new rumor

[scpd patrol]

I heard a rumor that the Dept was going down to 1 PO on the desk and having 2 civilians work up there too. Can anyone confirm this? Not a good move in my opinion.
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[deuce]

Thats news to me, but the civilians on the desk are getting "new" uniforms, dark blue pants and a light blue shirt (the same light blue Marine Bureau used to wear). Trying to make them look more like.........
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[pacman]

While this might look good to the numbers cruchers, this move would be very short-sighted. Civilians are not trained in any aspects of the penal law, nor are they trained in investigative & interviewing techniques, so how can they take a report? Also, what happens if someone comes into the precinct with a warrant or some kind of emergency (both of which have happened to me)? There is alot that needs to be done on the desk the civilains can't do and asking 1 cop would be too burdensome. going with less than two cops on the desk is dangerous for us and the public we service
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[wtp285]

Although we have a PO and a Sgt. working the desk in the city, we also have civilian PAA's working in the complaint room. Unless it is something extraordinary they take all walk in complaints and fill out the reports. Warrants and the like are handed over to the PO assisting the desk officer or the poor guy on the telephone/switchboard. Not perfect, but it usually works. At any given time, however, there are usually a number of PO's in the house on meal, personal etc. that the desk officer can grab and shanghai into doing whatever is necessary.

[City this]

What we don't need here is what the city does!!! We want the best! if that means a cop in the station house do it!!! I don't want a PAA or who ever . It's like going to the doctor and just seein the receptionist. WE want to talk to cops or sergeants to feel we got respected and treated appropriately..
KEEP YOUR CITY STUFF>>> I MOVED EAST FOR A REASON
no I'm not a cop

[So]

Should shut the @#%$ up and mind your business. No one asked your opinion, RESIDENT! Don't think you are qualified to give advice because you pay taxes. We all pay our own salaries, so don't start with that line. Now, I'm in the city, and you guys are getting too much like us. When my friend tells me what is changing, it feels sometimes like i am at work. God help you guys. Look at Nassau, at least you guys are not hiring city bosses to be your commisioner..... yet. God help you! Don't let your union get away with anything less than what you want, EVER! It happened slowly in the city, now look at us. Watch out.

[Excuse me]

And YOU WILL hear our opinion, so will the county executive and the county legislators and the news media. EVERYTHING that goes on in the police department DIRECTLY AFFFECTS us residents. You are employed by us. You are given alittle authority by us residents who elect the legislators who write the laws you are ordered to follow. I don't want to pay YOU to do paperwork. I don't want to pay YOU to answer the phones. Get out in the street and round up those gangs you keep talking about, and those drug dealers and those illegals. And DON"T tell us RESIDENTS to shut up again or the next salary dispute will have us protesting in the streets PAL.

[So]

I am TERRIFIED!!! PLease stop! If you knew how to read, you would have seen three things that would not make you look like the Jackass you are. FIRST- I work in the city, so i don't have a very very high salary. SECOND- we all pay our OWN salaries, so like i said, don't start with that. THIRD- Suffolk cops should not be given advice from people who get their info and ideas from third watch or Cops, that is what i am saying. You as a RESIDENT are not qualified to make decisions that affect even yourself. How about this scenario know it all?: A woman is being chased by her jealous ex-boyfriend in a car, and he is armed with a knife. She pulls into a precinct parking lot and runs to the door of the station house while her crazed ex chases her, high as a kite, with the knife, fully prepared to kill her, even if it is in the lobby of the precinct. Now, she makes it inside, barely, with the ex right on her heels. Who does she see when she gets to the desk begging for help? A CIVILIAN? Maybe she would if the civilian did'nt run, because she has no help to offer for this situatuion WHATSOEVER! Oh, and by the time she gets the Sgt., she is stabbed dead. NICE OUTCOME! Sound farfetched? It happened about 10 years ago at the 3rd. so it's not. THAT is why RESIDENTS don't have the experience to tell us how to do our jobs. So, SHUT THE @#%$ UP! I don't tell you how to mop the floor at burger king, and as a customer, you work for me. As A resident, you are customers, not mangement. Thank you.

[So What]

If it happened 10 years ago in the Third Precinct, what is your rational for saying that multiple cops must be stationed at the desk in all precinct houses?

The women you reference was killed with all the armed, trained, super knowledgeable cops right there! How could it have been worse if there was a cop, a sergeant and two civilians?

Your example does not support your case!

NEXT!

[Island]

Great idea

[civilian]

I'm just saying already it looks like a city cop on this board is trying to give advice to long island cops and the guy doesn't even work here. There's enough city invaders in every other agency in the county and I'm just saying - fight hard to keep them out of command positions here. Transfer into the rank and work your way up - ok. But we don't want city cops transferring in command of our county cops because we don't want city problems following us here. That's all I'm saying.

