fd racing, what do you think?

[Scrreeech]

Keeps all 15 drunks in one place so they won't hurt anyone

Best rationalization i heard yet, and probably true. :lol:

[rev em up]

white trash fat chicks love drunk racers

[guest 89]

leave your mom out of this

[guilty]

leave your mom out of this

That was his Mom I was with? Damn, I'm throwing away the number now.

[dd4]

Feedom of Information act : All you have to do is ask and find out how much money your District wastes on these clowns

Feedom of Information act : All you have to do is ask and find out how much money your District wastes on these clowns


Very interesting. The districts have clowns now ?
Like what, those guys that do fire provention education at the schools and stuff ??

Hey if it helps to teach kids fire safety, why not spend some money on it ?????

Geez, whats next ? Your gonna bitch about how much is spent on toilet paper ? Really now......

[ohkay.]

Running 3 man ladder, C Hose B hose, is fire prevention ? hmm i musta missed that exhibit in pre-school :roll: :cry:

[T Man]

Do some Departments still use buckets to put out fires????


Fire Prevention, Softball, Baseball, dont require NASCAR type trailers and $100,000 racing Trucks.

termite ladder team crack up today

:?:

injuries :?:what about 2 men injured in West Islip 1 two broken legs another fell from the tower he was in intensive care and that was only practice.Want to bet lawsuits ?

termite ladder team crack up today

:?:

injuries :?:What abouy the two meembers of West islip Fire Department.1 who broke both legs Commissioners son another who fell from the tower and was put in the intensive care unit.Taxpayers to foot the bill also Law Suit?

termite ladder team crack up today

:?:

injuries :?:What abouy the two meembers of West islip Fire Department.1 who broke both legs Commissioners son another who fell from the tower and was put in the intensive care unit.Taxpayers to foot the bill also Law Suit? :cry:

[MCKA1]

The injuries that occur at these events are written up as "DEPARTMENT TRAINING/DRILL" ...... Insurance fraud

The vehicles.....not to worry, no expense spared, District employees will drop everything and make sure those trucks are back in servive forthwith!!!!

[rained out]

Fire Prevention, Softball, Baseball, dont require NASCAR type trailers and $100,000 racing Trucks.

They require only one ball.........

I don't think it's the sport so much in itself that is the problem here. All you have to do is look at the crowds that show up to watch these events. People love to watch them and they're alot of fun. People love watching crazy and dangerous sports, no question about it. The problem lies in the funding. I don't think it's a big deal to fund food, soda, etc. because it is a department function and it is just as much of a extra-curicular activity as a dept. softball team is. But I don't think the taxpayers should be paying for the trucks and the accidental insurance. The way I see it, these teams should make more of an effort to find sponsors for the trucks, equip., etc. If they wanted to, they can make this into a NASCAR kind of thing, all paid for by sponsors. These guys honestly love racing. If they love it so much, they should try to do the right thing. I'll tell you right now, they State Comptroller will come down on this abuse of spending in the near future. If the guys want to save this sport, they have to start hustleing businesses for sponsorships. Then, the sport would be a hundred times better. No misspending of tax dollars will bring the sport to a new level.

But I don't think the taxpayers should be paying for the accidental insurance.

But the "accidental insurance" for the softball team is ok though..................

[WHOOA BUDDY.]

Fire Prevention, Softball, Baseball, dont require NASCAR type trailers and $100,000 racing Trucks.

They require only one ball.........

Well racing requires two! HAHA
and a beer in both hand dont forget that. :wink:

[Dr Phill]

Racers only need half a brain and two livers

Going upstate for three-four days of taxpayer funded boozing, motel rooms, and a drill that most teams have no chance to win is not helping your next door neighbor, if his house burns while three chiefs, six vehicles, and 50 men are on vacation. Of course you need anyone who can go march in the parade. Like the hicks upstate need to see line after line of drunk firemen cracking jokes in line, making fun of people who actually wasted their time watching, and taking no pride in the uniform they wear or flag they walk behind. Fixed parade prizes, where is my beer and free food at the end... come on guys, this is a waste and you free loaders all know it...

[freedy]

as a fire fighter at time of injury you are considered a employe of that fire dept under ny state compensation you can not sue your employer as far as special insurance the insurance they carry is the same as for regular fife fighting there is no special insuranc just for racing and even if they did not have a team they would pay the same it is compensation determined by job hazzard and pay roll

[Frankie says.......]

Relax
Going upstate for three-four days of taxpayer funded boozing, motel rooms, and a drill that most teams have no chance to win..........


NO upstate taxpayer paid for any "boozing" or rooms. O.K. ?

[Frankie also says.....]

Relax
Going upstate for three-four days of taxpayer funded boozing, motel rooms, and a drill that most teams have no chance to win..........


NO upstate taxpayer paid for any "boozing" or rooms. O.K. ?


P.S. And what if they did ? What business is it of yours ?

[Toll booth]

The tax payers of the LI Dept pay for the trip upstate.

Maybe NEWSDAY should sit by the thruway and take pictures of the millions of dollars worth of Chiefs cars, vans, and racing trailers that left LI for the white trash boozefest upstate.

[I say...........]

Relax
Going upstate for three-four days of taxpayer funded boozing, motel rooms, and a drill that most teams have no chance to win..........


NO upstate taxpayer paid for any "boozing" or rooms. O.K. ?

Someone a tiny weeny bit defencive? :roll:

that racing crap has got to stop.... I'm a non fire dept tax payer and i don't mind paying my fire service tax money but if its going to a bunch of people that are jumping off of race cars, then........i shouldn't have to pay for that............and i don't want to here that those teams raise there own money because that's bull!! don't think that the residents don't know that you guys are getting funds from the fire dept, because guess what, we know! I don't see the FDNY jumping off race cars! volunteers shouldn't be doing it either ! :!: :!:

[lobie]

waste of money

[guest56]

true

[Thanks, but....]

......... I'm a non fire dept tax payer and i don't mind paying my fire service tax money but if its going to a bunch of people that are jumping off of race cars, then........i shouldn't have to pay for that............and i don't want to here that those teams raise there own money because that's bull!! don't think that the residents don't know that you guys are getting funds from the fire dept.....................


Thanks, but your tax money does not go to the fire DEPARTMENT, it goes to the fire DISTRICT.

If your going to bitch at least know what your talking about.

[you should get it right]

Well if your going to correct someone than you should get it right. It only goes to the fire district if they are a fire district. Not all are. Some are city fire departments (Long Beach, Glen Cove), some are villagesand some are private fire companies contracted for fire protection. So before you beat your chest have YOUR facts right.

Well if your going to correct someone than you should get it right. It only goes to the fire district if they are a fire district. Not all are. Some are city fire departments (Long Beach, Glen Cove), some are villagesand some are private fire companies contracted for fire protection. So before you beat your chest have YOUR facts right.

ALL of them have a governing board ( be it commissioners, trustees, directors)
THIS is where the tax money goes.

IT DOES NOT GO TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT

[insane in da membranee]

lets just call it like it is. You can hide all the facts with bs all you want, but it still utilizes taxpayer money to survive. the biggest kick is when these yokkells go up state and drink. Hey, we saw what went on, and what was allowed. Shame on you, mr elected official. Need proof, check the myspace.com page. it amazes me how much a department will spend just to race. My department's team could n't win in a wharehouse with a hand full of fifties, but I am sure they have tried

[Fireman First !]

Fire Districts get the tax money and they spend it on mostly legit things BUT some districts (A large amount of them ) spend money on these racing team vehicles.

These vehicles are all custom built and some cost close to $100,000. Throw in Tractors with custom built Enclosed transportation Trailers.

Add yearly maintinance (tuning a race engine can cost thousands of dollars, racing fuel, transport truck maintenance, District employees used to drive these vehicles. The abuse continues.

[Hells Angel]

What a group of ass hats
get your crap straight. The district does NOT support the "B" and "C" trucks the Dept does. NO tax $$$$$$$$

ALL of them have a governing board ( be it commissioners, trustees, directors)
THIS is where the tax money goes.

IT DOES NOT GO TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT


Not true.

As a former member of the Board of Commissioners of a Fire COMPANY (not Department), any money that comes in goes to the COMPANY. The Fire Company is a corporation that contracts its services to the County (Nassau) and several Incorporated Villages.

When we wanted new racing equipment, we'd include it as a line-item budget proposal for the following years budget, and have to get it approved by the "village fathers". Sometimes they said yes, sometimes no.

ALL of them have a governing board ( be it commissioners, trustees, directors)
THIS is where the tax money goes.

IT DOES NOT GO TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT


Not true.

As a former member of the Board of Commissioners of a Fire COMPANY (not Department), any money that comes in goes to the COMPANY. The Fire Company is a corporation that contracts its services to the County (Nassau) and several Incorporated Villages.

When we wanted new racing equipment, we'd include it as a line-item budget proposal for the following years budget, and have to get it approved by the "village fathers". Sometimes they said yes, sometimes no.

