no paid FD's

lets say u have paid fd's

you to man 2 trucks ladder and engine companys

5 guys to a truck total of 10 for 24 hours

lets say starting pay is 60k so for you up to 600,000$

but you need other crew for the next day right?

so anther 10 guys for 60k your up to 1.2 million

what about you fire chief's they make more money say about 80k
there about 2 to 4 chief's to a dept now yor up too 1.5 million

what about equipment fire trucks tools chiefs cars

for payed firefighters they want new equipment just llike the guys in the FDNY

so lets say u spened 400k a year on a equipment most likely more

your up to now 1.9 million but about insurance medical,dental

your over 2 million now

and we have not even started on E.M.S

we can not afford paid firefighters on long lisland

[medic35]

Nobody wants to pay the firefighters.......Look at the past posts, the problem is the EMS calls going unanswered. If an ambulance doesn't show in a timely manner, someone DIES. If the fire fighters take an extra 20 minutes the only damage done is to property. Now let me stop you right now.... all you fire buffs there are going to tell me people may die if they are in the fire. Lets look at smoe average numbers - ignition of fire to reporting appox 10-60 minutes. time from FRES taking the call to actuall dispatching it appox 3 minutes, average response time from members home to firehouse 5-10 minutes response to scene 5-10 minutes. So 23 - 80 minutes to get the truck on scene. Now most people who die in fires die from CO ( carbon monoxide ) poisoning. that can take as little as 6-10 minutes. Just last week the victims were saved in Nasau Co. by cops who got on scene in minutes and the FD took 25 minutes.
Now the other numbers are hundreds of thousands of 911 calls for medical emergencies and maybe 200 for fully involved structure fires. So explain why fire needs to be paid?

[Middle of the road]

I understand evryone perspective on a paid system. However, there are few people who understand what requirements are needed to sustain that paid system. It is true budgets would exceed 3.5 million dollars for a department running an average 2500 calls. But despite what people think there are budgets that meet or exceed that number already. Setauket, Terryville, Coram, etc.. But what do we do to lower costs of the the overtaxed system? We dont even consider keeping an all volunteer system, that is consilidated to a regional system. This includes fire fighters. If we want to adjustify a volunteer system and that the system can work for much less we must make fiscal choices that are based on ethics and good practice. Currently each department finances legal staffing, treasurers, secretaries, mechanics, dispatchers, and cleaning staff. This staffing along with huge stations that are not cost effective is wrong. We pay for chief vehicles when there are new chiefs just because they are new and "they deserve it". For what? To be a burden on the system. Trips for no reason. Abuse of the rights and privledges by fire district commissioners. Plain and simple we need to be a regional service, whether paid or volunteer, doesnot matter. In order to protect the persons we best boundries need to be eliminated.

[medic35]

Ok, I'm not talking about starting a new system with more tax money. Simply, redistribute the fire district tax mones already collected in a different way. This is not a local level job, but the legislature in Albany rewriting the laws that cover protection district regulations.
Simply, if Coram has a budget of 4 million for fire and EMS, resditributing the expenduitures so EMS has the proportional share of the budget for calls run. An example is in Ridge FD, where 90% or more of the calls are signal 16's does the dept spend $700,000.00 on a new piece of fire apparatus to replace one with less than 30,000 miles on it. Yes it is 10 years old, but is still servicable and conforms to NFPA and OSHA regs. that $700,000.00 could pay for two man crews on the ambulance 24/7 365.
It is time for the public to demand a professional, timely response for emergencies.

there should be no paid firefighters
but paid e.m.s we can have

[guest1]

It would be great if all the districts could provide adequate fire coverage with the current volunteer corps, but lets face it, midweek days that just isn't happening.

Finding a way just to get a rig on the road for a daytime call isn't something to debate, it's a necessity. Ppl are paying alot of money in taxes for our protection, and if 1-2million dollars needs to be spent a year on paid guys instead of buying a new pumper ever 7 years, that is the responsible thing to do. Our ultimate responsibility is to public health, not serving ourselves.

Making a blanket statement that there should be no paid firefighters is just ignorant. There is a reason most other parts of the country have had to go combo. It's called the public's best interest.

