shut down of cars in 2nd Pct

[SCPD PATROL3]

Can anyone comfirm that the SCPD is planning on shutting down (permanently) a sector car in the Second Pct? If so, what is the department's reasoning for it?

[2nd Pct resident]

we have many people running stop signs, going through red lights, tail gaiting, speeding excessively, booming car radios playing at 2am, we have more transients than ever before walking around our streets, we've had several violent crimes in the area, why now the cutback on patrols?

[2ndpctpo]

There is a rumor that two cars may be shut down on the midnight tour. 216, which covers Eatons Neck and 218, which covers the East Northport and Elwood area.

[unreality]

Unbelievable...The county is in the midst of a population explosion, and the powers at be see fit to decrease coverage! It's all driven by the all mighty nickel, folks. The county should be adding cars year round, rather than shuffling around what they have. But they will never get ahead if they continue the old boy / good boy network. They insist on flooding the job with detectives and making bosses. Don't forget that the backbone of the dept is PATROL !!!!. Example : Class of 100( yeah right) graduates the academy. Now, job wide, they :make 30 cops detectives...promote 25 bosses...lose 35 to retirement..So, net gain 10 cops on the road !!! Big Whoop. And calls for service are on the rise. But the legislators are owed favors by the bosses they promote, and it is a never ending, vicious cycle. All bull$hit folks, all bull$hit...

[Detective L. O'Grady]

They insist on flooding the job with detectives and making bosses.

You sound like a man who knows his limitations and realizes he will be stuck behind the wheel of a patrol car for his entire career.

Thanks for having the courage to be honest about your limitations. :lol:

[The Hook]

''You sound like a man who knows his limitations and realizes he will be stuck behind the wheel of a patrol car for his entire career.

Thanks for having the courage to be honest about your limitations. ''
Speaking of limitations, your knowledge of how this job ''works'' is quite limited. The way out of patrol is nothing to do with ability, and all to do with whose buddies are doing the interview.

[Detective L. O'Grady]

Speaking of limitations, your knowledge of how this job ''works'' is quite limited.

Just as limited as your knowledge of the easy to use tools provided by this board that allow people to quote each other.

The way out of patrol is nothing to do with ability, and all to do with whose buddies are doing the interview.

Thanks for advising the public that most Suffolk detectives are not qualified to perform their duties.

[words in my mouth]

never said that. just no more qualified than the next guy.
as far as my ability to make ''fancy'' quotes like you, sorry not my thing. i'll leave it to you, the ultimate lurker

[curious one]

any more news on this topic

[WI Civilian]

If Suffolk wants to save money why dont they just shut down every single SCPD and SCSD car, forget that, why not just lay off every single cop in Suffolk County? I live in a upper middle class community in the 3rd Pct. area (West Islip) and I remember when they shut down both the cars in West Islip last spring, thank god nothing happened. We have to wait long enough as it is with only 2 patrol cars for 32,000 people and 7 square miles .... most areas of that size and population would have at least a dozen officers per shift.

[SCPD PATROL3]

I heard that several cars are going to be shut down at 2300 hrs (11PM) tonight in the 2nd Pct. Can anyone confirm this?

[Ditto Head]

I think the people in those affected areas should know that they are not getting trhe service they are paying for. 100% of the taxes for 1/3 less service. When responding to a call for service, make sure the taxpayers are aware!!

[2ndpctpo]

It's true, starting tonight at 2300hrs. unit 205(East Northport) and unit 218(commack) no longer exist on the midnight tour. That is in addition to the three cars 204/213/219 that are down. If you're a criminal, come on over to the 2nd pct. we're open for business.....

[Blue Blooded]

A heartfelt thanks to Steve Levy and our wonderful Commissioner Dormer. It is good to know that as the population of Suffolk County continues to skyrocket the amount of cops on the street is decreasing. It is heart-warming to know that you really care about the safety of the public and those that protect them. Just don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.

[SCPD012]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the Second Precinct the same Precinct that had 70 shootings and had to bring in extra Cops from everyother precinct to control the shootings, and wasn't this 4 months ago/120days ago? Now they don't need all the Cops they have? Somthing is not adding up. Don't the wealthy people in East Northport and Commack need the Police too? It would surely irritate me if I paid all these taxes for the Cops to be not around my house.

[The Real wabble wouser]

Sorry to bust up your chatter but isn't this the same area of all

the Huntington shootings

where Congressman Israel and Suffolk County Legislator Cooper

gave their rallying pep talk for securing more federal funds for

fighting gangs and crime

Looks like on the one hand Israel and Cooper were giving us what

we needed

On the other hand with the fewer SCPD sector cars to patrol they

were taking it away as fast as they gave it to us


How can they do that? How stupid of me


THEY ARE POLITICIANS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[slow-down]

Sadly the reality is they are just taking away TWO cops. Those 2 cops are covering a huge area of real estate. It is a area that should have 3-4 police minimum, as the travel time from 1 end of 1 sector to the other end of the other is like 10 minutes. That is 8 minutes past way too long to wait for backup. My sympathies to the officers that work up there. Also for the good citizens that might have to wait nearly 1/4 hour for a cop. If i was a cop up there i wouldnt be doing too many car stops, or checking glass.

[ill levy]

[quote="Blue Blooded"]A heartfelt thanks to Steve Levy and our wonderful Commissioner Dormer.

The people of Suffolk should have known that this was going to happen. Steve Levy has been Anti-Police for years. So while I pay 11$1100.00 per year for police service, my car is shut down for half the day. Therefore, I should get $550.00 back. Sounds Reasonable.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

That is totally unacceptable!! Again, someone is placing the public in danger!! Who is the CO of the 2nd Pct? Apparently he is either sucking up to or taking orders from Dormer/Levy. I hope that guys are handing out the direct phone number to the inspector when they have to deal with the public. Remember, 1 call at a time, sned at least 2 cars on a call since your backup may very well be coming from the other side of the precinct!! Above all stay safe!!

[cooperspoliticalbloopers]

hey your guys/gals read this thread Jon--why less coverage


kind of hypocritical wouldn't ya say

[ncpd 2nd pct]

Start making friends with your brothers over in the 2nd pct, NCPD. See if you cant get their NEXTELS. They might be your closest backup.

[gotmy20]

I heard that several cars are going to be shut down at 2300 hrs (11PM) tonight in the 2nd Pct. Can anyone confirm this?

I was told by one of the operators of 218/219 that when they are short on the midnights, they lay up those cars first. that was last year.... when the burglaries were way up in those sectors

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Laying up those cars in light of that shows awesome Police Management skills!! Absolutely crazy!!

Any more information regarding shutdowns in the 2nd or elsewhere??

[Midnights]

You don't see cars getting shut down in Huntington Station. What percentage of the people that live there pay taxes? Not many, filled with day laborers and illegals causing most of the crime, but ironically they get all the police service while the people in Eatons Neck who pay more taxes get none at all!! What a disgusting shame!! It won't be too long for the illegals to figure out that they can go up to Eatons Neck after midnight and commit all the crime they want, hell- Asharoken isn't even allowed to go up there. Although, places like Asharoken, Loyd Harbor, Northport, etc. are the smart ones- they have their own police departments to protect them from crap like this. The Eatons neck civic association should start considering the same thing, incorporate, I bet the town of huntington would make sure that 216 was back in service overnight compared to the amount of taxes they would lose by Eatons Neck becoming a village with their own police department.

[Taxpayer II]

As ive been saying, abolish the County Police and just go back to muncipal forces, better relationships with the people due to smaller sectors, lower taxes, etc. The Sheriff's Dept. can handle countywide services and specalized work.

[back to our reality]

But we all know that isnt going to happen. Lets deal with reality instead of some fantasy world.
If somehow it did, I'm sure it would be with the current P.O.s with their salaries intact. Then we'd be paying them, the administrative and civilian workforce system per each muncipal force, plus the Headquarters (chiefs, commisioners assistant chiefs, etc). Think of all the secretaries, mechanics, supplies, doctors, maintenance, clerks, etc each town would have to hire.
Way too much overlap . Plus look at the problems with the town governments, example Islip public safety, way too much corruption.
It would be better to consolidate all the county, town,village, park LEOS into 1 force, with 1 management sytem, one set of commisioners, chiefs etc, one set of civilian workers.Then get rid of the fluff jobs like town rangers, public safety.

