Another Huge SCPD Bungle!!!!

[SCPD TRAINING SECTION]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.

[Unregistered88888888y]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.

Another street lawyer who knows everything!

[Unregistered454211]

Obviously an uneducated troll. Sorry you didn't get hired off the test you bombed. Let it go man. It's OK. FYI: You're not making yourself look good by making up quotes like that. Now take a few deep breaths.............goooood. It's ok. You can get another job somewhere. You don't have to show your jealousy like that. Do you feel better now??? Just remember. The next time the urge to look like an idiot in front of other people as an anonymous internet troll overcomes you......do the breathing excercise. It should help.

[UnregisteredCashCab]

He's dead.

Who gives a shit?

Cops involved, crime scene, and detectives got big OT.

[JimJam]

And how do you explain the guy a couple of years ago in the 6th pct who died from cocaine psychosisafter fighting with the cops. He wasn't tasered. And although a taser would have been appropriate to use in that case, none was available at the time. It's not the taser that kills people.

[itsaboutthequan]

Simple
The lesson is don't do drugs and don't resist arrest.
Why can't they teach that simple concept to kids growing up.

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Glad none of the cops are ok and perps mother is OK.

[Unregistered343434]

Read the article closely. Big dude, fights EVERY time his poor mother has to call the cops, hears voices, was ordered to comply (after having already assualted one cop) and did not. Its ashame his life was so out of control, but his death is not the fault of the reasonable police action taken.

[not blue]

Best of luck to the 3, you guys did the right thing. The libs will be out for your $$$$$ to cover up why he was not taken care of long ago.

[giveitupbuttacup]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.

There is no training that advises not to use the tazer on a guy on drugs.
In fact the same officers tazered the same guy in Sept and just like this time, it had no effect on him.

The fact is the man was violent...again as he has for the 20th time... and put all 3 cops in the hospital.
He had to be physically restrained, and was going to die anyway from the cocaine pyschosis.

[notapennyfor suffolk]

Fyi....any lawsuit involving proper use of the tazer( like this case)
The taser company not only foots the bill, but provides their million dollar lawyers

[cocaine=ugonnadie]

If it was excited delirium or as you put it cocaine pyschosis, and he wasnt transported immediately to the hospital and treated, he was going to die.

Once he fought(far more stressful then the taser shot) he was a goner.
This could be confirmed by his rectal temp, which my understanding was over the fatal limit 2.5 hours later.

but of course you know better
roll eyes

[the moron trolls]

[QUOTE=SCPD TRAINING SECTION;325197 When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.[/QUOTE]

I must have missed that part. Scpd rules and procedures, and tasers guidelines specifically advise against taser use against under 15 or over 65, pregnant women or persons with pacemakers
Tasers have been used sucessfully on high individuals many times...in fact used on the same subject last month.

He died due to his crack use and a condition known as cocaine pyschosis.
He would have died anyway.
He was 40 + years old and abusing crack for over 10 years...how long you think he had?

[UnregisteredThud]

He may had become our new boss.

[big yawnnn]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.


Wrong again. If there is a specific lawsuit due to the use of the taser, the taser company sends their own elite and very expensive lawyers and always whups the snot out of the ambulance chaser, since they have extensive tests and expensive doctors to verify their studies.
when used properly they have not lost a case

[UnregisteredThanksSteve]

And SCPD has never forgotten about me on alternate Thursdays.

[Det.Columbo]

He's dead.

Who gives a shit?

Cops involved, crime scene, and detectives got big OT.

dead shithead = case closed.

[7hours for xmas]

dead shithead = case closed.

Signed off at 1400 baby

[tooo bad]

Family is going to have a hard time suing they gave very good statements about how darryl was committing a felony vop within the house refused to comply with police orders and how violently he attacked the cops.

[UnregisteredGwenPorter]

How many OT hours for the year?

I don't work midnights. so I turned down a good amount. However my Hummer payments have always been paid from OT hours.

[UnregisteredYouKnow]

dead shithead = case closed.

I'm sending you to sensitivity training with that skinny blonde chick Candy.

