Suffolk PD Choppers

[Medevac4you]

What is the up to date word on the choppers. Which one was put back in the sky and what is the status with the other one? Also what type of new chopper are we getting, and when? Any one with new info would be great!!

[RSQRNGR]

PD 3, one of the MD902 explorers, got a new rotor head and is back in service. Aviation East re-opened about 2 weeks ago with PD 1, the A-star, remaining in service. PD2 is still awaiting a rotor hub.
The emergency expendature has not yet gone through but should in the next day or so to get another A-Star. Future purchases to replace one or both MD902s are still out for bid.
Oh and thanks to Steve Levy for taking credit for a mutual aid agreement with Nassau Aviation which has been in place for 25 years.
Matt G.
Hey, who took my user name?!?!?

[SCPD012]

Why can the State, and Nassau fly when Suffolk can't get up? IS it the equipment or the men?

[hooked up]

thats what happens when the County Exec buys a bird from his brother-in-law.

[PO415]

I am also a helicopter pilot and I saw for myself, yesterday, Suffolk PD1, one of the MD choppers, in the air, doing hovering and pattern work at MacArthur Airport. I fly a helicopter that is parked in the next building over from them and see them out all the time training. It is NOT...I Repeat NOT the men and women of the SCPD aviation section that is the cause of SCPD aviation being grounded for the time they were. They have 3 helicopters, 2 of which are in service. The third will be back up within the week. The county is going for an emergency spending bill, so that another AS350B can be purchased, which is just like the Eurocopter A-Star which is PD3.
As a pilot I can tell you that helicopters are extremely complex mechanical devices. It takes great pilot skills to master the controls and keep ahead of the game in flight. I know 3 of the pilots personally and I would trust them with my life in flight any day without hesitation. When these choppers are grounded for maintenance, it means a certain number of hours have passed since they were run and they are going for FAA required inspections. They are not like cars where you just fix it when it breaks. If it breaks here, you have a real problem. Other times they come down for FAA required overhaul and service. It is a long issue to discuss, but trust me, we have a good aviation section in this county, and it is staffed by excellent pilots and good police officers.

[WHY Then?]

BUT why can NASSAU, and the STATE Fly when Suffolk can't get it up? Do they have different rules, are their panties in a bunch? Nassau has come into Suffolk when they can't fly. Nassau has responded to MOS IN need, in Suffolk when Suffolk can't fly. Must be a different Weather pattern on the Island.

[it is who you know]

nope just bought a helicopter from a friend, suffolk is still run the good ol' boy way, not who can get me the best for my buck, but who do i know that sells...

[Rsqrngr]

Nassau and the state can fly because they are not proud owners of MD902 explorers.
Oh by the way apparently all of the information I have been posting is classified, so if you would all please look closely at my pen here.....


Matt G.

[Ditto Head]

Why can't avaition get Hueys like the NYPD? Or even a civilian version of the UH60?

Why can the State, and Nassau fly when Suffolk can't get up? IS it the equipment or the men?

Parkers not there

[SCPD012]

Who is Parker, and No one can say why they can't get it up?
Come come now who knows? Is it because they all hooked in and are incabable, afraid, LAZY, or clueless? Or is it really the machines? I've never heard a sector car turn down a heavy call, I've never heard ES turn down a heavy call, but I have heard Avaition is not coming.

[Uradumbass]

I'll use little words so you can understand this. All helicopters and fixed wing aircraft have FAA required maintenance schedules. After a certain number of flight hours the aircraft is taken out of service and disassembled and inspected. During these disassembly/inspections if any items are found to be defective or not in specifications they are replaced. Such is the case w/ the rotor hubs of two of the 3 SCPD choppers. To compound the problem the manufacturer kept sending defective allegedly repaired parts. Why can Nassau/NYSP assist Suffolk? They can assist because their equipment is on a different maintenance schedule than Suffolk. They too have their turn in the barrel when each and every one of their helicopters is out of service for inspection/maintenance. As for why can't we have hueys (I think you mean a Bell 412) or a civilian version of the blackhawk, it's simple $$$$$$$$. The purchase price and hourly cost of flying those helicopters is much higher than an Astar. I guess it's why you drive a Yugo when you'd really like to own and drive a Ford Excursion.

[No B.S.]

What is the wingspan (rotor span) on a helicpoter? How much space do they need to land?