[wrong!!!]

so now we have more village or town police,like shelter island, less jurisdiction, less work same money. each town gets its own chief. more desk jobs. then how many deputies we are going to hire to do police work? 1,000?
when the deputies go to the bargaining table, how long you think it'll take to catch up?

[wabblewouser]

On the news tonight-MS-13 gang members have been approached by drug smugglers, people smugglers and now middle eastern terrorists.

The FBI is investigating but already several states bordering Mexico are very concerned.

Seems that within the last year over 15,000 middle eastern men and some women have been caught crossing our southern border.

Makes you wonder if our government will ever get it?

I voted for Bush, but he better wake up to the reality what open border with Mexico is doing to us socially and economically.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Any more recent shutdowns?

Last post was a good one (btw)

[2nd Pct patrol]

Isnt the 2nd pct where P.O. Mike Coshia was shot?
It sounds like they need all the help they can get.

[C.O. of the 2nd]

I heard just last night that the C.O. was transferred to a dead end detail. Someone must be pissed off.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

I guess the 2nd is still shutting down those cars. Any other shut downs elsewhere? I guess most of you heard about the department removing a PO from the desk during the 7-3 tours. I hope desk PO's remember to take a meal every tour and to have a car brought in to do meal reliefs.

I also heard a rumor that the department was looking to man the desk with light-duty( = POs without weapons) officers. Any truth to this?? Remember the incident years back in the 3rd Pct in which a woman was stabbed in front of the precinct and only light duty cops were workiing! I hope that doesn't come to be again.

[2ND PCT Patrol]

I just heard tonight that 3 officers were injured during a roll around that started as an 85, and ended with a barricaded subject, in 205 sector...... 205 sector being one of the sectors they shut down..... Well, that didnt take long.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

What does the PC have to say about that!! Nice move shutting down cars and jeopardizing officer safety!! How much money did the County save??? Time for a PC with real ideas that work!!

What does the PC have to say about that!! Nice move shutting down cars and jeopardizing officer safety!! How much money did the County save??? Time for a PC with real ideas that work!!


levy hired a commissioner that was "old School". Things are alot different out there now Mr Dormer. Do a couple of weeks in a patrol car and take some of your underlings with you.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

He has a really big problem telling the truth. I heard he actually thought the problem in the 2nd pct (Domestic that ran into the precinct itself) was staged!! I think it's time we get a new PC!!

Obviously, the man is delusional when he tells Levy that ALL the POs are behind him. He thinks we appreciate him shutting down cars so incidents occur where POs get injured. Maybe he needs meds.

[Guest 101]

Bump

[dems r funny]

In todays news its reported that in Huntington Station on the overnight shift of February 12th there were the following:

3:13 am - a stabbing at Blue Ocean Restaurant

3:24 am - a bar fight at Thunders Bar

3:49 am - a shooting at Charlie Brown's

Second Precinct had to call in extra help from precincts in Babylon, Smithtown and Islip.

Now with it only being the coldest snowiest part of the winter and the traffic accidents that ensues how can the dems take away extra police protection?

What will happen to us taxpayers in June, July and August in Huntington?

The police and the public were petroned by the dems. :twisted:

[Guest 45]

That's for sure

[summertime]

Is Dormer going to increase staffing level in the middle of the summer when people are on the streets late at night? I certainly hope so. All the late night parties with fights and crim. mis. to the neighboring houses.

[Guesta]

Only time will tell

[Ditto Head]

In the Third pct the Inspector was shutting down cars in the winter of 2004 on the mids. He was told that the OT he saved could be used in the summer to hire additional P.O.'s on OT. He went to HQ at the beginning of the summer of 2004 and was laughed at by the chiefs when he told them that he wanted to use the money saved. That should answer your question.
DORMER, UNFIT FOR COMMAND!!

In the Third pct the Inspector was shutting down cars in the winter of 2004 on the mids. He was told that the OT he saved could be used in the summer to hire additional P.O.'s on OT. He went to HQ at the beginning of the summer of 2004 and was laughed at by the chiefs when he told them that he wanted to use the money saved. That should answer your question.
DORMER, UNFIT FOR COMMAND!!

Don't be silly he wanted the money to spend on his summertime coke and hookers fund.

[The Real Wabble Wouser]

Huntingtonians have no fear, the Team of Supervisor Petrone and Public Safety Head Bruce Richards will protect us while we sleep.

In todays newspaper Petrone has said he will increase Huntington Public Safety Code Enforcement Patrols in many areas and in the village.

Kind of makes you think-- the Democrats launched a media and photo op in October to rid the Town of Huntington of all its gang problems and to increase police coverage of the area
( please don't ever mention that some gang members are illegal aliens- that's not politically correct to mention )

With the government crime statistics showing rising gang activity and crime in Huntington and then 3 months later government statistics show a decrease in crime in Huntington the Democrats took away our much needed patrols by POLICE.

Now the same Democrats are saying the Town of Huntington will increase their public safety patrols and code enforcement people ( :lol: ) due to recent problems with violence.

We definitely need a change in this town and it must come from the bottom up. It will happen. The security of citizens and police are paramount to any photo op and political correctness by politicians.

[Guesta]

Wow!

[how I'm doing]

how I'm doing so says Levy :?:

are less sector cars on midnight tour in Huntington still working out :?:

Huntingtonians have no fear, the Team of Supervisor Petrone and Public Safety Head Bruce Richards will protect us while we sleep.

In todays newspaper Petrone has said he will increase Huntington Public Safety Code Enforcement Patrols in many areas and in the village.

Kind of makes you think-- the Democrats launched a media and photo op in October to rid the Town of Huntington of all its gang problems and to increase police coverage of the area
( please don't ever mention that some gang members are illegal aliens- that's not politically correct to mention )

With the government crime statistics showing rising gang activity and crime in Huntington and then 3 months later government statistics show a decrease in crime in Huntington the Democrats took away our much needed patrols by POLICE.

Now the same Democrats are saying the Town of Huntington will increase their public safety patrols and code enforcement people ( :lol: ) due to recent problems with violence.

We definitely need a change in this town and it must come from the bottom up. It will happen. The security of citizens and police are paramount to any photo op and political correctness by politicians.

Code Enforcement Officers! Oh, yeah, right. That's where Long Island will get it's next serial killer, like the BTK killer, a code enforcement officer, too.

[M.O.S.]

What was the deal on old town rd last night? why was it closed from 83 to hawkins?some kind of police standoff, anyone shot?
What is happening out here? Its getting worse than the city, thats the 3rd hostage or barricaded scene in my area in the past 2 weeks.

[SLEEPY SIXTH]

What was the deal on old town rd last night? why was it closed from 83 to hawkins?some kind of police standoff, anyone shot?
What is happening out here? Its getting worse than the city, thats the 3rd hostage or barricaded scene in my area in the past 2 weeks
Just another night in the sleepy 6th, dont you know us county cops dont do any work, no crime, no perps.
Seriously it was a intox edp who was blasting up his home with la pistola, fun stuff E/s, Hostage negiotators, always a blast out here.

[GUEST1]

i like the post a few pages back about how the sector in 7 square miles. yes it is way to big to be patrolled by one office.... did you know that the 617 sector is 17 square miles. gordon height covered by a single operator. no crime happens in the heights though... there is no crime anywhere in the whole county... levy and dormer do not care about the safety of the patrol officer or the safety of the public. let me stop befor i say what is really on my mind about those two ...HEY STEVE MORE COPS = LESS CRIME
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THIS? PROBABLY NEVER

[You're outta line]

Code Enforcement Officers! Oh, yeah, right. That's where Long Island will get it's next serial killer, like the BTK killer, a code enforcement officer, too.


I never heard anything bad about a code enforcement officer. SCPD officers, on the other hand, are out there forcing women to walk topless.

