fd racing, what do you think?

[fd racing]

what do all of you think of fd racing? does it raise the insurance for fire districts? which in essence raises the taxes for the taxpayer. is it safe? do the members join for this reason alone?

[used2b13]

:twisted: Waste of tax $$$ :twisted:

[ProEMT]

Its a total waste of time. What about the first aid competitions for the VAC's, at least these teach some usable skill to the kids. As far as racing, lets see the volly FD race to the scene of an ambulance call

Lets see the volly emt race into a working house fire.... :roll:

[ProEMT]

It seems that guest has a problem with my post. Well lets see if any FD in Suffolk county can show the statistics where a "16" was covered and the following 13-35 had to be 24rd due to too many ff on the medical call.

[FD/EMS]

ProEMT- In a perfect world every call would be answered right away. Ours is not perfect. But don't get confused about EMS and firefighting. They are two different jobs and should be treated as such. When you are responding to an EMS run you are not a firefighter, nothing is burning, you are part of the EMS system. Just because most Fire departments also have ambulance services they are not the same thing. If someone wants to vollenteer thier time to put out fires and respond to fire calls and only fire calls thats thier choice. If they choise to handle ambulance calls they do so as part of an EMS system and not as a firefighter. Don't look at FIREFIGHTERS when ambulance calls get 24'd, look at your fellow EMS personel. Yes some of these people are in both systems, but some are not. Rember they are two compleetly different jobs.

[ProEMT]

Yes fire and EMS are two different systems. That is the problem. how many fire depts handle EMS? If the BOC decided to combine the two, any member is not only fire or EMS. If it was that way EMS members wouldn't need any firematic training. So, if the department handles fire and EMS, the members are to be held to the same response status for either. All departments who do dual response average more EMS calls than fire, so lets handle the primary job first, and the statistics say the primary job is EMS

[FD/EMS]

Many department are fire only, or EMS only, or both. Do not look at firefighters when talking about EMS calls. I have done both for 18 years now. I know the difference. It does not matter if the department has both fire and ambulance, people will respond to the calls they want to. Firemen and women will resopnd to fires. Not to get off the subject to much, if departments want to be involved in raceing then great for them. We don"t get paid for this so lets have some fun :D

[fd racing]

fun is what you have on the weekend with your family and friends, not at the cost of several thousand taxpayers. if you dont agree, then you are just ignorant, as well as a person who just doesn't like to rock the boat. that is fine to, however, don't speak if you are not going to speak intelligently

[EMS300]

:roll: WOW! Is there ANYTHING that you IDIOT'S don't find fault with?

[racingrules]

Yeah, too bad a lot of teams aren't funded by the fire district. We pay our whole budget out of pocket and through fundraisers and the kind donations of other teams...

[ProEMT]

Yes you fund it through fundraisers and donations. But, you never tell the public what their donation will be spent on. When you send out your bi yearly mailer begging for money, why don't you list what the donations will be spent on. Since tax district money covers the operations of a department, the donations are used to cover, parties, racing teams, etc.

[EMS300]

Yes you fund it through fundraisers and donations. But, you never tell the public what their donation will be spent on. When you send out your bi yearly mailer begging for money, why don't you list what the donations will be spent on. Since tax district money covers the operations of a department, the donations are used to cover, parties, racing teams, etc.

If you paid attention you would know that MANY Fire Departments DO NOT mail out their donation slips. Most go door to door so that the public can see the people who volunteer in their towns. The racing teams usually HOLD fundraisers at the fire house. Most are "fun nights" like a night at the races or Casino night. These events are advertised and the public is aware of them. The other departments with racing teams are invited and MOST of the money comes from them. Donations are made through the price of the ticket to get in AND from the raffles that are bought at the event. Get your facts straight and find someone else to bash. Fire Department Racing teams are a close knit group and everyone helps everyone else out.

[WHAT THE #@*!]

Yeah, too bad a lot of teams aren't funded by the fire district. We pay our whole budget out of pocket and through fundraisers and the kind donations of other teams...

IF THAT IS SO THEN YOU HAVE SOME GEREROUS NEIGHBORS!!!!
WHEN THERE IS A CERTAIN DEPT.S IN SUFFOLK COUNTY THAT'S SPENDING: $48,000 FOR AN ENGINE FOR THE "C" TRUCK ONE YEAR
$89,000 FOR A NEW "C" TRUCK THE VERY NEXT YEAR
$100,000 FOR A NEW KENWORTH AND TRAILER TO PULL THESE USLESS "TRUCKS", THAT ONLY GET USED FOR 3 MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF TRUE FIRE FIGHTING TOOLS, EMS SUPPLIES, AND TRAINING THAT COULD BE PURCHASED AND USED INSTEAD OF THESE WANNA BE NASCAR REJECTS.

EVEN BETTER IS THE "FIREFIGHTER" THAT ONLY COMES AROUND THE POINT QUARTER BEFORE DRILL SEASON SO THAT HIS POINTS ARE HIGH ENOUGH FOR HIM TO RACE THAT SEASON. GOOD JOB USLESS

All of you should get a friggin' life. All you Islanders are the same liberal s-heads. You people are not happy unless you are complaining. Who gives a rats ass how the money is spent? If you care that much, GO TO THE PRESS....Unless there are stones in YOUR glass house too...

[Liberal s-head]

Yeah the press does such a good job representing the problems of the EMS system. Newsday does their one story a year about a delayed response, than quotes whinning fire chiefs about having to report response times. Remember the news 12 in depth program about the problems of EMS and fire? Anybody remember if they actually answered a serious question about the complaints of the tax paying people.

[tired/FD]

It just seems to me that all the people on the outside looking in are the ones that have a problem with FD racing teams. One person wrote that fun is what you do with your family on weekends. It is pretty clear that this person has never been to a race, it is all families. There are more kids playing and enjoying themselves then adults. And for all the people who say that the money spent on racing is taking away need equipment from fire departments, I chalenge you to sight one example. No board would ever risk doing that. They would be in jail. So let them have there trucks and races, if thats all it takes to get people to join and protect there comunity so be it. The alternative ( going paid ) will cost us a LOT more.

[Really tired]

I don't think anyone thinks a dept diverts resources to racing teams. That is what the fundraisers are for. If the depts don't explain where the donations are going, too bad for an unsuspecting public. As for a paid fire dept; please there is absoultely no reason for a paid fire dept in Suffolk County. When a dept can't respond to there 200-300 fire related calls ( how many false alarms ) then maybe a consolidation of local depts is needed.

As for paid services, EMS is what is needed to be paid, espically when a fire dept that runs 200 fire related calls is refusing to admit that the EMS company that runs 1200 calls a year is the reason the dept is there.

[not a waste!!! BS]

lookey here, people are wondering if their over inflated tax dollars are a waste. YOU BET YA. Look at some of these departments rolling in with semis to tow their so called fire trucks. PLease all you racers face up, open a bud, kick back inyour private members only access and relize how good you indeed have it.

[likenit]

Hey I'll admit it we got it pretty good. I'm liken it. Hey taxpayers for all we do this buds for you!

the racing is awaste of time and money most of the guys are not active members are just there for racing send them all to mastic

how come they havent abolished racing? how long has racing been around? how much is your actuall fire tax? how much is your library tax?

[pro fd raceing]

i think fd raceing is good for the fire dept
if you think it is a waste of money talk to your school broad about a waste of money
firefighters need to have some fun

how many depts. have racing teams?

[pro fd racing]

i would say about 40 depts between nassau and suffolk, which is not much

[pro fd racing]

motorized is not the only type of fd racing there is. we do have juniors that race also. the whole point in the juniors progam is to get kids involed in the volunteer fire dept, in the future they will be firefighters. since there is a shortest in volnuteers this is a fun way to get kids involved. there are about 20 junior fire dept racing teams. i did it for 8 years and i would not trade it for anything else in the world

[I smell a RAT in house]

right after they graduate from the juniors, we can teach them bottle openers 101. please, cut your bs. the sad thing is I really think you believe it too.... There are some great fireman in racing, but there are more loafers, riding the wave, catching a freebie, skating by, why the other members must work to make their losap. Don't stand around and preach, stop being a DOORSTOP, and preach response, firematics. Not just when the December cutoff comes

[pro fd racing]

i agree with you.
most of the problems are that the fire depts dont support the hard working kids and they end up being chased away. that is not good for the fire depts

[pro fd racing]

do you think fd racing is really a waste of tax payers money?

how do you stop beinga doorstop? were people saying tha racing was a waste of tax dollars 50 years ago?

[Gadfly05]

This is an issue which needs to be addressed once again.It cracks me up when. I read these postings about the Fire Department and how we should deport ourself.....When people say we should stop Fire Department Racing WHY? if you ask them do they tell you the reason that the Departmentd should stop .Is it because of money is that the justification..Then our Schools should end Team sports......I will pay the price for Fire Department Racing any time, if given a choice because We pay nothing for Fire Department racing. If anybody thinks diffrently their "severely mentally disturbed.Also most people who know nothing about Racing and what it means to the Departments who race...Racing is legitimately a part of the Volunteer Fire Service as
Bag pipe band(s) are to both New York State Law enforcement agencies.These officers are paid to march with these bands as well as the NYCFD Band..and do a commendable job I'm very angry about the way people look to deport themself at our expense in our community it isn't right...remember the people who are members of your Fire Department, are Volunteers thats right don't forget that skippy. And don't forget we are Taxpayers giving something back to our community not sitting back "talking what ever ", then being judgemental, about how others deport themself .I direct this post at anybody who suggest in any way that the Volunteer Fire Department(s) would demonstrate anything other then "exemplary behavior" of any kind . The Volunteer Fire Service will be repeatedly hit on the head before they will defend themself.It is time that we the Volunteer Firefighters start defending ourself.And for the record every time I defend the Volunteer Service this thread bands me....So if you don't hear from me after this. I will be off too the side......... :roll:

[Gadfly05]

This is an issue which needs to be addressed once again.It cracks me up when I read these postings about the Fire Department and how we should deport ourself.....When people say we should stop Fire Department Racing WHY? if you ask them do they tell you the reason that the Departmentd should stop .Is it because of money is that the justification..Then our Schools should end Team sports......I will pay the price for Fire Department Racing any time, if given a choice because We pay nothing for Fire Department racing. If anybody thinks diffrently their "severely mentally disturbed.Also most people who know nothing about Racing and what it means to the Departments who race...Racing is legitimately a part of the Volunteer Fire Service as
Bag pipe band(s) are to both New York State Law enforcement agencies.These officers are paid to march with these bands as well as the NYCFD Band..and do a commendable job I'm very angry about the way people look to deport themself at our expense in our community it isn't right...remember the people who are members of your Fire Department, are Volunteers thats right don't forget that skippy. And don't forget we are Taxpayers giving something back to our community not sitting back "taking what ever I can", then being judgemental, about how others deport themself .I direct this post at anybody who suggest in any way that the Volunteer Fire Department(s) would demonstrate anything other then "exemplary behavior" of any kind . The Volunteer Fire Service will be repeatedly hit on the head before they will defend themself.It is time that we the Volunteer Fire Department start defending ourself.And for the record every time I defend the Volunteer Service this thread bands me....So if you don't hear from me after this. I will be off too the side......... :roll:






do you think fd racing is really a waste of tax payers money?

[pro fd racing]

well said gadfly05

[looking for a clue]

anyone have the tape from carle place from the 2002 torney with the chick from suffolk.

[pro fd racing]

if anybody thinks that fd racing is a waste of tax payers money
well let me tell you this. the f.d.n.y. and the n.y.p.d. play hockey for fun and get paid for it. so why is it different when it comes to volunteers. people need to get there heads out of there a** and support volunteers. you pepole do not pay that much money in fire and e.m.s. tax

my dam library tax is more than my fire tax

[FDNY Pro hockey player]

So NYPD and FDNY get paid to play hockey, football, soccer, etc... I think you need to pull your head out of your ass pro fd racing and look for some facts. Players don't get paid to play, they are paid to be a member of the dept, and are not on duty when playing.

[pro fd racing]

ok a**hole whats are point
my point is that paid firefighters play hockey and other sports for fun
volunteer firefighters race to have fun so i do not understand why people are so up set that volunteer fire depts race.

[pro fd racing]

if you think fd racing is a waste of tax payers money your wrong.
i pay 300$ a year in fire and e.m.s. tax. my poperty taxes are 9,000$ a year and i can even get my road plowed when its snows. so whats really a waste of tax payers money?

anyone have the tape from carle place from the 2002 torney with the chick from suffolk.
what was Paula with the Carle Place team too ??

[FDNY Pro hockey player]

ok a**hole whats are point
my point is that paid firefighters play hockey and other sports for fun
volunteer firefighters race to have fun so i do not understand why people are so up set that volunteer fire depts race.



Yes the FDNY players are paid. PAID TO FIGHT FIRES the hockey is a hobby, Like any other professional, they have outside intrests. My point is FDNY doesn't go door to door, have casino nights and mass mailings to BEG for money to support the hockey games, and try to fool the public into believing that the money they are BEGGING for is going into fire supression.

[pro fd racing]

my fd does not go door to door asking for money
my question to you is are you a firefighter?

each of you calm down, race and play hockey. no worries mon. we are brothers
with the same cause. have a good time

[leftdigger]

There is no more ardent a defender of the racing teams than the teams themselves. Sure, its entertaining and if you host a tournament, it raises limited funds for the departments to further entertain themselves. Obviously if you dont have a tournament, it is a huge financial sinkhole. Most departments ALSO do a house to house or mailing as well. That said, many of the posts I have seen try to defend racing as though its somehow related to the fire protection of the community and is cost efficient.