What is the wingspan (rotor span) on a helicpoter? How much space do they need to land?

Normally, a good rule of thumb for a landing zone, is a clear 100 feet from all sides of the aircraft. I'm not sure about rotor span... it might have to do with the size/weight of the aircraft.

[SCPD012]

What an appropriate username for uradumbass. So what u are saying is that maintenance has prevented Suffolk in assiting SCPD on 10-1s in the past, when Aviation said it was weather, even though NASSAU can fly and assisted and and was of use even though they don't have radio contact. HMMMM, thanks that explains it all. Thanks.
Oh by the way thanks to NASSAU County Aviation and Marine Section for your help.

[re:scpd012]

SCPD012, can u give specific examples when the SCPD choppers said they were not able to respond b/c of weather and Nassau responded instead ???

[SCPD012]

YES, I can, really want to know?

[SCPD012]

I'll even play fair, ask any Cop in the 1st with more then say 5 years what happened to a certain 111 car's passenger, on the overlay @ rt 109 and new highway?
I'll leave it at that. Is the equipment just the latest excuse?

[SCPD012notathinker]

Maintenance issues aside consider this. You finish your last 3-11 tour and are drinking your sudsy cold one while eating your wifes leftovers. You are thinking of (fill in the blank, boating, golfing) the next day. You cruise metro traffic and weather and they show that really cool radar overlay of Long Island. If you had a clue and could think for a moment you might notice that most of our weather patterns come from the West and move East. You might even notice that they list the individual visibility, temperature and barometric pressure for each of the airports from JFK all the way out to Montauk. Ponder for a moment that the Suffolk 1st Pct. is West of MacArthur Apt. where Aviation hangs it's hat. Also ponder that flying is a hell of a lot more interesting than sitting around listening to command band in a hangar. Guess what numbnuts, if the weather conditions at MacArthur Airport are below minimums set by the FAA the choppers aren't going to lift off. I don't give a rats ass if it's bright sunshine and 80 degrees in West Babylon. If the weather where the helicopter is sitting is below minimums, too bad too sad. So if you can imagine the concept that a weather front on LI generally moves from West to East, Bethpage where Nassau flies out of may be clear, West Bab, may be clear, but Islip may not. Most helicopters fly by visual flight rules, ie. the pilot has to be able to see and avoid fog banks and clouds and be able to see the ground to get from point A to B. Not that I think you are really on the job, but most likely some ricky rescue douche if you really want to find out what it's all about the next time you are returning from your Thursday afternoon visit to IA veer off and gas up at the hangar and stop in and feel free to get educated about why and when helicopters can and cannot fly. Lastly, if you've never had the ass clenching experience of being blind in a cloud, fog, rain or snow in a helicopter go seek out someone who has. It sucks.

[SCPD012]

So what you are saying is Nassau and the State CAN fly when Suffolk can't because of weather.
That is an excellant phrase why don't you start using your quote "TOO BAD TOO SAD" we aren't coming, over the air, transport the MOS by ground. We should just call for Mutual aid by Nassau next time it would just save time.
I guess it has prob been a while for you but we all have our butt clenching parts of the job. I guess we just don't complain about driving 110 mph to a 10-1, or rolling around with a 250 pound angry crackhead, or hearing Suffolk aviation can't come.

[909-3]

SCPD012, you just don't get it. Do you really think the fine PO pilots like hearing all hell break loose on any pct radio, and they can't get off the ground due to weather where they are?? I don't think so. If you actually work in the 1st, then you know first hand how the weather can vary from place to place, fog so thick you can't see past your headlights south of Montauk, but just barely cloudy up in Wyndanch. So, yes, sometimes Nassau CAN fly when Suffolk can't. 8)

[Reply to scpd012]

I think the time you spent in NCMC has made you bitter. I think you need to visit w/ Aumiller or Goldfarb to re-direct your rage. If not stop hanging on one liners and go investigate the reality of weather limitations of flying on Long Island. If you love Nassau so much, take the test. If not EDUCATE yourself with facts, not just your opinion and LEARN why weather prevents Suffolk from flying. All of the claims are there in the "notathinker" post. If you doubt the information, disprove them with facts, not just your personal bitter misconceptions. Avail yourself of the Aeronautics classes at SUNY Farmingjail and don't forget to submit your paperwork to the benefit fund for reimbursement. After you have taken an aviation weather course come back and appologize. Better yet why dont you join the PD flying club and find out first hand what everyone has been trying to explain to you.

