LEVY/DORMER ARE DESTROYING THE POLICE DEPT...

[justshakingmyhead]

hopefully the republicans will get their act together and come up with a strong candidate to boot them out next election....they have done nothing but discourage/remove the good leadership and replace them with those who made donations to the democratic party. sad, sad situation.

[dephoepful]

METALLICA>>>"YOU KNOW IT"S SAD BUT TRUE". Metallica rocks and hopefully so do the republicans in the next election!!!The higher ups don't know whats going on in the streets.

[sunny]

c

[moony]

defg

[cw1]

Word is Levy will help the the next Sheriff get into office and give pd jobs to the SCSO hwy rumor ha think about it.

[Guest 54]

Really?

as for law enforcement levy sucks.........Romaine would have helped law enforcment in a big way. Levy sure talked a good game and had the rest of suffolk county fooled. Does anybody care what a correction officer has to deal with every day??? As a correction officer i can tell you it's no 9-5 job or helping an old lady cross the street. Levy has got to go so me and my fellow correction officers can recieve a FAIR CONTRACT. with levy i don't see it happining.................

[Guest 45]

No, I suppose not

[guest54]

It just seems like Levy is trimmig all the waste in the department. All the uneeded tours and cars.

[SC Resident]

It just seems like Levy is trimmig all the waste in the department. All the uneeded tours and cars.

Exactly!! This is what Levy wants it to SEEM like. Look deeper into what he really says and does.. and you will see he is way off.

[Guest 200]

Don't be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. Putting police officers not to mention the general public at risk now, so an election year tax cut can be put in effect later, is just plain wrong. Rolling the dice with people's lives is not the way to go.

[Ripped off tax payer]

All the uneeded tours and cars
Define un-needed tours and cars, tours and cars where nothing happens by the grace of the Lord, or tours where the good people of suffolk have no police presence in their neighborhood, even though they are paid for?
Is the county going to issue rebates for the hours of the night the cars are empty? And dont forget the night differential.
Its all good and fine until its your own neighborhood

Don't be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. Putting police officers not to mention the general public at risk now, so an election year tax cut can be put in effect later, is just plain wrong. Rolling the dice with people's lives is not the way to go.

Please put out some statistics to back this up.


There has been nothing that has happened that has endangered the lifes of police or civilans. that is a smokescreen by the police.

Don't be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. Putting police officers not to mention the general public at risk now, so an election year tax cut can be put in effect later, is just plain wrong. Rolling the dice with people's lives is not the way to go.

Please put out some statistics to back this up.


There has been nothing that has happened that has endangered the lifes of police or civilans. that is a smokescreen by the police.dems r funny
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:03 am
Night shift Huntington. February 12th, 2005.

The following occurred on a cold winter night and morning:

3:13 am - Blue Ocean Restaurant - a stabbing

3:24 am - Thunders Bar - a bar fight

3:49 am - Charlie Brown's - a shooting

The second precinct in Huntington overwhelmed with calls and incidents had to call in for backup from precints in the towns of Babylon, Smithtown and Islip.

You can be assured all good liberal Democrats were fast asleep in their warm little beds thinking,

WOW everything is so peaceful now becauese we solved the gang problem and nothing occurrs at this late hour who needs all these sector cars.

There are a few, and verified by your bible aka Newsday. Would you like more?

Police union faults thin staffing in LIE fatality




BY EMI ENDO AND CHRISTIAN MURRAY
STAFF WRITERS

February 23, 2005

Suffolk police union leaders are pointing to a fatal accident Sunday night to bolster their contention that patrols are not adequately staffed.

As the latest part of a campaign blasting County Executive Steve Levy for inadequate police staffing, Jeffrey Frayler, president of the Police Benevolent Association, said more officers on duty might have prevented an accident on the Long Island Expressway in Shirley.

Police said a car struck and killed a woman who had stopped shortly after midnight to help another driver who had lost control of her vehicle, which spun out and stopped against a guardrail. The woman was standing by that car when she was struck.

Frayler said highway patrol officers were so swamped with accidents and other problems in western Suffolk that night that "there were no cars available on the East End."

But Chief of Department Robert Moore said the highway patrol had added extra officers because of the predicted snowstorm, including some held past their shift and others who were called in early. He said 21 vehicles responded to the accident scene. "Does that sound adequate to you?" he asked. Moore declined to release times of the calls and how long it took patrol cars to respond while the accident investigation is continuing.

The union's criticisms come amid continuing complaints about a pilot project that has temporarily reduced patrols on late-night shifts in Huntington. Two weeks ago the union, armed with fliers and a mobile billboard, began protesting the 90-day project Levy and Police Commissioner Richard Dormer launched Jan. 10 to redeploy two patrol cars from the overnight shift (9 p.m. to 7 a.m.) to the evening shift (3 p.m. to 11 p.m.) in the Second Precinct.

Frayler said staff reductions on the overnight shift stretched the department Feb. 12. At 3:13 a.m., there was a stabbing at the Blue Ocean Restaurant in Huntington Station; at 3:24 a.m, a bar fight at Thunders Bar in South Huntington; and at 3:49 a.m. a shooting at Charlie Brown's in Huntington Station, he said.

Louis Molinari, union representative in the Second Precinct, said the precinct had to call in help that night from Babylon, Smithtown and Islip precincts.

Said Dormer: "Ever since we started the pilot program, the union has been calling up the media every time there has been an incident." He said the union never called the media last year when an incident occurred.
Copyright © 2005, Newsday, Inc.

Here is the big question for chief Moore. How long did it take to get the first few units on the scene? Would the woman have stopped to help the other motorist if the police had already been onthe scene? Of the 21 units he claimed responded to the scene how many were crime scene, district commander, detectives squad vehicles and Police Dept. tow trucks which all came hours AFTER the fatality.

Frayler complains about the lack of staffing on the LIE as a result of the accident in Ridge the other night.... Where was he during the last two administrations, when Highway cars were far and few between, anywhere east of the Floyd, on both the LIE AND the Sunrise? Or, how about the 2 1/2 cars that covered the southeast portion of Brookhaven Town (6 communities/90 square miles) during the last two administrations? Didn't seem to matter then, did it?

Don't be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. Putting police officers not to mention the general public at risk now, so an election year tax cut can be put in effect later, is just plain wrong. Rolling the dice with people's lives is not the way to go.

Please put out some statistics to back this up.


There has been nothing that has happened that has endangered the lifes of police or civilans. that is a smokescreen by the police.dems r funny
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:03 am
Night shift Huntington. February 12th, 2005.

The following occurred on a cold winter night and morning:

3:13 am - Blue Ocean Restaurant - a stabbing

3:24 am - Thunders Bar - a bar fight

3:49 am - Charlie Brown's - a shooting

The second precinct in Huntington overwhelmed with calls and incidents had to call in for backup from precints in the towns of Babylon, Smithtown and Islip.

You can be assured all good liberal Democrats were fast asleep in their warm little beds thinking,

WOW everything is so peaceful now becauese we solved the gang problem and nothing occurrs at this late hour who needs all these sector cars.

There are a few, and verified by your bible aka Newsday. Would you like more?


That doesnt help your point at all, its not like another car would have helped in anything.

There are too many SCPD too begin with, thinning the ranks will only makes the ones on duty finally work

Mark my words deps will be pushing sectors come next administration in sheriff's office. County exec will get them out of the jail.

"There are too many SCPD too begin with, thinning the ranks will only makes the ones on duty finally work" First things first go get a 7th grade english text book and become literate before you post here.


News flash, there is a reason why CE Levy was opposed to the County Legislatures proposed plan to have an independant examination of the Police Departments staffing needs. Levy knows and was a member of the County Legislature years ago when a similar examination revealed that the sectors should be decreased in size and thus require more hiring. We have 1970s staffing levels with 2005 population and Urban style problems vis a vis gangs, drugs large immigrant populations.

Stevie still has a hard on based on the days when the cops would kick him out of the park and pork on Sunrise highway East of Nichols Rd. in Bluepoint.

As for the brain trust that Deps. are going to be pushing sector cars, I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. The Deps. have a good gig, take home cars, plenty of OT. I'm sure after a few 16 CC nights rolling around in Mastic, they would quickly long for the days of having take home cars and pick and choose overtime. The cache of "being a real cop" would wear off. Lots of the Deps. came from the NYPD. There is a reason they left being "real cops" for the lifestyle of the Deps. Better working conditions and more pay. I doubt sincerely their working conditions would improve by having to work a sector. Besides what kind of moron would do it if the guy next to him were making more than him because his shirt was blue.

Please put out some statistics to back this up.


There has been nothing that has happened that has endangered the lifes of police or civilans. that is a smokescreen by the police.
Your mistake is by assuming no ones lives are endangered simply because nothing happened is wrong.
If there are not enough police to cover the area they are supposed to cover when someone happens, then everyone is endangered.
If you can post a schedule of all the emergencies so the Pct can post a car there, it would be so helpful.There are too many SCPD too begin with, thinning the ranks will only makes the ones on duty finally work
Something I can almost agree with. Too many bosses, too many Range, Emt instructors, too many pencil pushers Too many Supervisors. What they need to do is drag some of these 120k a year ''tit'' jobbers out of the office and have them patrol.
Read the paper, see whats going on in this county, car pursuits, stabbings, kids being run over,thousands of dollars worth of pellet gun attacks, then look at our roads..do you commute to work? All the traffic, all the accidents. While you are driving look around see all the new condos, luxury homes being crammed in every open plot.. there are more people working, living out here than ever, the county should be hiring more officers, or finding ways to better serve us.
I had a accident 2 weeks ago, waited nearly 3 hours for an officer, about 20 minutes into waiting 2 cars passed, they passed again at the 2 1/2 hour mark. Then 1 came back, apparently they passed on their way to a committal, were stuck at the hospital for a couple hours, by the time they came back it was after relief, so they had to switch tours. I was livid, called the pct talked to a supervisor who confirmed this. I pay 700 a year in police taxes, I think the county should not make me wait 3 hours for service.
What if I have the same accident at 3 am, and the nearest cars are on the same commital?

That doesnt help your point at all, its not like another car would have helped in anything.

There are too many SCPD too begin with, thinning the ranks will only makes the ones on duty finally work
Why wouldnt another car help? What statistics are you basing that on? I would imagine unser any circumstances another officer would be useful if not assisting in the call, handling another call or just patrolling the areas, checking glass, patrol checks, etc not being covered.
I find it hard to believe 200 or less cops during the day and 150 or less at night, are sufficient to cover the towns of Huntington,Islip,Babylon,Brookhaven,Islandia in their entirety. Sure the calls are being answered, eventually, but who is patrolling the roads? See how people drive out here? On the Lie you can go the entire length of Suffolk and see 1 cop, and its a known fact.
The idea of having Police isnt having everyone work, ie answer calls, its being able to answer 911 calls and be visible to the public, to deter crime, the whole omnipresense thing, which just dont exist out here.There just arent enough cops to answer calls, let alone patrol. Any perp knows if all the police are tied up on one call, its easy pickings.

Frayler complains about the lack of staffing on the LIE as a result of the accident in Ridge the other night.... Where was he during the last two administrations, when Highway cars were far and few between, anywhere east of the Floyd, on both the LIE AND the Sunrise? Or, how about the 2 1/2 cars that covered the southeast portion of Brookhaven Town (6 communities/90 square miles) during the last two administrations? Didn't seem to matter then, did it?
We did complain then also, but then it was just ''overpaid cops griping about having to do some work''
Now it hits the paper and a few people actually are siding with the cops

[........]

[quote]What if I have the same accident at 3 am, and the nearest cars are on the same commital?

You're hosed!

Word is Levy will help the the next Sheriff get into office and give pd jobs to the SCSO hwy rumor ha think about it.
We dont need the SCPD anyways, they are a waste of money and having no cops would be just as effective as the SCPD and they do nothing.

are you an asshole??? if somebody robs your house who are you going to call....your mommy...........goastbusters........how the hell can you say we don't need scpd.......go live in iraq and see how they operate with no orginization

are you an asshole??? if somebody robs your house who are you going to call....your mommy...........goastbusters........how the hell can you say we don't need scpd.......go live in iraq and see how they operate with no orginization
SCPD takes 15 minutes to respond, in most of the towns or villages with their own PD you get a response in like 3 or 4 minutes. What a waste of my taxpaying money.

[R U Kidding???]

are you an asshole??? if somebody robs your house who are you going to call....your mommy...........goastbusters........how the hell can you say we don't need scpd.......go live in iraq and see how they operate with no orginization

If somebody robs my house, what is the SCPD going to do? Huh? HUH? Are they going to take prints and find the perp? No. They're going to fill out a report to submit to my insurance company. Then they're going to tell me how to better secure my stuff.

[Mtapd]

I wasn't aware u could "ROB" a house? How does one do that? lol Suffolk has the finest law enforcement agency in the Country an d do an outstanding job with the current manpower levels and they are paid accordingly!

We dont need the SCPD anyways, they are a waste of money and having no cops would be just as effective as the SCPD and they do nothing.

SCPD takes 15 minutes to respond, in most of the towns or villages with their own PD you get a response in like 3 or 4 minutes. What a waste of my taxpaying money.
Dont know where you live but 15 minutes to fill out a report aint bad, I've waited over 2 hours both in the city and Long beach for a simple report. Its a priority call, burg in progress response time that counts.
Frankly if you believe you can do better in a world without cops, thats fine, good luck.

The following occurred on a cold winter night and morning:

3:13 am - Blue Ocean Restaurant - a stabbing

3:24 am - Thunders Bar - a bar fight

3:49 am - Charlie Brown's - a shooting

Sounds like there is a simple solution to all this. How about we outlaw alcohol?

And which is it? A cold winter morning or a cold winter night? It cant be both.

[The Real Wabble Wouser]

I put that out on this site about the three early incidents in Huntington. It happened at night in the wee morning hours when all good liberal democrats are in bed dreaming how to cut more police coverage for us civilians. I'm no cop but if I were I'd be damned pissed at Democrats who say they crack down on violent street gangs one month. Secure government funding for more police action in Huntington and then several months later reduce the normal police coverage. Politicians like to have it both ways.

