I want the truth

[No B.S.]

What's up in the 2nd pct? :roll:

Shut down 2 cars at 12-8, add 2 cars 4-12.
Is the beef about losing 2 coveted night shifts, or is it really about safety?

How many sector cars are there normally during mid - 8, 8- 4, and 4-12?

Do you guys get a differential at night, or work 4 shifts for 5 shifts pay, or both?! :shock:

They work 4 shift, but they work 10 hour tours on mids... So 4 times 10 is 40. They aren't working any less then any other sector car.

My poor old doggy dog got kneee surgery and not herself lately. Thank gawd I still got my pussy to play with :lol:

[SCPD PATROL 3]

One of the biggest issues regarding the shut down of another 2 cars on the midnights (2100-0700) is OFFICER SAFETY. There are no other officers working in any precinct after 2400 . There are COPE, DARE, PCS and Det. units working from 0800-2400. The midnights have no one to assist them within the precinct when the need arrives.

The second issue is PUBLIC SAFETY. Removing 2 officers/sector cars from the 2100-0700 tour SHORTCHANGES the affected communities an officer between 2300 and 0700 at a minimum. Patrol coverage SUFFERS as a result of having LESS OFFICERS on the street. Sector sizes are already too large to EFFECTIVELY PATROL. Demographic changes also play a part. (Major gang activity in parts of the 2nd Pct)

Commissioner Dormer and CE Levy apparently could care less regarding the first issue. If you are not aware, 3 officers were injured just after the shutdowns began.

The dynamic duo also don't care about the second issue. oh, they tell the public that response times have not been affected and crime is down. I think those statistics are old (when the 2 cars were up and running). I have also heard that the department (not suprising) may be skewing its crime statistics.

Overall, this is poor police management. Reasoning that, well, they don't get many calls for service as good enough to shut'em down. What about PATROL, which is what PATROL CARS/OFFICERS do? I guess they don't care about PREVENTION OF CRIME. They have no problem with the day shift taking multiple reports for crimes that may have been prevented.

[BeenThereGotHurt]

Everyone knows that Money$ is the key to a politician's success. Make it appear that you are saving money and managing with what you have, and gullabe people will buy it. I worked in a jurisdiction (remaining un-named) which shut down my nearest back-up, and I have a permanent injury to show for the "Money$" that this particular politician used to get re-elected. Just make sure you back your fellow officer up double -time from now on, and let the administrative assignments wait. Someone will get the hint, when law suits arise from secotrs unavailable to do the 10-40 run (prisoner food) or similiar incidents. As for politicians, they will always be politicians..

[Sgt]

Right you are brother ! Also to be taken into consideration is the amount of crime that will not be deterred by the frequent patrol of the affected shut down areas. You will have more Commercial and residential Burglaries, not to mention aot more drunks on the roads. The kicker is that the burglaries will not be found until the day shift when people go to work , so the number of reports being written will increase on the day shifts . This will give the continued illusion that it is much busier on that shift. It is all about the money being saved. The job ( upper Mgt ) really does not give a rat's ass about Officer Safety or the publics getting what they pay for . on an off note :shock: All you dreamers that really and truly believe that by not using any sick days it will increase your chances of going somewhere , dream on ! If they want you , you will get the job whether you use zero or 8 days a year. Coming into work when you have that sinus infection or flu does nothing more than save these blood suckers money . You are making other PO's sick by spreading your germs all over the car. If you are sick , stay home. Let them pay out the OT. Why should you continue to make these unnecessary sacrifices which will benefit you in no way, and not be appreciated ? Back each other up , handle the calls properly and thoroughly , and don't give up hope ( only 3 more years of this loser C.E. and P.C.) be safe my Brothers and Sisters in arms.

[Morons]

Cop morons

[No B.S.]

One of the biggest issues regarding the shut down of another 2 cars on the midnights (2100-0700) is OFFICER SAFETY. There are no other officers working in any precinct after 2400 . There are COPE, DARE, PCS and Det. units working from 0800-2400. The midnights have no one to assist them within the precinct when the need arrives.

The second issue is PUBLIC SAFETY. Removing 2 officers/sector cars from the 2100-0700 tour SHORTCHANGES the affected communities an officer between 2300 and 0700 at a minimum. Patrol coverage SUFFERS as a result of having LESS OFFICERS on the street. Sector sizes are already too large to EFFECTIVELY PATROL. Demographic changes also play a part. (Major gang activity in parts of the 2nd Pct)

Commissioner Dormer and CE Levy apparently could care less regarding the first issue. If you are not aware, 3 officers were injured just after the shutdowns began.

The dynamic duo also don't care about the second issue. oh, they tell the public that response times have not been affected and crime is down. I think those statistics are old (when the 2 cars were up and running). I have also heard that the department (not suprising) may be skewing its crime statistics.

Overall, this is poor police management. Reasoning that, well, they don't get many calls for service as good enough to shut'em down. What about PATROL, which is what PATROL CARS/OFFICERS do? I guess they don't care about PREVENTION OF CRIME. They have no problem with the day shift taking multiple reports for crimes that may have been prevented.

OK I thank you for this explanation. I'm trying not to sound confrontational as I don't want this to degenerate into a cop-bashing thread. But I do have a few questions and comments.

Sometimes I work nights. When driving home I pass through the 2nd pct (not near the huntington station area) and I'm oftentimes followed by a cop because it's anywhere between 1 and 4 am and my car and the cop's car are the only 2 human beings awake at that time. Usually, the cop was parked in a shopping center or firehouse lot until I pass by. Although sometimes I've seen them driving slowly past stores with the searchlight on. But I've also seen them in groups of 2 or 3 marked cars many evenings in a row. It just doesn't seem like there's all that much to do.

I'd always assumed that aside from the special units (Dare, cope) that there always were fewer sector partol cars during the midnights than during the daytime. Is that not correct? Because to me it would make sense considering that most of LI is asleep. I know of no one whose house has ever been robbed overnight. I'm sure for shops and stores it's different, but then again, I've never heard of a store being broken into overnight either.

How many sectors / cars are there in the 2nd pct? What % of a manpower reduction does this shift in manpower constitute?

[sgt]

you've got to be joking right ? commercial burglaries happen all the time ( and predominantly well after 2:00am). While you are home drifting into slumber there is a whole nother breed of human beings ( I use this term loosely ) just getting going. not to mention all the Drunks hitting the streets when the bars close down. The only thing you said that's accurate is that there are less cars on the road. That does not equal less danger to the officers who are working. Quite the contrary ! Definitely a larger percentage of dirtbags out after 0200 hrs. As far as cops parking 2 - 3 abreast , GET OVER IT ! We do not have formation prior to the start of each tour of duty like some departments do to fill in all the Officers of recent crime trends, wanted persons etc , so this is our chance to share information about what is going on . It is also the responsibility of Sgt's to meet up at least once a tour with his Officers to sign their books and pass on paperwork of various types . So no matter which pct you live in you will see from time to time cars side by side. They are not doing "nothing " as you so wrongly assume. I hope I have clarified your very astute observations. Enjoy your slumber , dreamer. :x

[No B.S.]

you've got to be joking right ? commercial burglaries happen all the time ( and predominantly well after 2:00am). While you are home drifting into slumber there is a whole nother breed of human beings ( I use this term loosely ) just getting going. not to mention all the Drunks hitting the streets when the bars close down. The only thing you said that's accurate is that there are less cars on the road. That does not equal less danger to the officers who are working. Quite the contrary ! Definitely a larger percentage of dirtbags out after 0200 hrs. As far as cops parking 2 - 3 abreast , GET OVER IT ! We do not have formation prior to the start of each tour of duty like some departments do to fill in all the Officers of recent crime trends, wanted persons etc , so this is our chance to share information about what is going on . It is also the responsibility of Sgt's to meet up at least once a tour with his Officers to sign their books and pass on paperwork of various types . So no matter which pct you live in you will see from time to time cars side by side. They are not doing "nothing " as you so wrongly assume. I hope I have clarified your very astute observations. Enjoy your slumber , dreamer. :x

No hold on there... like I said I didn't want this to become a cop-bashing thread. I should have also said I didn't want this to become a civilian bashing thread either. I'm aware that the police don't have a "roll-call" as seen on TV. Meeting up with other officers to share information and with Sgt's is probably an essential part of your job.

I'm still not convinced that a pct. needs as many sector cars at night as during the normal waking hours. I'm aware crime can occur anytime of the day or night, but it only seems to make sense to have more officers on "regular" duty when 95% of the population is up and about, and fewer when they're not.

From my observations thus far, it sounds like Levy is simply trying to make a logical deployment alteration not to save money, but to better allocate resourses. And from wht I've been hearing so far, coupled with my own observations, it seems like the objections of the police are not about protecting the public, but 2 of 18 or so coveted, easy "tit" jobs.

I wish there were some way to access accurate crime statistical data, as this would go a long way to helping the public form their own opinion on the matter, rather than relying on press release sound bytes from the County Executive or the Police officers themselves. It appears everyone has an adgenda, and it seems like the customer's (the public you serve) needs are on the back burner.

Then again, we all know what statistics are worth and how they can be manipulated to show desired results. For instance, If the police arrest 1000 DWIs this month, there's a celebration and an award for the great job well done. If there's only 10 arrests, there's a celebration and an award because DWI incidents are down because the effort is paying off and there's fewer drunks on the road.

As you say, there's probably a lot of drunks around when the bars close. My neighbor comes home drunk practically every evening after his after-work night cap. Drunks leave bars all the time, not just 4am. I have to guess it's a lot easier catching them at 2-4am though, since the proportion of drinkers on the road is much greater then. But from a public-safety standpoint, aren't they a greater risk to the public when there are so many more people out & about?

The police state that with 2 less sector cars they're in greater danger. I submit that if the overall effect of this change puts the public in less danger then it's worth it. After all, that's what the police are for, protecting the public, not themselves. Let's face it, certianly a clerk in a 24-hour store is in greater danger at 2 am than 2 pm. Are they getting hazard pay for it?

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I don't know exactly where to begin, so I will try my best to address your points/concerns.

The midnights are already shorted 3 cars in each precinct. Removing 2 more will put the midnights down a real 5 cars. By having fewer cars on the road, our goal of crime prevention and deterrence is NEGATIVELY affected.

Patrol, while in ALL Police related courses is supposed to be the BACKBONE of a police department, is not a "tit detail" COPE/DARE and others are "tit details"...they are NOT answering radio calls for help. They have their agendas and do what they have to do.

Speaking of radio calls and crime statistics, you even pointed out how they can be manipulated. By removing additional cars, what does that say about the department's concern for service to the public. "Hey, we'll get there when we can. You'll just have to wait". That to me is inexcusable!! People are paying good money for a service that they may not be receiving for an hour or so? Not good!! Statistics can be recorded, but incidents that an officer on patrol are NOT RECORDED. You pull up to a guy walking down the street and acknowledge his presence...he believes you have taken down his name and/or physical characteristics...he won't be doing anything tonight. Who knows what you have PREVENTED? That's a HUGE part of patrol, knowing your sector and who comes and goes.

Regarding your statement about the public's needs on the back burner, I'm not sure what you mean. We go to calls and have people walk up to us with a question or complaint, and it is addressed.

Lastly, we do PROTECT both the PUBLIC and OURSELVES! We must go home safely at the end of each tour. Likewise, we do our best to ensure the safety of the people we are sworn to protect. Removing cars JEOPARDIZES all of this. None of us have a crystal ball showing us where and when trouble will happen. We respond to the situation and handle it accordingly.