[SCPD012]

I have just presented a question. Why can the State and Nassau fly, when Suffolk can't? Is it the machines or the men?
No one seems to have a definative answer. We are learning alot about weather patterns, maintenance schedules, and training. Someone in highway even seems to be supportive of Aviation.
So what do you are indirectly saying is that we should save money on the Helicopters because Avaition doesn't use the Navigational Instruments on board, because they only fly by sight? So we can sell all that fancy electronics and eliminate it from future purchases of Machines? Great Ideas!! Since we are on the topic, what do Civialian Pilots make? Do we need a cop in the air oh wait they aren't in the air.

[scpd012stilladumbazz]

I'd swear you must be one of stevie levy's lackies. When the bird is down for maintenance it doesn't fly. When the weather is below FAA minimums the bird isn't going up. Lastly instrument flying in helicopters is great if you are flying cross country from one airport to another, since most airports have reported weather patterns. Instrument flying is wonderful to get you from point A to B, but if the fog and haze are too great you can't land. This is true for 747s or little cessna 152 two seaters or Police flown helicopters. With a GPS enhanced instrument system a helicopter at Islip could take off (weather permitting) and put in a lat/lon location lets say for a medivac job and land at one of your favorite places the North Babylon HS. The problem is if the weather at the place you are planning to land at is below minimums you are not legally allowed to take off. The yardstick for whether or not it is legally safe and allowable to take off and land via instruments would be the weather at the nearest airport (Republic). It doesn't matter one iota if the pilot wants to or not, at some point even if his GPS led him to the airspace above the North Babylon HS field. If the pilot then cannot see the ground to land he is NOT allowed to land. If he breaks the rules and lands he is not legally allowed to take off. It doesn't matter if it's a SCPD, Nassau, State Police or Donald Trump's helicopter. 012 your ignorance and unwillingness to listen or educate yourself makes you look like a moron. You obviously have an axe to grind and regardless of how much the posters on this site attempt to educate you, you still hang on your sensational one liners. You have flip flopped when your inarticulate ravings have been shot down with fact and reason. Just admit you have a hard on and wont ever open your mind and learn about something that you obviously know nothing about nor want to educate yourself on. As for why should the helicopters have certificated flight instruments if they aren't being used all of the time under Instrument flight rules. They are there because the reality of the job aviation does is that it will skirt weather in all conditions to get the job done. You know, it's the same concept of driving your undermaintained sector at 124 MPH down Sunrise to a 10-1 in fog, rain and dark even when you know it isn't prudent to do so. Cops stretch safety and push the envelope of prudent driving and flying to get the job done. Sometimes pilots can't stretch things a bit as sometimes you can't stretch things a bit when your boss calls off a pursuit you've initiated due to weather or traffic conditions. Go take a class, join a flying club or heaven forbid read a book but stop wasting space about something you are really ignorant on.

[SCPD012]

I will admit I don't know much about FAA rules, but as you point out we break or bend the VTL every day.
Just a word to the wise, U guys don't have the best reputation. Going to the press and saying "WE CAN"T FLY" was saying "WE ARE INCOMPETENT", The reason is not important with public perception. With Civialization around what is stopping them from replacing Cops pilots with Civilians? What do Cops do that would not be expected of Civilians, Maybe FACING DANGER, oh by the way without complaint, or crying. By citing FAA rules and regs on why u can't fly, it looks like excuses to avoid work. So WHY DO WE NEED POLICE PILOTS IN AVIATION? Better come up with better answers and Stop crying to the press the next time a part breaks. Good idea bring more negative attention to the job and your unit.
Oh and I really do want all you to stay there because I don't want u whiners back on Patrol. Sounds like you would just find reasons not to work there and crying about it. Oh there is ice on the road, what it is raining out, ETC

[SCPD112 Sqd 2]

I will admit I don't know much about FAA rules, but as you point out we break or bend the VTL every day.
Just a word to the wise, U guys don't have the best reputation. Going to the press and saying "WE CAN"T FLY" was saying "WE ARE INCOMPETENT", The reason is not important with public perception. With Civialization around what is stopping them from replacing Cops pilots with Civilians? What do Cops do that would not be expected of Civilians, Maybe FACING DANGER, oh by the way without complaint, or crying. By citing FAA rules and regs on why u can't fly, it looks like excuses to avoid work. So WHY DO WE NEED POLICE PILOTS IN AVIATION? Better come up with better answers and Stop crying to the press the next time a part breaks. Good idea bring more negative attention to the job and your unit.
Oh and I really do want all you to stay there because I don't want u whiners back on Patrol. Sounds like you would just find reasons not to work there and crying about it. Oh there is ice on the road, what it is raining out, ETC