FYI WE DONT GET TRUCKS EVERY 7 YEARS ITS USUALLY 15-20YEARS

[11727FF]

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS STEP UP RECRUITMENT. YOU CAN'T TELL ME THERE AREN'T ANY RESIDENTS OUT THERE . SOME PEOPLE WHO MOVED HERE FROM THE CITY LIMITS THINK ITS PAID OUT HERE. WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND ACTIVLEY RECRUIT MEMBERS( MALE AND FEMALE).THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM PERIOD. MAYBE CHANGE POINT SYSTEM FOR DAYTIME RESPONSE I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE TO COME OUT DURING THE DAY BUT CANNOT AT NITE. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS BUT HEY ITS WORTH A SHOT

[expandtheranks]

expand the ranks through recruiting is the solution

serving in the volunteer fire / ems is the best

[Bite the Bullet]

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS STEP UP RECRUITMENT. YOU CAN'T TELL ME THERE AREN'T ANY RESIDENTS OUT THERE . SOME PEOPLE WHO MOVED HERE FROM THE CITY LIMITS THINK ITS PAID OUT HERE. WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND ACTIVLEY RECRUIT MEMBERS( MALE AND FEMALE).THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM PERIOD. MAYBE CHANGE POINT SYSTEM FOR DAYTIME RESPONSE I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE TO COME OUT DURING THE DAY BUT CANNOT AT NITE. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS BUT HEY ITS WORTH A SHOT

Who the heck are you going to recruit? Who lives on Long Island and not working 2 or 3 jobs, if not spending 4 hours on a train to NYC just to earn a decent paycheck?

And who is doing all this at night, willing or able to give up their days in order to staff a firehouse? This isn't 1966.

We all pay taxes to school districts who pay 700-1000 teachers over 80 grand a year. 36 paid firefighters and pensions isn't going to break anyone. They can eliminate fingerpainting and basketweaving in the schools to pay for the increase.

give me a break

i guess your not a vollie and dont know how much money its going to take to have paid fire depts

sit down and do the math

if your going to have paid firefighters they will most likely get the same amount of money that cops do and look how much money cops make on long island

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[guest4]

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[hgs]

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pay em

pay em

Amen. And taxes on a county wide level wont be as bad. There will be an increase, no doubt, but you people talk like its gonna cost an arm and a leg.

Farmingville could have paid the majority of at least one firemans salary, but they bought a racing truck instead. WITHOUT a motor.

And people say a paid fire service is a waste of money? Count your racing trucks on the island for starters. Easily a cool million or 2. Easily.

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FYI WE DONT GET TRUCKS EVERY 7 YEARS ITS USUALLY 15-20YEARS

Your correct but new NFPA standard is saying 25-30 years depending on what type of apparatus and usage.

Yes, but we're not talking about purchasing decisions that are driven by NFPA standards. Rather they are driven by the need to one-up a neighboring department or to make sure you use your entire budget, or because the bosses are getting a trip to the Caribbean from the sales rep. That's the biggest problem.

[pigatella]

sell all racing rigs for 2million what do you sell next year or next year it is about 150.00 to 250.00 per house for fire service after you liquidate all nassau an suffolk depts do you think this money will carry the tax burden over the years to come cops can run from call to call what will fire depts do a fire can burn more time than your police call your teacher work 40 hours mabey people will only have fires bewteen 9 5 if you pay property tax figure how many on your block pay taxes add it up and ask how come both counties cant get the job done with that but sell off all the vollie stuff and that will solve it all I DONT THINK SO :shock:

[WTF is this????????]

sell all racing rigs for 2million what do you sell next year or next year it is about 150.00 to 250.00 per house for fire service after you liquidate all nassau an suffolk depts do you think this money will carry the tax burden over the years to come cops can run from call to call what will fire depts do a fire can burn more time than your police call your teacher work 40 hours mabey people will only have fires bewteen 9 5 if you pay property tax figure how many on your block pay taxes add it up and ask how come both counties cant get the job done with that but sell off all the vollie stuff and that will solve it all I DONT THINK SO :shock:

Maybe (not mabey) you can try and bolster your point with proper spelling, punctuation, and paragraphs. This post, whether you have any points, pro or con, good or bad, make you look like a blabbering idiot.

