village of Babylon

[pizzaman]

night life in Babylon village is getting worse every year...
more under age drinking, fights, drugs, problems then any other.
is it just being accepted?
anyone living in village see it as well or am i alone on this one....

[Lindy Guy]

Gimme a break. Babylon Village is a lilly white sleepy community. If a little youthful partying upsets you, then move to Florida like the rest of the old folks.

[concerned]

lilly white ........
kids have mommy and daddys $ $ $ $
to piss away




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[JJD]

if you, or your friends, insist on acting like extras from "Cops" maybe you should move to one of those trailer parks in Florida where your behavior will just fit right in.
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[FamilyGuy]

wife and i went to a coffee house and when we were heading out I noticed my daughters friends in a bar next door. Not a problem for me until I saw my daughter inside by the window. Problem is, she is 16! How do 16 years olds get into bars! I was furious to say the least.I will not give out the name of this place yet. If I see another youth in there I will exhaust all my time to fighting the UNDER AGE DRINKING problem here in Babylon Village. I've spoken to PD about this and yet nothing gets done. Probably a paper work issue. Finally, if you live in Babylon village and have teenage kids make sure they are not in a BAR! The end is coming for all these bars serving CHILDREN. IF YOUR KID GETS CAUGHT WITH FALSE IDENTIFICATION THEY WILL BE THE ONES IN BIG BIG TROUBLE ALONG WITH THE BARTENDER AND OWNER OF THE BAR.

CONCERNED PARENT

[Hold on a second]

Just so you know, the SLA does not prohibit underage people from entering an establishment that serves alcoholic beverages. The consumption of alcoholic beverages by underage persons is all that's prohibited. So unless you saw these persons sucking down a bottle of beer is it possible they were just hanging out? If you know for sure that underage youths are being served in a particular establishment, contact the inspectors office at the first precinct and make it known, either in writing or by personal visit. You will be heard. The plainclothes officers will conduct a follow up SLA inspection based on your information.

[pizzaman]

if you are under 21 you can not enter a bar if All they sell is alcohol.last post, How could you even try to justify teenagers in a BAR. For me if KIDS are inside a BAR the kids are wrong the bartender is wrong and the owner of the BAR is wrong.
THATS THREE WRONGS
YOUR OUT!

KIDS are growing up way to fast these days.

[Hold on again]

Most establishments sell food as well as alcoholic beverages. I'm not trying to justify underage drinking. If you read my last post you'll see that I encouraged the other poster to contact the police if they saw underage drinking. While you may think a lot of things are wrong, the law may dictate otherwise. It is the law that the police must follow, not your interpretation of it. Simmer down there big fella.

[pizzaman]

HOW YOU DO'IN

Babylon village has at least 3 BARS that sell alcohol only.
just because there are pretzels on the bar under 21 can be in there ? ? ?please.

If it is a RESTAURANT then yes under 21 SHOULD BE and are allowed.

If the main part of the business is alcohol(bar) then no person under 21 should be allowed in.
this is my opinion
not fact

hold on: are you sure or just guessing about the LAW? ? ?
How doe's the ABC law read anyone know?

[hold on]

Just so you know, the SLA does not prohibit underage people from entering an establishment that serves alcoholic beverages. The consumption of alcoholic beverages by underage persons is all that's prohibited.

Pizzaman if you don't believe me call the first precinct crime section or the NYS office building in Hauppauge where they have the SLA hearings. Not gonna argue with you about this. You're wrong.

[pizzaman]

were not arguing, were having a discussion.
If thats how the law reads fine.

as for my OPINION, I don't think people under the age of 21 should be in a BAR.

if they are in a BAR do you really think there not gonna try to consume alcohol.

personal note:
For me, i like going to bars that have an age limit of 25 and older, alot more problems come with KIDS under 25 that are drinking.
THAT IS A FACT!

"Hold on"- your arguing for - not against.
are you under 21 yourself? ? ?

I do believe
if the bartender is letting under 21 into the bar
then the bartender should be held responsible

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS AN OPINION
LIKE A$$ H@!#$ EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE

[hold on]

No argument here. I agree with you about not letting anyone under the legal age into a bar. I was only stating what the law is. And even though the law permits it, I think it is stupid and invites underage consumption. Bar owners would be wise and prudent to exclude patrons under the legal drinking age even if it is legal to allow them in. And then there's the problem of phony ID. Some of the false proof is very good and hard to detect by bar owners who are concerned about losing their liquor licenses. People who use forged documents should more often be held accountable. So we're pretty much on the same page here.

[real life]

don't want your kids in bars? be a parent and watch them, don't walk down the streets and see them in the windows.

[real life]

And if you see them you are doing something wrong

[gray town]

maybe you should move to lindenhurst. than you would have something to complain about. our stores here are boarded up and empty. we are getting a district court and a 7-eleven. here comes the illegals from farmingdale.would you like to trade. i love your town. i am not a teenage drunk just someone who likes to take walks in a town that has nice storefronts, restaurants and nightlife. good luck in Florida.

[gray town]

i know kids can be sneaky, but keep your child busy with something else or sit down with her and give her some rules. amazing how seeing someone else's underage children didn't bother you but they are your daughters friends. figure it out. the bartender didn't care about your child because she was not his as you did not care about someone else's when you saw them at the bar. shame on you.

[graytown]

i know kids can be sneaky, but keep your child busy with something else or sit down with her and give her some rules. amazing how seeing someone else's underage children didn't bother you but they are your daughters friends. figure it out. the bartender didn't care about your child because she was not his as you did not care about someone else's when you saw them at the bar. shame on you.

[pizzaman]

Now there is a place that if you are 18 you can PARTY with the over 21 drinking crowd.

Good Idea
OR
Bad Idea

Has All The Ingredient's For Disaster !

but thats just my opinion.............

Anyone else have an opinion on this ? ? ? ?

[FRANKIE]

We can send our 18 year olds to war, but they can't drink at a bar......They can die for their country, but they can't have a beer at a bar.....And all we say is they are growing up too fast. Think about this.

Also, you can serve alchohol if you are 18, but you can't drink. Thats the law.

Anyone underage can be in a SLA licensed premises as long as they are not served alcholhol. Thats the law.
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[pizzaman]

If someone selling/serving alcohol is under 21, someone else in the establishment HAS to be of legal age.
EXAMPLE wner/manager/shift manager and so on.........

The bar bizz is the only bizz that can refuse to let certain Individuals in their establishment.
ALSO, the bartender has the right NOT to serve any person.

I see your point in your first paragraph......
but this is how the law reads for now
don't like it ......
be somebody and try to make a change!

Gimme a break. Babylon Village is a lilly white sleepy community. If a little youthful partying upsets you, then move to Florida like the rest of the old folks.

and there is something wrong with a lily white community?

[Cant we get along in NY]

Gimme a break. Babylon Village is a lilly white sleepy community. If a little youthful partying upsets you, then move to Florida like the rest of the old folks.

and there is something wrong with a lily white community?


What kindof viewpoint is that. People like you are what is bringing down our lovely village

Gimme a break. Babylon Village is a lilly white sleepy community. If a little youthful partying upsets you, then move to Florida like the rest of the old folks.

and there is something wrong with a lily white community?


What kindof viewpoint is that. People like you are what is bringing down our lovely village


yea ok. u must be liberal. move to wyandanch or roosevelt. u can get great views out of ur windows if u look between the bars u installed on them

[South in the 60's]

Gimme a break. Babylon Village is a lilly white sleepy community. If a little youthful partying upsets you, then move to Florida like the rest of the old folks.

and there is something wrong with a lily white community?


What kindof viewpoint is that. People like you are what is bringing down our lovely village


yea ok. u must be liberal. move to wyandanch or roosevelt. u can get great views out of ur windows if u look between the bars u installed on them

Its not the liberal view thats killing us but your segregationist attitiude

[yea ok]

seems to be delight when folks talk about and all black or spanish community.. someone mentions a white comunity, and were branded racists. i dont want to live with bars on my windows or watch my back walking down the streets etc etc. so if that makes me a "segragationalist" so be it.

[BH in Brooklyn]

seems to be delight when folks talk about and all black or spanish community.. someone mentions a white comunity, and were branded racists. i dont want to live with bars on my windows or watch my back walking down the streets etc etc. so if that makes me a "segragationalist" so be it.

Go back to the South you redneck

[time258]

seems to be delight when folks talk about and all black or spanish community.. someone mentions a white comunity, and were branded racists. i dont want to live with bars on my windows or watch my back walking down the streets etc etc. so if that makes me a "segragationalist" so be it.

Go back to the South you redneck

Its time to grow up and live together

[BH loser]

Go back to the South you redneck[/quote]

you go all the way to 3rd grade to learn that? wow

[Divided Community]

Go back to the South you redneck

you go all the way to 3rd grade to learn that? wow[/quote]


Its amazing how divided we have become

This community goes out of its way to make people feel unwanted

[DW is back]

Go back to the South you redneck

you go all the way to 3rd grade to learn that? wow


Its amazing how divided we have become

This community goes out of its way to make people feel unwanted[/quote]

All its about is having people who only look like you living here

All its about is having people who only look like you living here

and there is something wrong with that?

nothing wrong with being a racist

nothing wrong with being a racist

THAT statement works BOTH ways......

nothing wrong with being a racist

THAT statement works BOTH ways......

Exactly correct - keeping people out who look different than you paints you clearly as one

and youre not? seems to be perfectly ok to have a black or spanish neighborhood, but someone wants to live in a european area, he's branded a racist. yea ok. ill think about that while i watch my miss white america pageant on white entertainment televison and writing my rep in the congressional white caucus, and/or the association of white mayors. oh wait, those would be racist organizations.

since we have to be politically correct, shouldnt the KKK be called the "white panthers?" seems a nyc council member was a black panther and they killed some white folks. but youre right, THATS ok. i work in the ghetto, dont wanna live in one . but you can knock yourself out. by the way, why dont you take in some of the illegal aliens in farmingville (sorry, you call them undocumented citizens) living in the woods and give em room and board. go for it.

signed, your friendly neighborhood racist.. (in your eyes)

[Billy H lives in Brooklyn]

and youre not? seems to be perfectly ok to have a black or spanish neighborhood, but someone wants to live in a european area, he's branded a racist. yea ok. ill think about that while i watch my miss white america pageant on white entertainment televison and writing my rep in the congressional white caucus, and/or the association of white mayors. oh wait, those would be racist organizations.

since we have to be politically correct, shouldnt the KKK be called the "white panthers?" seems a nyc council member was a black panther and they killed some white folks. but youre right, THATS ok. i work in the ghetto, dont wanna live in one . but you can knock yourself out. by the way, why dont you take in some of the illegal aliens in farmingville (sorry, you call them undocumented citizens) living in the woods and give em room and board. go for it.

signed, your friendly neighborhood racist.. (in your eyes)

Well since Spain is a European country why are you banishing them?

[stay in brooklyn]

oops hispanic.. not pc... oops still hear em called spanish.... even as i drive down the interboro.....

[Grand Wizard]

oops hispanic.. not pc... oops still hear em called spanish.... even as i drive down the interboro.....

Actually your racist ideas dont belong in this town

ahh racist.. only white ppl are racist. read the international forun about ms 13 all over long island. ppl like you killed nice areas like brownsville bed stuy and . you can live with em i dont. and while ur at it read yesterdays newsday. take some of the illegals in your house. seems rev ramirez keeps em out of brookville..

ahh racist.. only white ppl are racist. read the international forun about ms 13 all over long island. ppl like you killed nice areas like brownsville bed stuy and . you can live with em i dont. and while ur at it read yesterdays newsday. take some of the illegals in your house. seems rev ramirez keeps em out of brookville..

Do you know if these people belong to MS 13 - you are grouping all non white people in this same group.

Your ideas are unwanted

ahh racist.. only white ppl are racist. read the international forun about ms 13 all over long island. ppl like you killed nice areas like brownsville bed stuy and . you can live with em i dont. and while ur at it read yesterdays newsday. take some of the illegals in your house. seems rev ramirez keeps em out of brookville..

Do you know if these people belong to MS 13 - you are grouping all non white people in this same group.

Your ideas are unwanted

then move your liberal ass out of town. i noticed the almighty rev ramirez doesnt live in farming"vile". and why dont you give me one european neighborhood that decreased in value. id like to see this town stay nice. once its downhill hard to recover. point being if european people want to live in a european area, you clowns brand us racist. seems to be safer walking in those areas at night compared to brentwood, CI,hempstead, and so on. towns that used to be decent areas. b ut since your on ur high horse, sell your house here for a nice profit and move to a sh*t town. buy the nicest house and u can be king of CI. but again, only white people are racist.. save it.

[MARIE connnnnnelllly]

ahh racist.. only white ppl are racist. read the international forun about ms 13 all over long island. ppl like you killed nice areas like brownsville bed stuy and . you can live with em i dont. and while ur at it read yesterdays newsday. take some of the illegals in your house. seems rev ramirez keeps em out of brookville..

Do you know if these people belong to MS 13 - you are grouping all non white people in this same group.

Your ideas are unwanted

No it will be actually you who will be moving out of this town with your unwanted backwards ideas

then move your liberal ass out of town. i noticed the almighty rev ramirez doesnt live in farming"vile". and why dont you give me one european neighborhood that decreased in value. id like to see this town stay nice. once its downhill hard to recover. point being if european people want to live in a european area, you clowns brand us racist. seems to be safer walking in those areas at night compared to brentwood, CI,hempstead, and so on. towns that used to be decent areas. b ut since your on ur high horse, sell your house here for a nice profit and move to a sh*t town. buy the nicest house and u can be king of CI. but again, only white people are racist.. save it.

ahh racist.. only white ppl are racist. read the international forun about ms 13 all over long island. ppl like you killed nice areas like brownsville bed stuy and . you can live with em i dont. and while ur at it read yesterdays newsday. take some of the illegals in your house. seems rev ramirez keeps em out of brookville..

Do you know if these people belong to MS 13 - you are grouping all non white people in this same group.

Your ideas are unwanted

No it will be actually you who will be moving out of this town with your unwanted backwards ideas

yea ok hillary :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

then move your liberal ass out of town. i noticed the almighty rev ramirez doesnt live in farming"vile". and why dont you give me one european neighborhood that decreased in value. id like to see this town stay nice. once its downhill hard to recover. point being if european people want to live in a european area, you clowns brand us racist. seems to be safer walking in those areas at night compared to brentwood, CI,hempstead, and so on. towns that used to be decent areas. b ut since your on ur high horse, sell your house here for a nice profit and move to a sh*t town. buy the nicest house and u can be king of CI. but again, only white people are racist.. save it.

HOW YOU DO'IN

Babylon village has at least 3 BARS that sell alcohol only.
just because there are pretzels on the bar under 21 can be in there ? ? ?please.

If it is a RESTAURANT then yes under 21 SHOULD BE and are allowed.

If the main part of the business is alcohol(bar) then no person under 21 should be allowed in.
this is my opinion
not fact

hold on: are you sure or just guessing about the LAW? ? ?
How doe's the ABC law read anyone know?

No Bar ONLY SELLLS Alcohol!

They ALL sell soda & selzter!

[guest 3]

how many white gangs do you see on LI?

[go home hillary]

Plenty, They are called sports teams.

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Does Babylon have their own police?

Who are the people in the white cars with the red lights on the roof? They also wear light blue shirts and dark blue pants with detective badges. Who are they?

how many white gangs do you see on LI?

not many. unless they are nigga wannabe's struttin they stuff for da bitches. most white kids are home studying for tests the next day in school,or volunteering at churches, or hanging with archie and jughead at pops chok'lit shop.

Maybe they are learning spanish so they can get a part time job. Can't get a better feeling than feeling like a foreigner in your own country. ahh diversity.. as america sinks deeper into the hole..........................................

Does Babylon have their own police?

Who are the people in the white cars with the red lights on the roof? They also wear light blue shirts and dark blue pants with detective badges. Who are they?


They are just the public saftey people. Pretty much drive around and give parking tickets in the village

[I'm Confused]

why no day laborer site in Babylon ?

why no hundreds of transient males congregating on your streets ?

why no public urination, no leering at females, no using drugs and alcohol, no cursing in a foreign tongue, no gang hangouts, no graffitti, no shuttered metal gates over windows and doors on store fronts, no corona and liquor bottles and garbage strewn through the streets, no shootings, no stabbings, no raping, no foreign pedophiles, no prostitutes, no densely packed illegal dwellings with illegals living in squalor, no police raids with storm trooper like tactics, no foreign gang violence in your schools etc.

If you do miss that kind of quality of life:

move to HUNTINGTON STATION

[shaffer's disciple]

because Richie wouldn't let it happen 8)

[Bells for Bellone]

Whatever happened about the fanatics who wanted the signs off of town property right before election because GOD was included ?

Was this a nice stunt right before elction to get conservative votes for Democrats ?

[best scam of the year]

that Bellone scam must top out Levy's concern for the mess illegal aliens cause

yet why don't the Repubs speakout are they b---less :?