I realize you are still bitter about the blood donation thing your FD did for you when you were in NCMC, I realize you have a lot of misguided anger. Call Aumiller/Goldfarb. I don't know which Newsday article you are referring to, but I am going to jump to conclusions despite what you have posted that you don't have too much brain damage. If your sector car didn't have brakes or had bald tires and you and your squad mates refused to drive the car because it was putting yourself and the public at risk would the public accuse you of incompetence or cowardice? Nope, just the contrary. A sheep would go with the flow and not make waves, someone with integrity, courage and conviction not to mention self preservation would stand up and say something. The thing is if you crash a sector car you might take yourself and maybe 3 or 4 people with you. If a helicopter goes down you are looking at two pilots a flight medic and an aided passenger, not to mention who every you might crash into on the ground. The thing is with aviation, guess who makes the decision that a bird is not going to fly when deficiencies are found during routine maintenance and inspection? A Civilian FAA licensed Airframe and Powerplant mechanic. If he finds deficiencies, all stop, no go. He is not going to violate federal law and re-assemble a defective helicopter no more than an FAA licensed pilot either civilian or sworn will fly one. The thing about breaking FAA regs. is that if there is some kind of problem, ANY flight mishap, the FAA responds and inspects everything. If any irregularities are found in the maintenance records they revoke the A/P license of the mechanic and the Pilots licenses of anyone who knowingly flew or signed off on the airworthiness of a defective aircraft. BTW do some research on how much pilots make these days, Airline pilots make upwards of 160-180K. If you think that by civilianizing the pilots they will be more inclined to fly defective aircraft, you are sadly mistaken, just the opposite. You see a civilian pilot or mechanic that loses his FAA certification is unemployable in the aviation industry and thus out of work. At least if a cop "loses his ticket" as the saying goes he can still work the road. Which of the two do you think will be more inclined to bend the rules and stretch to assist another cop during a 10-1? I think the answer should be apparent. Again, for your own safety seek help for your misguided rage.

[Re:SCPD112 Sqd 2]

I will admit I don't know much about FAA rules, but as you point out we break or bend the VTL every day.
Just a word to the wise, U guys don't have the best reputation. Going to the press and saying "WE CAN"T FLY" was saying "WE ARE INCOMPETENT", The reason is not important with public perception. With Civialization around what is stopping them from replacing Cops pilots with Civilians? What do Cops do that would not be expected of Civilians, Maybe FACING DANGER, oh by the way without complaint, or crying. By citing FAA rules and regs on why u can't fly, it looks like excuses to avoid work. So WHY DO WE NEED POLICE PILOTS IN AVIATION? Better come up with better answers and Stop crying to the press the next time a part breaks. Good idea bring more negative attention to the job and your unit.
Oh and I really do want all you to stay there because I don't want u whiners back on Patrol. Sounds like you would just find reasons not to work there and crying about it. Oh there is ice on the road, what it is raining out, ETC

Wow..That's another mouthful...Lets hit on some points.
1. While u may bend the VTL rules, there ain't no bending Federal law (FAA regs).

2. Who says u have the best reputation ???

3. Saying "we can't fly" could mean many things: Aircraft broken ( ie:rotor hub is cracked, 1 of 5 blades is damaged, engine no work..), unflyable weather, aircraft is unavailable..

4. Civilianization ??? Well, that's where I hope and believe that u are not a cop...A cop would not advocate the civilianization of another cop's job. But since u brought it up, civilian pilots would not necessarily make less than the PD pilots. They could argue that although in the real world they make make less doing EMS flights, they are replacing better paid pilots, and should be comparably compensated. Also, my friend, the civilian pilots will have stricter, more hard and fast minimums at which they will fly. If their minimun is, say 800' ceiling and 2 mile visibility, they ain't flying in 700 and 1 3/4....and they won't give a $hit wheter a cop is in trouble or not....