[Icarus]

Teachers are molesting children, ditto for priests. Doctors are molesting their patients. Need I go on? It's a societal problem not limited to any one profession. As soon as we identify a bad one we get rid of him , or her. No other profession "polices" their own with as much sincerity as we do. So, are you a teacher, doctor, or priest?

[one strange ape]

Koko the female gorilla has some strange hang ups also

asking women who work with her to show their breasts to make her happy

not to be outsmarted by an ape the women are now suing Koko
and the employer idiots who defended the ape's actions :shock:

Koko the female gorilla has some strange hang ups also

asking women who work with her to show their breasts to make her happy

not to be outsmarted by an ape the women are now suing Koko
and the employer idiots who defended the ape's actions


Ohhhhhhhhh I get it, so thats why you beat your daughter?

[Icarus]

Obviously we are dealing with the immature and uneducated. The typical response from a child when he loses his argument is to resort to name calling. Our point has been made, no further discussion is necessary.

[Questions questions]

During the nights shift, when Levy wants to shut down sector cars, how many sectors are there in operation? Also, how many are on duty but not actually patrolling? (captains, seargents, leiutenants, commanders, shift supervisors, desk clerks, etc)

What I want to know is what is the exact ratio of supervisor to labor from midnight to 8am.

[madhatter]

One lieutenant, one desk sergeant, 3 road sergeants, 20-25 cops, taking vacactions and sick time into account.

[On the other hand...]

Well Levy & Dormer have begun to fight back against the misinformation the PBA mailed out to all Huntington residents. Just got in the mail today an 81/2 x 11 cardboard flier.

Very interesting points made.

Seems the sticking point here is the loss of overtime.

-82% of the crime in Huntington is committed during th eevening shift.
-Only 18% of crime is committed on the midnight shift.
-We already have almost twice the number of patrols suggested by the International Association of Police Chiefs.


Bottom line is, this issue is not about safety like the PBA wants us to believe, it's about money, which as we're all aware, is the only thing the PBA cares about.

Once Levy proves how well this works out, he'll take the next step - which will probably be redeploying even more desk jockeys out into the real world and do the "dangerous job" they're getting paid to do, not secretarial work.

Levy's finally taking the bull by the horns. Of course it's gonna buck and throw a tizzy fit - the SCPD has never had to deal with a boss that actually expected results and wouldn't cowtow for the entire department for political brownie points.

[Icarus]

82% during the evening shift, 18% during the night shift. Let's see. Some basic math tells me that 0% of the crime occurs during the day shift. So then by this reasoning I guess we should COMPLETELY disband the day shift.

[Wiseguys huh]

82% during the evening shift, 18% during the night shift. Let's see. Some basic math tells me that 0% of the crime occurs during the day shift. So then by this reasoning I guess we should COMPLETELY disband the day shift.

Nice catch. Actually I got that flier too it says 18% during the midnights and the remaining 82% during the day and evening.

82% of the crime in Huntington is committed during th eevening shift.
-Only 18% of crime is committed on the midnight shift.
-We already have almost twice the number of patrols suggested by the International Association of Police Chiefs
Ok next, why dont you tell me where and when someone will call 911.
Its pretty impressive that 130 cops is sufficient to patrol the entire geographical entity of the 5 western suffolk towns with the 1.5 million people living there.
Of course there is nothing going on out here right?
fool

[The all-seeing one]

Ok next, why dont you tell me where and when someone will call 911.
Its pretty impressive that 130 cops is sufficient to patrol the entire geographical entity of the 5 western suffolk towns with the 1.5 million people living there.
Of course there is nothing going on out here right?
fool

Why don't you just admit that until there's a 2-1 ratio of uniformed officers to civilians, you're gonna bitch? If you don't like, or can't handle the conditions of the job, QUIT.

Put your money where your mouth is. The public, represented by it's elected officials are the one who will determine your employment in regards to deployment. If that's not agreeable to you the way it is to the rest of the working world, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

You will be replaced, and quite easily I might add.

Why don't you just admit that until there's a 2-1 ratio of uniformed officers to civilians, you're gonna bitch? If you don't like, or can't handle the conditions of the job, QUIT.

Put your money where your mouth is. The public, represented by it's elected officials are the one who will determine your employment in regards to deployment. If that's not agreeable to you the way it is to the rest of the working world, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

You will be replaced, and quite easily I might add
As can you .
I dont even work nights, and I'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop.
Besides I think I'd like a ratio of civilians to cops just slightly better than 11539 to 1, maybe 11000 to 1. How about 5000 to 1?
You can deploy me anywhere, I did my stint in Iraq, NYPD and Crimedyanch, now its C.I., not much difference between the 4, as long as I have my 2 glocks, 66 bullets,I'll make it home, every day.

[Icarus]

These idiots just love rhetoric. They can't wait to say how little we do and how quickly we can be replaced. Heck, they can't even get their statistics right when they try to do more than spew. The civilians are just jealous/bitter/envious because they didn't do well enough on the "test", or couldn't pass the background investigation, or the physical, or the psych. The psychotic behavior that they show here is probably what got them eliminated in the first place. Based on some of the posts I've read it looks like some politicians are babbling here as well. They of all people should keep their mouths shut and just be content with fooling their constituency. For them to suggest that they are concerned with anything other than their next kickback or bribe is beyond lunacy.

[Huntington Point of View]

Why don't you just admit that until there's a 2-1 ratio of uniformed officers to civilians, you're gonna bitch? If you don't like, or can't handle the conditions of the job, QUIT.

Put your money where your mouth is. The public, represented by it's elected officials are the one who will determine your employment in regards to deployment. If that's not agreeable to you the way it is to the rest of the working world, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

You will be replaced, and quite easily I might add

As can you .
I dont even work nights, and I'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop.
Besides I think I'd like a ratio of civilians to cops just slightly better than 11539 to 1, maybe 11000 to 1. How about 5000 to 1?
You can deploy me anywhere, I did my stint in Iraq, NYPD and Crimedyanch, now its C.I., not much difference between the 4, as long as I have my 2 glocks, 66 bullets,I'll make it home, every day
I dont know whom died and left you allseeing one in charge of speaking for the public. And I am a member of the working world, and it isnt agreeable to myself, my family my community, because we are the experiment. Not you, when Levy does this in your neck of thewoods, then make your statement for YOU, dont speak for me, I dont agree with you whatsoever.
I for one pay my taxes and want a officer readily available at 3am as well as 3pm. I pay my taxes and have for years, I've never complained about it, but if the current administration is more concerned with having a presence in ''hicrime or hi accident areas'' which of course are low-tax areas I'm turning republican.
I got the same stupid flyer that my taxes paid for, sorry I dont buy it. I'd rather pay 600 a year for a cop in my area 24/7 than 600 a year for a cop in my area 2/3 of the time. The census thing is complete b/s. How many illegals with 40 family members living in their 2 bedroom house filled out the form? Isnt it voluntary, meaning if someone doesnt wish to take part of it, they dont have to?
A busy cop is a cop that isnt available for emergencies and cannot do his patrol while he is doing the work of 2 cops. A busy,disgruntled cop is a cop that wont do his normal patrol functions when he gets a chance because he's fed up.
As the poster statedI'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop exactly. Push comes to shove cops have those things on their belt called pistols, which most of us dont.

Why don't you just admit that until there's a 2-1 ratio of uniformed officers to civilians, you're gonna bitch? If you don't like, or can't handle the conditions of the job, QUIT.

Put your money where your mouth is. The public, represented by it's elected officials are the one who will determine your employment in regards to deployment. If that's not agreeable to you the way it is to the rest of the working world, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

You will be replaced, and quite easily I might add.


Is that what your daughter told you right before you beat her?