[Heinous Anus]

What a group of ass hats
get your crap straight. The district does NOT support the "B" and "C" trucks the Dept does. NO tax $$$$$$$$


Not everywhere.

[Is it me or.......]

Isn't this what I said ?

As a former member of the Board of Commissioners of a Fire COMPANY (not Department), any money that comes in goes to the COMPANY. The Fire Company is a corporation that contracts its services to the County (Nassau) and several Incorporated Villages.

When we wanted new racing equipment, we'd include it as a line-item budget proposal for the following years budget, and have to get it approved by the "village fathers". Sometimes they said yes, sometimes no.




When we wanted new racing equipment, we'd include it as a line-item budget proposal for the following years budget, and have to get it approved by the "village fathers". Sometimes they said yes, sometimes no.


So in other words there is a governing board ( be it commissioners, trustees, directors) OR "VILLAGE FATHERS" who approve tax money being spent. NOT the department, company WHATEVER you want to call it.


RIGHT :?: :shock:

[Tax money]

Maybe not in your department But in Nassau....

MANY DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM EQUIPMENT IS TOTALLY FUNDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT!!!!!!

These vehicles are actually given fire apparatus "numbers" to justify their exsistance..... or to hide the fact that they are just useless weekend beer transport units.

Oh by the way, which Departments recieve NO TAXPAYER FUNDS WHAT SO EVER ..huh???

Be proud and tell us will you ! Theres no reason not to tell us.

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

Maybe not in your department But in Nassau....

MANY DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM EQUIPMENT IS TOTALLY FUNDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT!!!!!!

These vehicles are actually given fire apparatus "numbers" to justify their exsistance..... or to hide the fact that they are just useless weekend beer transport units.

Oh by the way, which Departments recieve NO TAXPAYER FUNDS WHAT SO EVER ..huh???

Be proud and tell us will you ! Theres no reason not to tell us.


You're kidding, right? Like they are gonna disclose that?? We can't even get a dignified response to simple questions to justify wasting money on it.. Shame, isn't it?

[TAX MONEY]

[quote=Tax money]Maybe not in your department But in Nassau....

MANY DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM EQUIPMENT IS TOTALLY FUNDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT!!!!!!

These vehicles are actually given fire apparatus "numbers" to justify their exsistance..... or to hide the fact that they are just useless weekend beer transport units.

Oh by the way, which Departments recieve NO TAXPAYER FUNDS WHAT SO EVER ..huh???

Be proud and tell us will you ! Theres no reason not to tell us.



Before all the Nitpickers jump on this, I want to clarify the question:

WHICH DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM DOES NOT GET ANY MONEY FROM THIER "FIRE DISTRICT"

[applause]

Before all the Nitpickers jump on this, I want to clarify the question:

WHICH DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM DOES NOT GET ANY MONEY FROM THIER "FIRE DISTRICT"


Thank you. Finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
Drill teams USUALLY get their funding from the fire district NOT department.

I never said the district doesn't fund the drill team. What I said was the drill team is NOT funded by the DEPARTMENT.

Maybe not in your department But in Nassau....

MANY DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM EQUIPMENT IS TOTALLY FUNDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT!!!!!!

Yes this is true, Suffolk also.

These vehicles are actually given fire apparatus "numbers" to justify their exsistance.....

Well they are apparatus ASSIGNED to the department why wouldnt they have an identifier ?


or to hide the fact that they are just useless weekend beer transport units.

The racing vehicles have NEVER been used to transport beer, we have utility vehicles for that.

Oh by the way, which Departments recieve NO TAXPAYER FUNDS WHAT SO EVER ..huh???

Be proud and tell us will you ! Theres no reason not to tell us.

All departments.
You pay property tax to the fire DISTRICT not the department.
The money you send to the DEPARTMENT for the annual fund drive is a donation. Don't like how the department spends your donation ?

DONT DONATE

[TAXMONEY]

I see this is turning into a complete fiasco about Dist/ Dept Spending ..... Lets look at my Nassau Dept .

Fund Raising/yearly collections/subscription drive/fund drive... whichever you chose to call it, in my Department goes to the yearly operating budget of the Department and Companies. It is a totally voluntary contribution from the residents. We dont buy trucks or gear thats the Districts responsibility.

My FIRE DISTRICT Collects TAXES , Which You HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO "DONATE" TO. With this money the DISTRICT maintains firehouses, trucks, losap funds various other DISTRICT EXPENSES such as utilities, and insurance. The DISTRICT also buys Apparatus INCLUDING RACE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS AND VANS AND FUEL AND ALL RELATED EQUIPMENT FOR RACING INCLUDING REPAIRS AND YEARLY SERVICES. WITH THE TAX MONEY THAT THE RESIDENTS PAY.


Now since I made it pretty simple now, that even a drunken race team member could MAYBE understand it. WHICH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE ARE NOT FUNDED IN ANY WAY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????????

[YO crack head]

I see this is turning into a complete fiasco about Dist/ Dept Spending ..... Lets look at my Nassau Dept .

Fund Raising/yearly collections/subscription drive/fund drive... whichever you chose to call it, in my Department goes to the yearly operating budget of the Department and Companies. It is a totally voluntary contribution from the residents. We dont buy trucks or gear thats the Districts responsibility.

My FIRE DISTRICT Collects TAXES , Which You HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO "DONATE" TO. With this money the DISTRICT maintains firehouses, trucks, losap funds various other DISTRICT EXPENSES such as utilities, and insurance. The DISTRICT also buys Apparatus INCLUDING RACE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS AND VANS AND FUEL AND ALL RELATED EQUIPMENT FOR RACING INCLUDING REPAIRS AND YEARLY SERVICES. WITH THE TAX MONEY THAT THE RESIDENTS PAY.


Now since I made it pretty simple now, that even a drunken race team member could MAYBE understand it. WHICH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE ARE NOT FUNDED IN ANY WAY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????????


J E S U S
YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION.
Maybe you should make it simple enough that YOU can understand it.
Lets review.
Your question:
"WHICH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE ARE NOT FUNDED IN ANY WAY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????????"

Answer:
NONE

Here are YOUR words:
My FIRE DISTRICT Collects TAXES , Which You HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO "DONATE" TO. With this money the DISTRICT maintains firehouses, trucks, losap funds various other DISTRICT EXPENSES such as utilities, and insurance. The DISTRICT also buys Apparatus INCLUDING RACE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS AND VANS AND FUEL AND ALL RELATED EQUIPMENT FOR RACING INCLUDING REPAIRS AND YEARLY SERVICES. WITH THE TAX MONEY THAT THE RESIDENTS PAY.
P.S. PAYING your taxes is NOT a donation.

[TAXP AYER]

My FIRE DISTRICT Collects TAXES , Which You HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO "DONATE" TO.

Well you drunken coked out drill team member. Can you see that donate is printed in quotes. Thats the little " " things. Its being sarcastic jack off.

I'll make it even easier ok .......

FIRE DISTRICTS collect mandatory fee's known as TAXES.

Now I'll ask again ...Since there are alledgedly Teams out there who say they do not recieve any money that comes from taxes to pay for their teams ( Trucks equipment, repairs etc.) WHO ARE YOU ???


Taxpayer monies should not be used for racing teams. They are totally useless and serve no purpose what so ever. How can a District justify spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on trucks trailers van, and yearly repairs on these money pits

If you read further down nitwit I clarified the question TAX MONEY wrote:
Before all the Nitpickers jump on this, I want to clarify the question:

WHICH DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM DOES NOT GET ANY MONEY FROM THIER "FIRE DISTRICT"

[u crack head]

WHICH DEPARTMENTS DRILL TEAM DOES NOT GET ANY MONEY FROM THIER "FIRE DISTRICT"

I see you put the crack pipe down long enough to get the QUESTION right.


Answer:
Probably none.


BTW? Whats a TAXP AYER ?

[freedy]

that racing crap has got to stop.... I'm a non fire dept tax payer and i don't mind paying my fire service tax money but if its going to a bunch of people that are jumping off of race cars, then........i shouldn't have to pay for that............and i don't want to here that those teams raise there own money because that's bull!! don't think that the residents don't know that you guys are getting funds from the fire dept, because guess what, we know! I don't see the FDNY jumping off race cars! volunteers shouldn't be doing it either ! :!: :!:they get paid

[disgrace]

In my District, if theres something wrong with any of the drill team equipment during the racing season,everything else is put on hold by the Clowns called Commissioners, and direct all employees to work on the drill teams first, that means that if front line fire apparatus needs repairs it has to wait.

Its amazing what power 15 drunken do nothings have over a district.