Whether a District continues to have a team or not is a community decision.

There is no parallel to an FDNY member or whoever, who plays hockey or is in the band (at his own time and expense, by the way) and the racing team, where the district pays the bills, provides facilities, equipment, transportation and the team members get credit for alarms whilst playing on the racing trucks in a town 30 miles away, or is covered by District insurance or Workmans Comp while racing. (The equivalent to claiming a line of duty injury while on the golf outing)

If your department and district/community are cool with that, fine. My taxes have gone up about 20% in the 4 years I've lived here. This isnt the FD's fault. I know this, but its bad enough when the schools rake us over the coals. The "racing team" is a hole in the ground to throw thousands of dollars into for zero gain for the community, for very few people to participate in. That is a fact.

Gadfly, I know youve been around and I respect you and your opinion, but its a bit much to suggest that because you want racing, we should all want racing. The days of the insular closed door clubhouse mentality of the Fire Service (FDNY Included) is coming to an end. Too much is at stake. There is too much information availiable to too many people. Everything about how we do this and the responsibilities we have, have changed 360 degrees.

There is no doubt that the Volunteer Fire Service is the best scenario for Long Island, but not if the Volunteer Fire Service refuses to become more in touch with its community. Its not going to be possible to continue to stonewall people about things that matter to them like knowing a bus will get to them in a timely fashion, while on the inside the FD's hem and haw about the boys of summer. I can still remember a Chief at a department meeting 20 years ago yelling about no one is allowed to talk about the budget or its details to anyone on the outside. Guess what? People do care. It is our business as taxpayers, and we can get the information. The time is coming when you'll get the 50 people at a board meeting.

You guys want to have fun and race, then put up your own dough. Otherwise, play hockey, join the Emeralds and play the pipes, (they are friggin expensive) play softball, start a team. Hell I've got no beef with using the bus, or sponsoring uniforms. No one's telling you not to have fun, just not at our incredible expense. And finally, to pre respond, yes I am in a VFD. Yes I have raced. Yes I believe that some form of recreation is appropriate for those who "volunteer". It's just that racing right now is probably the most expensive and exclusive (not in a good way). Further I dont believe that my service or performance is conditional on what I get out of it for my entertainment. I doubt many thought that way when they joined either. Pity. If you all are so confident then put your racing budgets out there line by line, like the schools have to, and let the community decide. The reality is, more and more members care less and less about this stuff. They have 2 jobs and kids. They respond, go to the alarm, and go home. The 20 lads in the 200 man dept need to get on board with the rest of the world.

[formerdragger]

Can't argue, good points.
If really former, you realize it is not entertaining if your not on the track at the end of the day, or the practices all week, sprains, scrapes, and then a totally lost day with your entire family in the stands putting up with your hobby as well as making your, fires, drills and points so you can participate. (in my department anyway) When it takes about fifteen years for your wife to actually watch you on a C event, not go behind the stands or go to camp when you're up, because she's seen you fall once and is scared, but lets you go to any fire call in a heartbeat. It is a tradition, done no place else and it developed from a training event as to who was best in a township to what it is today. So unique that it was showcased in Las Vegas at the Chief's convention a few years ago, by their request..

Besides family getting me into it, I noticed it more at fires and wanted to be a part of it. Call me crazy, but if they are all on the same crew, or even on different trucks. They are so in tune with each other, half the time they don't even have to shout, either they know what is going on or they were so tight from all the practice together they knew each other like a true brother, family.
My point is to translate that to regular training and the department as a whole if possible. (I think that was the original point anyway)

Yes it's covered under the VFBL for injuries, not softball or "donkey basketball", (check it, the donkey thing is actually in the law).

As to your own expense, yes the youngsters are getting a better break now from the Disticts, but I know for a fact that six guys, myself included, bought our C rig few years ago with our own cash, sold it to the District for a dollar to get insurance and convinced one of the guy's boss to let us use his shop and materials to modify it. Painted it ourselves. Reskined, little suspension work, brandy new, same chassis and motor. All they see is the result, not what went into it or how it was done. I'm sure the current expense is not draining anything from other areas of fire protection.

Insular closed door mentality? Even accomodating injury and second string, there can be only so many people for so many spots? Ever see a softball team with 200 members? How many want to go to all the practices and sit in the camp every Saturday and never get on the track? It is a competition, how many people on softball, is that a club too?

The community, they really don't care unless you don't come for a call. Nobody is ripping them off, it's all posted and published and they can't miss the trailers leaving each evening and weekend. They complain and it is addressed, (at least in my District)

My Father said he thought it was getting a little too expensive and scary in the late sixties, I guess I have to say the same now at a much higher level. But it's all relative, and it serves the same purpose it did then, a good core group of volunteers, albiet they are not available on Saturday in the summer, but when they are there, gotta say, worth every penny.
I've bored you enough.

[leftdigger]

Some good points, but your department is probably the exception, rather than the rule. Where I come from the team is 100 %subsidized by the district. Vehicles, supplies, gear, engines, maintenance, trailers, etc.

It comes down to priorities. You know as well as I do that retention and getting rigs out is hard these days. You also gotta jnow that the 20 or so guys that race making their percentage while at parades and tournaments really do take away from why we are there in the first place. The fact that anyone decides to sacrifice their home life or health for racing is their own decision. Just like being in the FD in the first place. Excepting your dept, I guess, The reputation the racers in my dept have are of slackers, with no time for the silly notion of fighting fires or God forbid getting on an ambulance.

I suggest that the priorities of the fire service have changed. WMD's, Terrorism, newer aggressive SOP's, etc. This coupled with public scrutiny have changed the face of our departments and we must face these challenges.

When I discussed the insular clubhouse mentality, it was of the Fire Service as a whole. It still exists today. Change? Resist, resist, resist. Just like years ago. Thats just the Department side. On the District side, budgets are far from above board. Lets be honest. Heres an easy one. If there is competetive bidding, how can a dept have an entire fleet from the same apparatus company? Check the net for the State Comptroller's Audits and the waste they find. This is your money too.

The community does care. Taxes go up every year and we count our dollars. The media will be the first to jump on any error. So much so that response time are soon to be a matter of public record, and more paid employees are getting on rigs every day.

I am not trashing the service, just the sometimes confused priorities of those serving within it. I say there's enough the districts are doing to keep the guys with too much free time entertained. Racing is just something that time has passed by.

[pro fd racing]

hey leftdigger
all the other sports that you listed are payed by the dept to
alone about 20% of LI fire depts have racing
my dept plays solfball and in the past year they have spend 6,000$ on solfball. to me thats a lot of money. my dept has juniors that race and we do not even spend half that much on them. so i think racing shuold be a junior thing.

[formerdragger]

Yes I hate to say it, but maybe time has passed it by, and yes now that my boys are old enough and in it, I too get a little scared when I watch.
The whole firehouse thing was always insular, a poor mans country club, "check your heart at the door" my Dad always said. Funny thing is, as I remember, they were always plumbers, carpenters, State workers, etc..,and the legacy generation, (mine), now we are all college educated, businessmen, lawyers, teachers, etc., all because of their desire to make our lives better than theirs. My kids have to have a freakin' master's to just be a clerk now. And resist change, been there done that and got the T shirt. I've seen the Lehman theory to ICS, to even PPV in my department, all met with the same enthusiam as a lecture on dental hygene, but it does happen eventually if you push hard enough.
Rescue, my contibution is to drive or carry when needed, my "adopted" cousin, (parents were really tight), former digger, started out in Hook & Ladder and got so into rescue you can't believe from the early seventies, till now. Got real pi$$ed at all of us if you didn't show up for a 16 at 3 in the morning, and we got no points for that, it was a squad. Good rule, if you wanted to play on Saturday, we don't want to hear a signal 3! (parafrase the actual quote, actually had some expletives in it originally from the Commissioner and Chief.)

The fire apparatus, yeah. We actually got one that the Board tried to do right and economical, bought a "plain Jane", had everything you needed. Moved to the rear bay doors two weeks after it arrived and everyone still got on the old engine until they got rid of it and bought a custom Pierce a year later. What can you do?

In a round about fashion, I'm trying to say, my group is not the exception good volunteer racers are out there sometimes quiet and unnoticed, yes there are slakers everywhere, but use a sharpie, not a broad brush when you paint the picture.

And to this day, for me,` two sayings still make my heart race.
" Signal 3 on a13-35" and "GENERAL JUDGES". (been to alot of the first saying, never had the pleasure of the second, hopefully my kids will someday.)
Be safe.

[efficiencycuppler]

Formerdragger, very well said from "on the line" to the target for "a new state record".

For the other posters against fd racing, I say "Overtime".

[formerdragger]

Thank you, got close once, actually in a State video must be Beta not even VHS, (before the new internet technology), been on the track at the end of the day more than a few times in scary vehicles, but seriously, would actually wet my pants in public back in the day if I ever heard that call from the arch. Now, with all the hose crap, forget it, my gang would have been run out of town. ( you newbies, we were the first to use single jacket, it was actually standpipe hose and the officials couldn't do anything because the rule wasn't written yet. It was like a rocket! Not that Canadian crap now.)
Be safe, wear your helmets and while you can have fun, but go traditional and wear your kneepads under your pants, let the people in the stands think you really are crazy.
Enjoy.

[THEBLEACHERS]

Formerdragger, very well said from "on the line" to the target for "a new state record".

For the other posters against fd racing, I say "Overtime".

Oh yeah, but gotta say what nobody on the track ever wants to hear..

HOLD UP, HOLD UP, GENTLEMEN YOU HAVE OVERTIME.

[motorpump]

I've had the pleasure of hearing general judges more than once. Never for my team though. But what i do find kinda lame is "GENTELMEN START YOUR SNEAKERS". :lol:

[formerdragger]

Come to think of it, and not dating myself, I remember that bieng part of the opening statements since we all travelled all the way into Floral Park for a yearly tournament (had to run the B in the parade before you could race and it was flat towed all the way there and did the parade with a block of dry ice on the radiator so it wouldn't overheat.), and my Dad said he knew when to get off on nozzle when he heard the truck "click" the second sewer cap.
( they ran the center of the track then on real streets, he freaked when he saw us dive into the hydrant on the guardrail with th C truck in the eightys later when in the stands.) Something about Indy and the anouncement at the start of the 500. And what happen to the Chuck Taylors? Very few wearing Con's high tops these days? Bring em' back, best grip on the track!

amen to that

[Gadfly05]

I agree with you it has never sounded better....Expanding on the comment. I suggest that we all need to better understand our needs but none of what we all do is in anyway a impediment on our taxpayers....Hockey.Bag pipes,Racing etc.........And yes the utterance of suggesting that the Volunteer Fire Department racing is a boondoggle foisted upon the taxpayer would have been heresy.But the fact of the matter is this word Drill Team had developed such a negative connotation in the minds of those who resent Drill teams despite the untruths written about the mission of the drill team, within the Volunteer Fire Service.....Thats right the untruths written about the Drill Teams suggest wrong doings .Well it has become painfully obvious that the brothers and even the public have banded together to suggest that Fire Department Racing is an impediment to the Volunteer Fire Department, thank God these people are a small group of Mis-informed SMALL MINDED PEOPLE WHO SEE SCANDAL AROUND EVERY CORNER....Yes I suggest that Fire Department Racing as well as the other great things we do as Volunteers become the centerpiece(Showpiece) of our program (although Im not suggesting it be bigger then the Fire/EMS Mission) Vol FD Racing will be vindicated.The significant impact of bring in new members in the 70s & 80s this was consided the cause celebre of the 70 & 80s by many who inlisted into the Volunteer Fire Service...these people are fiercely competing to this day.....to put it bluntly ,it took years. I feel comfortable in saying it was a good thing for the Volunteer Fire Service and will be better for years to come. Now can we improve on Fire Department Racing....... You bet.......Also the only people who can beat us, are ourselves just remember that.
I suggest sponsership as a solution to the cost of running these Teams maybe some sports and entertainment producer. The money would be donated to some worthy cause.....

[quote="leftdigger"] Gadfly, I know youve been around and I respect you and your opinion, but its a bit much to suggest that because you want racing, we should all want racing. The days of the insular closed door clubhouse mentality of the Fire Service (FDNY Included) is coming to an end. Too much is at stake. There is too much information availiable to too many people. Everything about how we do this and the responsibilities we have, have changed 360 degrees.

if it changed 360 degrees wouldn't that imply that it has not changed since one would be in the same spot as before. (360 degrees = a circle)

[Gadfly05]

Otto spelled backwards spells?


if it changed 360 degrees wouldn't that imply that it has not changed since one would be in the same spot as before. (360 degrees = a circle)

[observed by many]

first off, it is vol fire departments,not fd. second, what you people fail to relize is the way you are seen and the way you act n front on non firematic people. Examples. being drunk and urinating in front of children and adults. profanities, and for you stupid people, cursing. Being thrown out of a hotel while at a tourney upstate, then nearly being thrown out of the second. Mind you, most racers are professionals, and race their heart out for their teams. I know someone will attack this thread. I have NO affiliation to any department. I am the guy selling those inflatables at your parades, tourneys, etc. I value these opportunities to make money while supporting a value cause. I have followed racing since '75. It is hard to believe I still see some of the same faces, and alot new ones. Ladies and gentleman, your behavior reflects your department, not you. They see the department name on the shirt, not yours. As for converse sneakers, wow, are we really that old. I also remember icing of the block in the summer.