[Icarus]

Here's the bottom line. Eliminating two sector cars at night is not going to significantly increase or derease anyone's workload. We can only do one thing at a time, But keep these things in mind; Everything takes longer at night. During the day and evening tours there may be 55-60 cops working, including detectives, COPE and plainclothes. At night there are 20-25. Taking 2 off nights and putting them on days won't significantly reduce the workload either. They are more useful at night. At night a detective must be called from home to handle a felony. During the day and evening they are avaialble for a quick respnse. This means a sector car, or cars have to sit and wait maybe an hour or more for him to show up. One car or more to secure a crime scene, another to sit with a victim at the hospital, another to take the arrestee. Don't even try to argue why one car can't do it all. Fewer crimescene units are working at night, increasing the response time. That means the sector car must sit there longer. Ditto for wreckers to remove or impound vehicles. While these sector cars are sitting and waiting for thses support units they are unavailable to patrol or respond to emergencies. This may be important when someone calls because their husband is having a heart attack, or their infant is choking. Even if nothing is going on it means a sector car may have to travel 2-3 extra miles to get to an emergency. True, traffic is lighter at night but it may still take a few more minutes to respond even if you could go 60-70mph on a residential road. When things go bad at night they go bad quickly. The night shift cops aren't taking reports for slashed tires or broken mailboxes. They are out trying to prevent these and many other crimes so that the day tour won't have to take those reports. Cut back on night patrol and these types of things will happen more often. When was the last time anyone reponded to 300 people fighting in a bar at 11:00 AM, with gunshot victims, no less. We are professionals and we will handle whatever comes our way, but remember while we are handling things with reduced manpower somebody somewhere may need a cop and not get one as quickly as before.

[9x7]

Taking 2 off nights and putting them on days won't significantly reduce the workload either
But they are not even doing that the bodies are remaining at the night shift, not being transferred to evening shift, the CARS are being shut down on the mids, and the additional cars will run on the evenings, as long as it doesnt inccur o.t. Likewise the mids the 2 sector car operators with out cars will be relief drivers, filling in for other cops out sick, saving the o.t there. The whole thing is b.s.
Its all smoke and mirrors and the fools like The all-seeing oneare falling for it hook line and sinker, you shameful little lamb you havent a clue what kind of games stevie and richie are playibg.

Taking 2 off nights and putting them on days won't significantly reduce the workload either

But they are not even doing that the bodies are remaining at the night shift, not being transferred to evening shift, the CARS are being shut down on the mids, and the additional cars will run on the evenings, as long as it doesnt inccur o.t. Likewise the mids the 2 sector car operators with out cars will be relief drivers, filling in for other cops out sick, saving the o.t there. The whole thing is b.s.
Its all smoke and mirrors and the fools like Quote:
The all-seeing one
are falling for it hook line and sinker, you shameful little lamb you havent a clue what kind of games stevie and richie are playibg.
So on the midnights there are going to be 2 cops without cars, when you say relief drivers they fill in when the other guys go on break? Or they fill the cars when the driver call in sick or on vacation?
Either way what happens when they arent needed? Sit at the stationhouse and play cards?
Drive the bosses around?
Sounds like relief driving isnt a bad job.

So on the midnights there are going to be 2 cops without cars, when you say relief drivers they fill in when the other guys go on break? Or they fill the cars when the driver call in sick or on vacation?
Either way what happens when they arent needed? Sit at the stationhouse and play cards?
Drive the bosses around?
Sounds like relief driving isnt a bad job.

A relief driver relieves people who are not working, which includes inside jobs like desk officers who call insick or take vacation. If the enitre roster shows up the relief drives may find a spare car and do either traffic enforcement ,which on the mids is really seasonal or assist with the calls.
Sometimes they will do STOPDWI or relief a sector guy so he can do it. Or they might patrol areas that have been hit by a lot of burgs or crim mis.
If there are no spare cars to use, which on the mids isnt very common, they might double up with a sector car driver.
other things they may do is sit on a prisoner at a hospital or at the pysche ward, or the prisoner run.
My opinion is you really are doing the taxpayers a disservice if you take a sector car out of service and use the driver elsewhere, whether on the desk or on some special assignment.

[I can see! I CAN SEEEEE!!]

Ok next, why dont you tell me where and when someone will call 911.
Its pretty impressive that 130 cops is sufficient to patrol the entire geographical entity of the 5 western suffolk towns with the 1.5 million people living there.
Of course there is nothing going on out here right?
fool

Give it up will ya? With each and every post you leak a little more of the hidden secrets you're all hiding. I don't NEED to be able to predict where & when the next 911 call will come from. All anyone NEEDS to know (Who thinks LOGICALLY and not EMOTIONALLY) is that historically, only 18% of calls come in during the midnight shift.

Sure, if there's a riot at 2am you guys are gonna be in a fix. You'll need backup from other pct's and you'll have to wait and people will get hurt. Too bad. You'd be in a fix at 2 pm too. And 2 more officers or sector cars isn't going to make any difference 99% of the time.

Is your job at night gonna get a little harder, a little busier, you bet. Take your feet off the dashboard, step out of the firehouse, or leave the dunkin donuts clerk some peace and get back to work.

By the way, how many people live in Suffolk is of no concern of yours. How much crime there is, is. And 99% of the public never did a thing to draw your attention, so just focus on the 1% who do and don't worry about how many residents you'd like the public to THINK you're "keeping in line." You're only kidding yourself.

[I can see! I CAN SEEEE!]

I dont even work nights, and I'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop.
Besides I think I'd like a ratio of civilians to cops just slightly better than 11539 to 1, maybe 11000 to 1. How about 5000 to 1?
You can deploy me anywhere, I did my stint in Iraq, NYPD and Crimedyanch, now its C.I., not much difference between the 4, as long as I have my 2 glocks, 66 bullets,I'll make it home, every day.

Wonderful for you. Don't think for a minute the PBA is out there howling about this change because the public will be put at risk. The PBA exists to fleece the public out of every dime it can possibly get it's hands on. I don't pay PBA dues, YOU pay them. You're the customer. Follow the money.

Lets start by following how much overtime is going to be eliminated by this change. That's 2 more officers available to cover those who are sick or taking personal days off WITHOUT making overtime to boot.

Give it up will ya? With each and every post you leak a little more of the hidden secrets you're all hiding. I don't NEED to be able to predict where & when the next 911 call will come from. All anyone NEEDS to know (Who thinks LOGICALLY and not EMOTIONALLY) is that historically, only 18% of calls come in during the midnight shift
Thats all good and fine until its your house getting broken into, your daughter having a seizure, then its a different story.
mind your own business, if you want cars shut down in your neighborhood you volunteer

[I can see! I CAN SEEEE!]

These idiots just love rhetoric. They can't wait to say how little we do and how quickly we can be replaced. Heck, they can't even get their statistics right when they try to do more than spew. The civilians are just jealous/bitter/envious because they didn't do well enough on the "test", or couldn't pass the background investigation, or the physical, or the psych. The psychotic behavior that they show here is probably what got them eliminated in the first place. Based on some of the posts I've read it looks like some politicians are babbling here as well. They of all people should keep their mouths shut and just be content with fooling their constituency. For them to suggest that they are concerned with anything other than their next kickback or bribe is beyond lunacy.

Classic reply. So you're saying that only Suffolk residents who arent 100% behind the PBA must be people who tried, but failed to become a cop themselves? And now they're jealous and envious? Is life really all that simplistic to you? :roll:

Sure, if there's a riot at 2am you guys are gonna be in a fix. You'll need backup from other pct's and you'll have to wait and people will get hurt. Too bad. You'd be in a fix at 2 pm too. And 2 more officers or sector cars isn't going to make any difference 99% of the time
right and you know this because? 2 cops makes a world of difference, the difference between shooting someone and not shooting.
At 2pm there are 20 more cops available in the pct than at 2 am, cope, dare, crime control, detectives, sherrifs the e/s unit assigned to that precicnt, the k-9 officers assigned to that pct.

[Guinee Pig]

Why don't you just admit that until there's a 2-1 ratio of uniformed officers to civilians, you're gonna bitch? If you don't like, or can't handle the conditions of the job, QUIT.

