a seat. Esp. as they will have to defend the Long Beach seat, and the Ciotti seat's demographics change daily.

[Paul of Tarsus]

Issue Maven 2 you make a very insightful post. More has to be learned about Offerman. As a former liberal who became conservative sometime after reaching the age of 27, I understand something about human and political growth.

To me, somebody like Offerman sounds like a person for whom "the political is the personal." As a teenager, I often wondered why I got along better with conservative people more than I did "liberals." As an adult, I understand why. As Saint Paul said in his Letter to the Corinthians, "when I was a child, I thought like a child. When I became a man, I left the things of childhood behind." Perhaps Ms. Offerman, in joining the GOP, made some of the same personal revelations that I did. If so, I have no right to condemn her present choice and ambitions.

The fact that Offerman rejected the culture and elitism of the Democratic party means perhaps that she has rethought and rejected many of the pillors of her former belief system. Offerman does strike me as an individualist, and at the core, rugged individualism and a belief in self-reliance is a bedrock of Conservativism, arguably more so than one's position on the legality and permissibility of first trimester abortion.

Martha Offerman also does not strike me as a "politically correct" individual, and may be more at home on the political right. As someone who is far from politically correct or orthodox in anyway, I throughly enjoy individuals like her, who are earthy and may dabble in salty language.

On the other hand, the GOP is a heirarchy, and colorful souls are sometimes met with distrust, particularly by lifelong GOPers who know nothing but conformity. The GOP, and the Nassau GOP in particular, stresses loyalty, power and control over individualistic inclinations. Ms. Offerman might find the culture of the GOP machine mentality stifling and oppressive, even though she understandably rejected the viciousness of the braying jackasses known as the Nassau County Democrats, and their distasteful leadership.

Ms. Offerman needs to clarify her position on the social issues which concern the Conservative Party, particularly abortion. Indeed, the Conservative Party has endorsed candidates who were not exactly firebrands against first trimester abortion. But I cannot see the Conservatives ever supporting a candidate who is for Partial Birth Abortion or Medicaid Funding for abortion. Thus, for me, the jury is still out on Martha Offerman. Being "against taxes" won't be enough for many on the right, particularly in this local election cycle.

[Offy]

Im not winning.

[Please Read Pete's Book]

The Nassau County Attorney's office manager, Peter Reinharz's book killer kids is not just a book against Italian. According to him, all Latino and Black kids are also pre-disposed to criminal actions, drug problems ect. and he thinks that all Latino and Black kids should be locked up until their 18. Watch him try and use this upcoming JD seminar as a pulpit to try and weasel out of his own wretched history. He's a coward - when confronted - he'll wilt and stutter.


Through his numerous writings, Reinharz advocates "long term incarcerations" for young people, even minor offenders. In his book, Mr. Reinharz expressed a position that since most men "age out of crime by age thirty," he wants them jailed at least until then. Impliedly, Mr. Reinharz is a biological determinist who believes that with the decline of male testosterone levels after thirty, that violent behavior will decline.

Paul of Tarsus:

You became more conservative some time "after the age of 27." Martha's over 60, and was a liberal Democratic activist all through her 40s and 50s. By her age, it would seem to me you've been out in the real world for decades, had the life experiences, met the people you learn new things from, made the money you don't want taxed at a higher rate, etc...all those things that cause people to change their political philosophy.

I'm guessing your political evolution was somewhat gradual...you didn't just wake up one morning and decide "I was a liberal last night, now I'm a conservative." Martha just announced her party switch in the last couple weeks. While she had been on the outs with TS and JJ and the Democratic Party organization for a few years, there was never any indication of any kind of flirtation with the right (TS is the one doing that). If anything, she was in the more liberal wing of the Democratic Party who felt the party wasn't doing enough to elect "real Democrats" (like herself in 2003).