Make sure you all get out to Hempstead on the 9th, no better chance to see tax dollars from across the state pissed away.
Oh that's right it's training and recruitment. What's the other BS line? Something like racing team members are the most active and best FF's in every department. :lol: :lol:

http://www.claytonfiredepartment.org/images/06nnyc/DrillTeamBLadder.jpg
http://www.amityvillefiredept.org/images/BTruck4.jpg
http://www.farmingvillefiredepartment.org/images/banditracebckgrd.jpg
http://www.amityvillefiredept.org/images/BTruck1984StateDrill.jpg
http://www.babylonfd.com/images/adrillhse.jpg
http://www.babylonfd.com/images/adrilltanner.jpg

wow those are some vintage photos

[racin4 eva]

hey all you bitches.. being that the racing season has been extended into september please be sure to pay your taxes on time so we can pay for the extra beer and steak we will need on the 9th in hempstead thanks again for the toys losers hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaa

[MUAHAHA]

New toys same d ouches. :D

And thanks for the laugh bro. HAHA

[racin4eva]

new toys? whatever d#*k!!!!!!!

Hell, never a problem with toys when its on the taxpayers dole.

And this is why people should ignore it when vollies show up at their door, beggin' for more money.

RACING IS FOR THE WHITE TRASH OF THE FIRE DEPTS......LETS ALL LOOK AT THEM AND LAUGH......HAHAHAHAHAHA...........WHAT IDIOT WANTS TO JUMP OFF A TRUCK AT 100 MPH? THE ONES THAT DRINK 24HRS A DAY...AND ONLY COME AROUND WHEN ITS RACING SEASON...THEY NEVER HELP GET THE TRUCK OUT......AND WHEN ITS NOT DRILL TEAM SEASON, THEY ARE SITTING DOWN AT THE TRACK WONDERING HOW THEY CAN CHEAT THE NEXT YEAR TO GET SOME POINTS!!! :D [/b]

[Fireman001]

Gee I wonder how much Firefighting equipment that LI FD's could buy if the got rid of these useless pieces of crap.

[racin4eva]

HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racin4eva]

what? race teams or losers like you who bash what you cant be part of??? whats that i hear you scanner in the backround ???? hey sign me will ya!!!! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[what a joke u are]

what? race teams or losers like you who bash what you cant be part of??? whats that i hear you scanner in the backround ???? hey sign me will ya!!!! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Nice post. It's a shame people like you join the vollies to race only. Spending thousands of taxpayers dollars to keep a few guys drunk and happy.

Tell ya what. Let's lobby Albany and ask them to let the 12 or 15 guys that race pay for it out of THIER taxes. Would ya still race if your taxes went up 6,000 more a year? When you REALLY pay for it, you might appreciate it more. Then again, you wont have time to race, cuz ya gotta work 2 more jobs to pay for racing.

I'd rather see my taxes cut 10 bucks than see it wasted on racing.

But relax, we will never see that happen. So enjoy the seaon.

There not jokes brother.

D irtbags is a better suiting word.

[racin4eva]

blahblahblah...whatever just keep paying your taxes...oh and "what a joke u r " i agree with you totaly YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha take care i love you

[racin 4eva]

let me add one more thing.. yea do that lobby Albany..but think about this.. you say "lets see if they would race if their taxes went up 6,00 per year" if everyones taxes went up that much in the district thats roughly 15-20k households that would be alot of coin if every team member had to pay 6,000 to race there would be alot of money left over i dont know how much you think it costs to race but you would be suprised its not as much as you think regardless of what you hear.. our department spends more than that on lipa bills and fuel in a year. i do mantenance on our stuff and DO NOT charge the district for my time..

[homeowner1]

Most of these little punks on the drill teams dont pay taxes anyway. They live with the parents or they rent. In my district every little thing is handled by the district people.

The race trucks, during the racing season, are priority one with the District, sometimes REAL fire apparatus is secondary when it comes to repairs amd maintenace

[Wa$te of dollar$]

let me add one more thing.. yea do that lobby Albany..but think about this.. you say "lets see if they would race if their taxes went up 6,00 per year" if everyones taxes went up that much in the district thats roughly 15-20k households that would be alot of coin if every team member had to pay 6,000 to race there would be alot of money left over i dont know how much you think it costs to race but you would be suprised its not as much as you think regardless of what you hear.. our department spends more than that on lipa bills and fuel in a year. i do mantenance on our stuff and DO NOT charge the district for my time..

Wow, you don't charge the district for your work? I'll give you an attaboy on that one. But remember, LIPA bills and fuel bills ARE necessary to operate an emergency service. Racing trucks are NOT.
As for someone who did race for a few yrs, I do know the importance of what a volunteer fire dept is.

And the costs associated with racing outweigh the means of same. Spending that amount of money for a few races a year is not worth it in this day and age. I have 24 years in the service, and know how the money is spent. So, please, spare us. A fundraiser a yr will not cover the cost of a new motor or pump to replace one blown.

That money will come from taxpayers. Districts nowadays will still give money to racing, albeit in the allotment the dept gets from a district.

Tradition is responding and answering the call for help. Many depts do not get the manpower they got 25-30 yrs ago. And it is worse for some depts that also run EMS. Sorry, numerous activations on one call is one too many, yet districts and depts can't wait to book hotel rooms for the next state tournament.

Obviously, the money can be spent on more important things than racing. You say racing isnt as expensive as we think. Maybe so, but it isnt as cheap as you say it is, either. Even if you don't charge for your repairs.

[racin4eva]

RE: waste of dollars... I must say your post is the most intelligent on this subject yet... however i must ask the question.. what else can the money be better spent on? i doubt ANY district would not spend money on first line apparatus before spending a dime on racing.... my thing is if you have a fire the engines and ladder trucks show up right? if you need an ambulance its there right? in my department more money is spent on fire prevention programs FIRST before any thing is spent on racing.. Like it or not the racing teams bring in people to a dying system.. MOST of the guys are active members in the department FIRST... most departments dont let probies race anyway so they are firemen FIRST .at leat in my department.. It just kills me to hear all these people bashing the racing without knowing tha facts.... its easy to say "beer drinking do nothings" but the reality is most departments dont let you race without FIRST doing the requirements of the department they joined FIRST......

[Wa$te of Dollar$]

RE: waste of dollars... I must say your post is the most intelligent on this subject yet... however i must ask the question.. what else can the money be better spent on? i doubt ANY district would not spend money on first line apparatus before spending a dime on racing.... my thing is if you have a fire the engines and ladder trucks show up right? if you need an ambulance its there right? in my department more money is spent on fire prevention programs FIRST before any thing is spent on racing.. Like it or not the racing teams bring in people to a dying system.. MOST of the guys are active members in the department FIRST... most departments dont let probies race anyway so they are firemen FIRST .at leat in my department.. It just kills me to hear all these people bashing the racing without knowing tha facts.... its easy to say "beer drinking do nothings" but the reality is most departments dont let you race without FIRST doing the requirements of the department they joined FIRST......

Amazing when 2 adults can hold a discussion, huh? The money can be spent on more equipment as needed or (gasp!) returned to the taxpayers. I grew up in the vollies, Dad was on a State Champion team years ago, and raced a few years too.

We can agree every gov't agency has pork barrel projects and other wastes. This doesn't mean if it's ok for the schools, it's ok for us. I've been to team fundraisers and to their credit, other teams come by to support them, but lets's be real. Granted, a new motor or pump doesn't get bought every year, but when replaced isn't cheap. $30k is the latest I get.

Even rigs bought used from other depts are not that cheap anymore, unless you get it w/o a motor and/or pump. Still, in this day and age of post 9/11, some depts (maybe not yours) keep racing a high priority.

As for recruitment, I lean to the disagree side. In my dept (and others), many of the guys who race are very active. And then you have the guys who are there to race only. Guys who do nothing, and it is tolerated. I'm sure you will agree that when a new guy is interviewed, if the reason he was asked why he is joining is to race, he would not be a member (then again......)

If you join a volunteer FD, it should be to serve your community, NOT to race. Maybe policing your own by letting drill teams REQUIRE you make your average, REQUIRE you go to OB/Yaphank drills, et al. Many vollies on the inside are pi$$ed these guys skate, but all is forgotten when a tournament is won. I've seen and heard it.

Rumor has it a suffolk dept is relaxing its requirement rules so it can bring in a former member now in a neighboring dept back there so he can drive the racing rigs. People in both depts know he never went to fires, yet he will be brought back. Priorities??

This dept. also threw out a member a few weeks or months short of his 20 yr life membership, who is also in the FDNY. Trained probies in SCBA, the inter-dept training, fire safety, et al. Yet threw him out, and kept a man who never made his average, but raced. When you put up signs and advertise on a countywide lever you need volunteers, this isn't the way to keep or retain members.

And with taxes going up all the time, spending money to race doesn't justify it to me, as a homeowner and taxpayer. I will say with harder times keeping members, buying tons of equipment to collect dust would be a waste as much as spending it on racing.

Either way, with the costs of living up here like they are, and in this post 9/11 day and age, even as a recruitment you cannot justify spending tax dollars on toys. With almost every dept on LI self sufficient with engines, ladders and heavy rescues, we are mutual aiding more and more each day. We can partly attribute this to NFPA requirements (FAST/RIT teams, 20 min in with bunker gear, etc).