Put your money where your mouth is. The public, represented by it's elected officials are the one who will determine your employment in regards to deployment. If that's not agreeable to you the way it is to the rest of the working world, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

You will be replaced, and quite easily I might add

As can you .
I dont even work nights, and I'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop.
Besides I think I'd like a ratio of civilians to cops just slightly better than 11539 to 1, maybe 11000 to 1. How about 5000 to 1?
You can deploy me anywhere, I did my stint in Iraq, NYPD and Crimedyanch, now its C.I., not much difference between the 4, as long as I have my 2 glocks, 66 bullets,I'll make it home, every day

I dont know whom died and left you allseeing one in charge of speaking for the public. And I am a member of the working world, and it isnt agreeable to myself, my family my community, because we are the experiment. Not you, when Levy does this in your neck of thewoods, then make your statement for YOU, dont speak for me, I dont agree with you whatsoever.
I for one pay my taxes and want a officer readily available at 3am as well as 3pm. I pay my taxes and have for years, I've never complained about it, but if the current administration is more concerned with having a presence in ''hicrime or hi accident areas'' which of course are low-tax areas I'm turning republican.
I got the same stupid flyer that my taxes paid for, sorry I dont buy it. I'd rather pay 600 a year for a cop in my area 24/7 than 600 a year for a cop in my area 2/3 of the time. The census thing is complete b/s. How many illegals with 40 family members living in their 2 bedroom house filled out the form? Isnt it voluntary, meaning if someone doesnt wish to take part of it, they dont have to?
A busy cop is a cop that isnt available for emergencies and cannot do his patrol while he is doing the work of 2 cops. A busy,disgruntled cop is a cop that wont do his normal patrol functions when he gets a chance because he's fed up.
As the poster statedI'll tell you what it will be some poor taxpayer who gets screwed by this system, not any cop exactly. Push comes to shove cops have those things on their belt called pistols, which most of us dont.

It's not the size of the population that matters, it's the degree of crime, and when that crime occurs that is the issue here. I understand you don't like being the "experimental community" but when was the last time YOU needed to call 911 after midnight?

Take a drive around and you'll see all is quiet. And these midnighters are NOT out patrolling the sleepy neighborhoods, making sure your tires aren't slashed and your mailbox isn't bashed.

And no cop is going to take over the duties of another entire sector or 2 for that matter. They're going from 18 to 16. At 2 AM you won't wait long for a cop, but you WILL wait long at 8 pm. Hence, the shift in manpower assignments.

By the way, how many people live in Suffolk is of no concern of yours.
Right as how many cops are on patrol is no concern of yours.

How much crime there is, is. And 99% of the public never did a thing to draw your attention, so just focus on the 1% who do and don't worry about how many residents you'd like the public to THINK you're "keeping in line." You're only kidding yourself.1% dont flatter yourself, nearly every person walking the streets at nights, driving about is up to something.

[I can see! I CAN SEEEE!]

Here's the bottom line. Eliminating two sector cars at night is not going to significantly increase or derease anyone's workload.

This may be important when someone calls because their husband is having a heart attack, or their infant is choking. Even if nothing is going on it means a sector car may have to travel 2-3 extra miles to get to an emergency. True, traffic is lighter at night but it may still take a few more minutes to respond even if you could go 60-70mph on a residential road.

Just as likely, with 2 extra cops on at night they might be nowhere NEAR your home.

Lets start by following how much overtime is going to be eliminated by this change. That's 2 more officers available to cover those who are sick or taking personal days off WITHOUT making overtime to boot.


Right assuming that the 2 other officers arent taking off at one point or another, how about the 2 cars on the evening tour, when those guys call in whos going to fill them for free? either way its o/t.
derrrr

It's not the size of the population that matters, it's the degree of crime, and when that crime occurs that is the issue here. I understand you don't like being the "experimental community" but when was the last time YOU needed to call 911 after midnight?


Right but emergencies tend to happen at the worst times, can you guarantee that You'll never need 911 after midnight?

[u stevie wonder]

And no cop is going to take over the duties of another entire sector or 2 for that matter. They're going from 18 to 16. At 2 AM you won't wait long for a cop, but you WILL wait long at 8 pm. Hence, the shift in manpower assignments
Thats where levys got you hornswaggled, a priority call say a injury or a felony in commision allows ALL officers to leave their current assignment, and respond, we've had calls on the evening with detectives, narcs, patrol, crime control, sgts, lts, cope all go.
At 2 am its just you and your shadow.
Dont forget also at 4 am 2 more cars go down for the busload of perps to go to court.

[u stevie wonder]

Here's the bottom line. Eliminating two sector cars at night is not going to significantly increase or derease anyone's workload.

This may be important when someone calls because their husband is having a heart attack, or their infant is choking. Even if nothing is going on it means a sector car may have to travel 2-3 extra miles to get to an emergency. True, traffic is lighter at night but it may still take a few more minutes to respond even if you could go 60-70mph on a residential road.


Just as likely, with 2 extra cops on at night they might be nowhere NEAR your home
With the 2 other cars shutdown there are areas 8-12 minutes away from the nearest backup, assuming he is in his sector or in service, otherwise it could be a 12-15 minute wait for a priority 1 police response, thats embarrassing and not justifiable.

[u stevie wonder]

Take a drive around and you'll see all is quiet. And these midnighters are NOT out patrolling the sleepy neighborhoods, making sure your tires aren't slashed and your mailbox isn't bashed.

Really what about all the folks that work at night? All the stores open? How about various Businesses like UPS or the milk or bread or paper deliveries? When you reach your grubby little hand out the front door at 7 am how do you think the newspaper got there?
I've worked the 1st and 2nd out here and do you know thruout rte 110 from Amtyville thru the industrial area to Huntington there are about a dozen Adult movie parlors with live girls, plus the strip clubs, etc? Aside from regular bars that stay open til 3 am. Do you know how many calls there are for intox guys and various problems with these quality people? How many move either from one to the next north or south?
Just because you get up the courage to look out your window before retiring at night, and you dont see anything, does not make L.I. a ''sleepy neighborhood.''
You need to get educated, and quickly about what kind of filth there is out there.

[I can see! I CAN SEEE!]

Here's the bottom line. Eliminating two sector cars at night is not going to significantly increase or derease anyone's workload.

This may be important when someone calls because their husband is having a heart attack, or their infant is choking. Even if nothing is going on it means a sector car may have to travel 2-3 extra miles to get to an emergency. True, traffic is lighter at night but it may still take a few more minutes to respond even if you could go 60-70mph on a residential road.


Just as likely, with 2 extra cops on at night they might be nowhere NEAR your home
With the 2 other cars shutdown there are areas 8-12 minutes away from the nearest backup, assuming he is in his sector or in service, otherwise it could be a 12-15 minute wait for a priority 1 police response, thats embarrassing and not justifiable.

If you're in the middle of doing nothing, in 8-12 minutes you can get from rte. 110 & 25a to Commack Rd. & Jericho EASY. If you happen to be in the middle of something, you're going to have to triage.

You don't seem to want to acknowledge anything except the possible and sometimes probable negative impacts. Let's agree that routine patrol calls are far more frequent during the evening shift than the midnights, and despite the presense of other officers like cope, there should be more during the evening than at midnight.

In an ideal world, you'd have backup at every call. I don't blame you personally for trying to maintain a standard or for trying to prevent the job from becoming any less enjoyable or more dangerous than it is. It's human nature. But welcome to the real world Officer, my world and practically everybody else in the working world as well.

I do not know to what extent Levy and Dormer intend to take this. All I know is I hope it doesn't stop at this.

It's been mentioned in many threads the police staffing levels are the same as they were when first set back in the 70's or so. What I'd like to know is what about all the brass that exists now as compared to the level of brass back in the 70's. What perks are they enjoying now as opposed to 1970?

It seems the PD has grown, in every direction except the actual officer on the street. New positions created since the 70's which do very few people any good. Maybe Levy should look to cut the fat elsewhere as well. Maybe this is just the begining of something big. Maybe it's all B.S. politicing.

Even you will have to admit - no matter what changes they make from the top, anyone affected by thise changes is going to balk. It's obvious from some of the numbers that have been presented here that the SCPD is extremely bloated at the top. More than 50% of an orginization being management is unacceptable in ANY industry. Ludicrious is a better description.

Unfortunately for the public, we don't get to see or know about the intimate inner working of a police department. And because Suffolk and Nassau are 2 of the few county-wide departments inthe country, making comparisons is difficult. But of this I am certian:

People who live on Long Island are getting fed up with the diminishing quality of life and it's increasing expense. You cannot deny some civil servants have it made, teachers being among that lot. The hissy-fit the PBA is throwing is not unlike the hissy-fits the teachers have when class size must be increased or they're asked to contribute more toward spiraling health care costs.

