28 Cars

[Ditto Head]

What is going on in the 2nd? Any other precincts shutting down cars? I heard Steve Levy will take part in a live call in show channel 12, anyone want to call him about this?

[2nd pctpo]

28 cars may be the amount of cars that cover all of suffolk county on the midnights. In the 2nd pct we now have 16 cars. At 4:00 am that number goes down to 14 due to prisoner transports. It's all about the mighty $$$$$ but someone is going to get hurt or killed..

[SCPD PATROL 3]

3 guys HAVE been hurt as a result of the shut down. This is a totally unacceptable action taken by PC Dormer. We are still operating in 2005 with staffing levels from the 1970's. I really hope that the SC Leg staffing committee comes out soon with its recommendations. We need a PC who REALLY knows what's going on and is not afraid to push for the addition of sector cars throughout the police district! Wake up PC Dormer!! I would love to see a vote taken whether or not the rank and file of the SCPD have any confidence in the PC. That would dispel the nonsense he's spouting how guys are telling him they think the shutting down of cars is good for officer and public safety.

[gotmy20]

That would dispel the nonsense he's spouting how guys are telling him they think the shutting down of cars is good for officer and public safety.

Do you really think anyone is saying the shutting down cars is good for public and officer safety? If anyone is, its probably someone bucking for promotion. Howcan less cops = increased safety? Its all about the money.

[Ditto Head]

I was reading the minutes from the Public Safety committee from March 16, 2004. I read where Dormer testified that the mids only get on averager 2 calls per night. One of the reasons he can say this is because of 10-60's. These CC #'s get recycled. You are in effect saying "No police response required." I encourage all of you to 38 your calls. Put x's or dashes in the boxes. It takes an extra 2 minutes to do. Also draw CC #'s from your cad. If you have a disorderly person drinking beer, urinating or what have you, draw a CC and 38 it. Dead cat or other animal in the road and you remove it, get a CC and 38 it. Go over the air on your assists. Stevie Wonder and his lap dog are using these stats to get us hurt and put us and the public in danger to save a few dollars.

That would dispel the nonsense he's spouting how guys are telling him they think the shutting down of cars is good for officer and public safety.

Do you really think anyone is saying the shutting down cars is good for public and officer safety? If anyone is, its probably someone bucking for promotion. Howcan less cops = increased safety? Its all about the money.

EXACTLY!!! The other day I was driving on RTE109 in Suffolk. A TSL was out. Three Suffolk cars sitting on the side of the road staying nice and warm,. Two talking on their cell phones. Traffic was all screwed up. You think one of them would've said "Everybody sees us sitting here doing nothing. Lets either get out of the publics view or get out of the cars and direct traffic." Put two of those idiots up in the second to cove 206 and 218's sectors. They obviously werent needed in the 1st. Makes us all look bad when we have a justified complaint......like the shutting down of cars.

[apples + oranges]

Whether or not cops run around all day, or do little, Suffolk should have more cops on patrol than currently assigned. Cops ideally should be free to answer real emergencies, life or death type situations.
If a traffic lite is not functioning correctly, maybe the..gulp............ licensed, adult drivers are going to have to share the roadway with each other, and cooperate.

[What do you think?]

I'm curious as to what you cops think your job is? You don't seem to think you're there to serve the public, help the taxpayers, take care of problems - you seem to think we should do all that ourselves. So what do we need you for? To run around and arrest people? That would be nice, if we found you stalking the projects in Hempstead, busting druggies in New Castle, bringing in gang members in Westbury - but you aren't. So what do you think you should do? Just ride around waiting for something you consider to be an emergency - which according to what you fellows complain about - are always things we should be handling ourselfs - as though cops are somehow better than non cops are. We call you because it's your job - why should we do it ourself when we have cops? I got news for you. If Suozzi wins re-election it's because most of us agree with his stance on police - you earn too much, do too little and have it way too easy. The attitude has to change and the Commissioner has to change it.

[apples + oranges]

The problem is I'm not a cop. I'm a civilian lkke yourself. I'd rather not call 911.
If you cannot negiotate a intersection without a light or a crossing guard maybe you should go back to driver's education, which seeing how most of you drive isnt a bad idea. I always thought if a lite isnt functioning correctly you call the town, state or county depending on what type of road it is.