[formerdragger]

Good points. Not attacking. Ashamed to say but been guilty of a couple mentioned. No defense but..
Bring back the "tournament begins 1/2 hour after the parade" (if you want a parade)
Realize there are only five teams on the track at the end of the day, and they are a little excited about their accomplishments and should be. But there are about a minimum of fifteen other teams that also celebrated the accomplishments of the few, other departments that didn't race, their supporters that came from home or spent the long day in the stands and have nothing but a couple of points or at the least a sunburn to show for all their efforts by the time the parade comes at six PM.
Recipe for disaster...
They are tired, not well fed at that point, some hurting and some well meaning members coming out of "Omaha" to show up for the parade so that the team can keep what little points they may have attained during the day. Human nature.
If they want parades, have 'em before the tourney or the next day.

As for upstate and hotels, or downstate and hotels, that will always be a problem on road trips. (Yes from all over the State, not just the gang from Long Island as I have seen over the years.) I observed the first hotel I believe you are referencing this past year can't say about the second one. Not that it needs clarification, but. Multiple teams had made arrangements a year in advance with a former owner, new owner screwed it all up, had a huge family wedding party the same weekend with kids and people all over the place, everbody pretty much contibuted to the chaos, nobody was innocent, one team got picked, end of story. The trailers, vehicles, "what are they?" new owner had no clue what he was in for, never put the three departments in the same wing, had them on the checkerboard all over the hotel, to boot, the new owner signed on with the airlines to house crews for overnights. Now you put a tired pilot, in a room between the wedding family members and some guys that want to blast a stereo and let off steam from the Volunteers, and people are having a barbeque in the parking lot. You think after the pilot complains the owner is going to throw out a regular contract member from the airlines, or throw out family members from a wedding who left that day anyway, pick the first volly you can find. Typical.

I have learned over the years. It is the environment that they are all placed in, and if properly done, can be civil and controlled. Hell, just ten years ago, me and my comrades were actually "thrown back into" a hotel when celebrating in a hotel parking lot upstate one night after a State Tourney. Multiple Departments involved, the Chief wasn't anybody any of us really knew, came out of the darkness and relayed a few quick orders form the management to all concerned, all cleaned up, in the building and quiet in fifteen minutes . He was a Chief and controlled the situation, we followed orders. The management of the hotel was astounded, but realize, they let him do his job, eventhough he really had no ownership of the problem. He understood, took it on and solved it. I would have been pretty suprised if anybody in that crowd bucked him that night, and nobody did. Good size up and people skills on his part.

So from my experience, nobody in racing is missing the meaning of "chain of command", or what our real "mission" is and I understand that it is more viable and profitable to have parades after the event when most working families are off .
But, everyone has to realize the downside of that practice, nobody can be expected to be a Choirboy after ten tense hours in the hot sun, possible dissapointment, additional members coming from home, lack of proper facilities. When you stage over thirty departments on residential streets, unfamilar territory, lawn stakes as to where you start, bands finding clients. Whatever, it's going to become a cluster and it does, and the departments hosting know that going in, they just try to mitigate afterwards.

Please don't put all the blame on the "boys of summer" for the preceptions of the residents. Yes they, have as a group, created a reputation that I, as an alumni don't consider flattering, and would like to bring back the huge support for the drill teams, both from within the department and from the community. Like I got as a youngster, thirty years ago. And not to slam you as a vendor, but I waxed my company truck to look pristine, wear my cleaned class B for the parade and somebodies kid sprays "silly string" all over the paint job on the truck and uniform that I have to clean later, which the kid purchased from a vendor like yourself.
You see, there are problems created from both sides of the fence, you need us, the people want you, the host makes a buck, you make a buck and we go home with alot of bills, maybe some wood if lucky, sore bodies, a bad rep and still get out the next morning for the fire call or the elderly female with abdominal pains, bags packed and three drivers in the house and cars in the driveway.

I'll never defend the concept of the drills, don't have too, because in reality, I know nobody is getting ripped off, and those I used to race and fight fires with, my town and surrounding, we were always there for them and they were always there for us. You could count on it, same faces, same today from what my kids tell me. Pretty silly concept nowadays now isn't it?
Enough said.

Maybe all the Chiefs of the departments that have Racing Teams should grow balls and enforce that the team members make a percentage of cals or not be able to race - including EMS calls. We all know that would never happen because that would be political suicide for any Chief that did!

B and C rig + trailer + a truck to pull them could = enough $'s for a Class A pumper.

[racerx]

ok guest but who said truck funds are being halted due to drill team funds , come on thats a dumb un educated statement, and how about softball team and the band and all other extra activities make percentages, but wait even general membership personell percentages are bullshit and fake to begin with :roll:

very good point facerx

39 ½ Thieves Rule

keep fd racing around

[U R CLUELESS IN LI]

From Guest:
B and C rig + trailer + a truck to pull them could = enough $'s for a Class A pumper.

Not in the poorest district brother. I don't think a "plain jane" engine or ladder truck has been sold on Long Island in fifty years, unless it was an emergency replacement that was just waiting for the custom job to come in within a year. Base models are going for $300 K, sneeze, your are up to $350K, customize cabinets, pumps cabs, talking $400K plus. (not to forget it needs equipment tack on another $35K). Buy a tower, forget it, the numbers are off the board.

You give any racing team $400K plus in one shot, one purchase for everything, one year. Show me the place that spent that much in one purchase and didn't replace a front line apparatus that was in need to do it, and I'll give you the number of the State Comptrollers office.

Clueless, nobody is sacrificing fire protection here on the Island to support a racing team.

so what are you saying
are like the other assholes saying we should go paid
thats more money
if you did not know

:roll:

[guest4]

:roll:

[guestr]

:lol:

[guest5172]

what do all of you think of fd racing? does it raise the insurance for fire districts? which in essence raises the taxes for the taxpayer. is it safe? do the members join for this reason alone?

who the hell cares if they join for this reason alone were getting young blood in the fire service, and it keeps their interest

DRILL TEAM CAPTAIN'S SUCK AND HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TO SAY. SO GUY'S GROW UP STOP PLAYING WITH RACING CARS AND STAY HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY.AND OH YEAH MAKE SOME FIRES AND STOP BEING CARRIED BY THE BOARD.....................IT WOULD BREAK MY HEART IF THEY STOP ALL OF THE RACING TEAMS.........NOT

[Guesswho]

ProEMT- In a perfect world every call would be answered right away. Ours is not perfect. But don't get confused about EMS and firefighting. They are two different jobs and should be treated as such. When you are responding to an EMS run you are not a firefighter, nothing is burning, you are part of the EMS system. Just because most Fire departments also have ambulance services they are not the same thing. If someone wants to vollenteer thier time to put out fires and respond to fire calls and only fire calls thats thier choice. If they choise to handle ambulance calls they do so as part of an EMS system and not as a firefighter. Don't look at FIREFIGHTERS when ambulance calls get 24'd, look at your fellow EMS personel. Yes some of these people are in both systems, but some are not. Rember they are two compleetly different jobs.

It may not be the same job but at times EMS does respond to fires. Did you forget that part of their job?

[BIG AL]

BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY ON LONG ISLAND. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE DRUNKEN AZZHOLES AFTER ONE OF THESE RACES ??? ... WHAT A DISGRACE

Al i agree with you totally................ it is a waste of time and money. And god forbid they don't get there way all they do is cry cry cry................. So come everyone speak up at next dept mtg and ask to have the money used for the drill team be used somewhere else. WHAT DO YOU THINK???????????

[WHAT DO YOU THINK????????]

........"So come everyone speak up at next dept mtg and ask to have the money used for the drill team be used somewhere else. WHAT DO YOU THINK???????????"




I think thats a GREAT IDEA.

So why don't you take your own advice and speak up at YOUR dept. meeting ????????????

Instead of crying like a LITTLE BITCH on a message board.

Well i'd love too speak up at my mtg but we don't have a team for that reason. As foar being a bitch come on you can do better then that..... Goes to show you my point CRY BABY'S....... grow up little man. oh yeah i have complained to your drill teams capts bigger bunch of fools. I'll tell you what if you can give me a valid reason for the drill team maybe i'll say i'm sorry but no one has given me a valid reason. remember were firefighters not nascar. some where in you reason this all better tie into what we do FIGHT FIRES............................. so good luck

I'm not the one crying about the exsistance of drill teams, YOU ARE. Little bitch. I bet you squat when you pee too.

....."remember were firefighters not nascar. some where in you reason this all better tie into what we do FIGHT FIRES"

How about the FD softball team? That has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with FIGHTING FIRES

Its called MORAL and RETENTION you jackass, if racing keeps just ONE person involved in the fire service then GREAT!!

Why dont you cry about the Navy's blue angels?
REMEMBER they are soldiers not "stuntmen"
How does that help in OUR nations defense, these talented pilots assigned to "air shows" NOT flying sorties over Iraq.

How about the Army choir ??
REMEMBER they too are soldiers NOT american idols.

How does their singing protect US from terrorists?



I bet you still don't get it............

No i get it first softball and drill teams a soft ball doesn't cost 35 THOUSAND $ for an engine . As for the military your mixing apples and oranges you asshole!!!!!!!!!! were talking about firefighter not overseas... But most importantly GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND MAY THEY ALL COME HOME SAFE . now back to what we weretalking about STIIL NOT A VALID ANSWER.so how long have you been part of your team. secondly i wanna know the monies that paid to the drill capts for parades where does that money go do you know probably not . third and final and this will be my last response to any other question on this thread. Explain to me how you justify to the taxpayer that he or she is laying thousands of there hard earned money on piece of equipment that won't put out there house if god forbid it was on fire. Also as far as moral ALL FOR ITbut not at my exspence. insurance cost fuel maintance on truck the vechile to pull the trailer food uniforms and what ever else comes along with it.. So again my question WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR YOUR NON FIRE DEPT VEHICLE because what you think you lookj cool because you have one wrong answer. please don't think i wish ill will on the teams i don't theres just to many unanswered questions that people should answer. So my friend that is just one mans opinion take care and be well.... stay safe

1.How is this apples and oranges??

You complain fire DISTRICTS use tax payer money for activities that are not related to fighting fire.

The US military ALSO uses TAX PAYER money for activities that are not related to fighting enemies.

How is this DIFFERENT.
Your complaint is tax money being spent for non firefighting functions, but its DIFFERENT and OK for the military to spend tax money on NON MILITARY ACTIVITIES?????

2. 8 years

3. What money paid to the drill capts for parades ?
Not sure what you are talking about. My department VOTES at a department meeting to attend parades, they also VOTE at that time for x amount of dollars for that parade to buy ALL MEMBERS attending refresments,mug etc.


"Explain to me how you justify to the taxpayer that he or she is laying thousands of there hard earned money on piece of equipment that won't put out there house if god forbid it was on fire"

Laying out THOUSANDS? THOUSANDS you say?

I don't know ANYBODY on LI or NYS who is paying THOUSANDS of dollars a year to their fire district. A couple hundred maybe BUT FAR FROM THOUSANDS.

ASS!

you are all missing the point. All of the extra activities have been around for over 75 years. The reasons that those extra activities exist and have exited, is because it brings the "volunteer" members down to the firehouse more often. I know on the nights that the drill team practices at the firehouse, my trucks are out in half the time. I know when the softball team meets, i get the same. it is all those things that are part of the volunteer service.

Now that said, are some departments abusing it. To some degree i am sure. but the bottom line is most residents in most districts are paying $1.00 to a $1.50 a day for 24x7 coverage. Stop whinning

Oh yeah I forgot this gem you said:

"Well i'd love too speak up at my mtg but we don't have a team for that reason."

YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A TEAM!!!!!
SO MIND YOUR OWN F UCKIN BUSINESS!!!!!!!

Stop worrying about what your neighboring department,nassau departments or upstate NY departments are doing.

WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND YOUR DEPARTMENT!!

[Gadfly01]

This says it all. And this has all been discussed before. Many ways. The fact of the matter is simple. Most of the people who complain, are those who either have failed as. Firefighters or just don't fit in. Or if you check back to the teacher’s comments section on their first report card it said" didn't play well with the other children". Thank god that most of the residents, don't concern themselves with these matters. It's the dysfunctional member who brings this all about. Think about it "why isn't this the case" example...Town’s residents storming the Fire house forcing the Board of Fire Commissioners to put a halt to Racing.....The only people who concern Themselves about this matter are the enemy within.Using something positive to make it a negative .......

you are all missing the point. All of the extra activities have been around for over 75 years. The reasons that those extra activities exist and have exited, is because it brings the "volunteer" members down to the firehouse more often. I know on the nights that the drill team practices at the firehouse, my trucks are out in half the time. I know when the softball team meets, i get the same. it is all those things that are part of the volunteer service.