And this can be attributed to a declining membership, since we have to work 3 jobs to live here. For the most part, no one is knocking down doors to become a volunteer like they used to. And if you are going to get guys who just race and do nothing else, well racing as a recruiter defeats the purpose, don't ya think?

The ends do not justify the means in supporting racing. Though I did have fun doing it, the costs, be it through fundraising and taxpayer money, are still expensive for the few that do it. I am not having a "Screw you, I did it and you can't attitude", but times are different. Bunker gear, enclosed cabs, etc. etc. are signs of changing times. I miss the 3/4's and riding the backstep, but like racing should be, it's time to move on.

However, if your fundraisers generate enough money to support a season, go for it. But if ya blow a motor and cant race, tax money should not be used to repair it. And it is. Even if I received 75 bucks off my taxes from the district. its still 75 bucks. Multiply that by the houses in town and it is a big amount. Spending it on racing or equipment to collect dust is wrong either way.

And you might get better PR returning something to the taxpayers when you need something down the road. I try to look at the 2 sides to a discussion, and I will return the compliment by saying your replies to my posts and others is not juvenile like others have (scroll back, see for yourself). Be safe, stay well.

[Just my 2 cents]

Being in the volunteer fire service for 22 years I have never met a member who joined my Department just because of the Drill team.

Most teams are cliques, and if they showed as much dedication to showing up to alarms and firematic training as they do to their racing drills they would be great firemen. There is an obvious change once these new members get into racing; dedication to the Company they joined fades and more and more time is spent with a team. They seem to forget that they joined to become firemen first and everything else SHOULD be second. I have seen probies totally abandon mandatory fire training to race with the team. When I as a Company officer confronted a probie about missing this Firematic Training, I had the wrath of the team come down on me, backed up by the Chiefs who were past racers. It became so serious that it almost came to a physical attack on be from the team. (Until they remembered I was a cop). All because I wanted an inexperienced probationary member attend training that might save his or a member of the publics life.

Funding: Truthfully, Lets face it, a pancake breakfast won't pay for the race teams equipment and repairs, and any team member who tells you different is an outright liar. They are custom made and cost a fortune to build and repair.

MOST Fire Districts pay these expenses FULLY. As someone else posted, yes, I have also seen my District put the team equipment repairs first with no expense spared. I have seen Board members question, table and otherwise delay buying fire equipment but find a backdoor way to pay for drill team vehicle repairs without blinking an eye.

Raci4ever said " what else can the money be better spent on? " Just because a District has "extra " funds doesn’t mean that they are mandated to spend it, that’s poor management in my opinion.
If the District finds itself with too much money (which I doubt) then they should adjust their tax rates accordingly and err on the side of the taxpayer, that IS their Job.

[Vintage photos here]

Some great old racing pics here:

http://www.nysdrillteams.com/memories/index.htm

Some great old racing pics here:

http://www.nysdrillteams.com/memories/index.htm

Ok, Who cares???

[thick headed j-ass]

In my department, we have a father and son duo that think the team revolves around them. I cannot wait till next year when they have no team and all the wrong doings will be publicly exposed

[No worries]

In my department, we have a father and son duo that think the team revolves around them. I cannot wait till next year when they have no team and all the wrong doings will be publicly exposed

Relax, If that happens, they will probably be regarded as legends in the Racing circuit. Or join another nearby Dept. with a racing team, while living outside the district and not go to any fire calls. But they will help get a state championship.


Hmm, whats more important:

A)a member who goes to fires, and lives in the area covered?

or

B)Racing guys who do nothing but, and live way out of the area?


answer is B. Since they live so far outside the area, they will nev er make a rig. So let them race.


Pathetic.

[racin4eva]

hey no worries.. what team were you thrown off of??????? whats pathetic is the department or departments who let this go on .dont take it out on the teams and departments that hold the racers to a higher standard in order to let them "play" because even if you chose not to believe it they are out there...

Hey if its for the good of the team, fights and brawls can get overlooked for the State tournament.. am i right? yeah i think so.

Or thats what ive been told.

[no worries]

hey no worries.. what team were you thrown off of??????? whats pathetic is the department or departments who let this go on .dont take it out on the teams and departments that hold the racers to a higher standard in order to let them "play" because even if you chose not to believe it they are out there...

Wasn't thrown off any team. Not interested in racing. As for a higher standard, I have my doubts. Seems as long as you race, and do a key position, getting up for calls (won't even mention a 2am call), is not warranted. Yet the morons in depts that criticize this also keep their mouths shut. And keep getting up at 2 am while the superstars sleep.

Barely lift a finger at any function that doesnt include racing. Others carry the load. So the higher strandard is out. If you are one of the guys who races, gets up at 2 am and is very active, then YOU should remove these clowns that give YOU and YOUR teammates a bad name. YOU should hold these do nothings to a higher standard, but probably won't , cuz they will help win a tournament.

Which puts you not better than the rest of them, no matter what you do.

[no worries]

Which puts you not better than the rest of them, no matter what you do.

Should be "no better". My apologies.

WHAT ABOUT THE GUYS THAT DO RACE AND GO TO ALL THE CALLS?? ARE THEY BAD PEOPLE FOR RACING??

[racin4eva]

exactly... "no worries" probably ran for some position in whatever department he or she is from and got spanked by a team guy so now he or she has a hardon for racing teams .. to that i laugh its dicks like you who bring a bad name to racing not the guys and girls who run on the teams....Go back to your scanner you loser and leave the race teams to which you obviously cant make the cut for alone..... now i will wait for some other mindless juvenile post from you.....

WHAT ABOUT THE GUYS THAT DO RACE AND GO TO ALL THE CALLS?? ARE THEY BAD PEOPLE FOR RACING??

No. But spending the amount of taxpayer money for them does not justify the means. thats a big bone to throw for a few people.

[racin 4eva]

oh yeah one more thing.. at the next 2 am call..........SIGN ME WILL YA??? hahahahahahahahahahahah

Your a p ussy. You truely are Racin, Ill go back to my scanner, and protect your Drill team heroes A SS, ok happy with that u p rick?

[racin 4 eva]

why yes i am happy thank you for your support hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[racin 4eva]

oh and while your at it be a good boy and help the team load the coolers with beer bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[ncracer]

Let's talk a little bit about my drill team...

I volunteer for one of the strictest fire departments in the state. If one doesn't make his percentage or misses mandatory annual trainings, he is placed on department probation, or in the case of long-term dereliction, he is dropped from the roles. This includes drill team members, who are actually held to a stricter standard than the rest. The chiefs and commissioners look for every opportunity to screw the team and its members. The members of my team are some of the most active members in the department for this reason. Most of us make a monthly percentage of around 60% or more. The few who don't make as many calls are Ex-Captains who have served 25 or 30 years. Over the years our ranks have included numerous company officer and a few department chiefs. However, even with that support behind us, we find it hard to keep from being crapped on. And yes, I consider the members of my team to be among the best firefighters in the department. I would rather trust these men with my life than the buffs who sit home and listen to the scanner all day.

We receive no monetary support from the fire district or department. The department budget allows a small sum of money to be used for purchasing refreshments to serve to department members who come to tournaments to watch. Anything else, the members of the team pay out-of-pocket or through fundraisers. We do not have spare engines hanging in our garage. If we blow a motor or a pump, we are done for the season and for as long as it takes us to raise funds to replace it.

Our garage is another story: we do not have a brand-new, state-of-the-art storage facility for our equipment. We share a small garage with the district workshop, located at our training facility. In addition to our rigs basically jammed into the garage, there are the district tractor and all sorts of tools to work around just so we can practice.

I think racing is necessary in our fire service today. In any department I see, there is bickering amongst members and companies. There is even more fighting between separate departments. "I won't call my neighbor for mutual aid because he didn't call me for something 8 months ago. I'll call 4 towns over for a FAST truck instead, putting my own members in danger so I can fukc my neighbor chief." Drill team racers form a closer bond than most fellow firefighters. Drill team racers know their teammates- and their families- better than any other department member. In my department, it seems that the drill team members are the only ones who can get past the stigma of speaking to a member of another company; the rest of the department has been brain-washed into thinking that the other engine company or the rescue is their mortal enemy, instead of their brother firefighters. Drill team racers have closer relationships with members or more outside departments than do their chiefs, who want to be invited to an installation dinner or get called to good fires.

Also in this post 9/11 world, racing serves as a memorial to those lost. Many of our lost FDNY and NYPD brothers were members of volunteer fire departments, and they raced for the drill teams. Think Joe Hunter, Richard Muldowney. Recently deceased FDNY Lt. Howard Carplunk was a volunteer in East Islip and a former "Guzzler." The members of their department have banded together through drill team racing. The team goes on the track and does their best because that is what these men would have wanted for their brothers: to continue the tradition. Tradition? Remember that word that is thrown around so much in the fire service? Drill team racing is a tradition dating back to the 1800's, when members of rival fire companies would race to a fire and be the first to put water on it, so they would win a fire service contract for the property. How many join the fire service because their fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers fought the beast years ago? You would be surprised how many fathers and grandfathers were racers. Not softball players or bowlers; racers.