[body4life]

We are still operating in 2005 with staffing levels from the 1970's

If you cops had not recently announced a drop in crime I might feel sorry for you.

If you cops were still getting paid a 1970's chicken feed salary as opposed to the Kings Ransom you make in salary today, I might feel bad for you.

Do us all a favor...stop your whining and go write a few cell phone violations. If you are really concerned about getting hurt maybe you should find another job!

[right?]

Thats exactly why we take care of our own, if we get hurt no one else cares. Sadly when 1 of you gets hurt, we still feel it. Too bad we arent as cold as you
As far as our salaries go... sorry so we can live DECENTLY without working 2 jobs, hell I finally outgrossed the guy next door to me who paints pinstripes on cars

[Iraq]

The soldiers in Iraq get paid far less than a Nassau County cop. Those are the ones I worry about.

[gotmy20]

The problem is I'm not a cop. I'm a civilian lkke yourself. I'd rather not call 911.
If you cannot negiotate a intersection without a light or a crossing guard maybe you should go back to driver's education, which seeing how most of you drive isnt a bad idea. I always thought if a lite isnt functioning correctly you call the town, state or county depending on what type of road it is.

The problem is... I am a cop. We get paid good money so lets do the right thing. Obviously 3 cars sitting on the side yapping on their cell phones while "adult drivers are attempting to Negotiate" a busy intersection where the TSL is out, is not doing the right thing. Its about public perception and people like 'What do you think' perceive that the police aren't doing the right thing. Writing tickets, directing traffic, making arrests, rendering aid and assistance etc.. are all part of our job description. Here's a question. Where was the Patrol Supv when these cops were sitting on the side of the road.

[NCPO3433]

Where was the supervisor......?? How about sitting right next to them !!!!!

[gotmy20]

Where was the supervisor......?? How about sitting right next to them !!!!!

I'd like to think otherwise, but you might be right.

[nope your wrong]

10-60's don't get recycled!Ever get a 5 digit cc in July? They go in the system the same as a 38 field report. They divide the calls up criminal/incident report and all other. Want to fluff up the numbers draw cc for dm's patrol pickups of susp circumstances etc.

[Most of the new cops]

Most of the cops I do think try and do the right thing and most of them can rise above all the gook they get from the idiots they deal with every day but I've also had my share of lazy losers that give all cops bad reps. Driving through Garden City one day my car gave out on Stewart Avenue - no cell. I am suddenly relieved and happy to see a cop car with 2 cops in it passing by on the other side of the street. They pause long enough to tell me there's a phone in the mall - which looked like it was about 1/2 mile down. I'm dressed for work, white, female - were they scared to give me a lift or make a call for me? Some guy stops - civilian - tinkers with something or other - gets it started. I see the same car passing by again - eating something now. They couldn't help me because they were on the way to get breakfast! Another time - I'm stuck in the snow. Cop car passes, once, twice, three times - I'm using my gloves to shovel out. Finally I dig out and take off. Now maybe none of those things are required of cops - but they sure as hell are expected of them. Especially when you see them later on - 3 cars all hanging out by St. Pauls Church doing nothing.

[Ditto Head]

CC #'s are recycled. You won't see a 5 digit one in July because they are recycled right away. Just goes right back into to system. I have drawn CC's on the CAD or for an arrest and have gotten lower #'s then were currently assigned. Try running your stats for the month and see the difference between calls handled and the # of calls on the monthly stats. The difference will be the calls 60ed.

[Firemen get there faster]

My experience? Call the fire department first if you have a real emergency. Don't bother with 911. I know plenty of people who were in real crisis - they called both. Fire department got there - took care of everything - were glad to do it mind you - very professional - before the cops even turned their sirens on. Feel a heart attack coming on - take and asprin, sneeze, cough, hiccop and call the fire department. It'll save your life.

[firemen faster?]

Not in Suffolk. Just ask the PD sitting on an EMS call for 45 minutes waiting on the fire department to respond. Lets not go there though... there is a whole other forum dedicated to it.