You may be amazed at how your points will be proven, as well as comprehended, by others who read this site. Trust me.

Good luck.

suffolk fd

makes sense...do it !

makes sense...do it !

YOUR BITTER HAVE NO LIFE AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU SMOKE CRACK!!!
DO THE MATH TAX'S ARE TO HIGH SO THEY DRIVE THE YOUTH OUT AND WE ARE LEFT WITH MIDDLE AGE PEOPLE HERE STRUGGLING TO GET BY AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD TO STAY HERE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA COST OF A PAID SERVICE THAT WILL MATCH THE OVERPAID POLICE!!!

I guess we're stuck with landscapers and fuel oil truck drivers as our heros. This is what we have to depend on to protect us from house fires.

The problem is the way some departments spend their money. You have some districts have the size of others and running a budget twice the size. All that is needed is some type of control. Someone to over see everything.

I guess we're stuck with landscapers and fuel oil truck drivers as our heros. This is what we have to depend on to protect us from house fires.

That's right and they have been doing a great job of it for a very long time. Both counties are very populated urban areas and considering the population boom, the volunteer service has stepped up and done the job, time after time. If you don't like it then move. Those landscapers and fuel truck drivers are hard working people, and then they protect your pompous a$$ in their spare time. And the cold hard fact is they do a damn good job of it and that is why my friend they will be here for a very long time, despite what Newsrag and the IAFF say.

Hey let me ask everyone a question. For all you nay sayers of the vollie departments, take a look off the island, to the FDNY great paid service really provdies and works well. BUT why is it that they are making mutual aid agreements to towns in nassau, and new jersey?? think about it.

Hey let me ask everyone a question. For all you nay sayers of the vollie departments, take a look off the island, to the FDNY great paid service really provdies and works well. BUT why is it that they are making mutual aid agreements to towns in nassau, and new jersey?? think about it.

That is a last resort, ala 9/11. The FDNY has more than enough manpower for recall to handle anything short of another 9/11.

Let's hope we never see it again................

Hey let me ask everyone a question. For all you nay sayers of the vollie departments, take a look off the island, to the FDNY great paid service really provdies and works well. BUT why is it that they are making mutual aid agreements to towns in nassau, and new jersey?? think about it.

That is a last resort, ala 9/11. The FDNY has more than enough manpower for recall to handle anything short of another 9/11.

Let's hope we never see it again................

I understand that. And yes lets hope it never does happen again. The thing about a county wide fire system is that it would just take to long to start. It would have to start on a town level and no single town can afford to have a fully paid department. Some towns are just to large and to diverse( from commercial to residential) to have the manpower needed. In order to have a mutual aid agreement one department must protect the other if needed its a two way agreement. This only works now b.c the departments are volunteer. If an individual town goes paid and cannot handle the job they must mutual aid it. But they in turn cannot go out of district to help the town that they would call for help bc the citizens of that town aren't paying for that service. So inorder for them to call in for mutual aid they would have to pay for that extra service. You can see it now with many towns who have a paid EMS service. IF there is a 24 a volunteer crew must pick it up bc the citizens of that town are paying the paid crew to provide service when needed. The city of Rye NY tryed having a paid service and it worked for a little while, until they had a fire which they could not handle and couldnt call any other towns for help. The fact of the matter is that yes, as fire calls increase, membership decreases more and more departments will hire firefighters to subsudize the volunteers. But to say lets just change over to a paid county wide department is just as smart as saying lets just send in a robot to put out the fire.

I guess we're stuck with landscapers and fuel oil truck drivers as our heros. This is what we have to depend on to protect us from house fires.

Do you mean the moonlighting profesionals????

makes sense...do it !olster your union

Makes sense to a bunch or morons with 15 second sound bites in a meaningless chat room, when you use actual budgets , labor estimates, geography, and demogaraphics there are some challenges, primarily a tax bump that NO ONE who lives here wants. Now if the service was actually as bad as it is often described by the malcontents here peopel wouldn't care if their taxes sky-rocketed but it's not and they won't allow it! Simple enough for all of you here to understand? Let's be clear if you're hoping for another civil service job to soak the taxpayers further - IT ISN'T HAPENING.

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