The initial post is right on the money. Teenage drinking and mischief are not new to Babylon or any other place for that matter. However, we are becoming a more affluent community with RE values increasing. With this comes more development and denser population and more people. VOB is also now a destination for people of all ages with all our restaurants and pubs. Historically VOB has been a small village atomosphere where everyone knows one another, and kids had to wonder how many people would inform their parents what they had done. Now we are more a community of stangers and affluent parents who defend their kids actions at any cost. So more people, more teens, more outsiders, less responsibility ~ mor problems. Maybe not as many as other communities - so what? We likely have more than some less than others we don't need to apologize to anyone for that. If you live here get involved in your local politics, it will help, if you don't mind your own business work on your own community !!!

is the better babylon party really what it stands for anymore?

Depends on your definition of Better.............

i hear the mayor and trustees are gearing up for this coming election. i think the mayor and 2 trustees are up. are they going to be running unopposed?

i hear the mayor and trustees are gearing up for this coming election. i think the mayor and 2 trustees are up. are they going to be running unopposed?

Probably unopposed like usual ! Who can live here and afford to run for those offices, unless you're retired and have a good pension coming in.

You don't need a good pension to get involved with your community. So stop looking for the easy way out!

Why do you assume anyone is less motivated than you? No one said you need a pension to be involved in your community, but you need one if you want to dedicate the time required to one of these positions if you want to do a good job. I don't think the compensation the mayor or trustees gets would allow you to live in Babylon, if it were your only source of income, would it? Maybe you know more than I do ???

Why do you assume anyone is less motivated than you? No one said you need a pension to be involved in your community, but you need one if you want to dedicate the time required to one of these positions if you want to do a good job. I don't think the compensation the mayor or trustees gets would allow you to live in Babylon, if it were your only source of income, would it? Maybe you know more than I do ???


They have no motivation to do a good job - they get paid regardless

What do they get paid???

I heard that they make so much money it puts them in a higher tax bracket. I did some checking and found that the Mayor makes a big 10 thousand a year and the trustees make a wopping 5 thousand a year.

And from what i hear the hours that they put in it adds up to about 30 cents an hour. For what those people do they should be getting a hell of alot more than that. It's amazing, everyone thinks they're all getting rich.

To the Mayor and Trustee's Great Job - Thanks

I heard that they make so much money it puts them in a higher tax bracket. I did some checking and found that the Mayor makes a big 10 thousand a year and the trustees make a wopping 5 thousand a year.

And from what i hear the hours that they put in it adds up to about 30 cents an hour. For what those people do they should be getting a hell of alot more than that. It's amazing, everyone thinks they're all getting rich.

To the Mayor and Trustee's Great Job - Thanks

You got that right. Great job and keep up the good work. You are all really appreciated by the residents for all that you do.

I heard that they make so much money it puts them in a higher tax bracket. I did some checking and found that the Mayor makes a big 10 thousand a year and the trustees make a wopping 5 thousand a year.

And from what i hear the hours that they put in it adds up to about 30 cents an hour. For what those people do they should be getting a hell of alot more than that. It's amazing, everyone thinks they're all getting rich.

To the Mayor and Trustee's Great Job - Thanks

You got that right. Great job and keep up the good work. You are all really appreciated by the residents for all that you do.

The people in office don't get enough credit for all they do..... This is elections season and the candidates are out doing the right thing. Countless hours spent doing all the right things. To the Better Babylon Party Candidates." Thanks for all you do.Great Job "

Hell for 30 cents an hour i would rather be an illegal, make money off the books and get free health benny's. (On a positive note thanks you board you are doing a great job. Well done!!!

Aside from all the kudos, the point of the last few threads was that the candidates will again, as usual, run unopposed. Your opinion if that is good or bad is up to you. The main reason for it is that there are few people who can afford to volunteer that much time, regardless how good the cause. Maybe they should be compensated better so that the pool of candidates would be wider? I'm not saying they do a bad job, but new people with new ideas might be refreshing too.

[Jo]

Aside from all the kudos, the point of the last few threads was that the candidates will again, as usual, run unopposed. Your opinion if that is good or bad is up to you. The main reason for it is that there are few people who can afford to volunteer that much time, regardless how good the cause. Maybe they should be compensated better so that the pool of candidates would be wider? I'm not saying they do a bad job, but new people with new ideas might be refreshing too.

They should definitely receive better compensation. They do a great job.

Well maybe better compensation and term limits should be proposed together?

That sounds like a great idea, why don't we go to the next board meeting and propose that to them.

Parents, are you watching who your children hangout with and what they wear. Im in my mid 20's and i can recall how my peers dressed and they did not dress anywhere near what kids today dress. Just the other day i was out at a public place and it was cold out, and i saw all these girls in next to nothing... mom/dad, why are you letting your 15 year old out like that, your just ASKING for trouble.

When i was a kid, we played games in the park and enjoyed life, kids today are always on their cell phones and are trying to act like they are in their 30's..

Parents today are not setting enough rules. If i wanted something growing up, i had to get a job and earn it. Today im a mature person and know the value of a dollar. Kids today, rely on mommy/daddy for everything.

Kids today have no values, they all seem like hoodlums. Its rare I meet a nice kid, most of the ones I meet have no values, no respect for elders, and think they can do whatever they want.

Whatever happened to the curfew rules, are there any even???

Parents, are you watching who your children hangout with and what they wear. Im in my mid 20's and i can recall how my peers dressed and they did not dress anywhere near what kids today dress. Just the other day i was out at a public place and it was cold out, and i saw all these girls in next to nothing... mom/dad, why are you letting your 15 year old out like that, your just ASKING for trouble.

When i was a kid, we played games in the park and enjoyed life, kids today are always on their cell phones and are trying to act like they are in their 30's..

Parents today are not setting enough rules. If i wanted something growing up, i had to get a job and earn it. Today im a mature person and know the value of a dollar. Kids today, rely on mommy/daddy for everything.

Kids today have no values, they all seem like hoodlums. Its rare I meet a nice kid, most of the ones I meet have no values, no respect for elders, and think they can do whatever they want.

Whatever happened to the curfew rules, are there any even???

Wow, not sure village officials can do anything about this....................

[48 year resident.]

Parents, are you watching who your children hangout with and what they wear. Im in my mid 20's and i can recall how my peers dressed and they did not dress anywhere near what kids today dress. Just the other day i was out at a public place and it was cold out, and i saw all these girls in next to nothing... mom/dad, why are you letting your 15 year old out like that, your just ASKING for trouble.

When i was a kid, we played games in the park and enjoyed life, kids today are always on their cell phones and are trying to act like they are in their 30's..

Parents today are not setting enough rules. If i wanted something growing up, i had to get a job and earn it. Today im a mature person and know the value of a dollar. Kids today, rely on mommy/daddy for everything.

Kids today have no values, they all seem like hoodlums. Its rare I meet a nice kid, most of the ones I meet have no values, no respect for elders, and think they can do whatever they want.

Whatever happened to the curfew rules, are there any even???

Wow, not sure village officials can do anything about this.................... To discuss curfew rules let's begin with the parents. All this starts in the home and the parents should be setting the limits. Even if a curfew were to be established the parents would be the one's screaming and kicking " Oh.No.NOT MY KID " if their children got in a jam. I agree there are some nasty kids out there that are totally disrespectful and need a good
lesson taught to them. One problem is that some of these kids we are talking about are not even from Babylon Village. Let's also look at the two school systems that comprise Babylon Village. We have Babylon School District and the West Babylon School District. I certainly think that they have some responsibility in formulating the thought process of kids. Aren't any concepts of good citizenship taught anywhere??? However, first and foremost
the parents should get off their lazy behinds and be the first to control their children instead of waiting for communities to do it.

Curfew, I'd be the very first to tell them where to stick it. You want to tell my kids when and where they can be as residents of this community? How about the old farts driving home drunk from LaGrange or the Pier? What about the arrogant pricks parking their Mercedes illegally and creating hazards at places like the Carriage House, Argyle Tavern and Peter's Pasta? How about the late night hangouts like the Breeze, Flannigans and Mary Carrols? Should we try apply a curfew to all of these losers too? Why not require all the restaurants and pubs to close at the same time you want the kiddies tucked in? Babylon has it's problems but the kids that live here are the least of them ! If you want a curfew move to a senior citizens complex where they have one.

Why don't we stick to the issue like the kids and their attitudes

[Flo]

Why don't we stick to the issue like the kids and their attitudes

I would like to stick to the issue of the kids and the schools. Several posts back it was mentioned that not all the kids who are causing trouble are from the Village. Well, some of them are. I feel very strongly that parents are responsible for setting a good example for their children so they are responsible, respectful members of their community. The parents are also responsible for the atmosphere in the schools. They should insist that the employees of the district are professional, moral, ethical individuals who set a good example for their children. So, why do we have a high school principal who had a very public DWI BEFORE he got tenure and then got tenure anyway? Why do we tolerate less that exemplary behavior from our teachers? They are influencing our children. Thank God the ones with the inappropriate behavior are the minority. But, it shouldn't be tolerated. Some of the people driving home drunk from the Post Office and the Argyle are teaching our kids. And, by example, they are teaching them that it's O.K. to drink and drive.

[48 year resident]

[quote=Anonymous]Why don't we stick to the issue like the kids and their attitudes

I would like to stick to the issue of the kids and the schools. Several posts back it was mentioned that not all the kids who are causing trouble are from the Village. Well, some of them are. I feel very strongly that parents are responsible for setting a good example for their children so they are responsible, respectful members of their community. The parents are also responsible for the atmosphere in the schools. They should insist that the employees of the district are professional, moral, ethical individuals who set a good example for their children. So, why do we have a high school principal who had a very public DWI BEFORE he got tenure and then got tenure anyway? Why do we tolerate less that exemplary behavior from our teachers? They are influencing our children. Thank God the ones with the inappropriate behavior are the minority. But, it shouldn't be tolerated. Some of the people driving home drunk from the Post Office and the Argyle are teaching our kids. And, by example, they are teaching them that it's O.K. to drink and drive.[/quote Well said..

Why don't we stick to the issue like the kids and their attitudes

Why don't we talk about your attitude of being holier than thou. Do you have kids, did you, were you one once yourself? Were you, are you perfect? The hypocrisy is amazing. There have always been kids getting in trouble in Babylon, as in any community, and usually it's only the ones without prominent names that get noticed. Maybe if everyone got off their asses and went outside when the hear noise at night or got to know their neghbors instead of typing on thes boards they'd know who the hooligans are. Go out and challenge them or take them by their collars to their parents. Do you have the balls to go out and find out what's happening or do you just want to whine about what parents who are less capable than you evidently are/were???

listen people, dont kid yourselves anymore. the majority of these kids ARE babylons. you can take issue with teachers and anything else you need to hide behind, but the fact is the PARENTS of these 12 to 15 year olds from BABYLON are out there late at night without supervision. look at all the graffitti showing up, the property damage from these kids walking home from town. blame who you want, just take a ride around at night you are going to see these kids(maybe even yours) hanging out. try going into mulberry street without hearing a 12 year old girl talk as if she is 23. these kids are from babylon. dont bitch when your kids are out there without any supervision.

listen people, dont kid yourselves anymore. the majority of these kids ARE babylons. you can take issue with teachers and anything else you need to hide behind, but the fact is the PARENTS of these 12 to 15 year olds from BABYLON are out there late at night without supervision. look at all the graffitti showing up, the property damage from these kids walking home from town. blame who you want, just take a ride around at night you are going to see these kids(maybe even yours) hanging out. try going into mulberry street without hearing a 12 year old girl talk as if she is 23. these kids are from babylon. dont bitch when your kids are out there without any supervision.

So what is new about this same thing happened 40 years ago when I was out late too. We got into minor trouble just like the kids today do. What's the big deal? We had long hair and smoked pot, they have lip rings and drink red bull with vodka. Am I missing something? Have they begun raiding our homes or raping our women??? Give me a break, go back to sleep.

listen people, dont kid yourselves anymore. the majority of these kids ARE babylons. you can take issue with teachers and anything else you need to hide behind, but the fact is the PARENTS of these 12 to 15 year olds from BABYLON are out there late at night without supervision. look at all the graffitti showing up, the property damage from these kids walking home from town. blame who you want, just take a ride around at night you are going to see these kids(maybe even yours) hanging out. try going into mulberry street without hearing a 12 year old girl talk as if she is 23. these kids are from babylon. dont bitch when your kids are out there without any supervision.

So what is new about this same thing happened 40 years ago when I was out late too. We got into minor trouble just like the kids today do. What's the big deal? We had long hair and smoked pot, they have lip rings and drink red bull with vodka. Am I missing something? Have they begun raiding our homes or raping our women??? Give me a break, go back to sleep. You should go back to sleep. It seems that after 40 years of smoking pot your mind has become a little warped. So in your mind our homes would have to be raided ect. Hey fella, join the civilized society.

What I am saying is that nothing really happens in Babylon, but there are a whole lot of people with too much time on their hands, and they need to fill it by complaining about what THEY percieve as a problem. No I haven't smoked pot for 40 years, but I am honest and admit that as a teenager here I did. What did you do as teenager, from your complaints I guess you were a Saint? More likely your just another hypocrit with a selective or short memory. Our community is pretty damn good by comparison to surrounding communities and not too distant areas, so stop complaining. I'm proud to live in a place where there still is some commitment to community. Instead of complaining on these boards get involved, there are about 5000 youth organizations that ask for volunteers. Become a coach, a scout leader, whatever... that's what a very large number of the parents you are accusing actually do.

What I am saying is that nothing really happens in Babylon, but there are a whole lot of people with too much time on their hands, and they need to fill it by complaining about what THEY percieve as a problem. No I haven't smoked pot for 40 years, but I am honest and admit that as a teenager here I did. What did you do as teenager, from your complaints I guess you were a Saint? More likely your just another hypocrit with a selective or short memory. Our community is pretty damn good by comparison to surrounding communities and not too distant areas, so stop complaining. I'm proud to live in a place where there still is some commitment to community. Instead of complaining on these boards get involved, there are about 5000 youth organizations that ask for volunteers. Become a coach, a scout leader, whatever... that's what a very large number of the parents you are accusing actually do. Don't talk about getting involved ect. I have and done everything you use as examples. AS for too much time i doubt it and I don't render an opinion that is not informed. There is alot of stuff that goes on in our town after hours and it isn't as
" Innocent or typical" as you describe. No I wasn't a saint and I sure as heck
am not a hypocrit. The wanton destruction of private and public property is inexcusable and that is what we are talking about. Don't say it doesn't happen it sure does. Read your local paper and talk to your officials.

What I am saying is that nothing really happens in Babylon, but there are a whole lot of people with too much time on their hands, and they need to fill it by complaining about what THEY percieve as a problem. No I haven't smoked pot for 40 years, but I am honest and admit that as a teenager here I did. What did you do as teenager, from your complaints I guess you were a Saint? More likely your just another hypocrit with a selective or short memory. Our community is pretty damn good by comparison to surrounding communities and not too distant areas, so stop complaining. I'm proud to live in a place where there still is some commitment to community. Instead of complaining on these boards get involved, there are about 5000 youth organizations that ask for volunteers. Become a coach, a scout leader, whatever... that's what a very large number of the parents you are accusing actually do.

Don't talk about getting involved ect. I have and done everything you use as examples. AS for too much time i doubt it and I don't render an opinion that is not informed. There is alot of stuff that goes on in our town after hours and it isn't as
" Innocent or typical" as you describe. No I wasn't a saint and I sure as heck
am not a hypocrit. The wanton destruction of private and public property is inexcusable and that is what we are talking about. Don't say it doesn't happen it sure does. Read your local paper and talk to your officials.

Well if you're as involved and informed as you say you are then why do you need to read the local paper for your information? I read it, but more than half the time I already know the story, because I talk with fellow residents through my many local activities. Many of these are people I grew up with here and neither they or I can deny our recollections of teenage pranks. I don't condone vandalism, I just don't agree with your suggestion that this problem is new or any worse than in the past. And in an order of magnitude I don't think it's the largest or most serious problem you are amking it to be. I don't need to talk to my "officials" to hear their slant of how great things are, although I am not complaining, as I said I think we have a good community. If I do talk to my officials it will be about concerns regarding the overcrowding, traffic, densification and commercialization of our community which I believe poses a more serious problem than our own kids do. This trend brings lots of visitors to our village some of which are good and others that aren't. You can't be sure how many of the "wanton acts of destruction" were perpetrated by locals or visitors. If you factor in late night noise, traffic, fights and DWI's associated with our wildly successful bars and restaurants where do you see the greater threat?

What I am saying is that nothing really happens in Babylon, but there are a whole lot of people with too much time on their hands, and they need to fill it by complaining about what THEY percieve as a problem. No I haven't smoked pot for 40 years, but I am honest and admit that as a teenager here I did. What did you do as teenager, from your complaints I guess you were a Saint? More likely your just another hypocrit with a selective or short memory. Our community is pretty damn good by comparison to surrounding communities and not too distant areas, so stop complaining. I'm proud to live in a place where there still is some commitment to community. Instead of complaining on these boards get involved, there are about 5000 youth organizations that ask for volunteers. Become a coach, a scout leader, whatever... that's what a very large number of the parents you are accusing actually do.

Don't talk about getting involved ect. I have and done everything you use as examples. AS for too much time i doubt it and I don't render an opinion that is not informed. There is alot of stuff that goes on in our town after hours and it isn't as
" Innocent or typical" as you describe. No I wasn't a saint and I sure as heck
am not a hypocrit. The wanton destruction of private and public property is inexcusable and that is what we are talking about. Don't say it doesn't happen it sure does. Read your local paper and talk to your officials.