My experience? Call the fire department first if you have a real emergency. Don't bother with 911. I know plenty of people who were in real crisis - they called both. Fire department got there - took care of everything - were glad to do it mind you - very professional - before the cops even turned their sirens on. Feel a heart attack coming on - take and asprin, sneeze, cough, hiccop and call the fire department. It'll save your life.

C'mon. Really. How can the FD actually get anywhere first. Before they leave the Firehouse they have to put away the race car, throw all the pizza boxes out, clean up all the beer cans, wipe the bar down and take a leak.

Where was the supervisor......?? How about sitting right next to them !!!!!
Got that one right, once I drove past the South Bay Movie Theater one morning around 10am and guess what? 3 SCPD cars sitting there doing nothing and guess what one guy had on his sleeves ... 3 blue and white stripes. Lazy lazy lazy, we should take their cars away and make them walk on foot or ride bikes like the British police, gee ever wonder why they have such great community relations?

[Guess]

[/quote]
Got that one right, once I drove past the South Bay Movie Theater one morning around 10am and guess what? 3 SCPD cars sitting there doing nothing and guess what one guy had on his sleeves ... 3 blue and white stripes. [/quote]

Hey Jackass
Two cars meeting with and being inspected by their sgt. That's his job! Since they don't report to the pct. each day but relieve in the field, the sgt. is responsible for briefing the officers, approving the paperwork they are submitting, and conferring with his/her officers on a daily basis. If you have a job, I'm sure your supervisor meets with and talks to you daily also.

[JimJam]

10-60's and voided CCs are NOT recycled in Suffolk. Punch a CC that you 60'd into the CAD and it'll show it was 60'd. Put in a voided CC and it'll show the CC it was voided to.

[in band camp]

Once I passed a hospital I saw the doctors, and they were not operating.

[one time]

I went to a baseball game, it lasted 3 1/2 hours. I saw a total of 76 pitches, 2 hits, 1 walk. The players grossly overpaid stood or sat around for hours.

[yesterday]

I saw a mexican immigrant, he had a drivers' license and a job on the books.

[the other, other day]

I saw a middle management type in a insurance business actually look like he was working.

[Ditto Head]

If you think 60ing calls is a good idea I refer you to the minutes of the Public Safety Commitee of March 2004. Stevie Wonder and his Stooge are using it against us to justify shutting cars down. Don't bitch when your assist is 28.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I agree with DITTO HEAD. Guys have to draw cc#s during their tour, most so on the mids. I would advise against 60ing calls. The numbers aren't recycled, but a 60 is basically an unfounded call. Technically, if you take any action, interview a compl, you should be writing the call, not 60ing.

Any action we take should be documented. How many times do we assist DMs, move junk out of the roadway, disperse youths that are hanging out, etc. There are TLMs, large potholes and abandoned vehicles that require the proper agency to respond and correct the situation. That's ALL a part of patrol duties too. DRAW CC#s to show these guys (Dormer/Levy) that we ARE actually out on the road doing our job. Please do not 60 calls, we are basically telling these guys that they are right , when we know they are not. They will point to the 60s and say "the police were not needed there anyway".

Let's not forget that the Dept has removed a desk officer from the 7-3 tour. 60ing calls means less paperwork up on the desk. That is one reason why they (Dept) justifies their actions..not as much work for 3 POs. Fill up the bins even more. The civilian on the 3-11 can do the typing because the desk POs are busy answering police questions, writing reports, etc. BTW, desk crews SHOULD be taking their meals too!!

I was on the job in the early 70's. Every car was in service and every footpost was manned. There are not enough troops at this time. The PC can only utilize the staffing that the county is willing to hire.


3 guys HAVE been hurt as a result of the shut down. This is a totally unacceptable action taken by PC Dormer. We are still operating in 2005 with staffing levels from the 1970's. I really hope that the SC Leg staffing committee comes out soon with its recommendations. We need a PC who REALLY knows what's going on and is not afraid to push for the addition of sector cars throughout the police district! Wake up PC Dormer!! I would love to see a vote taken whether or not the rank and file of the SCPD have any confidence in the PC. That would dispel the nonsense he's spouting how guys are telling him they think the shutting down of cars is good for officer and public safety.