And I'll leave off with this question: if a department member gets hurt playing softball, or becomes a drunken mess while bowling, does every non-player start their campaign to rid the department of the sport? I didn't think so.

[F ing amazing]

Racing is a 9/11 memorial.......


NOW I'VE HEARD IT ALL

YOU GOT TO BE FUC KIN KIDDING ME

[Fireman 1st]

"""" Also in this post 9/11 world, racing serves as a memorial to those lost. """"


So add racing to drug use, drunk fire apparatus driving, gang bangs of FD groupies, hitting fellow members with chairs, beating up indian newsstand vendors and just generally acting like a bunch of out of control morons...

get a life

[Racin 1st]

get a life


YOU FIRST.

[no worries]

exactly... "no worries" probably ran for some position in whatever department he or she is from and got spanked by a team guy so now he or she has a hardon for racing teams .. to that i laugh its dicks like you who bring a bad name to racing not the guys and girls who run on the teams....Go back to your scanner you loser and leave the race teams to which you obviously cant make the cut for alone..... now i will wait for some other mindless juvenile post from you.....

Scrolll back. If anyones posts are juvenile, they are from you. I don't have a hard on for racing, as you say. There are better ways to spend taxpayer monies (or return it as posted) than on toys which have NO firematic value. If anyone is a dick, it is certainly you. You are probably the non firefighting fool who was mentionend in other posts. Your juvenile posts prove that.

4th grade retorts like go back to your scanner go hand in hand with the load the beer cooler remark a few posts back. I don't need a scanner, the district supplies me with a pager. If there are any responsible taxpayers out there reading our posts, you probably are making yourself, team, and cronies look like a bunch of do nothing drunks on high performance vehicles.

And you right. I did not make the racing team cut. I never tried. I would rather see skills displayed at a JOLT drill, than a racing tournament. At least something is learned there, and many depts bond and share ideas. More firematic,and cheaper than racing. and neighboring depts can bond drilling with a class A engine and a tower ladder, and a lot cheaper too.

Softball can do it too. And an aluminum bat is a helluva lot cheaper than a 600+ HP motor.

So let's see your juvenile posts. Fire away.

[TRUST ME]

Trust me THIS is not happening.......

If there are any responsible taxpayers out there reading our posts................

[no worries]

Trust me THIS is not happening.......

If there are any responsible taxpayers out there reading our posts................

You are right. Sillly me to think responsible people read this site.

Thank you for pointing that out.

[racin4eva]

RE NCRACER........ You have made the most thoughtfull post on this subject yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someday some of the people who post on this site will scroll and read your post......

As for you no worries i was gonna say stick you pager up your ass but as that would be "juvenile" i will refrain.. I would love to stay on and keep this going with you but you are not worth my time...
hope you get some help with your pent up anger issues regarding racing and good luck doing whatever you have to do to make chief of your department im sure with your attitude you will be a great asset to them.....

[racin4eva]

oh and as far as me being a "do nothing" as you put it I am an ex_ chief of my department with over 231/2 years of service and all that time my percentage never dropped below 48%... so before you talk about " do nothings" let see what your time in the volunteer service looks like im sure you cant come close to me or anyone on my team.... good day to you

[Just looking here]

Racin 4 ever ...You say your an "Ex Chief" wow.... looking back at some of the stupid comments you have made about taxpayers and having other firemen load the beer in your coolers, Boy you must have been some chief fella, the pride of your Dept I guess.

Just goes to show its not what you know its who ya blow.

racin4eva seems like one of the biggest idiots on G*d's green earth.

[racin4eva]

hahahahaha hanks i was waiting for a response like that i was just trying to see how many dicks were watching this crap.. i got your pride right here

no worries... nothing to say???????

[racin4eva]

oh and by the way.. I was such a "loser" i was elected a second term


ya ya now say " dont say much for your department""
DONT HATE THA PLAYA HATE THE GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go ahead say something cute dicks

AHAHA O MAN U ARE A LOSER


SO GO HOME AND STFU

AND FINGER YOUR GRUNDLE.

LOOSER
RACIN
YOUR A LOSER.

[racin 4eva]

whats a grundle??? oh and go f@#k your hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[no worries]

RE NCRACER........ You have made the most thoughtfull post on this subject yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someday some of the people who post on this site will scroll and read your post......

As for you no worries i was gonna say stick you pager up your ass but as that would be "juvenile" i will refrain.. I would love to stay on and keep this going with you but you are not worth my time...
hope you get some help with your pent up anger issues regarding racing and good luck doing whatever you have to do to make chief of your department im sure with your attitude you will be a great asset to them.....


Well, no pent up anger towards racing here. But you seem to think it's ok that thousands of dollars of taxpayers money funds your little drunkfests (see previous posts you made). Yes, taxpayers won't pay for the booze, or do they through their donations?

Please, racin4eva, justify spending thousands of taxpayers dollars on toys, nothing but toys. Read the previous 34 pages, since you have time to post. People like you have the attitude that since YOU do it, it's ok to spend the money.

Chief 2x, wow. You must have been the type of chief who let the crew party all they want. Let them walk over you, and you bought their votes with beer. Did you use the beer from your tournaments to buy votes, too? Good move, cuz taxpayers money paid for your votes. Good fiscal move, there, pal.


A chief who lets his cronies skate more than Dorothy Hamill ever did. And if i had a free car to use, I'd make many calls too. Wonder how many times your chief's vehicle was parked in front of the local bar.

You have actually made one good post on this subject. Where you stated you fixed your racing rigs for free. The rest of your posts make you more juvenile than my 6 yr old nephew, and even less mature. Like the RVC wife said, take away the perks (bars, dinners, racing, you know the stuff taxpayers REALLY want to pay for) and only the true vollies would remain. Leave your pager at the door. You would be the first one out. No doubt about it.

As for being Chief. getting a car for 8 years is not worth it putting up with clowns like you. Babysitters get more money, and less stress.

Again, no pent up anger towards racing. But better ways to spend taxpayers money. Old fashioned is just as fun, and a lot cheaper. But like many vollies, you think the money should be spent no matter what, screw the taxpayer. Thats great fiscal responsiblity. Hey while you're at it, run for school board. They have even more money you can waste..

[no worries]

whats pathetic is the department or departments who let this go on .dont take it out on the teams and departments that hold the racers to a higher standard in order to let them "play" because even if you chose not to believe it they are out there...

Since I'm the only one posting mature and intelligent replies, I will give you credit for this post. How true.

But seems you are part of the depts that let this go on. Your posts show it. And if it is any attempt at firehouse humor, it wasnt very good. Try some mature responses, you wont look like a horses ass. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[racin4eva]

no worries...this will make you laugh...my chiefs car was NEVER parked in front of a bar.... Know why???? I dont drink!!!!!!!!!!!! never did never will....... Try to imagine that a volly who dosent drink AND is in the racing team god forbid !!!!!!!!!!!!

[racin 4eva]

oh and just for the record.... when i was chief i threw out 3 guys on the racing team who didnt do their required duties in the department one was a 20 year member!!!!!!!

[justify THIS]

Please, racin4eva, justify spending thousands of taxpayers dollars on toys, nothing but toys. Read the previous 34 pages, since you have time to post. People like you have the attitude that since YOU do it, it's ok to spend the money


Because I am a LAWNG ISLANDER and it is my birth right to do ANYTHING that makes me happy.
So STFU, pay your taxes so I can enjoy my saturdays


p.s. see ya' in Hempstead :lol:

[no worries]

oh and just for the record.... when i was chief i threw out 3 guys on the racing team who didnt do their required duties in the department one was a 20 year member!!!!!!!

So should we be impressed? Maybe the 3 guys you threw out that raced only carried buckets, or didn't make racing a priority, and only made 1 practice a week, and didn't dedicate their lives to your team. Expendable.

And a 20 year member? Was he active most of the time? More than 20 or close to it? Or a slacker? If he was a very active fireman most of his time, you couldn't give him the life membership instead? $hit move to do that.Wow. What a chief.

And if was a slacker most of the time, why did it take so long to throw him out?

Or maybe these 3 weren't in the clique. So screw them. Good move. And to do that to a 20 yr member only makes you look like the a$$hole your posts make you out to be.

But I will say, as an officer, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Don't drink, huh? See ya in church tomorrow. yea ok.

But I should be done with this posting. Seems since you race, it's ok to waste money. And your juvenile posts prove that. And if you made moves like that as a chief of dept., musta been slim pickens to put you in again.