[i like to bury you]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.

http://www.ipicd.com/documents/PoliceandSecurityNewsExcitedDeliriumforChiefs.pdf


the duration of struggle and the adverse physiological effects. The physiologic effects of a
TASER ECD discharge of up to 15 seconds was significantly less than that of either fleeing
(simulated with a sprint) or fighting (simulated with the heavy bag). This research shows that
the TASER ECD, as part of an overall capture plan, is a viable option to help minimize the
duration of the struggle.
b. When encountering subjects exhibiting symptoms of exhaustion,
distress or agitated/excited delirium, refer to your agency’s guidelines
for proper response. These subjects are at significant risk of arrest-related death.
Immediate medical attention may reduce this risk.
3. The primary risk of serious injury or death during ECD deployment is risk
related to falls. Users should be reminded to avoid deploying ECDs on
persons on elevated platforms or other places where a fall can be more
injurious.
This bulletin should be distributed to all ECD-certified offic

[i like to bury you]

TASER Product Liability Litigation Risk
While TASER International, Inc. has been named in a number of product liability lawsuits arising
from law enforcement use of the TASER ECD, TASER International is also successful in getting
dismissals, summary judgment or favorable jury verdicts in 51 lawsuits to date with more
expected. The suspect injury or death lawsuits are frivolous and the plaintiffs have been unable
to prove that the TASER ECD is defective or was an unjustified cause of any injury or death,
both of which are essential elements to establish product liability. Autopsy reports and medical
experts have determined that the cause of in-custody deaths have been due to complications
from drug intoxication or pre-existing medical conditions and not from the TASER ECD.

[i like to bury you]

The key to our success in defending this litigation is the fact that the general safety of the
TASER ECD has been well established by over 80 medical and safety studies and innumerable
historical related research and literature. Included are studies performed by the United States
Department of Defense, the governments of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, as well as
the University of Minnesota Medical School, University of Missouri, University of Washington
School of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, University of California San Diego Department of
Emergency Medicine, University of Wisconsin-Madison, the U.S. Army Center for Health
Promotion and Preventive Medicine, Penn State Applied Research Laboratory, Medical
University of Vienna, The Alfred Hospital, Hennepin County Medical Center, the Potomac
Institute, Zurich Switzerland Police Scientific Service, and the University of Ottawa Heart
Institute, among others.
In addition, we have over 40 nationally and internationally renowned medical and scientific
experts who have all determined that TASER ECDs have had no causal relationship in any
suspect injury or death. With the overwhelming evidence supporting the general safety of
TASER technology and the inability of the plaintiffs to show a product defect or any causation
between the TASER ECD and an injury or death, we currently have not lost any product liability
lawsuit.
As a result, there has been a marked decrease in the rate of new litigation filed against TASER
International, the number of pending lawsuits is decreasing, and we plan to add to the 51
lawsuits that have already been dismissed or verdicts rendered in favor of TASER International.
Law Enforcement Excessive Use of Force Liability and Litigation Risk
Law enforcement agencies battle excessive use of force litigation. These lawsuits are brought
under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, and related state law claims, which encourages litigation against law
enforcement agencies since plaintiff’s attorneys are entitled to an award of attorneys fees under
the Attorneys’ Fees Award Act of 1976 (42 U.S.C. § 1988). In addition to civil liability under
these Federal and state statutes (including punitive damages), law enforcement officers who
use force on people are also subject to criminal prosecution (federal and/or state) and
employment practices liability (disciplinary actions against officers for use of force, including
termination).
The TASER ECD has played an important role in reducing excessive use-of-force litigation
against law enforcement agencies and individual officers and, consequently, related criminal
prosecution of officers and employment practices liability. Statistics from law enforcement
agencies show a marked decrease in excessive use-of-force claims when TASER ECDs have
been deployed. The reason is simple: Suspects are not getting injured as often in the course of
arrest or control when the TASER ECD is used.
The risk of injury to suspects during arrest has increased in recent years due to the U.S. drug
epidemic. Fresno (CA) and Olympia (WA) report that over half of the suspects arrested were
under the influence of drugs or alcohol. A suspect high on drugs typically will not comply with
law enforcement commands, will resist arrest and can be impervious to pain. As a result, pain
compliance tools such as impact weapons and pepper spray are often ineffective and injuries
typically ensue when additional and higher escalations of force are resorted to. For example,
Denver (CO) reports a 100% injury rate to suspects from canines, 71% injury rate from impact
weapons, and a 66% injury rate from strikes and takedowns.
The

[A PERSON WHO CARES]

He's dead.

Who gives a shit?

Cops involved, crime scene, and detectives got big OT.

F---K you may your mother die , if not your kid , asshole . Shame on you

[UnregisteredKerik]

Glad I sold the stock at its high.

[luv2taze]

very surprising that the editors of newsday printed a story that made the cops sound completely justified in their actions... nice job guys, get well, and thank you. that's one less shithead society has to deal with. ever.

[make me laugh]

Fyi....any lawsuit involving proper use of the tazer( like this case)
The taser company not only foots the bill, but provides their million dollar lawyers

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah right.