My experience? Call the fire department first if you have a real emergency. Don't bother with 911. I know plenty of people who were in real crisis - they called both. Fire department got there - took care of everything - were glad to do it mind you - very professional - before the cops even turned their sirens on. Feel a heart attack coming on - take and asprin, sneeze, cough, hiccop and call the fire department. It'll save your life.

C'mon. Really. How can the FD actually get anywhere first. Before they leave the Firehouse they have to put away the race car, throw all the pizza boxes out, clean up all the beer cans, wipe the bar down and take a leak.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I'm glad to see that the public is going to be made fully aware of the dangerous conditions in the 2nd Pct due to the shut down of 5 cars!!

I truly hope that the people living there call Levy and give him a piece of their mind. I hope that no one else gets hurt because of the shut downs. We have already seen 3 officers injured because the police commissioner and County Executive could give a rats ass for the rank and file. I told my wife that I don't want either of those jerks coming to visit me at the hospital if I get hurt.

In addition to advertising the shut downs, I believe that a press conference should be held if any of our officers get injured. We have families and must go home safe at the end of each tour!! Removing officers from the road (and NO, Mr. Levy and Mr. Dormer...they have NOT been reassigned elsewhere) is extremely dangerous to the tax paying public and officers they serve.

[curious 2]

Are they happening elsewhere besides the second precinct?

take a leak :shock:

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Well, it looks as though Levy plans on shutting down more cars within the department...He says the 3rd Pct will be next. Guys, this is not a one precinct issue now. Wake up!! Forget your own agendas and work together!! Stay safe out there and remember who is the cause of this problem. Levy and Dormer are showing that they could care less about officer safety, especially on the midnight tour. 2 tour guys, please support the late tour guys...it's only a matter of time for us too!

[Sarge]

Don't stick up for the pC saying his hands are tied. It is not our fault that the county has hired enough cops to replace those that have left. It is all about the almighty dollar , nothing less. They want to cut overtime and operating costs. All because politicians like Levy make assinine promises to keep the County taxes down. I've said it before and I'll say it again that the County taxes are not what's killing us but the school taxes. Take a look at your tax bill. If you are paying 6,000 a year property taxes , at least 4500 or more are School taxes. County taxes are not even 1/3 of that , maybe 800-1000 dollars of which the police portion is about 5-600. If the county portion of your taxes went up even 10-20 percent to remedy staffing problems ( and equipment too !!! ) you are talking not even 200 dollars a year. Unfortunately Levy has no control over the school portion of our property taxes so he needs something to hang his hat on as part of his election / reelection campaign. As long as we keep doing the same job with less, and less officers, in an unsafe work place they will continue to make cuts . they will look like financial wizards. To my brother and sister Officers , stop stacking calls. One at a time is the way to go . When possible stop going into dangerous situations until your backup is there. When the taxpayers start seeing the wait time increasing dramatically for their "emergency" calls maybe they will do something about it at election time.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I couldn't agree more Sarge!

[Ditto Head]

I couldn't agrre more with what Sarge wrote. I hope more sergeants and lieutenants feel the same. I also hope they have the courage to tell their people this!!

sadly not in public they can.
you hear guys from the last 2 classes being put in cope in the 2nd?
they holding cars, both sector + spare out on hi accident utts assignments, leaving 10-15 calls for 3-11 in your pct?

[SCPD PATROL 3]

One at a time, that's all we can do. Make sure to back each other up on calls. Don't rush yourself on calls, especially domestics and MVAs. Complete your paperwork then give back your disposition. Let Hq assign the calls and if a boss has to handle a call or 2, so be it..they were once pushing a sector car too, right? Remember to take meals and get on your brothers/sisters who do not. We have a contract and we should ALL adhere to it. Above all, stay safe out there

[the sarge]

Amen Brother !

[Ditto Head]

I can think of one out of the box idea to fight Stevie Wonder and his Lying Lap Dog of a police commisioner (apoligies to all dogs out there!) How about those that live in Suffolk join their neighborhood associations and speak out at the meetings about what is happening. Point out how little Stevie is lying. Point out the obvious flaws. Ask how they like to pay 100% taxes for 33% less police coverage. Remember people, little Stevie is campaining RIGHT NOW for 2007. Let's work to defeat him!!!