Please, racin4eva, justify spending thousands of taxpayers dollars on toys, nothing but toys. Read the previous 34 pages, since you have time to post. People like you have the attitude that since YOU do it, it's ok to spend the money


Because I am a LAWNG ISLANDER and it is my birth right to do ANYTHING that makes me happy.
So STFU, pay your taxes so I can enjoy my saturdays


p.s. see ya' in Hempstead :lol:


Typical disgrace of a vollie, and a human.

[went over his head]

Please, racin4eva, justify spending thousands of taxpayers dollars on toys, nothing but toys. Read the previous 34 pages, since you have time to post. People like you have the attitude that since YOU do it, it's ok to spend the money


Because I am a LAWNG ISLANDER and it is my birth right to do ANYTHING that makes me happy.
So STFU, pay your taxes so I can enjoy my saturdays


p.s. see ya' in Hempstead :lol:


Typical disgrace of a vollie, and a human.


.......no typical of a lawng islander

[racin4eva]

no worries........ i must ask do you make this shit up as you go along????? whatever gets you through the night I will not keep this up with you you are not worth my time.......yes I will see you in church good day!!!!!!!!!

[no worries]

no worries........ i must ask do you make this shit up as you go along????? whatever gets you through the night I will not keep this up with you you are not worth my time.......yes I will see you in church good day!!!!!!!!!

feeling is mutual, pal. At least one of us can back up his points on wasting taxpayer money on racing. It just wasn't you.

[racin4eva]

i said good day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Firefighters filled the air with laughter Sunday as they remembered a fallen FDNY fireman from Freeport who perished in the September 11th attacks.
Fifteen drill teams from across Nassau County rushed into action at the 5th annual Richard Muldowney Old Fashioned Firemen’s Tournament. They held races with ladders, buckets of water and other equipment to raise money for a fund in Muldowney’s name.

Friends say Muldowney was always the first one into a building and the last one out. They add although it’s been five years since he made his final call, he’s still in their hearts.

[no worries]

i said good day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racin4eva]

nice post about the muldowney drill in freeport... too bad douches like "no worries " would probably say "its a waste of money" good job guys god bless

[no worries]

nice post about the muldowney drill in freeport... too bad douches like "no worries " would probably say "its a waste of money" good job guys god bless


No, you douche. Not at all. Great cause, douche. BTW, how much does a new motor cost for competition like these?

Oh, that's right. OLD FASHIONED. Where men run down a track pulling a cart. With bicycle tires. And I think to replace a tube in an old fashioned tire cart costs a helluva lot less than a "C" rig or motor to replace. How much does a handcart cost compared to a racing rig? Do tell.

You, my pal, are the douche. You have your priorities in the wrong place, both firematic and fiscal. Everything is fine for you since it's on the public's dime. Hurry and run for the school board. They have a lot more money for you to waste than a fire district. Taxpayers can't wait.


And yes, great job on the Muldowney event. About the only thing we will ever agree on.

[12345678 YOU SU CK]

:D No worries!. Ouch you just got kicked in the teeth hard. EX CHIEF BHAAH. Loser. :twisted:

[no worries]

:D No worries!. Ouch you just got kicked in the teeth hard. EX CHIEF BHAAH. Loser. :twisted:

Can you put this in English, please? Thanks, Loser.

[12345 you Suc k]

Wasnt bashing you no worries but w/e go have fun fa g bagg.

[racin4eva]

no worries..tell me what school district you are from and i will run there and up your taxes to run you off the fucking island you dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racin4eva]

oh and a new motor cost more than you make in a year!!!!!!!!!

Hmm bellow the belt, i just think someone is trying to compansate for the lack of something by racing hmm..

[no worries]

Hmm bellow the belt, i just think someone is trying to compansate for the lack of something by racing hmm..


My thoughts exactly. But hey, whats a few thousand dollars of money for drunkfests when it isn't yours??

Hmm bellow the belt, i just think someone is trying to compansate for the lack of something by racing hmm..


My thoughts exactly. But hey, whats a few thousand dollars of money for drunkfests when it isn't yours??

That was me by the way, and Drink all you want, noone will go near ya racin :twisted:

[Spell check please]

Did you mean BELOW the belt?

Hmm, I see tax dollars were wasted by your school as well

So racin4eva, what are your plans when you turn 13?

[no worries]

So racin4eva, what are your plans when you turn 13?

Run for chief a 3rd time for a free $75,000 vehicle. Spend another $100k for a new "C" truck. Few thousand more on beer for the boys (to buy votes). Maybe another $100k on a new "B" truck. And lets do $125k on a new tractor trailer setup. Nothing but the best on the taxpayers dole.

But he will repair the rigs for nothing to save money.. douche

[RACIN4EVA]

I DONT KNOW..... AT 13 IVE ALREADY DONE MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL SO I JUST CANT TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I SEE YOU LIKE TO USE THE WORD DOUCHE.... FITTING FOR A PERSON LIKE YOURSELF....PLUS PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNTS CORRECT WHEN YOU POST ON HERE...ITS GETTING KINDA OLD ""ON TAXPAYERS BACKS"" WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI SEE YOU NOW HAVE FANS... DIDNT THINK THERE WERE OTHER IDIOTS OUT THERE WITH THE SAME THINKING AS YOU........ BYE BYE

[no worries]

I DONT KNOW..... AT 13 IVE ALREADY DONE MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL SO I JUST CANT TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I SEE YOU LIKE TO USE THE WORD DOUCHE.... FITTING FOR A PERSON LIKE YOURSELF....PLUS PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNTS CORRECT WHEN YOU POST ON HERE...ITS GETTING KINDA OLD ""ON TAXPAYERS BACKS"" WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI SEE YOU NOW HAVE FANS... DIDNT THINK THERE WERE OTHER IDIOTS OUT THERE WITH THE SAME THINKING AS YOU........ BYE BYE

Yea, ok. you have done more than me at 13. Ok, junior. As for the word "douche", scroll back a few pages. Seems YOU were the one that called me a douche, but it does seem to fit you better, so I return the favor.

As for the dollar amounts, why don't you tell us? Since you have all the information, fire away. Let's go. As for getting old with the "taxpayers back" line, well, as a taxpayer, I have no problem with a purchase of any new apparatus, even with it's high cost, if needed. As usual, you seem to think it is ok to spend "taxpayers money", be it your dept/dist/company or not, on toys. Nothing but toys.

As for fans, well thanks, I don't want any, and they don't wanna be. Maybe they would like to get some info on how their money is wasted (oops ,used for training purposes) on here, since you never answered that question with any post.

For the 8 yrs I went to FDIC in Indiana (Firehouse was too buffy), I took many courses on Incident Command, Engine/ Ladder Ops, FAST/RIT etc., and many others. Funny thing was, I never saw a class on "Improving your "C" hose time", How to step off a Racing truck at a faster speed, or, "B" ladder and it's rescue potential.

BTW, there were classes on recruiting volunteer firemen. Never mentioned racing.


Not one of those classes were offered. I wonder why. Maybe you can. And not spout off with a "WAAAAAAH", or "don't forget to fill the beer cooler", "sign me in at 2am", or any other sensible post you have made. But your Mr. FD, chief 2x. Congrats. As for the church remark, well that was sarcasm for your I don't drink remark.

So hit us with info on your teams expenses. And get me an accurate price on :

1) New "B" or "C" rig

2) Replacement motor or pump (new or rebuilt)

Myself and others would like to know. Since I'm way off. So you say.

And include labor costs in the total price. I'll subtract it off the tab of your place, since you fix the rigs for nothing.

It was me making the comment about you turning 13, not No Worries. And don't bother responding, you are a waste of time.

[no worries]

Well, racin4eva. We got a price of 55k for the C rig. Did you get the other info yet?

It's been awhile. This long to get simple info?

I DONT KNOW..... AT 13 IVE ALREADY DONE MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL SO I JUST CANT TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I SEE YOU LIKE TO USE THE WORD DOUCHE.... FITTING FOR A PERSON LIKE YOURSELF....PLUS PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNTS CORRECT WHEN YOU POST ON HERE...ITS GETTING KINDA OLD ""ON TAXPAYERS BACKS"" WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI SEE YOU NOW HAVE FANS... DIDNT THINK THERE WERE OTHER IDIOTS OUT THERE WITH THE SAME THINKING AS YOU........ BYE BYE

A zz hole :o

RACING ISFOR THE LOSERS INTHE IRE SERVICE...IT SHOULD BE BANNED.....JUST LIKE ALL THE DRUNKS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.........I THINK ANYONE WHO RACES IS NOTHING BUT WHITE TRASH........ITS A DAMN SHA

[racin4eva]

no worries... you still on this you should get a life and get off the computer.. what are you waiting for?? i dont have time to waste on azzholes like you

no worries... you still on this you should get a life and get off the computer.. what are you waiting for?? i dont have time to waste on azzholes like you

so why are you still on the computer (azz) :lol:

[no worries]

no worries... you still on this you should get a life and get off the computer.. what are you waiting for?? i dont have time to waste on azzholes like you

I'm still waiting for an answer. You told me my numbers were off. So give me facts.

