Sayville has tent cities?

[just want to know too]

News mentioned homeless people living on private property in Sayville. How the hell is that possible? And if the police and town and township is aware of people living in tents on private or public land aren't they liable for what happens to them. Or at least the property owner. Why would anyone let homeless people live in tents when there are churches and other resources out there?

[AliceCooper]

Sayville has long had a well-known homeless population. It first became apparent when large numbers of mental patients were dumped in Sayville in the post-Willowbrook 1970s.

[Father Divine]

Sayville has long had a well-known homeless population. It first became apparent when large numbers of mental patients were dumped in Sayville in the post-Willowbrook 1970s.

I have returned to Sayville.

[Unregistered90210]

now the people can say there's no difference between sayville and wyandanch

[Unregisteredcrickets]

we don't have any bodegas or check cashing places. I'm worried about cockfighting....I mean, chicken fighting..

[Unregistereduuuuuh]

Day laborers kicked out of Huntington Station tent homes
January 5, 2010 by BART JONES / bart.jones@newsday.com

Homeless people are seen packing

One dozen day laborers were removed from their tent homes in a Huntington Station wooded area Tuesday by local authorities who said the cold weather was putting them in danger.

The authorities wanted the men to spend the night in a local church that offers shelter during the winter.

But it was unclear where the men would make their daytime homes after being moved out of the woods, which are located on private property between East Fifth Street and the Long Island Rail Road tracks. Some vowed to return.

"We'll see who lasts longer - them or us," said Pablo Cervantes, 53, of authorities who may want to oust the laborers from the woods permanently.

Huntington Town and Suffolk County officials said they wanted to prevent the men from freezing to death in a wooded area.

"I don't want people to die out there," said Insp. Edward Brady of the 2nd Precinct. "This was a show of compassion to the individuals who are out there in this frigid weather."

Huntington Town spokesman A.J. Carter said authorities tried to encourage the men to use a local church program where they are offered shelter and food for the night during the winter.

Many of the men said they were already doing that on many cold nights, but that they still wanted to maintain makeshift tent homes in the woods because they had no place else to go.

"How are we going to pay the rent if there is no work?" said Luis Morillo, 34, an emigrant from Honduras who said he has lived in the woods for about a year. "If I could find work I wouldn't be here."

Peggy Boyd of the Family Service League, a nonprofit that works with the homeless, said the Huntington Station site was one of several encampments in woods in Suffolk County where the homeless live. Others are in Bay Shore, Brentwood, Sayville and the East End.

In February 2007, a Honduran immigrant was found dead in the woods at the Huntington Station site. Suffolk police and the medical examiner said hypothermia was not a factor in his death, but immigrant advocates and social service workers disputed that finding.

Tuesday, Huntington Town code enforcement officers accompanied by Suffolk County police headed into the East Fifth Street woods about 3:30 p.m. and told the men they could no longer stay there, in part because the night was going to be frigid, with temperatures forecast in the 20s. They also told them their tents may be bulldozed Wednesday by the property's owner, and they should take their personal belongings.

Signs were posted on the tents stating they were unsafe and illegal structures, and that returning to them could mean fines of $15,000 and/or six months in jail.

Brady said making arrests would be "our very last course of action" and that authorities hope to simply get the men to move out on their own.

Morillo, an emigrant from Honduras, said he had been living with a brother in Huntington but moved out a year ago because he had no money to help with rent. "Imagine coming to another country to live in the woods," he said.

He told his wife back in Honduras that he wants to go home, he said but doesn't have the money for airfare. "It's better to leave than to live in the woods," he said.

[just want to know too]

So if everyone knows about this, why does it still exist? Why can't these people be moved out of the tent cities and receive services through our local churches and food pantries? I understand that some may be undocumented and there fore ineligible for financial services. I am sure local organizations and advocates for the undocumented will have information as to where they can stay and how they can get food and other necessities. I am sure they have an outreach group for this population. But no one should be living in tent cities and particularly in this fridge weather.

[Arpayo]

Lets get the INS buses going and send them back to their warm climate countries. As for the mentally ill, collect and deposit at the local mental health ward.

[MrAccountability]

now the people can say there's no difference between sayville and wyandanch

Sure there is. You know those plastic chain-link license plate frames?

If it's gold, they're from Wyandanch.

If it's silver, they're from Sayville.

[Unregistered90210]

you can take them out of sayville but the sayville will always remain in them

[Dead Heads for Obama]

now the people can say there's no difference between sayville and wyandanch

no difference other than black and white

[get real u fool]

News mentioned homeless people living on private property in Sayville. How the hell is that possible? And if the police and town and township is aware of people living in tents on private or public land aren't they liable for what happens to them. Or at least the property owner. Why would anyone let homeless people live in tents when there are churches and other resources out there?

why dont you go down to the stop and shop parking lot every afternoon and ask them yourself. Or you could try the wooded lot behind the Bunk House.