5. Since we are talking about regulations and laws, why don't you shoot that fleeing felon, who just burglarized my house, in the back as he is running from my house ???? Whats the matter are you a pussy ???? Just shoot the guy....

6. Keep advocating civilianization, and there will be only 2 places wher a street cop can go in his career...Boss or detective....

So, I truly believe that your sorry a$$ is not attached to a cop's body...Give it up, go away, or unmask and identify yourself to the board, to let us know who you really are.
I myself shall remain anonymous, b/c I am not here consistently bashing PO's...

[Vincent Palumbo, JD]

Guns? Absence of religion? Lack of self esteem? Poor parenting? The entertainment industry? Who's to blame for Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's crotchety sermons? Numerous professionals (and not-so-professionals) have speculated and mulled, publicly and privately, over what has caused Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau to impair the practice of democracy. You see, I undeniably believe that the nicest thing that can be said about its mercenaries is that they are lewd, conniving sybarites out to replace law and order with anarchy and despotism. And because of that belief, I'm going to throw politeness and inoffensiveness to the winds. In this letter, I'm going to be as rude and crude as I know how, to reinforce the point that I myself am not fooled by its logorrheic and eristic rhetoric. I therefore gladly accept the responsibility of notifying others that if the people generally are relying on false information sown by unruly numskulls, then correcting that situation becomes a priority for the defense of our nation.

Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau will hate me for saying this, but its adherents consider its ruses a breath of fresh air. I, however, find them more like the fetid odor of extremism. If we can understand what has caused the current plague of the worst classes of prolix, homicidal bloodsuckers there are, I believe that we can then bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau really struck a nerve with me when it said that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. That lie is a painful reminder that I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. But Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau does, occasionally, make a valid point. But when it says that might makes right, that's where the facts end and the ludicrousness begins. Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau must think that being frowzy entitles one to malign and traduce me. Unfortunately, the English language contains so few words of reprobation and invective that I cannot satisfactorily describe Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's aberrant harangues. At least our language's lexicon is sufficiently voluminous for me to explain that if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's credos, one is promptly condemned as mephitic, confused, addlepated, or whatever epithet Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation.

I'm not the first to mention that it has been said that Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau enjoys pondering new ways to break up society's solidarity and cohesiveness. I, in turn, think that this is not the place to develop that subject. It demands many pages of analysis, which I can't spare in this letter. Instead, I'll just state the key point, which is that if its trucklers had even an ounce of integrity, they would increase awareness and understanding of our similarities and differences. Even with the increasing number of mindless drongos, Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's lickspittles all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way it keeps them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them.

However, if I am correctly informed, unyielding rigidity is just as much a threat to the continuity of things as amoral, unrestrained defeatism. In any case, we must learn to celebrate our diversity, not because it is the politically correct thing to do, but because prudence is no vice. Cowardice -- especially Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's antihumanist form of it -- is. My purpose here is not to build an inclusive, nondiscriminatory movement for social and political change. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that in a recent essay, Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau stated that the laws of nature don't apply to it. Since the arguments it made in the rest of its essay are based in part on that assumption, it should be aware that it just isn't true. Not only that, but the space remaining in this letter will not suffice even to enumerate the ways in which it has tried to conspire with evil.

Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau, you are welcome to get off my back this time and stay off. And for those temperamental, psychotic fence-sitters who want to hide behind the argument that Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's agents provocateurs are not audacious fiends, but rather, virulent grizzlers, my question is simply this: What's the difference? I will never give up. I will never stop trying. And I will use every avenue possible to nourish children with good morals and self-esteem. I'm sorry if I've gotten a little off track here, but I'm sure Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau wouldn't want me to eavesdrop on its secret meetings. So why does it want to lower scholastic standards? After days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conclusion that our national media is controlled by brassbound party animals. That's why you probably haven't heard that I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I give it condign punishment. Given the range and unpredictability of human behavior, it is quite possible that Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau should clarify its point, so people like you and me can tell what the heck it's talking about. Without clarification, Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's pranks sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense.

Common sense and scientific evidence agree: Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau is an opportunist. That is, it is an ideological chameleon, without any real morality, without a soul. Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau talks a lot about neocolonialism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? There aren't enough hours in the day to fully answer that question, but consider this: Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau has been known to say that it acts in the public interest. That notion is so splenetic, I hardly know where to begin refuting it.