[I can see! I CAN SEEE!]

Take a drive around and you'll see all is quiet. And these midnighters are NOT out patrolling the sleepy neighborhoods, making sure your tires aren't slashed and your mailbox isn't bashed.

Really what about all the folks that work at night?

I know there are people out and about at night. But there's 50x that number out during the day and evenings. If 18 patrols on the day shift, and 18 patrols on the evening shift is the norm, It only makes sense to have a few less at midnight.

All the stores open? How about various Businesses like UPS or the milk or bread or paper deliveries? When you reach your grubby little hand out the front door at 7 am how do you think the newspaper got there?
I've worked the 1st and 2nd out here and do you know thruout rte 110 from Amtyville thru the industrial area to Huntington there are about a dozen Adult movie parlors with live girls, plus the strip clubs, etc? Aside from regular bars that stay open til 3 am. Do you know how many calls there are for intox guys and various problems with these quality people? How many move either from one to the next north or south?
Just because you get up the courage to look out your window before retiring at night, and you dont see anything, does not make L.I. a ''sleepy neighborhood.''
You need to get educated, and quickly about what kind of filth there is out there.

And those bars and UPS and industrial parks aren't open at 9pm? As compared to any other time, midnights are relatively quiet. I didn't say L.I. rolls up the sidewalks at sundown.

People who live on Long Island are getting fed up with the diminishing quality of life and it's increasing expense. You cannot deny some civil servants have it made, teachers being among that lot. The hissy-fit the PBA is throwing is not unlike the hissy-fits the teachers have when class size must be increased or they're asked to contribute more toward spiraling health care costs
Where is money being saved? Only if 2 cops call in sick on the midnites, then you have 2 more bodies instead of hiring o.t.
Likewise on the evening shift if 1 or 2 new cars call in sick, 1 or 2 hired on o.t.
Smoke and mirrors and you all are falling for it.

If you're in the middle of doing nothing, in 8-12 minutes you can get from rte. 110 & 25a to Commack Rd. & Jericho EASY. If you happen to be in the middle of something, you're going to have to triage
8-12 minutes after a 1-2 minute delay in the 911 call being routed, put a fork in it, its long over, most crackheads could run a mile or 2 by the time we get to the scene of a crime, if its a cpr case, dont call 911 call the morgue and a lawyer, excellent law suit

You don't seem to want to acknowledge anything except the possible and sometimes probable negative impacts. Let's agree that routine patrol calls are far more frequent during the evening shift than the midnights, and despite the presense of other officers like cope, there should be more during the evening than at midnight.
So, thats reality. Anything that negatively impacts my job impacts the people I serve. Yeah routine patrol calls, so you are undermanning a undermanned tour, even more so that a alarm that normally waits 45 minutes waits only 30.
In the meantime what about a emergency call at 3am?

In an ideal world, you'd have backup at every call. I don't blame you personally for trying to maintain a standard or for trying to prevent the job from becoming any less enjoyable or more dangerous than it is. It's human nature. But welcome to the real world Officer, my world and practically everybody else in the working world as well
We dont have a standard SCPD does, Many calls are a mandatory 2 car response. We are anticpating the day a officer waiting for his backup who is more than 10 minutes away gets into it with someone, then we got Levy+ the chimp by the gonads.

People who live on Long Island are getting fed up with the diminishing quality of life and it's increasing expense. You cannot deny some civil servants have it made, teachers being among that lot. The hissy-fit the PBA is throwing is not unlike the hissy-fits the teachers have when class size must be increased or they're asked to contribute more toward spiraling health care costs
Right, but the difference is the pba and the taxpayer are on the same side of the cueball, the taxpayer is getting less protection, and not being refunded any money, the police and the taxpayer are both being compromised. Everyone just goes against us because they think it might save then some money, somehow.
The taxes for police are put in the general fund, there is no dedicated budget for the police. When the police tax money is surplus its not held for next year, its used in the highway or whatever dept.

know there are people out and about at night. But there's 50x that number out during the day and evenings. If 18 patrols on the day shift, and 18 patrols on the evening shift is the norm, It only makes sense to have a few less at midnight
Wrong most precincts already shut down 2 cars in quite areas, the 1st has 20 cars, shut 2 at 11pm, and 2 more at 4am, so thats 16 cars, now its down to 14.

And those bars and UPS and industrial parks aren't open at 9pm? As compared to any other time, midnights are relatively quiet. I didn't say L.I. rolls up the sidewalks at sundown
Most bars dont get hopping until 9-10 pm, and dont get stupid until after 12

It's been mentioned in many threads the police staffing levels are the same as they were when first set back in the 70's or so. What I'd like to know is what about all the brass that exists now as compared to the level of brass back in the 70's. What perks are they enjoying now as opposed to 1970?

It seems the PD has grown, in every direction except the actual officer on the street. New positions created since the 70's which do very few people any good. Maybe Levy should look to cut the fat elsewhere as well. Maybe this is just the begining of something big. Maybe it's all B.S. politicing.

Even you will have to admit - no matter what changes they make from the top, anyone affected by thise changes is going to balk. It's obvious from some of the numbers that have been presented here that the SCPD is extremely bloated at the top. More than 50% of an orginization being management is unacceptable in ANY industry. Ludicrious is a better description.


Well let me see on the pct level, there is a inspector, deputy insp. captain, lt, admin lt, 5 sgts, plus a cope sgt, a crime control lt and sgt, and a couple det. sgt/lts depending on the squad.
Well over 10 precinct level supervisors, that the most I'd normally say to them is "hi". Other an a sgt signing my book, or a mandatory notification of a domestic violence call, or a call involving death or injury, I rarely have anything to do with them, and those are all calls to my immediate supervisor.
On the hq level their are a bunch of Chiefs, and assistant chiefs, then each command has a c.o. and a x.o. these could be anyone from a Insp. to a sgt, depending of the structure of the command. All of these outside of patrol lts and down get their own use vehicles as stated elsewhere. There are more commands than I could even list. Missing persons,elder abuse, computer crime, marine,Evoc, inservice training, range.
Everyone above a p.o. makes more, say 130 for a sgt, and up.And of course each car is fully equipped with all police gear, free gas free maintenance, free loaner when the car is in the shop.

[Huntington Point of View]

Well let me see on the pct level, there is a inspector, deputy insp. captain, lt, admin lt, 5 sgts, plus a cope sgt, a crime control lt and sgt, and a couple det. sgt/lts depending on the squad.
Well over 10 precinct level supervisors, that the most I'd normally say to them is "hi". Other an a sgt signing my book, or a mandatory notification of a domestic violence call, or a call involving death or injury, I rarely have anything to do with them, and those are all calls to my immediate supervisor.
On the hq level their are a bunch of Chiefs, and assistant chiefs, then each command has a c.o. and a x.o. these could be anyone from a Insp. to a sgt, depending of the structure of the command. All of these outside of patrol lts and down get their own use vehicles as stated elsewhere. There are more commands than I could even list. Missing persons,elder abuse, computer crime, marine,Evoc, inservice training, range.
Everyone above a p.o. makes more, say 130 for a sgt, and up.And of course each car is fully equipped with all police gear, free gas free maintenance, free loaner when the car is in the shop.
So a quick synapsis would be over 100 people in a supervisory position, that probably could be consolidated by 1/2. If 100 supervisors make a minimum of 130000 a year, isnt that 13 million in salary? Throw in 100 cars at 30 grand each,isnt that 3 million dollars? Lets cut the ''tit'' jobs by 1/2, now its just 6.5 million. Lets keep 1/4 of the cars, now its just 750000. Lets hire some civilians to replace those jobs, say 20 jobs, at 50 grand a year.quick guesstimate is just under 7 million, down 9 million from my original minimum figure.
Cut some commands, do you really need a separate lt and 2 sgts for emt, range, the academy and drivers ed? get rid of 4 sgts, 2lts. thats 7 grand. Put k-9 back into patrol like other Deptsin the country do, cut their admin.
Lets hit the precinct, get rid of the Dep. inspector, and the administrative lt. cut one sgt from patrol, and either crime control or cope. Thats 600 grand per precinct.
Will this ever happen? No. Instead the public will suffer, they will take my money and cut my services, and rationalize and pie chart away the facts. When the sh^t does hit the fan, due to lack of manpower on the streets, they will blame whatever police officer was closest to the scene. Hopefully, for the ''powers that be'' it will be Suffolk officer and not a Nassau or Conneticut officer.