Well if you're as involved and informed as you say you are then why do you need to read the local paper for your information? I read it, but more than half the time I already know the story, because I talk with fellow residents through my many local activities. Many of these are people I grew up with here and neither they or I can deny our recollections of teenage pranks. I don't condone vandalism, I just don't agree with your suggestion that this problem is new or any worse than in the past. And in an order of magnitude I don't think it's the largest or most serious problem you are amking it to be. I don't need to talk to my "officials" to hear their slant of how great things are, although I am not complaining, as I said I think we have a good community. If I do talk to my officials it will be about concerns regarding the overcrowding, traffic, densification and commercialization of our community which I believe poses a more serious problem than our own kids do. This trend brings lots of visitors to our village some of which are good and others that aren't. You can't be sure how many of the "wanton acts of destruction" were perpetrated by locals or visitors. If you factor in late night noise, traffic, fights and DWI's associated with our wildly successful bars and restaurants where do you see the greater threat? Vandalism is vandalism no matter who does it. I agree some of the parties doing it may not be from Babylon. By the way I do the same as you do through my activities not just reading a paper. I suggested you read it for that reason but you cleared that one up. However the officials have always given me an honest answer not just " their slant ". Is this the most serious problem?? NO . But at times it does present a problem. What about the fracus ouside of Mulbury St
about 3 weeks ago. Did your associates tell you about that one?? Yeh
stuff like this happens here. Take a good look for yourself. Yeh you are entitled to your opinion as I am, that's why I am proud to be an American.
Stay well..

Ok, I agree to disagree with you. I know there was a large rumour of a fracas outside of Mulberry st. however my "associates" informed it never happened due to police presence and forknowledge of the event. Maybe your referring to another, I don't know. Are you aware of the frequency of bar fights at places like the Sea Breeze, The Carriage House and the Post Office? Can't wait for Flannigans to come up to speed. Need I mention the high class establishments near the RR station? My point throughout this thread is before people get bent out of shape at our terrible teens and their irresponsible parents shouldn't they be concerned at all about the hoard of strangers that inahbit our community on a regular basis and cause havoc? I always protect my own first, and as such I won't jump to conclusions about our kids and their parents but I will acknowlege a growing problem with outsiders as soon as I see it. To each their own ! Be safe in the storm, and stay warm.

Ok, I agree to disagree with you. I know there was a large rumour of a fracas outside of Mulberry st. however my "associates" informed it never happened due to police presence and forknowledge of the event. Maybe your referring to another, I don't know. Are you aware of the frequency of bar fights at places like the Sea Breeze, The Carriage House and the Post Office? Can't wait for Flannigans to come up to speed. Need I mention the high class establishments near the RR station? My point throughout this thread is before people get bent out of shape at our terrible teens and their irresponsible parents shouldn't they be concerned at all about the hoard of strangers that inahbit our community on a regular basis and cause havoc? I always protect my own first, and as such I won't jump to conclusions about our kids and their parents but I will acknowlege a growing problem with outsiders as soon as I see it. To each their own ! Be safe in the storm, and stay warm. Trust me I am aware of all that stuff at the bars as you have mentioned and have seen the result first hand. The Mulbury street fracus as you said was not that one. This happened a week prior to what you are referring to and there were physical altercations with this group who were blocking the doorway and exit not allowing patrons to leave. To the extent about the others " strangers " as you say I agree with you. That is another issue to be looked at as well and it has... been an issue for years.

I was not aware of the incident you mentioned at Muberry St. was it local teens?
Were the Police called and was anyone caught? I'm old school, if they were blocking my exit they would have been on the recieveing end of the altercation, and they would have been held at the scene until the Police arrived. Alot of people are just too scared to act these days, worried about legal repercussions.
It's a shame that such acts are accepted and that bystanders don't get involved.

I was not aware of the incident you mentioned at Muberry St. was it local teens?
Were the Police called and was anyone caught? I'm old school, if they were blocking my exit they would have been on the recieveing end of the altercation, and they would have been held at the scene until the Police arrived. Alot of people are just too scared to act these days, worried about legal repercussions.
It's a shame that such acts are accepted and that bystanders don't get involved.Yes they were called, nobody was caught, ( took too long for the Police to get there. ) and one of the perps was on the receiving end. Don't know for sure if it was locals or not but later I heard
the " Bayshore " word used. From what I was told the " perp " was tossed
and landed hard to the extent his injuries given what he hit could have
been extremely serious. I think that this is an example of where we do agree. However if I hear any more about it or anything else I'll comment.
Stay safe.

That sounds like a great idea, why don't we go to the next board meeting and propose that to them.

Do it before the election March 20 that's the only time they will even listen to you.

That sounds like a great idea, why don't we go to the next board meeting and propose that to them.

Do it before the election March 20 that's the only time they will even listen to you.

Term limits are needed in village government as is democracy, a two party system and competitive ekections. If elected officials continue to run unopposed so they will be able to give away the store (of they haven't already).

That sounds like a great idea, why don't we go to the next board meeting and propose that to them.

Do it before the election March 20 that's the only time they will even listen to you.

Term limits are needed in village government as is democracy, a two party system and competitive ekections. If elected officials continue to run unopposed so they will be able to give away the store (of they haven't already). And just where do you get your information from????

all you need to do is observe what is happening around you.

I would love to know where you people get your information from and how about some actual case of giving the place away or are you one of those type of people that just like to sling it and see where it falls.

I would love to know where you people get your information from and how about some actual case of giving the place away or are you one of those type of people that just like to sling it and see where it falls. Good reply. More than likely some clown that did one thing in town and now think they own the place like the rest of that breed.

case: who owns the parking lots behind carraige house, peters square and west marine. not all village owned! why does the village work in them? tax money cleaning private parking lots. :oops:

case: who owns the parking lots behind carraige house, peters square and west marine. not all village owned! why does the village work in them? tax money cleaning private parking lots. :oops: And you know this how?????

the question should be how come you dont know? go for a walk early in the morning and see older gentleman going through the lots. i see him when i walk in the morning. walk into mulberry street and ask who takes care of the lot. the will answer with a smile like they did when i asked. just do a little observing and you will see alot more. go for a walk and see what goes on, you will be amazed at what goes on. some very good things happen also. just go look for yourself.

the question should be how come you dont know? go for a walk early in the morning and see older gentleman going through the lots. i see him when i walk in the morning. walk into mulberry street and ask who takes care of the lot. the will answer with a smile like they did when i asked. just do a little observing and you will see alot more. go for a walk and see what goes on, you will be amazed at what goes on. some very good things happen also. just go look for yourself. Interesting, who is the old guy?? and what does he do in the lots???. Are you absolutely sure.
As for why I wouldn't know I guess what you are saying is that this is common knowledge around town?? If that's the case how come it never gets
brought up at a public meeting? As for the other stuff, like what????

[Jo]

the question should be how come you dont know? go for a walk early in the morning and see older gentleman going through the lots. i see him when i walk in the morning. walk into mulberry street and ask who takes care of the lot. the will answer with a smile like they did when i asked. just do a little observing and you will see alot more. go for a walk and see what goes on, you will be amazed at what goes on. some very good things happen also. just go look for yourself. Interesting, who is the old guy?? and what does he do in the lots???. Are you absolutely sure.
As for why I wouldn't know I guess what you are saying is that this is common knowledge around town?? If that's the case how come it never gets
brought up at a public meeting? As for the other stuff, like what????


The lots in question - behind carriage house, west marine, and peter's square - belong to the village. That's why the village takes care of them. Any questions? Call village hall instead of spreading rumors.

The lots belong to the village. If you have any questions, call village hall.

the question should be how come you dont know? go for a walk early in the morning and see older gentleman going through the lots. i see him when i walk in the morning. walk into mulberry street and ask who takes care of the lot. the will answer with a smile like they did when i asked. just do a little observing and you will see alot more. go for a walk and see what goes on, you will be amazed at what goes on. some very good things happen also. just go look for yourself. Excuse me.. Read the last post...Like I said you know this how??? I guess the only silly question is the one you don't ask. The Village would never take care of someone else's parking lot. Are you sure you are walking in our community???

go and ask village hall, the answer will be that they do take care of these properties. lets see the people that own the the old banana building put the road across their property to be nice. lets see the they also put up a sign resembling a village parking sign. people ARE really nice around here. OR there was some form of deal made. which do you think happened. and i am sure i am walking in our community, maybe i notice more things that happen than you. and i would not call this spreading a rumor, i would say it is some more information for people to notice and ask about. more than the present administration has said to you.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

It is known that boat berths and RR parking spaces go to non-residents while tax paying residents languish on waiting lists. This should not happen. No resident should be made to wait while a non-resident holds a berth or parking space.

[JEREMIAH]

Because noone attends the Village meetings. Noone is even interested in running against the current administration, and there's isnt really a lot of money at stake, so people don't give a crap, like they do with the schools.

And it's Village ..not TOWN.

Why don,t you stop the cring on your computers and start going to board meetings.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that. For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

[MRS JARWITZ]

Why don't you bozos quit bitching about Main Street USA, and bust balls about that POS Library. What a joke.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Your condescending attitude is typical of Village insiders could you possibly be an official yourself? If so get your ass off this board and make an effort to make village government more transparent. In all honesty I don't bother asking too many questions of the "officials", not that I haven't, but I don't appreciate the BS flip flop answers I recieve so I seek out the answers elsewhere, through research and talking with long time residents. I assure you my comments here are not just my own, however I am quite frank where many are not.

Let's discuss some of your points -

Street lights - bought by BBS but installed, operateed and maintained by VOB - or your tax dollars !!!! Including hanging plants etc....

Boat Berths - I was not talking about privately owned so don't assume you are so SMART, I know which are and which aren't like the 5 or so at the top of Shore road. I am refferring to the 400 or so VOB berths. And in your lack of forthought you're actually are making my case for me. If as I suggested, a list was maintained for all to see than there would be no mistake about public vs. privtae would there? Is that a stupid statement made by a fool?

The Racanelli parking WAS the issue I referred to and if you can read correctly I said the interesting point was that the Village didn't comment on it. If all that property is VOB, then why did they open the drive way as a dirt road for several months before improving it? Maybe you want to ask your officials about that one.

I notice you didn't comment on several other topics. Do me a favor before you comment on my intelligence or knowledge read what I said. And don't assume for one moment that because you asked someone a question and got an answer that satified you that is the end of the story. If you prefer to drink the cool aid enjoy. But don't think that because you are saitisfied that eveyone else is. I assure you there are many who are not.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Your condescending attitude is typical of Village insiders could you possibly be an official yourself? If so get your ass off this board and make an effort to make village government more transparent. In all honesty I don't bother asking too many questions of the "officials", not that I haven't, but I don't appreciate the BS flip flop answers I recieve so I seek out the answers elsewhere, through research and talking with long time residents. I assure you my comments here are not just my own, however I am quite frank where many are not.

Let's discuss some of your points -

Street lights - bought by BBS but installed, operateed and maintained by VOB - or your tax dollars !!!! Including hanging plants etc....

Boat Berths - I was not talking about privately owned so don't assume you are so SMART, I know which are and which aren't like the 5 or so at the top of Shore road. I am refferring to the 400 or so VOB berths. And in your lack of forthought you're actually are making my case for me. If as I suggested, a list was maintained for all to see than there would be no mistake about public vs. privtae would there? Is that a stupid statement made by a fool?

The Racanelli parking WAS the issue I referred to and if you can read correctly I said the interesting point was that the Village didn't comment on it. If all that property is VOB, then why did they open the drive way as a dirt road for several months before improving it? Maybe you want to ask your officials about that one.

I notice you didn't comment on several other topics. Do me a favor before you comment on my intelligence or knowledge read what I said. And don't assume for one moment that because you asked someone a question and got an answer that satified you that is the end of the story. If you prefer to drink the cool aid enjoy. But don't think that because you are saitisfied that eveyone else is. I assure you there are many who are not. Hey asshole ! I happen to own a boat, to answer your question and when appling for a berth two forms of proof of residencey is required all you have to do is check for yourself but your to dam busy ripping people apart. and also to answer your statement i am not an official nor do i want to be but at least give them credit for keeping the village in good condition, By the way stupid if you checked on the flower baskets they are paid for by the beautification also. and sure the village pays to take care of them and the lights why the hell not.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Your condescending attitude is typical of Village insiders could you possibly be an official yourself? If so get your ass off this board and make an effort to make village government more transparent. In all honesty I don't bother asking too many questions of the "officials", not that I haven't, but I don't appreciate the BS flip flop answers I recieve so I seek out the answers elsewhere, through research and talking with long time residents. I assure you my comments here are not just my own, however I am quite frank where many are not.

Let's discuss some of your points -

Street lights - bought by BBS but installed, operateed and maintained by VOB - or your tax dollars !!!! Including hanging plants etc....

Boat Berths - I was not talking about privately owned so don't assume you are so SMART, I know which are and which aren't like the 5 or so at the top of Shore road. I am refferring to the 400 or so VOB berths. And in your lack of forthought you're actually are making my case for me. If as I suggested, a list was maintained for all to see than there would be no mistake about public vs. privtae would there? Is that a stupid statement made by a fool?

The Racanelli parking WAS the issue I referred to and if you can read correctly I said the interesting point was that the Village didn't comment on it. If all that property is VOB, then why did they open the drive way as a dirt road for several months before improving it? Maybe you want to ask your officials about that one.

I notice you didn't comment on several other topics. Do me a favor before you comment on my intelligence or knowledge read what I said. And don't assume for one moment that because you asked someone a question and got an answer that satified you that is the end of the story. If you prefer to drink the cool aid enjoy. But don't think that because you are saitisfied that eveyone else is. I assure you there are many who are not.

Hey xxxxxyy ! I happen to own a boat, to answer your question and when appling for a berth two forms of proof of residencey is required all you have to do is check for yourself but your to dam busy ripping people apart. and also to answer your statement i am not an official nor do i want to be but at least give them credit for keeping the village in good condition, By the way stupid if you checked on the flower baskets they are paid for by the beautification also. and sure the village pays to take care of them and the lights why the hell not.

Why do you continue to assume that you are so much smarter or better informed than everyone else or me specifically, do you have a self confidence problem? I don't need to check anything that I said. I am aware of the boat berth process and am also aware of multiple means of abuse historically in that system. If your not then ask around. The same concerns apply to VOB parking spaces at and around the RR. The baskets are paid for by the BBS and the VOB pays an FTE with a dedicated truck to water them. Maybe you noticed that or did you think it was just a benevolent resident who cared for them? They aren't hung in most residential neighborhoods but they are in the commercial district, yet every residents taxes pays for the install, replacement and upkeep of the lights and the baskets. Ditto for the Zamboni driver and little old guy. Residents get notices and summonses when their grass is too high, if their boat is in their front yard, if they park too long in front of their homes, if they put out the wrong trash on the wrong day, etc.... but the VOB does it's best to keep the merchants happy. I am not unhappy with the present administartion but like all administartions they could do better. What I was suggesting is that they could help themselves cut down on many of the negative assumptions people have by being more open. But that won't happen because they are never challenged. I, like you, do not have the time or interest in running for office so I'll cut off your likely response on that one. If everyone wears rose colored goggles like you nothing will change. "The whole village is just a wonderful place and all priorities are in order", this starting to sound like a school board presentation...........

PS I did not attack you as Stupid, or a Know Nothing and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude. We don't have to agree but we can have a dialogue if you refrain from your personal attacks. If not this will be my last so enjoy your cool aid.

Why don't you bozos quit bitching about Main Street USA, and bust balls about that POS Library. What a joke.

The library, the greenhouse, the lamp posts, the flower baskets, the golf course, the dump that isn't a dump, the new cell tower, it's all part of MAIN St. USA aka Better Babylon. Pleanty for everyone to bitch about. Choose your bitch.

Why don,t you stop the cring on your computers and start going to board meetings.

At least someone answers you here, which is quite different from the board meetings.

Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

you mean ralph, kevin, tony, alice and debbie ?????

You sound like a board member shill. Correct?

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that. For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Why don,t you stop the cring on your computers and start going to board meetings.

You must be a board member shill.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Your condescending attitude is typical of Village insiders could you possibly be an official yourself? If so get your ass off this board and make an effort to make village government more transparent. In all honesty I don't bother asking too many questions of the "officials", not that I haven't, but I don't appreciate the BS flip flop answers I recieve so I seek out the answers elsewhere, through research and talking with long time residents. I assure you my comments here are not just my own, however I am quite frank where many are not.

Let's discuss some of your points -

Street lights - bought by BBS but installed, operateed and maintained by VOB - or your tax dollars !!!! Including hanging plants etc....

Boat Berths - I was not talking about privately owned so don't assume you are so SMART, I know which are and which aren't like the 5 or so at the top of Shore road. I am refferring to the 400 or so VOB berths. And in your lack of forthought you're actually are making my case for me. If as I suggested, a list was maintained for all to see than there would be no mistake about public vs. privtae would there? Is that a stupid statement made by a fool?

The Racanelli parking WAS the issue I referred to and if you can read correctly I said the interesting point was that the Village didn't comment on it. If all that property is VOB, then why did they open the drive way as a dirt road for several months before improving it? Maybe you want to ask your officials about that one.