This is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to fill the air with recrimination and rancor. Not yet, at least. But Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau argues that it never engages in squalid, unsympathetic, or rash politics. To maintain this thesis, Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau naturally has had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which it does by the desperate expedient of claiming that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. Trumpeted so many times, Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's objectives have begun to feed on themselves, to generate their own publicity, to cow their opponents not by argument but by sheer repetition, and to turn our country into a nit-picky cesspool overrun with scum, disease, and crime. Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's crusades have a distinctly iconoclastic tone. But you knew that already. So let me add that ethically bankrupt, stuck-up authoritarians serve as the priests in Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's cult of indecent ethnocentrism. These "priests" spend their days basking in Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's reflected glory, pausing only when Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau instructs them to purge the land of every non-indelicate person, gene, idea, and influence. What could be more brutal? I would venture the answer has something to do with unilateralism. To elaborate, it will break down our communities because it possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses surly hermits (especially the careless type) with twisted and uncontrollable rage. I feel that I, for one, refuse to dance to Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's shabby tune. Deal with it.

I'll give you an example of this, based on my own experience. As you know, even when Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau isn't lying, it's using facts, emphasizing facts, bearing down on facts, sliding off facts, quietly ignoring facts, and, above all, interpreting facts in a way that will enable it to convert houses of worhip into houses of favoritism. It is more than a purely historical question to ask, "How did Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's reign of terror start?" or even the more urgent question, "How might it end?". No, we must ask, "Does Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau contend that anyone who disagrees with it is ultimately unsophisticated because it fits its political agenda or because it's too ignorant of the facts to know that it ducks the issue of particularism by using words and phrases so vague and subject to interpretation that they have no true meaning at all?" In classic sophist fashion, I ask another question in reply: Will the world ever be free of snooty swaggerers like it? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? But in case you don't, then you should note that the commentaries, perceptions, and words that it is trying to tattoo on our minds are not educational, but supercilious. That's clear. But it has commented that negativism is the key to world peace. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as its comment is lacking in common sense.

Speaking of illogical slackers, we must put our religious and factional differences aside if we are ever to point out the glaring contradiction between Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's idealized view of tribalism and reality. So let Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau call me heartless. I call it cacodemonic. I predict that one day, people will generally agree that the people Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau attacks deserve compassion, not insults, put-downs, or stereotypes. This is a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as time passes.

If I didn't sincerely believe that there is blood on Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's hands, then I wouldn't be writing this letter. Whatever Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau claims to the contrary, the problem with it is not that it's unimaginative. It's that it wants to crush any semblance of opposition to its negligent, unreasonable wisecracks. When people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau is to blame. So Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau thinks that morbid turncoats are more deserving of honor than our nation's war heroes? Interesting viewpoint. Here's another: Its accomplices insist that it has been robbed of all it does not possess. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able to, of course, but because Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau has stated that its activities are on the up-and-up. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that those of us who oppose it would rather run than fight. Now that's just petty. Still, the issue of what to do about Suffolk Police Aviation Bureau's unprincipled equivocations is far from settled. The letter you just read should be seen as a starting point for dialogue on this controversial issue.

[Phallic salivator]

Your post was soooooooooooooooo long and BORING.

I will admit I don't know much about FAA rules, but as you point out we break or bend the VTL every day
I'd tend to agree, but I think a picture of a flaming PD helicopter in the middle of a occupied school in Newsday would make a bigger stir than a run of the mill PD-10.
The headline would be something like this
FAA DID NOT CLEAR THIS FLIGHT

[SCPD012]

More Crying, How about coming up with a reason not to civilianize the job.
We can get Civialian pilots to find reasons not to fly.

And since you missed the point we know the Civiians would make less money THAT IS WHY THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING IT. I never said I was an advocate of it. I did say how stupid I thought it was to go to the Press,crying about being unable to perform, at a time when the Department is Civilianizing

I am not a 112 operator and I myself have never been in NCMC, so the wrong people are accused of being here.
I do want you to keep your jobs, 1) we don't need anymore crying Cops who find excuses to fit need on a case by case basis back on Patrol 2) Maybe a Cop will want to go there.

[Abab nisiarmur]

bump. Catch me if you can beeotch, 4IMallwheelstuck

[Baba Rum Raisin]

bump. Catch me if you can beeotch, 4IMallwheelstuck

Hmm... All wheel stuck summons me to the table. You are ready for Habla Dashmir then?? Or shall we just meet i/f/o the Commack Starbucks and discuss that fateful day?