[11796 lifer]

So if everyone knows about this, why does it still exist? Why can't these people be moved out of the tent cities and receive services through our local churches and food pantries? I understand that some may be undocumented and there fore ineligible for financial services. I am sure local organizations and advocates for the undocumented will have information as to where they can stay and how they can get food and other necessities. I am sure they have an outreach group for this population. But no one should be living in tent cities and particularly in this fridge weather.

You can't be serious, can you? Sounds like you moved out to Sayville a few years ago, overpaid for your house south of Main st, and now are wondering why the real estate agent didn't give you a history lesson on the mentally ill/homeless population here. It started in the 70's when the mentally ill were cast out of willowbrook, pilgrim state, and kings park psych centers. They used to live in the old single-room occupancy "boarding houses" that were scattered around Sayville and West Sayville. Several years ago during the real estate boom, those places were cleared out, cleaned up or torn down, and sold off. Where do you think all those people went? Most suffer from some form of mental illness, in addition to drug abuse issues. Nobody seemed to notice them until they lost the roof over their heads and started "camping out" in the old Radio Station property behind the Cherry ave soccer fields, the area now occupied by the ISA sports complex, the woods behind the Bunk House, and under the bleachers at the Gillette Ave ballfield. Not to mention the nightly congregation by the bottle/can return at the StopandShop on Main St.
As for "Why can't these people be moved out of the tent cities and receive services through our local churches and food pantries?" Are you suggesting the Police violate their civil rights? Does your Church provide housing and food? Are you willing to put them up at your house?
Unless we bring an end to the "politically correct" idea that mentally ill and drug addicted people can live and function in society, you better get used to seeing them around.

[golden flash]

we don't have any bodegas or check cashing places. I'm worried about cockfighting....I mean, chicken fighting..

don't worry, we will have all that and then some soon enough. we are one soup kitchen and metadone clinic away from looking like downtown patchogue.

[Unregisteredthepluck]

don't worry, we will have all that and then some soon enough. we are one soup kitchen and metadone clinic away from looking like downtown patchogue.

I'll bet it was the homies who stole . He'd be a great snack for a pitbull.

[Unregistered09876]

don't worry, we will have all that and then some soon enough. we are one soup kitchen and metadone clinic away from looking like downtown patchogue.

Say what you want, but Sayville has nothing on Patchogue when it comes to resturants and nightlife. There aren't any productions theaters, family events,
free parking for the ferries, enough parking at the train station, and on and on.
Sayville is a nice town, it is just behind the curve. If it wasn't for starbucks there would be no night life.

[Unregistered11796]

Say what you want, but Sayville has nothing on Patchogue when it comes to resturants and nightlife. There aren't any productions theaters, family events,
free parking for the ferries, enough parking at the train station, and on and on.
Sayville is a nice town, it is just behind the curve. If it wasn't for starbucks there would be no night life.

right. the other difference is I dont have to carry my gun with me in sayville.

[Unregistered87654]

You can't be serious, can you? Sounds like you moved out to Sayville a few years ago, overpaid for your house south of Main st, and now are wondering why the real estate agent didn't give you a history lesson on the mentally ill/homeless population here. It started in the 70's when the mentally ill were cast out of willowbrook, pilgrim state, and kings park psych centers. They used to live in the old single-room occupancy "boarding houses" that were scattered around Sayville and West Sayville. Several years ago during the real estate boom, those places were cleared out, cleaned up or torn down, and sold off. Where do you think all those people went? Most suffer from some form of mental illness, in addition to drug abuse issues. Nobody seemed to notice them until they lost the roof over their heads and started "camping out" in the old Radio Station property behind the Cherry ave soccer fields, the area now occupied by the ISA sports complex, the woods behind the Bunk House, and under the bleachers at the Gillette Ave ballfield. Not to mention the nightly congregation by the bottle/can return at the StopandShop on Main St.
As for "Why can't these people be moved out of the tent cities and receive services through our local churches and food pantries?" Are you suggesting the Police violate their civil rights? Does your Church provide housing and food? Are you willing to put them up at your house?
Unless we bring an end to the "politically correct" idea that mentally ill and drug addicted people can live and function in society, you better get used to seeing them around.

FYI, The people being referred to in the Newsday article are day laborers not the mentally ill or drug addicts. The article is talking about day laborers living in tent cities because there is not enough work for them to afford a place to live. What is being said is that there are day laborers living in Sayville in tent cities. Most of the mentally ill and drug addicts are aware of the recourses available to them and take advantage of them. Maybe you should read the article again.