But I've heard that Democrat supervisor Petrone will have more public safety people patrolling our streets and villages. Just what we need less cops and more uniformed political patronage public safety people under the command of Bruce Richards. Judging by their lies and lack of enforcing existing codes in Huntington this will be a long and costly year for Huntington citizens and the SCPD.

[Police Petroned]

Fat Frank is even going to beef up the Dog Catchers to supplement things (it's his nephew that needs the job).

We dont need the SCPD anyways, they are a waste of money and having no cops would be just as effective as the SCPD and they do nothingSCPD takes 15 minutes to respond, in most of the towns or villages with their own PD you get a response in like 3 or 4 minutes. What a waste of my taxpaying money.
somebody robs my house, what is the SCPD going to do? Huh? HUH? Are they going to take prints and find the perp? No. They're going to fill out a report to submit to my insurance company. Then they're going to tell me how to better secure my stuff.
Someone's got some life issues.

[Supreme Court Justice]

We dont need the SCPD anyways, they are a waste of money and having no cops would be just as effective as the SCPD and they do nothing
Quote:
SCPD takes 15 minutes to respond, in most of the towns or villages with their own PD you get a response in like 3 or 4 minutes. What a waste of my taxpaying money.

somebody robs my house, what is the SCPD going to do? Huh? HUH? Are they going to take prints and find the perp? No. They're going to fill out a report to submit to my insurance company. Then they're going to tell me how to better secure my stuff. Quote:

Someone's got some life issues.



Thats not life issues, its the whole rebel against society things, lasts from 12-16 years of age, when you have kids you'll understand.

[Guestman]

I see

Keep yapping about instances of crime in Suffolk little doggies...
The publics perception of you all will be hard to ignore given our taxes and lack of police visibility. Better you should shut your wordholes. Seems to me that crime is occurring because you dont do your jobs very well. Perhaps if you could pull your asses out of the Firehouse or the 7-11 (after you pay for the food, of course) and made your presence more felt in some of these areas, (its called omnipresence, rookie) perhaps criminals would be disinclined to commit such acts. I'd suggest that few departments other than you overpriced, underworked princesses here would be puffing their chests out with righteous indignation while people are getting shot, etc.

A little less whining, a little more work. Some people just cant appreciate how good theyve got it.

GO OUT AND PATROL, LADIES.
(My apologies to princesses and the female population).

[Police Petroned]

Hey we don't need all those cops. We have Pubic Safety.

Is that like Smart Growth?

Keep yapping about instances of crime in Suffolk little doggies...
The publics perception of you all will be hard to ignore given our taxes and lack of police visibility. Better you should shut your wordholes. Seems to me that crime is occurring because you dont do your jobs very well. Perhaps if you could pull your asses out of the Firehouse or the 7-11 (after you pay for the food, of course) and made your presence more felt in some of these areas, (its called omnipresence, rookie) perhaps criminals would be disinclined to commit such acts. I'd suggest that few departments other than you overpriced, underworked princesses here would be puffing their chests out with righteous indignation while people are getting shot, etc.

A little less whining, a little more work. Some people just cant appreciate how good theyve got it.

GO OUT AND PATROL, LADIES.
(My apologies to princesses and the female population).

OK let me guess you are on the city job. Lets look at this for a moment. Do you think that the political winds that will put one up a cops ass in the city if he gets involved in something with a little hair on it don't exist out here? By my seat of the pants estimate 30% of the Suffolk job are former city cops. Since the other 70% or so aren't prior city timers why don't I see the 30% of the heros from the big job teaching us bumpkins how it's done? It doesn't happen because if you do the job the way it should be done you will get civilian complaints and will commit career suicide. So we learn to do the bare minimum to keep the bosses off of our backs without getting involved and keeping our blinders on. Besides who has time to practice omnipresence when you are going from job to job handling BS calls about barking dogs and residential alarms.

[civilian rookie]

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS :cry:

[SC Resident]

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS :cry:


It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.

Keep yapping about instances of crime in Suffolk little doggies...
The publics perception of you all will be hard to ignore given our taxes and lack of police visibility. Better you should shut your wordholes. Seems to me that crime is occurring because you dont do your jobs very well. Perhaps if you could pull your asses out of the Firehouse or the 7-11 (after you pay for the food, of course) and made your presence more felt in some of these areas, (its called omnipresence, rookie) perhaps criminals would be disinclined to commit such acts. I'd suggest that few departments other than you overpriced, underworked princesses here would be puffing their chests out with righteous indignation while people are getting shot, etc.

A little less whining, a little more work. Some people just cant appreciate how good theyve got it.

GO OUT AND PATROL, LADIES.
(My apologies to princesses and the female population).
Gee I remember those days of having nothing to do, right now I'm still a bit winded after the past 9 days of work where I responded to a hanging, 2 legit pursuits, 2 self- inflicted knife wounds, purse snatching, a strong arm robbery,a robb with the threat of a gun, none displayed, car on fire with the driver's foot,Spi mva involving a ped and a Fire vehicle, a assist to transport a 2 y/o whos head was crushed,A suicidal barricaded subject w/ rifle, a house drive by shooting, additionally 7 of the usual domestics, (my 7 year old wont listen) 5-6 mvas, all the regular reports, usually 4-5 per tour. plus a arrest and 7 summons.
I'm not a supervisor, and I'm not in any special unit, those were almost all 911 generated calls.
I dont know if you are from any other job, or just a head up your butt type, if you dont know whats going on in 1/2 of a Town in Suffolk, you need to keep quite, because you are making a ass of yourself.

[Francis X. Goldfarb]

Gee I remember those days of having nothing to do, right now I'm still a bit winded after the past 9 days of work where I responded to a hanging, 2 legit pursuits, 2 self- inflicted knife wounds, purse snatching, a strong arm robbery,a robb with the threat of a gun, none displayed, car on fire with the driver's foot,Spi mva involving a ped and a Fire vehicle, a assist to transport a 2 y/o whos head was crushed,A suicidal barricaded subject w/ rifle, a house drive by shooting, additionally 7 of the usual domestics, (my 7 year old wont listen) 5-6 mvas, all the regular reports, usually 4-5 per tour. plus a arrest and 7 summons.

9 days work? I know cops who handle all that in one tour and still manage to squeeze a meal period in. :lol:

Oh, yeah 3 weeks ago I did that on my lunch break, at 7-11
You troll

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS :cry:


It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.
Every major law enforcement agency with over 500 sworn officers is all about politics, no serving the people and making Suffolk County a safe place to live and work, just politics and saving money.

Every major law enforcement agency with over 500 sworn officers is all about politics, no serving the people and making Suffolk County a safe place to live and work, just politics and saving money.
Correct, the show behind the doors of the pols and the asssucks white shirts are something to behold.
Its better to just be a street cop, do your job as best you can and go home to your family.

[2100-0700 bomber]

Dormer is a good man.

Quit your whining you crybaby pantloads

Correct, the show behind the doors of the pols and the asssucks white shirts are something to behold
Right on Que;2100-0700 bomber Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:08 am

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Dormer is a good man.

Quit your whining you crybaby pantloads



Come up for air, and go get tested heard some kind of Vd is floating around the puzzle palace

[The Real Wabble Wouser]

I see where in todays Newsday Petrone and Cuthbertsen and Israel blame budget cuts by George Bush and Republicans for hurting their revitalization efforts for Huntington Station ( building apartment buildings and smarth growth initiatives - all which involve millions of tax payer dollars to developers and builders )

And for hurting their gang fighting program- ( teaching foreign gang members not to stab and shoot one another )

They advised us that petrone will add more public safety patrols to ease the public unease of less police protection that the Democrats gaveth but taketh away from us citizens.

Politics in Huntington SUCKS

Dormer is a good man.

Ha, I remember picking my kids up from k/k athletics, he was getting chewed out by the boss for screwing up HIS OWN o/t.
And this is the brains behind the levy regime, or perhaps I'll go along with the others and place him in front of levy, grabbing his ankles and...........

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS :cry:


It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.

nope its been about politics long before Levy got here.

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS



It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.


nope its been about politics long before Levy got here
Anything to do with police depts in general after you leave the area of patrol, or support services is all political, once you become a supervosir of any sort you are changed for ever.
Its not just numbers they are looking for but specific numbers, your boys could all put up 25 summons a month, but if they arent the type of numbers they want, i. e. the highly publicized moving violations, not just movers but on main roads in hi-accident locations, and seatbelt and cell phone violations,again on main roads, you are going to get grief, they would rather get 10 less summons, but the ones they want, to prove they are tough on aggressive driving.
In fact, management would prefer brake lite summons on a main road than a misdemeanor reckless or agg. suspended 511.........go figure.
Smoke and mirrors

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS



It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.


nope its been about politics long before Levy got here


Give me a break, any promotion over Captain, Dep. Inspector,
Inspector, Asst. Chief, Chief, Asst. Commish, Commisioner is by appointment. Who do you think is appointing these positions?
Do you think they want a mixing bowl of opinions, or people that are going to follow the leader, be good little yes men and tow the company line?
Their interests are keeping their 3 banquet a week, 140k a year, stepping stone into some cushy private sector job, for another month.Not the public, not patrol, just holding on.

In fact, management would prefer brake lite summons on a main road than a misdemeanor reckless or agg. suspended 511.........go figure
Right, you mean a 1212 or 511 on a secondary road?
I'm out the last class, At least once a week I sit on a County road, just writing anything, I was told in no uncertain terms dont even write it unless it was near a main road, complete b/s

[SC Resident]

after attending meetings and sizing up the players I now realize the Suffolk County Police Department is all about POLITICS :cry:


It wasn't in the past.

That only happened the day Levy was elected.

nope its been about politics long before Levy got here.

I wouldn’t say it NEVER played a part before… but with Levy it’s so obvious. Robert Moore was a mediocre DI before he was named Chief of Department after helping Levy’s campaign. Same can be said for Rau and the other Chiefs who got made. Not to mention plenty of detectives and other people who have moved up too.

wouldn’t say it NEVER played a part before… but with Levy it’s so obvious. Robert Moore was a mediocre DI before he was named Chief of Department after helping Levy’s campaign. Same can be said for Rau and the other Chiefs who got made. Not to mention plenty of detectives and other people who have moved u
Only reason Rau moved anywhere he was in R.P.'s way, he had to be moved so rp could go from capt. to Ins. in the 6th. in stevie's world rp is the golden one, never be touched, that slick sob.

"...That doesnt help your point at all, its not like another car would have helped in anything.

There are too many SCPD too begin with, thinning the ranks will only makes the ones on duty finally work[/quote]

Do you think those were the only calls that pd needed to respond to during those hours? I doubt it.. those calls mentioned were the high priority calls. I'll bet there were other citizens that needed a police officer that went without one for a long time because everyone was busy with these emergencies....there aren't enought po's out there..
too many scpd? ask the people who wait an hour for a po if there's too many out there!

[Not enough eh?]

Do you think those were the only calls that pd needed to respond to during those hours? I doubt it.. those calls mentioned were the high priority calls. I'll bet there were other citizens that needed a police officer that went without one for a long time because everyone was busy with these emergencies....there aren't enought po's out there..
too many scpd? ask the people who wait an hour for a po if there's too many out there!

OK, while we're asking those who waited an hour or so (the non-emergency calls) let's ALSO ask them:

-Would you like your police tax to double in order to provide more officers?

-If the police force was doubled, wouldn't it be fair to pay each HALF their normal salary & benefits, since being a cop would then become SO MUCH SAFER?

- If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?

[Townie.]

SCPD takes 15 minutes to respond, in most of the towns or villages with their own PD you get a response in like 3 or 4 minutes. What a waste of my taxpaying money
Ha most towns and villages pay their Police more than suffolk or Nassau makes, I'd expect if I had my own private police force, covering a couple blocks, immediate response as well.

[CASH COWS]

OK, while we're asking those who waited an hour or so (the non-emergency calls) let's ALSO ask them:

-Would you like your police tax to double in order to provide more officers?

-If the police force was doubled, wouldn't it be fair to pay each HALF their normal salary & benefits, since being a cop would then become SO MUCH SAFER?

- If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?


first of all, dont double the force, take people who sit all day without moving, police liasion, Evoc, Emt servicing, Gunnery, Academy staff,Impound yard, etc and put them to work.If each of then wrote 1/2 the summons we do, they would enable the county to break even with our salaries.

Taxes would not be doubled if the paper pushers were required to patrol. When cops patrol, write summons and make arrests, they make the county, village, state money. When they don't budge from their desk except to hit the john or go to lunch, they cost the County money.
Again no need to double the force cut back on dead weight, maintain the minimum quotas that ensure patrol makes money for the county, and cut back on supervisors, in a average squad, of 25 police officers there are 5 sgts, and 1 lt. in the average day, the sgts sign each officers book, collects and checks paperwork. forget the non patrol lt, captain, inspector and dept inspector, sitting in their offices.
Easy Adas and Das do not expose themselves to the dangers of Policework. they sit behind their desks and reap the benefits of our work. Without Police arresting and issuing summons, they have nothing to do.

wouldn’t say it NEVER played a part before… but with Levy it’s so obvious. Robert Moore was a mediocre DI before he was named Chief of Department after helping Levy’s campaign. Same can be said for Rau and the other Chiefs who got made. Not to mention plenty of detectives and other people who have moved u
Only reason Rau moved anywhere he was in R.P.'s way, he had to be moved so rp could go from capt. to Ins. in the 6th. in stevie's world rp is the golden one, never be touched, that slick sob.

Two faced F. I would count my fingers after shaking my hand w/ RP.

Do you think those were the only calls that pd needed to respond to during those hours? I doubt it.. those calls mentioned were the high priority calls. I'll bet there were other citizens that needed a police officer that went without one for a long time because everyone was busy with these emergencies....there aren't enought po's out there..
too many scpd? ask the people who wait an hour for a po if there's too many out there!