Did Farmingville's 55k "C" rig come with an engine for that price? Enlighten with the facts only you seem to know.

I do have a life. Trust me, I do. As for time to waste, racing season is over. You should have lots of time, especially Saturdays.


But you're right. Don't waste your time. You haven't come up with ANY reason to justify wasting taxpayers money on toys.

Better yet, maybe you could teach "B" Ladder and it's rescue potential at the next Fire Department Instructors Course at Indianapolis. I won't be sitting in that class if I go.

I'll try to actually learn in a field you never stop learning in. Not waste time and money racing.

[TOYS, POT CALLING KETTLE]

no worries... you still on this you should get a life and get off the computer.. what are you waiting for?? i dont have time to waste on azzholes like you

I'm still waiting for an answer. You told me my numbers were off. So give me facts.

Did Farmingville's 55k "C" rig come with an engine for that price? Enlighten with the facts only you seem to know.

I do have a life. Trust me, I do. As for time to waste, racing season is over. You should have lots of time, especially Saturdays.


But you're right. Don't waste your time. You haven't come up with ANY reason to justify wasting taxpayers money on toys.

Better yet, maybe you could teach "B" Ladder and it's rescue potential at the next Fire Department Instructors Course at Indianapolis. I won't be sitting in that class if I go.

I'll try to actually learn in a field you never stop learning in. Not waste time and money racing.

Certain extent agree, at $55K it can't include an engine that would be worth anything, but they may already have a strong one from last year they can throw in.
Indie? You won't go to the class, toys, as you ride in your king cab Pierce or KME crap that seats more people that your OIC can possibly supervise? Blinding drivers with your new light set and chrome? That does not need billet wheels that we just had to have. You guys just can't seem to grasp that the people who are training you ride in short trucks, set up for action, not distraction and yet every committee BS's about the racing team and puts every bell and shiney whistle they can to launch a purchase price to $600, 700K, including the company artwork of course.

Try buying a commercial cab or a low end custom with steel wheels, Okay I'll give ya chrome lugnuts, then come on here and bitch about racing expense or what it does for the taxpayer. Try a hard axle, short wheelbase sidemount get the shit done, not a condo cab for a 1/2 mile run parade truck.

[no worries]

Indie? You won't go to the class

If you mean Indy, yes I have gone to classes. Many classes. And looked at stuff that may benefit my dept/district. Sorry, I don't go just to look at toys and party.

as you ride in your king cab Pierce or KME crap that seats more people that your OIC can possibly supervise

Well, let's look back a few years. One District bought a FDNY style Mack with very few modifications. Another bought a LaFrance under the city contract the same way. From what I was told, they saved a considerable amount of money due to building 81 (80 FDNY + 1 for the volunteer) over building one custom pumper.

But at least these custom rigs you have a problem with actually do serve a purpose in the fire service, whereas your racing trucks serve none

As for commercial cabs, I will disagree with you on that. Very few commercial cab manufacturers offer a cab forward model. And a commercial cab is not designed for firefighting, so adding SCBA seats et al. leaves you a lot less room than a cab designed for firefighting. I'll go with a commercial on a tanker or a heavy rescue, but not a engine or aerial device. But you have a good point.

A few salesmen have told me the days of adding on a rig or 2 to a big order (FDNY) are over. Modifications, as small as they can be, are not worth it for the price increase. And, like Newsrag stated, you have basic, deluxe and Long Island. Even if adding to an order could be done, no salesman is gonna lose the commission on a custom rig.

And I'll agree with ya on the billets am/fm radios, power windows, etc are a waste. But if a few additions want to be added, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The City of New York replaces front line pieces every 10 years, whereas the vollies do it every 20 or 25.

So the comparison of E-319 at $300k to N. Massapequa's $500k rig was not a good one. Even going low ball at a 3% a year inflation rate, adding approx $9,500 a yr over 10 years makes the next rig FDNY buys $395k. Add that to the $300k comes out to $695k over 20 years, which saves the volunteers $150k on the rig they have now.

Yes, the city runs more and the streets are worse. Some places have TOO much equipment, I'll agree. Especially with it harder to get volunteers. But even with the toys on a firefighting rig, it's still a lot less of a waste than ANY racing rig. 1/2 mile parade piece or not, it still does more than the 450 foot speed toy.

But I agree there is waste there too. Ya don't need a CD player in a fire engine. Or other stuff. See ya in Indy.

[racing]

Westbury used their B-truck to put out car fires.

[racin4eva]

who said i am the only one who knows... ok i guess you are right and i am wrong you seem to be the one with all the answers blahblah and i dont have to justify anything to you or anyone else.... happy now ???? have fun at indy by the way are you paying your own way??? i love to check on this site to see your next holier than thou opinion your turn

[no worries]

who said i am the only one who knows... ok i guess you are right and i am wrong you seem to be the one with all the answers blahblah and i dont have to justify anything to you or anyone else.... happy now ???? have fun at indy by the way are you paying your own way??? i love to check on this site to see your next holier than thou opinion your turn

Your quote:

who said i am the only one who knows

Well, scroll back a few pages and look at one of your replies. Here it is:

PLUS PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNTS CORRECT WHEN YOU POST ON HERE...ITS GETTING KINDA OLD ""ON TAXPAYERS BACKS""

So, since I am off, I asked you for the correct amounts. From your dept, for example. You could have posted them to answer my questions.


have fun at indy by the way are you paying your own way???

Nope, not paying my own way. Unlike racing, the FDIC is a very useful expenditure of taxpayers money. So if the district, and/or taxpayers pay for it, so be it. Hands on and/or classroom instruction at the FDIC benefits the person attending, which inturn comes back to benefit the members of said department, which inturn benefits the members of the community we swore to protect.

Never learned any firefighting skills watching racing. None.

FDIC-2

Racing-0

And relax, my meals were at Steak and Shake, Denny's, or an Arby's. Never went to St. Elmo's Steakhouse. And my receipts were legit.

i love to check on this site to see your next holier than thou opinion

Nah, I've never put myself holier than thou. But as a taxpayer and a fireman, I know where my priorities are, and should be. And spending taxpayer money for toys such as racing trucks cannot be justified. And it was kind of ridiculous to read Farmingvilles Commisioners defend wasting $55,000 of taxpayers money as enhancing thier firefighting skills, yet vote down 24/7 paid EMS coverage for the community. Be real.


If you want to raise every penny to race, go for it. But as Famingville proved, that is not the case. And taxpayers shouldn't have to have their money spent on toys, be it useless racing trucks, and all the bells and whistles on Class "A" fire apparatus.

Racing is fun, and enjoyable. I grew up around it. But fun for a few shouldn't be carried on the taxpayers backs (sorry if that fact is old), and can't be justified. Not with taxes the way they are.

So, if you can justify spending taxpayers money on racing, fire away. But you haven't yet.

[Hold off A Minute]

FDIC is a good learning experience, and if you went to the classes, how can an OIC properly supervise 8 operatives under current standards? So why buy 10 man cabs? Wait on the ramp for everybody so you can fill up?

I never said buy off the city contract, just buy smart. Been on committees for both Class C, B and line rigs. I have to say that the B & C was more carefully thought out and kept to a minimum because it was TAXPAYERS MONEY we were told. When I got on two line rig committees, it was so stupid the crap they were putting on, we could have gotten a nice truck, low end custom cab, right turning radius and carried what we needed, but no, we had to carry the entire firehouse and it had to be as long as the Queen Mary with foam and SCBA port for the operator when he was in his center console, come on, line rig specification is out of control too. Why do you think they have a show here, ever been to one in Omaha? No because they don't have one.

Justify racing, it is a tradition, only place it's done. Little out of control right now, but can remember my Dad complaining about some of the gimmicks the other teams had back in the sixties. I can tell you the group I ran with ten years ago made every fire, Board and Chiefs used to say, you boys can't play Saturday if I hear one signal 3 for rescue or anything. Just about all of us went on to officer, Chief and Commissioner.

At least in my case, I can tell you, everyone of us knew each other, every one of us knew who could do what, or not, went to Indy together, went to fires, rescues and hapyank together, know the wives, the kids, the family. To this day, twenty years gone by and all seventeen of us are now ex something and still responding.

There was a group of seventeen before us and there is a group of seventeen behind us now. All still responding. So don't paint it with a broad brush and two years book learning and one minute of actual experience. What a flashover? Don't go to a simulator once a year for laughs, try hanging on to a bar with the guy next to you at eighty miles an hour and know that either you or he can screw up at any time and then pack up with him the next day on a 13 in the back of a Engine know the same thing and tell me we are not tight and know what we can do without even speaking while you people just flop around and scream on the radio at every scene.

We all have valid points, hey we are good at softball too!

hey we are good at softball too!