One last point regarding the removal of 2 midnight units. Aided cases frequently occur overnight and, no knock against the dedicated volunteer FD/Rescues that serve throughout the County, but their response times usually take longer. We are trained EMT's and can administer oxygen and utilize defibrillators should the need arise. Removing officers from the midnights places those residents whose cars are locked up at a higher risk. What good is the equipment when it's in the trunk of a locked up PD?

Please don't take this as civilian bashing...just trying to answer your concerns

[new centurion]

Just shows you how unqualified the PC is to run the dept when he uses a deli clerk to illustrate the need for staffing in the police dept...

[Blue Blooded]

I wish the public would realize that Levy and Dormer are doing nothing but campaigning. Levy duped the public during his campaign by saying he would do something about the police salaries but he knew damn well that it was out of his hands. Levy boasts about making the Police, Immigration Agents but then recants that idea. Now he is manipulating numbers to make it seem that he is reallocating police resources to be more effective. Levy is using US Census figures to say that there are 2000 less people in the Huntington area. We all know how reliable the census is. These numbers do not include illegal aliens and residents of illegal apartments which I'm pretty sure is over 2000. Levy states there are less calls on the midnight tour. This is true but it does not mean that there is less crime. Ask any 2 tour cop how many times they get a report of a burglary, larceny, or crim mis to a veh that occured on the midnight tour. Because the public is usually sleeping during these hours they do not report it until they wake up. Anybody who works in a neighborhood like Wyandanch, C.I., Bellport, Mastic or Gordon Heights know that the drug dealers and users are out all night. Roll arounds are not uncommon and any cop who has ever been in one knows that there is no better feeling than hearing those sirens getting closer. Now Levy wants to put backup officers even further apart. Some user wrote these words " After all, that's what the police are for, protecting the public, not themselves. " You are wrong. I have a duty to come home to my family every night. There is an inherent danger in my job but that does not mean that I foolhardidly risk my life. It is time to realize that this plan is nothing but a bad idea but then again I have yet to see Levy and Dormer come up with a good idea.

[2ndpctpo]

In response to No B.S. I work the "tit" detail midnight shift in the 2nd pct. as you describe it. The one true point you make is that this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue. The public could care less about the safety of the police officers. Let's look at how the elimination of 2 sector cars directly effects the public, in particular, Mr. No B.S.
Mr. NBS is driving home through East Northport at 3:30am as he states he sometimes does. The cop who is checking the shopping center and sometimes follows him in order to see if he may be driving under the influence is not around tonight, that was unit 205 and it has been eliminated. The only other car in East Northport has just been called into Dix Hills(5 miles away) to handle a house alarm. The 2 cars Mr. NBS sometimes observes sitting the side by side are not there tonight. They have just been called into the precinct to transport eight prisoners to court(these 2 units are out of service until 7:00am). Mr. NBS's neighbor just leaves the bar drunk as he does every night, undetected by police because all cars are tied up on calls. Mr. NBS's neighbor makes it home again and on this night he knows Mr. NBS is working late. He breaks into Mr. NBS's house( Yes, although rare, private homes do get broken into at night. ie. 2004 in Greenlawn a husband leaves for work at 5:00am. A construction worker who had been doing work at house knows when husband leaves, and is waiting outside. Husband leaves, worker enters home and rapes woman, while her baby is in crib next to her. Sector car responds within 2min. description of perp is given. Bad guy arrested within 30min. Do you think this woman thinks 16 sector cars are enough ?) and attempts to rape Mr. NBS's wife. Wife calls 911. I'm the closest unit, responding from Cold Spring Harbor. While I'm responding an officer who is rolling around with a drunk who is trying to get his gun calls for an assist. I am the closest unit and Mr. NBS's wife is going to have to wait. The rape call is reassigned to a 4th pct unit who is not familiar with Huntington and does not even have a Hunt. map. All this time the 205 car sits empty at the East Northport FD, which is around the block from where Mr. NBS lives. ...........Get the picture. This is the kind of situation that the reduction of 2 sector cars on the midnights will produce.
The Levy/Dormer administration are using statistics, which are great for the reduction of accidents at certain locations. Statistics mean nothing when trying to predict rapes,violent crimes etc. In 2004 a 2nd pct cop was shot on a quiet day tour, not on Dormer's 3x11 tour, when as his satistics say all the SERIOUS crime occurs...

[Civilian 300]

Are there any deputy sheriff or state trooper units in the 2nd Pct area that can respond to calls when SCPD shuts down the local sector cars?

no, the deps dont really do patrol at night, only the jails. there are 2-3 troopers on the island at any time, the chances they are available for County dispatched 911 calls are slim.

[No B.S.]

To SCPD Patrol3 - OK now you've answered one of my questions, that already there are fewer patrols at night (3) and Levy is shifting another 2. What I can't understand is, if shifting the 3 has already proven a success (which apparently it has ) and another 2 are warranted by the statistics, what's the problem? This sounds like "step 2" in a pilot program.

Fewer cars on the road at night could have a negative impact on crime prevention and deterrence, but wouldn't those cars being added during the heavier-need evening hours have a positive impact? It seems the whole point to here is to reallocate resourses to a time when they're most needed. Surely there's much more to do at 8 pm than 3am.

My comment about the loss of a "tit detail" was a comparison between the average night patrol -vs- evening patrol, not comparing dare or cope to patrol. I just can't believe cops are busier at night than during the evening hours. It sounds like this shift in manpower would equalize that.

I just don't think the police commissioner or Levy would attempt a move like this (which doesn't save or cost anything) as a publicity stunt. Like other have said, other details don't normally respond to radio calls, I'm sure there is a greater need during specific times of day, just as I'm sure there's lesser needs during the overnight hours. It only seems to make sense that they're trying to increase the police presense during times of heavier call volume.

And lastly, thank you for answering and commenting like a respectable adult.

New Centurian - I may know zilch about staffing a police department. I'm just one of the minions who like you, contribute a portion of property taxes to have a degree of police protection. I don't think this makes me an expert and I don't assume that makes me anything other than what I am.

But I do know and understand a concept known as job protectionism. I deal with that a lot. I know human nature enough to know that in every workplace enviroment there are those who are movers and shakers, and those who try to wriggle out of anything they possibly can get away with. Don't tell me the PD is so well staffed with so many upstanding officers that none of them would put their own interests above the public's. To some it is "just a job."

If I owned a deli It would be fully staffed during the lunch and dinner rush, and have fewer employees overnight. I'm sure a 24-hour Home Depot would do the same.

Blue Blooded - Levy is a polititian and one would expect him to campaign. Is the PBA not also compaining when it stands behind the next C.E. it "endorses" as being "tough on crime?" (read: "will pander to the P.D. in exchange for votes and an endorsement.") During his campagin Levy requested that the Legislature not sign off on a new police contract. They did anyway before he was sworn in so yes, it was too late for him do do anything about it then, but it won't be too late for the next contract.

From what I've read about Levy's immigration agent proposal, he was attempting to do what the public wanted him to do in response to the increasing influx of illegal immigrants. Isn't that a good thing? It seems like his first proposal has failed, but the alternative of having access to a database and INS agents is still better than doing nothing.

I understand you've a duty to yourself and your family. I understand that having 20 officers in a sector is probably better than having 16 or 18. But I also understand that there are far fewer calls at night than during the day or evening, and if reallocating manpower to those heavier needed time slots better serves the overall public and makes sense in the big picture, then what is the right thing to do? Whose needs or wants should be put first, the public's, or the officer's?

2ndPctPo-

I disagree that the public could care less about officer safety.
Thank you for that comprehensive illustration of what could happen. I'm more concerned about what does happen. If there's 2x as many calls during the evening shift than the midnight shift, I can't see how it's justified to have only 2 fewer cars during midnights than in the evenings.

[New Centurion]

...I'm more concerned about what does happen. If there's 2x as many calls during the evening shift than the midnight shift, I can't see how it's justified to have only 2 fewer cars during midnights than in the evenings.


The problem with police work re:staffing, is that it IS all about what might happen

[Ditto Head]

First of all, we get paid for what might happen. Have you ever been in need of immediate police assistance? I know plenty of aided cases, stabbings in bars, rape victims, fights, domestics, MVA's, fatal MVA's and all the sundry things that happen on the mids. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't, won't or didn't happen.
Second, Little Stevie and his Lap Dog have lied to you. They are NOT shifting patrol units to the evenings from the mids. They are just shutting down sectors on the mids. They haven't added ANY cars to the evenings. What crime stats are they talking about? Since this is a program that these two morons just started, how can it have affected the crime stats so quickly? Hasn't crime been going down steadily for years all over the U.S.? Does this have more with Little Stevie's poor management of the police resources at his disposal over the YEAR he's been in office or does it have to more with the INCREASE in police presence on the streets? The answer is obvious. Seve Levy has lied to YOU!!! He is trying to take credit for the hard work and dedication of the police. He feels he can do this since he's been a politician his entire adult life and never had a real job.
Finally, what makes the Lap Dog think he can run a police department? Did you know that Sports Plus is closing? The management has decided that they are not attracting the "right element" and security is a real concern. Who set up their security? Dormer. Now if he can't run Sports Plus the right way, how can he be expected to run the police district?

The original 2 that shut down werent shifted to nights, just shut down.
In Suffolk county on the midnite shift all together there are about 140-150 officers, to cover from huntington to riverhead. How many people live on your block?How many people live in Suffolk Co?
These staffing levels have remained the same since 1970. With the influx of condos, garden apts, retirement centers,and in nearly every town there are 2-3 sober houses, assisted living houses, wayward youth houses,flop houses, boarding houses and the like. These have the transients and addicts that contribute to the volume of calls.
What should be done is hire more officers. Every year the Co. hires 20-30 less than retire. If you think thats saving you money, you are wrong, instead of a rookie working and getting step 1 pay, you got a guy at step 5 getting double time.

oops, time and 1/2.

[Sgt]

no B.S. is either Levy / Dormer or some other flaming Liberal clone.
He too makes the comparison of being a deli owner or Home Depot owner to what the P.D. is going through. Quite obviously it is great management to shift resources in "normal" jobs to the times of the day when it is most busy. You are missing the point ( or just trying to bust balls) . The Police job ( like F.D. ) is a job that is greatly different from your deli store. I don't recall 500 deli store owners rushing into the World trade center to risk their lives to save strangers. I am positive that MR No BS is a very well educated person by the way he writes , so I have to believe he is just a pot stirrer ( or smoker ). I suggest you deal with him the way you deal with the likes of Chatti Patti. from here on in don't respond to his nonsense. I'm sure he has a "tit job " too.

[No B.S.]

Thank you to all who responded. I agree the PD needs more staffing. I have had 2 occasions where an incident lead to my discovering (form police officers) some very troubling information regarding staffing levels. And I have wondered exactly the same thing as another poster said - since I've lived here (1979) literally hundreds of new homes and apartments and senior housing has gone in, (each one with their own police tax) and yet there are no additional police added to the pct.

no B.S. is either Levy / Dormer or some other flaming Liberal clone.
He too makes the comparison of being a deli owner or Home Depot owner to what the P.D. is going through. Quite obviously it is great management to shift resources in "normal" jobs to the times of the day when it is most busy. You are missing the point ( or just trying to bust balls) . The Police job ( like F.D. ) is a job that is greatly different from your deli store. I don't recall 500 deli store owners rushing into the World trade center to risk their lives to save strangers. I am positive that MR No BS is a very well educated person by the way he writes , so I have to believe he is just a pot stirrer ( or smoker ). I suggest you deal with him the way you deal with the likes of Chatti Patti. from here on in don't respond to his nonsense. I'm sure he has a "tit job " too.

