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CitizenX
02-06-2005, 11:22 PM
Maybe someone can shed some light on this whole "closing down cars" fiasco.

From my point of view, I see the commissioner and CE stating that this isn't a money saving move. They have stated multiple times that they are shifting resources from the "dead" night shift, to the "active" evening shift. The Commissioner even likened it to operating a "Deli" (I would have hoped that the commissioner would take his job of running a very large and expensive police department a bit more seriously than that of a tuna-salad maker, but so be it). Running a government agency like a business sounds like a good move to me...

The Cops say that by closing down cars during this slow period exposes the public and officers to greater risk. They further state that this is simply a money saver by the county, as no additional staffing is done during busier times.

My Qustions:

1) Are more cars or cops being sent out during whatever the busier times are? I can see shifting resources, if we are getting "flooded" during busy times. If my community is simply losing coverage with no replacement (as some cops have alluded to), that's a different story.

2) How are the public/cops at additional risk during midnights with the shutting down of 2 cars? At 3 in the morning, there isn't any traffic...can't you go from point a to point b faster? Also, if it's busy in, say Huntington but slow in Port Jefferson, can't cars be taken from there for the night?

3) I don't know what the actual numbers are (and I don't know if you want to post them on a public board), but can any cops give me a percentage of what cars are around overnight (with the shut down) compared to those during the day? Two cars doesn't sound like alot...is that 5% less, 2% or 50%? Your PBA president also told News12 that other (specialized) cars are around during the day...do they also respond to 9-1-1 calls?

4) If this is an attempt by the county to save money, and no extra cars are being sent out during busy times, how is the county actually saving money? The cops that used to drive these cars weren't fired, were they? I don't see what they are doing now. Were they given another assignment? Not sure how this works.

Sorry to post what may be considered a very basic question, but I'm sure that i'm not the only civilian out here who doesn't quite grasp the situation. I don't think that i'd liken our highly trained and well paid police department as a "quiznos sandwich shop" or "Pizza Hut", but I can't argue with trying to run government like a business

02-07-2005, 05:04 AM
1. The idea is to take 2 cars from say 18 that patrol, and move them to the nights were there are 20+ cars, plus COPE units at least 1, up to 7, Unmarked police 1-4, and detectives, unknown amount.
So during the course of a night tour there are over 30 sworn officers on the road. At midnight the number drops to almost half.
2. In addition to the cars already shut down, any actual crime, which lets face it can occur at any time of the day can take up to 4 cars out of service, a pysch committal can take 2 cars out of service for hours. The 2nd shuts 2-3 cars down already, the nicer areas where there are'nt alot of calls. There are areas that are a 10- 15 minutes drive for some adjoining sector cars to reach. So, the cop thats in trouble at one end of one sector could be waiting a long time for help.
3 See 1st answer for the numbers. The specialized units rarely pick up alarms, but will show up on heavy calls, crimes in progress serious accidents things like that.
4 My fear is that the cars switched to night tours is going to be used to pump up the stats. My friend who works in the 6th tells me the supervisors there are actually telling cops to stay off the chart, that is do not answer calls and just write summons. The SCPD have a push to write summons on main roads were accidents occur. Then the commish is going to get up and say'' look how we are enforcing the vehicle laws at these dangerous intersections, we wrote a zillion summons. Meanwhile half are for brakelites, a no-moving summons[/quote]

SCPD PATROL 3
02-07-2005, 10:29 AM
Point 4 is very true. I heard this is an order from HQ, to take the extra guys and do roadblocks to write more summonses. I thought the PC said he wanted quality, not quantity. How many people who would have received warnings will be written summonses? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for enforcement, but I think this will take away officers's discretion, especially if you have less experienced officers doing the roadblock/checkpoint under direct supervision of a Sgt/Lt.

Huntington Binder Fan
02-07-2005, 12:43 PM
A Public hearing will be on this subject. Sponsored by Suffolk County Legislator 16th District Allen Binder. It will be held at the Greenlawn Fire House 23 Boulevard ave Greenlawn on February 10th at 7pm. Police Commissioner Dormer and Police Benevolent Association President Jeff Frayler were invited to attend along with local heads of Fire Departments and Resue Squads and EMT's. :)