OK, while we're asking those who waited an hour or so (the non-emergency calls) let's ALSO ask them:

-Would you like your police tax to double in order to provide more officers?

-If the police force was doubled, wouldn't it be fair to pay each HALF their normal salary & benefits, since being a cop would then become SO MUCH SAFER?

- If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?

Why new junior ADAs make less than POs is simple. 1. POs have collective bargaining, ADAs don't, ADAs serve at the pleasure of the DA therefore they are in some exempt status. 2. The DAs office knows that scum sucking bottom dweller new law school graduates are taking the ADA job (for the most part) because they will get a huge amount of experience in a very short period of time. They will then either resign or be out when the next election comes within 3 or 4 years and go into private practice where they will use their contacts within the DAs office and their friendships with judges to get their perp clients off. They then command ridiculous fees because they develop a reputation for having the contacts to get their clients off.

If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers
I think you should compare the salaries of a Suffolk county employee to other Municipal employees, example Snow plow drivers from the city to ours. I'm know city cops make more than city municipal employees.
Adas make less than cops because they do not make money for the county, the cops do.
Also a big difference between a garbage man, street sweeper or ada and a cop, how many gun calls do the Adas go on?
Is part of a snow plower's job is to wear a bullet proof-vest?
How many times does a garbage man go to a house where someone is sick, and possibly contagious, and requesting a transport to a hospital?
How many civilians do Adas committ to a mental health facility?
You are comparing two different worlds.Doesnt apply

OK, while we're asking those who waited an hour or so (the non-emergency calls) let's ALSO ask them:

-Would you like your police tax to double in order to provide more officers?

-If the police force was doubled, wouldn't it be fair to pay each HALF their normal salary & benefits, since being a cop would then become SO MUCH SAFER?

- If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?


Somehow reading these ignorant remarks I flash back to Stevie Levy getting his 1st paycheck 10 years ago in local govt. and saying,'' hey the cops still make more than me, wah.''

Somehow reading these ignorant remarks I flash back to Stevie Levy getting his 1st paycheck 10 years ago in local govt. and saying,'' hey the cops still make more than me, wah.''
Ha, funny, then stevie comparing his check to RP's as a COPE SGT after a bonghit and some intimacy,the two formulated their plans to conquer Suffolk County.

[Car 616]

OK, while we're asking those who waited an hour or so (the non-emergency calls) let's ALSO ask them:

-Would you like your police tax to double in order to provide more officers?

-If the police force was doubled, wouldn't it be fair to pay each HALF their normal salary & benefits, since being a cop would then become SO MUCH SAFER?

- If the main justification for paying the SCPD over 85,000.00 per year PER officer (plus benefits) is that Long Island is such an expensive place to live, wouldn't it make sense, and be only fair to ALSO pay every county employee, who is also forced to live on Long Island and somehow get by, that same amount? How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?


But lets consider the huge population explosion, sine I moved out here 5 years ago, I live in Coram in a house built for me, there have been well over 7 200+ unit condos slapped in every nook and corner. Drove thru ridge and found hundreds of 500k+ homes built and being built since my last pass thru there 3 years ago.
The growth on the east end of the SCPD's jurisdiction is quite rapid and besides the obvious new income, these additional homes, mine included, need additional resources.
I cant speak for the taxpayers living on the west end, but where is my tax-money going? They are collecting all this new revenue from us new high priced(paid over 300k 5 years ago) homes and condos but not adding to our coverage.
Where I live, there is 1 car, with 1 driver, it covers a huge area, if you are familiar with Coram it covers from Horseblock Rd. up Blue Point to Bicycle Path, down Old Town rd, to cr 83 to Pine Rd, to Coram Mt. Sinai rd Down 112 to Granny. That is a huge area, and more houses and condos are being built every year.

[carterers in Huntington]

Town officials won't mess with them
but when illegal dwellings kept multiplying and the town ( Real Estate Broker Quentin Sammis )came up with the accessory apartment law to make many of them legal, the carters complained big time--They had an excellent point--We have to pick up more garbage from houses that added another dwelling so we should get paid more

So Huntington officials have a tax on refuse pickup at houses with accessory apartments

Why can't the town and/or Suffolk county tax houses with extra dwellings whether the dwellings are legal or not-- This extra tax which already goes to the town and carterers for garbage pickup should also be for school districts and police departments

Nassau county is supposedly now doing just this

How can the county pay ADAs with a law degree LESS than police officers?


Because they are glorified secretaries. Ever go to 1st district ct room 220, watch the trail of trash walk in with their 15 summons for driving suspended, multiple movers and equipment violations and watch them walk with 1 unlicensed driver and a tailgating.
They hardly serve the public by their actions, and are only concerned with making their future connections like the other poster alluded to, by making sweetheart deals with their future coworkers representing the trash.

[Not enough eh?]

[quote]first of all, dont double the force, take people who sit all day without moving, police liasion, Evoc, Emt servicing, Gunnery, Academy staff,Impound yard, etc and put them to work.If each of then wrote 1/2 the summons we do, they would enable the county to break even with our salaries.

Taxes would not be doubled if the paper pushers were required to patrol. When cops patrol, write summons and make arrests, they make the county, village, state money. When they don't budge from their desk except to hit the john or go to lunch, they cost the County money.
Again no need to double the force cut back on dead weight, maintain the minimum quotas that ensure patrol makes money for the county, and cut back on supervisors, in a average squad, of 25 police officers there are 5 sgts, and 1 lt. in the average day, the sgts sign each officers book, collects and checks paperwork. forget the non patrol lt, captain, inspector and dept inspector, sitting in their offices.
Easy Adas and Das do not expose themselves to the dangers of Policework. they sit behind their desks and reap the benefits of our work. Without Police arresting and issuing summons, they have nothing to do.

OK, fine - you seem to be enough "in-the-know" about the inner workings of the police department. There isn't an academy class going on all year around, what could an academy trainer possibly be doing day in and day out when there are no classes being put through the academy? Are you saying they still report to the academy and just sit there doing nothing?

What does COPE do when they're not out cope-ing? They don't help with patrols, even if there's a backlog?

How about marine, are there as many working that assignment in the dead of winter? Please tell me that's not the case.

Is there a captain, sgt, lt, commander for each and every shift? If there's a captain, stg, leiutenant what the hell do you also need a patrol supervisor for? What exactly is the management to labor ratio of the SCPD?

This is getting very enlightening, and I don't like the way I'm being enlightened!

[quote]first of all, dont double the force, take people who sit all day without moving, police liasion, Evoc, Emt servicing, Gunnery, Academy staff,Impound yard, etc and put them to work.If each of then wrote 1/2 the summons we do, they would enable the county to break even with our salaries.

Taxes would not be doubled if the paper pushers were required to patrol. When cops patrol, write summons and make arrests, they make the county, village, state money. When they don't budge from their desk except to hit the john or go to lunch, they cost the County money.
Again no need to double the force cut back on dead weight, maintain the minimum quotas that ensure patrol makes money for the county, and cut back on supervisors, in a average squad, of 25 police officers there are 5 sgts, and 1 lt. in the average day, the sgts sign each officers book, collects and checks paperwork. forget the non patrol lt, captain, inspector and dept inspector, sitting in their offices.
Easy Adas and Das do not expose themselves to the dangers of Policework. they sit behind their desks and reap the benefits of our work. Without Police arresting and issuing summons, they have nothing to do.

OK, fine - you seem to be enough "in-the-know" about the inner workings of the police department. There isn't an academy class going on all year around, what could an academy trainer possibly be doing day in and day out when there are no classes being put through the academy? Are you saying they still report to the academy and just sit there doing nothing?

What does COPE do when they're not out cope-ing? They don't help with patrols, even if there's a backlog?

How about marine, are there as many working that assignment in the dead of winter? Please tell me that's not the case.

Is there a captain, sgt, lt, commander for each and every shift? If there's a captain, stg, leiutenant what the hell do you also need a patrol supervisor for? What exactly is the management to labor ratio of the SCPD?

This is getting very enlightening, and I don't like the way I'm being enlightened!
No, each shift has a Lt. in command and Sergeants as supervisors. Captains serve as Pct. executive officers to the Pct. commander who is either a Deputy Inspector or Inspector.

My commmunity only has 2 officers in seperate cars (per shift) for 32,000 people and 7 square miles.

OK, fine - you seem to be enough "in-the-know" about the inner workings of the police department. There isn't an academy class going on all year around, what could an academy trainer possibly be doing day in and day out when there are no classes being put through the academy? Are you saying they still report to the academy and just sit there doing nothing?

What does COPE do when they're not out cope-ing? They don't help with patrols, even if there's a backlog?

How about marine, are there as many working that assignment in the dead of winter? Please tell me that's not the case.

Is there a captain, sgt, lt, commander for each and every shift? If there's a captain, stg, leiutenant what the hell do you also need a patrol supervisor for? What exactly is the management to labor ratio of the SCPD?

This is getting very enlightening, and I don't like the way I'm being enlightened!
The academy staff does the civil service fitness tests, and recertifies the ranks of patrol in some areas, the range recertifies in shooting, Evoc recertifies driving, Emt recertifies emts for Pos, The Background investigatros do background investigations, theoretically the rest of the time they could be assigned to patrol.
Marine does their own thing, cope will help out if asked.
There is always a lt and a Officer In Charge, during the day you have the rest of the staff.

Is there a captain, sgt, lt, commander for each and every shift? If there's a captain, stg, leiutenant what the hell do you also need a patrol supervisor for? What exactly is the management to labor ratio of the SCPD?
There is also a lt for the pct, a admin Lt. The average squad 25-30 P.O.s, each has 4 road supervisors, 1 desk sgt, 1 lt. then Cope 5-10 officers, has their own Sgt, plus a admin officer, also the officer in charge of the fleet,and crossing guards.Then you have Crime control, 5-8 officers with their own sgt and lt. Then for the pct you have a admin lt, a captain, dep. insp. and Insp.

[top heavy]

So if the average scpd makes 110, then i'll assume its a 20 grand step to sgt, 10 to lt,10 to captain, 10 to dep ins 20 to ins;
we have 630 grand in sgts;
140 grand to 280 grand to lt;
150 to cap.
160 to dep
170 to insp.
1,400,000 in supervisors on the day tour?
what exactly does the officer in charge of fleet do? is that the cars?
what about the crossing guards?
how many squads are there?

[1intheno]

I don't think anyone doubts that SCPD can be run more efficiently. Both the civilians and Cops know that government can waste money with incredible speed. Look at Team Levy...his first order of business was to double the size of the executive staff. Where past administrations had a chief deputy county exec, Steve needs 2, plus a ton of high level support staffers. The legislative office of budget review put's this additional cost at almost $500,000 annually in salaries alone.

But back to the topic...there are many paperweight positions within the department that can be cut. If any crossing guard/car man type positions still exist (i thought they did away with them 3 years ago), they can be done away with. Likewise, with some of the bosses that have redundant functions (i.e. a pct. co, xo and . captain).

Where you DONT want to create savings is off of the patrol staff (sector cars). They do the core mission of the department. The problem is, they are the biggest and easiest target. It's much, much easier for Dormer to close down two more sector cars on the midnights in each precinct (14 positions) than do in-depth research and carefully identify 14 extraneous positions. The public (by and large) doesn't see the sector reduction, and if there is an up-tick in crimes, that can be statistically argued away.

The big picture is, this is nickle and dime stuff that is fueling levy's political fight against the PBA. No cops will be fired, and the absolute most overtime that would be saved under this redeployment plan (if it is implemented in all 7 precincts) would be in the neighborhood of $200,000. Sound like a lot? Consider that's less then the amount needed to hire 2 cops. That's about 0.0004% of the department's annual budget. Also consider that Mr. Levy stated to Newsday (today's article) that he is going to do a taxpayer funded PR campaign to counter the PBA's message (bet that will cost us at least 50k). Is all this (plus the reduction in public safety) worth it for a 0.0004% reduction?

I think that it's time Mr. Levy cut his losses, and hire a progressive, proactive commissioner who isn't afraid to dig deep, work with his employees, and identify area's of waste. I've read posts from many officers here who will willingly tell us where the extraneous spots are, and where more assets need to be allocated. Mr. Dormer, it seems, is past his prime and living in the 80's.

[Guest 26]

I don't think anyone doubts that SCPD can be run more efficiently. Both the civilians and Cops know that government can waste money with incredible speed. Look at Team Levy...his first order of business was to double the size of the executive staff. Where past administrations had a chief deputy county exec, Steve needs 2, plus a ton of high level support staffers. The legislative office of budget review put's this additional cost at almost $500,000 annually in salaries alone.

But back to the topic...there are many paperweight positions within the department that can be cut. If any crossing guard/car man type positions still exist (i thought they did away with them 3 years ago), they can be done away with. Likewise, with some of the bosses that have redundant functions (i.e. a pct. co, xo and . captain).

Where you DONT want to create savings is off of the patrol staff (sector cars). They do the core mission of the department. The problem is, they are the biggest and easiest target. It's much, much easier for Dormer to close down two more sector cars on the midnights in each precinct (14 positions) than do in-depth research and carefully identify 14 extraneous positions. The public (by and large) doesn't see the sector reduction, and if there is an up-tick in crimes, that can be statistically argued away.

The big picture is, this is nickle and dime stuff that is fueling levy's political fight against the PBA. No cops will be fired, and the absolute most overtime that would be saved under this redeployment plan (if it is implemented in all 7 precincts) would be in the neighborhood of $200,000. Sound like a lot? Consider that's less then the amount needed to hire 2 cops. That's about 0.0004% of the department's annual budget. Also consider that Mr. Levy stated to Newsday (today's article) that he is going to do a taxpayer funded PR campaign to counter the PBA's message (bet that will cost us at least 50k). Is all this (plus the reduction in public safety) worth it for a 0.0004% reduction?

I think that it's time Mr. Levy cut his losses, and hire a progressive, proactive commissioner who isn't afraid to dig deep, work with his employees, and identify area's of waste. I've read posts from many officers here who will willingly tell us where the extraneous spots are, and where more assets need to be allocated. Mr. Dormer, it seems, is past his prime and living in the 80's.