I'm a firefighter, also a property owner.
I BETTER NOT FIND OUT MY TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO PURCHASE BATS AND BALLS, OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE HECK TO PAY. HECK I TELL YA!!!!!!!!

[balls you say?]

hey we are good at softball too!


I'm a firefighter, also a property owner.
I BETTER NOT FIND OUT MY TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO PURCHASE BATS AND BALLS, OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE HECK TO PAY. HECK I TELL YA!!!!!!!!

We can't buy balls, that's why we send people like him to classes at INDY so he can absorb all that he only will use in the meeting room.

[NOT WBFD]

hey we are good at softball too!


I'm a firefighter, also a property owner.
I BETTER NOT FIND OUT MY TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO PURCHASE BATS AND BALLS, OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE HECK TO PAY. HECK I TELL YA!!!!!!!!

We can't buy balls, that's why we send people like him to classes at INDY so he can absorb all that he only will use in the meeting room.

Ignorance, or stupidity? I wonder. A few bats and balls are a lot cheaper than a $55,000 toy. And I'm pretty sure Mr Joe Taxpayer would sleep easy at night knowing his tax dollars aren't wasted on your racing equipment.

If you're gonna be sarcastic, please try something better than this.
As for my Indy classes, that can be applied to hands on as well as classroom, for in this post 9/11 day and age, you can't learn enough.

But I guess you will be at the drill track learning more important things. Since it seems you know it all already.

[no worries]

[quote]FDIC is a good learning experience, and if you went to the classes, how can an OIC properly supervise 8 operatives under current standards? So why buy 10 man cabs? Wait on the ramp for everybody so you can fill up?

Agreed. Most depts get a chauffeur and 3 men, and roll. Some depts wait till you have a certain number of qualified (be it time, SCBA or both) before they roll, and you may end up with more than 4 (but more than likely not 10). So buying these rigs with 10 man cabs can be overkill. No doubt.


I never said buy off the city contract, just buy smart. Been on committees for both Class C, B and line rigs. I have to say that the B & C was more carefully thought out and kept to a minimum because it was TAXPAYERS MONEY we were told. When I got on two line rig committees, it was so stupid the crap they were putting on, we could have gotten a nice truck, low end custom cab, right turning radius and carried what we needed, but no, we had to carry the entire firehouse and it had to be as long as the Queen Mary with foam and SCBA port for the operator when he was in his center console, come on, line rig specification is out of control too. Why do you think they have a show here, ever been to one in Omaha? No because they don't have one.


Hey, when you have basic,deluxe and Long Island specs, yes it does get out of hand. I denied my lieutenants a request for an am/fm radio because it wasn't needed (for weather and traffic reports to justify, yea ok). Didn't want gold leaf, either. And it seems you had the same attitude on your committee that doesn't care what they spend. And seems your attitude on practicality is similar to mine, but looks like you got outvoted for the chrome simulators and stereos. Waste there, too. Agreed.

Wasn't telling you to buy off the tail end of a city contract. But ya got a basic rig with pump and hosebed. Building 80+1 bodies is still cheaper than a custom one. That was my point. Most depts all over the island are bedroom communities similar to one another, yet they all buy bells and whistles on their rigs. Yep, that's why there ain't no show in Omaha.


Justify racing, it is a tradition, only place it's done. Little out of control right now, but can remember my Dad complaining about some of the gimmicks the other teams had back in the sixties. I can tell you the group I ran with ten years ago made every fire, Board and Chiefs used to say, you boys can't play Saturday if I hear one signal 3 for rescue or anything. Just about all of us went on to officer, Chief and Commissioner.

Like you, I did grow up around racing. And it is out of control. As for gimmicks like small diameter hose (oops!), water in the hose, etc., while pissing off other teams, you laugh about it now. Now you're getting lawsuits. So much for fun. In 2 of the 3 depts I was in, there were teams. While most were and are active firemen, they also carried your folks who did nothing but race. At least your board and executive officers (and men) had their priorities in line.

But 3/4 boots, turnout coats, and riding the back step were traditions as well. And these rigs, like everything else, are getting expensive. And taxpayers should not have to foot the bill because of tradition. And Farmingville buying a "C" truck over improving paid EMS was not in the best interests of the community. In this day and age post 9/11, you can't justify the money on it. Whatever internal problems they have, they didn't look good.


At least in my case, I can tell you, everyone of us knew each other, every one of us knew who could do what, or not, went to Indy together, went to fires, rescues and hapyank together, know the wives, the kids, the family. To this day, twenty years gone by and all seventeen of us are now ex something and still responding.

There was a group of seventeen before us and there is a group of seventeen behind us now. All still responding. So don't paint it with a broad brush and two years book learning and one minute of actual experience. What a flashover? Don't go to a simulator once a year for laughs, try hanging on to a bar with the guy next to you at eighty miles an hour and know that either you or he can screw up at any time and then pack up with him the next day on a 13 in the back of a Engine know the same thing and tell me we are not tight and know what we can do without even speaking while you people just flop around and scream on the radio at every scene.

Well, seems like you are an active guy with over 20 years, like myself. But I've seen what you have seen, and I'm sure you saw what I saw. I never painted this discussion with a broad brush. But with volunteer membership not what it was, with people working out of town now more than 40 years ago, and everything being expensive (taxes, taxes, taxes), you still can't justify these expenses just on tradition. And inter dept drills, since we're increasing mutual aid with neighboring depts., softball (I'm sure your good!) and even old fashioned are a lot cheaper than racing.

You won't convince me otherwise to justifty tax money on racing rigs (and front line rigs bells and whistles, too), but I will compliment you on giving your side and facts. Unlike the other posts, yours was actually damn good. (see a few posts up). If a dept (or company) can raise funds and compete, I'm all for it. But we know it isn't cheap, and the tax base shouldn't fund it. With schools and other crap raping us, we don't need anymore waste.


We all have valid points, hey we are good at softball too!

May have hit a few with ya and threw a few cold ones down with ya. Did that too.

Stay safe.

[Touche, no worries]

The FDIC thing and classes are way out of hand for the new crews coming in. My comment "two years book learning and one minute actual experience" holds true for a large percentage of the ten year and under crowd. But can't hold back so they leave, not like anybody is breaking down the door to join, same with racing, softball, rescue, I was taught to build a department from all angles. It takes alot of people to set the clock, only one to trip the target, true in an organization to protect the public and true in racing. It was developed on pride and teamwork and training, that what's missing in the greater picture nowadays.

The lawsuits are because of the ligation society we have developed, used to be you just garned the votes to make them see it your way and they have put rules in based upon my peoples gimmicks that stand today. Tried it, got caught, the made a rule, we move on, people are different today.

And at the time having to sign the checks, gear bags, bats, bases, balls, custom uniforms, additional insurance, (that league crap wouldn't pay a guys mortgage if he twisted a knee), fuel and insurance for the transport vehicles.. It was in the range of $20K per year. The race trucks that year ran on an old motor, in a truck that was modified in my shop with my materials and District provided hoses and equipment, insurance fuel, etc.. Ran about $35K if you count everything. And both groups ponied up each week for their food and refreshments and held fundraisers for the luxuries, equipment, etc..

Same number of people, similar costs, and the truck is still running eight years later, but the softball uniforms never came back and change every year..

So at least where I come from, some control has been put in place, two groups of responders are satisfied and showing up.

Like I said, valid on all sides, the waste is all over the place, just don't single out racing. And active since '72, I've seen all the new ideas, like alot of them, miss quite a few common sensce principles that they don't teach them anymore as well.

I'll hit a few and throw down a few as well, never met an opinion that couldn't be discussed in a civil manner and still walk away friends.

Stay safe as well.

I like that approach, talk about it at length, have a few beers in the process and walk away happy.

[Yep, still can be simple]

I like that approach, talk about it at length, have a few beers in the process and walk away happy.

A forgotten craft, used to be you were trained to do it along with your book officer training. Everybody has a talent and a purpose, figure out how to best use them all individually so the group excels. It ain't just technical, you have to know how to motivate and understand people as well, trucks and books don't put out fires or go on Rescues all under great duress, people do, and they all have their own issues. You have to make them work for you and the community, believe they call it management. Never in anger, look at it all the way 'round, like a size up, it can be worked out.

[Forgot to Mention]

I like that approach, talk about it at length, have a few beers in the process and walk away happy.

A forgotten craft, used to be you were trained to do it along with your book officer training. Everybody has a talent and a purpose, figure out how to best use them all individually so the group excels. It ain't just technical, you have to know how to motivate and understand people as well, trucks and books don't put out fires or go on Rescues all under great duress, people do, and they all have their own issues. You have to make them work for you and the community, believe they call it management. Never in anger, look at it all the way 'round, like a size up, it can be worked out.

Have to realize what fights to pick, what benefit for the gang or detriment, and some you just have to shrug off. Sometimes just can't argue with a wall and need to know how to realize that and not be pissed about it, the same way you pull the crew out and say, the people are worth more than the building or my reputation.