I notice you didn't comment on several other topics. Do me a favor before you comment on my intelligence or knowledge read what I said. And don't assume for one moment that because you asked someone a question and got an answer that satified you that is the end of the story. If you prefer to drink the cool aid enjoy. But don't think that because you are saitisfied that eveyone else is. I assure you there are many who are not.

Good response and you are correct of course. Either the responder is a VOB official or one of their Better Babylon Party flunkys.
And regarding the village parking lot behind the Carriage House, it is obvious that the fence was removed to expand the Carriage House parking lot by using village property at the expense and inconvenience to resident tax payers.

All you have to do is stop the BS and go to a board meeting and ask away. I am sure that they will answer any questions you have or would you rather sit at you computer and just stir the $hit

That is a BS answer, I have gone to lots of Board meetings and they are conducted in such a way that the general public needs a secret decoder ring to understand what is happening. One that I attended awhile ago when they were considering a new parking rule for commercial offices (basically to limit the Racanelli development aka the old Babylon Banana property) it was explained by a local atty. that a deal had been struck btw. the VOB and Racanaelli to allow an easement for the ad hoc road connecting Mulberry/Carriage House and the West Marine parking lots. It was further suggested that Racanelli would expect some favor for granting this easement. The interesting point is that none of the board members spoke up to explain this and the whole thing was simply tabled. If the board really wanted public input and comment they would make meeting minutes in plain english available in a timely manner after the meetings. Or list them in the Beacon it would be a better service then the gossip we read.

There are many examples of a lack of transparency in the way the village operates, just look at the boat berth or RR parking space assigments as a common pet peeve of many residents. Everyone knows that both processes are flawed at best and many suspect isuance is manipulated on something more than a first come first served basis. A simple solution would be to list the annual assignments by village address of the lessee along with license plate or regi numbers of authorized users. This would allow any suspecting person to see that no spaces or berths are rented to non-residents as is largely suspected. The list of waiting parties should also be posted so that the order in which assignments are made can not be manipulated. This would also limit your need to deal with the Clerks office, which depending on time of month or other factors can be a really unpleasant experience. This is just one example.

As for the "old Guy" he if he isn't a village employee someone should take away the village uniform, broom and trash can he uses to pick up litter. And if you are concerned about him maybe you should ask questions about the little Zamboni driver who sweeps just the commercial district, and I thought property owners were responsible for the sidewalks in front of their location?
He doesn't do MY sidewalk !!! Let's not even talk about the location of antique street lamps, baskets of flowers or watering of plants !!! It is clear that the VOB policy is to foster a beautiful downtown area and no one can argue with that, unless of course you feel there are other priorities. The question becomes to what extent do we take care of commerce at the expense of our private residents. The argument you will hear to justify this of course is your soaring property values, but what about surrounding communities with similar or higher values that don't even have a downtown? And at what point does the density of businesses, continued development, commerce and associated crowding, traffic and parking begin to erode property values? What benefit do the residents recieve from such a thriving restaurant and pub atomsphere, are these businesses taxed based on their revenues or is it simply a commercial property tax? The latter I suspect.

One thing that is readily avaialble to residents are tax maps of village properties so you can see who owns each parcel. If you have any question about ownership that should help you. Last time I asked to see them you did not need a FOIL application. More interesting reading might include revenue raised from code enforcement to see if there is any bias in where or to whom the most summons are issued, but you'll need FOIL and more for that.

For someone who says they know alot about what goes on in the village sure knows alot of nothing. If you would just spend the time and ask questions before make stupid statements you would'nt sound so much like a fool. The street light pole were purchased by the Babylon Beautification Society not tax dollars. All berthing for boats are not all owened by the village. The parking lots surrounding the Racanelli property is owned by the village with exception to the Carraige House lot. And do you know how I know this? Because I take the time to ask questions and talk to the Mayor and his Trustee's. Do you even know who they are?

Your condescending attitude is typical of Village insiders could you possibly be an official yourself? If so get your ass off this board and make an effort to make village government more transparent. In all honesty I don't bother asking too many questions of the "officials", not that I haven't, but I don't appreciate the BS flip flop answers I recieve so I seek out the answers elsewhere, through research and talking with long time residents. I assure you my comments here are not just my own, however I am quite frank where many are not.

Let's discuss some of your points -

Street lights - bought by BBS but installed, operateed and maintained by VOB - or your tax dollars !!!! Including hanging plants etc....

Boat Berths - I was not talking about privately owned so don't assume you are so SMART, I know which are and which aren't like the 5 or so at the top of Shore road. I am refferring to the 400 or so VOB berths. And in your lack of forthought you're actually are making my case for me. If as I suggested, a list was maintained for all to see than there would be no mistake about public vs. privtae would there? Is that a stupid statement made by a fool?

The Racanelli parking WAS the issue I referred to and if you can read correctly I said the interesting point was that the Village didn't comment on it. If all that property is VOB, then why did they open the drive way as a dirt road for several months before improving it? Maybe you want to ask your officials about that one.

I notice you didn't comment on several other topics. Do me a favor before you comment on my intelligence or knowledge read what I said. And don't assume for one moment that because you asked someone a question and got an answer that satified you that is the end of the story. If you prefer to drink the cool aid enjoy. But don't think that because you are saitisfied that eveyone else is. I assure you there are many who are not. Hey xxxxxyy ! I happen to own a boat, to answer your question and when appling for a berth two forms of proof of residencey is required all you have to do is check for yourself but your to dam busy ripping people apart. and also to answer your statement i am not an official nor do i want to be but at least give them credit for keeping the village in good condition, By the way stupid if you checked on the flower baskets they are paid for by the beautification also. and sure the village pays to take care of them and the lights why the hell not.
Are you suggesting only village rseidents have boat slips? Boy are you in the dark!

In the dark and/or STUPID.

speak with owner of mulberrys, the village went into agreement with him to use his parking lot for access thru banana property for more parking and conveinience for carraige house. in return village is responsible for upkeep of his parking lot. i.e. cleanig, sweeping, plowing. how many taxpayers actually know that. where was that public knowledge. must be rumor because the faithful dont know about it. get a grip. another losing proposition for the village. i wonder if all resteraunts get the same cooperation when the open up. doubt it.

speak with owner of mulberrys, the village went into agreement with him to use his parking lot for access thru banana property for more parking and conveinience for carraige house. in return village is responsible for upkeep of his parking lot. i.e. cleanig, sweeping, plowing. how many taxpayers actually know that. where was that public knowledge. must be rumor because the faithful dont know about it. get a grip. another losing proposition for the village. i wonder if all resteraunts get the same cooperation when the open up. doubt it.

Wow, sounds like a good deal for them. Wonder where the planning board was when those parcels were planned out (access/egress hisrorically sucked through the Mulberry parking area) and allowed the carriage house to add parking and exacerbate the situation. The other poster made an excellent point about the old fencing being removed. The south end of the carriage house lot was always a VOB space.

However, as far as the commercial district they all get pretty good treatment with the Zamboni sweeper, lights and flowers, little old guy and the lack of parking tickets. Guess Mulberry, Carriage House and racanelli just got some extra TLC.

speak with owner of mulberrys, the village went into agreement with him to use his parking lot for access thru banana property for more parking and conveinience for carraige house. in return village is responsible for upkeep of his parking lot. i.e. cleanig, sweeping, plowing. how many taxpayers actually know that. where was that public knowledge. must be rumor because the faithful dont know about it. get a grip. another losing proposition for the village. i wonder if all resteraunts get the same cooperation when the open up. doubt it.

Wow, sounds like a good deal for them. Wonder where the planning board was when those parcels were planned out (access/egress hisrorically sucked through the Mulberry parking area) and allowed the carriage house to add parking and exacerbate the situation. The other poster made an excellent point about the old fencing being removed. The south end of the carriage house lot was always a VOB space.

However, as far as the commercial district they all get pretty good treatment with the Zamboni sweeper, lights and flowers, little old guy and the lack of parking tickets. Guess Mulberry, Carriage House and racanelli just got some extra TLC.
If Mulberry, Carriage House and Racanelli got KISSED quess what the resident tax payers got!

Ok, I agree to disagree with you. I know there was a large rumour of a fracas outside of Mulberry st. however my "associates" informed it never happened due to police presence and forknowledge of the event. Maybe your referring to another, I don't know. Are you aware of the frequency of bar fights at places like the Sea Breeze, The Carriage House and the Post Office? Can't wait for Flannigans to come up to speed. Need I mention the high class establishments near the RR station? My point throughout this thread is before people get bent out of shape at our terrible teens and their irresponsible parents shouldn't they be concerned at all about the hoard of strangers that inahbit our community on a regular basis and cause havoc? I always protect my own first, and as such I won't jump to conclusions about our kids and their parents but I will acknowlege a growing problem with outsiders as soon as I see it. To each their own ! Be safe in the storm, and stay warm.
Yeah knife fights at the places you mentioned that are south of Main St and shootouts at the RR joints, if when as you noted Flannigans comes up to speed hopefully they will keep it down to club outs. Can't wait for summer.

Ok, I agree to disagree with you. I know there was a large rumour of a fracas outside of Mulberry st. however my "associates" informed it never happened due to police presence and forknowledge of the event. Maybe your referring to another, I don't know. Are you aware of the frequency of bar fights at places like the Sea Breeze, The Carriage House and the Post Office? Can't wait for Flannigans to come up to speed. Need I mention the high class establishments near the RR station? My point throughout this thread is before people get bent out of shape at our terrible teens and their irresponsible parents shouldn't they be concerned at all about the hoard of strangers that inahbit our community on a regular basis and cause havoc? I always protect my own first, and as such I won't jump to conclusions about our kids and their parents but I will acknowlege a growing problem with outsiders as soon as I see it. To each their own ! Be safe in the storm, and stay warm.

Yeah knife fights at the places you mentioned that are south of Main St and shootouts at the RR joints, if when as you noted Flannigans comes up to speed hopefully they will keep it down to club outs. Can't wait for summer.

Yeah and even if those knife fights, clubbings and shoot outs involved such esteemed residents of our community, they included people who are well past their teen years and the control of their parents AND/OR punks from other towns. Lily Flannigans, regular Flannigans, Barkers, the Villager - change the name as often as you like it still amounts to a drug den, for barely legal patrons who like to assault and or rape each other as they leave in the wee hours of the morning. Of course this only starts after they stow away the quaint dinner tables.

speak with owner of mulberrys, the village went into agreement with him to use his parking lot for access thru banana property for more parking and conveinience for carraige house. in return village is responsible for upkeep of his parking lot. i.e. cleanig, sweeping, plowing. how many taxpayers actually know that. where was that public knowledge. must be rumor because the faithful dont know about it. get a grip. another losing proposition for the village. i wonder if all resteraunts get the same cooperation when the open up. doubt it.

Wow, sounds like a good deal for them. Wonder where the planning board was when those parcels were planned out (access/egress hisrorically sucked through the Mulberry parking area) and allowed the carriage house to add parking and exacerbate the situation. The other poster made an excellent point about the old fencing being removed. The south end of the carriage house lot was always a VOB space.

However, as far as the commercial district they all get pretty good treatment with the Zamboni sweeper, lights and flowers, little old guy and the lack of parking tickets. Guess Mulberry, Carriage House and racanelli just got some extra TLC.
If Mulberry, Carriage House and Racanelli got KISSED quess what the resident tax payers got!

Here's what they got - the ability to be a dining and drinking destination for snobs, drug addicts, drunks and sluts from all over the island !!!

Wait until summer when the drunks, smokers, shooters, sluts, muggers, fighters, etc. are standing outside these places then things should really get interseting.

Ok, I agree to disagree with you. I know there was a large rumour of a fracas outside of Mulberry st. however my "associates" informed it never happened due to police presence and forknowledge of the event. Maybe your referring to another, I don't know. Are you aware of the frequency of bar fights at places like the Sea Breeze, The Carriage House and the Post Office? Can't wait for Flannigans to come up to speed. Need I mention the high class establishments near the RR station? My point throughout this thread is before people get bent out of shape at our terrible teens and their irresponsible parents shouldn't they be concerned at all about the hoard of strangers that inahbit our community on a regular basis and cause havoc? I always protect my own first, and as such I won't jump to conclusions about our kids and their parents but I will acknowlege a growing problem with outsiders as soon as I see it. To each their own ! Be safe in the storm, and stay warm.

Yeah knife fights at the places you mentioned that are south of Main St and shootouts at the RR joints, if when as you noted Flannigans comes up to speed hopefully they will keep it down to club outs. Can't wait for summer.

Yeah and even if those knife fights, clubbings and shoot outs involved such esteemed residents of our community, they included people who are well past their teen years and the control of their parents AND/OR punks from other towns. Lily Flannigans, regular Flannigans, Barkers, the Villager - change the name as often as you like it still amounts to a drug den, for barely legal patrons who like to assault and or --spam- each other as they leave in the wee hours of the morning. Of course this only starts after they stow away the quaint dinner tables.
Think of those quaint dinner tables as props. Its like in the old days when the slot machines, dice tables, card games and other fun things came out after the local officials walked away with a wink and a smile.

Wait until summer when the drunks, smokers, shooters, sluts, muggers, fighters, etc. are standing outside these places then things should really get interseting. Let's not forget about the terrorist, gangs, motor cycle gangs, rapist, and anyone else that wants to come. You make it sound as if the village of babylon is doomed.

Wait until summer when the drunks, smokers, shooters, sluts, muggers, fighters, etc. are standing outside these places then things should really get interseting. Let's not forget about the terrorist, gangs, motor cycle gangs, rapist, and anyone else that wants to come. You make it sound as if the village of babylon is doomed.

Nobody siad it was doomed this rant started by someone who was complaining about how terrible our teenagers are and their irresponsible parents were. They made it seem like A) typical teenager behavior was something new to babylon and B) that it was a huge problem. Many of the responses tried to put things in perspective by pointing out that although vandalism and disrespect are not justified they are by far not a new adolescent situation and that Babylon like most communites has it's share of it for years. Others stated the obvious that the increase and influx of outsiders to our ~40 restaurants and pubs are also responsible for a good portion of local public nuisances. Babylon is a great communtiy but it's not without it's problems. The peoeple who look for the easy way out by blaming one group or who stick their heads in the flower baskets assuming everything is wonderful don't help solve anything. That's the slant I read anyway. Have a nice weekend.

Wait until summer when the drunks, smokers, shooters, sluts, muggers, fighters, etc. are standing outside these places then things should really get interseting. Let's not forget about the terrorist, gangs, motor cycle gangs, rapist, and anyone else that wants to come. You make it sound as if the village of babylon is doomed.

Nobody siad it was doomed this rant started by someone who was complaining about how terrible our teenagers are and their irresponsible parents were. They made it seem like A) typical teenager behavior was something new to babylon and B) that it was a huge problem. Many of the responses tried to put things in perspective by pointing out that although vandalism and disrespect are not justified they are by far not a new adolescent situation and that Babylon like most communites has it's share of it for years. Others stated the obvious that the increase and influx of outsiders to our ~40 restaurants and pubs are also responsible for a good portion of local public nuisances. Babylon is a great communtiy but it's not without it's problems. The peoeple who look for the easy way out by blaming one group or who stick their heads in the flower baskets assuming everything is wonderful don't help solve anything. That's the slant I read anyway. Have a nice weekend.

Good point. Babylon Village is a fine place, just don't let those in control lull you into thinking it is more than it is or better than it is just to so they can get re-elected.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.

[MRS JARWITZ]

............AND WE GOT ONE HECK OF A LIBRARY. THAT WAS THE IMPORTANT THING!!!!

............AND WE GOT ONE HECK OF A LIBRARY. THAT WAS THE IMPORTANT THING!!!!

Yeah, but too bad about the hideous exterior design. Aluminum siding on a library? How tacky.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what!

I think many of these complaints come down to lack of community partcipationand I don't mean that it's the residents fault. Whatever admin. is in place should try to run governmrnt ad transparent as possible so that the public knows all that is going on and what decisions need to be made. How many projects are in question due to a common public perception that deals were made or decisions were made in a smoky room ??? Let's see, property zoning changes allowed in certain neighborhoods and not others, continuing condo and multi-family develeopment without impact studies to traffic, parking or schools, the olde GOLF course that couldn't be developed into anyhting BUT a GOLF course (still paying the bond off with tax dollars and highly questionable if green fees even cover ops.costs), the John Anthony's scandal, the building inspector scandal, etc... etc... It's time the VOB begins to prioritize it's residents concerns over commercial interests. Sure it's nice to have a choice of restaurants but other than a choice in menu the residents gain nothing form the commercialization that is ongoing. Add the unchecked development and densification of every poarcel of land we have and we are quickly becoming a Queens/Brooklyn.

[49 year resident]

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what! Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what! Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???Great remark that also hold true to our village officials if you don't like go to a meeting and voice your opion

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what! Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???Great remark that also hold true to our village officials if you don't like go to a meeting and voice your opion

and it wouldn't hurt if some of the egos on all of the boards stepped down to allow others to participate, it's not democracy when you have the same stuffed shirts supported by the same cheerleaders. It' sgetting old fast.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.
Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what! Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???Great remark that also hold true to our village officials if you don't like go to a meeting and voice your opion

and it wouldn't hurt if some of the egos on all of the boards stepped down to allow others to participate, it's not democracy when you have the same stuffed shirts supported by the same cheerleaders. It' sgetting old fast.
And smelly. Most think they are entitled to a lifetime appintment or elected position. They should all move up or move out. SUPPORT TERM LIMITS!!!