Furthermore, as a newly minted Republican, there is no indication that she has changed her views on any substantive issues. She's merely become fed up with the people who run the Nassau County Democratic Party and how badly they've treated her. (Again her party switch took place within the last couple weeks!) Read the Newsday article (go to google, click on news, type in "martha offerman" and a couple articles will pop right up)--as I said before, her basis for switching includes supposed retaliation against her for backing DiNapoli (more liberal than Suozzi) in the '01 primary, the party coordinated campaign's failure to assist her in her '03 clerk race, and being snubbed at a fundraiser.

Abortion, an issue your post and the previous one bring up, is not like taxes, or Medicaid funding, or proposals to sell county buildings...where you can see the facts, see the numbers, and modify your position as the situation changes. Abortion's a moral issue--you think its morally wrong or you think a woman's right to choose is a moral imperative. I find it highly unlikely that a pro-chioce activist like Martha who would most likely be opposed to even the "Partial Birth" Abortion ban or a parental notification law will, in a matter of months, turn into a pro-lifer who opposes even first-trimester abortions with a possible exception for when the mother's life is in danger.

You became disillusioned. Martha's become disgrunted. There's a difference.

[I don't get this]

Didn't Martha Offerman serve on the Board of Directors of the Nassau County Civil Liberties Union, the local branch of the ACLU? This puts her in with liberlas such as Jon Kaiman, May Newberger, and Tom Di Napoli, who also have official titles with that entity. If Ms. Offerman is an unrepentent liberal, this does place her at odds with Republican-Conservative philosophy. Again, Ms. Offerman's feud is with Suozzi, who while being a rank political opportunist with no apparent genuine ideological core or belief system other than short term political gain, can be comfortable stating that he is to the right of Tom Di Napoli. Some 'splaining will have to be made by Ms. Offerman if she is to convince people that she has genuinely moved to the right, and is not just merely angry at Suozzi and Jay Jacobs for being snubbed at some political fundraiser.

[No trust]

Oh stop it ,Offerman doesn't have to explain we all know it is and always be about Jay not backing her. Hey even Bonnie has a job working for Suozzi.

[A Purely Jewish State]

biological determinist - yes, that's a good phrase for him. He thinks only purely jewish kids have a right to live in society. The rest, according to him, are guilty by birth. He does seem to believe in a pure state. And Suozzi hired him. Is it any wonder Offerman is embarassed to be part of that administration? She doesn't have to prove she's moved her belief system in order to support the Republicans. It's not simply a matter of idealogy anymore. It's a matter of survival and it's an entire life cycle. Suozzi, by his choices of leadership, has shown that he support dangerous people - dangerous and troublesome for the people of Nassau County. Offerman sees this and can't support it - can't any longer be a part of it.

[I object to this post]

Biological determinism and eugenics based pseudo-science resulted in the murder of 13 millions Jews and Slavs in Eastern Europe. For an author - particularly one of the Jewish faith - to imply that crime can be caused by genetic predisposition is a crime in and of itself. Pete made this implication in his book. I have strong reservations about someone who made such a claim working in a politically sensitive position. But alas, Tom Suozzi rewards bad judgment and mediocrity.

[religious freedom]

Have any of you pundits been to any of the Mosques spreading over the Island? Ever listen to what their preaching to their flock?

[abu]

You can only listen if you speak arabic. and I don't think you do, so why don't you make something up about what they are saying.

[abu]

You can only listen if you speak arabic. and I don't think you do, so why don't you make something up about what they are saying.

[Mosque]

Tom Suozzi didn't hire any religious Mosque Icons and put him in a position to further county policy and influence the hiring, firing and development of subordinates. He did put Peter Reinharz in that position. That's the disgust of the posters on the board.

[ubu2]

you abu seem to know they speak Arabic

so what do they say in Arabic abu :?:

[County attorney]

Look, the bottom line is that the county attorney has become an elitest group of pigs that are either wealthy democratic contributors or completely devoid of any morals whatsover. These are the type of people who steal a $100,000 from their own parents, use their own children as pawns and conveniently change positions as the wind blows while making TV commercials for fat people.

[offer knows]

offerman knows the taxpayers cant afford 4 more years of suozzi. anybody could have balanced the books by raising taxes as high as they did and cutting services as drastically as they did. offerman lives here, unlike most of suozzi's appointees, and she sees how unaffordable nassau has become over the last 3 years for middle class families and sees how the quality of life has taken a nosedive.