Sgt, I respectfully submit that your assumption is incorrect. I am just trying to figure out what is so objectionable about a manpower shift. I'm behind you 100% on overall staffing levels.

There are many sides to this story. You know both Levy and the PBA are quite adept at the politicing game. I'm trying to cut through all that and get to the heart of the matter.

And, BTW, playing a WTC "sympathy card" in an effort to "win" this was a low blow. Maybe the public buys it (and many aren't anymore, since it's been overplayed to this pathetic degree) While many police were standing around watching, (on overtime) I was one of the actual workers getting his hands dirty in the pit. So don't pull that ultimate sacrificail crap on me, as I was there and know the truth about who was taking risks and who was padding their paychecks and pensions.

I don't recall 500 deli store owners rushing into the World trade center to risk their lives to save strangers
NO BS, you were in the trade centers when they collapsed because you were trying to save people?
So don't pull that ultimate sacrificail crap on me, as I was there and know the truth about who was taking risks and who was padding their paychecks and pensions
Ohh you mean a few days later when it was safe to start the clean up
BIG F'N DIFFERENCE. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Quick tell me when the next murder or bank robbery is going to be so I can be there w/ 15 of my buddies? How about the next missing child?

[sgt]

Yeah , and you were in the buildings rescuing folks when the towers fell. You are a wonderful human being for volunteering to work in the pits at WTC and not get paid for it . A family member of mine was NYPD ( ritired now ) and working that horrible day within 3 miles of the towers . She was sent to an outer perimeter moments before the towers fell . We did not get in touch with her for 3 hours after the towers fell and were literally in tears , fearing the worst. As all cops and Fireman know , When the whole world is rushing away we are the ones going in . That's 24/7 moron , 365 days a year . No only after the fact like you did . Why am I even bothering to respond to you . I see you are now trying to start your intellectual dialogs in the other PD posts , like the Helicopter one. I am begging all readers not to respond further to this jackass. I won't , I promise. So BS , get a life and move on in your pursuit of knowledge elseware.

In 1975, it was established that 21 sector cars are needed in Huntington and that number was decreased to 18 in 1993, according to Tricarico. It was further reduced to 16 in January of this year, he said. "The midnight shift is grossly understaffed and getting worse," Jeff Frayler, president of the PBA, wrote in a letter to Dormer. "Residents in these areas do not want a one-third reduction in their taxes for only having a sector car for two-thirds of the day. They pay for, want and deserve ample police presence with quick response times and sufficient backup when needed
Gee you would think with all the people that have moved out here since 1975, all the traffic going thru the 2nd pct, you'd need more than 16 bodies patrolling the 2nd pct, wouldnt you?
What does the residence of huntington pay a year in police taxes?
You are being grossly short-changed.

[Midnight supervisors]

Quick question. If there are only 16 patrol cars, are there still 4 road supervisors, 1 desk sarge, and 1 LT.? seems like overkill to have 6 bosses for 16 road cops plus the desk. Thats about 750,000 a year in supervisor's salary. Maybe thats where they should save money, although personally if I worked mids in the 2nd I'd want every body possible supervisor or not

[Figures lie]

I wondering where or how I can find out how many new residenses have been built in Huntington township every year. Would the building dept. or the assessor's office have yearly totals of building permits or certificates of occupancies issued? Maybe the county health dept?

[Blue Blooded]

Shooting in Huntington last night. 10-1 (Officers need assistance) called by units at the scene. Every single pct racing to get there. I guess Dormer and Levy were right. There really is no need for those additional sectors because nothing happens on the midnights.

Anyone hurt? SCPD?

[This proves it]

Shooting in Huntington last night. 10-1 (Officers need assistance) called by units at the scene. Every single pct racing to get there. I guess Dormer and Levy were right. There really is no need for those additional sectors because nothing happens on the midnights.

I guess they didn't have much else to do, did they? Kinda proves there's not much to do midnights if one shot fired brings the entire department to one scene.

[Posters In Favor of Union]

Posters in favor of Union Representative Have Been deleted concerning Greenlawn Firehouse meeting :roll:

guess they didn't have much else to do, did they? Kinda proves there's not much to do midnights if one shot fired brings the entire department to one scene
read the post again, there is other information, for the ignorant like yourself, i'll explain.
10-1 (Officers need assistance) called by units at the scene
A 10-1 means every officer in suffolk county stops what he or she is doing until there is a controlled status whereever that call comes from.
A 10-1 means every officer that can respond to the scene goes, even if you are in a different pct. It is a MANDATORY response, meaning if you decide not to go you will be disciplined. Even a different county, no doubt if it is close to the Nassau Border, the ncpd was advised and on standby.
Again people who post without knowing the facts, should just keep quite. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself, nitwit

[garbage in garbage out]

Again people who post without knowing the facts, should just keep quite. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself, nitwit


Then who would be left? Just p.os, who would we be laffing at

[the sarge]

my understanding is one shot , three stabbed , and total mayhem . I don't know what happened but I pray there were multiple 32's. Gotta charge either Dis Con or more preferably Riot 2nd or 1st degree. You have a good 8-10 or more 32's as it should be and then Dormer and Levy ( and no one is mentioning Cassagne , why is that ) won't look so smart . 4th and 1st pct cars will be handling calls in the 2nd all night or the calls will not be handled.

[Dewey M. Fullbright]

4th and 1st pct cars will be handling calls in the 2nd all night...

If additional resources are required in the 2nd, why shouldn't available cops from surrounding precincts assist? Last time I looked the police shield of a Suffolk County police officer did not have a specific precinct number embossed on it.

Come on, lets be real. How often does the sh!t hit the fan on midnights. Please do not cite safety concerns. You're a cop working a job that at times involves confrontations with extreme danger. You knew that before you took the job. Rely on your training, use sound judgement before taking action and you will be fine Officer. If you're afraid of working midnights, contact your police commissioner and request a platoon change...or find a safer line of work.

If additional resources are required in the 2nd, why shouldn't available cops from surrounding precincts assist? Last time I looked the police shield of a Suffolk County police officer did not have a specific precinct number embossed on it.

Who says they didnt start that way as soon as the dispatch came out, I've crossed the border from the 6th into the 4th, 5th and from the 7th into the 6th and 5th and into riverhead. no biggie, happens all the time.

Come on, lets be real. How often does the sh!t hit the fan on midnights. Please do not cite safety concerns. You're a cop working a job that at times involves confrontations with extreme danger. You knew that before you took the job.
Poop doesnt have to hit the fan, just have to turn the fan on. If a normal call requires 2-3 officers out of 14-16 available the safety of the officers and the taxpayers suffers.
Forget the confrontations, whos picking up my 2 year old with febrile seizures while I'm on the other side of the precinct, car 222 from oyster bay?

[This proves it]

guess they didn't have much else to do, did they? Kinda proves there's not much to do midnights if one shot fired brings the entire department to one scene
read the post again, there is other information, for the ignorant like yourself, i'll explain.
10-1 (Officers need assistance) called by units at the scene
A 10-1 means every officer in suffolk county stops what he or she is doing until there is a controlled status whereever that call comes from.

Thank you.


A 10-1 means every officer that can respond to the scene goes, even if you are in a different pct. It is a MANDATORY response, meaning if you decide not to go you will be disciplined. Even a different county, no doubt if it is close to the Nassau Border, the ncpd was advised and on standby.
Again people who post without knowing the facts, should just keep quite. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself, nitwit

You just won't see the forest for the trees. Would an officer from the 6th respond to a 10-1 in the 2nd if he was currently defribilliating at an MVA? Would an officer chasing a suspect with a bag full of loot through a shopping center in the 4th give up the chase and respond to the 2nd? Would an officer in the midst of finalizing a field sobriety test on the arse end of the 3rd let the drunk go to assist?

You said every officer that can respond, must. Those who can't - (the ones who are already engaged in something else) don't.

So something "big" happened at night. That proves nothing. How many officers engaged in NOTHING did assist? A lot.

Only proves that, at night, there's a whole lotta nothing going on.

[This proves it.]

my understanding is one shot , three stabbed , and total mayhem . I don't know what happened but I pray there were multiple 32's. Gotta charge either Dis Con or more preferably Riot 2nd or 1st degree. You have a good 8-10 or more 32's as it should be and then Dormer and Levy ( and no one is mentioning Cassagne , why is that ) won't look so smart . 4th and 1st pct cars will be handling calls in the 2nd all night or the calls will not be handled.

Makes you wonder if some midnight shifter about to lose a nice quiet detail, purposely decided to start gang banging just to prove a point.

"Hey - you loitering migrants drinking those colt 40's and minding your own business! (Who I've passed countless times before as they've been completely tolerable and not worth my attention in the past) Let's break it up and disperse!" Yea you!

Forget the confrontations, whos picking up my 2 year old with febrile seizures while I'm on the other side of the precinct, car 222 from oyster bay?

People live and die everyday. Thats a cruel fact of life.

Besides, just how many medical emergencies does a cop remedy throughout his 20 years OTJ.

I don't want to read a collage of medical emergencies police respond to, I want to see you post the approximate number of medical emergencies a cop remedies in a 20 year career.

I am going to guess between 0 and 1.

[the sarge]

In reply to guest above who says he crossed the border several times , you are missing the point of my comments. We all have picked up calls in adjoining sectors of precincts stuck on some major incident. If the calls get backed way up , and you have cars from all over the place abandoning there own sectors to handle the back flow it is one more example of the importance of every single car. Un fortunately major incidents happen spontaneously . Can't predict when . so when half dozen cars or more are out of service and one of you family members is in need of immediate assistance they may have to wait alot longer for an officer to respond because he is coming from 3 sectors away or maybe even a different precinct . I've said it before it is not just a safety issue for us. The public suffers , which includes our family and friends .

People live and die everyday. Thats a cruel fact of life.

Besides, just how many medical emergencies does a cop remedy throughout his 20 years OTJ.

I don't want to read a collage of medical emergencies police respond to, I want to see you post the approximate number of medical emergencies a cop remedies in a 20 year career.

I am going to guess between 0 and 1.
The passed year 2004 had 2 seperate incidents of stabbing 3 victims. 4 seperate cases of cpr. several mvas with fatalities, the stabbings 1st on the scene worked the scene alone for 2-4 minutes on both. the cprs 1-2 on scene on 3 calls, 3 on scene 1 time. the mvas cant recall. got bloodied on all calls.
Sorry, get out of your fishbowl, we do have medical emergencies, not just the welfare taxi rides to the hospitals.

Makes you wonder if some midnight shifter about to lose a nice quiet detail, purposely decided to start gang banging just to prove a point.

"Hey - you loitering migrants drinking those colt 40's and minding your own business! (Who I've passed countless times before as they've been completely tolerable and not worth my attention in the past) Let's break it up and disperse!" Yea you!
The article is in newsday, son go read. 911 dispatched call

You just won't see the forest for the trees. Would an officer from the 6th respond to a 10-1 in the 2nd if he was currently defribilliating at an MVA? Would an officer chasing a suspect with a bag full of loot through a shopping center in the 4th give up the chase and respond to the 2nd? Would an officer in the midst of finalizing a field sobriety test on the arse end of the 3rd let the drunk go to assist?