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.

Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what!

Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???

Great remark that also hold true to our village officials if you don't like go to a meeting and voice your opion

I think the whole idea of putting the burden on the taxpayer or resident to attend all the various board meetings is largely a cop out. Like it or not technology is here to stay, you can deny issues raised on boards like this are valid but that's not realistic. You just have to ignore the personal attacks and stupid comments and read in between. There are valid issues raised and the people on the boards would be well advised to acknowledge them. The burden is on them to conduct government in a transparent way that benefits the majority. The joke is that if you really want to know what is going on in babylon you'd be better served if you attended one of the many monthly organization meetings (i.e. lions, rotary, beautification, etc...) where the real decsions are made. All you'll hear at Village, Library or School board meetings is what those boards want you to hear and they only lisyten to what they like. That's a fact as demonstrated month after month after year after year. The answer is new blood on all boards and term limits so that no one gets comfy with their influence and position. This will also bring new ideas and new ways of thinking to all of the boards.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, unfortunately, re-election is a moot point without opposition. Status quo will continue until sufficient events cause another group of concerned residents to challenge the incumbents. In lieu of that the existing admin. should be challenged at board meetings and in personal forum by everyone and anyone who has questions or issues with the way things are done.

Over 20 years of one-party rule dictatorship has managed to stifle and discourage through intimidation any form of competitive democracy. Only term limits or a competitive two-party system can corrcet this situation.Yeah but we have one heck of a library and one hell of a school board, talk about blowing smoke up people you know what!

Keep the library and the school board out of it. They are 2 seperate entities that have a monthly meeting open to the public. If individuals feel that what is put forth on these 2 thingsis excessive vote it down and go sound off at the meeting. Not many did on the library and that's a fact. You have it now Right???

Great remark that also hold true to our village officials if you don't like go to a meeting and voice your opion

I think the whole idea of putting the burden on the taxpayer or resident to attend all the various board meetings is largely a cop out. Like it or not technology is here to stay, you can deny issues raised on boards like this are valid but that's not realistic. You just have to ignore the personal attacks and stupid comments and read in between. There are valid issues raised and the people on the boards would be well advised to acknowledge them. The burden is on them to conduct government in a transparent way that benefits the majority. The joke is that if you really want to know what is going on in babylon you'd be better served if you attended one of the many monthly organization meetings (i.e. lions, rotary, beautification, etc...) where the real decsions are made. All you'll hear at Village, Library or School board meetings is what those boards want you to hear and they only lisyten to what they like. That's a fact as demonstrated month after month after year after year. The answer is new blood on all boards and term limits so that no one gets comfy with their influence and position. This will also bring new ideas and new ways of thinking to all of the boards. Good point. especially the discussions that are not public..

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next?

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.You are the one with the **** attitude as you say. Real easy to pass the same old BS remarks ect. Who are you kidding?? What are your real issues anyway. Somebody tell you NO on something you wanted to do??? I bet you probably don't even know any of the people involved and are just passing along the same old line of crap like most do. Save it, pay your taxes as you say and keep moving on. You are entitled to you opinion but your use of vulgar terminology in your reply just shows your ignorance. What a shame I thought you might be able to have an adult discussion about the issues.
Don't be so angry.

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.You are the one with the **** attitude as you say. Real easy to pass the same old BS remarks ect. Who are you kidding?? What are your real issues anyway. Somebody tell you NO on something you wanted to do??? I bet you probably don't even know any of the people involved and are just passing along the same old line of crap like most do. Save it, pay your taxes as you say and keep moving on. You are entitled to you opinion but your use of vulgar terminology in your reply just shows your ignorance. What a shame I thought you might be able to have an adult discussion about the issues.
Don't be so angry.

I am sorry if that most terrible of offensive words bothered you but your attitude bothered me. Who are you to assume what my motivations are?
You want to talk about issues ? Let's. When was the last time there was a challenge let alone a change of seats at the Village board? Someone usually has to die or relinquish their seat before anything changes. That's exactly how the last two changes occured. Do you call that democracy? Does it allow for fresh ideas? Does it not foster a clique perspective to the rest of our residents? People like you are quick to question why others hide behind their keyboard , but what are you doing? This is a forum where dialogue and discourse can be interesting as long as EVERYONE respects one anothers opinions. You clearly don't agree with my points but instead of debating them you suggest I have to run for office to be credible. Who is the ignorant one? I have no idea what "same line of crap" or BS you are talking about, I read the threads and responded to the suggestion that term limits and new blood would be ood for our Village. I will continue to pay taxes but I'm not moving along anywhere I'm here to stay so get used to it, or simply don't read it. Have a nice day.

[Jo]

You are incorrect about the last changes on the board. There have been challenges. In fact, an incumbent lost election a few years back. Why don't you visit the Village Clerk and ask for the names of the candidates for past elections. I think you will be very surprised. Maybe you'll be upset when you find out that your information is incorrect. Or, mabybe you already know that but prefer to put out false information.

As far as your excuse for not running yourself ............"I can't afford it in terms of time or finances"............ Other people should give their time and limit their ability to make money because of all the time they are giving while you sit at your computer and complain? Or, maybe you know that it's extremely difficult to be in the public eye when there will always be someone who doesn't like your decision? Or better yet, maybe you wouldn't be able to take seeing criticism of you in writing?





Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.You are the one with the **** attitude as you say. Real easy to pass the same old BS remarks ect. Who are you kidding?? What are your real issues anyway. Somebody tell you NO on something you wanted to do??? I bet you probably don't even know any of the people involved and are just passing along the same old line of crap like most do. Save it, pay your taxes as you say and keep moving on. You are entitled to you opinion but your use of vulgar terminology in your reply just shows your ignorance. What a shame I thought you might be able to have an adult discussion about the issues.
Don't be so angry.

I am sorry if that most terrible of offensive words bothered you but your attitude bothered me. Who are you to assume what my motivations are?
You want to talk about issues ? Let's. When was the last time there was a challenge let alone a change of seats at the Village board? Someone usually has to die or relinquish their seat before anything changes. That's exactly how the last two changes occured. Do you call that democracy? Does it allow for fresh ideas? Does it not foster a clique perspective to the rest of our residents? People like you are quick to question why others hide behind their keyboard , but what are you doing? This is a forum where dialogue and discourse can be interesting as long as EVERYONE respects one anothers opinions. You clearly don't agree with my points but instead of debating them you suggest I have to run for office to be credible. Who is the ignorant one? I have no idea what "same line of crap" or BS you are talking about, I read the threads and responded to the suggestion that term limits and new blood would be ood for our Village. I will continue to pay taxes but I'm not moving along anywhere I'm here to stay so get used to it, or simply don't read it. Have a nice day.

How can one of thier firechief's go to calls all the time if he is out injured from the city fire dept? I bet the FDNY's DOI would be very interested.. Kepp drinking the free booze Chief...

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.You are the one with the **** attitude as you say. Real easy to pass the same old BS remarks ect. Who are you kidding?? What are your real issues anyway. Somebody tell you NO on something you wanted to do??? I bet you probably don't even know any of the people involved and are just passing along the same old line of crap like most do. Save it, pay your taxes as you say and keep moving on. You are entitled to you opinion but your use of vulgar terminology in your reply just shows your ignorance. What a shame I thought you might be able to have an adult discussion about the issues.
Don't be so angry.

I am sorry if that most terrible of offensive words bothered you but your attitude bothered me. Who are you to assume what my motivations are?
You want to talk about issues ? Let's. When was the last time there was a challenge let alone a change of seats at the Village board? Someone usually has to die or relinquish their seat before anything changes. That's exactly how the last two changes occured. Do you call that democracy? Does it allow for fresh ideas? Does it not foster a clique perspective to the rest of our residents? People like you are quick to question why others hide behind their keyboard , but what are you doing? This is a forum where dialogue and discourse can be interesting as long as EVERYONE respects one anothers opinions. You clearly don't agree with my points but instead of debating them you suggest I have to run for office to be credible. Who is the ignorant one? I have no idea what "same line of crap" or BS you are talking about, I read the threads and responded to the suggestion that term limits and new blood would be ood for our Village. I will continue to pay taxes but I'm not moving along anywhere I'm here to stay so get used to it, or simply don't read it. Have a nice day. Yeh well so am I here to stay. Not a bad way to look at it ...about the changes I mean and how they occur.

You are incorrect about the last changes on the board. There have been challenges. In fact, an incumbent lost election a few years back. Why don't you visit the Village Clerk and ask for the names of the candidates for past elections. I think you will be very surprised. Maybe you'll be upset when you find out that your information is incorrect. Or, mabybe you already know that but prefer to put out false information.

As far as your excuse for not running yourself ............"I can't afford it in terms of time or finances"............ Other people should give their time and limit their ability to make money because of all the time they are giving while you sit at your computer and complain? Or, maybe you know that it's extremely difficult to be in the public eye when there will always be someone who doesn't like your decision? Or better yet, maybe you wouldn't be able to take seeing criticism of you in writing?

Who challenged Ralph for Mayor? How many candidates were there for Ralph's trustee seat? Hmmm.....

The cheerleading squad seems to think that you either have to run for office yourself or you should keep your mouth shut. Sorry but that's not how democracy works. The elected serve the community, which is this case equates to the residents and property owners within the Village. It is not the other way around as you'd like to have it. We have great community but some of our priorites are really out of whack and the cheerleaders are doing the community a disservice with their propaganda about how wonderful it all is. Do some digging, you'll get the picture.











Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

No, I can't afford it in time or finances but that doesn't mean there are not other good candidates. And I'll overlook your shit attitude that if I don't run or attend every board meeting then I don't have any say. My only responsibility is to pay taxes. When you run and win an election YOU have a responsibility to the residents to accomodate them. It's NOT the other way around as many here would have it. What I am predicting is that many feel as I do and soon enough the old faces will be just that old faces. A lot of people are tired of the status quo you 'd hear that here and in other places if you'd listen, but evidently you are like those in office you listen to what makes you happy and ignore the rest.You are the one with the **** attitude as you say. Real easy to pass the same old BS remarks ect. Who are you kidding?? What are your real issues anyway. Somebody tell you NO on something you wanted to do??? I bet you probably don't even know any of the people involved and are just passing along the same old line of crap like most do. Save it, pay your taxes as you say and keep moving on. You are entitled to you opinion but your use of vulgar terminology in your reply just shows your ignorance. What a shame I thought you might be able to have an adult discussion about the issues.
Don't be so angry.

I am sorry if that most terrible of offensive words bothered you but your attitude bothered me. Who are you to assume what my motivations are?
You want to talk about issues ? Let's. When was the last time there was a challenge let alone a change of seats at the Village board? Someone usually has to die or relinquish their seat before anything changes. That's exactly how the last two changes occured. Do you call that democracy? Does it allow for fresh ideas? Does it not foster a clique perspective to the rest of our residents? People like you are quick to question why others hide behind their keyboard , but what are you doing? This is a forum where dialogue and discourse can be interesting as long as EVERYONE respects one anothers opinions. You clearly don't agree with my points but instead of debating them you suggest I have to run for office to be credible. Who is the ignorant one? I have no idea what "same line of crap" or BS you are talking about, I read the threads and responded to the suggestion that term limits and new blood would be ood for our Village. I will continue to pay taxes but I'm not moving along anywhere I'm here to stay so get used to it, or simply don't read it. Have a nice day.

[excapt,of the engine]

ok,here we go bashing the fd again. 1st of all. the chief did not respond to calls while on medical leave. Using the petty threat of FDNY DOI to investigate is just plain rubbish. While i agree that his drinking is extremly excessive, dont bring his livelihood into it.Thats is just pure malice.If you have such a problem with the way he does things,or the way he lives his lifestyle,Then,on april 5th, have someone put your name on the ballot, and run for chief.That is, if you could either.... a) be competent enough to actually do the job. b) think you could change the fire dept. C) get out of the back row of shit stirrers and be a solution not continue to backstab people who may actually turn out to be good. But i guess that would be too much to as. This person who bashed the chief is either someone who ran for chief and lost miserably, or someone with a lot to say with a 12% active status. Grow up asshole. I know this will be replied to with sarcasm, and criticism. But that is to be expected.Please people. think smart. Dont follow what nameless,faceless people do on a computer, out of view of the public. To all who agree with me thank you. to all who dont... well thats your opinion

ok,here we go bashing the fd again. 1st of all. the chief did not respond to calls while on medical leave. Using the petty threat of FDNY DOI to investigate is just plain rubbish. While i agree that his drinking is extremly excessive, dont bring his livelihood into it.Thats is just pure malice.If you have such a problem with the way he does things,or the way he lives his lifestyle,Then,on april 5th, have someone put your name on the ballot, and run for chief.That is, if you could either.... a) be competent enough to actually do the job. b) think you could change the fire dept. C) get out of the back row of shit stirrers and be a solution not continue to backstab people who may actually turn out to be good. But i guess that would be too much to as. This person who bashed the chief is either someone who ran for chief and lost miserably, or someone with a lot to say with a 12% active status. Grow up xxxxxyy. I know this will be replied to with sarcasm, and criticism. But that is to be expected.Please people. think smart. Dont follow what nameless,faceless people do on a computer, out of view of the public. To all who agree with me thank you. to all who dont... well thats your opinion

Yeah and don't let some JO steal this thread with that rubbish, let's get back to the real debate. Who's running for Village Board next year???

[scott128]

gentlemen, thank you for letting me take the time to respond.
i was told of this so called attack and my only response is STOP from getting caught up in this. there is no reason to respond to this. opinions are opinions... not facts!!!! come ask me i will answer your questions!!!!
thank you.


How can one of thier firechief's go to calls all the time if he is out injured from the city fire dept? I bet the FDNY's DOI would be very interested.. Kepp drinking the free booze Chief...

Term limits and active citizen participation in competitive elections are the only ways to end our village elected officials' attitude of entitlement and life time employment.

Agreed. So, it's too late this year who's running next? Why don't you run??? Easier to hide behind the computer???

He has two years to work on it.

ok,here we go bashing the fd again. 1st of all. the chief did not respond to calls while on medical leave. Using the petty threat of FDNY DOI to investigate is just plain rubbish. While i agree that his drinking is extremly excessive, dont bring his livelihood into it.Thats is just pure malice.If you have such a problem with the way he does things,or the way he lives his lifestyle,Then,on april 5th, have someone put your name on the ballot, and run for chief.That is, if you could either.... a) be competent enough to actually do the job. b) think you could change the fire dept. C) get out of the back row of shit stirrers and be a solution not continue to backstab people who may actually turn out to be good. But i guess that would be too much to as. This person who bashed the chief is either someone who ran for chief and lost miserably, or someone with a lot to say with a 12% active status. Grow up xxxxxyy. I know this will be replied to with sarcasm, and criticism. But that is to be expected.Please people. think smart. Dont follow what nameless,faceless people do on a computer, out of view of the public. To all who agree with me thank you. to all who dont... well thats your opinion

Yeah and don't let some JO steal this thread with that rubbish, let's get back to the real debate. Who's running for Village Board next year???

Not next year in two years. The next village election is in 2009. Should be easy pickings if this keeps up.

ok,here we go bashing the fd again. 1st of all. the chief did not respond to calls while on medical leave. Using the petty threat of FDNY DOI to investigate is just plain rubbish. While i agree that his drinking is extremly excessive, dont bring his livelihood into it.Thats is just pure malice.If you have such a problem with the way he does things,or the way he lives his lifestyle,Then,on april 5th, have someone put your name on the ballot, and run for chief.That is, if you could either.... a) be competent enough to actually do the job. b) think you could change the fire dept. C) get out of the back row of shit stirrers and be a solution not continue to backstab people who may actually turn out to be good. But i guess that would be too much to as. This person who bashed the chief is either someone who ran for chief and lost miserably, or someone with a lot to say with a 12% active status. Grow up xxxxxyy. I know this will be replied to with sarcasm, and criticism. But that is to be expected.Please people. think smart. Dont follow what nameless,faceless people do on a computer, out of view of the public. To all who agree with me thank you. to all who dont... well thats your opinion

Yeah and don't let some JO steal this thread with that rubbish, let's get back to the real debate. Who's running for Village Board next year???

Not next year but in 2009. Should be interesting and fun!

[MRS JARWITZ]

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

Maybe, maybe, not that's the interesting part. We now have the one party system of Better Babylon party. Maybe we need to form another, I have a suggestion for the name - The Honest Babylon party. All info. will be avaialable to anyone that aks, you won't need a FOIL application, all village decisions will be well documented and publicised. Board meetings will be open to comment and all minutes inclusing answeres to questions posed and residents complaints and suggestions will be noted and followed through resolution. That's a hell of platform and even if unsuccessful would raise the bar for those alraedy in place.

I can see it now we'll have red and blue neighorhoods :{ )

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

Maybe, maybe, not that's the interesting part. We now have the one party system of Better Babylon party. Maybe we need to form another, I have a suggestion for the name - The Honest Babylon party. All info. will be avaialable to anyone that aks, you won't need a FOIL application, all village decisions will be well documented and publicised. Board meetings will be open to comment and all minutes inclusing answeres to questions posed and residents complaints and suggestions will be noted and followed through resolution. That's a hell of platform and even if unsuccessful would raise the bar for those alraedy in place.