In an ideal world, you'd have backup at every call. I don't blame you personally for trying to maintain a standard or for trying to prevent the job from becoming any less enjoyable or more dangerous than it is. It's human nature. But welcome to the real world Officer, my world and practically everybody else in the working world as well
We dont have a standard SCPD does, Many calls are a mandatory 2 car response. We are anticpating the day a officer waiting for his backup who is more than 10 minutes away gets into it with someone, then we got Levy+ the chimp by the gonads.

Slow down. Handle one call at a time. If it has the remotest possibility of needing two or more cars stand by and wait until your backup arrives and then go in together. When punching bag Patty dies while you are awaiting your backup on a violent domestic, so be it. Levy/Dormers policies will come to bite them in the ass. When it takes 10 or 12 minutes for you, your oxygen and your EMT skills to arrive when someones child is choking, husband not breathing, bleeding to death from an assault or car accident, Levy/Dormer will be tried in the press. When you play hero and go into a domestic alone and get killed because your backup was way off and you were doing the right thing by punching bag polly, no one outside your family and a few co-workers will know or care. Use the CAD as your tool to document the ridiculous distances you are going. Document from a distance on your responses. Document every time you are waiting a few blocks away for your backup so that you can go in together and put it in your book. Funny thing the Police Department has a mysterious way of losing or re-creating documents if those documents cast them in an unflattering light. As for sueing Levy, and Toto (er Dormer) if you get injured, good luck it's called Workers Comp law and the need for the employer or his rep to act with extreme gross negligence. When some widow, some grieving family gets interviewed by News 12/Newsday (preferably via interpreter for sympathy value) about they called for help and the help came too late we will see how quickly this crap changes.

[Icarus]

I can see wrote

"Classic reply. So you're saying that only Suffolk residents who arent 100% behind the PBA must be people who tried, but failed to become a cop themselves? And now they're jealous and envious? Is life really all that simplistic to you? "
Gee, I've got some nerve disagreeing with all you morons who think we are a bunch of overpaid, underworked idiots. I don't know where I get my audacity. I can just picture you sitting on a plane getting all upset because you think the ailerons should be down instead of up. Where do you get the effrontery to suggest you know how to do our job. I guess you can go speak to the FAA about getting rid of the co-pilot, that would surely decrease the price of your plane fare. After all, how often does the pilot become disabled that a backup is needed sitting next to him. You know how to do everyone's job, but your own. Come to think of it, what do all of you do. If you weren't so lazy/incompetent/overpaid/stupid/arrogant etc. my electric would be lower, my cable, my groceries, medical care, my television, my car, my clothes etc. would all cost less. Maybe we can help you with some suggestions on how to get more productivity at less cost from all you lazy, incompetent, stupid morons working in the private sector.

[Private Sector Envy]

I don't know where I get my audacity. I can just picture you sitting on a plane getting all upset because you think the ailerons should be down instead of up. Where do you get the effrontery to suggest you know how to do our job. I guess you can go speak to the FAA about getting rid of the co-pilot, that would surely decrease the price of your plane fare. After all, how often does the pilot become disabled that a backup is needed sitting next to him. You know how to do everyone's job, but your own. Come to think of it, what do all of you do. If you weren't so lazy/incompetent/overpaid/stupid/arrogant etc. my electric would be lower, my cable, my groceries, medical care, my television, my car, my clothes etc. would all cost less. Maybe we can help you with some suggestions on how to get more productivity at less cost from all you lazy, incompetent, stupid morons working in the private sector
Excellent point. For those of you whose comeback will be something along the lines of '' A cops job is so simple a monkey could do it''...1st, I doubt many biochemists or Chief justices,or such are posting here, more likely the factory worker, store clerk, middle management pencil pusher, or landscaper arguing with us.
2nd Why is it in the last several classes we've had teachers, lawyers, architects, accountants, stockbrokers, all with degrees come aboard and aside from being overwhelmed by the physical nature of the job,they are stunned by the amount of actual knowledge needed in handling calls or the most basic reports. I've handed a person who was formerly a CPA a simple accident form or arrest form with fill in the blank type boxes and he'd look at me like..help!!!!!!!!!!!!!Even more scary he couldnt even get his o/t slip right.
Not to mention knowledge of the laws, hazmat, medicine, basic drug chemistry,psychology, arson, chemicals, plus simple tools of communication, voice inflection, empathy, compassion.
Think of it this way something like 30,000 took the last test less than 500 were hired, most of those who didnt make it didnt for a reason,yes I'm sure some of those slipped thru, but I dont doubt for a second 1/2 the sour grapes posting here would jump thru hoops for the opportunity to have this job.

[2nd pct facts]

know there are people out and about at night. But there's 50x that number out during the day and evenings. If 18 patrols on the day shift, and 18 patrols on the evening shift is the norm, It only makes sense to have a few less at midnight

Wrong most precincts already shut down 2 cars in quite areas, the 1st has 20 cars, shut 2 at 11pm, and 2 more at 4am, so thats 16 cars, now its down to 14.
Close but not quite right, there are 21 cars in the 2nd pct, 3 cars were already shut down, now 2 additional cars are being closed. That is 5 cars shut down in a large town with many people about 200,000 many roads, many bars,hospitals, and a fairly active night life. There are dozens of gangs, hundreds of members, and more than 100 sex offenders, parolees and probies.Plus of course the illegals.
Again the ratio of people to cops including illegals is about 13000 to 1. Of course of the vast numbers of civilians out there only a handful will be committing crimes on any given day, But accidents happen, people get sick, houses catch on fire, alarms go off, power turns off, nature does its thing,etc. So if 2 out of every13000 people need our assistance, well there will be double the calls the mids can handle. You are right, about the prisoner run, though, at 4 am until the end of tour, 2 more cars shut down, and somehow the pct in the sleepy neighborhood loads up 5-12 criminals, that decided to committ crimes that night, and goes to court, now the ratio is 14285 civilians to every 1 cop.

When the sh^t does hit the fan, due to lack of manpower on the streets, they will blame whatever police officer was closest to the scene. Hopefully, for the ''powers that be'' it will be Suffolk officer and not a Nassau or Conneticut officer.
Hah thats funny, can you imagine? "Violent home invasion in Huntington, leaves family grieving murder of their father, who died protecting children, waited 20 minutes for a car 222 out of the 2nd pct in Woodbury, closest actual P.O. was the Conn. State Marine Bureau checking bwis in the Sound., Conn. officers could not get to scene because of the boat ''

[Plus of couse Illegals?]

When did that matter to SCPD?

Plus of couse Illegals?
When did that matter to SCPD



They matter to us just as much as you do, in our eyes you are all equals, all the same.

[All Equal?]

Illegal alien, illegal right hand turn. all equal?

It's just the laws you want to enforce.

Illegal alien, illegal right hand turn. all equal?

It's just the laws you want to enforce.
Wrong illegal alien, and you all equal.
Illegal right hand turn, I'd write you a 4 pack.
I enforce any laws I can, whether you realize it or not, only federal agents or those deputized to be federal agents can enforce immigration.
Go read up on it, so you know what you are talking about. In my world you and them are the same. Im a public servant and all of you are the public.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Today's Newsday has an article in which PC Dormer stated that the savings to Suffolk County by shutting down the 2 additional cars would be $125,000.00. Obviously, the man is OUT OF TOUCH! There are so many high ranking positions within this Dept. that if eliminated would save MUCH more money than $125,000.00. For example, can MR. Levy and Mr. Dormer tell the PUBLIC (now be honest boys) how much an Assistant Chief costs? Deputy Chief? Inspector? Dep. Inspector? Eliminating JUST ONE of those positions will save the County MORE THAN $125,000.00/ year. So why are these guys playing the public for fools. Removing 2 more officers from the midnights, who are out in the street and available to help the public as well as assist fellow officers will save $125,000.00, right? Keeping an Assistant Chief costs much more than that, and what do they do for the public? Shuffle papers? C'mon, this is a NO BRAINER!! I truly hope someone from the media seizes upon this and takes them to task over it. What can they say that would justify their actions? 2007 is coming, it will be time to remove this financially inept County Executive who is placing his distain for law enforcement over the public's safety.