Now that said, are some departments abusing it. To some degree i am sure. but the bottom line is most residents in most districts are paying $1.00 to a $1.50 a day for 24x7 coverage. Stop whinning

[3696]

Lets see the volly emt race into a working house fire.... :roll:

the thousands that were talked about was money being peyed from disrict into racing engines and all other equipment. As for all the racing teams you all can SUCK MY BALLS YOU F-CKIN LOSER CAN'T FIND A GIRLFRIEND OR WIFE GROW UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIVES EXCEPT LIVING IN THE FIREHOUSE. the money that was talked about money paid to drill team capts is payed by all depts that want to compete for trophy or have judges. i still wanna know where that money goes???????????????????

[Gadfly01]

Like! I said most are dysfunctional. This posting says it all. This duffle bag needs help......We have some very nutty people around. And as you can see this guy needs help!........... This is a very sid case.


the thousands that were talked about was money being peyed from disrict into racing engines and all other equipment. As for all the racing teams you all can SUCK MY BALLS YOU F-CKIN LOSER CAN'T FIND A GIRLFRIEND OR WIFE GROW UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIVES EXCEPT LIVING IN THE FIREHOUSE. the money that was talked about money paid to drill team capts is payed by all depts that want to compete for trophy or have judges. i still wanna know where that money goes???????????????????

yeah man

How much does it cost the taxpayers for the racing trucks and the Nascar type enclosed trailers that depts are now getting ?????

MAYBE NEWSDAY OR EYEWITNESS NEWS INVESTIGATORS SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS.

ALSO HOW ARE THE INJURIES WRITTEN UP WHEN ONE OF YOU GET HURT ???????

BE HONEST

How much does it cost the taxpayers for the racing trucks and the Nascar type enclosed trailers that depts are now getting ?????

MAYBE NEWSDAY OR EYEWITNESS NEWS INVESTIGATORS SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS.

ALSO HOW ARE THE INJURIES WRITTEN UP WHEN ONE OF YOU GET HURT ???????

BE HONEST


Gee, heres an idea.
Why don't you go down to your board of fire commisioners and ask ?
That way you can hear the TRUTH not what some MORON spouts off on this cesspool message board.

Insurance cost almost 1 million a year for high liaibility and thats the truth. Well here's a good idea if you want drop an email to liz moore at newsday she loves the vols...... NOT. The costs for these teams have gotten just way out of hand. Back to what someone said about monies to drill team captians yes there is a "fee" its one hundred to every department that wants to compete for throphy. I know the question has been brought up about the monies and captains change subject. Anyone know or seen where monies go its only fare that we know since it is our money. So drill team captains feel free to post where the monies are and how much is in the account or better then that send all departments you have taken money from a tres report. If you guy's have nothing to hide i sure you'll have no problem with this.

[STARTWATER2]

EACH DEPT PER YEAR PAYS $75 TO THERE COUNTY DRILL TEAM CAPT. ASSN AND 25 TO THE STATE ASSN. EACH MEMBER PAYS DUES WHICH IS LIKE $ 7 PER YEAR TO THERE AREA ASSN IT GOES FOR PAYING FOR NEW EQUIP FOR AREA VEHICLES AND DAILY RUNNING OF THE ASSN

[Gadfly01]

(FIY) What you need to know is that when your injured while operating on a Racing team. You are covered by an insurance policy which is purchased by the Team.My son was injured last night while digging. And he is insured by a separate policy.Fund rasing has supported our team.Racing riggs are consided hose carriers.This is part of the development of a Volunteer Firefighter in the Volunteer service. It is just one of many method. Most dysfunctional people would never understand this philosophy.We use this method with our Juniors as well.When are you people going to get it. This is a reasonable, cost to develop the team concept of Volunteer Firefighters.....Don't you dear suggest pingpong,Firefighting is a dangerous business to begin with. So this was developed as a method.


How much does it cost the taxpayers for the racing trucks and the Nascar type enclosed trailers that depts are now getting ?????

MAYBE NEWSDAY OR EYEWITNESS NEWS INVESTIGATORS SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS.

ALSO HOW ARE THE INJURIES WRITTEN UP WHEN ONE OF YOU GET HURT ???????

BE HONEST

EACH DEPT PER YEAR PAYS $75 TO THERE COUNTY DRILL TEAM CAPT. ASSN AND 25 TO THE STATE ASSN. EACH MEMBER PAYS DUES WHICH IS LIKE $ 7 PER YEAR TO THERE AREA ASSN IT GOES FOR PAYING FOR NEW EQUIP FOR AREA VEHICLES AND DAILY RUNNING OF THE ASSN


what new equipment and what vehicles. get active too old . and its $100 per dept

[fd1]

Drill Trucks are considered Dept Apparatus and when someone gets hurt its considered a "training" related injury ......

[GADFLY1]

You are right about, what you post. But to keep the :o do gooders off of our backs because they are all so prim and proper. Which they have a right to be. We purchased a policy to cover our members when competing.This way we don’t "fib" :roll: on a VF-1,2,3 Form. Yes you are covered under VFIS while you are training. But the second you become competitive this all changers.

Drill Trucks are considered Dept Apparatus and when someone gets hurt its considered a "training" related injury ......

[softball]

How about a full investigation into taxpayer money used on softball, and commissioner trips?

Or how about high school football? You are in high school to excel in academics, not play some sport. Money is wasted on uniforms, salaries for teachers, equipment, transportation. Don't argue that it is different than racing; it is exactly the same.

[softball]

How about a full investigation into taxpayer money used on softball, and commissioner trips?

Or how about high school football? You are in high school to excel in academics, not play some sport. Money is wasted on uniforms, salaries for teachers, equipment, transportation. Don't argue that it is different than racing; it is exactly the same.

[moderator1000]

How about a full investigation into taxpayer money used on softball, and commissioner trips?

Or how about high school football? You are in high school to excel in academics, not play some sport. Money is wasted on uniforms, salaries for teachers, equipment, transportation. Don't argue that it is different than racing; it is exactly the same.


WHAT??!!!!

that has to be the dumbest arguement ever made on this forum....

[MELL]

LOOK WHERE IT COMES FROM ... A DRUNKEN VOLLIE JUMPING OFF THE BACK OF A RACECAR/TRUCK .....

HERES ANOTHER THOUGHT .. YOU CANT RIDE THE BACK STEP OF A FIRE TRUCK, BUT ON A WEEKEND, DRUNK, YOU CAN JUMP OFF AND THROW A LADDER AGAINST A PLATFORM ...HMMMMMMM

[340sant]

most of you should stop bitching and run for a b.o.f.c. seat then tou will really know what insurance, fuel , maint, costs are. until then please call liz more, newsday, district atty, and anyone else you really gives a shit. :D

[STARTWATER2]

AS I STATED EARLIER THE $100.00 DOLLARS (LIKE I SAID $75 TO THE STATE ASSN AND $25 TO YOUR AREA = $100.00) IT GOES FOR FUEL AND REPLACEMT OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE TIMING TRUCK REPAIRS TO THE VEHICLE ETC......

[factsplease]

You are right about, what you post. But to keep the :o do gooders off of our backs because they are all so prim and proper. Which they have a right to be. We terryville is trash purchased a policy to cover our members when competing.This way we don’t "fib" :roll: on a VF-1,2,3 Form. Yes you are covered under VFIS while you are training. But the second you become competitive this all changers.

Drill Trucks are considered Dept Apparatus and when someone gets hurt its considered a "training" related injury ......

Yes the drill trucks in a DISTRICT are apparatus, some pay for them, some don't.
VFIS is the insurance carrier, the law is the VFBL and even though it does not allow, bowling, softball or donkey basketball injuries, it does allow for firematic drills. (hence the term "invitational drill").
Nobody is lying on any form, say what happened and it will go through. The extra you are probably talking about is the add on to normal workers comp to bring the injured members payment to full salary while out. Most Districts have it, and most Districts pay extra to insure the softball players that are not covered under the law.

great day at Lindy, can't wait for sny

[Fisherman]

There are some great photos of the Lindenhurst drill on www.nyfirephotos.com

[guest291]

There are some great photos of the Lindenhurst drill on www.nyfirephotos.com


What happened to Rick White? The new fire news guy is a great photographer and a nice guy, but I'd like to find out what happened to Rick. Did he move?

[Gadfly01]

This maroon has to be kidding....Let's look at all of these issues and discuss why we do the things that we do.......OK let's look at High School sports tax-payer money supports these programs,this method has been done for many years it is consider part of the development of our students and yes is part of the academics, Fire Department Racing is developed to bring young members into the Fire Service as Volunteers.None of the people who run these teams are paid unlike our teachers.Uniforms are donated by our locale business or are supplied to them from money obtained by our fundraisers. Now as a Tax-payer,Volunteer. I can tell you renters out their, that What!. "I pay" for Fire Protection is very affordable.I think most people would agree...If your so concerned about the abuse of your tax money, then run for the Board .You have this right.Now Commissioner trips what you fail to understand is audits are done on each District to assure that the money used for these trips, are within the guidelines of the State rules...
Think about it Boy scouts, Girl scouts They may not work off the tax base of our community but they make appeals for money to operate as a positive entity within our community. Again the only thing that I can think off why anybody would hate Racing or the Volunteer Fire Department is, you are misdirected.I know that we all have concerns. About people who we entrusted to manage our money, are being honorable.You should be concerned, but to go out of your way to bash the principals which develop the honor of very hard working volunteers is unfortunate .The abuse is within the Schools we all know this.You should be directing your argument to the Schools......If you don't mind me saying so.


How about a full investigation into taxpayer money used on softball, and commissioner trips?
Or how about high school football? You are in high school to excel in academics, not play some sport. Money is wasted on uniforms, salaries for teachers, equipment, transportation. Don't argue that it is different than racing; it is exactly the same.[/quote]
WHAT??!!!!
that has to be the dumbest arguement ever made on this forum....

[STARTWATER2]

There is no sense in trying to justify anything on here. Anyone can complain about anything, racing is a long standing traditon in the fire service, softball, bowling, golf, or what ever sport or activity that a dept offers is to recruit and retain members. yes there are a degree of knife and forkers in this business, but those people i pay no mind too. If they don`t help me or my dept i have no use for them, and when they ask for something it is disregarded. i use a policy as an officer if you help the company or the dept you are rewarded if not.. just go away............ but again this is all part of the large fire dept spectrum complain all you want the vol service and all the activities isn`t going anywher for at least i`ll say 20 yrs................

[fdracer]

this has to be the best sport around i would give anything to race till the day i die softball is horrible

[Gadfly01]

Ridge on Saturday, CI Sunday My Family was able to attend and support our teams. Plus the other hard working teams, in the other Departments. That’s right we are all like family, that's why most people object the whole racing thing. Just Sitting at the track with my fellow Firefighters, after a hard week serving the community. Enjoying the company of their families and friends, is a real comfort. Let me size it up for you all .Your Volunteering within your community one day and a terrible call comes in 16-23-14 Explosion MVA on Sunrise Hwy. People burning in their Cars alive” let me tell you, have to feel for the soles of those people. After all of this. It feels good to be alive and be able to appreciate your life, and the lives of others who are with us each day. Look I’m sure somebody will have some kind of negative comment about racing. But this weekend took my mind off the carnage of last week. In my opinion when somebody puts down racing they are dysfunctional . Again it all goes back to the first report card thing under teachers comments didn’t play well with the other children. [color=black]WHEN YOU SEE THE KIDS TEAM RUNING AT THE TRACK IT TELLS ME THAT ALL IS WELL WITH THE WORLD[b]..............

[Volly in Brookhaven]

Ok I'm going to walk on eggs here, I agree racikng is a long time tradition that goes back to to why some departments were even formed. Its dangerous, and yet exciting to watch and I give credit to all those who participate. The cost of the racing trucks and upkeep, onviously are covered partially by taxpayers and partially by fund raising. I know the vehicles need to be transported back and forth, and here is where I put up my boxing gloves to prevent from getting punched in the face.
I drove east on Route 25 while the teams were going to Selden. I thought I was in North Carolina before race day. Some of the trucks towing these vehicles weee better than NASCAR teams. OK maybe not that good, but My God, The brand new Freightliners, Peterbilts and Kenworths blew my mind away as they rolled down Route 25! How do you jusity that? The trailers in some cases looked like they cost more than the actual racing truck.
We need to think before spending the taxpayers money and not be so defensive when thet scream at us.
Gadflys argument is full of holes. The cost of fielding a football team for a school year, equals the cost of a Signal 8 for a racing season, and you know it. Don't even try to compare that.
We need to be responsible and we we do the taxpayers will not think twice about supporting us. Just dont flaunt toys in their face.
Secondly, the number of people riding standoing up in trailers, on back steps was a concern to me also. My own 12 year old son asked me why they were riding the back step, knowing its not allowed anymore. It reminded me of the 70's how many guys can you fit on a backstep if you stand sideways.. (6-7?)

You mentioned the Bay Shore incident..Many lives were affected that day, not only those in the accident, those who witnessed it or those caught up close range in the ensuing traffic nightmare...but thos of the VOLUNTEERS who responded. I can not imagaine the helplessness they felt, and the agony in their own bodies as they knew people were dying and there was nothing they cold do.
The first responding firefighters to arrive will remember that the rest of their lives, and we as a firefighting community should remember them as well.
For all those who rally for paid departments, lets here how you guys would have done a better job, because you wouldn't have and would have been more concerned about overtime pay for staying on the scene than anything else.