I can see it now we'll have red and blue neighorhoods :{ ) are you saying the present board is not honest and if so what are they lying about

[Wolfgang Puck]

http://fox.com/hellskitchen/

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

Maybe, maybe, not that's the interesting part. We now have the one party system of Better Babylon party. Maybe we need to form another, I have a suggestion for the name - The Honest Babylon party. All info. will be avaialable to anyone that aks, you won't need a FOIL application, all village decisions will be well documented and publicised. Board meetings will be open to comment and all minutes inclusing answeres to questions posed and residents complaints and suggestions will be noted and followed through resolution. That's a hell of platform and even if unsuccessful would raise the bar for those alraedy in place.

I can see it now we'll have red and blue neighorhoods :{ ) are you saying the present board is not honest and if so what are they lying about

Not dishonest, but who knows there are lots of quiet deals that happen, or at least rumours of them. There definitely seems to be a dual standard regarding how residents in diffreent neighborhoods are treated and there is a disparity in services provided. It would simply be nice if there was more transparency as has been mentioned by others here before. OK we'll call it the OPEN Babylon party.

[Who?]

Glad to see "Rockin' Rob" is back on the bench, maybe they'll get a good shot of village hall with him dancing to his music in the reality show over at Peter's

Is that Peter's Pasta?

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

Maybe, maybe, not that's the interesting part. We now have the one party system of Better Babylon party. Maybe we need to form another, I have a suggestion for the name - The Honest Babylon party. All info. will be avaialable to anyone that aks, you won't need a FOIL application, all village decisions will be well documented and publicised. Board meetings will be open to comment and all minutes inclusing answeres to questions posed and residents complaints and suggestions will be noted and followed through resolution. That's a hell of platform and even if unsuccessful would raise the bar for those alraedy in place.

I can see it now we'll have red and blue neighorhoods :{ ) are you saying the present board is not honest and if so what are they lying about

Not dishonest, but who knows there are lots of quiet deals that happen, or at least rumours of them. There definitely seems to be a dual standard regarding how residents in diffreent neighborhoods are treated and there is a disparity in services provided. It would simply be nice if there was more transparency as has been mentioned by others here before. OK we'll call it the OPEN Babylon party.

The name is not that important right now let's just get something going and pit an end to this elected for life business.

DOESN'T MATTER, YOU"LL STILL HAVE THE SAME MAYOR.

Maybe, maybe, not that's the interesting part. We now have the one party system of Better Babylon party. Maybe we need to form another, I have a suggestion for the name - The Honest Babylon party. All info. will be avaialable to anyone that aks, you won't need a FOIL application, all village decisions will be well documented and publicised. Board meetings will be open to comment and all minutes inclusing answeres to questions posed and residents complaints and suggestions will be noted and followed through resolution. That's a hell of platform and even if unsuccessful would raise the bar for those alraedy in place.

I can see it now we'll have red and blue neighorhoods :{ )

Red and blue good be good. Nothing wrong with multiple or major parties. At least you will have a choice, a voice, and know where candidates stand. No more hiding behind some fake or made up party name.

[APATHETIC]

Not that i care...Is today election day?

Not that i care...Is today election day?

Apathy is exactly why a single party with VERY little or no opposition continues.
As far as election day it's the 20th (I think) but you are right it really doesn't matter because have no choices this year. Hopefully, we can end the apathy and prepare for the next election.

[Not Apathetic]

Not that i care...Is today election day?

Apathy is exactly why a single party with VERY little or no opposition continues.
As far as election day it's the 20th (I think) but you are right it really doesn't matter because have no choices this year. Hopefully, we can end the apathy and prepare for the next election.


Let's end apathy on ALL boards in this village. There's a school election in May. Let's get some opposition there, too.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.

[retired parents]

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

[MRS JARWITZ]

Listen, there are definitely issues of selective enforcement, but let's call a spade a spade. This was a special use film permit, and they applied for all the inconveniences that were reviewed by the Village Board and attorney. So, why I think it's ludicrous that they allowed this sideshow to film right near our phenomenal libary, I'm sure that the hypothetical RV story would get some cooperation if they approached BV prior.

Oh, and election day is the 20th, why bother.........???

Listen, there are definitely issues of selective enforcement, but let's call a spade a spade. This was a special use film permit, and they applied for all the inconveniences that were reviewed by the Village Board and attorney. So, why I think it's ludicrous that they allowed this sideshow to film right near our phenomenal libary, I'm sure that the hypothetical RV story would get some cooperation if they approached BV prior.

Oh, and election day is the 20th, why bother.........???

definitely issues of selective enforcement - you can say that again !!!

Bottom line is the village is trying to become a 90210 episode or more like our large neighbor to the west - NYC. This is in direct conflict with why many of us and our families settled here and decided to stay here. IMHO if you want the best retaurants, entertainment and you want to film a TV spot get on the LIRR for a 50 minute ride West. While I don't speak for everyone there are a large number of folks who remember a quieter, closer, less hectic village as a "better babylon". But that doesn't seem to be a concern to the board. Development and commerce marches along at an unstoppable pace. It could be that people don't speak up enough, or it could be that the board doesn't listen, maybe a combination of both.

I agree I won't bother on the 20th because my vote won't make a difference.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.

[retired parents]

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community. OK. If you were in charge what issues would you change??? how would you do it??? and
what particular areas need restructuring or improvement? There are many good things that go on in the village and I think more positive than negative. I just would ask what are the things that you think need to be changed ect??? Thanks.

[retired parents]

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Your'e being quite obstinate.I have no reason to call and ask any questions.
The scenario I described was an illustartion of the way that the village caters to commerce , yet restricts and ignores residents. There are numerous examples of this that you might witness on a daily basis if you take off those rose colored glasses. I am not afraid of you or anyone at village hall I assure you. I, like you, simply am sharing my views anonymously. I do not want to offend anyone, you're less concerned with that. If you read carefully I have not suggetsed that any of the folks are bad people I actually like several of them. I don't like the way the vilage is run, and I wish others would challenge them. I am amzed by someone like you who assumes that because your own questions are answered, or someone in the village told you someting that you think YOU have facts. If I had a dime for every time I was given an "official" answer that turned out to be wrong or mistaken I could afford to eat in one of our famous restaurants. If you don't like what I write don't read it, but don't under any circumstance assume you know anything about me.

OK. If you were in charge what issues would you change??? how would you do it??? and
what particular areas need restructuring or improvement? There are many good things that go on in the village and I think more positive than negative. I just would ask what are the things that you think need to be changed ect??? Thanks.[/quote]

Purchase the large lot at the corner of Carl Ave and Park for public facilities. We have enough residential and multiple use projects. the Village needs space for their municipal services.

[Retired parents]

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Your'e being quite obstinate.I have no reason to call and ask any questions.
The scenario I described was an illustartion of the way that the village caters to commerce , yet restricts and ignores residents. There are numerous examples of this that you might witness on a daily basis if you take off those rose colored glasses. I am not afraid of you or anyone at village hall I assure you. I, like you, simply am sharing my views anonymously. I do not want to offend anyone, you're less concerned with that. If you read carefully I have not suggetsed that any of the folks are bad people I actually like several of them. I don't like the way the vilage is run, and I wish others would challenge them. I am amzed by someone like you who assumes that because your own questions are answered, or someone in the village told you someting that you think YOU have facts. If I had a dime for every time I was given an "official" answer that turned out to be wrong or mistaken I could afford to eat in one of our famous restaurants. If you don't like what I write don't read it, but don't under any circumstance assume you know anything about me.



You have no reason to call and ask any questions??????? Then what are you doing!? You're spreading venom. If you're so concerned, do something. Another telling quote from you - "I don't like the way the village is run and I wish others would challenge them." - ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU CHALLENGE THEM. Grow up. Personally, I think you're afraid. I think you need to get a hobby, go out to a movie, or read a book. And if you believe in something, stand up for it. Don't expect others to do it for you. And by the way, if you think that things are not handled well with the village government, I think it would be fascinating to see what you think of the school government. Now there's an interesting bunch. I wonder how quiet and peaceful this place would have been if we had a "county" field right in the middle of it. Did you call the school people to complain about that or do you just concentrate on the village board? You talk about selective enforcement. Do you apply selective responsibility? Probably. What happened? Did you lose an election or have a variance turned down? Sounds like it. I'm done. I have better things to do with my time and one of them is to speak directly to some of our elected officials in this community about things that I am unhappy with. I'm not going to put my concerns on a board and then tell other people to complain about them. I'm going to do it myself. Maybe you should try it.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Your'e being quite obstinate.I have no reason to call and ask any questions.
The scenario I described was an illustartion of the way that the village caters to commerce , yet restricts and ignores residents. There are numerous examples of this that you might witness on a daily basis if you take off those rose colored glasses. I am not afraid of you or anyone at village hall I assure you. I, like you, simply am sharing my views anonymously. I do not want to offend anyone, you're less concerned with that. If you read carefully I have not suggetsed that any of the folks are bad people I actually like several of them. I don't like the way the vilage is run, and I wish others would challenge them. I am amzed by someone like you who assumes that because your own questions are answered, or someone in the village told you someting that you think YOU have facts. If I had a dime for every time I was given an "official" answer that turned out to be wrong or mistaken I could afford to eat in one of our famous restaurants. If you don't like what I write don't read it, but don't under any circumstance assume you know anything about me.



You have no reason to call and ask any questions??????? Then what are you doing!? You're spreading venom. If you're so concerned, do something. Another telling quote from you - "I don't like the way the village is run and I wish others would challenge them." - ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU CHALLENGE THEM. Grow up. Personally, I think you're afraid. I think you need to get a hobby, go out to a movie, or read a book. And if you believe in something, stand up for it. Don't expect others to do it for you. And by the way, if you think that things are not handled well with the village government, I think it would be fascinating to see what you think of the school government. Now there's an interesting bunch. I wonder how quiet and peaceful this place would have been if we had a "county" field right in the middle of it. Did you call the school people to complain about that or do you just concentrate on the village board? You talk about selective enforcement. Do you apply selective responsibility? Probably. What happened? Did you lose an election or have a variance turned down? Sounds like it. I'm done. I have better things to do with my time and one of them is to speak directly to some of our elected officials in this community about things that I am unhappy with. I'm not going to put my concerns on a board and then tell other people to complain about them. I'm going to do it myself. Maybe you should try it.

Your attitude is your problem, I won't try to diagnose it, I really don't know you and I don't care if you solve it. You may not agree with what I say but refrain from the attcaks on my personality and my purpose, it allows your immaturity to show. This is not Nazi Germany or Iraq under Hussein everyone can have their say, you don't have to agree with it, no one cares if you do. Why do you think your opinion is more worthy? You are one of many who attribute the villages successes to the village governement where as I look at the economy and RE prices which in reality drive most of the prosperity we see in recent years. There are also many local organizations that make significant contibutions for the good of the village. I do not think everything is as rosy as people like you make it, but with the same people running the village and the cheerleadeing squad out there telling eveyone how great they are the status quo will continue. As I have said before I do not dislike the folks on the board but as long as the same people with the same ideas remain nothing will change. I am not "spreading venom" I am engaged in spirited, but intelligent debate (with others than you). I'm glad you feel so high and mighty about your ability to talk to some village officials about your problems.... sounds more like your a husband or wife of one of those in office or just another toadie. As you suggest I have some gripe over a decision that didn't go my way (which i don't) , maybe you are one of the many who had a sweetheart deal found in your favor, maybe a no bid contract, who knows maybe you have a job at the golf course? I guess we can agree on one thing, I find no solace in the school board either and am very happy both bonds were beat down, and that the County was told where they could put their money. I advocate term limits for all of these positions so that new people and ideas can flourish. The fact that I do not seek a potition at this time, myself, makes me no different than all those on the Better Bablyon party who have never run for office themselves, yet seek to influence the politics of our community through their cheerleading. Thank God your too busy to reply!!!!

OK. If you were in charge what issues would you change??? how would you do it??? and
what particular areas need restructuring or improvement? There are many good things that go on in the village and I think more positive than negative. I just would ask what are the things that you think need to be changed ect??? Thanks.

Purchase the large lot at the corner of Carl Ave and Park for public facilities. We have enough residential and multiple use projects. the Village needs space for their municipal services.[/quote]

I agree with the last statement above, I think that parcel would make a great centrally located park. Other local properties should also be purchased to increase our avialable open space. And in that vein one of the things I think would be beneficial is for some REAL long term planning and possibly zoning changes to severly limit any new multiple dwellings, and/or commercial space. I'd even consider rules requiring the conservation of some of our local architecture to prevent the razing of older homes to make space for more McMansions that keep popping up. To be frank I don't think we need one more strip mall, restraurant, pub, pizzaria, parking lot or condo unit. And all these changes would be made through an open process, well documented and publicised as part of public records that were both easily read and readily avaialable.

I think all of you should stop your bitching and put your best foot forward and if you has a concern get it up to the mayor's office. i am sure that he'll listen. Everyone in the village of babylon should count their blessings that the village is doing everything possible. give thanks you don't live in holtsville, brentwood, farmingville, or anywhere in nassau county.

Remember don't forget to vote tommorrow 3/20/07

I think all of you should stop your bitching and put your best foot forward and if you has a concern get it up to the mayor's office. i am sure that he'll listen. Everyone in the village of babylon should count their blessings that the village is doing everything possible. give thanks you don't live in holtsville, brentwood, farmingville, or anywhere in nassau county.

Remember don't forget to vote tommorrow 3/20/07

Well said...........................................

I think all of you should stop your bitching and put your best foot forward and if you has a concern get it up to the mayor's office. i am sure that he'll listen. Everyone in the village of babylon should count their blessings that the village is doing everything possible. give thanks you don't live in holtsville, brentwood, farmingville, or anywhere in nassau county.

Remember don't forget to vote tommorrow 3/20/07

Well said...........................................

As long as there are things to bitch about there will be bitching. To each their own, but not all of us agree that a "mayor listening" is all that we need. I'd be careful not to insult Nassau too much our little village is starting to look alot like some of theirs, with more bodegas and service employees. What exactly is the village doing everything possible to achieve? Create a restaurant for each resident or increase multiple dwellings to ensure enough potential Dining parties exist? Far as the vote, why bother, after all we don't really have a choice between "Better" and better, do we?

[PAULIE WALNUTS]

I think all of you should stop your bitching and put your best foot forward and if you has a concern get it up to the mayor's office. i am sure that he'll listen. Everyone in the village of babylon should count their blessings that the village is doing everything possible. give thanks you don't live in holtsville, brentwood, farmingville, or anywhere in nassau county.

Remember don't forget to vote tommorrow 3/20/07


I can barely afford to live here. Some jerkoff in a white rentacop car busts my nuts for my dog off the leash, but they can't keep the kiddies from busting into my searay. F*@K you guys, Village Gov't sucks. Boats on the lawn, cars in the street, second floor 34 feet high...no problem. WHAT? you're not one of the good guys??, F@(K you, we're sending the rentacops to summons your ass because my pancake flipping Lion buddy complained about your place. Village of Thomaston, Village of Williston Park..don't throw stones at Nassau. Some of those little villages have it a lot better than the Zagat Survey village we're in.

Yeah, they focus on giving tickets to residents but are very cautious about offending anyone on DPA thereby risking business for our merchants. If they are going to ticket residents they should focus on school drop off and pick up where their actions would actually benefit the saftey of our kids. But you never see them them in those areas. It's Ok for storefronts and businesses to leave snow and ice on their sidewalks or to block sidewalks with delivery trucks but don't let your grass grow too high or put your garbage out on the wrong day. Perfect examples of how the priorities are all screwed up.

Listen, there are definitely issues of selective enforcement, but let's call a spade a spade. This was a special use film permit, and they applied for all the inconveniences that were reviewed by the Village Board and attorney. So, why I think it's ludicrous that they allowed this sideshow to film right near our phenomenal libary, I'm sure that the hypothetical RV story would get some cooperation if they approached BV prior.

Oh, and election day is the 20th, why bother.........???

definitely issues of selective enforcement - you can say that again !!!

Bottom line is the village is trying to become a 90210 episode or more like our large neighbor to the west - NYC. This is in direct conflict with why many of us and our families settled here and decided to stay here. IMHO if you want the best retaurants, entertainment and you want to film a TV spot get on the LIRR for a 50 minute ride West. While I don't speak for everyone there are a large number of folks who remember a quieter, closer, less hectic village as a "better babylon". But that doesn't seem to be a concern to the board. Development and commerce marches along at an unstoppable pace. It could be that people don't speak up enough, or it could be that the board doesn't listen, maybe a combination of both.

I agree I won't bother on the 20th because my vote won't make a difference.

Of course your vote won't make a difference, but this is only because the candidates are running unopposed. This must stop and hopefully will not happen again. Ever!

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Don't get hysterical! Accept the fact that this is the new preferred method of communication and get over it.