Great point. The only thing I would add to your last point is to hire a commissioner who can also think and act independently without the influence of Steve Levy.

[Justmeagain]

Whack the Brass, they are the pain in the A@#$%^
1intheno: The police have the largest O/T budget out of any department; they also probably have the largest operating budget also, not to mention a large capital budget that has been burying the taxpayer the last couple of years with "New" Precincts.
Its obvious U don't want sector cars cut but when there munching down at the diner for free for hours. It's time to get the ball rolling here. It’s all about money here, either shifted from the SOA to the PBA. U need not shut down sectors but U MUST REDEPLOY! U can easily remove any and most overtime by effectively deploying and administering the staff (including SOA & PBA) Something unheard of in the dept. for decades. It's time for an independent to clean up the waste that the department has harbored for DECADES! Mr. Dormer understands what can be done without all the Bull$^&*. Maybe that’s why living in the 80 was so good. And you haven’t heard the last from Steve-E. Let them do what they were hired to do, let the staff grumble too...because they will anyway. They are adult whiner and very good at it. :idea:

[RE:justmeagain]

"the police have the largest o/t budget of any dept "???? R U Kiding me...Did u see the top 200 o/t earners ?? more than 60% were in the sheriff's dept !!! (in and of itself a large drain on taxpayer $$, and soon to be greater.) But oh, how quickly that story faded away when the PD did not dominate the list (and many of the top PD o/t earners were brass).....And if u are talking about 'new' pcts, are u referring to new buildings ??? The original pcts were built in the 60's and long overdue to be replaced. Or are u talking about the 7th ? In that case , the county could have either added add'l sectors or made a new pct.. They chose to add a new house, and they should probably make an 8th pct..
BTW..you will NEVER see an independent PC in this county..it would take away control from the legislature (who approves the appointment) and the CE (who nominates the PC)...Remember..what do police and politics have in common??? POLI !!!!!

The police have the largest O/T budget out of any department; they also probably have the largest operating budget also, not to mention a large capital budget that has been
You realize every time we call the squad out or a specialized unit l,(k9, ) for a call, whether they are there for 1 minute or 1 hour, its a 1000 buck night?

U don't want sector cars cut but when there munching down at the diner for free for hours
ha, as archie would say..those were the days
havent even finished my meals in the past month.
and no thats not a complaint

not to mention a large capital budget that has been burying the taxpayer the last couple of years with "New" Precincts
How about the helicopters worth 2 mil sitting collecting dust?
How about the Hummer the motor carrier has?
The 17 durangos?
The take home cars for the chosen ones?
What does any of this have to do with the cop that comes to your house when your child's choking?

[Police Academy Instructor]

Great point. The only thing I would add to your last point is to hire a commissioner who can also think and act independently without the influence of Steve Levy.

That's a great idea. Do we really want a police commisioner who obeys his boss's orders?

That's a great idea. Do we really want a police commisioner who obeys his boss's orders
Down to the color of his g-string?

[Guest 26]

Great point. The only thing I would add to your last point is to hire a commissioner who can also think and act independently without the influence of Steve Levy.

That's a great idea. Do we really want a police commisioner who obeys his boss's orders?

No... we don't.

A commissioner should be chosen for his leadership skills and knowledge of the Police Department. He should be allowed to make his own decisions without the micro-management of the County Executive.

He should be viewed by the men and women that work under his command as their leader and not some political hack taking orders from "His Boss".

Steve Levy is micro-managing the PD with the sole intention to give the public a PERCEPTION of cost savings and effiecency. Meanwhile he is making bad decisions which is eroding the morale and integrity of the SCPD.

[justmeagain1]

They have no morality or intergity...it's just a uniform! And Guest: not only do I know it, the public for which U serve knows it too and alot more then U will ever know.

How about the helicopters worth 2 mil sitting collecting dust?
How about the Hummer the motor carrier has?
The 17 durangos?
The take home cars for the chosen ones?
What does any of this have to do with the cop that comes to your house when your child's choking?

Threats will get U no where, it's called CPR as$%^&. I need a $110,000 cop for that? They dispatch 1st responders from a volunteer service. Your out of your league, the cub scouts still have some openings during the week they need your leadership.

It'a all about ineffective managment down to the last rotten commissioner. Just wait till I make C/E, U boys will be walking my beat! 8th PCT sounds good to me in say, rocky point...any staff that lives west of babylon will now report to the new 8th @ 0700 hours. Signed, sealed, delivered! Or maybe a 0 pct where we can send alll the losers who live east of riverhead to babylon. We are open for ideas boys...cough them up?

[Police Academy Instructor]

A commissioner should be chosen for his leadership skills and knowledge of the Police Department. He should be allowed to make his own decisions without the micro-management of the County Executive.

Other than whining on a message board, what positive steps have you taken to advise the Suffolk legislature of your opinion.

He should be viewed by the men and women that work under his command as their leader and not some political hack taking orders from "His Boss".

True. But we live in the real world and in the real world the police are public pawns poised to serve the pleasures of the current politcal hack who was elected by a majority of people who voted.

Steve Levy is micro-managing the PD with the sole intention to give the public a PERCEPTION of cost savings and effiecency. Meanwhile he is making bad decisions which is eroding the morale and integrity of the SCPD.

Screw the PD's morale. They are well paid public servants. If a Suffolk police officer believes the commissioner is destroying morale he should confront the commissioner or find a line of work more suitable to his peevishly sensitive personality.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

Other than whining on a message board,The poster seeing how far along in life you've made it by engaging in such actions figured you could use a protege, you know like you are minnie me and he is the hairless cat

It'a all about ineffective managment down to the last rotten commissioner. Just wait till I make C/E, U boys will be walking my beat! 8th PCT sounds good to me in say, rocky point...any staff that lives west of babylon will now report to the new 8th @ 0700 hours. Signed, sealed, delivered! Or maybe a 0 pct where we can send alll the losers who live east of riverhead to babylon. We are open for ideas boys...cough them up?
How about the precinct of no crime?
Of sugar and spice?
just how many''boys'' have walked your beat?


ps no C/Es allowed that are perps, sorry, keep dreaming, sure its better than the reality you wake to

[Ditto Head]

Jealously is what I see in these anti-police posts. They look with an eye at what they wanted to be, could have been, should have been but now never will be. They may have taken the test and didn't pass or were passed over because they didn't measure up. They have had negative contact with the police and thought they should have been let go, but weren't. One guy whines he got his PBA card taken away and now he hates the county police forces. Tough, it isn't yours to begin with. So I look at these posts and just shake my head and laugh because I know not one of these posters would say what they are posting to my face.

Jealously is what I see in these anti-police posts. They look with an eye at what they wanted to be, could have been, should have been but now never will be. They may have taken the test and didn't pass or were passed over because they didn't measure up. They have had negative contact with the police and thought they should have been let go, but weren't. One guy whines he got his PBA card taken away and now he hates the county police forces. Tough, it isn't yours to begin with. So I look at these posts and just shake my head and laugh because I know not one of these posters would say what they are posting to my face.
Roger that this board enables the weak to say things to cops they never would in the real world.
Now every response is going to be ''i'm not scairt'' or whatever,but in reality every person I run into is more like 1st time offender, nervous and compliant, rat his own siamese twin out just to look good.

1intheno: The police have the largest O/T budget out of any department; they also probably have the largest operating budget also, not to mention a large capital budget that has been burying the taxpayer the last couple of years with "New" Precincts.
Its obvious U don't want sector cars cut but when there munching down at the diner for free for hours. It's time to get the ball rolling here. It’s all about money here, either shifted from the SOA to the PBA. U need not shut down sectors but U MUST REDEPLOY! U can easily remove any and most overtime by effectively deploying and administering the staff (including SOA & PBA) Something unheard of in the dept. for decades. It's time for an independent to clean up the waste that the department has harbored for DECADES! Mr. Dormer understands what can be done without all the Bull$^&*. Maybe that’s why living in the 80 was so good. And you haven’t heard the last from Steve-E. Let them do what they were hired to do, let the staff grumble too...because they will anyway. They are adult whiner and very good at it.

Do you know only 60-75 % of the taxes collected as ''police taxes'' goes to the funding of the police dept? The rest is used as the county exec pleases. There is no accountability for these funds. Not that they are putting the money in their pockets. But it may go to Social Services, or Highway Dept or whatever.Additionally the county gets huge grants and funding from the state and federal governments for its traffic enforcement and Dwis. Thats why the Dept wants movers on state and county roads, and gives awards as a motivator for top dwi cops.
Additionally for example, when the Us Open was out here, all overtime incurred was billed to the event, so when I was at the precicnt with a arrest or at the hospital with a nut, the county billed the Us Open.
The government(stevie and richie) has you poor souls eating out of its hands.

Screw the PD's morale. They are well paid public servants. If a Suffolk police officer believes the commissioner is destroying morale he should confront the commissioner or find a line of work more suitable to his peevishly sensitive personality.

Nah, I'll handle it the old fashion-way, less summons, less moving violations, less summons on a main''hi-accident location.'' Instead of heres 30 summons, 20 movers,'' it'll be ''here 20 brake and headlighters,with instructions on how to dismiss the ticket by the next day.'' That actually costs the county 3-4 dollars in paperwork.
Instead of investigating why the car full of punks is hanging out in a parking lot, and possibly recovering some weed, it'll be take their names and tell them to leave.
When the state gives out a seatbelt grant, there will be no volunteers for the o/t.
When its cell phone season, they'll get seatbelts, maybe.
These things come and go, Stevie started off big, got caught bad-mouthing certain people, and shut up for the rest of the year.
He stated matter of factly, he'll reign in O/t and salaries, the raise went thru, whether or not he was in office, it was in binding arbitration already, The O/t this year is up, but on paper its down, because it isnt overtime related, it is call related, less cops working means more calls holding. The average guy in my squad is up 40 hours from last year at this time.
Soon it will be warm, the calls will be up, and we will be busy, too busy to fill his agenda, and give him the stats hes looking for to prove hes doing something.
The rank and file always wins these morale battles, Stevie just has to be reminded every year, i guess.

Don't blame Levy & Dormer. This si nothing new, Suffolks always been this way. It's just that the taxpayers are finally realizing why we're always broke and the gov't workers aren't. We should all apply for public assistance and take a extended vacation.

[blame the c.e.]

Don't blame Levy & Dormer. This si nothing new, Suffolks always been this way. It's just that the taxpayers are finally realizing why we're always broke and the gov't workers aren't. We should all apply for public assistance and take a extended vacation
Why not when they are playing us worse than the cops?
The buck stops with the c.e., if hes messing with us and playing us vs. the cops while hes just spinning his wheels, shame on him.

[publicityhound]

Anyone catch rick brand's last newsday editorial (2 days ago). Mr. Levy said that he is going to conduct a taxpayer funded ad campaign in Huntington/Huntinton Station to counter the PBA's message.

Bet that will cost us at least 75k. Wow...negative press really seems to bother the little guy...

[SCPD PATROL 3]

How much has Levy cost the taxpayers of Suffolk when he rewarded those who assisted his campaign with promotions ( discounting the civil service ones)?? How much taxpayer money is he willing to spend countering the PBA?

When are his boys, Prospect and Baranello expected to go to court regarding their hijinks? I know Baranello fell on his sword and plead, but I thought he was going to cooperate. Where is the media followup to this. Newsday will attack the Republicans, but give the Dems a pass? HMMM!!

Don't blame Levy & Dormer. This si nothing new, Suffolks always been this way. It's just that the taxpayers are finally realizing why we're always broke and the gov't workers aren't. We should all apply for public assistance and take a extended vacation.
Been this way since 1960, time go back to the town police, here are the benefits:

- lower taxes.
- smaller patrol sectors
- better community relations due to the above benefit

What is the point of the county police aside from centralized services? They are to thinly spread and have no concept of community relations, no foot patrols, etc. The SCPD officers dont know the community and the community dont know the officers, very different from how it is in most parts of the US. Community relations are the key to fighting crime.

Also has anyone noticed that crime seems to rising in surbaban counties with a County PD and lowering in places with municpal forces and County Sheriff doing specialized work.

Been this way since 1960, time go back to the town police, here are the benefits:

- lower taxes.
- smaller patrol sectors
- better community relations due to the above benefit

What is the point of the county police aside from centralized services? They are to thinly spread and have no concept of community relations, no foot patrols, etc. The SCPD officers dont know the community and the community dont know the officers, very different from how it is in most parts of the US. Community relations are the key to fighting crime.

Are you for real???? Where the hell did you grow up?? In 1960 Suffolk County was considered to be the sticks. The population of all of Suffolk was the size of what one town is now. Many lived on unpaved roads where ours was the only house. There were woods where it was safe to "take the shortcut" thru them in order to get to the bus stop or your friends house.

How can you compare policing and crime back then to now?

[P.S.]

The SCPD officers dont know the community and the community dont know the officers

Wrong again.

The SCPD officers dont know the community and the community dont know the officers

Wrong again.
I cant name one officer that patrols my community, why? Becuse they never do foot patrols and spend the whole shift either patrolling the major roads or sitting in a parking lot somewhere.

[turbinator]

Becuse they never do foot patrols and spend the whole shift either patrolling the major roads or sitting in a parking lot somewhere.

And you know this how?????

I cant name one officer that patrols my community, why? Becuse they never do foot patrols and spend the whole shift either patrolling the major roads or sitting in a parking lot somewhere.

You'll learn the names of those who patrol your area after you've called them for whatever reasons where they write a report OR after they've written you a summons :lol: Foot patrol is during summer and usually a rookie, LOL.

[Ditto Head]

Are you kidding me???? just look at what the towns do with public safety, code enforcement and constables. Just look at Islip as a prime example. They are a joke.
Save money? Don't think so. The towns would have to hire P.O's, Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains and so on. Just many more of them since the town board member's brother always wanted to be a police lieutenant. You can pay them less, but what type of people would apply for and accept a job that pays $45,000 a year? No money would be saved since turnover would be constant and training costs run over $100,000.
Closer ties to the community? Don't think so. County civil service still would run the show. That means the police test would be given county wide and would be open to anyone. The list would be established from all eligble passing grades and the towns would have to hire off that list without regard to residence.