[second careers]

they all have second careers - that's what they do in their offices on their cell phones all day. its sure not county work they're doing.

[posting]

they spend their day posting on this website

[NassauPolitico1]

Re the post by "offer knows":

"offerman knows the taxpayers cant afford 4 more years of suozzi."---OK, so why doesn't she go work for the Greg Peterson campaign? Why take the energy that could be used helping beat Suozzi and put it into another campaign? Why raise all that money that could be donated to Peterson? We're not in a parliamentary system...Suozzi winning and Diane losing are not mutually exclusive. Oh yeah...why did Martha try to run for TOB supervisor as a Democrat, Suozzi's party!, and only go running to the GOP after they refused to nominate her. Give me a break! Regardless of how you feel about Suozzi, this is not about Martha trying to save the county, its about Martha wanting to be in office and needing a party to nominate her. And when Martha loses to Diane, wants to run for something again in '06 or '07, and gets told to take a hike by Mondello, what party will she run to then?

"anybody could have balanced the books by raising taxes as high as they did and cutting services as drastically as they did"---OK, so why didn't Gulotta do that? Sucks, but better than the county going bankrupt...what happens to services and taxes then? If its so easy, why didn't Gulotta do it and be the hero who rescued Nassau's finances?

[Here's Because]

First of all get it straight. The county wasn't bankrupt. The county would have raised taxes if it had to before that happened but Gulotta cared more about the middle class then Suozzi did and saw tax increases as a last resort. It was the first thing Suozzi did. It's nice to see you haven't been effected by it. Maybe you're a trust fund baby like Suozzi was. The last thing Gulotta did before leaving office was force all of his appointed workers, and they had been with the county some of them for decades by then, to take pay cuts. Suozzi has increased his appointed workers 50% in 2 years, giving them a $16 million payroll, and 5 - 20% pay increases in the same amount of time, plus 200 of them live in NYC. Moreover, what do you care about what Gulotta did or didn't do? It's Suozzi record of failure you should be looking at. With all the raises and increases - what has he accomplished? Nothing. Absolutely not a thing. That's all he did. All. Greg Peterson is running one of Long Island's top 5 largest law firms and is successfully practising law and making huge profits for his business. He just as successfully ran the Town of Hempstead for 5 years, holding the line on taxes, providing excellent services and trimmed the fat and the patronage by consolidating two departments and eliminating two others when he took office. Gulotta is not running for County Executive. Suozzi is fighting for another year, so he can leave in 2006 and run for Governor. Greg Peterson is interested only in one thing. Nassau County and the welfare of the taxpayers who live here. He doesn't want them taxed out of town. He want's to make it affordable to live here again.

[county work]

What work? There's not enough county work to go around. The laborers are disgusted. Management sits around all day making up great tales of war stories, pretending like they earned the jobs they got, imagining themselves as emperors on a throne. If they all had to swear to hourly time sheets and show what work they've done in a day, 3/4 of them could be terminated and Suozzi could start talking about tax refunds!

[NassauPolitico1]

The County was not literally bankrupt, true, just on the verge of it. You say it would have raised taxes before that happened...well that's what Suozzi did. He had to. It's a classic Republican tactic: leave a gaping deficit to your Democratic predecessor that he has to raise taxes to eliminate, then attack him for raising everyone's taxes. Since Suozzi took office, the county workforce has been reduced...maybe not by enough, but pretty substantially. As for the patronage jobs that remain, yes, he's appointed his friends and supporters to them.

Your right, Gulotta's not on the ballot, Suozzi is. Suozzi's failed record of failure you refer to:
1) Turning a huge deficit into a balanced budget during his first two years in office, a time of stalled economic growth and falling tax revenues when local governments, states, and the federal government were doing precisely the opposite, as surpluses that were abundant in the late 90's faded into deficits.
2) Getting the bond rating upgraded to a healthy status from one level above junk bonds (oh, and Suozzi doesn't control the bond rating agencies...if anything, most of those guys are Republicans.)