Next thing youre going to tell us is that liquor companies pay for the defense of someone charged with DWI...or gun manufacturers pay for the defense of people who illegally shoot their guns off.

Counter trolls like you are a hoot.

[laugh clown laugh]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah right.

Next thing youre going to tell us is that liquor companies pay for the defense of someone charged with DWI...or gun manufacturers pay for the defense of people who illegally shoot their guns off.

Counter trolls like you are a hoot.

Laugh all you want. It's true.
It is in the company's best interest to defend the use of their product. They have done it before, and will do it again. The family wont see a cent, and the taxpayer saves money because there is one less welfare dependent shithead on the planet.

[its true.....]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah right.

Next thing youre going to tell us is that liquor companies pay for the defense of someone charged with DWI...or gun manufacturers pay for the defense of people who illegally shoot their guns off.

Counter trolls like you are a hoot.

Thats not bs, if you go for taser inservice the staff tells you that.
If you dont believe call and ask.
It makes sense, why risk the reputation of your product with the likes of our county attorney? They have a legal staff, all they do is defend their product...I thinkone of the posts from taser sight evensays how good they are

[right here chuckles]

TASER Product Liability Litigation Risk
While TASER International, Inc. has been named in a number of product liability lawsuits arising
from law enforcement use of the TASER ECD, TASER International is also successful in getting
dismissals, summary judgment or favorable jury verdicts in 51 lawsuits to date with more
expected. The suspect injury or death lawsuits are frivolous and the plaintiffs have been unable
to prove that the TASER ECD is defective or was an unjustified cause of any injury or death,
both of which are essential elements to establish product liability. Autopsy reports and medical
experts have determined that the cause of in-custody deaths have been due to complications
from drug intoxication or pre-existing medical conditions and not from the TASER ECD.

51 lawsuits....

[thought so.....]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/coram-man-dies-after-police-use-taser-on-him-1.1589572

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.

Can you post a link or anything closely resembling a factual statement from scpd where they forbid the use of a taser on a subject that is high on cocaine?
And why just cocaine? Wouldnt any of the illicit drugs that cause your heartrate to go up be considered off limits?
The same guy was tazed in September, where those police charged departmentally for it?
Are they going to be charged this time? If what you are saying is true wouldnt there be a degree of criminality aside from the dept charges?
Isnt it a fact that both times the taser had no effect on the subject?
That the police had to use physical force?
Isnt it a fact that a violent struggle, has been proven in a court of law, to be far more taxing on a heart than a enounter with a taser?
Isnt it a fact that if a subject is truly in a extreme physical state referred to as cocaine pyschosis that he will die unless treated in a hospital within a brief window of time? That even being given "Narcan" by a paramedic is not enough?
Isnt it true 100s of people die from cocaine pyschosis without being tasered, or fighting with the cops? That the end result of cocaine pyschosis is cardiac arrest?
So why the illinformed, ignorant and pitifully stupid spin?
Are you a troll? Are you jealous of scpd?
Do you hate them because you have a crappy life?

[psychic network]

I thought the cops were trained to use their super ESP and x-ray medical vision to look inside the shitheads bloodstream and determine what drugs he was on before they did anything.
It's true.
I read it on the report!

[DontTaseMeBro]

excited delirium was around before tasers and death ensued just from a perps violent resistence and struggles with law enforcement. Tasers did not introduce new results. Don't do drugs, don't fight the Police and perhaps the outcome won't be so unfortunate.

[Unregist614ered]

excited delirium was around before tasers and death ensued just from a perps violent resistence and struggles with law enforcement. Tasers did not introduce new results. Don't do drugs, don't fight the Police and perhaps the outcome won't be so unfortunate.

You mean dont fight the police high on drugs every couple months for a decade....because you can ask the 614/621 operators who had to fight him many times.
Many of them and the other cops in the 6th are suprised he lasted this long.
Being 40+ years old and a crack head is a feat in and of itself

[Unregistered55606788]

The next time this happens the cops should use some Verbal Judo.