[TrollAlert]

To all the cops trying to post legitimate answers on this board:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IGNORE THE TROLLS THAT ARE TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO GIVING STUPID ANSWERS OR WASTING YOUR BREATH!!!

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are some civilians on this site (and some obvious cops to the west) that are getting their jollies on making you guys explain yourselves. You are letting them bait you into stating (in a public forum) that you will write less summonses, etc.

IGNORE THESE PEOPLE!!!

If someone want's to engage in meaningful debate, so be it. Just gloss over the posts of those saying that troopers should take over, the towns should go back to having their own police, or we should colonize the moon and cover our heads with tin-foil.

DONT WASTE YOUR BREATH ON THE IDIOTS LURKING ON THIS BOARD! For god sakes...you guys are smart enought to not get baited into petty disputes while you work (ergo "Don't you know I pay your salary", etc). Don't give in here.

These guys dont do dick. Period. Firehouse lounges and coffee klatches in municipal parking lots. Although, God Forbid, let your inspection expire and these guys can smell it like blood in the water.

Get a load of some of the BS in their posts. They are oblivious to the community they work in. They neither know nor care about the perception the public has of them. It's perfectly Ok for them to park a car in the FD Parking lot for hours on end. No problem to hide in a park the motor running.

Ditto Head... I dont blame you for defending your job. Admittedly, its better than mine, I just wouldnt bluster about it so much. Lets face it, for the most part, quality of life is maintained by the public ALL BY ITSELF, so while you break your arm patting yourself on the back, realize that you guys are very rarely seen, even more rarely heard and aside from true emergencies, spend no time making your presence known to the community you are paid very well to serve. Yours is an old, broken anachronism of Policing, called "crisis management". Meaning you all have no skills in Proactive Policing. It wrecked NYC in the 60's through the 90's. The difference here is LI doesnt have the apathy NYC did. We expect something better.

These guys dont do dick. Period. Firehouse lounges and coffee klatches in municipal parking lots. Although, God Forbid, let your inspection expire and these guys can smell it like blood in the water.

Well i'm sorry you didn't get your inspection done as required by New York State Vehicle and Traffic LAW, and got a summons, and now your a little sour. But if thats what you believe (probably cause you live in a well off area) come to Wyandanch, Mastic, Brentwood, Bayshore, or Central Islip and see for yourself what gets done!

lower taxes.
- smaller patrol sectors
- better community relations due to the above benefit
R u kidding me? Ever see some of the townies? Lower taxes because they rely on the County for anything more complex than a jaywalker, my local cop makes more than me, and I've got 15 years on scpd.
What happens when these local/town cops all have to buy or share equipment? Or do these local cops do without the services of a Homicide detective, or aviation?
Hey why dont you get yourself appointed to Levy's board,seems you got his same business sense, fool

Also has anyone noticed that crime seems to rising in surbaban counties with a County PD and lowering in places with municpal forces and County Sheriff doing specialized work
I've lived in Yaphank all my life, never had crime until the population passed 100, just like you feel society maintains its quality of life, I would imagine the same folks in society are responsible for the crime in your area.
Usually a small, tight knit, population has a municipal force, or as you put it municpal and thats usually because they dont have much crime.
Where as the suburban or as you put it surbaban county is full of gang bangers and child molesters and wife beaters ( and you say we dont know our constituents, hah)and has higher level of trash...er I mean crime.

[My interpretation]

These guys dont do dick. Period. Firehouse lounges and coffee klatches in municipal parking lots. Although, God Forbid, let your inspection expire and these guys can smell it like blood in the water.

Get a load of some of the BS in their posts. They are oblivious to the community they work in. They neither know nor care about the perception the public has of them. It's perfectly Ok for them to park a car in the FD Parking lot for hours on end. No problem to hide in a park the motor running.


Wah i flunked my physical

[My interpretation]

Get a load of some of the BS in their posts. They are oblivious to the community they work in. They neither know nor care about the perception the public has of them. It's perfectly Ok for them to park a car in the FD Parking lot for hours on end. No problem to hide in a park the motor running
Wah, i flunked my pysche

[My interpretation]

Ditto Head... I dont blame you for defending your job. Admittedly, its better than mine, I just wouldnt bluster about it so much. Lets face it, for the most part, quality of life is maintained by the public ALL BY ITSELF, so while you break your arm patting yourself on the back, realize that you guys are very rarely seen, even more rarely heard and aside from true emergencies, spend no time making your presence known to the community you are paid very well to serve. Yours is an old, broken anachronism of Policing, called "crisis management". Meaning you all have no skills in Proactive Policing. It wrecked NYC in the 60's through the 90's. The difference here is LI doesnt have the apathy NYC did. We expect something better.

Wah I only got a 84, and I'm 33 too old for the next test

These guys dont do dick. Period. Firehouse lounges and coffee klatches in municipal parking lots. Although, God Forbid, let your inspection expire and these guys can smell it like blood in the water.

Get a load of some of the BS in their posts. They are oblivious to the community they work in. They neither know nor care about the perception the public has of them. It's perfectly Ok for them to park a car in the FD Parking lot for hours on end. No problem to hide in a park the motor running.

Ditto Head... I dont blame you for defending your job. Admittedly, its better than mine, I just wouldnt bluster about it so much. Lets face it, for the most part, quality of life is maintained by the public ALL BY ITSELF, so while you break your arm patting yourself on the back, realize that you guys are very rarely seen, even more rarely heard and aside from true emergencies, spend no time making your presence known to the community you are paid very well to serve. Yours is an old, broken anachronism of Policing, called "crisis management". Meaning you all have no skills in Proactive Policing. It wrecked NYC in the 60's through the 90's. The difference here is LI doesnt have the apathy NYC did. We expect something better
Wah failed my background too many complaints

Meaning you all have no skills in Proactive Policing. It wrecked NYC in the 60's through the 90's. The difference here is LI doesnt have the apathy NYC did. We expect something better.


ok hire enough cops to cover areas appropriately then we'll talk about proactive.
There are roughly1400000 people living in the 5 towns suffolk covers,illegals included, covered by on a good day 200 patrol officers, spread over an area bigger than Nassau and the city put together

[May I butt in?]

Are you kidding me???? just look at what the towns do with public safety, code enforcement and constables. Just look at Islip as a prime example. They are a joke.
Save money? Don't think so. The towns would have to hire P.O's, Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains and so on. Just many more of them since the town board member's brother always wanted to be a police lieutenant.

Really? I don't think any township that might venture into this would start out with such an obviously top-heavy management structure. Face it, your brass-laden example as applied to the SCPD applies to the k9 unit, marine unit, avaition unit, recruitment, and each and every shift in each and every pct. It's already been pointed out that the obvious "solution" to the ever-increasing cost of policing Suffolk is to break out all of these specialized units and disban cope and dare and all this other nonproductive "fluff" and get the officers back out onto the streets where they belong.

We don't need cops processing pistol permits. We shouldn't put rubber-guns and light-duty or semi-injured cops into clerical positions, at "dangerous police work" pay. Put them out on worker's comp like everybody else who is injured and incapable of performing their duties. (Or at least pay them like clerics.)

I'll bet when push comes to shove, there are at least as many police NOT performing police duties, as there are actual cops out on the street fighting crime.


You can pay them less, but what type of people would apply for and accept a job that pays $45,000 a year? No money would be saved since turnover would be constant and training costs run over $100,000.

There is money to be saved in other areas than base pay alone, but let's start with that. Last 2 police exams over what, 2000 applicants? Sounds like supply overwhelms demand. That should naturally cause the commodity to decrease in value, but I guess not when there's a PBA and politics involved.

I suppose you think the NYPD are a bunch of bananas? They don't seem to have any problem recruiting Long Islanders for a much lower salary AND a much more dangerous job. THAT's the "kind of people" you'd attract at a lower pay. The same people as you. Don't forget, there was a time when ONE police officer on Long Island did not get paid more than the average HOUSEHOLD income. That's when and how all those civil-servant perks came to be. Comp time. A liberal and generous amount of personal and vacation and sick days. Banking sick and vacation time. None of this exists anymore in the private sector.

Salary aside, let's talk fringes. How many people working in the private sector do you think get 5-6 weeks vacation? How many do you think can sustain an on the job injury and be entitled to unlimited leave at full pay?

How many businesses do you think can operate with a policy that replaces every absent employee with another making 1 & 1/2 times the pay? (And PAYS the employee who isn't there) Not to mention the golden medical and dental coverage and a 20 year retirement plan.

Rather than respond to the above, sum it up with the million dollar question - do you think that if the net worth of all SCPD fringes was scaled back 33% and the base pay 25%, that the next test wouldn't attract any viable applicants?



Closer ties to the community? Don't think so. County civil service still would run the show. That means the police test would be given county wide and would be open to anyone. The list would be established from all eligble passing grades and the towns would have to hire off that list without regard to residence.

[/quote]

I'll bet when push comes to shove, there are at least as many police NOT performing police duties, as there are actual cops out on the street fighting crime
There are aproximately 2,500 sworn members, of which maybe 1,100 arre actually assigned to street patrol, of which maybe 200 officers patrolling.Really? I don't think any township that might venture into this would start out with such an obviously top-heavy management structure. Face it, your brass-laden example as applied to the SCPD applies to the k9 unit, marine unit, avaition unit, recruitment, and each and every shift in each and every pct. It's already been pointed out that the obvious "solution" to the ever-increasing cost of policing Suffolk is to break out all of these specialized units and disban cope and dare and all this other nonproductive "fluff" and get the officers back out onto the streets where they belong.

We don't need cops processing pistol permits. We shouldn't put rubber-guns and light-duty or semi-injured cops into clerical positions, at "dangerous police work" pay. Put them out on worker's comp like everybody else who is injured and incapable of performing their duties. (Or at least pay them like clerics.)
No argument there
As far as the new officers, the union made some concessions, their payscale will always be somewhat behind ours. what I find absolutelty incredulous is within this contract, academy recruits will be making 60 grand. To study run and shine shoes.

How many do you think can sustain an on the job injury and be entitled to unlimited leave at full pay?
Gee could that have something to do with the nature of our job, y'know bulets and stuff like that, you ever get out of you car on the LIE and have some 2 ton chunk o' metal miss you by 4 inches at 70 mph? How about when you talk to a 15 year old girl whos off her meds who snaps and does her best to scratch you eyes out?
Oh yeah, you are not answering 911 calls or playing in traffic, we are, thats why, because at least once a month someone forgets red means stop and t-bones us. How many businesses do you think can operate with a policy that replaces every absent employee with another making 1 & 1/2 times the pay? (And PAYS the employee who isn't there
There is no Overtime or no minimum staffing policies at your job? So if you are working and no one shows up to relieve you, and you get a 911 call of a mva with injuries, you just go home? Oh yeah, you probably punch in at 9 and punch out at 5, if you dont show up what ever file you are filing can sit another day or two.
btw not every absent police officer incurs overtime, there are relief drivers, people who just fill in other cars, when the person calls in or is on vacation.Not to mention the golden medical and dental coverage and a 20 year retirement plan.
Gee my buddy works at a hospital, non union blue collar job, gets everything free, and vests after 5 years.Don't forget, there was a time when ONE police officer on Long Island did not get paid more than the average HOUSEHOLD income
Don't know where you live but, i have a mason on my right, who cleared 130k, and a lawyer on my left, who doesnt discuss his salary on my right, across from me is a owner of a horse stable, who boards and trains horses, her manager makes my salary, so lord knows what kind of loot she makes. I am the low man on the pole in my 'hood.How many people working in the private sector do you think get 5-6 weeks vacation[quote]
This is a toughy, School Teachers work how many days? 180?

[NO way Jose]

[/quote]
ok hire enough cops to cover areas appropriately then we'll talk about proactive.
There are roughly1400000 people living in the 5 towns suffolk covers,illegals included, covered by on a good day 200 patrol officers, spread over an area bigger than Nassau and the city put together[/quote]

There are already more than enough cops. See any riots on the street? No. Backlog of calls? Hardly. Criminals running rampant? Ain't happening. 90% of the Island is law abiding, sleepy quiet bedroom communities. This isn't the South Bronx.

lower taxes.
- smaller patrol sectors
- better community relations due to the above benefit
R u kidding me? Ever see some of the townies? Lower taxes because they rely on the County for anything more complex than a jaywalker, my local cop makes more than me, and I've got 15 years on scpd.
What happens when these local/town cops all have to buy or share equipment? Or do these local cops do without the services of a Homicide detective, or aviation?
Hey why dont you get yourself appointed to Levy's board,seems you got his same business sense, fool
Some town police forces in CT and NJ are well over 300 sworn officers and have their own avation, SWAT, K9, specialized detectives, etc

[John Q. Public]

Rather than respond to the above, sum it up with the million dollar question - do you think that if the net worth of all SCPD fringes was scaled back 33% and the base pay 25%, that the next test wouldn't attract any viable applicants?

I am not surprised this question went unanswered. :)

There is a plethora, if not scores of Long Islanders who are qualified to wear the uniform of Suffolk's Finest.

As the civil service list expire every four years, a new crop of competent people are available to perform the mundane tasks a police officer routinely performs.

I'm sure all of these qualified folks would be more than happy to serve their community for thousands of dollars less than officers are current making.

I'll bet there are a few here who disagree with me. They won't admit it here, but the boys in Suffolk blue know they are on the tit.