Quite a contrast from the fiscal crisis under his predecessor. How a county that's that property wealthy and has taxes that are that high to begin with can have a fiscal crisis is amazes me. And this during the late 90s, a time when just about every other city, county, and state government in the country was boasting record surpluses...even the federal government had balanced its budget for the first time in decades!

As for Peterson's successful business as a lawyer. Yup, I'm sure political connections had nothing to do with how he got to be a partner in that firm (the same one where Mondello's on the payroll). I'm sure it was an up by the bootstraps story where he rented a one-man storefront office and turned it into one of the county's top 5 firms, right? Oh yeah, and by the way, how much of that firm's money comes from court appointed jobs reserved for the politically connected?

[You are rightk]

There's no defending them. The GOP is just as bad as Tom Suozzi. So now what? It's one or the other - unfortunately.

[Can you Help Me?]

What are you trying to say?

[Who Is Marc Herbst]

Who Is Marc Herbst ?

[Problem is you are not supposed to circulate and sign Nominating Petitions for Town of Oyster Bay and Nassau County Candidates when you live in Town of Islip and Suffolk County.]

sorry, nothing wrong with that. As long as you are registered in the party that you are circulating petitions for you can live and carry petitions any place in the state.

Why don't you post Steve's address in Islip so this "tip" can be verified.

Marc Herbst is the former Republican Assemblyman from Hicksville. In the 2000 redistricting, Silver and Co. eliminated his district and where he lived was merged into Donna Ferrara's district. It was either have two incumbents run a primary against each other or pick one, so the Republican Party picked Donna. Herbst now has some low level patronage job with the state, I believe.

The person being referred to in the "punch line" paragraph of the riddle is Steve Labriola, the Oyster Bay Town Clerk who beat Martha Offerman in 2003.

Not sure what the deal is with this house in Islip, or what the deal is with Mondello having his sites set on him. Perhaps the poster could elaborate on what the deal is there? Is Steve running for re-election as Town Clerk? If so and if he lives in Suffolk, nevermind that you're not supposed to carry petitions in a town or county where you don't live...he's RUNNING FOR OFFICE is a town where he doesn't live, the petition-carrying part is the least of his concerns.

FYI: If you're a notary, you can circulate petitions anywhere in the state for any candidate of any party. Otherwise, you can only circulate petitions for candidates you'd actually be eligible to vote for in that primary should there be one (i.e. enrolled member of that party and live in the geographic that the candidate seeks to represent).

[Most interesting]

So the Jim Herbst working for the county attorney now couldn't be a Mark Herbst protegy then huh? Wrong patronage team. Unless

[Working A Deal]

Maybe Suozzi is working a deal with young republicans on the outside of the Mondello/Gulotta inner circle? Some switched to Conservative others voted for and helped Suozzi last time. Maybe they're still so sick of the arrogant bastards all sticking together and not letting anyone else get a chance Suozzi is one by one bringing them over.

[Get A Life Deal Person]

The Mondello/Gulotta inner circle? Mondello and Gulotta were rivals who often clashed. How can two guys who were at odds with each other have an identical "inner circle." This makes no sense. Please lay off the pipe.

Part of the reason why the GOP lost control of the County must be blamed upon the fissure between the Gulotta and Mondello loyalits becoming too pronounced.

Suozzi would only "reach out" to an individual if he felt that a particular individual was crucial to an immediate short term political goal. Suozzi is not a one on one politician, although he can be highly persuasive in an individual or group setting. Suozzi's strong point is his indefatigable campaigning, and his attempts to appeal on a mass level. Suozzi is not interested in some straggler "young Republicans," unless they had something considerable to offer.