You are ready to cry Uncle Baba - this is a good thing.

bump. Catch me if you can beeotch, 4IMallwheelstuck

Hmm... All wheel stuck summons me to the table. You are ready for Habla Dashmir then?? Or shall we just meet i/f/o the Commack Starbucks and discuss that fateful day?

You are ready to cry Uncle Baba - this is a good thing.

Sorry Baba, I appologize for disturbing your transcendental meditation. I wasn't summoning your wedgie abilities, the play on words was a private thing designed for two people.

[Re SCPD012]

Sounds like this guy tried to get into aviation and was DENIED! :P

[flying high2]

Just asking, how come aviation was grounded during the incident in north babylon last week, it appeared to be a pretty decent day out. Was it strictly weather related or something else? We could have used the medevac. I did notice that they were up later in the incident possibly taking photos, just curious as to what happened.

[Weatherman]

Just asking, how come aviation was grounded during the incident in north babylon last week, it appeared to be a pretty decent day out. Was it strictly weather related or something else? We could have used the medevac. I did notice that they were up later in the incident possibly taking photos, just curious as to what happened.

Weather at the time of the accident was as follows (Ceiling is the height of the clouds above ground):

Farmingdale: Visibility 2.5 miles, mist, Ceiling 100'

Islip: Visibility 1.5 miles, mist, Ceiling 400'

Westhampton: Visibility 6 miles, mist, Ceiling 500'


Weather at Farmingdale and Islip was far below the minimums recommended by the Commission on Accreditation of Medical Transport Systems, and even farther below the FAA definition of visual flight conditions, which is 3 miles visibility and Ceiling 1000' - Nevertheless, two SCPD helicopters attempted to respond to the scene, one from Islip and the other from Westhampton, but were forced to turn back by weather conditions. Wasn't the first time and won't be the last.

[SouthshoreEMT]

I am an EMT in Islip Town and i am just going to tell you all that i do not know alot about flying but i have had many times called for a medivac. 90% of the time they came and have taken my Patient. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. anyway you spout off and say they can't fly in bad werather, I say NO, You say why not they have instriments to help them fly dont they?? I say yes they do BUT thats for point to point flying, that will set you up at certain becons to set you up for a runway approach or whatever. That will not let you see where your landing for a dustoff We do not have Radio becon's in every school yard or parking lot. Also, The medivac gets cancelled alot too. sometimes the ground personel cant wait and they take the patient to the closest hospital instead. One more thing Can someone say hello to keven for me i was the first one at his acccident and i have not seen him since hope he is doing ok.
You SCPD people are the greatest keep up the good work and be safe.

Doug Einsfeld
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Why can't avaition get Hueys like the NYPD? Or even a civilian version of the UH60?

Why cant the get Harrier Jets like the Marines?

[witness12]

Anyone watch or listen to the rescue in the Nissequoge River on saturday. I was there and watched aviation drop their medic out of the rescue basket and fall at least 15 feet. Thank god he was not injured but my question is are the medic trained on emergency rescue prodcedures? He just tumbled right out of the basket. Thank god it wasn't a civilan...

[heywoodjablome]

The medic IS a civilian !!!

[ANONY.]

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

The pilot is a police officer. SCPD doesn't have any police officers trained as paramedics. Only EMT's.

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

The pilot is a police officer. SCPD doesn't have any police officers trained as paramedics. Only EMT's.


SCPD has had and still has EMT-Ps. Whether or not they have utilized them in that capacity is another story. Check your facts before shooting your mouth.. I work for Nassau and have been in refresher courses with them.

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

The pilot is a police officer. SCPD doesn't have any police officers trained as paramedics. Only EMT's.


SCPD has had and still has EMT-Ps. Whether or not they have utilized them in that capacity is another story. Check your facts before shooting your mouth.. I work for Nassau and have been in refresher courses with them.

EMT-A, EMT-D, EMT-P... Who the hell cares? We don't have paramedics, that was the point asshole. Shooting off my mouth? Why don't you blow me, douchebag?

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

The pilot is a police officer. SCPD doesn't have any police officers trained as paramedics. Only EMT's.


SCPD has had and still has EMT-Ps. Whether or not they have utilized them in that capacity is another story. Check your facts before shooting your mouth.. I work for Nassau and have been in refresher courses with them.