[MeToo1]

They bitch and moan about staffing, the "Dangerous" level of the job and try and defend their absurd salary, most often changing the entire focus of the post. That's what they do; they are distracters, taught to diffuse situations w/ words. If it's to scary, retire or quit, let real man and woman perform the job functions. I'd know U would get plenty of applicants for less. The boys are beyond the tit. They will fight to the end for their "Entitlements". The public should demand more cops on THE STREET, yes that means REDEPLOYMENT of the force, NOT new hires. (Or at least not under the current contract). SAVE YOUR COUNTY NOW before it is overtaking by the minority few. They constantly compare their salaries to their neighbors so NYC is our neighbor - $85K MAX, work more days/yr, etc. Wait till I analyze that contact! Their is so much more that the public just doesn't know. Again state cops would be better here. Replace them all, after all, they were all town cops anyway, that's their roots. The public let it get away for too long. Times R a changing!

See any riots on the street? No. Backlog of calls? Hardly. Criminals running rampant? Ain't happening. 90% of the Island is law abiding, sleepy quiet bedroom communities.
Ha, I live in stonybrook, there are over 100 known gang members and 14 child molesters.
You need to get your head out of the sand, just because newsday doesnt have a complete crime blotter, doesnt mean it dont happen.

Some town police forces in CT and NJ are well over 300 sworn officers and have their own avation, SWAT, K9, specialized detectives, etc
And... the cost out here for towns would be huge, like it was mentioned the towns out here are paid comparable to SCor NC depts but dont have the overhead of carrying the specialized units, since they use ours, its ironic because in general the towns police taxes are lower, makes you wonder where the other County collected police taxes are going...Social Services, Highway Dept.. who knows, certainly you folks dont .

Rather than respond to the above, sum it up with the million dollar question - do you think that if the net worth of all SCPD fringes was scaled back 33% and the base pay 25%, that the next test wouldn't attract any viable applicants?


I am not surprised this question went unanswered.

IF
Who cares, its a hypothetical question, doesnt affect me I'm already working, go ask that on the test threads

As the civil service list expire every four years, a new crop of competent people are available to perform the mundane tasks a police officer routinely performs.

I'm sure all of these qualified folks would be more than happy to serve their community for thousands of dollars less than officers are current making.

I'll bet there are a few here who disagree with me. They won't admit it here, but the boys in Suffolk blue know they are on the tit
Other than your extreme hatred and jealousy what stats are you basing this on?
By the way, the new recruits are entering at a different payscale and will always be paid less

They bitch and moan about staffing, the "Dangerous" level of the job and try and defend their absurd salary, most often changing the entire focus of the post. That's what they do; they are distracters, taught to diffuse situations w/ words. If it's to scary, retire or quit, let real man and woman perform the job functions. I'd know U would get plenty of applicants for less. The boys are beyond the tit. They will fight to the end for their "Entitlements". The public should demand more cops on THE STREET, yes that means REDEPLOYMENT of the force, NOT new hires. (Or at least not under the current contract). SAVE YOUR COUNTY NOW before it is overtaking by the minority few. They constantly compare their salaries to their neighbors so NYC is our neighbor - $85K MAX, work more days/yr, etc. Wait till I analyze that contact! Their is so much more that the public just doesn't know. Again state cops would be better here. Replace them all, after all, they were all town cops anyway, that's their roots. The public let it get away for too long. Times R a changing
I dont defend my salary, I earn it after sitting at a calculator ive discovered that I've earned the state over 70,000 The county over 43,000 The town over 12,000 and between the 3 villages i work over 3,000.
Additionally because of my work the county received grants and funding in excess of 10000.
When we made 85,000 I made the roughly 2/3s the money for these governmental bodies, assuming the fines currently in place for the various crimes and traffic offenses are the same.
Now considering we are in the 2nd year of a 5 year contract, I seriously doubt we will be going to 85 grand anytime soon.

Again state cops would be better here
You are quite funny, the state will not patrol on a local jurisdiction and answer 911 calls. The state basically is responsible for patrolling State roads, any more they do is just being a good cop

Replace them all, after all, they were all town cops anyway, that's their roots. The public let it get away for too long. Times R a changing!
no not really, while the current admin is just too lame to redeploy the ranks in a more efficient way, not much is actually going to change, the police arent going anywhere, we are too big a source of income for the county, the public really has no say.
What you need to do is go figure out where the rest of the taxes you pay for the police are going.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

Some town police forces in CT and NJ are well over 300 sworn officers and have their own avation, SWAT, K9, specialized detectives, etc

Ok I live in a town out east, I currently pay over 400 a year for police services, relying on the County for special services, so including the special services, what will my new bill be?600-700?
You trolls should think before you post.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

See any riots on the street? No
What was that little thing in wyandanch, you know the one where the precinct had to call out to other precincts, because they could not handle a high- school brawl? And subsequently found a handgun hidden in a bathroom, several ''kids '' were trying to enter.
Now before you rag about how we couldnt handle kids, understand that those ''kids'' would tear you up.
You want riots, fights when it warms up hit the movies, the security guards are making felony possession arrests.

See any riots on the street? No. Backlog of calls? Hardly. Criminals running rampant? Ain't happening. 90% of the Island is law abiding, sleepy quiet bedroom communities
Right you mean like C.I., Brentwood, Amytville, Crimedaynch, Gordon Heights, Ridge,Mastic, Shirley, Huntington, Sound beach,Medford, Bellport, Selden,Flanders, Moriches, south bronx... no not yet, sleepy little community, maybe 15 years ago

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

No. Backlog of calls? Hardly.
Gee, when I get into my car at 300 pm on a average day, there are 10-15 calls waiting to be answered, and its the slow season.
Where do you trolls come up with this stuff?

Criminals running rampant
In my lovely little chunk of Suffolk i call a sector, there are over 45 non- misdemeanor warrants running loose, 12 felony warrants, and a additional 4 out of other jurisdiction warrants, there are 4 cars stolen that are driven daily, 1 other car with stolen plates, 17 suspended drivers driving daily, so yes criminals are running rampant.
I know the rebuttal to this is why do i let them go, I don't just havent caught them yet, when I got this sector last august year there were 22 more warrants and 2 stolen cars, its just a matter of time.

[Sprawl of the Trolls]

Wait till I analyze that contact
Oh-boy I could imagine, let us know if you need help with them big woids

[TryThis]

Term-in-na-tion!

Term-in-na-tion!
promotion;
: act of raising in rank or position [ant: demotion] 3: encouragement of the progress or growth or acceptance of something [syn: furtherance, advancement] 4: the advancement of some enterprise; "his experience in marketing resulted in the forwarding of his career" [syn: forwarding, furtherance]
and this
raise;To increase in size, quantity, or worth: raise an employee's salary
and this
overtime;Time beyond an established limit, as:
Working hours in addition to those of a regular schedule.
Sports. A period of playing time added after the expiration of the set time limit.
Payment for additional work done outside of regular working hours
Those be the ones you got to get used to sucker

[me2&3]

U 2 funny man....
Try IAB or CCRB.....figure them out yet ?
Median income - reduction in salary AND O/T.
Patrol - Where U look for crime ?
Whinning - Your Whole Dept.
Babys - men with uniforms
Sucker - take a look in the mirror
Abuse of law, rights and freedoms - SCPD ?
Demotion - as in Chiefs to Captain, Inpectors to Captain.
Learn them, learn them good! :roll:

U 2 funny man....
Try IAB or CCRB.....figure them out yet ?
Median income - reduction in salary AND O/T.
Patrol - Where U look for crime ?
Whinning - Your Whole Dept.
Babys - men with uniforms
Sucker - take a look in the mirror
Abuse of law, rights and freedoms - SCPD ?
Demotion - as in Chiefs to Captain, Inpectors to Captain.
Learn them, learn them good
Iab -they love me
CCRB, would matter been there done that, talk about a waste of 200-k
Median income means avarage salary, like the median income for a SCPD with 300 hours o/t is 120k
Patrol where you go to homes and arrest people for beating their children
Whinning- freudian slip on your part meaning winning
babys? horrible grammar an uneducated person s attempt to write BABIES
sucker thats u
Abuse of laws rights freedom, people under arrest
Promotion as in out of patrol to a command of my choosing
How about pay raise- 2% over the next 3 years
Overtime 3 months in and I'm over 120 hours in the bank

U 2 funny man....
Try IAB or CCRB.....figure them out yet ?
Median income - reduction in salary AND O/T.
Patrol - Where U look for crime ?
Whinning - Your Whole Dept.
Babys - men with uniforms
Sucker - take a look in the mirror
Abuse of law, rights and freedoms - SCPD ?
Demotion - as in Chiefs to Captain, Inpectors to Captain.
Learn them, learn them good!
Better ones for you
how about;
Powerless?
Empty words?
No say in the matter?
Unimportant?
pow·er·less ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pour-ls)
adj.
Lacking strength or power; helpless and totally ineffectual.
Lacking legal or other authority.

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power·less·ly adv.
power·less·ness n.

[May I butt in?]

See any riots on the street? No. Backlog of calls? Hardly. Criminals running rampant? Ain't happening. 90% of the Island is law abiding, sleepy quiet bedroom communities.
Ha, I live in stonybrook, there are over 100 known gang members and 14 child molesters.
You need to get your head out of the sand, just because newsday doesnt have a complete crime blotter, doesnt mean it dont happen.

Doesn't mean what doesn't happen? Crime? There are 14 child molesters in your neighborhood and you think this fact backs you up?

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[quote]How many do you think can sustain an on the job injury and be entitled to unlimited leave at full pay?

Gee could that have something to do with the nature of our job, y'know bulets and stuff like that, you ever get out of you car on the LIE and have some 2 ton chunk o' metal miss you by 4 inches at 70 mph? How about when you talk to a 15 year old girl whos off her meds who snaps and does her best to scratch you eyes out?
Oh yeah, you are not answering 911 calls or playing in traffic, we are, thats why, because at least once a month someone forgets red means stop and t-bones us.

How many businesses do you think can operate with a policy that replaces every absent employee with another making 1 & 1/2 times the pay? (And PAYS the employee who isn't there

There is no Overtime or no minimum staffing policies at your job? So if you are working and no one shows up to relieve you, and you get a 911 call of a mva with injuries, you just go home? Oh yeah, you probably punch in at 9 and punch out at 5, if you dont show up what ever file you are filing can sit another day or two.
btw not every absent police officer incurs overtime, there are relief drivers, people who just fill in other cars, when the person calls in or is on vacation.Not to mention the golden medical and dental coverage and a 20 year retirement plan.
Gee my buddy works at a hospital, non union blue collar job, gets everything free, and vests after 5 years.Don't forget, there was a time when ONE police officer on Long Island did not get paid more than the average HOUSEHOLD income

Don't know where you live but, i have a mason on my right, who cleared 130k, and a lawyer on my left, who doesnt discuss his salary on my right, across from me is a owner of a horse stable, who boards and trains horses, her manager makes my salary, so lord knows what kind of loot she makes. I am the low man on the pole in my 'hood.How many people working in the private sector do you think get 5-6 weeks vacation[quote]
This is a toughy, School Teachers work how many days? 180?

- That's too funny - you compare your working days to SCHOOL TEACHERS? Do you seriously think that's a good, average example to base anything by? By the way, school teachers are NOT working in the private sector.

-Wonderful for your mason. For 130k he's not making what an average mason does. The stable manager is not rank & file. My wife manages a warehouse and does pretty well, but the rank & file beneath her don't come close to what she makes.

-If you're going to use comparables to justify your salaries, then you can't cherrypick you have to use an average. The AVERAGE household income in Suffolk County is LOWER than 75,000.00. The AVERAGE household has 1.89 working adults. Suffice it to say, one Suffolk PO makes more than the average working couple COMBINED.

-As for the unlimited sick time - many jobs are dangerous or hazardous. But regardless of how safe or how dangerous your employment happens to be, everyone (except P.D.) is forced to use the State worker's comp system. So, every month you're t-boned? Every week you're shot at? Every shift you have to fend off an attack? You've gotta be joking if you expect anyone to believe that.

-You really expect the public to believe your example of a nonunion blue collar hospital employee proves full medical, dental, and pension benefits are commonplace and easy to obtain anymore? Any and every pension vests in 5 years that's the law. But how good is it? Do you think it's guranteed? Ask the Microsoft employees, or the Enron employees, or those who worked for United Airlines.

-"Minimum staffing requirements" in the private sector? You're joking, right? Do you think if someone is out for a sickness, or personal day that the company calls in a backup? This isn't the fault of the officer who uses a negotiated benefit, it's the fault of the county for negotiating a contract where officers have to be covered by other officers on overtime. The insult to injury is both are being paid. I'm all for personal days - but at your expense not the taxpayers.

Doesn't mean what doesn't happen? Crime? There are 14 child molesters in your neighborhood and you think this fact backs you up?
Right, no problem, ahh ignorance is bliss
comeback when you know a little about how pedophiles act and how they are never ''cured''
tool

That's too funny - you compare your working days to SCHOOL TEACHERS? Do you seriously think that's a good, average example to base anything by? By the way, school teachers are NOT working in the private sector.

-Wonderful for your mason. For 130k he's not making what an average mason does. The stable manager is not rank & file. My wife manages a warehouse and does pretty well, but the rank & file beneath her don't come close to what she makes.

-If you're going to use comparables to justify your salaries, then you can't cherrypick you have to use an average. The AVERAGE household income in Suffolk County is LOWER than 75,000.00. The AVERAGE household has 1.89 working adults. Suffice it to say, one Suffolk PO makes more than the average working couple COMBINED.

-As for the unlimited sick time - many jobs are dangerous or hazardous. But regardless of how safe or how dangerous your employment happens to be, everyone (except P.D.) is forced to use the State worker's comp system. So, every month you're t-boned? Every week you're shot at? Every shift you have to fend off an attack? You've gotta be joking if you expect anyone to believe that.

-You really expect the public to believe your example of a nonunion blue collar hospital employee proves full medical, dental, and pension benefits are commonplace and easy to obtain anymore? Any and every pension vests in 5 years that's the law. But how good is it? Do you think it's guranteed? Ask the Microsoft employees, or the Enron employees, or those who worked for United Airlines.