[guest 5]

Oh, yeah that was worth shutting down cars..$125,000 How much do Levy's Dep. County Execs cost?

[question for COPS]

question :?: for guys/gals in blue in 2nd Precinct


When Huntington installs video cameras in and around the village area of town, will the police be the one who views the tapes or will it be up to the town's own public safety personnel?

question for guys/gals in blue in 2nd Precinct


When Huntington installs video cameras in and around the village area of town, will the police be the one who views the tapes or will it be up to the town's own public safety personnel?
Police dont work for the town, thats a town caper, it'll be a civilian or town employee civilian but not a sworn member of a law enforcement agency

[Get over it already]

Police dont work for the town, thats a town caper, it'll be a civilian or town employee civilian but not a sworn member of a law enforcement agency

And it shouldn't be. Sworn officers are paid a pretty penny NOT to be sitting behind a desk or console watching video.

You're paid to dodge bullets, and the saftey officers will direct you to exactly where the bullets are being fired from.

[just great!!!]

now we have to have local political hacks watching our every move

whether where driving or walking or just standing around town

Wonder how much this will cost the taxpayer for more town security guards to watch over us? You must be happy as a pig in sh-- Bruce?

Hey Frank and Jon and Susan how about some video cameras along New York ave between the Big H and Jericho tpk?

[Extremely doubtful]

No they won't hire more security officers. They will probably hire a video manager and a supervisor and a coordinator and a department head, but no new security officers. That's actual work.

[Yellow Blanket]

Yellow Blankets anyone?

[?????????]

yellow blanket?

[HEH?]

???????????????

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Anything new going on with shutdowns? This topic has been quiet. Have any other precincts been shutting down cars? I have heard that a few cars have gone down around 0300 in the 3rd, usually weekdays. Stay safe out there!

[Huntington Resident]

Here's a crazy concept. Have the cars patrolling in the Town of Huntington actually do some patrol. As opposed to parking two and three of them behind the firehouse and snoozing......

Here's a crazy concept. Have the cars patrolling in the Town of Huntington actually do some patrol. As opposed to parking two and three of them behind the firehouse and snoozing......
Sure you aint patti sneaking back into this conversation? If not you are just as big a moron. Just because the cars were parked then doesnt mean thats all they do. Every cars on gps and is tracked all the time, if you sit longer than a few minutes it shows.
And dont statrt with how many times you see cars sitting, heard it all before. Stop watching life, get one.

Here's a crazy concept. Have the cars patrolling in the Town of Huntington actually do some patrol. As opposed to parking two and three of them behind the firehouse and snoozing......


are yo sure it wasn't a couple of town public safety cars :oops:

Here's a crazy concept. Have the cars patrolling in the Town of Huntington actually do some patrol. As opposed to parking two and three of them behind the firehouse and snoozing......
Long Island the picture of efficiency;
Funny I went into a restaurant and saw 2 waiters standing round took 1/2 hour to get our orders taken ...
I went to the mechanic for my car, saw 2 mechanics standing around, took 3 days to get my car back.
Went to the doctor for a checkup, saw a doctor, nurse, phlebomologst and a nurses aide standing around talking, took 3 hours for my appointment to be filled.
went to pharmacy, saw a pharmacist standing around took 1/2 hour to get my prescipt filled.
Went to get a adjustment to my insurance, saw a bunch of insurance people standing around, took 38 minutes to get assistance.
Went to my accountant, saw him and his secretary just standing around, took 4 days to get my return done.
Went to my financial advisor, to change my portfolio, saw a whole bunch of do nothings standing around, took 1/2 hour to talk to anyone.
Get the picture?
If everyone who is so critical of how lazy we are supposed to be,looked in the mirror and/or did as they say, there wouldnt be any ''break rooms''water coolers, employee lounges,cigarette breaks, coffee trucks for the minions of middle management do nothings of Long Island.
Nor as many fat asses who call the cops simply because they cant get their whopper eating asses off the sofa and peed themselves.

[its over!!!]

Levy drops plan for reduced patrols in Huntington
Move comes after crime increase in first quarter

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County Executive Steve Levy has scrapped his controversial pilot program reducing overnight patrols by Suffolk police in Huntington after crime rose unexpectedly.

Instead, Levy -- whose experiment faced sharp criticism from the department's union and Huntington Supervisor Frank Petrone -- intends this year to replace dozens of highly paid sworn officers with lower-paid civilians. The move will allow the department to beef up patrols in Huntington and other precincts as needed. "We're going to be able to have our cake and eat it, too," Levy said Friday.











Jeffrey Frayler, president of the Police Benevolent Association union that had vociferously objected to the redeployment, praised Levy on Friday for reversing course. "I believe it's a win for the people of Huntington," Frayler said.

The controversy erupted in January when Levy and Police Commissioner Richard Dormer launched a three-month pilot program to move two of 18 cars in the Second Precinct from the overnight shift, when there is little activity, to add to the 21 cars on duty during busier evening hours.

But because reported crime unexpectedly went up "in both the overnight and the evening shifts" during the first quarter of this year, Levy decided to reinstate the two patrols and keep the extra staff during the evening.

"What we're going to do is go back to the 18 cars on the overnight and have it filled at the discretion of the commanding officer of the precinct," Levy said in an interview.

"I think it was a good move on the part of the county executive to staff those two additional sector cars," Frayler said.

The union chief was far less supportive when Levy rolled out the program, blasting the county executive and Dormer through a public campaign aimed at Huntington residents that included a $40,000 anti-Levy mobile billboard, critical direct mail targeting 60,000 homes and hundreds of T-shirts mocking the administration. Union officials argued that few police resources were available during the late hours to provide backup for the officers on duty.

Reacting to Levy's decision, Legis. Angie Carpenter (R-West Islip), chairwoman of the legislative public safety committee, Friday said she was "encouraged" that "even though the pilot program didn't work out out as they had anticipated, they are willing to put the resources into the community." Carpenter also heads a task force -- which Levy objects to -- that is reviewing police staffing levels in the department.

Legis. Peter O'Leary (R-Moriches) said that crime had apparently gone up in the Second Precinct during the pilot program and that the administration would be "hard-pressed to justify continuing it." O'Leary, a former longtime police detective union head, said, "When you have less cops, you have more crime."

Huntington Town Supervisor Frank Petrone, who had also criticized the redeployment, said of Levy, "I really praise him for being innovative and looking for other ways" to cover the shifts.

What a tool!

[Guest 26]

Its unbelievable how Newsday turns a terrible Levy idea into something positive.

This love affair between Levy and Newsday is absolutely rediculous. It's going to take quite a bit of work for the Republican party to show the public how inept Steve Levy really is as CE.

[JimJam]

Never any mention that Levy spent $22,000 in mailings to counter the PBAs ads, when by removing 2-POs from each midnight tour would have only only saved the county around 10-grand after 1-year. Way to go, Stevie ! Oh, and why is the increase in crime "unexpected" when you reduce the number of patrols?

[baba o]

Levy wants to save money? get rid of the commisssioner and chiefs since he runs the dept anyway........

LEVY IS A FU$%#@G MORON

never said that. just no more qualified than the next guy.
as far as my ability to make ''fancy'' quotes like you, sorry not my thing. i'll leave it to you, the ultimate lurker

[labia licker]

never said that. just no more qualified than the next guy.
as far as my ability to make ''fancy'' quotes like you, sorry not my thing. i'll leave it to you, the ultimate lurker

Nice post, YOU STUPID STUPID FICKIN' CRACKHEAD!

Should bring up minimum manning in next contract talks