You said every officer that can respond, must. Those who can't - (the ones who are already engaged in something else) don't.

So something "big" happened at night. That proves nothing. How many officers engaged in NOTHING did assist? A lot.

Only proves that, at night, there's a whole lotta nothing going on.


Once more in a language more like English so it makes some sort of sense, please

In reply to guest above who says he crossed the border several times , you are missing the point of my comments. We all have picked up calls in adjoining sectors of precincts stuck on some major incident. If the calls get backed way up , and you have cars from all over the place abandoning there own sectors to handle the back flow it is one more example of the importance of every single car. Un fortunately major incidents happen spontaneously . Can't predict when . so when half dozen cars or more are out of service and one of you family members is in need of immediate assistance they may have to wait alot longer for an officer to respond because he is coming from 3 sectors away or maybe even a different precinct . I've said it before it is not just a safety issue for us. The public suffers , which includes our family and friends
Right wasnt answering you it was this know it all
If additional resources are required in the 2nd, why shouldn't available cops from surrounding precincts assist? Last time I looked the police shield of a Suffolk County police officer did not have a specific precinct number embossed on it.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

How many medical emergencies does an officer remedy in his/her career? The correct answer is "we really don't know".

I'm been to numerous aideds, administered oxygen, used the defibrillator( kept 2 people alive unfortunately briefly), bandged wounds, and just gave victims some comfort, psychologically and physically. Obviously I do not know all of the outcomes , but the bottom line is that I DID SOMETHING. The actions I took were done prior to rescue arriving. The same actions are performed every day by my co-workers. "Guest" apparently is way out of the loop as to what police officers do.

Would an officer chasing a suspect with a bag full of loot through a shopping center in the 4th give up the chase and respond to the 2nd
yesWould an officer in the midst of finalizing a field sobriety test on the arse end of the 3rd let the drunk go to assist?

yes
life comes before property or arrests.take the keys to the car, cuuf the guy throw him in the back, Just another piece of paper explaining your actions, no biggie
Fellow officer lifes come before any nonlife threatening calls.
We've had desk officers(rookies) run out the door

You said every officer that can respond, must. Those who can't - (the ones who are already engaged in something else) don't.
Those who are engaged in anything but cpr had better disengage themselves.

People live and die everyday. Thats a cruel fact of life
Nice very compassionate, I'll try to incorporate that into my aided cases. Obviously, you've never been at a real emergency, you'd feel differently. I hope for your sake it remains that way. Once you've got just a marginal emt, in a cop performing BLS on a child, with a 5 minute eta for the Fire/ rescue you'll change your tune.
Hey maybe I'll incorporate that into all my calls People are_____ everyday thats life.

The article is in newsday, son go read. 911 dispatched call


That don't work, the losers debating everything under the sun arent going to look that up, you got to post it here for them on demand.

[skipster]

You just won't see the forest for the trees. Would an officer from the 6th respond to a 10-1 in the 2nd if he was currently defribilliating at an MVA? Would an officer chasing a suspect with a bag full of loot through a shopping center in the 4th give up the chase and respond to the 2nd? Would an officer in the midst of finalizing a field sobriety test on the arse end of the 3rd let the drunk go to assist?

You said every officer that can respond, must. Those who can't - (the ones who are already engaged in something else) don't.

So something "big" happened at night. That proves nothing. How many officers engaged in NOTHING did assist? A lot.


Isnt it great, when some little know nothing tries to tell you what your work policy is?
Let me guess skippy, you want the section of the policy posted, right?

[This Proves it]

Makes you wonder if some midnight shifter about to lose a nice quiet detail, purposely decided to start gang banging just to prove a point.

"Hey - you loitering migrants drinking those colt 40's and minding your own business! (Who I've passed countless times before as they've been completely tolerable and not worth my attention in the past) Let's break it up and disperse!" Yea you!
The article is in newsday, son go read. 911 dispatched call

I did, Spanky. Especially the part that says the incident happened at 8:40 pm.

Kinda blows a hole in the "a lot happens on the midnight shift" thing, dontcha think? :lol:

[This proves it]

Would an officer chasing a suspect with a bag full of loot through a shopping center in the 4th give up the chase and respond to the 2nd
yesWould an officer in the midst of finalizing a field sobriety test on the arse end of the 3rd let the drunk go to assist?

yes
life comes before property or arrests.take the keys to the car, cuuf the guy throw him in the back, Just another piece of paper explaining your actions, no biggie
Fellow officer lifes come before any nonlife threatening calls.
We've had desk officers(rookies) run out the door

Great. What you mean is officer's lives come first. So since every cop East of the SOB is going to assist any cop in distress anyway, what the heck difference does it make if there are 2 fewer coming from the 2nd?

[This proves it]

In reply to guest above who says he crossed the border several times , you are missing the point of my comments. We all have picked up calls in adjoining sectors of precincts stuck on some major incident. If the calls get backed way up , and you have cars from all over the place abandoning there own sectors to handle the back flow it is one more example of the importance of every single car. Un fortunately major incidents happen spontaneously . Can't predict when . so when half dozen cars or more are out of service and one of you family members is in need of immediate assistance they may have to wait alot longer for an officer to respond because he is coming from 3 sectors away or maybe even a different precinct . I've said it before it is not just a safety issue for us. The public suffers , which includes our family and friends .

What you mean is officer's lives come first. So since every cop East of the SOB is going to assist any cop in distress anyway, what the heck difference does it make if there are 2 fewer coming from the 2nd?


Whos covering for the other officers who have to some and help us?

Especially the part that says the incident happened at 8:40
right by the time we got the call, the midnites were in the car 9x7 shift. how many hours do you think this took?
minimum 4

What you mean is officer's lives come first
They do in our book, that's why officer distress call is a 10-1.

This whole matter is yet another reason why the SCPD, and probably NCPD live in fantasy land. The union sends out these frightening leaflets, as though crime is about to explode. Well, to me that suggests that the cops arent doing such a good job in the first place. They earn among the highest police salaries in the country and have the most favorable work rules that any cop anywhere else would give a leg for.

Having said that they would have you believe that:

THE UNION IS THE ONE FACTION THAT SHOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER MANPOWER DEPLOYMENT.

BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The Bottom line is, the PD has a Chain of Command. The higher you are, the more accountablility you have. Period. This is why they get paid the big bucks.

The union on the other hand, has a vested interest in maintaining CONTROL. This is not the same as accountability. The union leaders are not ulitmatly accountable to anyone but their clients, the members.

Much in the same way the union went against Levy about Immigration stuff, knowing that it is utilized in other departments, will lie and talk about warm and fuzzy issues like the poor downtrodden immigrant, when the real issue is wanting MORE COMPENSATION FOR THE ADDITIONAL DUTY.

Dont be bamboozled. These guys are living large and it costs you plenty. The unions mailing is a lie and a sham.

Let the flaming and quoting begin, if you can find your way out of the FH parking lot.

The union on the other hand, has a vested interest in maintaining CONTROL.

If the Suffolk police union tries to maintain control over police department policy in the same manner they attempt to maintain control over PBA cards, they might as well hold a public burning of the US Constitution.

[Blue Blooded]

To the person who writes under the name "this proves it". The incident in Newsday is a completely different one than the shooting that happened at about 4 a.m. The incident in Newsday is referring to the fight involving about 250 youths that happened at about 8:30. The 10-1 was called at about 4 a.m. when a report of a shooting occured on New York Ave. Two completely different episodes. I do not know why Newsday decided to only print the one story. Maybe it is because they are notorious for their anti-police sentiment and a story like that would only tend to support the PBA and the officers' claims that Dormer and Levy's plan is ridiculous. Why don't Levy and Dormer do a ride along for a week in the Huntington area on a midnight so they can see first hand how their plan is doing? Doesn't it make sense to personally see the results of their plan before they deem it a success? Everybody knows that statistics can be manipulated but first hand knowledge can not. So I implore Levy and Dormer to spend one week in Huntington on a midnight to see for themselves how allegedly quiet and safe it is.

[This proves it]

Why would Newsday only print one of the stories? Space considerations? Or maybe for the same reason the "Police Beat" columns don't paint a true picture of every incident in every sector of every pct.

Do you think Newsday is unbiased towards anyone other than the business intrests which spend millions advertizing in their rag?

Do you think Newsday will ever do an expose on how the Harrow's company jacks up it's prices to an unrealistic 200% of "suggested retail" and then has weekly and weekend 50% off sales?

Think Newsday will ever print something that is detrimental to P.C. Richard & Sons?

Newsday is nothing but a pot stirrer. Stirring the pot generates sales.

As for the litany of comments made since my last post, It seem bias is too rampant from all sides to come to any kind of agreement on this issue.

I want to point out I got a cute little flier from the PBA. On top is states (quote) : "The men and women of the Suffolk County Police Department are responsible for protecting the lives and security of the 1.4 million people who live here."

What a spin. Hey guess what? I'm personally responsible for colonizing Venus! I'm not doing a very good job of it, but heck, the responsibility is mine and it sounds damn good, doesn't it?

The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers.

This whole matter is yet another reason why the SCPD, and probably NCPD live in fantasy land. The union sends out these frightening leaflets, as though crime is about to explode. Well, to me that suggests that the cops arent doing such a good job in the first place. They earn among the highest police salaries in the country and have the most favorable work rules that any cop anywhere else would give a leg for.

What's funny is this whole thing affects the taxpayers of the 2nd Pct more than anyone there are 16 patrol cars responsible for protecting and assisting you. The officers that were pulled out of those cars still have a job, on the 9-7 shift. They just dont have a permanent car. That means they do relief driving instead. so when 201 and 202 calls in sick or are on vacation, the officers fill those cars. They still work the overnight, just not in the 2 cars shut down.
If I was the taxpayers in that area, I'd demand a 1/9 rebate for those 2 cars.

Dont be bamboozled. These guys are living large and it costs you plenty. The unions mailing is a lie and a sham
Living large? the 20 year old nextdoor details cars for a living and makes 70 grand.
My retired father works a hospital security job, vouchering parking stubs and makes more than NYPD.

the Suffolk police union tries to maintain control over police department policy in the same manner they attempt to maintain control over PBA cards, they might as well hold a public burning of the US Constitution
yep, you do sound desparate now, no one's buying it.

[the sarge]

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"The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers."

Proved our point jackass. Crime is , or should I say was down because of adequate manpower ( though just barely adequate ). And yes crime rates will go up when you take cops off the streets on the mids. And right again when you say the PBA will be saying we need more cops when the statistics show crime is on the rise . There is not a PD in the world who would not ask for more cops to help protect the public and lower crime. Common sense really but somehow people like you feel that if crime is down that means we should have less cops working the streets. If you want things to stay status quo then manpower has to stay the same or higher, not less.

[This Proves it]

Dont be bamboozled. These guys are living large and it costs you plenty. The unions mailing is a lie and a sham
Living large? the 20 year old nextdoor details cars for a living and makes 70 grand.
My retired father works a hospital security job, vouchering parking stubs and makes more than NYPD.

Unless the 20 year old makes 192 bucks a day and works every day of the year, he's not making 70 grand. He sure as heck isn't making 70 grand working only 182 tours per year, and, if he takes a day off he isn't paid, and his replacement for the day off isn't making time and a half.

[the writer formerly known]

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"The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers."