-"Minimum staffing requirements" in the private sector? You're joking, right? Do you think if someone is out for a sickness, or personal day that the company calls in a backup? This isn't the fault of the officer who uses a negotiated benefit, it's the fault of the county for negotiating a contract where officers have to be covered by other officers on overtime. The insult to injury is both are being paid. I'm all for personal days - but at your expense not the taxpayers. [quote]
the average suffolk home, and so what? hey a mason charges 40-50 per hour depending on materials, go research it. understand rich areas pay their county employees more, the difference is the ones living here who cant afford to live here anymore just bitch and moan and think things are going to change, i havent ran into a person working who makes less than me in my neighorhood, does this median income INCLUDE the illegals and teenagers making 5 a hour?
Whether or not I'm involved in a shooting, stabbing , fistfight or any other altercation the threat of it is there, we do not have unlimited sick time its line of duty injury, and as much as we are not shot at everyday or t-boned everyday, we arent on line of duty injury leave everyday, its only when we are injured which we are at risk for everyday.
I dont care if that benefits package posted is easy to obtain, you are responsible for obtaining these things for yourself, if you look around, in a place like a hospital they are quite commonplace, a college, etc. in life there are no guarantees, sorry cant help you there.
What about private school teachers?
right minimum staffing requirements dont exist for jobs that arent vital to day to day running of a business or a job like ours, these things happen again in places like hospitals, firehouses etc there is a mandatory minimum, the only way around that is to have double the staff you need so if every car called in sick you would have enough spare bodies. the county has no choice but to fill the cars anyway they can, otherwise they are open to lawsuits and fines.
look the job is what it is, there is no changing it, things you are posting about seem a little out of your reach.

If you're going to use comparables to justify your salaries, then you can't cherrypick you have to use an average. The AVERAGE household income in Suffolk County is LOWER than 75,000.00. The AVERAGE household has 1.89 working adults. Suffice it to say, one Suffolk PO makes more than the average working couple COMBINED
So suffolk cops make a couple bucks over the average, oh well.
needless to say, there are hundreds of jobs and individuals that make more, thats life.

You really expect the public to believe your example of a nonunion blue collar hospital employee proves full medical, dental, and pension benefits are commonplace and easy to obtain anymore? Any and every pension vests in 5 years that's the law. But how good is it? Do you think it's guranteed? Ask the Microsoft employees, or the Enron employees, or those who worked for United Airlines
again its hard for me to feel bad for you as i put on my body armor, load my gun and kiss my family goodbye, not knowing if tonight is the night, dramatic , no its our reality, ask Po Hernandez's family, The constable that got shot, the two detectives in the city, what guarantees do we have.

So, every month you're t-boned
No every month one of the 165 officer/ detectives i personally know, are involved in a mva,
if you read the papers, just last weeks 6 cops were hit by a perp up in mt. sinai, several are still out.
that stuff happens all the time, no one cares unless the story reads good.
notice it mentions in the story which civilians were unfortunatley involved, but nothing about what officers almost were killed.
and the month prior, again in mt. sinai, some dwi hit a deps car fled and hit 2 cops. that enough?
there are 16 officer out with line of duty injury in my pct several waiting clearance from med to have surgery.that enough?

If you're going to use comparables to justify your salaries, then you can't cherrypick you have to use an average. The AVERAGE household income in Suffolk County is LOWER than 75,000.00. The AVERAGE household has 1.89 working adults. Suffice it to say, one Suffolk PO makes more than the average working couple COMBINED
again, i stand by my original statement, in my neighborhood there are dozens or people who make more than me, I'm not jealous, insecure or think'' hey i work harder than them'',(like the lady on the corner who owns a beauty salon) i realize that i had most opportunities to take a job like some of those and did not, but i have a good career, and if they are happy thats fine.
you are wasting a lot of time crying about things that wont change. police make the county money, they pay their own way with arrests and summons.that is why we have a ''quota'' and it has gone from under 10 to over 18 in the past 10 years.
the taxes you pay do not go into a seperate police budget, it goes into the general fund, more smoke and mirrors, if i was you i'd be asking the govt, where is the taxes i pay for the cops going?

[So what about it?]

Doesn't mean what doesn't happen? Crime? There are 14 child molesters in your neighborhood and you think this fact backs you up?
Right, no problem, ahh ignorance is bliss
comeback when you know a little about how pedophiles act and how they are never ''cured''
tool

14 pedophiles you know about. Cured? Doesn't happen. Are you trying to convey the notion you're somehow keeping them all in check?

[So what about it?]

[quote]the average suffolk home, and so what? hey a mason charges 40-50 per hour depending on materials, go research it.

Either you're playing dumb, or you're just ignorant. When you speak of your mason neighbor, is he an employee or a self-employed independant contractor? Does he get paid for not working? What if he's hurt on the job, does he sit home until he recuperates at full pay? Is there "rubber trowel" masonary work to stick him in until he's better?


understand rich areas pay their county employees more, the difference is the ones living here who cant afford to live here anymore just bitch and moan and think things are going to change,

"Rich areas" - yes, Suffolk has it's rich areas but it also has it's poor areas. If your pay is justified by, and based on how "rich" the people of Suffolk County are you'd have to take into account all socioeconomic indicators. Do S.C.C.C. professors make 85 grand? No. Do clerks make 85 grand? No. You're cherrypicking examples not representative of a cross-section of the public.


i havent ran into a person working who makes less than me in my neighorhood, does this median income INCLUDE the illegals and teenagers making 5 a hour?


It includes ALL income divided by ALL those of working age. It wouldn't include illegals who don't have documented income.


Whether or not I'm involved in a shooting, stabbing , fistfight or any other altercation the threat of it is there, we do not have unlimited sick time its line of duty injury, and as much as we are not shot at everyday or t-boned everyday, we arent on line of duty injury leave everyday, its only when we are injured which we are at risk for everyday.
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You're proving my point. Yours is not the only job where there are, or there is a rick of injury every day. What other profession do you know of that keeps it's employees, incapable of performing their assigned duties employed until they're healing? Name ONE.


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I dont care if that benefits package posted is easy to obtain, you are responsible for obtaining these things for yourself, if you look around, in a place like a hospital they are quite commonplace, a college, etc. in life there are no guarantees, sorry cant help you there.


What is not commonplace is a full comprehensive benefits package AND a salary that's higher than the average HOUSEHOLD income with no degree necessary. It's not only uncommon, it's unheard of.


What about private school teachers?
right minimum staffing requirements dont exist for jobs that arent vital to day to day running of a business or a job like ours, these things happen again in places like hospitals, firehouses etc there is a mandatory minimum, the only way around that is to have double the staff you need so if every car called in sick you would have enough spare bodies. the county has no choice but to fill the cars anyway they can, otherwise they are open to lawsuits and fines.


In any job where minimum staffing is so vital, of course a missing body would be replaced. The difference is, that job would not encourage, by way of negotiations, paid personal days. sick leave, or the ability to take unscheduled vacation days off. An employee who took days off liberally would end up without a job.


look the job is what it is, there is no changing it, things you are posting about seem a little out of your reach.


Yes, the job is what it is but that doesn't mean taxpayers cannot be heard. Levy has a mandate from the public to reign in the extravagences of the SCPD. Policing Suffolk could not be such a complex operation that it requires more officers behind desks and supervising than actually out on the front lines.

The situation wouldn't be so bad IF the pulic actually got some bang for the buck, but we're not even getting that.

[Boo Hoo Hoo]

You really expect the public to believe your example of a nonunion blue collar hospital employee proves full medical, dental, and pension benefits are commonplace and easy to obtain anymore? Any and every pension vests in 5 years that's the law. But how good is it? Do you think it's guranteed? Ask the Microsoft employees, or the Enron employees, or those who worked for United Airlines
again its hard for me to feel bad for you as i put on my body armor, load my gun and kiss my family goodbye, not knowing if tonight is the night, dramatic , no its our reality, ask Po Hernandez's family, The constable that got shot, the two detectives in the city, what guarantees do we have.

Dramatic? Hardly. A convenience store clerk is more likely not to come home tonight. Sorry about Hernandez, but he's not the only Suffolk employee to die in a 1-car crash on a rainy night. Should we start paying them all 85 grand too?

14 pedophiles you know about. Cured? Doesn't happen. Are you trying to convey the notion you're somehow keeping them all in check
no read the post, the issue is what a wonderful little slice of amercicana we live in, the point was even in ''nice areas'' of suffolk there is plenty of crap the average shmoes dont know about. That is whats being conveyed, this aint mayberry, anyone referring to 90% of suffolk as a sleepy little community is sleeping too heavy

Either you're playing dumb, or you're just ignorant. When you speak of your mason neighbor, is he an employee or a self-employed independant contractor? Does he get paid for not working? What if he's hurt on the job, does he sit home until he recuperates at full pay? Is there "rubber trowel" masonary work to stick him in until he's better?

Don't know never asked, what does that have to do with anything, he makes 130k a year. period, are we going to debate the payscale of masons now?
no, in fact hes never missed a day of work, due to a injury

Rich areas" - yes, Suffolk has it's rich areas but it also has it's poor areas. If your pay is justified by, and based on how "rich" the people of Suffolk County are you'd have to take into account all socioeconomic indicators. Do S.C.C.C. professors make 85 grand? No. Do clerks make 85 grand? No. You're cherrypicking examples not representative of a cross-section of the public.


No you are interpreting, my statement was that I was the poor man on my block, the rest was your imagination running wild.

You're proving my point. Yours is not the only job where there are, or there is a rick of injury every day. What other profession do you know of that keeps it's employees, incapable of performing their assigned duties employed until they're healing? Name ONE
Why do i have to? You cannot be fired due to a line of duty injury, if the county feels you are not permanently disabled you are held line of duty.It is their call, not ours.
My guess is any job where you are required to be in 100% physical shape in order to perform all your duties up to and including dpf.
Probably isnt many out there thats the problem you keep trying to compare this job to a clerks or a accountant, problem there is the 3 inch scar on my belly from a razor attack, the torn ligament in my knee from my last roll around, and the fused discs in my back from the 3rd time a drunk plowed into me.

What is not commonplace is a full comprehensive benefits package AND a salary that's higher than the average HOUSEHOLD income with no degree necessary. It's not only uncommon, it's unheard of.


oh well, my best friend started a business right out of high school, at 35 years old he sold the business for just under 1.5 million with his house fully paid for.
lets rag on him for doing well, making good life choices.

In any job where minimum staffing is so vital, of course a missing body would be replaced. The difference is, that job would not encourage, by way of negotiations, paid personal days. sick leave, or the ability to take unscheduled vacation days off. An employee who took days off liberally would end up without a job.

again oh well, deal with it.

Yes, the job is what it is but that doesn't mean taxpayers cannot be heard. Levy has a mandate from the public to reign in the extravagences of the SCPD. Policing Suffolk could not be such a complex operation that it requires more officers behind desks and supervising than actually out on the front lines.

The situation wouldn't be so bad IF the pulic actually got some bang for the buck, but we're not even getting that
Levy is smoke and mirrors, at the same time he pretends to be cutting back on patrol, which is a huge scam, not one officer was reassigned from midnights to the night tour, the cars were reassigned. The county isnt saving any money until there is overtime, they will have a few extra spare bodies.
Levy is rebuilding 2 precincts and making new digs for the folks at headquarters, buying new uniform design, more suvs for bosses, new toys for road sgts, tazers, 22 calibers, some talk of beanbag guns.
Additionally he has put another lt inside the pcts to supervise the civilians, which used to be a captains job. Now the captains have more time to go to brunch with the other white-shirts.
Levy and Dormer are messing with you folks. In ways you dont even know.

You really expect the public to believe your example of a nonunion blue collar hospital employee proves full medical, dental, and pension benefits are commonplace and easy to obtain anymore? Any and every pension vests in 5 years that's the law. But how good is it? Do you think it's guranteed? Ask the Microsoft employees, or the Enron employees, or those who worked for United Airlines

again its hard for me to feel bad for you as i put on my body armor, load my gun and kiss my family goodbye, not knowing if tonight is the night, dramatic , no its our reality, ask Po Hernandez's family, The constable that got shot, the two detectives in the city, what guarantees do we have.


Dramatic? Hardly. A convenience store clerk is more likely not to come home tonight. Sorry about Hernandez, but he's not the only Suffolk employee to die in a 1-car crash on a rainy night. Should we start paying them all 85 grand too?


Right and hopefully the store clerk has the prescence of mind to kiss his family goodbye as well.

You're proving my point. Yours is not the only job where there are, or there is a rick of injury every day. What other profession do you know of that keeps it's employees, incapable of performing their assigned duties employed until they're healing? Name ONE
Name a job that requires you to wear a bullet resistant vest, carry a gun, pepperspray and a nitestick to hit people with. name ONE
Name a job that requires you to be outside in any weather condition in hazardous road conditions telling people who dont seem to understand what flares and cones and cars with party lights all over them mean as they bear down at you at some ridiculous speed.
Name a job that requires you to respond to houses with hazardous or infectious materials and being there prior to a emt or a hazmat expert says'' this sh*t is bad, everyone put protective gear on.''
Cant compare a patrol cop to any other single job. Thats the problem you are having

[Guest 26]

Yes, the job is what it is but that doesn't mean taxpayers cannot be heard. Levy has a mandate from the public to reign in the extravagences of the SCPD. Policing Suffolk could not be such a complex operation that it requires more officers behind desks and supervising than actually out on the front lines.

The situation wouldn't be so bad IF the pulic actually got some bang for the buck, but we're not even getting that
Levy is smoke and mirrors, at the same time he pretends to be cutting back on patrol, which is a huge scam, not one officer was reassigned from midnights to the night tour, the cars were reassigned. The county isnt saving any money until there is overtime, they will have a few extra spare bodies.
Levy is rebuilding 2 precincts and making new digs for the folks at headquarters, buying new uniform design, more suvs for bosses, new toys for road sgts, tazers, 22 calibers, some talk of beanbag guns.
Additionally he has put another lt inside the pcts to supervise the civilians, which used to be a captains job. Now the captains have more time to go to brunch with the other white-shirts.
Levy and Dormer are messing with you folks. In ways you dont even know.

First - thanks for keeping to the topic here.