[martha offerman]

I want all to know that I have contacted the Nassau Academy of Law inquiring about their seminar on juvenile deliquency. Unfortunately I will be away on April 5 when it is being held. I will however get their taped version for future use. I have a great interest in the Community Justice centers that are available in other venues. My first cousin Alex Calabrese is the Judge at Red Hook Community Justice Center and I have seen how much it helps families in trouble. Please remember I went through difficult problems with one of my own children. Two of my children went to college on academic scholorships , made deans list and graduated with distinction, my third was a drug addict for many years,even though they were raised the same. This has given me great empathy for parents with troublesome kids. There is hope for these children and their families and I have spoken to Mr Mondello about my desire for a Community Center for Justice when I was making my decision to change partys. I will not change my position on the Right to Choose, because I feel it is a personal issue and no government should interfere with a womans right to make medical decisions. I am fiscally conservative and believe in paying as you go. I made my decision to switch parties because I truly believe and have seen the Suozzi Government as detrimental to the fiscal and moral health of Nassau Coounty. I have years of experience in knowing how to run a governmental department, have been Secretary to the Oyster Bay Town Board and sat thru numerous hearings. I know the systems for RFP's for hiring civil service workers, and most important my Office of Town Clerk began to make a profit by my third year in office. I feel myself and Greg Peterson will bring our years of personal and business sucess to a County who is sorely in need of our expertise.

Really, Martha? You made your "decision to switch parties because I truly believe and have seen the Suozzi Government as detrimental to the fiscal and moral health of Nassau Coounty"?
So you never wanted the Democratic nomination to run for Town Supervisor, that was just made up out of thin air? You didn't attend a Democratic fundraiser last month? What exactly has the Suozzi Administration done in the last 5 weeks that was so radically different from what they've been doing for 3 years that you were supportive enough of the Democrats be going to their fundraisers last month and were a Republican a few weeks later?
Or were you just hoping to get the Democrats to nominate you for something, then switched parties when you realized the Republicans would do that?

Hey, Martha, I'm thinking of starting a third-party. Will you be my candidate if they're not nice to you at the next Republican fundraiser?

Really, Martha? You made your "decision to switch parties because I truly believe and have seen the Suozzi Government as detrimental to the fiscal and moral health of Nassau Coounty"?
So you never wanted the Democratic nomination to run for Town Supervisor, that was just made up out of thin air? You didn't attend a Democratic fundraiser last month? What exactly has the Suozzi Administration done in the last 5 weeks that was so radically different from what they've been doing for 3 years that you were supportive enough of the Democrats be going to their fundraisers last month and were a Republican a few weeks later?
Or were you just hoping to get the Democrats to nominate you for something, then switched parties when you realized the Republicans would do that?

Hey, Martha, I'm thinking of starting a third-party. Will you be my candidate if they're not nice to you at the next Republican fundraiser?

Martha went a Oyster Bay fundraiser thinking it was being run by the real leaders not the paper puppets Jay installed as the Town Leaders. But the AD and Zone leaders have always supported Martha in her bid for supervisor until Jay strong-armed them. They even went as far and held-up the starting employment date of a leaders kid to force her to vote for Alex.

Like many Dems in OB, wants to be involved in good government and have found it impossible under the current leadership. Luckly the reps have allowed her to continue.

Although I do disagree with the person she has decided to run against, I understand her defection. Its sad that a good legislator has to be her target because of the recklessness of our party leaders.

[Welcome Martha]

Your interest in the community and especially children's rights makes you a welcome addition to any political club and I hope you get elected so you can help make a difference with the way things are being run now.

[Just a note of interest]

Martha - You might find the info on the other website of interest too.

[what campaign position]

Where is she on the campaign rooster?

Maybe Martha's new friends would like to know what she had been saying about them for the past few years. She's as two-faced as anyone she complains about. So-long Martha, back to obscurity for you.

Really, Martha? You made your "decision to switch parties because I truly believe and have seen the Suozzi Government as detrimental to the fiscal and moral health of Nassau Coounty"?
So you never wanted the Democratic nomination to run for Town Supervisor, that was just made up out of thin air? You didn't attend a Democratic fundraiser last month? What exactly has the Suozzi Administration done in the last 5 weeks that was so radically different from what they've been doing for 3 years that you were supportive enough of the Democrats be going to their fundraisers last month and were a Republican a few weeks later?
Or were you just hoping to get the Democrats to nominate you for something, then switched parties when you realized the Republicans would do that?