Proved our point jackass. Crime is , or should I say was down because of adequate manpower ( though just barely adequate ). And yes crime rates will go up when you take cops off the streets on the mids. And right again when you say the PBA will be saying we need more cops when the statistics show crime is on the rise . There is not a PD in the world who would not ask for more cops to help protect the public and lower crime. Common sense really but somehow people like you feel that if crime is down that means we should have less cops working the streets. If you want things to stay status quo then manpower has to stay the same or higher, not less.

Right on

[PD Blue]

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"The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers."

Proved our point jackass. Crime is , or should I say was down because of adequate manpower ( though just barely adequate ). And yes crime rates will go up when you take cops off the streets on the mids. And right again when you say the PBA will be saying we need more cops when the statistics show crime is on the rise . There is not a PD in the world who would not ask for more cops to help protect the public and lower crime. Common sense really but somehow people like you feel that if crime is down that means we should have less cops working the streets. If you want things to stay status quo then manpower has to stay the same or higher, not less.

Right on

10-4

[the writer formerly known]

Quote from "This Proves it "
"The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers."

my response :

You proved our point jackass. :D Crime is , or should I say was down because of adequate manpower ( though just barely adequate ). And yes crime rates will go up when you take cops off the streets on the mids. And right again when you say the PBA will be saying we need more cops when the statistics show crime is on the rise . There is not a PD in the world who would not ask for more cops :? to help protect the public and lower crime. Common sense really, but somehow people like you feel that if crime is down that means we should have less cops working the streets. If you want things to stay status quo then manpower has to stay the same or higher, not less.

[This Proves it]

Quote
"The flier goes on to say: "Through the efforts of this dedicated community, there has been a drop in crime to an all time 14 year low!" Hey I have news for the PBA (or do I?) Crime is down country-wide. Does the PBA toot this horn against itself when crime is up? Heck no - they scream for more dues-paying officers."

Proved our point jackass. Crime is , or should I say was down because of adequate manpower ( though just barely adequate ). And yes crime rates will go up when you take cops off the streets on the mids.

Crime rates go up & down just like the economy goes up and down. You cannot credit the decrease in the crime rate exclusively to the efforts of the police unless you also want to take 100% responsibility for any increase in crime as well.

The fact is, you don't. (Or at least your spokespeople don't.)

The flier is worded to leave the impression on the reader that the only reason the people find themselves alive every morning is because the midnight shift POs were engaged in an all-out war the previous night.

And right again when you say the PBA will be saying we need more cops when the statistics show crime is on the rise . There is not a PD in the world who would not ask for more cops to help protect the public and lower crime. Common sense really but somehow people like you feel that if crime is down that means we should have less cops working the streets. If you want things to stay status quo then manpower has to stay the same or higher, not less.

The PBA will be saying we need more cops regardless of the crime rate, economy, need, cost, or any other conclusion as a result of logical thinking. The PBA will never be found press releasing "Police staffing is adequate." Never has and never will. They've been declaring staff shortages since the 60's. You could double the number of Suffolk cops tomorrow and the PBA will still whine and bellyache about lack of adequate staffing.

The PBA is not accountable to taxpayers or the county. They don't work for the taxpayers or the county. And simply because the PBA represents police officers who also happen to be taxpayers doesn't mean they're advocates for taxpayers by default.

Am I satisfied with the status quo? After thinking about it, my best answer is yes. Basically, we've got a static amount of crime which is being committed. It's going to be committed whether the 2nd has 16 midnight officers or 32 midnight officers. You're not going to cut crime in 1/2 by doubling the # of officers on duty.

When the crap hit the fan in Huntington (either incident) do you think the perps first calculated the number of officers that were likely to be on duty at the moment?

In a perfect world and if it was up to me, I'd increase the number of police in Suffolk County 100%. But then, each one wouldn't be earning a yearly salary and benefit package that is higher than the median FAMILY (2 income earners) income.

[No B.S.]

Yeah , and you were in the buildings rescuing folks when the towers fell. You are a wonderful human being for volunteering to work in the pits at WTC and not get paid for it . A family member of mine was NYPD ( ritired now ) and working that horrible day within 3 miles of the towers . She was sent to an outer perimeter moments before the towers fell . We did not get in touch with her for 3 hours after the towers fell and were literally in tears , fearing the worst. As all cops and Fireman know , When the whole world is rushing away we are the ones going in . That's 24/7 moron , 365 days a year . No only after the fact like you did . Why am I even bothering to respond to you . I see you are now trying to start your intellectual dialogs in the other PD posts , like the Helicopter one. I am begging all readers not to respond further to this jackass. I won't , I promise. So BS , get a life and move on in your pursuit of knowledge elseware.

Now let's get something very clear, Sgt. "When the whole world is running away the police and FF's are rushing in" is a bit of a cheap shot when you consider that the whole purpose of anyone rushing in was to get people out.

And just to open the eyes of those who might buy into the misconception that any cop or fireman ran into a collapsing tower - after the first tower collapse the police and FF's in the other tower were RUSHING OUT TOO.

To put this into perspective as it relates to this thread, there is no tower in Suffolk to collapse. And there were no SCPD officers rescuing anyone on 9/11. Thousands of "civilians" stepped up to the plate that day and for many months afterwards just like thousands of volunteer FD's did as well as volunteers from the police ranks.

I'm not alone in the thoughts that many a civilian has in regard to the sickening use of 9/11 by the uniformed services (and others) as a springboard to financial or political gain.

Am I satisfied with the status quo? After thinking about it, my best answer is yes. Basically, we've got a static amount of crime which is being committed. It's going to be committed whether the 2nd has 16 midnight officers or 32 midnight officers. You're not going to cut crime in 1/2 by doubling the # of officers on duty.

When the crap hit the fan in Huntington (either incident) do you think the perps first calculated the number of officers that were likely to be on duty at the moment?

In a perfect world and if it was up to me, I'd increase the number of police in Suffolk County 100%. But then, each one wouldn't be earning a yearly salary and benefit package that is higher than the median FAMILY (2 income earners) income.
What about non-criminal calls? Aided cases, and the like?
What about deterring crime, instead of documenting it.
What about prowlers ? Or cars driving slowly down blocks, or parked in a bank parking lot. Only 16 officers are not going to deter crime, and I'm sure they will slow down their activity, to prove a point.
There are 100s of officers working in 100s of desk or non patrol oriented jobs. Lets get these ankle weights off our legs and put them to use.

And just to open the eyes of those who might buy into the misconception that any cop or fireman ran into a collapsing tower - after the first tower collapse the police and FF's in the other tower were RUSHING OUT TOO.

To put this into perspective as it relates to this thread, there is no tower in Suffolk to collapse. And there were no SCPD officers rescuing anyone on 9/11
Anyone WHOS radios were working was trying to leave yes.Those who didnt hear...
I personally know 15 officers now in SCPD who were in the towers, either as a officer or fd.

70 grand working only 182 tours per year, and, if he takes a day off he isn't paid, and his replacement for the day off isn't
What job only works only 182 days a year? not SCPD. If you are talking about the 10 hour tours on the midnights, dont forget they work 10 hours a day. not 8.
Unless the 20 year old makes 192 bucks a day and works every day of the year, he's not making 70 grand. He sure as heck isn't making 70 grand working only 182 tours per year, and, if he takes a day off he isn't paid, and his replacement for the day off isn't making time and a half
Ha, he charges 125 and up to detail a car, (up to 300 for a hummer)does 3-6 a day, over the summer, In the spring and summer hes making over 10000 a month, my son was making a 100 a day working for him. Next year I might too.

I think if I could just ask people to stay on topic. It is very easy for non-2nd precinct posters to jump on this board and use this as another cop-bashing board. If you don't live in the 2nd or have concerns over your police staffing, go to the other boards. Its unfair to us trying to talk about a legit town concern.
And its also easy for every Cop to jump all over us with what ifs and the scare tactics, or pretend to actually be concerned over the wellbeing of its taxpayers. But, in this case, it's working.
I'm not a fan of the Police, but they are a needed commodity. The thing no one is mentioning, is that No Cop is losing his job over this. Yes they will be spread thinner, but the TAXPAYERS of the 2nd are the ones who will be shortchanged. I pay good money for my police, I shouldnt have to worry about these things.
And I pay both Levie's and Dormer's salaries, they answer to us, and will do so dearly. I am their boss, without our support, they are nothing.
I have a family, kids and a wife. kids get sick, and not always at convienent times. We dont have a paid Fire rescue service out here. The first person at my house has always been a cop. Not the most comforting thing, but they are trained first responders, with oxygen and a radio to ask for help.
If someone decides to break into my house while I'm on vacation, thats the way it goes. I know cops arent going to be sitting in front of my house for a week.At the same time, the threat of a cop driving down the block will deter some of the dirt out there. So I do go into the precinct and ask for a patrol check. If they cut down on patrol, I'd imagine that wouldnt bode well for patrol checks.
Like any other occupation, there are lazy cops. That sucks, but you would be surprised at the reputation the Suffolk cops have upstate and in other states. All this talk of lazy this and that and overpaid, Suffolks cops are generally known as hard asses, no breaks, Good ole boy types.

[the writer formely known]

Yeah , and you were in the buildings rescuing folks when the towers fell. You are a wonderful human being for volunteering to work in the pits at WTC and not get paid for it . A family member of mine was NYPD ( ritired now ) and working that horrible day within 3 miles of the towers . She was sent to an outer perimeter moments before the towers fell . We did not get in touch with her for 3 hours after the towers fell and were literally in tears , fearing the worst. As all cops and Fireman know , When the whole world is rushing away we are the ones going in . That's 24/7 moron , 365 days a year . No only after the fact like you did . Why am I even bothering to respond to you . I see you are now trying to start your intellectual dialogs in the other PD posts , like the Helicopter one. I am begging all readers not to respond further to this jackass. I won't , I promise. So BS , get a life and move on in your pursuit of knowledge elseware.

Now let's get something very clear, Sgt. "When the whole world is running away the police and FF's are rushing in" is a bit of a cheap shot when you consider that the whole purpose of anyone rushing in was to get people out.

And just to open the eyes of those who might buy into the misconception that any cop or fireman ran into a collapsing tower - after the first tower collapse the police and FF's in the other tower were RUSHING OUT TOO.

To put this into perspective as it relates to this thread, there is no tower in Suffolk to collapse. And there were no SCPD officers rescuing anyone on 9/11. Thousands of "civilians" stepped up to the plate that day and for many months afterwards just like thousands of volunteer FD's did as well as volunteers from the police ranks.

I'm not alone in the thoughts that many a civilian has in regard to the sickening use of 9/11 by the uniformed services (and others) as a springboard to financial or political gain.

