SCPC fake cop lawsuit

[LOL]

Anyone know the status of the legal battle that Suffolk County Police Conference has initiated against towns and villages for using peace officer as cops under the guise of constables and code enforcement officers?
The article "Fake Cops" in the last issue of SCPC Newsletter seems to be the first step in a campaign to stop towns and villages from using peace officers as cops.
Have any lawsuits been brought against places such as Westhampton Dunes Police Constables for writing tickets? Is it even legal for them identify themselves as Police Constables?
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[Broken Record]

Just shut the F*ck up already. Go belly ache on another site. Nobody cares anymore.

[LHPD]

I care this is a very important issue in Suffolk County, glad someone is finally addressing it.

I am glad that the Conference has finally taken a stand on this, go get them Buster!

[Islip Resident]

its about time, can you explain what it is about, since many of us arent cops, but back such a move?

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[tierhack3]

There he goes again.....jealous that peace officers are doing more police work than he is....(cabbie) .go look up peace officer in your NYS Criminal Procedure Law.... then go kill yourself

[yawn]

Slow night in the jail I guess.
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[Roger That]

hes already finished with juan/juanita, could'nt hold his stuff, now hes got hours to kill, of course juanita lasted a whole lot longer in his ugly mouth

[PeaceOfficer]

Oh no. Please don't encourage the poster known as 'lol' to ramble on again. Is no thread safe from this guy? Facts to him are like bottlecaps- twisted and discarded.

Please get your info from a reputable source.

[Islip Resident]

I looked in the CPL, and I guess you're right. I am a complete idiot. I'm so embarassed. I admit, I'm a secutiy guard in the Smithaven Mall. I will never post again. Good-bye to all!
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[Islip Resident]

the smithhaven mall guys definitely outwork you empty suits, and arent nearly as slobbish, amazing how you cry about your wages, but none of you can recognize your own toes, its been so long since you seen them.
i hope the mall guys are better paid, now theres a job you can aspire to have one day
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[Jones187]

Is the SCPC actuauly doing something for cops? I mean lets look at there track record on the part time issue. John Charters sold cops out so he could work as a detective in his Quartermaster section.

I hope this board does a lot better at stopping all these peace officers from acting as cops.

Ever been stopped by some of these clowns? Someone is going to get hurt.

No authority, no training, no sense.

[Iknowitall]

Wow, you are pretty smart guy....Take a spelling lesson, it's their, not there...What peace officer stopped you ? Not all of them are dummies like you !!

[uidiot]

Look another peace officer who could not make it to be a police officer trying to be witty.

If your best reply to that guy's remark was about grammar I can see why you are not smart enough to be a cop.

By the way you genius that is not a spelling error it is an error in grammar. Try to know what you are talking about before you continue to make an ass of yourself.

[Ditto Head]

First of all, the premis of your argument is wrong. Belle Terre, Patchougue, Westhampton Dunnes, Port Jeff, et all... ARE NOT PEACE OFFICERS. The villages may say they are, they may say they are, but New York State and Suffolk County say NO!!! They are not listed in the state's peace officer registry. They DO NOT have Suffolk County Civil Service status as peace officers. Therefore it safe to conclude that they are in fact NOT peace officers and CANNOT enforce the V&T and pretend to be the police. Hence the lawsuit filed in Federal court against Patchougue.

[uidiot]

Ditto, I sure hope you are not a cop or a lawyer. If you were you would know that the municipalities that you mention do have the right to make peace officers.
CPL section 2.10 sub "1. Constables or police constables of a town or village provided such designation is not inconsistent with local law."

The lawsuit you mention states that local law prohibits using peace officers to do police work, not that they are not peace officers. Further Suffolk County Civil Service does not decide who is and who is not a police officer or peace officer. They decide who can do what jobs.

The Suffolk County Charter prohibits the use of peace officers acting in a police officer fashion in Suffolk County. In 1960 when the charter was amended to create the SCPD it allowed for only SC Deputy Sheriff's, SCPC, SC Park Rangers and Town and Villages to have police officers. In the 70's that was changed to reduce the powers of Park Rangers to peace officers. A few years ago the county did away with the title of Park Ranger and created the position of Park Police Officer.

Plus when Park Rangers were only peace officers they need special authorization to enforce the V&T law, issue appearance tickets, and so on. A normal peace officer cannot do those things. Don't take my word read CPL section 2.10 sub 9.

The County has never allowed Towns and Villages to use peace officers as cops. That is one of the factors that prohibit Town rangers and code enforcement from being issued weapons.

The County understands the reasoning to use police officers to do police work and leave the more menial jobs that don't require police officers to that of peace officers. I mean take a look at who is considered a peace officer in this state it is a joke just about everyone is.

[Ditto Head]

Old Field, Bellle Terre, Patchougue and Port Jeff all run around with guns. They are basically security guards with guns. Most of them have to carry on a security guard permit. Only those that are off duty/retired MOS do not.
Civil service has a lot to say as to who is and who isn't a peace officer. When one takes a civil service test, which are not required for these villages, the job is defined.
New York state has a peace officer registry. If your job isn't in it, you aren't a peace officer.
The villages that are mentioned above are violating the county charter as far as western Suffolk is concerned. That is why it is "inconsistent with local law" for these villages to have constables and call them peace officers.
Please explain to me what menial jobs thay are doing that save the county police time. I can't think of one.

[4Fun]

The villages you mention are all trained by the County. The Sheriff teaches the peace officer course for Suffolk. SCPD issues the pistol licenses for most of those employees.

I would say the County sure does allow peace officers to do those jobs.

What registary are you talking about? The CPL is what determines who is a peace officer and who is a police officer.

John Charters sold cops out so he could work as a detective in his Quartermaster section.

From what I'm told, some of the heavier criminal investigation are being conducted at the Quartermaster Section. IMO they made the right choice in placing JC there.

[Ditto Head]

"The villages you mention are all trained by the County. The Sheriff teaches the peace officer course for Suffolk. SCPD issues the pistol licenses for most of those employees."

Let me put it to you this way, the peace officer course run by the Sheriff is 3 weeks long. Any municipality can send an employee there but it DOES NOT make them a peace officer. The Suffolk County Police issue ALL pistol permits for western Suffolk and the the Sheriff handles eastern Suffolk. These village constables are not peace officers because they carry guns, they carry with a security guard permit.

[WHOCARES?]

WHOCARES?? dont you people have anything better to do? They do a job...get a paycheck... MOVE ON!

[Ditto Head]

You should care!! Does their "job" violate other people's civil rights when they are illegally stopped by someone pretending to be a peace officer illegally enforcing the V&T? It sure does.

[civil rights?]

this is police issues not civil rights. no one cares!

[SR71 Blackbird2]

I have a question that is on topic.
How do the " Town of Islip Harbor Police"
get away with calling themselves POLICE, and the word Police painted on every vehicle and Boat??
Big Al "L", calls himself a Police officer.

[NobodyCares]

And again I say, WHOCARES... Pay the ticket!

[better yet,]

They have VILLAGE,COUNTY issues, pick 1 go there, bye.

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