[rr1]

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ... Ask your local Fire depts how much the "nascar" trailer and the vehicle inside cost to buy and maintain

[Gadfly01]

Let's make some things clear first I'm not attacking you. Sir or madam you have the right to point out what you think is improper use of taxpayer money. But you really need to get your facts right. First The Incident on Sunrise was in North Babylon on the West Islip Border. Not Bayshore......I was their. your argument is full of holes.Equals the cost of a Signal 8 for a racing season,Each event cost $250.00 to feed each member. Money is from fundraising efforts. Most of the equipment that you are talking about is used equipment purchased by the Fire Departments as either surpluses obtained by purchasing via bidding from some other agency.Some of the equipment is also donated.They refurbish these NASCARS as you describe them.Most are junk prior to the teams taking control.These team members do most of the work on these trucks,welding painting, motor work so how could you even suggest that the public trust is in anyway violated.....My question to you is. Do you know? the cost of a NASCAR I think 1 Million Cost of a surplus tractor could be $1.00 or $1000.00.....Paint $250.00 Maco Paint or like our community a business donated the Paint Job for our Old Mack tractor former, US Mail tractor.Trailer was built by the members.People just don't know the truth only, what! the mis-informed have to say.It isn't your fault most members of the Volunteer Fire Service are mis-informed.I kid you not. You could be a member, and still not know what is going on.And you Sir or Madam are Mis-informed.......And remember a bad day of racing is still better then a good day at work..Bye Race fans....PS Don't be driving with your 12 year old son in the car smoking the shit you must be on.......I think it's aganst the Law.....Be safe dude....Gadfly01 OUT!!!!!

Ok I'm going to walk on eggs here, I agree racikng is a long time tradition that goes back to to why some departments were even formed. Its dangerous, and yet exciting to watch and I give credit to all those who participate. The cost of the racing trucks and upkeep, onviously are covered partially by taxpayers and partially by fund raising. I know the vehicles need to be transported back and forth, and here is where I put up my boxing gloves to prevent from getting punched in the face.
I drove east on Route 25 while the teams were going to Selden. I thought I was in North Carolina before race day. Some of the trucks towing these vehicles weee better than NASCAR teams. OK maybe not that good, but My God, The brand new Freightliners, Peterbilts and Kenworths blew my mind away as they rolled down Route 25! How do you jusity that? The trailers in some cases looked like they cost more than the actual racing truck.
We need to think before spending the taxpayers money and not be so defensive when thet scream at us.
Gadflys argument is full of holes. The cost of fielding a football team for a school year, equals the cost of a Signal 8 for a racing season, and you know it. Don't even try to compare that.
We need to be responsible and we we do the taxpayers will not think twice about supporting us. Just dont flaunt toys in their face.
Secondly, the number of people riding standoing up in trailers, on back steps was a concern to me also. My own 12 year old son asked me why they were riding the back step, knowing its not allowed anymore. It reminded me of the 70's how many guys can you fit on a backstep if you stand sideways.. (6-7?)

You mentioned the Bay Shore incident..Many lives were affected that day, not only those in the accident, those who witnessed it or those caught up close range in the ensuing traffic nightmare...but thos of the VOLUNTEERS who responded. I can not imagaine the helplessness they felt, and the agony in their own bodies as they knew people were dying and there was nothing they cold do.
The first responding firefighters to arrive will remember that the rest of their lives, and we as a firefighting community should remember them as well.
For all those who rally for paid departments, lets here how you guys would have done a better job, because you wouldn't have and would have been more concerned about overtime pay for staying on the scene than anything else.

:evil:

:D

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[savetaxpayers$$$]

waste of money, and whose time to move on in this day and age has come.

[slack]

Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.

cant vote it out. the mentality that its a vital function of a FD is hard to block with most FD's. justify its existence and what service it provides to the FD and community (and not the 10-20 members) and u can start a banter back and forth. but a class a 1500 gpm engine doesnt do 85 mph to a fire and throw water on a room and contents in 5.93 seconds. tradition is fine, but benefits to the community and dept. is nil

[wa$te of Dollar$]

[quote="slack"]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

:oops:

[slackagain]

[quote=slack]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

Please, nobody replaces pumps and motors every year, our motor is six years old and replaced a twentyfive year old block, the pump is two years old and replaced a WWII surplus navy pump. Like I said, you got issues, bring them to bear to the proper authorities in the proper manner. If you get your way and they put an end to it, good for you, if they don't, I'm not sorry, because "they" seem to know how to go through channels and you don't.
But just stop your crying and stand up and make it happen if you feel it is that important.
Oh and wipe that ice cream stain on your shirt from the last dinner when you do present your case. Get the facts and put your doubts in the real world..

[used2b13]

[quote=slack]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

Please, nobody replaces pumps and motors every year, our motor is six years old and replaced a twentyfive year old block, the pump is two years old and replaced a WWII surplus navy pump. Like I said, you got issues, bring them to bear to the proper authorities in the proper manner. If you get your way and they put an end to it, good for you, if they don't, I'm not sorry, because "they" seem to know how to go through channels and you don't.
But just stop your crying and stand up and make it happen if you feel it is that important.
Oh and wipe that ice cream (http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=ice%20cream) stain on your shirt from the last dinner when you do present your case. Get the facts and put your doubts in the real world..

NOT TRUE!!!

[TaTa]

"still bitter after all these years" :lol:

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[used2b13]

"still bitter after all these years" :lol:

http://70.85.169.212/3426/41/emo/neener.gif

[seenunionscomeseen'emgo]

back at ya! :D

:D

:roll:

[quote=slack]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

Please, nobody replaces pumps and motors every year, our motor is six years old and replaced a twentyfive year old block, the pump is two years old and replaced a WWII surplus navy pump. Like I said, you got issues, bring them to bear to the proper authorities in the proper manner. If you get your way and they put an end to it, good for you, if they don't, I'm not sorry, because "they" seem to know how to go through channels and you don't.
But just stop your crying and stand up and make it happen if you feel it is that important.

How true, no one replaces pumps and motors every year. but the cost is high when you do. i have never had a problem with racing, i grew up around it. but it this day and age unless individual teams pay their own (many dont), then it is wasting taxpayers money.

unfortunately, the proper authorities (and many firemen)have the same mentality as you. tradition. and since most commssioners are firemen, its like a fox in the henhouse. yes money can be given to a dept from a district and then the dept can spend as they see fit, thats one way of getting taxpayers $$ for your toys. Raise it on your own, and thats fine.

And from other forums in this site, seems many people are upset on how tax dollars are spent. on tradition. and i would rather see my tax dollars spent on more constructive stuff than racing. and BTW i dont cry about it. i gave my answer on the question, of which it is in this day and age. a waste of TAXPAYERS money. but since you and a few other people benefit from the $$$, seems to be ok. and in your next post, JUSTIFY spending taxpayers money on your "B" and "C" rigs, and what firematic value it has in this post 9/11 day and age. i dont recall reading anything about racing and its firematic benefits in firehouse,fire engineering etc.


Oh and wipe that ice cream stain on your shirt from the last dinner when you do present your case. Get the facts and put your doubts in the real world..

well said
not really

[quote=slack]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

Please, nobody replaces pumps and motors every year, our motor is six years old and replaced a twentyfive year old block, the pump is two years old and replaced a WWII surplus navy pump. Like I said, you got issues, bring them to bear to the proper authorities in the proper manner. If you get your way and they put an end to it, good for you, if they don't, I'm not sorry, because "they" seem to know how to go through channels and you don't.
But just stop your crying and stand up and make it happen if you feel it is that important.

How true, no one replaces pumps and motors every year. but the cost is high when you do. i have never had a problem with racing, i grew up around it. but it this day and age unless individual teams pay their own (many dont), then it is wasting taxpayers money.

unfortunately, the proper authorities (and many firemen)have the same mentality as you. tradition. and since most commssioners are firemen, its like a fox in the henhouse. yes money can be given to a dept from a district and then the dept can spend as they see fit, thats one way of getting taxpayers $$ for your toys. Raise it on your own, and thats fine.

And from other forums in this site, seems many people are upset on how tax dollars are spent. on tradition. and i would rather see my tax dollars spent on more constructive stuff than racing. and BTW i dont cry about it. i gave my answer on the question, of which it is in this day and age. a waste of TAXPAYERS money. but since you and a few other people benefit from the $$$, seems to be ok. and in your next post, JUSTIFY spending taxpayers money on your "B" and "C" rigs, and what firematic value it has in this post 9/11 day and age. i dont recall reading anything about racing and its firematic benefits in firehouse,fire engineering etc.


Oh and wipe that ice cream stain on your shirt from the last dinner when you do present your case. Get the facts and put your doubts in the real world..

well said
not really

no huh? explain the justifications for 80,000 dollar C rigs etc etc. Last few posts are silly icons. i would love to hear your reasons for justifying tax dollars on "toys". seems like this post is asking for reasons, give 'em yours.

[guest22]

Let’s get this straight; racing teams are the biggest waste of money around. To say that you team raises there money on there own is a little bit better but, do you forget why you joined? I'll remind you to Protect lives and try to save property. Instead of wasting your time on something as stupid as racing, how about using that time going over firefighting or you medical skills. If you say that you know all or think you “good enough" please never come to a call were I am at because you are just a liability. :!:

Let’s get this straight; racing teams are the biggest waste of money around. To say that you team raises there money on there own is a little bit better but, do you forget why you joined? I'll remind you to Protect lives and try to save property. Instead of wasting your time on something as stupid as racing, how about using that time going over firefighting or you medical skills. If you say that you know all or think you “good enough" please never come to a call were I am at because you are just a liability. :!:

Racing teams are great.

The members of the old fashion and modern racing teams are the most active firefighters protecting lives and property.

The rigs are almost all hand built from parts obtained on the cheap with funds that come from general donations for the morale / esprit de corp for the membership, not from tax payer funds.

If you can't deal with it, blow it out your ass, as thats where you are posting from, and go to another site. . .

[guest22]

:lol:

:D

:shock:

Let’s get this straight; racing teams are the biggest waste of money around. To say that you team raises there money on there own is a little bit better but, do you forget why you joined? I'll remind you to Protect lives and try to save property. Instead of wasting your time on something as stupid as racing, how about using that time going over firefighting or you medical skills. If you say that you know all or think you “good enough" please never come to a call were I am at because you are just a liability. :!:

Racing teams are great.

The members of the old fashion and modern racing teams are the most active firefighters protecting lives and property.

The rigs are almost all hand built from parts obtained on the cheap with funds that come from general donations for the morale / esprit de corp for the membership, not from tax payer funds.

If you can't deal with it, blow it out your ass, as thats where you are posting from, and go to another site. . . its a lot of fun

[be real dude]

Let’s get this straight; racing teams are the biggest waste of money around. To say that you team raises there money on there own is a little bit better but, do you forget why you joined? I'll remind you to Protect lives and try to save property. Instead of wasting your time on something as stupid as racing, how about using that time going over firefighting or you medical skills. If you say that you know all or think you “good enough" please never come to a call were I am at because you are just a liability. :!:

Racing teams are great.

The members of the old fashion and modern racing teams are the most active firefighters protecting lives and property.

"depends on the dept. many depts carry people who just race, while everyone else does the other work, be it meetings, feeds, drills (REAL drills)." police yourselves and get rid of your superstars who do nothing but race, and who dont know what a kerf cut or PPV is, but in the bat of an eye, tell you who has the records in each race. REAL productive."

The rigs are almost all hand built from parts obtained on the cheap with funds that come from general donations for the morale / esprit de corp for the membership, not from tax payer funds.

"Dude, come on !! an old fashioned team can build their hand carts with cheap metal and bike tires out of the basement, but who pays for a 20k or more engine rebuild? not your xmas tree sales. seems NO ONE can justify racing as stated in prior posts, but keep making excuses why its important. were waiting for a decent reply.........."

If you can't deal with it, blow it out your ass, as thats where you are posting from, and go to another site. . .

"Very dignified response.."

[guessst]

y y y

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

[quote=slack]Then come down, demand, and vote it out, seems to be stronger than ever and costs about the same each year as an installation dinner. Gee, one night versus a whole season, Hmmmm.[/

installation dinner? so would blowing a motor and/or pump on top of the annual costs still be as much as an installation dinner? i have my doubts.

Please, nobody replaces pumps and motors every year, our motor is six years old and replaced a twentyfive year old block, the pump is two years old and replaced a WWII surplus navy pump. Like I said, you got issues, bring them to bear to the proper authorities in the proper manner. If you get your way and they put an end to it, good for you, if they don't, I'm not sorry, because "they" seem to know how to go through channels and you don't.
But just stop your crying and stand up and make it happen if you feel it is that important.

How true, no one replaces pumps and motors every year. but the cost is high when you do. i have never had a problem with racing, i grew up around it. but it this day and age unless individual teams pay their own (many dont), then it is wasting taxpayers money.

unfortunately, the proper authorities (and many firemen)have the same mentality as you. tradition. and since most commssioners are firemen, its like a fox in the henhouse. yes money can be given to a dept from a district and then the dept can spend as they see fit, thats one way of getting taxpayers $$ for your toys. Raise it on your own, and thats fine.

And from other forums in this site, seems many people are upset on how tax dollars are spent. on tradition. and i would rather see my tax dollars spent on more constructive stuff than racing. and BTW i dont cry about it. i gave my answer on the question, of which it is in this day and age. a waste of TAXPAYERS money. but since you and a few other people benefit from the $$$, seems to be ok. and in your next post, JUSTIFY spending taxpayers money on your "B" and "C" rigs, and what firematic value it has in this post 9/11 day and age. i dont recall reading anything about racing and its firematic benefits in firehouse,fire engineering etc.