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Your'e being quite obstinate.I have no reason to call and ask any questions.
The scenario I described was an illustartion of the way that the village caters to commerce , yet restricts and ignores residents. There are numerous examples of this that you might witness on a daily basis if you take off those rose colored glasses. I am not afraid of you or anyone at village hall I assure you. I, like you, simply am sharing my views anonymously. I do not want to offend anyone, you're less concerned with that. If you read carefully I have not suggetsed that any of the folks are bad people I actually like several of them. I don't like the way the vilage is run, and I wish others would challenge them. I am amzed by someone like you who assumes that because your own questions are answered, or someone in the village told you someting that you think YOU have facts. If I had a dime for every time I was given an "official" answer that turned out to be wrong or mistaken I could afford to eat in one of our famous restaurants. If you don't like what I write don't read it, but don't under any circumstance assume you know anything about me.



You have no reason to call and ask any questions??????? Then what are you doing!? You're spreading venom. If you're so concerned, do something. Another telling quote from you - "I don't like the way the village is run and I wish others would challenge them." - ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU CHALLENGE THEM. Grow up. Personally, I think you're afraid. I think you need to get a hobby, go out to a movie, or read a book. And if you believe in something, stand up for it. Don't expect others to do it for you. And by the way, if you think that things are not handled well with the village government, I think it would be fascinating to see what you think of the school government. Now there's an interesting bunch. I wonder how quiet and peaceful this place would have been if we had a "county" field right in the middle of it. Did you call the school people to complain about that or do you just concentrate on the village board? You talk about selective enforcement. Do you apply selective responsibility? Probably. What happened? Did you lose an election or have a variance turned down? Sounds like it. I'm done. I have better things to do with my time and one of them is to speak directly to some of our elected officials in this community about things that I am unhappy with. I'm not going to put my concerns on a board and then tell other people to complain about them. I'm going to do it myself. Maybe you should try it.

Wow you really are my hero.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

Here is a question for you. You live at the North end of S. Carll avenue. Your retired parents from out of town want to come visit in their RV. You'd like to let them park in front of your house for a few weeks while they visit. They won't need klieg lights, porta potties, or swarms of workers and their vehicles it will be just them. Do you think the Village will allow this? How soon do you think it will be before the Village tickets you or them if you try it? Well, take a look in that neighborhood today.


You said, "Do you think the Village will allow this?" Well, why don't you call the Village and ask? I did. I think you will be very surprised at the answer.

I'd be very surprised if they paid as much attention to residents concerns as they did to commercial concerns.



Don't wonder! CALL! What's the matter? Would you rather make decisions based on what you "think" and what you "heard" or would you rather make decisions based on facts? Just call! Or are you afraid to? No one says that you have to agree with everything or anything for that matter. However, base your decisions on facts - not what you think is the answer or someone else thinks is the answer. That's the problem in this community. EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. In actuality, everyone just "assumes" they know what is happening.

Your attitude suggests that you are an authority on Village issues yourself, if so you are part of the problem. I have had sufficient discourse with the village during my residency to make the statements I am making. They are based on personal experience (No I never asked for permission for my parents to park their RV in the street, but I don't have to) No one says that I have to agree with you either. I am very likely as informed as you are and probably better than the average resident. The problem with the community is that the village is not run openly, it never has been and that is what fosters all the rumours and "assumptions". You are clearly one the cheerleaders for the status quo and our unopposed officials. You probably think a lack of oppositon is a stamp of approval when in reality it's really just a statement that no one wants the job. Unfortunately, for those that think like you, that alone does not relinquish those that do seek office from their responsibility to the community.


Interesting.............hmmmmm.............and I get the impression that you're still not willing to call to ask the question. Yet, you suggested that other people find out the answer. Don't hide behind "I don't have to ask." What's the matter? Are you afraid that you might not like the answer? Are you afraid that you might be treated appropriately? You're the one who brought up the hypothetical question in the first place!!!!Fascinating! You say that your assumptions are based on "sufficient discourse and personal experience." Mine, too. And my experience tells me that you can get more accomplished by speaking out WITH FACTS AND PUTTING YOUR VIEWS AND INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR ALL TO ANALYZE AND POSSIBLY CRITICIZE. All of your rhetoric and "assumptions" are hysterical. If you knew me at all, you would know that I'm the last person to agree with status quo and I'm a cheerleader for no one. I'm not an authority on village business either. BUT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT ABOUT MYSELF. I bet you wouldn't admit that. I do, however, think that people like you cause all the trouble in this village. Instead of assuming things, go ask.........at a public meeting...........on the phone..............in a letter.............whatever!!! Just ask. Don't assume you know the answers. And if you don't like the answers that you get, complain. That's what I do. If I like something, fine. If not, I complain to the proper authorities - in person and in writing WITH MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER. I doubt that you do that. You're not strong enough and probably lack self-confidence in your views or information. By the way, I found your assumption that no one probably wants the job fascinating. Maybe it's because the pay is small, the hours are long, the criticism is high, and you have to deal with people who know EVERYTHING (go look in the mirror!) yet hide behind a computer!!!

Don't get hysterical! Accept the fact that this is the new preferred method of communication and get over it.

I don't know if it's accepted but it's here to stay and if I cared about what people were thinking in my community I'd read between the vulgaities and insults to see what is on their minds. It could be a valuable tool for those seeking office.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

You are correct and on the right track. The responders vulgarity speaks for itself. Based on the threatening tone obviously this individual does not believe in free speech and is probably a board member. Is this what one can expect when attending board meetings, to be intimidated and ganged up on because they have questions or disgree with another's point of view? There are many reasons why attendance at board meetings is minimal at best and this is one of them. You are right, attending board meetings is meaningless. At least hear you can express your opinion and speak your mind without fear of retaliation. I would encourage anyone and everyone to use this forum to defy any attempts to stifle free speech.

[Fearful]

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

You are correct and on the right track. The responders vulgarity speaks for itself. Based on the threatening tone obviously this individual does not believe in free speech and is probably a board member. Is this what one can expect when attending board meetings, to be intimidated and ganged up on because they have questions or disgree with another's point of view? There are many reasons why attendance at board meetings is minimal at best and this is one of them. You are right, attending board meetings is meaningless. At least hear you can express your opinion and speak your mind without fear of retaliation. I would encourage anyone and everyone to use this forum to defy any attempts to stifle free speech.





You are referring to a different board. The school board is the one that intimidates you and then you fear retaliation against your children. Have you been to one of their meetings? Talk about nasty!!!!

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

You are correct and on the right track. The responders vulgarity speaks for itself. Based on the threatening tone obviously this individual does not believe in free speech and is probably a board member. Is this what one can expect when attending board meetings, to be intimidated and ganged up on because they have questions or disgree with another's point of view? There are many reasons why attendance at board meetings is minimal at best and this is one of them. You are right, attending board meetings is meaningless. At least hear you can express your opinion and speak your mind without fear of retaliation. I would encourage anyone and everyone to use this forum to defy any attempts to stifle free speech.





You are referring to a different board. The school board is the one that intimidates you and then you fear retaliation against your children. Have you been to one of their meetings? Talk about nasty!!!!

None of the boards are any different, it's the same elitist attitude that those on the board know better. They listen more to their cliques than they do to the public and the incumbents are rarely challenged.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

You are correct and on the right track. The responders vulgarity speaks for itself. Based on the threatening tone obviously this individual does not believe in free speech and is probably a board member. Is this what one can expect when attending board meetings, to be intimidated and ganged up on because they have questions or disgree with another's point of view? There are many reasons why attendance at board meetings is minimal at best and this is one of them. You are right, attending board meetings is meaningless. At least hear you can express your opinion and speak your mind without fear of retaliation. I would encourage anyone and everyone to use this forum to defy any attempts to stifle free speech.





You are referring to a different board. The school board is the one that intimidates you and then you fear retaliation against your children. Have you been to one of their meetings? Talk about nasty!!!!

None of the boards are any different, it's the same elitist attitude that those on the board know better. They listen more to their cliques than they do to the public and the incumbents are rarely challenged.
Then it is time for the public to challenge all incumbents on all boards. Stand together and be heard. They will listen to the number of voters it takes to oust them (less than you think). Or better yet let's just vote them out of office. Voter imposed term limits are always the most effectiven way to end one party or clique rule.

OK. If you were in charge what issues would you change??? how would you do it??? and
what particular areas need restructuring or improvement? There are many good things that go on in the village and I think more positive than negative. I just would ask what are the things that you think need to be changed ect??? Thanks.

Purchase the large lot at the corner of Carl Ave and Park for public facilities. We have enough residential and multiple use projects. the Village needs space for their municipal services.[/quote]

From the flyers I got in my mailbox this weekend it seems like Village workers want more than space for municipal services !!! Most of them seem to do a great job. Maybe a commercial tax should be initiated to cover salary increases for the ever increasing job responsibilities they have in the business district and in the all the multiple dwelling developments. And if they work in unsafe conditions as they say, they should simply call OSHA, that would likely light a fire in the right place.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?

school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????Hey a$$hole did you ever hear of public hearings. Everything you mentioned there was a public hearing. take your sorry ass away from the computer once in a while and you would see whats going and have a little input

Here we go again with the small minded cheerleaders who think you go to a meeting and get answers..... been there done that. Have you? Evidently not. Nothing happens at the meetings school, village or library for that matter. The way things are done in the village is that the "in crowd " gets together before or after the meetings and then stacks those meetings when an issue to their liking or disliking comes up. So don't give me your nonsense about showing up at meetings I have, I do, and it means diddly squat. If you knew what you were talking about or had the decency to be honest you wouldn't hide behind the claim that eberything is on the up and up and it's the communities fault for not showing up at meetings. Stick your head back into that hole before you call me names, your evidently a happy go lucky jerk that believes everyhting is wonderful because after all that's what the "local paper says...."

You are correct and on the right track. The responders vulgarity speaks for itself. Based on the threatening tone obviously this individual does not believe in free speech and is probably a board member. Is this what one can expect when attending board meetings, to be intimidated and ganged up on because they have questions or disgree with another's point of view? There are many reasons why attendance at board meetings is minimal at best and this is one of them. You are right, attending board meetings is meaningless. At least hear you can express your opinion and speak your mind without fear of retaliation. I would encourage anyone and everyone to use this forum to defy any attempts to stifle free speech.

Just wait until Suffolk Life and the Beacon pick up a sniff of this.... it won't need further encouragement.

[govt for special interest]

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web site for the contributions.

[special interest group]

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !

[special interest group]

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.

Well I stand corrected, I was not aware of this but will look into it. I was thinking of public campaigns. Now that I think of it, even the village board through the auspices of their better babylon party sends out flyers ,etc... hence a campaign. So if you look into who the contributors are you can simply follow the money... where have I heard that before???

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.

Well I stand corrected, I was not aware of this but will look into it. I was thinking of public campaigns. Now that I think of it, even the village board through the auspices of their better babylon party sends out flyers ,etc... hence a campaign. So if you look into who the contributors are you can simply follow the money... where have I heard that before???

There is a wealth of information here - http://www.nyssba.org/scriptcontent/index.cfm

Board members must declare campaign conributions above $500 to the district clerk since l;egislation passed in 2004.

If the unions want to send out flyers of their own I'm not sure how you can stop that. I would love to see a flyer paid for by a teachers union that was endorsing a school board trustee or a position on a bond referendum. I'd simply make hundreds of copies and hand them out at the following school board meeting and every time the teachers unioan asks for a raise. That might stop them from future mailings.

As far as the teachers walking the kids to vote, I find several problems with this rumour. First not all kids vote at the same polling place so It's not like a whole class would go together. Second if the kid can vote he/she's 18 and doesn't need to be walked anywhere. In fact I know of few 18 year olds that would willingly walk anywhere with a teacher. At 18 you would hope the kids are smart enough to know if they're being influenced, and this is really the parents responsibility. If I knew it to be true I'd bring it up at the board meeting asking them to prohibit the policy as it stinks of cooercion.

This thread should really be over on the school board page, the VOB is getting off easy now that you've changed the subject.

How about the village employees picketing at the VOBoard mtg. last night??? They say they are underpaid and forced to work in unsafe conditions. And I thought everything in Babylon was just beautiful with the flower baskets and lamp posts and all. Seems maybe not everyone benefits from the affluence the Village now flaunts. They're certainly not compensated like our teachers or school administarators!!!

I'd just like to get ALL my garbage picked up, not half of it...
Picketing indeed.

I'd just like to get ALL my garbage picked up, not half of it...
Picketing indeed.

Well at least by showing up in a group it is less likely they will be bullied or intimidated as is the usual MO. Anyone attending a board meeting with something to say should not attend alone. In fact the larger the group the better.

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.

Well I stand corrected, I was not aware of this but will look into it. I was thinking of public campaigns. Now that I think of it, even the village board through the auspices of their better babylon party sends out flyers ,etc... hence a campaign. So if you look into who the contributors are you can simply follow the money... where have I heard that before???

There is a wealth of information here - http://www.nyssba.org/scriptcontent/index.cfm

Board members must declare campaign conributions above $500 to the district clerk since l;egislation passed in 2004.

If the unions want to send out flyers of their own I'm not sure how you can stop that. I would love to see a flyer paid for by a teachers union that was endorsing a school board trustee or a position on a bond referendum. I'd simply make hundreds of copies and hand them out at the following school board meeting and every time the teachers unioan asks for a raise. That might stop them from future mailings.

As far as the teachers walking the kids to vote, I find several problems with this rumour. First not all kids vote at the same polling place so It's not like a whole class would go together. Second if the kid can vote he/she's 18 and doesn't need to be walked anywhere. In fact I know of few 18 year olds that would willingly walk anywhere with a teacher. At 18 you would hope the kids are smart enough to know if they're being influenced, and this is really the parents responsibility. If I knew it to be true I'd bring it up at the board meeting asking them to prohibit the policy as it stinks of cooercion.

This thread should really be over on the school board page, the VOB is getting off easy now that you've changed the subject.

How about the village employees picketing at the VOBoard mtg. last night??? They say they are underpaid and forced to work in unsafe conditions. And I thought everything in Babylon was just beautiful with the flower baskets and lamp posts and all. Seems maybe not everyone benefits from the affluence the Village now flaunts. They're certainly not compensated like our teachers or school administarators!!!

Let's not change the subject and let the VOB off easy. Keep school board threads on the schooloard page. Also try to start new threads whenever possible rather than attachments to existing threads (like this one, soory).

[special interest group]

Take it from me, you want to know why going to town/village board meetings doesn't accomplish a thing for the average citizen ?

Check the campaign contribution list of your elected officials, thats a strong indicator of why you have no democracy. It's only the contributions we know about but it's at least a start. Check the BOE web 9999999999999999 for the contributions.

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns !


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.

Well I stand corrected, I was not aware of this but will look into it. I was thinking of public campaigns. Now that I think of it, even the village board through the auspices of their better babylon party sends out flyers ,etc... hence a campaign. So if you look into who the contributors are you can simply follow the money... where have I heard that before???

There is a wealth of information here - http://www.nyssba.org/scriptcontent/index.cfm

Board members must declare campaign conributions above $500 to the district clerk since l;egislation passed in 2004.

If the unions want to send out flyers of their own I'm not sure how you can stop that. I would love to see a flyer paid for by a teachers union that was endorsing a school board trustee or a position on a bond referendum. I'd simply make hundreds of copies and hand them out at the following school board meeting and every time the teachers unioan asks for a raise. That might stop them from future mailings.

As far as the teachers walking the kids to vote, I find several problems with this rumour. First not all kids vote at the same polling place so It's not like a whole class would go together. Second if the kid can vote he/she's 18 and doesn't need to be walked anywhere. In fact I know of few 18 year olds that would willingly walk anywhere with a teacher. At 18 you would hope the kids are smart enough to know if they're being influenced, and this is really the parents responsibility. If I knew it to be true I'd bring it up at the board meeting asking them to prohibit the policy as it stinks of cooercion.

This thread should really be over on the school board page, the VOB is getting off easy now that you've changed the subject.

How about the village employees picketing at the VOBoard mtg. last night??? They say they are underpaid and forced to work in unsafe conditions. And I thought everything in Babylon was just beautiful with the flower baskets and lamp posts and all. Seems maybe not everyone benefits from the affluence the Village now flaunts. They're certainly not compensated like our teachers or school administarators!!!

Let's not change the subject and let the VOB off easy. Keep school board threads on the schooloard page. Also try to start new threads whenever possible rather than attachments to existing threads (like this one, soory).

Just a point of info...........and then you can get back to your discussions...................the polling places for village, town, county, state, and federal are all over the village. School votes, however, are all in the same place. Everyone votes in one place - the Memorial Grade School.

I'd just like to get ALL my garbage picked up, not half of it...
Picketing indeed.

Well at least by showing up in a group it is less likely they will be bullied or intimidated as is the usual MO. Anyone attending a board meeting with something to say should not attend alone. In fact the larger the group the better.Well i was curious and went to the village board meeting on tues. and there was about 60 to 70 people there and with all the brew ha about the village employees being treated unfair and bullied not one person spoke up about it not one. so i think the employee's are just unhappy that they are not getting the world. the workers should be so concerned about picking up my garbage instead of missing it and then going home at 10:00 am and i got my garbage for another two days after calling the highway office. i feel sorry for that poor girl that has to take all the abuse from pissed off people with there garbage..

I'd just like to get ALL my garbage picked up, not half of it...
Picketing indeed.