Hey, Martha, I'm thinking of starting a third-party. Will you be my candidate if they're not nice to you at the next Republican fundraiser?

[Martha My Dear]

Sing:

Martha My Dear,
when u get creamed by Ms. Yaturo!

Remember when, Matha My Dear

[Whatever Dude]

All politicians switch opinions faster than a bird on a skateboard. Sometimes they just smarten up and can't take the nonsense they see going on in the inside. They just either drop out and join the private sector or try the other side until they get fed up there too. Neither party is pure and no politician is selfless. That's life.

[Yatouro]

Sing:

Martha My Dear,
when u get creamed by Ms. Yaturo!

Remember when, Matha My Dear

The only place Yatouro can get sign's put up and it is only June, so she must be shaking in her stiletto's is on the front lawn of a slum lords hosue on Glen Cove Ave. in Sea Cliff, just up the road from the workers station, and the ESL Institute. Ther are 3 words for Yatouro; UR History; perhapes she would like to switch parties like Ms.Rice and come over from the Dark Side.

Dianne put on your running shoes and pull them down, but sorry photo's of your signs with the 15 car's in the drivway and mutible tenents have already been taken. What a transparent world we live in.

[Martha O]

Diane will win. Trust me.

[longhaul]

Diane wins hands down, no body and even her party like her. go back being a bunnyess.

[DONNA F.G.]

RE: MY TOWN CLERK ( I LIVE IN SYOSSET...ha ha ha na na)

ARE YOU SPEAKING OF STEVE L. THE MASSAPEQUA GOP COMMITTEEMAN WHO LIVED IN THE TOWN OF ISLIP, SUFFOLK COUNTY UNTILL MOVED BACK TO MASSAPEQUA TO RUN FOR ASSEMBLY, BUT STILL CLAIMS HE NEVER LEFT MASSAPEQUA BECAUSE HE WAS A COMMITTEEMAN AND CIRCULATED PETITIONS AND HAD A TOWN JOB AND HAD TO LIVE IN TOBAY.......

SEE YOU GUYS IN TEN YEARS WHEN I WANT A JUDGESHIP....DF

[Of Interest]

Martha - You might find the info on the other website of interest too.


Yeah - there's a happening family court thread popping on 516 politics and funnily it's one of the few threads that didn't get deleted when that hacker dude hacked in.

[What you get now]

There's alot of assertions that I'm reading on this website that this guy is nothing but a racist, believing that all Italian, Black & Latino kids are basically no good because they are genetically predetermined to commit crimes and that he thinks they should just all be locked away until they're 35. So I did a google search and found this review of the book.
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"Manhattan prosecutor Peer Reinharz,’ Killer Kids, Bad Law: Tales of the Juvenile Court System (1996), typifies a genre of books that describes some youth who commit crimes, especially those who appear to be unrepentant and defiant. Reinharz’ analysis of why they commit such serious crimes is surprisingly superficial." NICYF, 2002.
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Fortunately, this guy isn't taken seriously in the legal community, or any community quite frankly, but it goes a long way to showing ye another reason of the type of people Suozzi supports and why it's so important to vote Suozzi out of office in November 2005.



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Not surprising
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:11 pm



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It's not surprising that it's superficial. If you talk to the guy he's very tempermental - talks loud, talks fast, gets mad quickly - and if you actually know what you are doing - you will find that he doesn't. Neither do the people he supports and that's why he likes them. Did you see that Dilbert Cartoon in Newsday that's been going around the email as a spoof on the Suozzi administration as being a perfect replica? It's the pointy hair guy telling the cat he needs an Assistant Manager - but he wants one just slightly worse then he is so he doesn't have to worry about being found out or replaced. The cat hires a retard who is sitting there how he can PRETEND to speak 5 languages! Now THAT's what Suozzi hired ! And he created this Office Managing Attorney for this Bozo from Queens besides!

A broken heart. Poor Al.

[Suozzi hires Martha]

To run the juvenile court like her Uncle does in Red Hook.