Oh and wipe that ice cream stain on your shirt from the last dinner when you do present your case. Get the facts and put your doubts in the real world..

well said
not really


Well, 9 months later and still no answer. Can you justify an $80,000 racing truck, $100,000 + tractor trailer etc. with taxpayers money.. No way in hell fundraisers bought that stuff.

Nice to know that many districts are grouped together with their own insurance, I guess racing will continue..

YUP. Those trucks and trailers are used for other things other than racing....learn some facts b4 u talk!!!!
GO RACING SEASON 2006 !!!!

[sober non racer]

What other things do the trailers and racing truck do. Why dont you tell us all. I never saw the "c" rig pull up first second or even third due to anything.

I never saw one of those big Nascar type trailers doing nothing more than transport the $100,000 FD racecars and alot of beer.

How the hell do some district justify this spending ???

[Sober Racer]

I never saw one of those big Nascar type trailers doing nothing more than transport the $100,000 FD racecars and alot of beer.


SIMPLY NOT TRUE :!: :!: :!:


We NEVER transport the beer with the race trucks. :shock:

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

YUP. Those trucks and trailers are used for other things other than racing....learn some facts b4 u talk!!!!
GO RACING SEASON 2006 !!!!


well. with over 20 years in the fire service, i never saw a tractor trailer used by a racing team used for nothing but. And i AM a very active fireman, not a knife and forker.


Like the wife of the RVC fireman said, "Take away the perks and only the true firemen will remain", how many will stay if ya didnt race?


I have nothing against racing, but carrying people who only race is detrimental to whatever you think it stands for. Some depts have members who live miles away, but are members so the "Drill" team can win.

Is a state championship THAT important?

THAT's a problem with racing. And the costs for the "B" and "C" rigs that serve NO firematic purpose. Depts. that would rather put a team on a street then send a dozen people to the FDIC (which can be justified more than a scuba trip to Key West, et al.) shows what a waste of money it is.

Spending thousands of dollars for 10-15 people for 3 months is a total waste of money, in this post 9/11 day and age. And when you have commisioners who argue over saws, nozzles compressed air foam systems, etc., but give a racing team whatever they want, well THAT is not serving the community's best interest now, is it?


and since many districts are now in the insurance cooperative, racing will continue. If ya wanna prove your manhood, run old fashioned. It's a lot cheaper on the taxpayers wallet, and you don't need a $100,000+ tractor trailer to pull the cart. After all, its about the ability to hit a target or climb a ladder, not the machines, right?

So far NO posts have justified this spending. So instead of giving me an expletive laden retort, justify what values racing has to the fire service and the community you are sworn to protect.

Before you knock the drill teams what about the multi million dolar fire houses being built today. For what reason do you need to have such a big fire house for? To be better than then the next guy. 3 story's for what storage? To say my fire house is bigger than yours. How much does your tax go up every year because of the drill team? ZERO. A new fire house rasies taxs. Between the school tax and the tax to build a new unneeded fire house it would drive anyone crazy. Worry about that first befroe you cry once again about the drill team.

[quote=Anonymous]So far NO posts have justified this spending. So instead of giving me an expletive laden retort, justify what values racing has to the fire service and the community you are sworn to protect.


Ok.
How about morale, recruitment and retention ?

Why do you take issue with just racing teams, do you have a problem with other tax payer funded waste ?

Lets look at some:

U.S. Navy Blue Angels
Imagine what these TALENTED piolts are paid to perform in air shows, when their talents could be better put to use in Iraq or Afganistan ? OUR tax dollars pay for this.

How about the U.S. Marine Corps. marching band ?
Again OUR taxes pay for them to march in parades.

Or the U.S. Army Golden parachutes ?
Again supported by OUR tax dollars to perform shows.

Why do these PUBLICALLY FUNDED groups exsist ?

Again OUR tax dollars pay for this and its accepted by US tax payers, but the group of people who volunteer their time to save life and property of others get attacked for their extracurricular activities.

Whatever.
I can't wait for Lindy.

[quote=Anonymous]So far NO posts have justified this spending. So instead of giving me an expletive laden retort, justify what values racing has to the fire service and the community you are sworn to protect.


Ok.
How about morale, recruitment and retention ?

Why do you take issue with just racing teams, do you have a problem with other tax payer funded waste ?

Lets look at some:

U.S. Navy Blue Angels
Imagine what these TALENTED piolts are paid to perform in air shows, when their talents could be better put to use in Iraq or Afganistan ? OUR tax dollars pay for this.

How about the U.S. Marine Corps. marching band ?
Again OUR taxes pay for them to march in parades.

Or the U.S. Army Golden parachutes ?
Again supported by OUR tax dollars to perform shows.

Why do these PUBLICALLY FUNDED groups exsist ?

Again OUR tax dollars pay for this and its accepted by US tax payers, but the group of people who volunteer their time to save life and property of others get attacked for their extracurricular activities.

Whatever.
I can't wait for Lindy.


GREAT ANSWER....KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK....ITS A SHAME ALOT OF THE DEPTS HAVE DISBAN THE DRILL TEAMS....BRING BACK ALOT OF GOOD TIMES AND MEMORIES...

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

[quote=Anonymous]So far NO posts have justified this spending. So instead of giving me an expletive laden retort, justify what values racing has to the fire service and the community you are sworn to protect.


Ok.
How about morale, recruitment and retention ?

Why do you take issue with just racing teams, do you have a problem with other tax payer funded waste ?

Lets look at some:

U.S. Navy Blue Angels
Imagine what these TALENTED piolts are paid to perform in air shows, when their talents could be better put to use in Iraq or Afganistan ? OUR tax dollars pay for this.

How about the U.S. Marine Corps. marching band ?
Again OUR taxes pay for them to march in parades.

Or the U.S. Army Golden parachutes ?
Again supported by OUR tax dollars to perform shows.

Why do these PUBLICALLY FUNDED groups exsist ?

Again OUR tax dollars pay for this and its accepted by US tax payers, but the group of people who volunteer their time to save life and property of others get attacked for their extracurricular activities.

Whatever.
I can't wait for Lindy.


morale, retention and recruitment?

Dude, I have 20+ years in the volunteers. Most people join to serve their communities. What myself and many other VERY active firemen have a problem with, is how certain people are there only to race, while chiefs and commisioners turn the other cheek. Attitudes like that kill morale more than you think it builds it.

How about taking a few rigs from each dept, and going to old bethpage and/or yaphank to REAL drill sites? Since depts are mutual aiding more frequently than years ago, you can drill there and build your morale,retention,and recruitment, and you may actually learn something too. and its cheaper than a racing rig or motor.

Police your own, throw out the guys who do nothing or live 15 miles from the district, etc. Yes, many active guys race, but many don't. THAT doesnt help morale. And not seeing guys go to calls during racing season defeats the purpose of "serving the community". The attitude that others will do it while we race/practice puts yourself first, and not the dept or community. I've seen guys in the firehouse not even attempt to hop on a rig around practice time. FYI, that increases response times, don't ya think?

That also helps morale, right?


Equipment. When you have commisioners who put racing above other priorities like equipment, etc. and give them whatever they want. The money spent on a season of racing could send a dozen people to an FDIC conference in Indiana, for example. Much more is gained in firematics than racing. That's a no brainer.


As for the military groups mentioned, im sure in all out war, they would be in line to go. the departments i have been in over my 20+ years had many good firemen, and your "superstars". You know the guys you NEVER see at a fire, but joined to "serve the community" on a "C" rig.

Comparing a small fire district to the military is apples to oranges. The Government has a wider base of funding compared to the ABC fire district. With career and volunteer depts fighting for federal money, looks kind of ridiculous when you get a 50k grant for something, but spend 75k+ on a "C" rig that has NO firematic value. Yes, not replaced every year, but a big expense nonetheless.


And if you want to serve your community, you shouldnt need racing to attract members. I would bet that if someone was asked by the membership committee why they want to join, and they say"Just to race", they wouldnt be members. I do commend those teams that build their own with little or no taxpayer funds (CI didnt have their "C" truck fixed in 78, and still won the state).

But taking taxpayer money for racing is nothing but a waste of taxpayer funds. Again, kudos if you and your dept run on what you raise, but I doubt it.Not when you are talking 30k plus for a motor (give or take) and over $6.00 a gallon (give or take) for fuel.

I grew up around racing, when people thought it was part of the fire dept, not the other way around. Taxpayers dollars for a few egos don't cut it in my book. And even if you got rid of your "superstars", some of who go from dept to dept like free agents(yea, ok), in this post 9/11 day and age, money should be better spent.

And not just racing my friend, you will probably agree the LOSAP program increased the "dinner brigade." There are wastes in every organization, some are just very excessive, like racing, IMO.


And I will agree, Lindy is always a good time. But its time has come.

See ya on the big one.

[guest1075]

can some one tell me some dates for motorized drills in suffolk
thank you

[pointless]

I do commend those teams that build their own with little or no taxpayer funds (CI didnt have their "C" truck fixed in 78, and still won the state).


Uhhhhh didn't CI BUY a new c rig last year ?

can some one tell me some dates for motorized drills in suffolk
thank you


www.nysdrillteams.com

YUP. Those trucks and trailers are used for other things other than racing....learn some facts b4 u talk!!!!
GO RACING SEASON 2006 !!!!


Yup,
My dept uses the trailer for the Christmas parade.

[quote=Anonymous]So far NO posts have justified this spending. So instead of giving me an expletive laden retort, justify what values racing has to the fire service and the community you are sworn to protect.


Ok.
How about morale, recruitment and retention ?

Why do you take issue with just racing teams, do you have a problem with other tax payer funded waste ?

Lets look at some:

U.S. Navy Blue Angels
Imagine what these TALENTED piolts are paid to perform in air shows, when their talents could be better put to use in Iraq or Afganistan ? OUR tax dollars pay for this.

How about the U.S. Marine Corps. marching band ?
Again OUR taxes pay for them to march in parades.

Or the U.S. Army Golden parachutes ?
Again supported by OUR tax dollars to perform shows.

Why do these PUBLICALLY FUNDED groups exsist ?

Again OUR tax dollars pay for this and its accepted by US tax payers, but the group of people who volunteer their time to save life and property of others get attacked for their extracurricular activities.

Whatever.
I can't wait for Lindy.

Ok moron do your homework before you attack our military's extracurricular activities. Every Blue Angel has accumulated thousands and thousands of flight hours, combat air time, and are often former test pilots and top gun instructors. They have served their combat duties and none of them are young or under the rank of major which in some cases can take 10 years to earn. All of them can be called to fight in a moments notice and will be there when ordered.

You say the Marine Corps band... well which one brain child? Every Marine Corps base has its own band. Unless you are referring to the “Presidents Own”, if that is what you are referring too many of them are exceptional musicians but nevertheless they still serve their time after their tour of duty with the “Presidents Own”. They will earn that whopping 16k a year depending on their rank. Meanwhile just FYI, when the band Marines aren’t playing their instruments or marching they are practicing for their secondary mission which is rear area security. You know, digging in the defense and manning crew served weapons and attending the required martial arts training. Oh wait, you don’t know. Again all of them can be called to fight in a moments notice and will be there when ordered as they already have for OIF I-V.

The Army Golden Knights are not only a recruitment tool used to entice civilians to join the Army but they are a national and international competitive skydiving team. Many of them come from a Special Forces background or some type of airborne duty. Again these guys have not only paid their dues but this is a temporary assignment as is everything in the military.

It’s not just YOUR tax dollars that pay for these activities, what do you think the military works for free? Do they not get taxed too? At least there is a purpose for their activities and they will be ordered to fight if need be. Money well spent.

Racing teams… what, promote moral, aid in recruitment? Please… I’m a volley also but I don’t see the need for racing teams. Put more time and effort into softball, it’s less expensive. The other person got it right when they said you have people on the race team who only show up (sacrifice their spare time) for racing events and practices and are sometimes living outside of the district.

I’m not bashing Racing, just your argument. Research your information or actually be a vet before you use US as the comparison for your petit argument.

Semper!

[Fi]

WoW easy there semper. Strong coffee ?

I wasn't attacking OUR military I have nothing but the utmost RESPECT for EVERYTHING they do, for US and OUR country.

I merely used them as an example of OTHER taxpayer funded activities.
I personally have no problem with MY tax dollars going to any of those activities, nor do I have a problem with it going towards racing teams. And I never said I was a member of a team either.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

My sugestion:
Build a bridge,
GET OVER IT.

WoW easy there semper. Strong coffee ?

I wasn't attacking OUR military I have nothing but the utmost RESPECT for EVERYTHING they do, for US and OUR country.

I merely used them as an example of OTHER taxpayer funded activities.
I personally have no problem with MY tax dollars going to any of those activities, nor do I have a problem with it going towards racing teams. And I never said I was a member of a team either.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

My sugestion:
Build a bridge,
GET OVER IT.

Sure I'll build a bridge if you make like a banana and SPLIT...

[happy guy]

Numerous departments also use the drill team trailers to transport the G.I. stump jumpers to big brush fires , as the are not made to travel over road very fast.

[A fireman]

Drill Teams for morale????

In my Department The team is a priority when it comes for equipment and repairs. Things are done for them without a thought, mechanically and monetary, but firematic requests are dragged across the Boards desks discussed and looked into and delayed.