[Unregistered123455666777]

You mean dont fight the police high on drugs every couple months for a decade....because you can ask the 614/621 operators who had to fight him many times.
Many of them and the other cops in the 6th are suprised he lasted this long.
Being 40+ years old and a crack head is a feat in and of itself

I know your a cop and are standing up for your fellow officers. I agree with you completely. But it stinks being addicted to crack, when you go far enough down that road its hard to come back. I know a few crack addicts, and one in particular has me sad as all hell for his life. Couldn't be a nicer guy but just can't stop doing it. Has been to rehab a million times but can't shake it. He doesn't steal, never harmed anyone in his life but he can't fix himself up so that he can live normally again. Real sad. This guy who was tasered, he had it coming. Its a shame because no one grows up thinking I want to be a crack head for the rest of my life and do nothing but tarnish my family's name. But he got what was coming to him, and unfortunately his body couldn't take it any longer. When a cop see's a guy attacking his own mother, what choice does he have but to intercede.

[it hurts...ouch]

oh no, a anon troll is harshly criticizing scpd polcies and procedures on the shwantz report.....lol

[hohum trollneedstraining]

Here we go again, three super cops didn't want to get their hands dirty and just physically subdue this skid, .

And why should they? Darrly Baines is a huge man 6'3'' 240 pounds and high on cocaine, why on earth would anyone want to fight hand to hand with him or anyone?
Think of it this way, in most resisting situations, someone ends up hurt, sometimes they all do. A taser shot is 5 seconds of pain and its over, its certainly better and more efficient then a maglite to the cranium. By Scpd's rules and procedures, the taser is the equivalent of hands on, that is you can use the taser anytime you need to use your fists.
Sorry kid, you are wrong.
QUOTE=SCPD TRAINING SECTION;325197
so even though the 911 caller told dispatch that the subject was high on COCAINE, these geniuses decided to contradict the training they received and Taser him anyway, either because they were too scared, too lazy or just don't have the experience in dealing with violent subjects during cocaine psychosis. .[/QUOTE]

There was no training received by these guys that stated do not use a taser on a subject high on cocaine. The use of tasers are restricted from the really old, young, pregnant, or with a pacemaker or other cardiac related equipment.
The cops involved were there before, and had tasered him before, and work the Gordon hts area, accounting for over 200 arrests between the 3 of them a year. In this case the taser had no effect. And the cops went hands on with him and overpowered him.
Perhaps you dont know that much, but if you are in the state referred to as coke pysche, you are going to die from a heart attack, unless you are subdued and transported to the ER. And yes there was a paramedic on scene
Again, you are wrong kid.

QUOTE=SCPD TRAINING SECTION;325197][url]. When they received their Taser training they were specifically told "NOT TO UTILIZE THE TASER ON SUBJECTS HIGH ON COCAINE BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE DEATH!" Taxpayers get ready to open your pockets wide because of the SCPD yet AGAIN.[/QUOTE]

No, you are wrong. There is no directive prohibiting use of tasers on individuals that are high, and the taser does not "cause death" of those high on drugs.
And the taser company will be picking the tab up for the civil suit, if there is one.

[Unregisteredstfutroll]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah right.

Next thing youre going to tell us is that liquor companies pay for the defense of someone charged with DWI...or gun manufacturers pay for the defense of people who illegally shoot their guns off.

Counter trolls like you are a hoot.

The taser company most certainly will defend the cops and its product in court.
Why you may ask?
The county will sell out to the family the price of the civil trail, usually 30-80k.
The taser company will come in with its lawyers providing extensive tests, and doctors who will overwhelm Shapiro and Rubenstein or whatever local firm the family scrounges up.
They'll win and continue keeping the reputation of their merchandise withuot a blemish.
They dont trust the county or the dept.

[TASER International]

Taser has backed away from assisting customers during litigation and instead has in fact issued numerous warnings recently adjusting their original stance on their product. Such as; "don't aim for the chest as this has now been said to be the cause of a significant number of heart attacks". They do advise against using the taser on subjects suffering from cocaine psychosis, but the results of recent studies do NOT support the ascertion that this can cause death. One must also remember that whenever deadly physical force is authorized, (as in to protect a member of the public at large or another Police Officer), all the rules about where you can hit the guy or what you shoot him with go right out the window. This guy warranted deadly physical force to stop and defeat him in his attempts to kill the Officers and as a result he was tased and died.

BOO F-CKING HOO !

DPF was authorized, less than lethal force was used and it caused death - no problem here, unless you are a troll who doesn't understand the Law.

[my EDW]

Taser has backed away from assisting customers during litigation and instead has in fact issued numerous warnings recently adjusting their original stance on their product. Such as; "don't aim for the chest as this has now been said to be the cause of a significant number of heart attacks". They do advise against using the taser on subjects suffering from cocaine psychosis, but the results of recent studies do NOT support the ascertion that this can cause death. One must also remember that whenever deadly physical force is authorized, (as in to protect a member of the public at large or another Police Officer), all the rules about where you can hit the guy or what you shoot him with go right out the window. This guy warranted deadly physical force to stop and defeat him in his attempts to kill the Officers and as a result he was tased and died.