[Guy]

First of all, you have no idea what you are talking about. City cops don't just transfer over, they go through the same process as any other person who takes the test. If they are lucky enough to get called, they have to go through the scpd academy along with all the tests that come with it. Even if you are a captain with the NYPD, you become a regular patrol PO and have to work your way up like everyone else. They don't just transfer from the city to suffollk county. So please get your facts right before making statments.

[dag]

most of you might believe the desk job is the easiest, its actually harder than patrol, on a busy day, you will handle nearly as many calls as a car, plus, all your normal duties.
its been said before you dont pay our salaries you pay your taxes.assuming that you are a property owner. you have no control over that. you have to pay whatever your asigned taxes are, or you will be evicted. whatever power a police officer has is given to us by the state, thru the penal law, not by the taxpayers. unlike nypd, there are no extra bodies in the precincts, dont forget they have 3-4 times as many cops coming out of 1 ''house'' as we do.unless they are with a perp, no one goes into the pct to eat or hang out. you need 2 cops at the pct. yes criminals walk in, prob, parolees come in for testing, sex offenders to register,people drop off weapons, even seperated spouses exchange custody at the pct. all of these are potential problems, that a civilian cant help with.
in addition, the desk crew is responsible for fingerprints, photos, feeding the taxpayers we decided to lock up,plus making all the calls for the mvas, loose pitbulls, half dead deer, down trees,wires etc.
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[Question]

let me ask you something, if there only 1 cop in the pct what happens when he goes on break? no cop?
i would imagine the citizens would want a police prescence inside a pct, as well as in their neighborhood.
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[to answer]

i believe that case in point the only police officer there was a ''lite'' duty cop he or she was unable to protect the woman, it may've taken place outside and then spilled into the pct, where there were cops.
as far as meal relief,they'd have to call a sector car in to cover the desk.

[pacman]

Can't call in a sector car....we're down to minimum manning....Sorry for the delay, the cop who normally covers this sector is covering for the desk guy on meal. But i guess you won't complain...you're already dead.
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[scpd patrol]

The residents of Suffolk go into the precincts many times to ask questions/obtain information that can only be handled by police officers. these residents do not want to tie up the 911 system for these matters. In most cases, several officers (2-3) work the desk and as stated have many functions to perform. How long will people have to wait because of this rumored change?
Joe/Jane Q. Public WANTS to speak with an officer regarding their problem/concern/question. Sorry, but a civilian cannot provide such help.
The safety issue is very valid. Is the civilian going to assist the lone officer on the desk if he/she has to take police action in the lobby or just outside? I don't think so. Their perception/understanding of what police action even constitutes could be very skewed. If any internal investigation is ever undertaken and the civilian, who does not understand the law, the force continumum,police procedures, etc, gives a story that is not in fact what transpired, how does that help things?
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LovelyWendie (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[youmakemesick]

All right, for the hundreth time, I'll say it,

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES,OR PAYING OUR SALARIES OR WHATEVER LAME REASON THEY GIVE FOR KNOCKING SUFFOLK/NASSAU PO'S ! THESE WHINERS ARE JUST JEALOUS LOSERS WHO WOULD GIVE THEIR LEFT NUT FOR OUR JOB BUT ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO IT !!
They accept A-Rod getting 22 million a year, why? because they can't relate to him.They know they don't have the talent. But the Police? We're seen as regular joes,even neighbors, and people see that if a PO can be paid a good salary what shouldn't I? I didn't see people complaining 20 yrs ago when I made 16,000 a year and to leave the NYPD meant a pay CUT ! So suck it up, get off our board and take your resentment with you...

oh, by the way, the incident in the 3rd? the hump was rubber gunned...M. R.

[wtp285]

OK, first off, I wasn't justifying the idea of having civilians doing the desk officer's work. I was saying thats how it was done in the city. It is a crappy way of doing things...I do not think Suffolk should be going to it. I also said we had a lot more PO's in the house to deal with things if they happened, unlike out here. So I am not getting on anyone, so go easy. The idea of having civlilians being the majority of the desk, or being the only ones a walk-in can speak to sucks. They ARE NOT cops, like you guys said. The uniform and shield are what the public wants to see. With the city there are enough guys in uniform walking around thats they can grab one to talk to, out here you need to keep the cops on the desk. Wasn't trying to piss anyone off, I was just making a comment. Sorry guys.