There are about 10- 12 members of the team Compared to the almost 200 we have as a whole. Yet the squeeky wheel gets the grease without any questions

You join a fire department to be a firefighter not a weekend boozer recklessly jumping off a truck spraying water at a target.

Oh and the trailer ......it sits in a bay taking up space and gathering dust for all but the "racing season"

[di-hard-racer]

couldnt make the team huh? too much of a man for that anyway? get over it, it's been going on before the 1950's, its not gonna go away ! hope to see you at some races. LOL

couldnt make the team huh? too much of a man for that anyway? get over it, it's been going on before the 1950's, its not gonna go away ! hope to see you at some races. LOL

Holy crap just put this thing to bed already. We all know racing's days are numbered, whether it's 2 years from now or 5 years from now. It's inevitable with al of the audits going on and the county wanting to cut back on spending and taxes. Just start up something that doesn't cost as much and promotes the same comraderie... becuase racing sure as hell isn't a recruitment tool. How about bingo nights lol...

[A fireman]

Sorry I didnt try out for the team So I would not know the beer filled trill of jumping off a Fire truck to squirt water at a target, and I guess the the rest of my Department are a bunch of no goods also. Well then I'll say thank you to the 12 morons

YEAH RIGHT !!!

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

Drill Teams for morale????

In my Department The team is a priority when it comes for equipment and repairs. Things are done for them without a thought, mechanically and monetary, but firematic requests are dragged across the Boards desks discussed and looked into and delayed.

There are about 10- 12 members of the team Compared to the almost 200 we have as a whole. Yet the squeeky wheel gets the grease without any questions

You join a fire department to be a firefighter not a weekend boozer recklessly jumping off a truck spraying water at a target.

Oh and the trailer ......it sits in a bay taking up space and gathering dust for all but the "racing season"

That about wraps it up.

Let's get back to basics. Why did you join the FD? For the racing team or for the residents? If you choose the racing team, apparently you're joining for the wrong reasons. Yes, it's nice to have a racing team, but to be honest, it's just a waste of time and money. The money that goes into the racing team is outragous! No wonder why departments are disbanning the teams. As a taxpayer and member of a department, it's pathetic to see the guys run and practice (play) when a call is going over for a cardiac arrest. We don't have a rescue company nor do we have a VAC. Where's the priorities? The residents or the racing team? You choose.
I'm glad the departments are getting rid of the racing teams!

I'm glad the departments are getting rid of the racing teams!

Who got rid of a team?

I know of at least 3 districts that bought new c rigs for this season.

FD RACING ALIVE AND WELL IN 2006 !

I'm glad the departments are getting rid of the racing teams!

Who got rid of a team?

I know of at least 3 districts that bought new c rigs for this season.

FD RACING ALIVE AND WELL IN 2006 !

New "C" rigs? Taxpaers money well spent.. Bravo.

I'm glad the departments are getting rid of the racing teams!

Who got rid of a team?

I know of at least 3 districts that bought new c rigs for this season.

FD RACING ALIVE AND WELL IN 2006 !

New "C" rigs? Taxpaers money well spent.. Bravo.

oops, taxpayers

Not all teams spend taxpayers money. Some fundraise and pay dues everyrace ect. to pay for everything.

[harryO]

Which few teams would that be?????

Most are suppored with taxpayer funds, supplied by Commisioners who think that supporting these turds will insure their vote to keep them in office.

supplied by Commisioners who think that supporting these turds will insure their vote to keep them in office.


Oh yeahhhhhhhhh they are really counting on those 12 or so votes...........................


MORON. :idea:

[Racers are idiots]

Which teams are "self supported" with NO taxpayer money?.......

Hey you think we got s..t going on?Look at Selden Fire Commissioner allege to have stole money

Racing is very entertaining, but it should not cost the taxpayers one thin dime, there is no real firematic value to racing.
This activity should be self supporting, typically they charge a gate fee to view the race, and they make money on the refreshments. They run other fundraisers, but should not be getting any tax money.
And the Drill Team Captains have too much power, something needs to be done to wrench control over the parades from them. How many Departments are in Suffolk? How many have Drill Teams?

No Tax Money for Racing, it is not firefighting.

No Tax Money for Racing, it is not firefighting.


But it builds morale, and retains and recruits members...

I guess the thought of serving your community doesnt...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No Tax Money for Racing, it is not firefighting.
Most departments spend more money one night on their Installation dinner then all year on their racing team and is that free feed and drunkfest firefighting?

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

No Tax Money for Racing, it is not firefighting.
Most departments spend more money one night on their Installation dinner then all year on their racing team and is that free feed and drunkfest firefighting?

An installation dinner benefits ALL members of a dept, not your select few of a racing team. Except for the 6 years I was an officer and had to show myself, I never went to one. every year, you hear the same $hit over and over again, and the phony hellos and other BS.


As much as I disliked them, EVERY member was entitled to attend these showfests. Some depts invite over 200 members, active and life. The money spent on racing benefits 15-20 members, maybe less.


As the wife of the RVC fireman stated in Newsday; "Take away the perks and only the true firemen will remain" does have validity. Too many "volunteers" look to the FD as a social/athletic club. Even with the money spent on LI, there are still some FD's that have the bare minimum with equipment, and recreational facilities.


I do not have a problem with a guy watching baseball having a beer or 2, but it should not be a poor mans bar, and you should have a limit. After all, when you are in a firehouse, you should be ready to respond, right? Most people appreciate the work the vollies do, but its time to police ourselves.

Get rid of your racing/softball only people, and can the knife and fork brigade.. I would rather have quality than quantity, even if the membership was cut drastically. You would lose nothing, and open up spaces.

As much as I disliked them, EVERY member was entitled to attend these showfests. Some depts invite over 200 members, active and life. The money spent on racing benefits 15-20 members, maybe less


EVERY member in my dept is invited to join the racing team.
I wish more than the 9 that show up now would come down...........

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

As much as I disliked them, EVERY member was entitled to attend these showfests. Some depts invite over 200 members, active and life. The money spent on racing benefits 15-20 members, maybe less


EVERY member in my dept is invited to join the racing team.
I wish more than the 9 that show up now would come down...........

I expect to see a 40 yr member at an installation dinner than on the back of the "B" rig. All that money for 9 ? Waste of taxpayers money, dont ya think? And I don't really think all 200 members of a dept will ever race, especially with depts that have superstars.
and with what, 9 events? Cant put 20 on a racing rig..

Racing could be a good thing

[softball]

But it's okay to spend the same amount of money on the NINE guys who play softball all summer? And don't act like it doesn't happen; there are departments whose softball teams have those huge budgets...

[FF E.F.D.]

Does the softball team need a NASCAR type trailer and $100,000 + worth of racing cars to go around the bases????

The day is coming soon when Commissioners will have to answer to the tax paying public

if you want to race move to mastic with the rest of the toothless wonders

Any races today?

I expect to see a 40 yr member at an installation dinner than on the back of the "B" rig. Cant put 20 on a racing rig..


Theres ALOT more to do with the racing team than get off the trucks.

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

I expect to see a 40 yr member at an installation dinner than on the back of the "B" rig. Cant put 20 on a racing rig..


Theres ALOT more to do with the racing team than get off the trucks.


Oh, ok , buckets,efficiency , wye. Kind of hard to run 35 people in these races, IIRC.

I'm not a fan of dinners either, but ALL members benefit from a night out. Not all benefit from racing. 200 members on a racing team, come on.

And you don't need costly, waste of tax dollars "B" and "C" rigs, either.

Run old fashioned. Stop wasting money on useless non-firefighting apparatus.

[Manager]

The ultimate question becomes, does the cost of having a MOTORIZED drill team validate the membership the drill team brings in and retains. Additionally, how does the drill team affect morale in a positive way, that could not be accomplished in a less lavish way.

I believe once you ask these questions you cannot validate the use of a motorized drill team. Show me one department where the drill team has accomplished these feats. Also, if you are going to name departments please include empirical evidence.

Side Note: At least in my department and the 2 surrounding us the drill team is filled with useless, trouble making members who often put drill team before firefighting. Mostly because individuals who dont carry these negative attributes (more often family men, employed people, non substance abusers) dont have time for the excess of drill team practices and meets.

Until you guys can provde this stuff wrong - Which is may very well be. I am defenitely not accurate in what I say 100% of the time. YOu guys cant say motorized drill team is valid[/u]

racing=losers

Hey you think we got shit going on look at the last post at the “Fire Commissioners of the Selden Fire District

[who friggin cares]

Hey you think we got shit going on look at the last post at the “Fire Commissioners of the Selden Fire District

That's why Skellden has it's own thread. This is about the waste of tax dollars on racing teams.

take a look, it's all the info you might want

www.nysdrillteams.com

take a look, it's all the info you might want

www.nysdrillteams.com


No, it wasn't.

get over it then

[nahhhhhhhhhh]

get over it then

Yes, let it pass how taxpayers money is wasted on egos. Just so you can stay happy. I'll pass.

the post was about the website, comprehend what ur reading !!!

the post was about the website, comprehend what ur reading !!!

I did comprehend what I read, should i be impressed that a few depts racing teams have fundraisers?

Other than that, I learned nothing.

[fotopersons]

good racing season so far, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK......Funny thing, I was at both races so far on the Island and I saw quite a few taxpayers and their families enjoying themselves. Interesting !

RACING SUCKS

[ABC321]

Racing brings out the best Long Island beer bellied white trash.

Big trailers filled with taxpayer funded racing cars.

I like it

[FYIfdracer]

6/24/06 Sat Patchogue Invitational
at Ridge S 9:30 AM ---
7/7/06 Fri Nassau County OF Drill
Mineola at Denton Avenue (NHP) O 6:00 PM ---
7/7/06 Fri Suffolk County Drill at Central Islip S 5:30 PM ---
7/8/06 Sat Nassau County
Mineola at Denton Avenue (NHP) N
NP 9:00 AM 6:00 PM
7/8/06 Sat Suffolk Co. Parade at Central Islip --- 6:00 PM
7/14/06 Fri Joe Hunter Memorial Drill
at Hempstead 6:00 PM ---
7/15/06 Sat Keith Fairben Memorial OF
Drill at Denton Avenue (NHP) O 11:00 AM ---
7/21/06 Fri Rockville Centre OF Invitational O 6:00 PM ---
7/22/06 Sat Rockville Centre Motorized Invite N 11:00 AM ---
7/22/06 Sat Town of Babylon Parade at Babylon --- 6:00 PM
7/23/06 Sun NY State Old Fashioned Drill
at Babylon Village Track O 1:00 PM ---
7/29/06 Sat Central Islip Invitational S 2:00 PM ---

what do all of you think of fd racing? does it raise the insurance for fire districts? which in essence raises the taxes for the taxpayer. is it safe? do the members join for this reason alone?

[Six pack]

FD racing attracts the biggest bunch of loud mouth drunken losers in the fire service. Active for the season and then turn back into the bunch of no shows for the rest of the year.

i like this website, get people going so easily!!!!

FD racing attracts the biggest bunch of loud mouth drunken losers in the fire service. Active for the season and then turn back into the bunch of no shows for the rest of the year.


Sounds like most vollie departments

what do all of you think of fd racing? does it raise the insurance for fire districts? which in essence raises the taxes for the taxpayer. is it safe? do the members join for this reason alone?

FD racing attracts the biggest bunch of loud mouth drunken losers in the fire service. Active for the season and then turn back into the bunch of no shows for the rest of the year.


Sounds like most vollie departments

Some dont even show the whole year around...

[Racers are dicks]

No that would be the FDNY members who only show for the ones that soundlike it might be work or when they want your vote for chief

[dunno about that]

No that would be the FDNY members who only show for the ones that soundlike it might be work or when they want your vote for chief

Most FDNY guys I've seen in 20 + years have always been active, partly due to their shift work. This statement is ridiculous. You may have FDNY guys like that in some depts, but the depts I use to stop at with my p/t gig always had FDNY guys very active.

For every one FDNY guy you talk about, you probably have 10 or more guys that do even less. Throw them all out. Start with your racing do nothings, then work your way down.

[yetanother]

Ohh come on these guys can't get out for calls but they don't miss a tournament or a dinner...its BS I say

[city employee]

isn,t this that get together they have before the main event...

the PARADE..................

isn,t this that get together they have before the main event...

the PARADE.................. :idea:

are you people that ignorant to think that there is no funding coming from the fire districts, what the hell is wrong with you. the fire districts fund drill teams through many line items of there budget, such as;

vehicle repair for class "b " and "C" hose tenders
uniforms for members
and any other fire district equipment like buckets, hose, couplings and all the ammenities that go along with the team

[sorry 2 correct u]

are you people that ignorant to think that there is no funding coming from the fire districts, what the hell is wrong with you. the fire districts fund drill teams through many line items of there budget, such as;

vehicle repair for class "b " and "C" hose tenders
uniforms for members
and any other fire district equipment like buckets, hose, couplings and all the ammenities that go along with the team


Actually its a class "B" pumper
and a class "C" hose tender.

If your going to whine at least get it right.................