[11796 lifer]

FYI, The people being referred to in the Newsday article are day laborers not the mentally ill or drug addicts. The article is talking about day laborers living in tent cities because there is not enough work for them to afford a place to live. What is being said is that there are day laborers living in Sayville in tent cities. Most of the mentally ill and drug addicts are aware of the recourses available to them and take advantage of them. Maybe you should read the article again.

Obviously you don't live in Sayville. I don't care what the article in Newsrag said. Go back and read the first post on this thread. Then come on over to downtown Sayville and go past the places I mentioned. Newsday may be right about the other communities, but the problem here isn't "day laborers".

[11796 lifer]

... Most of the mentally ill and drug addicts are aware of the recourses available to them and take advantage of them...

P.S. Reality just called. It wants to know if you are ever coming back.

[Unregigurhg]

why didn't they round up the illegal immigrants (Newsday doesn't use the word illegal, they say day laborers) instead of destroying the tent cities and hand them over to the INS. this is a big problem in this country and the liberals want to spends tons of $$$ to help and pay for them. they are not contributing to our society. they don't pay taxes, don't stimulate the economy buying cars, homes etc.

i have no problem with people who come here, work hard and strive to be a citizen. they learn the english language, study and legally become a member of society. it's the illegals who are a drain, and we pay for everything for them. i have to work very hard to pay for my healthcare- nobody offers it for free to me. that' why this country is in so much trouble, we always look out for others (people and other countries) instead of taking care of our own first.

am i wrong?

[877878]

why didn't they round up the illegal immigrants (Newsday doesn't use the word illegal, they say day laborers) instead of destroying the tent cities and hand them over to the INS. this is a big problem in this country and the liberals want to spends tons of $$$ to help and pay for them. they are not contributing to our society. they don't pay taxes, don't stimulate the economy buying cars, homes etc.

i have no problem with people who come here, work hard and strive to be a citizen. they learn the english language, study and legally become a member of society. it's the illegals who are a drain, and we pay for everything for them. i have to work very hard to pay for my healthcare- nobody offers it for free to me. that' why this country is in so much trouble, we always look out for others (people and other countries) instead of taking care of our own first.

am i wrong?

It's not so much that you're wrong (you're not), it's that in your frustration, you're reaching for a simple and obvious solution. One that just won't work.

First, let's take a step back. Immigration is occuring throughout the world and on a large scale. look at Europe, Australia, as well as here in North America. The third world is no longer happy sitting back and planting corn after watching their Taiwanese TVs depicting fat, self centered Americans living lives of luxury on sit-coms. They want a western standard of living but they also want to keep their cultural identities. Even better if they can gather enough money to build that McMansion back in Puebla after working on LI for a few years.

Agree or not, we welcomed them. Their abundant, cheap labor was a tremendous contribution to our recent economic explosion. Our domestic labor pool was simply not sufficient to fuel the jobs that needed to be filled and without the labor of these immigrants, the boom would have fizzled early on. The government didn't legalize them because it was complicit with industry in exploting them; by keeping them underground they would be paid less than prevailing wage, wouldn't complain about unfair business practices, or lack of benefits. And almost nobody complained. Until the recession.

Now that jobs are scarce, housing is tough, and the weather is cold, immigration is slowing, even reversing in some areas. But you're correct to say that more has to be done. Not because they're criminals or bad people, but because the law can't be there for just some and not others. We tried locking up thousands at factories, and that just drove them underground and into the hands of gangs and other nefarious exploiters. We need to go after the businesses who hire them without paying taxes or benefits, we need to punish and deport (undocumented) convicted criminals, and we need a system where those who want to stay and become Americans have a chance to do so.

[John Greene]

Sayville's homeless do not appear to be illegal aliens/day laborers. Many of them were hardworking, taxpaying members of the community until mental illness and/or alcohol/substance addiction rendered them unable to contribute.

Tomorrow evening (Wednesday, January 13) at 5 p.m., County Legislator DuWayne Gregory will host a meeting of the Suffolk County Hate Crimes Task Force at the Rogers Building in Hauppauge. Advocates for illegal immigration, like Rev. Alan Ramirez, Assemb. Phil Ramos, Luis Valenzuala, Sr. Margaret Smythe, and Nadia Marin-Molina, will once again tie up the agenda claiming that any action taken to enforce zoning codes and property rights is a hate crime. They will again denounce anyone who complains about residential properties illegally leased to multiple, unrelated tenants is racist. They will denounce those of us who believe that zoning, residency and immigration laws should be enforced. And they will, as always, attack Steve Levy.

[cre8em]

Does anyone know of a charity that could distribute nice warm sweaters to the people who need them?

[Unregistered178]

dumpnolan.org great info