NO B.S. is the originator of this thread "I want the truth " . Well you can't handle the truth. it has been answered numerous times , just not the answer you are looking for . You are just plain stupid ! You have some major ax to grind and are obviously anti cop. What a stupid statement " there are no towers in Suffolk County " . You obviously have no clue about Terrorism , none , nada , zilch. Also I did not infer there were SCPD cops rushing into the towers. Any moron could see I was making a statement in general about all cops and firemen being the ones who go in to rescue people in distress. It is what we do !! You are obviously very unhappy human being. Why not just retire ( if you have a job at all ) and move to the middle of nowhere in Montana. i hear it is very nice there and NO B.S. going on at all.-- The sarge

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What job only works only 182 days a year? not SCPD. If you are talking about the 10 hour tours on the midnights, dont forget they work 10 hours a day. not 8.
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School teachers work less (and not 8 hour days either) . For this you pay 3/4's or more of your property taxes . In my case about $4500 for schools. $500 for County PD. Not trying to get off topic, just answering the question !

there are no towers in Suffolk County " . You obviously have no clue about Terrorism
How about any given hospital who's nuclear medicine dept. has enough radiation to contaminate the surrounding community?
How about Brookhaven labs? Who knows what kind of fun toys they have there?
The Oil storage place off nicolls and the LIE? You know where all the white smoke is? Couple quadzillion gallons of flammable oils stored there.
Macarthur, Southampton, sobrieski how many airports are there?
The Lie itself blow that up or just a exit or two and how many people will be hurt during rush hour, plus the delays in getting around for a few years.
I could go on and on, there are hundreds of targets out here that I can think of, just like anyplace USA.But I'm going to stop, just in case I've given someone new ideas for targets.
Anything destroyed, whether a house, car or whatever in a act of terrorism is a successful attack. Anything that disrupts our lives, or makes us worried the least bit, is a win for the bad guys.

When the crap hit the fan in Huntington (either incident) do you think the perps first calculated the number of officers that were likely to be on duty at the moment
No, that was a heat of the moment type crime.
Given the amount of press, if a professional perp wants to, he will use the staffing to his advantage. I.E. calling in a false priority call on the other side of town, knowing the response will give him far more time.

[No B.S.]

This board has turned exactly into what I feared.

If a civilian doesn't agree 100% with the police, they're "anti-cop" or have an axe to grind or are jealous or are pro-crime.

My police taxes are almost 800.00 a year. Not a whole heck of a lot of money for 24 - 7 - 365 police coverage. Fewer cops or patrols = more crime while more police and patrols = less crime.

Gee isn't it plainly obvious the county should simply double the number of police on staff to cut crime? After all, isn't 1600.00 a year such a small price to pay?

Missing from this equation is the reality that property taxes are already way out of line. Every increase under the guise of "improving or maintaining the quality of life, education, etc..." causes more more homeowners who are barely getting by to just give up and sell. What good is having and financing the world's greatest schools, highest paid police, libraries, aquifer, beaches, etc... if voting "yes" forces you out?

Someone suggested redeploying back-office police jobs into the streets. If this is the reaction from the rank & file cops about a simple change in shift deployment, can you imagine the crap we'll hear if someone even suggests that there's too many chiefs and not enough indians?

My police taxes are almost 800.00 a year. Not a whole heck of a lot of money for 24 - 7 - 365 police coverage. Fewer cops or patrols = more crime while more police and patrols = less crime
You are forgetting aproximately 7-800 patrol officers, the rest of the 2000 ish force are specialized units, dont forget the budget for the buildings, fleet,including the durangos and hummers, helicopters, 700$ patrol bikes, quads for beach patrol, boats, gas, water electric, paperwork, phones, uniforms, civilians employees. Thats where the money is going.

[writer formerly known]

This board has turned exactly into what I feared.

If a civilian doesn't agree 100% with the police, they're "anti-cop" or have an axe to grind or are jealous or are pro-crime.

My police taxes are almost 800.00 a year. Not a whole heck of a lot of money for 24 - 7 - 365 police coverage. Fewer cops or patrols = more crime while more police and patrols = less crime.

Gee isn't it plainly obvious the county should simply double the number of police on staff to cut crime? After all, isn't 1600.00 a year such a small price to pay?

Missing from this equation is the reality that property taxes are already way out of line. Every increase under the guise of "improving or maintaining the quality of life, education, etc..." causes more more homeowners who are barely getting by to just give up and sell. What good is having and financing the world's greatest schools, highest paid police, libraries, aquifer, beaches, etc... if voting "yes" forces you out?

Someone suggested redeploying back-office police jobs into the streets. If this is the reaction from the rank & file cops about a simple change in shift deployment, can you imagine the crap we'll hear if someone even suggests that there's too many chiefs and not enough indians?
Once again you end it with a stupid comment . If you have read your own forum you would see there have been several remarks about too many chiefs and suggestions to cut back there. Also $800 for Police , alright but how much then for your school district .Gotta be over $6,000-$8000 . $800 is a bargain.

[No B.S.]

You are forgetting aproximately 7-800 patrol officers, the rest of the 2000 ish force are specialized units, dont forget the budget for the buildings, fleet,including the durangos and hummers, helicopters, 700$ patrol bikes, quads for beach patrol, boats, gas, water electric, paperwork, phones, uniforms, civilians employees. Thats where the money is going.

Shouldn't there be specialized units? I can't see how that's adding to the problem. They gotta have buildings and a fleet. I've never seen a police Durango or Hummer. The helicopters are necessary for airlifting.

Civilian employees probably save money.

[No B.S.]

Once again you end it with a stupid comment . If you have read your own forum you would see there have been several remarks about too many chiefs and suggestions to cut back there. Also $800 for Police , alright but how much then for your school district .Gotta be over $6,000-$8000 . $800 is a bargain.

- I haven't read anything signifigant about cutting back on supervisory overhead. Since you're more "in the know" than I ever could be, why don't you lay out the numbers, ratios, etc for me.

- As for the schools, I'll respond with this: You cannot compare apples with oranges. This is like saying it's OK to pay street lightbulb changers 200 grand a year because your street lighting taxes are so low, compared to library taxes. Waste and inefficiency should be kept in check wherever it appears and to whatever degree it appears.

Obviously school taxes are higher than police taxes. There's over 200 teachers in my school district and many buildings. Compare that with the local patrol sectors within my school district of maybe 6 cops in 6 cars and a station house shared with many other sectors.

I'm not defending schools or the taxes they cost, it's just not germaine to this thread.

So how about it? Is the PD too top heavy?

I'm not defending schools or the taxes they cost, it's just not germaine to this thread.


It's hard not to giggle everytime a message board cop changes the topic or writes stuff that has absolutely no relevance to the discussion

[writer formerly known as]

Anything new in the 2nd after the 10-1 at Charlie Browns ?

With all of the pontificating by the obvious SCPD drumbeaters, they have still denied the undeniable. It is their opinion that the PBA should be the guiding authority when it comes to the deployment of manpower. Ramble on all about the shooting in Huntington, blah blah blah. About preventing crime, blah blah blah.
You really want the public to believe that the commanders would set themselves up and endanger the public? Would they really have you believe there arent enough to go around? I havent seen a cop on my block in a year. You know why? Its called omnipresence. The oldest cop tactic in the book. Look it up.

The PBA is using the fear of the public. When the you-know-what hits the fan in a given area, when there is a shooting or a rape or a burglary, whcih PBA board member is out looking for the perp, or coordinating the investigation, or running anything besides their mouth? When a illegal alien felon kills someone, or robs someone, where will the PBA be? Spend less time telling us what you cant do, and be a bit more pro-active.

THE JOB OF DEPLOYMENT AND ASSIGNMENT BEGINS AND ENDS WITH POLICE SUPERVISORS.

With all of the pontificating by the obvious SCPD drumbeaters, they have still denied the undeniable. It is their opinion that the PBA should be the guiding authority when it comes to the deployment of manpower. Ramble on all about the shooting in Huntington, blah blah blah. About preventing crime, blah blah blah.
You really want the public to believe that the commanders would set themselves up and endanger the public? Would they really have you believe there arent enough to go around? I havent seen a cop on my block in a year. You know why? Its called omnipresence. The oldest cop tactic in the book. Look it up.

The PBA is using the fear of the public. When the you-know-what hits the fan in a given area, when there is a shooting or a rape or a burglary, whcih PBA board member is out looking for the perp, or coordinating the investigation, or running anything besides their mouth? When a illegal alien felon kills someone, or robs someone, where will the PBA be? Spend less time telling us what you cant do, and be a bit more pro-active.

THE JOB OF DEPLOYMENT AND ASSIGNMENT BEGINS AND ENDS WITH POLICE SUPERVISORS.

There are 16 cops covering the 2nd precinct at night, again no cops lost jobs, the area is huge, if there's 20 teenagers fighting our manpowerfor that fight would require units from another pct.
Who's there for the rest of huntington?
The omniprescence thing is gone, every perp knows 16 bodies, good chance not one is near.
Theres enough cops around, as long as there are no emergencies.
Right assignment is the supervisors gig, he's responsible, Stevie needs a fall guy.

Shouldn't there be specialized units? I can't see how that's adding to the problem. They gotta have buildings and a fleet. I've never seen a police Durango or Hummer. The helicopters are necessary for airlifting.

Civilian employees probably save money.

Just letting you know where the majority of the money goes.
Not for nothing but when you request any of their services, example a trapped victim in a rollover that needs to be extricated, its usually a 10 minute eta, by then the vollies have the victim out and on their way to the hospital.
I saw the hummer once, its a motor carrier vehicle, worth about 80,000 with all the equipment, sigh
There are around 10 Durangos think they are motor carrier too

Shouldn't there be specialized units? I can't see how that's adding to the problem
Right, think of it like this, if there are no pursuits, car searches, or missing children, k-9 is there just in case.
If there are no rollovers, extremely dangerous barricaded subjects and the like calls, E/S is there just in case.
If there are no critical transports or car pursuits, aviation is there just in case.
Well dont you think the people of Huntington town deserve the same basic benefit, a Officer on patrol at 0300 just in case?

There are 16 cops covering the 2nd precinct at night, again no cops lost jobs, the area is huge, if there's 20 teenagers fighting our manpowerfor that fight would require units from another pct
You are forgetting at 0400 2 more cars are shut down to transport prisoners, then just 14 cars

[Andy of Mayberry]

Since we are going backwards anyhow and they are putting fewer cops on the road than they did back in the 70s, why don't we go back to the days when they issued cops their cars and the dispatcher can call us at home to respond to solve a 20 year domestic situation in a half hour report taking visit.

Is that in reference to the domestic violence article on News 12?
Isnt it funny how The White shirts are claiming they want to be tough on Domestic Violence, but they do not have a mandatory arrest policy? In this day and age it is still a civilian arrest on non- misdemeanor acts of violence.Put the power in the hands of the officers.
But they want to look good, so they're claiming to be tough on Dom. violence. more smoke and mirrors.

THE JOB OF DEPLOYMENT AND ASSIGNMENT BEGINS AND ENDS WITH POLICE SUPERVISORS
Right but when the supervisors are merely puppets of a Politician, whos attempting to save the county money,by cutting back on patrol officers, but increasing the quota of summons, in order to save and make money for the County, there is a huge conflict of interests.
How about we decrease the amount of white shirts sitting behind a desk, leaving only to attend their brunches, by 2 per pct and 10 per headquarters? thats close to 3 million dollars per year. For 3 million a year you can hire 50 police recruits.
Additionally is it needed that academy recruits make 60 grand?

Its hard for a kneepad type like the current commish to have the respect or trust of his Command. But at least we know where he kneels.... i mean stands.. right in front of Levy
And no by the way thats not a complaint about writing more summons, I'd have to writer 7 less summons a month to hit the number they want .

[quote]THE JOB OF DEPLOYMENT AND ASSIGNMENT BEGINS AND ENDS WITH POLICE SUPERVISORS

How about we decrease the amount of white shirts sitting behind a desk, leaving only to attend their brunches, by 2 per pct and 10 per headquarters? thats close to 3 million dollars per year. For 3 million a year you can hire 50 police recruits.
Additionally is it needed that academy recruits make 60 grand?