BOO F-CKING HOO !

DPF was authorized, less than lethal force was used and it caused death - no problem here, unless you are a troll who doesn't understand the Law.

I just went to taser training. you are full of shit.

[ohh baby]

No one seemed to mention a sgt was on scene during the skirmish.....

[e.d./c.p.]

Taser has backed away from assisting customers during litigation and instead has in fact issued numerous warnings recently adjusting their original stance on their product. Such as; "don't aim for the chest as this has now been said to be the cause of a significant number of heart attacks". They do advise against using the taser on subjects suffering from cocaine psychosis, but the results of recent studies do NOT support the ascertion that this can cause death. One must also remember that whenever deadly physical force is authorized, (as in to protect a member of the public at large or another Police Officer), all the rules about where you can hit the guy or what you shoot him with go right out the window. This guy warranted deadly physical force to stop and defeat him in his attempts to kill the Officers and as a result he was tased and died.

BOO F-CKING HOO !

DPF was authorized, less than lethal force was used and it caused death - no problem here, unless you are a troll who doesn't understand the Law.

Taser has stated that the use of taser in the chest region has a very low risk of causing a cardiac episode in those with preexisting conditions in their sutdies. They never said it causes significant heart attacks

The taser company actually advise to use the depts guidelines when dealing with excited delirium.
The issue with E.D./C.P. is that the subject is going to die from cardiac arrest anyway, unless subdued and treated in a medical facility. The subject usually is not reactive to the pain as a normal person would be.

The taser used did not cause death. What caused death was a heart rate of over 200 bpm, a core body temperature of over 105, in a man who was 43 years old and had a decade or longer drug addiction. Typical of ed/cp
Then the physical fight and no doubt having 3-4 cops sitting on his back as they cuffed him restricting his breathing, that was far more stressful then the taser which had minimal effect on him.

[read it here ed/cp]

http://www.ipicd.com/documents/PoliceandSecurityNewsExcitedDeliriumforChiefs.pdf


the duration of struggle and the adverse physiological effects. The physiologic effects of a
TASER ECD discharge of up to 15 seconds was significantly less than that of either fleeing
(simulated with a sprint) or fighting (simulated with the heavy bag). This research shows that
the TASER ECD, as part of an overall capture plan, is a viable option to help minimize the
duration of the struggle.
b. When encountering subjects exhibiting symptoms of exhaustion,
distress or agitated/excited delirium, refer to your agency’s guidelines
for proper response. These subjects are at significant risk of arrest-related death.
Immediate medical attention may reduce this risk.
3. The primary risk of serious injury or death during ECD deployment is risk
related to falls. Users should be reminded to avoid deploying ECDs on
persons on elevated platforms or other places where a fall can be more
injurious.
This bulletin should be distributed to all ECD-certified offic

Go read for yourself what taser does or doesnt do.

[slowitdown skippy]

Taser has backed away from assisting customers during litigation and instead has in fact issued numerous warnings recently adjusting their original stance on their product. Such as; "don't aim for the chest as this has now been said to be the cause of a significant number of heart attacks". They do advise against using the taser on subjects suffering from cocaine psychosis, but the results of recent studies do NOT support the ascertion that this can cause death. One must also remember that whenever deadly physical force is authorized, (as in to protect a member of the public at large or another Police Officer), all the rules about where you can hit the guy or what you shoot him with go right out the window. This guy warranted deadly physical force to stop and defeat him in his attempts to kill the Officers and as a result he was tased and died.

BOO F-CKING HOO !

DPF was authorized, less than lethal force was used and it caused death - no problem here, unless you are a troll who doesn't understand the Law.

Taser will not back off defending its product when used correctly. Understand this, you get a local yokel da or county atty with no experience in taser related issues, fighting a good civil ligitation lawyer and the defendant/ police dept loses, you now have a precedent for all future lawsuits.
Taser does extensive testing and has lawyers that only handle taser civil suits.
Based on these tests taser issues guidelines for its useage, and has done so since its inception. Not just recently.
Less then lethal force was used, BUT there has been no determination of the cause of death. If it was in fact excited delirium, then whether the man was tasered or not he was going to die within the hour.
My understanding is the guy was fighting, but there was no mention of dpf, where did that come from? Just because you are in a dogpile doesnt mean you can transition to dpf.

[UnregisteredWGAF]

Is the man still dead?

[basically]

Is the man still dead?

basically for now i think maybe