[Desk Duty]

People who don't know what goes on with working the desk should sit on the side lines here. You think it's so easy? Stop calling everytime a helicopter flys over your house to ask what's going on. Don't come in the precinct to make complaints ( because I don't want a police car in front of MY house) or better yet ( I didn't want to bother a car on the road for this), call 911 THE ONLY WAY WE DISPATCH CARS IN SUFFOLK COUNTY the precinct IS NOT a non-emergency #. Don't call the precinct asking what to do 10 minutes after a sector car leaves your house because you don't like their answer. Don't come in to have your fingerprints taken for your job, adoptions, NYS Education Licenses etc. Who do you think watches over the prisoners that stay in the precinct until transportation to court? I've had up to 20 there at one time more than once. Don't come into the precinct for copies of reports, that has to be done at Central Records. Don't call the precinct to speak to an officer that handled your problem, they are on the road. Stop calling me for advise, call a Lawyer. Who do you think bails out all the prisoners eligible for bail. Who do you think the civilians that do work up there ask questions to when they don't know what to tell the people. Tow trucks, LIPA, Signal Repair, Town/State Highway Dept call outs. Entering reports into our computer don't just happen on it's own. Ever wonder how many arrests are made in the precicnt, I've had mine. I know I rambled and bounced back and forth a bit but 1 PO up there is a joke. Incidentally we do handle all that and more on the midnights with just 2 PO's. Two tour has at least 2 PO's and a civilian, but no civilian on weekends or holidays. Most of the time there is at least 1 light duty PO included in those numbers. Want to do away with PO's on the desk just lock the doors and turn off the lights.

[New commissioner]

Isn't your commissioner a nypd guy - hired as co? Isn't the anticipated new commissioner, also a nypd guy - being hired as co? Outsiders running ncpd.

[Question]

Desk Officers in Suffolk County answer stupid questions and refer the general public to the correct number of department?

Sound like that requires a cop...not.
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[way off]

if you have a question about the law, a civil matter, a town problem, do you want a clerk, with no training with the law answering them or a police officer?
check that, the clerk isnt even allowed to answer 1/2 the questions, he/she has to refer it to a cop, even if she knows the answer.

[wrong]

110 a year isnt very high salary for li its average. someone posted a while back, the ''fink'' bread delivery guy that lives next to him makes like 90,000 delivering bread!
''I don't want to pay YOU to do paperwork'' hah, every incident criminal or otherwise that we encounter has a minimum of a 10 minute report time,at least 1 page of p/work sometimes more like 2-3 hours and many pages.
ps you dont pay me suffolk does. check is headed suffolk county not YO. like the other post said dont want to pay your taxes, move, or rent, otherwise you like myself, and every other property owner will pay.
''And DON"T tell us RESIDENTS to shut up again or the next salary dispute will have us protesting in the streets PAL.''
shut up resident
you dont have a say in our contract, the county exec barely does, despite his rhetoric
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[arrogance]

that was quite arrogant, but in reality deserved. an arrogant answer to an arrogant post.
very few citizens are qualified to claim to be in charge of a police dept. i know im not, and id bet most officers under the rank of captain also know they're not. sometime ago someone got the idea of being up to date on their taxes as being qualified to be someones supervisor. in the case of a law enforcement job, the officers are required to follow whatever mandates the government, penal and civil laws require.which means what we knew all along, the justice system, and various goverments pay and are responsible for the actions of police officers.
i personally am not a police officer, i work in real estate. i make more than scp officers, and my wife who does nails and hair for a living is not too far behind them.i havent done anything remotely like actual physcial work since i was 18.
ive lived out here for 25 years and watched the farms turn into housing, there is a huge difference in this county since then,anyone who believes there is no crime doesnt have access to the newspapers or tv.

[So]

Thank you "GUY". I really just wish these residents would accept the fact that they have no right to tell us how to do our jobs. And again, i am in the city, but it's the same thing. "I'll have your job" No, you won't. It takes a criminal act for us to lose our jobs. "I pay your salary" . Yeah, you have no choice, and i pay my own salary. By the way, I'M just doing my job, BOSS. "Your wrong, i want him charged with assault and battery". No, there is no such charge as battery, and a slap is not assault unless you have an injury. "What should i do about this summons? I am not guilty, the officer framed me!" Yeah, i'll tell you how to get out of a summons you deserved. You like to sit in traffic and bitch when someone drives recklessly, until it's you and you get caught, then we are picking on you. My list could go on, but my point is this. Because you pay taxes, and watch Law and order, nypd blue, cops, csi, etc, DOES NOT MAKE YOU QUALIFIED TO GIVE POLICE ADVICE!!!! Hey, I watch E.R. next time i need to see a Doctor, i'll tell HIM how to do his job, because after all, I PAY HIS SALARY.

[dareme2]

Nicely said !

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