EMT-A, EMT-D, EMT-P... Who the hell cares? We don't have paramedics, that was the point xxxxxyy. Shooting off my mouth? Why don't you blow me, douchebag? I realize I shouldn't dignify your stupid response with an explanation, but an EMT-P is a Paramedic you ignorant waste of 21% Oxygen.

Maybe civilians shouldn't be utilizing PD equipment.

The pilot is a police officer. SCPD doesn't have any police officers trained as paramedics. Only EMT's.


SCPD has had and still has EMT-Ps. Whether or not they have utilized them in that capacity is another story. Check your facts before shooting your mouth.. I work for Nassau and have been in refresher courses with them.

EMT-A, EMT-D, EMT-P... Who the hell cares? We don't have paramedics, that was the point xxxxxyy. Shooting off my mouth? Why don't you blow me, douchebag? I realize I shouldn't dignify your stupid response with an explanation, but an EMT-P is a Paramedic you ignorant waste of 21% Oxygen.

Shows how much I care about you "buffs" and all your EMT nonsense. Be a real cop and stop playing doctor. I'm too busy doing police work to be concerned about levels of EMT training. Besides, I don't care what you say, I've yet to see a paramedic cop on my job. I've only seen civilians. So go troll on a NC thread and go blow all your EMT buff buddies you sack of excrement.

[guest247365]

No SCPD medics??? What about the HIA COPE car? There cant be any medics that work that car the informed people on this site would know.

[ExchangeEMT]

I know for a fact that suffolk county police have medics. I was doing a meet the boat at timber point and guess who went to the hospital with us. A P.O. who also happend to be a MEDIC. I do not know if any of you know Mitch Savino, But he is a cop and a medic and he teaches at the academy.

DE
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[ExchangeEMT]

Up in the hauppauge Ind park there is an ALS sector car and also in the 2nd precient there is one too. My friend jim Garside drives it.


DE
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I know for a fact that suffolk county police have medics. I was doing a meet the boat at timber point and guess who went to the hospital with us. A P.O. who also happend to be a MEDIC. I do not know if any of you know Mitch Savino, But he is a cop and a medic and he teaches at the academy.

DE
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Mitch may be a medic, but he is not a cop.

[officerinhiding]

Mitch is the furthest thing from a cop there is. The county civilianized the EMT section of the academy, so Mitch then went into hiding at "In Service Training". Nice try Mitch. Guess who's idea it was to put a Medic on the Marine Bureau boat and get it certified as an ambulance !!!!! :lol:

[guest 911]

there are a few scpd officers who are medics, but none work in avation. Garside is an emt-cc, not a medic. all the flight medics come from stony brook

[ExchangeEMT]

Yes I know jim is not a medic but he is ALS, And as far as Mitch, I do not know him so I cannot comment on if he's a cop, good or bad. Or a medic, good or bad. Her was there when we (The Volunteers) needed him.

Doug Einsfeld

Yes I know jim is not a medic but he is ALS, And as far as Mitch, I do not know him so I cannot comment on if he's a cop, good or bad. Or a medic, good or bad. Her was there when we (The Volunteers) needed him.

Doug Einsfeld
Mitch is a little nobody suckass loser dikhed, my 89 y/o mother could kick his arrogant punk ass. I think all the ''emt'' inservice cops are there for a reason, and not because they are outstanding emts, whats scary is they notoriously do well on the p-romotional exams, if you cant hack it as a cop, stay out of circulation, dont come back as a sgt

[Vollie EMT]

Well lets get off the mitch subject. Anyway, A question: are all the PO's in the Marine section EMT's?? I know alot of them are but is it a requirment to be one? I also saw that they have a new CPR machine on the Boats. Is it only on one or is there more than one?? I think you guys are great, all of you!

DE
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Why can't avaition get Hueys like the NYPD? Or even a civilian version of the UH60?
Only Customs has the UH60, I bet its super expensive.

It is the ZOLL Auto Pulse. One of the Civillians in the EMT section got it for them to use. It is the best thing next to sliced bread effective CPR with no fatigue. I think it is a great tool for any EMS org to have. Also try doing CPR on a boat.




Well lets get off the mitch subject. Anyway, A question: are all the PO's in the Marine section EMT's?? I know alot of them are but is it a requirment to be one? I also saw that they have a new CPR machine on the Boats. Is it only on one or is there more than one?? I think you guys are great, all of you!

DE
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