This is a previously proposed idea. The city can run precincts with only a Captain in neighborhoods with more complex problems than Suffolk has. It's really simple, make the CO of a Pct. in Suffolk a Captain and get rid of 7 Deputy Inspectors and 7 Inspectors. As for the specialty commands like Special Patrol, Highway, Marine Bureau, do the same. Lets see, I figure we could easily eliminate the need for approximately 20 D/I and Inspector positions combined at a savings of 2.9 mil given an average salary (low at that) of 145K. I haven't even considered the cost of their benefits. If Levy wants to do more with less, why is he doing it at the expense in safety of his electorate. I'll tell you why, because the bosses have Stevie compromised due to his lifestyle and now due to his taped transgressions with his dirt bag associates. Deputy Inspectors and Inspectors as hard as they try don't come out of their Ivory towers and respond to 911 calls. Despite that smoke and mirrors crap of having bosses ride double with cops. When your child stops breathing, your husband beats you, you are assaulted etc. it isn't a white shirt D/I or Insp. that puts themselves in danger to arrive in your time of need it is the blue shirted PO. Eliminate boss positions utilize the funds for PO staffing. If Levy doesn't it is because of the concepts outlined above.

[writer formerly known as]

Is that in reference to the domestic violence article on News 12?
Isnt it funny how The White shirts are claiming they want to be tough on Domestic Violence, but they do not have a mandatory arrest policy? In this day and age it is still a civilian arrest on non- misdemeanor acts of violence.Put the power in the hands of the officers.
But they want to look good, so they're claiming to be tough on Dom. violence. more smoke and mirrors.

OK Brain Surgeon - if you knew anything you would know the NYS CPL forbids arrests by PO's for violations not comitted in their presence . It has to be Civilian arrest . There are two exceptions - Leaving the scene of an incident and D.W.A.I. That's it man. If you don't have the facts don't make the statement

Is that in reference to the domestic violence article on News 12?
Isnt it funny how The White shirts are claiming they want to be tough on Domestic Violence, but they do not have a mandatory arrest policy? In this day and age it is still a civilian arrest on non- misdemeanor acts of violence.Put the power in the hands of the officers.
But they want to look good, so they're claiming to be tough on Dom. violence. more smoke and mirrors.

OK Brain Surgeon - if you knew anything you would know the NYS CPL forbids arrests by PO's for violations not comitted in their presence . It has to be Civilian arrest . There are two exceptions - Leaving the scene of an incident and D.W.A.I. That's it man. If you don't have the facts don't make the statement

Yup, you are right. The Azzwipe policy has landed the county in lawsuits. To which they have lost. Just remember the morons in the PD legal bureau signed off on this crap. While it sounds nice on paper it has cost the county $$$$$ since anyone arrested by a PO for a Penal Law violation not committed in his presence who has acquired an mediocre attorney has been able to unscrew this county "policy" as being contrary to NYS law and won their clients (quietly) money.

OK Brain Surgeon - if you knew anything you would know the NYS CPL forbids arrests by PO's for violations not comitted in their presence . It has to be Civilian arrest . There are two exceptions - Leaving the scene of an incident and D.W.A.I. That's it man. If you don't have the facts don't make the statement
Exactly change the law. If you can arrest for 600.1 you should be able to arrest for a Domestic violation involving physical violence.Take a dep have her sign,we do the arrest. after a few trips to the house, a couple 32s for the suspect, you'll never have another call there.
My point was if the Dept. wants to be tough on domestic violence, do it. Don't just talk about it. Make it similar to other states Domestic battery law. Any visible sign or any statements or phyical violence is a automatic arrest.

Exactly change the law. If you can arrest for 600.1 you should be able to arrest for a Domestic violation involving physical violence.Take a dep have her sign,we do the arrest. after a few trips to the house, a couple 32s for the suspect, you'll never have another call there.
My point was if the Dept. wants to be tough on domestic violence, do it. Don't just talk about it. Make it similar to other states Domestic battery law. Any visible sign or any statements or phyical violence is a automatic arrest
Too efficient, dept would never go for it.
That would eliminate the 20-25 calls of harrassment exceptionally cleared due to non-cooperative witness prior to the assault 2 that lands you on the cover of newsday for not arresting him 20-25 times you were there.

You are all a bunch of worthless useless overpaid metermaids who suck each others cock. You should be kissing Levys ass for not having a real police force such as the NYS Troopers take your jobs you scum.

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You are all a bunch of worthless useless overpaid metermaids who suck each others cock. You should be kissing Levys ass for not having a real police force such as the NYS Troopers take your jobs you scum.


Again thanks for sharing with us, by the way there were 15 NYS troopers that jumped ship to scpd last 3 classes, looks like they want our job...hmmm.

[writer formerly known as]

OK Brain Surgeon - if you knew anything you would know the NYS CPL forbids arrests by PO's for violations not comitted in their presence . It has to be Civilian arrest . There are two exceptions - Leaving the scene of an incident and D.W.A.I. That's it man. If you don't have the facts don't make the statement
Exactly change the law. If you can arrest for 600.1 you should be able to arrest for a Domestic violation involving physical violence.Take a dep have her sign,we do the arrest. after a few trips to the house, a couple 32s for the suspect, you'll never have another call there.
My point was if the Dept. wants to be tough on domestic violence, do it. Don't just talk about it. Make it similar to other states Domestic battery law. Any visible sign or any statements or phyical violence is a automatic arrest.

Again Brain Surgeon ! You infer that the Police Dept can make these changes you so desire. The police can't change the laws, any of them ! You seem to think the "white shirts " are almighty Gods who can change Laws. Go to the Library or look up on the internet how laws become laws. then maybe you will stop making stupid comments here

[writer formerly known]

Exactly change the law. If you can arrest for 600.1 you should be able to arrest for a Domestic violation involving physical violence.Take a dep have her sign,we do the arrest. after a few trips to the house, a couple 32s for the suspect, you'll never have another call there.
My point was if the Dept. wants to be tough on domestic violence, do it. Don't just talk about it. Make it similar to other states Domestic battery law. Any visible sign or any statements or phyical violence is a automatic arrest
Too efficient, dept would never go for it.
That would eliminate the 20-25 calls of harrassment exceptionally cleared due to non-cooperative witness prior to the assault 2 that lands you on the cover of newsday for not arresting him 20-25 times you were there.

My prior post applies to this no it all too ! I can't believe you are both PO's. Very scary . Do you know ANYTHING about the NYS PL or CPL ? I think not . It is not up to the Dept to decide and institute this new and improved Pro arrest policy for HARASSMENT . We cannot take the matters into our own hands and magically change Harass. 2nd into a misdemeanor. I have to believe you are civilian, Cop wannabees or if you really are PO's you skipped classes when they were going over the Penal Law and Arrest procedures.

Again Brain Surgeon ! You infer that the Police Dept can make these changes you so desire. The police can't change the laws, any of them ! You seem to think the "white shirts " are almighty Gods who can change Laws. Go to the Library or look up on the internet how laws become laws. then maybe you will stop making stupid comments here
Ok''boss'' let me simplify this since you need me to spell it out.
Perhaps suffolk county instead of talking about ''being tough on domestic violence'' can institute a Suffolk County Mandatory arrest for domestic battery law. I never said or inferred the Police Dept could make their own laws, as most people know this and do not need this explained to them.I assumed we all knew what was being discussed. Didnt realize I had to go into how laws are made, and who makes them.
We have extremely weak law when it comes to domestic violence. If a person isnt assaulted or threatened over the phone.(misdemeanor act or threat of violence) by their spouse,or domestic partner, the victim has to arrest the actor(harrassment, violation act or threat of violence).If the victim doesnt want the resonsibilty and very few do in the first few years of being abused, we notify a supervisor who is supposed to come down but never does,and another tree bites the dust(paperwork). When the actor eventually tunes the victim up, guess whos butt is on the carpet?
Never worked in any other jurisdiction so I cant pretend I know other Counties or states policies.
Its funny we can issue a traffic summons, a simplified information in place of a custodial arrest at a mva that we didnt witness(because the countyslash deptwants to look tough on reckless drivingslash accidents), but the CountyslashDepartment that is claiming to be tough on domestic violence, allows a abusive situation remain by not removing a alledged abusive partner. gee thats pretty tough huh?
SMOKE AND MIRRORS

[switch south]

Again Brain Surgeon ! You infer that the Police Dept can make these changes you so desire. The police can't change the laws, any of them ! You seem to think the "white shirts " are almighty Gods who can change Laws. Go to the Library or look up on the internet how laws become laws. then maybe you will stop making stupid comments here

Ok''boss'' let me simplify this since you need me to spell it out.
Perhaps suffolk county instead of talking about ''being tough on domestic violence'' can institute a Suffolk County Mandatory arrest for domestic battery law. I never said or inferred the Police Dept could make their own laws, as most people know this and do not need this explained to them.I assumed we all knew what was being discussed. Didnt realize I had to go into how laws are made, and who makes them.
We have extremely weak law when it comes to domestic violence. If a person isnt assaulted or threatened over the phone.(misdemeanor act or threat of violence) by their spouse,or domestic partner, the victim has to arrest the actor(harrassment, violation act or threat of violence).If the victim doesnt want the resonsibilty and very few do in the first few years of being abused, we notify a supervisor who is supposed to come down but never does,and another tree bites the dust(paperwork). When the actor eventually tunes the victim up, guess whos butt is on the carpet?
Never worked in any other jurisdiction so I cant pretend I know other Counties or states policies.
Its funny we can issue a traffic summons, a simplified information in place of a custodial arrest at a mva that we didnt witness(because the countyslash deptwants to look tough on reckless drivingslash accidents), but the CountyslashDepartment that is claiming to be tough on domestic violence, allows a abusive situation remain by not removing a alledged abusive partner. gee thats pretty tough huh?
SMOKE AND MIRRORS
Funny i read the same original post, even though the post didnt mention the legislature it was understood that the post meant. My 6 year old son knows cops dont make the laws or try people in court, we just enforce the laws and catch the bad guys.
I dont agree with the post, because then there would be allegations of physical abuse at every domestic and we'd be locking up both parties and taking the kids away, or handing them off to a relative.
But I do think the frequency of the 911 calls would go down, couple trips to the pokey does change ones views.
And yes that would be a tough initiative on domestic violence. It'll never happen, either.