Well at least by showing up in a group it is less likely they will be bullied or intimidated as is the usual MO. Anyone attending a board meeting with something to say should not attend alone. In fact the larger the group the better.
Well i was curious and went to the village board meeting on tues. and there was about 60 to 70 people there and with all the brew ha about the village employees being treated unfair and bullied not one person spoke up about it not one. so i think the employee's are just unhappy that they are not getting the world. the workers should be so concerned about picking up my garbage instead of missing it and then going home at 10:00 am and i got my garbage for another two days after calling the highway office. i feel sorry for that poor girl that has to take all the abuse from pissed off people with there garbage..

Hey they miss my garbage cans every now and then too and it drives me cazy when they leave the blue cans in the middle of the street, but I doubt they want "the world". I'm not sure where we even find people to do this work you certainly can't live here on their wages. Hey and that lady that takes the calls probably feels the same way they do. I don't think the employees were there to address the board they have a union for that. They just wanted to show that not everything is as wonderful as it looks.

Why won't the VOB Board give contract negotiators salary information?? What are they trying to hide?? Does anyone Know?? This has the potential to be a huge bomb waiting to explode! Stay posted.

To the guy who went to the meeting, I have seen the same situation at many board meetings. Let me ask a question why do you think people the 60-70 in your case don't speak up? Do you see it as a statement on everyone's contentment or is it possible that the forum of these meetings and the folks running them seem less then approachable ? No one wants to look like a fool in public and unfortunately that is how they are often made to look when questions are asked. It is the elected folks who need to make these firums more open so that peopel feel comfortable speaking.

To the guy who went to the meeting, I have seen the same situation at many board meetings. Let me ask a question why do you think people the 60-70 in your case don't speak up? Do you see it as a statement on everyone's contentment or is it possible that the forum of these meetings and the folks running them seem less then approachable ? No one wants to look like a fool in public and unfortunately that is how they are often made to look when questions are asked. It is the elected folks who need to make these firums more open so that peopel feel comfortable speaking.I understand your point but how much more open can you get when the board asks if anyone has anything to ask or bring up and not one person has anything to say about the issue or any other issues i think most of us went there out of curiosity. but some one that was there to argue the fact about the contract should have spoke up. that was the time to do it.

To the guy who went to the meeting, I have seen the same situation at many board meetings. Let me ask a question why do you think people the 60-70 in your case don't speak up? Do you see it as a statement on everyone's contentment or is it possible that the forum of these meetings and the folks running them seem less then approachable ? No one wants to look like a fool in public and unfortunately that is how they are often made to look when questions are asked. It is the elected folks who need to make these firums more open so that peopel feel comfortable speaking.I understand your point but how much more open can you get when the board asks if anyone has anything to ask or bring up and not one person has anything to say about the issue or any other issues i think most of us went there out of curiosity. but some one that was there to argue the fact about the contract should have spoke up. that was the time to do it.

Yeah the public needs to go on the attack and put them on the defensive for a chnage.

I think the board could make efforts to make the meetings more self explanatory and welcoming which would increase participation. It would be a start if they listed the agendas for each meeting with palin english details of topics. I think they've started to put these on their website, good start. Now explain the agenda in laymen's terms. Who knows maybe next they'll treat questions and contrary opions with respect rather than hostility and people will start to attend.

BOND RESOLUTION, DATED MARCH 27, 2007, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF UP TO $550,000 AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT SERIAL BONDS OF THE VILLAGE OF BABYLON, COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, STATE OF NEW YORK, PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL FINANCE LAW, TO FINANCE THE COSTS OF THE ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF PARKING IMPROVEMENTS IN AND FOR THE VILLAGE.

WHEREAS, the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon (the “Village”), a municipal corporation of the State of New York, located in the County of Suffolk, hereby determines that it is in the public interest of the Village to authorize the financing of the costs of and construction of parking improvements in and for the Village, including the acquisition of any applicable equipment, machinery, apparatus, land or rights-in-land necessary therefor and any preliminary and incidental costs related thereto, at a total estimated cost not to exceed $550,000, all in accordance with the Local Finance Law;


NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE VILLAGE OF BABYLON, COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, STATE OF NEW YORK, AS FOLLOWS:

Section 1. There is hereby authorized to be issued serial bonds of the Village, and/or bond anticipation notes issued in anticipation of the issuance of such serial bonds, in the aggregate principal amount not to exceed $550,000, pursuant to the Local Finance Law, in order to finance the costs of the acquisition and construction of parking improvements in and for the Village, including the acquisition of any applicable equipment, machinery, apparatus, land or rights-in-land necessary therefor and any preliminary and incidental costs related thereto (collectively, the “Project”).

Does anyone know what this is about??? Could it be the Racanelli parcel??

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project.

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES

[Shocked!]

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEESI can't beleive that that's all they get paid I was also under the impression that they got alot more than that. with all the headaches that go with those jobs you got to be out of your mind to do it. they should be getting a lot more than that. I guess thats one reason why our village taxes are always kept low. I would still like to have my garbage picked up when it's supose to be picked up.

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

Seems like alot for attending two board meetings a month. I'm sure your 18 year old works a heck of a lot more than a few hours a month.

[Shocked!]

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

Seems like alot for attending two board meetings a month. I'm sure your 18 year old works a heck of a lot more than a few hours a month.


Are you kidding?! Most of them (mayor and trustees) work full days. I have a good idea. Call and ask how many hours a week they work. I have a better idea. Ask some people in the community if they have ever met with a trustee or mayor to discuss an issue. Or if they have ever gone to someone's home if there is a problem. I have an even better idea. Ask the secretary for the mayor's calendar. Or make an appointment to meet with one of them. You'll see that they are there for a lot more than just 2 meetings a month. If that were the case, plenty of people would want the job. Give it a shot. I know because I met with the Mayor and one of the trustees AND IT WAS A HOLIDAY!!! No time and a half for them!

[Babylon Pay Scale]

How much do the Trustees and Mayor make and the head of PW?

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEESI can't beleive that that's all they get paid I was also under the impression that they got alot more than that. with all the headaches that go with those jobs you got to be out of your mind to do it. they should be getting a lot more than that. I guess thats one reason why our village taxes are always kept low. I would still like to have my garbage picked up when it's supose to be picked up.

$15,000 a year, a new car, and free gas? You should tell the Mayor to come and pick up your garbage.

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

Seems like alot for attending two board meetings a month. I'm sure your 18 year old works a heck of a lot more than a few hours a month.


Are you kidding?! Most of them (mayor and trustees) work full days. I have a good idea. Call and ask how many hours a week they work. I have a better idea. Ask some people in the community if they have ever met with a trustee or mayor to discuss an issue. Or if they have ever gone to someone's home if there is a problem. I have an even better idea. Ask the secretary for the mayor's calendar. Or make an appointment to meet with one of them. You'll see that they are there for a lot more than just 2 meetings a month. If that were the case, plenty of people would want the job. Give it a shot. I know because I met with the Mayor and one of the trustees AND IT WAS A HOLIDAY!!! No time and a half for them!
Two questions, 1) how much did they pay you to say that? 2) what color is your nose? Also, I bet if one of the board members stopped short you would go right up their ass.

[MRS JARWITZ]

The Board of Ed. (BOE) members have all had their campaigns paid for by the teachers.[/quote]

What campaigns are you talking about , there are no campaigns ![/quote]


I guess you aren't part of their group!!!! They mail out thousands of campaign pieces to members of different unions. My friend got 4 campaign pieces from them saying to vote yes for the bond referendum!!! He was so angry that he started calling everyone and telling them to vote no. That's when he told us that he gets campaign literature from them every year telling him who to vote for. That really didn't bother him but the bond thing was another story. Every single person on that board was backed by the teacher union. THE TEACHERS EVEN TAKE THE OLDER KIDS OVER TO VOTE AND "ENCOURAGE" THEM ON THE WAY. Maybe that's why the accountability is low. Lots of good teachers---------but when there is a bad one..................nothing is done. Shame. When it comes to the kids.....................there is much more at stake here than money.[/quote]

Well I stand corrected, I was not aware of this but will look into it. I was thinking of public campaigns. Now that I think of it, even the village board through the auspices of their better babylon party sends out flyers ,etc... hence a campaign. So if you look into who the contributors are you can simply follow the money... where have I heard that before???[/quote]

There is a wealth of information here - http://www.nyssba.org/scriptcontent/index.cfm

Board members must declare campaign conributions above $500 to the district clerk since l;egislation passed in 2004.

If the unions want to send out flyers of their own I'm not sure how you can stop that. I would love to see a flyer paid for by a teachers union that was endorsing a school board trustee or a position on a bond referendum. I'd simply make hundreds of copies and hand them out at the following school board meeting and every time the teachers unioan asks for a raise. That might stop them from future mailings.

As far as the teachers walking the kids to vote, I find several problems with this rumour. First not all kids vote at the same polling place so It's not like a whole class would go together. Second if the kid can vote he/she's 18 and doesn't need to be walked anywhere. In fact I know of few 18 year olds that would willingly walk anywhere with a teacher. At 18 you would hope the kids are smart enough to know if they're being influenced, and this is really the parents responsibility. If I knew it to be true I'd bring it up at the board meeting asking them to prohibit the policy as it stinks of cooercion.

This thread should really be over on the school board page, the VOB is getting off easy now that you've changed the subject.

How about the village employees picketing at the VOBoard mtg. last night??? They say they are underpaid and forced to work in unsafe conditions. And I thought everything in Babylon was just beautiful with the flower baskets and lamp posts and all. Seems maybe not everyone benefits from the affluence the Village now flaunts. They're certainly not compensated like our teachers or school administarators!!![/quote]





YOU HAVE IT WRONG. THE ONLY PLACE TO VOTE IN A SCHOOL ELECTION IS THE GRADE SCHOOL LIBRARY. THE KIDS DO GET MARCHED DOWN THERE. THEY ALSO CONVENIENTLY SCHEDULE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATIONS, BAKE SALES, AND GRANDPARENTS DAYS DURING VOTES TO SUCK THE PEOPLE IN.

There is no reason kids that old enough to vote need to be walked anywhere and it's the equivalent of stuffing the ballot box. This issue should be brought to the attention of the School board and they should state a policy that no teachers are allowed to escort the children to a polling place, it's a clear conflict of interset and an education in everything that is wrong with politics. The polls are open before and after school hours there is no need at all for them to vote while they should be in school. This is completely diffrent from Seniors or any other political organization from mobilizing folks to vote. Teachers should encourage kids to vote but if they're caught influencing their choices they should be fired.

Who's kidding who? If the Mayor and Trustees had such a hard job do they think they'd keep coming back for more? I don't doubt that they try their best and have good intentions but let's not recommend them for Sainthood just yet. They do it because they want to, they want the influence, the recognition and the popularity. Like all politicians its an ego thing. None of them relies on 5 or 10K a year to live here, you could reduce the stipend to $0 and they'd all still be back for more.

[Popularity?]

Who's kidding who? If the Mayor and Trustees had such a hard job do they think they'd keep coming back for more? I don't doubt that they try their best and have good intentions but let's not recommend them for Sainthood just yet. They do it because they want to, they want the influence, the recognition and the popularity. Like all politicians its an ego thing. None of them relies on 5 or 10K a year to live here, you could reduce the stipend to $0 and they'd all still be back for more.


Who are you kidding? Popularity? Don't you mean being a punching bag?

Who's kidding who? If the Mayor and Trustees had such a hard job do they think they'd keep coming back for more? I don't doubt that they try their best and have good intentions but let's not recommend them for Sainthood just yet. They do it because they want to, they want the influence, the recognition and the popularity. Like all politicians its an ego thing. None of them relies on 5 or 10K a year to live here, you could reduce the stipend to $0 and they'd all still be back for more.


Who are you kidding? Popularity? Don't you mean being a punching bag?

Hey it goes with the territory, like I said if the job was so tough they wouldn't run next time. They get plenty of kudos for the good they do, and they deserve it, but they also deserve to be told about the things that bother people and when people disagree with their actions. I guarantee if you reduced their pay eveyone of them would be back regardless, and if they want an increase maybe IT SHOULD be tied to term limits as someone previously suggested.

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

They are asking for a raise. they make 10K and 5K now and are asking for 30% and 50% raises respectively. I'm sure if you offered the village workers just a 10% raise they'd be very happy.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

That would be convenient so all the restaurants could find dishwashers quicker.

[raises]

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

They are asking for a raise. they make 10K and 5K now and are asking for 30% and 50% raises respectively. I'm sure if you offered the village workers just a 10% raise they'd be very happy.



I asked a trustee about their raises. I was told that the last time the mayor or trustees got a raise was in 1987. Yes, 20 years ago. The village workers have been getting raises for the past 20 years. Things are never quite the way you think they are, are they?

Awhile back someone asked what the mayor and trustees get paid, publis info. below. Mayor also gets a vehicle and gas to be thorough. Questions ???? Go ask for your copy of the budget.

PLEASE BE ADVISED the Board of Trustees of the Village of Babylon will hold a public hearing on Tuesday April 10, 2007 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 153 West Main Street, Babylon, New York, to take and hear comments relating to the tentative budget for the fiscal year 2007-2008. Immediately following the Budget Hearing, the Annual Organizational Meeting will be held.

A copy of the tentative budget will be available in the Office of the Village Clerk as of Wednesday March 28, 2007 where it may be inspected by any interested party during the business hours of 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday.

The compensation proposed in said budget for the Mayor is $15,000 per year and $7,500 per year for each Trustee.

BY ORDER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES



Is that all they make? I thought it was a lot higher. I'm sure the sanitation workers make a hell of a lot more than that and they're done at 10:00am! My 18 year old makes more than that at his job. I'm done complaining about the village board. I thought they were compensated like the Town. They should ask for a raise.

They are asking for a raise. they make 10K and 5K now and are asking for 30% and 50% raises respectively. I'm sure if you offered the village workers just a 10% raise they'd be very happy.



I asked a trustee about their raises. I was told that the last time the mayor or trustees got a raise was in 1987. Yes, 20 years ago. The village workers have been getting raises for the past 20 years. Things are never quite the way you think they are, are they?

So what ? Why give them an increase? They don't do it for the money and everyone of them will be back regardless. I believe the board can all afford to live in the Village and have nice homes, do you think the Village workers have the same capability? Things are pretty much as I thought.

Who's kidding who? If the Mayor and Trustees had such a hard job do they think they'd keep coming back for more? I don't doubt that they try their best and have good intentions but let's not recommend them for Sainthood just yet. They do it because they want to, they want the influence, the recognition and the popularity. Like all politicians its an ego thing. None of them relies on 5 or 10K a year to live here, you could reduce the stipend to $0 and they'd all still be back for more.

You forgot Power and the bully factor.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.That's what I love about you suckers you believe everything crazy people put in this rag

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.That's what I love about you suckers you believe everything crazy people put in this rag

Some people believe everything others don't. I wouldn't worry about a day laborer site in Babylon any time soon, but I would worry about buying the Babylon Banana property. Not that it's a bad idea but when you think that it could have been purchaesd for a song after the fire $550M is a bit steep. Ok that ones under the bridge so to speak but what about multiple other properties for example this one in question - the village could use it for so many purposes other than a day laborers site. Do we need more condos?
I think not.

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.That's what I love about you suckers you believe everything crazy people put in this rag

If it is such a rag, what are you doing here sucker?

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.That's what I love about you suckers you believe everything crazy people put in this rag

If it is such a rag, what are you doing here sucker? because of sukers like you

[senor senoras]

its coming

we need a place to gather we work hard

we need place to live

Palmeri already there in babylon vollaghe let us stay with Him

he support us he support slumlords

me have real good vibes in babylon :D adios an muchos gracias

What is everyone's opinion -

development of old Little Flower into condo's?

development of KofC into multiple dwellings?

re-developement of Barbizon into a drive through bank branch?

possibly same for opposite corner GPI Bldg.?

adding lights to existing footbal field?


school bonds to fund repairs and maintenance?

development of office bldg. on old Babylon Banana?

2 term limits for all local board seats?

installation of cell phone tower at East end end of N. RR avenue?

improvement plan for all schol fields?

If some dummy like me can put together a quick list of topics that require public input why can't all the local boards be as open and interested in doing so????

So does anyone have opinions on the above? It won't be scientific but at least we could have an informal poll.

You forgot one - the senior citizens codos going where the old kenwood knitting mills (Paper Plus) across from Salvation Army. I can't imagine anyone buying a new condo across the street from Sal. Army but curiously, no one has mentioned anything about that being part of the project. would,nt be great if they turned the old little flower property into a Day Laborer Center I am sure all you complainers would have something to say.

Why do we need a Day Laborer Center in Babylon Village. Is it true that this is going to happen? What have you heard? Are they trying to hide this and then spring it on us at the last minute like everything else. I am very concerned about this.That's what I love about you suckers you believe everything crazy people put in this rag

Some people believe everything others don't. I wouldn't worry about a day laborer 9999999999999999 in Babylon any time soon, but I would worry about buying the Babylon Banana property. Not that it's a bad idea but when you think that it could have been purchaesd for a song after the fire $550M is a bit steep. Ok that ones under the bridge so to speak but what about multiple other properties for example this one in question - the village could use it for so many purposes other than a day laborers 9999999999999999. Do we need more condos?
I think not.no i think we should put tents in for the day laborers