I can think of one out of the box idea to fight Stevie Wonder and his Lying Lap Dog of a police commisioner (apoligies to all dogs out there!) How about those that live in Suffolk join their neighborhood associations and speak out at the meetings about what is happening. Point out how little Stevie is lying. Point out the obvious flaws. Ask how they like to pay 100% taxes for 33% less police coverage. Remember people, little Stevie is campaining RIGHT NOW for 2007. Let's work to defeat him!!!

I Agree. However I dont agree with SUFFOLK PATROL 3 on taking our time responding to domestics and MVA's. If we take any longer then we do now, we might as well not respond at all.

[Ditto Head]

Re-read what he said. He did not say take your time going to the call. He said take your time while 36, finish up ALL your paper work and then go 38. Read carefully before you jump all over someone.

I Agree. However I dont agree with SUFFOLK PATROL 3 on taking our time responding to domestics and MVA's. If we take any longer then we do now, we might as well not respond at all
Oh well, maybe they should hire more cops and stop pushing the rookies to write 30 summons a month, and pick up some calls.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I heard that this morning, there were 2 incidents (a robbery and attempted robbery of 7-11s) that required multiple units to respond and handle those serious situations. Luckily, as far as I know no one was injured. How much longer can Levy and Dormer roll the dice before more of us or the public get injured?? If, I am correct, handguns were used and shots were fired. The incidents happened after 0130. Can any 2nd Pct fficers confirm this?

As we know, Levy/Dormer are now targeting the 3rd pct for cuts (and, Mr. Dormer, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE). I can pretty much bet that similar situations are going to happen there too. Mr.'s Levy and Dormer, how are you going to explain to victims and injured Police Officers that you are not cutting services and that things are hunky-dorrey?? Oh, Iknow!! Dormer will say that the incidents were staged! He did so recently when a domestic took place in the lobby of the 2nd Pct! That's his answer?! :roll:

We had ALL better get behind each other and support each other NOW or it's over. If we don't show these misguided people how unified we are, enforce our contractual rights, inform the public and work with the politicians who are TRULY concerned for PUBLIC SAFETY as well as OFFICER SAFETY, our job is done!! Stay safe out there!!

did you see the bulletin 2/2/05 the first post was about the cuts, and how the recommendation was for deeper cuts, but suffolk in their infinite concern for public safety only want to shut down 2 cars.
they blamed our pba for not going to 10 hour tours.
yet every tour the bosses put out e-mails wanting to know how many 1100 sections we write in hi-10/10 areas. it might be time to slow it down.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Funny, they want stats like that called in. ALL summonses are recorded on the computer. This job is relying on the almighty computer for decisions such as what sectors to eliminate, but cannot apparently wait for it to spit out run of the mill stats like utts .

This job is on an everyday basis becoming more and more like NYPD with the total reliance on the computer. Can the computer tell us when and where the next robbery, serious mva, violent domestic and fight will occur? Obviously not. It is good for adding numbers and compiling data. The former for summonses , arrests, and handled calls. The latter for types of crimes committed (who, what ,when , how, and sometimes why. Just remember this, all of that data shows PRIOR INCIDENTS. It doesn't show or tell us about FUTURE INCIDENTS. The computer doesn't handle the incident, WE do. Ask the 2nd Pct how many POs were involved in the incidents this morning. These incidents could not have been predicted, but may have been PREVENTED had those officers been patrolling and not REMOVED from the mids by the department. Ask those store owners if the "money" saved by the department was worth it? Will they be receiving a property tax reduction because their coverage has decreased?

PS: Thanks Ditto Head.

no they want the stats on the summons, so dormer can brag that his regime has issued x amount of summons at dangerous intersection x.
doesnt matter that half are brake light or inspections violations, smoke and mirrors

[ANGRY PO]

BUMP

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:54 pm


no they want the stats on the summons, so dormer can brag that his regime has issued x amount of summons at dangerous intersection x.
doesnt matter that half are brake light or inspections violations, smoke and mirrors

Gee your home early!

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Any new info concerning the 3rd Pct? Any new incidents occur in the 2nd Pct that we may be concerned with?