Again Brain Surgeon ! You infer that the Police Dept can make these changes you so desire. The police can't change the laws, any of them ! You seem to think the "white shirts " are almighty Gods who can change Laws. Go to the Library or look up on the internet how laws become laws. then maybe you will stop making stupid comments here
Ok''boss'' let me simplify this since you need me to spell it out.
Perhaps suffolk county instead of talking about ''being tough on domestic violence'' can institute a Suffolk County Mandatory arrest for domestic battery law. I never said or inferred the Police Dept could make their own laws, as most people know this and do not need this explained to them.I assumed we all knew what was being discussed. Didnt realize I had to go into how laws are made, and who makes them.
We have extremely weak law when it comes to domestic violence. If a person isnt assaulted or threatened over the phone.(misdemeanor act or threat of violence) by their spouse,or domestic partner, the victim has to arrest the actor(harrassment, violation act or threat of violence).If the victim doesnt want the resonsibilty and very few do in the first few years of being abused, we notify a supervisor who is supposed to come down but never does,and another tree bites the dust(paperwork). When the actor eventually tunes the victim up, guess whos butt is on the carpet?
Never worked in any other jurisdiction so I cant pretend I know other Counties or states policies.
Its funny we can issue a traffic summons, a simplified information in place of a custodial arrest at a mva that we didnt witness(because the countyslash deptwants to look tough on reckless drivingslash accidents), but the CountyslashDepartment that is claiming to be tough on domestic violence, allows a abusive situation remain by not removing a alledged abusive partner. gee thats pretty tough huh?
SMOKE AND MIRRORS

OK Officer , let me make it simple for you - The county has had a mandatory arrest policy for at least 6-8 years for as you call it Domestic Battery. Unfortunately we can't apply this to Violations as the CPL says it has to be Civilian arrest. Suffolk County Legislature can't make special rules of arrest just for SCPD. The Dept tried to do this if you recall with us making Harassments into Assault 3's which not only was illegal but it did not work anyways. Our arrest policy is equal to or better than anywhere else in the country. Watch that sill COPS show on TV to see how ass backwards the rest of the country is as far as Domestic arrest policies

OK Officer , let me make it simple for you - The county has had a mandatory arrest policy for at least 6-8 years for as you call it Domestic Battery. Unfortunately we can't apply this to Violations as the CPL says it has to be Civilian arrest
Right I know that, if the county wants to be tough, they should endeavor to change the law, either on the county or state level.
Instead, they just say they're going to be tough, and nothing changes.
If levy can attempt to deputize us as Immigration, he can attempt to change the Domestic violence laws.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS

[writer formerly known]

OK Officer , let me make it simple for you - The county has had a mandatory arrest policy for at least 6-8 years for as you call it Domestic Battery. Unfortunately we can't apply this to Violations as the CPL says it has to be Civilian arrest
Right I know that, if the county wants to be tough, they should endeavor to change the law, either on the county or state level.
Instead, they just say they're going to be tough, and nothing changes.
If levy can attempt to deputize us as Immigration, he can attempt to change the Domestic violence laws.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS

Agreed but this is a Police Site and unless you spell out very clearly who it is you are talking about the readers will believe the P.D. had some say in this matter. We don't. Levy and County lawmakers certainly do. The PD is in NO WAY responsible for there not being a mandatory arrest Policy for Harassments which is the way these posts sound. Clear enough ?

[School house rocks]

come on, you all know how it goes...
I'm just a bill, yes I'm only a bill, and I'm sittin' here on capital hill. But I know I'll be a law some day!

[shite head]

If ya'll follow my directives you'll be making arrests for violations that didn't occur in your presence. After all it's overtime for the lot of ya on the day of the arrest. Don't worry, we won't (wink wink) hold it against ya that yer bein sued for false arrest and civil rights violations and lets say pass ya over for promotion or deny you the ability to transfer. Ya just be good lads and do what I say and not what I do. Lastly, don't worry yourselves none, you'll get plenty of overtime for being sued and afterall your old uncle seamus will testify that you were just good lads following orders.

[laddie boy]

If ya'll follow my directives you'll be making arrests for violations that didn't occur in your presence. After all it's overtime for the lot of ya on the day of the arrest. Don't worry, we won't (wink wink) hold it against ya that yer bein sued for false arrest and civil rights violations and lets say pass ya over for promotion or deny you the ability to transfer. Ya just be good lads and do what I say and not what I do. Lastly, don't worry yourselves none, you'll get plenty of overtime for being sued and afterall your old uncle seamus will testify that you were just good lads following orders.
Is that me brother richard ? What's little stevie got to say about your post lad ?

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I'm not too sure about the arrest OT. Precincts have a habit of re-assigning arrests...Civilian harassment arrest would have to be processed by next tour! No OT! I would like to know how many arrests that are handed over get thrown out because info that the original arresting PO is aware of may not be included in the charges, thus not sustaining the charge. Late arrests by outside commands, COPE and PCS are ok, however. Late arrests by PATROL have been frowned upon. Late arrests during field training get the rookie sent home whether or not FTO processes. How is the rookie supposed to get to know arrest processing if they are sent home? They have to LEARN!! They owe hours anyway, it doesn't cost the County anything other than having poorly trained officers.

[CPEPPER]

You want O/T, jump on the 1400 committals, if you have a choice of a 32 or a cpep run, take the cpep, other than the 6th, I dont see many pcts relieving at UHSB.

[MFer]

I'm not too sure about the arrest OT. Precincts have a habit of re-assigning arrests...Civilian harassment arrest would have to be processed by next tour! No OT! I would like to know how many arrests that are handed over get thrown out because info that the original arresting PO is aware of may not be included in the charges, thus not sustaining the charge. Late arrests by outside commands, COPE and PCS are ok, however. Late arrests by PATROL have been frowned upon. Late arrests during field training get the rookie sent home whether or not FTO processes. How is the rookie supposed to get to know arrest processing if they are sent home? They have to LEARN!! They owe hours anyway, it doesn't cost the County anything other than having poorly trained officers.

Thats an easy habbit to break. DWAI or Zero Tolerance. If they want to reassign the 32. Let them. They don't bail drunks and there is only one person who can testify and sign a DWAI info. You. Go home and wait. If they call you back in it's now RECALL. Flood their A-wipe system w/ Collars they will have to reassign. Now that the desk is down to 2 who are they going to reassign the collars to in light of their propensity to shut down cars on the mids. Collar up, crash the system, upward discipline.

[I can't cope]

What is the difference between a sector police car / assignment and a "COPE" car / assignment?

I'm trying to understand exactly what COPE is. What does cope do that sector cars don't?

I'm trying to understand exactly what COPE is. What does cope do that sector cars don't
Cope is a step out of patrol, they do not answer 911 calls unless they choose to, the are given community concerns, example speeding on a certain street, and they enforce the speed limit there.
They do alot of the parades and funeral details and community meetings.
The rest of the time they generally just mess with the people that need to be messed with, write a lot of paper, minimum for most pcts is 70ish per month, make some arrests.

[NICHOLSON]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH.... YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!

[laddie boy]

sorry to break topics but reliable information received that Little Stevie is FUMING over the new PBA T-shirts depicting Levy as an organ grinder , and RD as his monkey on a leash stating " Stevie and Dormer the performer ". Word has it he actually contacted henchman Spota to see if there were any charges that could be filed. :D :D if true I could not be happier . Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor.

[SC Resident]

sorry to break topics but reliable information received that Little Stevie is FUMING over the new PBA T-shirts depicting Levy as an organ grinder , and RD as his monkey on a leash stating " Stevie and Dormer the performer ". Word has it he actually contacted henchman Spota to see if there were any charges that could be filed. :D :D if true I could not be happier . Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor.

Read that in Newsday today...(not that I would use that as any sort of reliable confirmation).

Can anyone tell me where I can get them? I will take 25 to start.

[lexardo]

Late arrests during field training get the rookie sent home whether or not FTO processes. How is the rookie supposed to get to know arrest processing if they are sent home? They have to LEARN!!

Let's be honest. Learning how to process an arrest is about as easy as learning how to fry an egg. Do it a few times on your own and you get good at it.

Point being; your above quoted argument lacks merit.

[Ditto Head]

Not quite that easy, especially when in field training. DWI's, CPCS even petit larceny when vouchering can be overwhelming for the inexperienced. Takes awhile to get it all down. Patrol3 is on the money.

I cant believe how full of crapola you guys are. What the hell did this poor retarded rookie do for 6 months in the academy. You want to teach processing and not worry about the little rookster getting sent home, assign him a collar made by someone else at the beginning of the tour. Better still, dont worry about it. It'll get to him or her eventually. Everyone is new and makes mistakes in the beginning, and I'm sure that someone that is assigned inside can help the poor little lad if he gets stuck. Youve all got the public so bamboozled with what they percieve their PD should be, that you believe your own bulls**t. God forbid you were real cops in a real job with real bad guys, with a real public that really hates you and real politicians that really, really couldnt care less about what you want because theres this little rule called the Taylor Law.

Listen, take your t-shirts and all of your whiny work rule nonsense, and go be cops. I havent seen one of you primadonnas within 5 blocks of my home in a year. I know for sure that the firehouse is well protected, and so is Mohammed at the 7-11, as well as the 5 or 6 parking spots at the end of the RR parking lot while you have your little 4 or 5 car PBA meetings on overtime.

Let the Commisioner make policy. Let the PBA get you your next 25% raise. Then shut up, thank God for your place in the world, and go do some work.

[Police Academy Instructor]

What the hell did this poor retarded rookie do for 6 months in the academy.

Based on what I've read here, I can tell you what 99% of the officers posting here did not do...and that is pay attention in class.

Youve all got the public so bamboozled with what they percieve their PD should be, that you believe your own bulls**t.

Spoken like a officer who paid attention in class and knows how and when to affix a 95 tag. :)

What the hell did this poor retarded rookie do for 6 months in the academy.

Based on what I've read here, I can tell you what 99% of the officers posting here did not do...and that is pay attention in class.

Youve all got the public so bamboozled with what they percieve their PD should be, that you believe your own bulls**t.

Spoken like a officer who paid attention in class and knows how and when to affix a 95 tag. :)

You are either a bitter Suffolk or Nassau wannabe couldn't pass the background because of the Poly city Scumbag. There are only two types of people who know about affixing 95 tags. NYC cops and NYC EMS personnel who do removals of DOAs in public view. Either way you are a multipersonality Jealous piece of shite. The way you stalk and pontificate I'd almost liken you to Wacky Wimmer.

[Ditto Head]

I've been through 2 police academies and never recieved adequate training in arrest processing where I felt comfortable making an arrest on my own until I had a few months experience.
As far as 95 tags go, I spent my time with few DOA's and didn't know everything when I graduated the "Big Job's" academy. You also seem bitter and jealous about what Nassau and Suffolk get and what you aren't. My advice is to take the test and leave. You weren't drafted and can resign anytime just like many guys and girls that are on Nassau and Suffolk did. As far as real crime and dealing with real criminals, don't delude yourself about where you live. Suburbia has it's share of scum even in the "good" neighborhoods.

[Ghoul in Blue]

I spent my time with few DOA's and didn't know everything

Did you ever have one sit up in bed and smile at you. I did. Put two rounds right between her eyes and had ME going nuts trying to figure out how the tech who made the pronouncemnt missed the gaping head wounds.

[Police Academy Instructor]

You are either a bitter Suffolk or Nassau wannabe couldn't pass the background because of the Poly city Scumbag.

City Scumbag? Does this mean you are not going to honor my PBA cards? :lol:

You are either a bitter Suffolk or Nassau wannabe couldn't pass the background because of the Poly city Scumbag.

City Scumbag? Does this mean you are not going to honor my PBA cards? :lol:

What PBA cards. I think you are a flunkie from the city that was hired and fired by Suffolk and couldn't get your city job back because you are a mental case. aka supreme court justices, UF-28 etc. etc.

[NYC Cop 23]

Why does everyone have to take shots at city cops?

There are only two types of people who know about affixing 95 tags. NYC cops and NYC EMS personnel

What about those millions who watched Law & Order episode #63?

What about those millions who watched Law & Order episode #63?


Right the most influential media on the planet on how the sheep of long island view law enforcement, just beating newsday.

[Police Petroned]

Levy new he could open the flood gates in Huntingdumb.

Suffolk County Police, wake up. You've been Petroned.

[UnRegable]

U guys, too funny....yes petroned..wait till u see whats on tap next month! Keep pointing the finger at Cope, Marine...in-fighting just livens up morale! Bitter boys, trying to keep up with the jones...will have thier day!(back out on patrol that is) And it's not just the flood gates buddy, IT"S THE WHOLE GOD DAMM DAM! :D