[racin4eva]

you are all douchbags... racing will go on forever and all your bitching and crying will not stop it hahahahaha thanks for the tax dollars and keep it coming dicks

you are all douchbags... racing will go on forever and all your bitching and crying will not stop it hahahahaha thanks for the tax dollars and keep it coming dicks

WORD ! Mo Fo'

FD RACING = LOSERS =TOOTHLESS NASCAR WANNABES=WASTE OF MONEY GET A LIFE AND MAKE SOME CALLS

[Dick Gozenya]

FD RACING = LOSERS =TOOTHLESS NASCAR WANNABES=WASTE OF MONEY GET A LIFE AND MAKE SOME CALLS


Waaaaaaaaaaaa :cry:
Get a life skirt.

[Fireman 1st]

HOW TO END RACING ......One of you dicks have to get splattered on the course.

Sorry but firefighting is dangerous enough without some YAHOO no show racer only vollie, jump off a speeding taxpayer funded racecar, wearing olny a hockey hemet and knee pads.

[The kid from the west]

Fire Response: Full Turnout gear, seatbelts, OSHA compliant vehicles.

Drill team: stand on the back step, Speed recklessly for no other reason but to beat a timed score, wear a hockey helmet, t stirt, shorts, sneakers, shin guards. Jump off a moving vehicle.

Get hurt and get the same EXACT medical and insurance deal as if you were hurt doing something worthwhile LIKE FIGHTING A FIRE

RACING IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER FUNDS

[Dick Gozenya]

Fire Response: Full Turnout gear, seatbelts, OSHA compliant vehicles.

Drill team: stand on the back step, Speed recklessly for no other reason but to beat a timed score, wear a hockey helmet, t stirt, shorts, sneakers, shin guards. Jump off a moving vehicle.

Get hurt and get the same EXACT medical and insurance deal as if you were hurt doing something worthwhile LIKE FIGHTING A FIRE

RACING IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER FUNDS


I'll say it again if your going to whine like a little bitch AT LEAST GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

We don't stand just on the back step, the class "B" pumper also has steps on the side.

Nobody "speeds recklessly". The driver speeds down a track in a straight line. There is no recklessness involved.

It would be against the NYSVFPDTCA rule book to wear shorts in a tournament.

We usually only wear shin guards during ladder events, and again usually just the climber. Most of us do however wear elbow and knee pads for protection.

Not everybody wears a hockey helmet, some wear bicycle helmets.

We don't always jump off a moving truck, sometimes it comes to a stop first.

There are alot of things besides racing that are a waste of taxpayer funds. Do you have a bitch rant for those too ?


NOW ON THE OTHER HAND:
I have yet to see ANYONE wear a seatbelt while responding to a call. :oops:

HOW TO END RACING ......One of you dicks have to get splattered on the course.

Sorry but firefighting is dangerous enough without some YAHOO no show racer only vollie, jump off a speeding taxpayer funded racecar, wearing olny a hockey hemet and knee pads.that explains it I see these guys riding in the little school busses licking the windows

[Tom Morrow]

HOW TO END RACING ......One of you dicks have to get splattered on the course.

Sorry but firefighting is dangerous enough without some YAHOO no show racer only vollie, jump off a speeding taxpayer funded racecar, wearing olny a hockey hemet and knee pads.that explains it I see these guys riding in the little school busses licking the windows


You probably saw the softball team, THEY like to wear their helmets ALL the time, and they lick more than windows.........

[racin4eva]

hey kid fromwest and fireman first......what happened you pussies couldnt cut it on the team and now you have a hard on for it ?? sucks for you just keep on paying you taxes (if you do ) so i can keep on doing what you douchbags cant........ fireman 1st sounds like one of them hero fdny members talk about do nothing losers all the ones in my department are all drunken assholes... you know fdny is a civil service job right??? kinda like garbage men!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sal 700]

Hmm lets see join a Dept To fight fires, maybe save a life, work hard, train and respond to alarms to serve your community

OR

Get involved with racing. Get to hang out with a bunch of toothless, jobless, drunk, wannabes whose only connection to the fire department is leaching tax dollars from district residents so that you can have a custom tactor trailer haul Racecars all over Long Island and upstate so you children can jump off and hit a target with a hose, carry buckets up a ladder etc. Get covered for alarms that you miss while practicing your hobby. Drink up and act like total assholes at parades.

Dont worry about getting hurt because the same insurance will cover you just like if you were actually performing the job you joined to do.

Get rid of these wastes of tax payer funds now.

[racin4eva]

sal sal sal dont know what you mean.. i got all my teeth but thanks for thoughts...now shut up and pay your taxes WE NEED MORE BEER BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ENG 2]

Pay no attention to "Racin4eva"

Most likey an 19 year old punk who would rather drink beer and run around on a race course than become a real fireman and enter a burning house.

You cant fight fires, but can talk a big game because your a "racer". Your doing all of us a real favor by staying on the track and out of the heat .

[racin4eva]

nah eng2 you got me all wrong i am not a 19 year old kid on the team i have 20 years of fire service so blow yourself you are probably one of those losers who wait around the firehouse waiting for "the job" to come in so you can jerk off and talk about it for the next week after and you sit around your scanner to hear what is going on around your pitifull life sleep well hahahahahahaha

nah eng2 you got me all wrong i am not a 19 year old kid on the team i have 20 years of fire service so blow yourself you are probably one of those losers who wait around the firehouse waiting for "the job" to come in so you can jerk off and talk about it for the next week after and you sit around your scanner to hear what is going on around your pitifull life sleep well hahahahahahaha

I think I know who this is and you don't have 20 years. Maybe ten and you're on your way out. Heal up soon loser.

[racin4eva]

think again im an exchief of a nassau dept and on the team and i can tell you that the guys on my team have some of the highest percentages in the department YEAR ROUND!!!!!!! so to all you racing haters out ther deal with it it is not going away enjoy waiting for the BIG ONE losers hahahahahaha

think again im an exchief of a nassau dept and on the team and i can tell you that the guys on my team have some of the highest percentages in the department YEAR ROUND!!!!!!! so to all you racing haters out ther deal with it it is not going away enjoy waiting for the BIG ONE losers hahahahahaha

I think you're lying. But just in case I'm wrong, any department that would have a guy like you as chief must be the bottom of the barrel. However, I don't think I'm wrong.

[racin4eva]

guest your opinion means nothing to me.... bottom of the barrel?? i can only imagine your life i bet you are sitting with your pager on your side on scan right?? get a life you loser and grow some balls and step on a track sometime dont worry you wont miss the big call im sure all your loser buddies will call you on the phone to tell you about it if it happens.......bye bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

guest your opinion means nothing to me.... bottom of the barrel?? i can only imagine your life i bet you are sitting with your pager on your side on scan right?? get a life you loser and grow some balls and step on a track sometime dont worry you wont miss the big call im sure all your loser buddies will call you on the phone to tell you about it if it happens.......bye bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
bye mike

I think all volly racing is a waste! You douche bags can't even get out for calls. Yet you manage to make sure you're all there for a race. Volly's suck and are pathetic. Your days are numbered.

[Waaaaaaaa]

I think all volly racing is a waste! You douche bags can't even get out for calls. Yet you manage to make sure you're all there for a race. Volly's suck and are pathetic. Your days are numbered.


Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa

You guys suck Waaaaaaaaaa
Waaaaaaaaaa
Mommy didnt hug me enough waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[go team]

A big NEWSDAY report on the abuse of tax dollars used for Race teams is something I would not mind.

Residents should also go to commissioners meetings and ask how much money is spent each year for their motor "Tuneups"

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

A big NEWSDAY report on the abuse of tax dollars used for Race teams is something I would not mind.

Residents should also go to commissioners meetings and ask how much money is spent each year for their motor "Tuneups"

Would be nice, but nothing would be done. Newsday printed an article on a dept that spent $250,000 on a tractor trailer, etc. to win the state championship. And the commisioner replied "Well, I guess we got our moneys worth."

$250,000 isn't your moneys worth, it's the taxpayers.

But yet no posts have ever been made to justify wasting money on racing.

[WAAAaaaaaaa]

A big NEWSDAY report on the abuse of tax dollars used for Race teams is something I would not mind.

Residents should also go to commissioners meetings and ask how much money is spent each year for their motor "Tuneups"

Would be nice, but nothing would be done. Newsday printed an article on a dept that spent $250,000 on a tractor trailer, etc. to win the state championship. And the commisioner replied "Well, I guess we got our moneys worth."

$250,000 isn't your moneys worth, it's the taxpayers.

But yet no posts have ever been made to justify wasting money on racing.


Cry baby.
Now just how did a tractor trailer help win a torny ???????

STOP exaggerating you skirt.

Theres ALOT of taxpayer waste in ALL walks of life, I don't see any posts to justify those either.
Whats your point ?

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

A big NEWSDAY report on the abuse of tax dollars used for Race teams is something I would not mind.

Residents should also go to commissioners meetings and ask how much money is spent each year for their motor "Tuneups"

Would be nice, but nothing would be done. Newsday printed an article on a dept that spent $250,000 on a tractor trailer, etc. to win the state championship. And the commisioner replied "Well, I guess we got our moneys worth."

$250,000 isn't your moneys worth, it's the taxpayers.

But yet no posts have ever been made to justify wasting money on racing.


Cry baby.
Now just how did a tractor trailer help win a torny ???????

STOP exaggerating you skirt.

Theres ALOT of taxpayer waste in ALL walks of life, I don't see any posts to justify those either.
Whats your point ?


Exaggerating? Read Newsday, you skirt. It is in black and white, those words. Quoted from a Commisioner.

Yes, there is ALOT of waste in government. Instead of posting BS and calling people skirts, why don't YOU find something that wastes taxpayer dollars and post it?

Seems because you race, it's not a waste of money. And there are many other ways to recruit and retain members, much cheaper than racing. If you don't want to look in the fire service for waste (obviously), go for the schools, or hit Islip Town for MacArthur Airport.

Or do what the citizens are doing for school sports, have more fundraisers. Or is it easier for your District to just give you money for stuff?

[FF!]

We dont put out fires anymore with buckets

[yellow]

termite ladder team crack up today

termite ladder team crack up today

:?:

injuries :?:

[taxpayer fff]

Not to worry the injuries will be listed as line of duty and the dist. insurance will pick it up

Any equipment damaged....tax payers hit with another bill

Not to worry the injuries will be listed as line of duty and the dist. insurance will pick it up

Any equipment damaged....tax payers hit with another bill

As it should be.......................


Anyway MY concern was for the members, not if YOU might have to pay an extra five cents on your property tax :shock:


Typical of our society though, more concerned about YOURSELF than another who may have been seriously HURT.


Thanks for chiming in though, now gfy.

Not to worry the injuries will be listed as line of duty and the dist. insurance will pick it up

Any equipment damaged....tax payers hit with another bill

As it should be.......................


Anyway MY concern was for the members, not if YOU might have to pay an extra five cents on your property tax :shock:


Typical of our society though, more concerned about YOURSELF than another who may have been seriously HURT.


Thanks for chiming in though, now gfy.


And the point is missed. Taxpayers paying for toys. EXPENSIVE toys. But glad injuries are not serious.

Telling someone GFY, a real dignified response. You can do better than that.

Telling someone GFY, a real dignified response. You can do better than that.


Sorry but it's about as dignified as your gonna get from me in fartys sewer report.

Telling someone GFY, a real dignified response. You can do better than that.


Sorry but it's about as dignified as your gonna get from me in fartys sewer report.

Maybe so, but sort of diminishes any point you make, whether we agree or disagree. JMO

racing should be abolished, in my opinion it is serious insurance fraud, how they get away with classifying the "B" and "C" trucks as class b and class c hose tenders is ridiculous. the trucks are not built to fight any fires nor do they benefit any department with the exception of the handful of members that are part of the "club". the districts that classify any injuries as line of duty or training injuries are just as guilty. i hope that the state steps in finally and shuts the racing teams down and maybe we can all concentrate on what is truly important to the community, FIGHTING FIRES. if anyone remembers that is what we are fire fighters, not priority #1 racing team members and #2 firefighters or worse, part time firefighters when racing has not started.

GET RID OF THE FRIGGIN TEAMS AND GET BACK TO BASICS........

NOW............................................... ...........

AMEN.............................................. ................

[plain n simple]

GET RID OF THE FRIGGIN TEAMS AND GET BACK TO BASICS........

NOW............................................... ...........



NO

[SJFD]

I think at on time in the 50's or the 60's the racing teams probably did attract some new memebers into the service. But I don't believe that is the case anymore, at least not in Saint James. Saint James has such a little turn out they went to our neighboring Departments to recruit guys for the team. Which I am surprised the other teams don't complain about. But as far a waste of tax dollars I really don't know. If it draws new members maybe it is worth it?

If your theory is to dump the Racing teams then what is next, Softball, Bowling, Fund Raisers, Dances, Parades, Jolts Tournaments and then what hanging out at the Fire House. Turn them all into Ghost Towns so the self proclaimed Holier then Thou Paid Professional can take over.

Give it a rest already - Yes Racing costs money but it does keep the troops working together. If your department lets the Racing team members get away with not responding, then take the Chief to task for letting it happen - not cry like a little girl on this or any other site.

[kpl10003]

Keeps all 15 drunks in one place so they won't hurt anyone

Maybe you are a little girl and don't have the BRASS to even get on the back of a "B" or "C" truck. If thats the case you mostly don't have the BRASS to go into a structure and get someone out either.

Just another ungrateful or jealous A$$ wipe, maybe even one of those guys who stays at home with the little woman on the weekend because she won't let you out of the house!