Second.. you are absolutely right about Levy and Dormer. Making changes to give the appearance of cutting back on wasteful spending is all they are doing.

I hope the public starts to realize this within the next few years so we can elect a real County Executive who will appoint a real Police Commissioner.

A convenience store clerk is more likely not to come home tonight
Yes we all know a clerk is more likely to be shot than a cop, maybe he should invest in a good vest.
that whole thing is misleading, the #1 danger to the patrol officer is the general public driving on the roads. Moire cops are hurt or killed in mvas than anything else.

What other profession do you know of that keeps it's employees, incapable of performing their assigned duties employed until they're healing? Name ONE
You know I offered to come back full duty right after I broke my ankle hopping a fence after a bad guy, but they said it would look funny walking up to the door of a violent domestic on my crutches...go figure.

Levy is smoke and mirrors, at the same time he pretends to be cutting back on patrol, which is a huge scam, not one officer was reassigned from midnights to the night tour, the cars were reassigned. The county isnt saving any money until there is overtime, they will have a few extra spare bodies.
Levy is rebuilding 2 precincts and making new digs for the folks at headquarters, buying new uniform design, more suvs for bosses, new toys for road sgts, tazers, 22 calibers, some talk of beanbag guns.
Additionally he has put another lt inside the pcts to supervise the civilians, which used to be a captains job. Now the captains have more time to go to brunch with the other white-shirts.
Levy and Dormer are messing with you folks. In ways you dont even know.


First - thanks for keeping to the topic here.

Second.. you are absolutely right about Levy and Dormer. Making changes to give the appearance of cutting back on wasteful spending is all they are doing.

I hope the public starts to realize this within the next few years so we can elect a real County Executive who will appoint a real Police Commissioner
Anyone hear the rumor how stevie had 2 p.os in a unmarked unit by his friends house, 24/7 for a week after he received threatining phone calls?must be nice.
and yes there was overtime incurred

[Icarus]

I've been a cop with the SCPD for over 16 years. In that time I've WATCHED a cop get killed, arrived seconds after another cop was killed, seen many others get seriously injured and even more suffer "minor" injuries. I've been in more vehicle pursuits, foot pursuits and roll arounds than I can count. I've also been injured several times. When I took this job I knew the risks involved. However, I have learned that the risks are even more serious than I ever thought. Until you actually do my job you need to keep quiet. You really have no idea what you are talking about. If what we do is so easy and so overly compensated why don't you try it for yourself? Most likely the only time you have ANY balls at all is on this anonymous forum. I seriously doubt you have what it takes. You would piss yourself the first time someone said BOO. Unless or until you actually do what I do your ridiculous opinions mean nothing. You sound like a jealous fool who didn't score high enough on the exam or couldn't pass the psyche test or you are a lazy fat slob who gets out of breath walking to the fridge.

[Guest 26]

Anyone hear the rumor how stevie had 2 p.os in a unmarked unit by his friends house, 24/7 for a week after he received threatining phone calls?must be nice.
and yes there was overtime incurred[/quote]

I believe it. Steve Levy is the biggest liar and hypocrite out there.

By the way.. saw the Organ Grinder and Dormer the Performer T-Shirt yesterday. Awesome!!

You sound like a jealous fool who didn't score high enough on the exam or couldn't pass the psyche test or you are a lazy fat slob who gets out of breath walking to the fridge
Right, hiding behind his '' concern'' over the Depts spending to take potshots at us.Yet his posts are the usual uninformed stereotypical b/s.
Go research where your taxes go, there is no seperate budget for the police taxes, the taxes collected under police taxes goes directely into the general budget.
You will see more taxes are collected than needed for the Police dept. budget.Where is the money going?
Then research what the patrol division actually costs, not personnel, not the fleet, not the paperwork, uniforms not supervisors or k-9, not the million dollar helicopters, just the salaries of the patrol division, there are less than 1,000 patrol officers, yet over 2400 total sworn members.
And again understand that a AVERAGE officer who meets the monthly minimum stats of arrests and summons will make the Dept. money.

you're going to use comparables to justify your salaries, then you can't cherrypick you have to use an average. The AVERAGE household income in Suffolk County is LOWER than 75,000.00. The AVERAGE household has 1.89 working adults. Suffice it to say, one Suffolk PO makes more than the average working couple COMBINED
Who says we are justifying anything? We make what we make, dont like it, thats your right, want to moan about it, thats fine too, but if you think I or many of us feel we must prove or justify anything you are wrong.
You are mistaken I thought this was a conversation about what we make and what we deal with, although it actually started out as how the county is abusing its workforce. Not a defense of my career.

Rich areas" - yes, Suffolk has it's rich areas but it also has it's poor areas. If your pay is justified by, and based on how "rich" the people of Suffolk County are you'd have to take into account all socioeconomic indicators. Do S.C.C.C. professors make 85 grand? No. Do clerks make 85 grand? No. You're cherrypicking examples not representative of a cross-section of the public
Again my pay doesnt need to be justified, it is what it is. I dont fret about what the general perception is of me and my job. If a person sits down and has a mature conversation with me or probably most any cop, he will hear how on one occasion or another he earned his entire life's paycheck on one call.

again, i stand by my original statement, in my neighborhood there are dozens or people who make more than me, I'm not jealous, insecure or think'' hey i work harder than them'',(like the lady on the corner who owns a beauty salon) i realize that i had most opportunities to take a job like some of those and did not, but i have a good career, and if they are happy thats fine
Probably because you are a fairly secure well-adjusted person confident and happy in your own life,to constantly worry about what other people are making or how much better off someone is who is ''less deserving''. Or you are just too busy worrying about real life than ''keeping up with the jones'' mentality pervasive on this thread.

[Huntington Resident]

To all the fine SCPD members. Got the PBA flyer in the mail and immediately call Levy's office. Of course only got to talk to an assistant, but chewed his ear off for a half hour. Told him that we pay big taxes and want FULL police protection, ALL over the town. Do not rob peter to pay paul. If they have to move around cars then they should hire more cops. He said they didn't want cops sitting around when nothing is going on. I asked him if he had a crystal ball and knew when someone was gonna get hacked to death or shot. I told him the nature of the job is for it to sometimes be quiet and then for the S...t to hit the fan. We want a proactive, not reactive dept. Bottom line is....ya get what you pay for.

P.S. Still waiting for a call back from SL!!!

[k-9]

Any truth to the story that scpd gets a shipment of dogs from Germany whenthey are training new police dogs, usually around 6 to 10 about a year old, unseen by anyone over here, from the ten they train them all for a couple months until they figure out which dog is the best, then if the rest is not needed they give the dogs away. Also the cost of the dogs shipped over is in excess of 2 and upwards of 4 thousand dollars per dog. Then they train them for a couple months at our expense, then the one that is staying goes for more training and in the meantime he annd the cop are off the road, for up to another 6 months?
Isnt there a better way(cheaper) of getting a dog, I understand you want a qualtiy dog and all, but to give away say 10000 dollars in dogs isnt fair to the taxpayers footing the bill.

[Juggs]

Fantastic job with nabbing the gang of pedophile/perverts. I tend to bitch & moan (oh my) :lol: but I have to admit right here is probably one of the safest places anywhere.

[Mr. Reality]

Probably isnt many out there thats the problem you keep trying to compare this job to a clerks or a accountant, problem there is the 3 inch scar on my belly from a razor attack, the torn ligament in my knee from my last roll around, and the fused discs in my back from the 3rd time a drunk plowed into me.

Sorry to learn you were injured. According to OSHA stats you are one of the unlucky officers who suffered a non-fatal work related assault.

Did you know police officers rank 8th on OSHA's list of non-fatal work related assaults?

Look where police officers rank in the death on the job catergory:

Many occupations more dangerous than a Police Officer



We frequently hear police officers complain how dangerous their jobs are, using guilt as a motivator to extract support for increased pay or protection from consequences of officer misconduct.

After September 11, it became almost impossible to criticize police officers' misbehavior without prefacing comments with genuflections toward officers' relative "heroism." "They risk their lives for us every day," was the common refrain. And of course, in a sense, that's true.

Police officers' jobs are more dangerous than most -- 12.1 officers per 100,000 die on the job annually compared with 4.3 per 100,00, which is the national average for all occupations. But many common jobs are much more dangerous than a police officer's, including groundskeepers, farmers, airline pilots, construction workers, and truck drivers.

Police are trained to approach potential threats with overwhelming force, and are outfitted with numerous safety technologies (vests, helmets, etc.) that make their on-the-job deaths much less likely than for, say, lumberjacks. Multiple officers provide backup frequently even for routine traffic stops. And harsh punishment of copkillers -- both ill treatment while in official hands and the threat of capital punishment -- creates dramatic incentives even for the worst bad guys to avoid killing a peace officer.

Indeed, a great many police deaths involve traffic accidents or friendly fire. Here's a list compiled from federal sources concerning the relative danger of several jobs with higher-than-average fatality rates:

Occupations more dangerous than being a police officer:

Number of deaths per 100,000 employed Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, 2000

Timber cutting 122.1

Fishermen 108.3

Airplane pilots 100.8

Farmers 33.0

Miners 30.0

Construction laborers 28.3

Truck drivers 27.6

Groundskeepers 14.9

Laborers (non-construction) 13.2

Ranchers 13.0

Bus drivers 12.9

Police and detectives 12.1

National average: 4.3

[Mr. Reality]

Cant compare a patrol cop to any other single job. Thats the problem you are having

I just did...stats like this don't lie.

[Mr. Reality]

[quote] Moire cops are hurt or killed in mvas than anything else.

You are right. Since the police first started using cars, motor vehicle related incidents have been the number one cause for officer expiring in the LOD.

Which leaves one wondering, "why?"

[Me2again]

They need more wasteful training in EVOC! And what does the average PO earn, not $110,000 base salary but w/ O/T it's probably closer to $130,000 not to mention the sgt's, lt's captains etc.....Thanks for the death comparison...seems since they put on the uniform they have become an "Expert" on everything. The only expert they have become is relating to how arrogant they R and how much whining they can do. They tend to ignore all the stats except the ones that are vague and missleading, explaining that U can't comapre A to B. Same old sad story. GIVE US BACK OUR COUNTY NOW OR GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP!

[OnewhoCares]

As a civilian, I am appauled at what Levy/Dormer are doing. I pay high taxes for police protection and I expect a police officer to come quickly to my home if I should need one. How can this be done if Levy is cutting back cops on the night shift ? My question is, what can the average taxpayer do to stop it ???

Moire cops are hurt or killed in mvas than anything else.


You are right. Since the police first started using cars, motor vehicle related incidents have been the number one cause for officer expiring in the LOD.

Which leaves one wondering, "why?"
For the same reason our wonderful County Exec wants us to just patrol hi-accident areas, the average citizen is so self-absorbed in his own world, doesnt know what courtesy is, yellow light means nail it, red, nail it and honk, red lights behind you either ignore it or come to a dead stop right there.
And then there are the drunks, whom apparently are attracted to flashing red lights and head right for them, the good taxpayers who run for whatever reason.

Sorry to learn you were injured. According to OSHA stats you are one of the unlucky officers who suffered a non-fatal work related assault.

Did you know police officers rank 8th on OSHA's list of non-fatal work related assaults?

Look where police officers rank in the death on the job catergory:

Many occupations more dangerous than a Police Officer



We frequently hear police officers complain how dangerous their jobs are, using guilt as a motivator to extract support for increased pay or protection from consequences of officer misconduct.

After September 11, it became almost impossible to criticize police officers' misbehavior without prefacing comments with genuflections toward officers' relative "heroism." "They risk their lives for us every day," was the common refrain. And of course, in a sense, that's true.

Police officers' jobs are more dangerous than most -- 12.1 officers per 100,000 die on the job annually compared with 4.3 per 100,00, which is the national average for all occupations. But many common jobs are much more dangerous than a police officer's, including groundskeepers, farmers, airline pilots, construction workers, and truck drivers.

Police are trained to approach potential threats with overwhelming force, and are outfitted with numerous safety technologies (vests, helmets, etc.) that make their on-the-job deaths much less likely than for, say, lumberjacks. Multiple officers provide backup frequently even for routine traffic stops. And harsh punishment of copkillers -- both ill treatment while in official hands and the threat of capital punishment -- creates dramatic incentives even for the worst bad guys to avoid killing a peace officer.

Indeed, a great many police deaths involve traffic accidents or friendly fire. Here's a list compiled from federal sources concerning the relative danger of several jobs with higher-than-average fatality rates:

Occupations more dangerous than being a police officer:

Number of deaths per 100,000 employed Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, 2000

Timber cutting 122.1

Fishermen 108.3

Airplane pilots 100.8

Farmers 33.0

Miners 30.0

Construction laborers 28.3

Truck drivers 27.6

Groundskeepers 14.9

Laborers (non-construction) 13.2

Ranchers 13.0

Bus drivers 12.9

Police and detectives 12.1

National average: 4.3





Anonymous wrote:
Cant compare a patrol cop to any other single job. Thats the problem you are having


I just did...stats like this don't lie.

Quick question on every one of these deaths, who was the first person to arrive there, to render medical aid or assist the people rendering medical aid, until someone more qualified arrived, who assisted in transport, investigating the incident, informing the family of the incident.
Ever go to a home to pick up a spouse and her 2 children, knowing full well her husband is hamburger meat, and attempt to drive them to the hospital calmly without any emotion, because thats your job?
You still cant compare.

They need more wasteful training in EVOC
I've often mumbled that to the knucklehead driving in front of me chatting on the phone, eating his big mac while i'm attempting to get to a priority call, lights and sirens

...seems since they put on the uniform they have become an "Expert" on everything. The only expert they have become is relating to how arrogant they R and how much whining they can do. They tend to ignore all the stats except the ones that are vague and missleading, explaining that U can't comapre A to B. Same old sad story. GIVE US BACK OUR COUNTY NOW OR GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP!
Gee, there seem to be experts everywhere maybe thats the problem.
I have to admit some cops are quite arrogant, but in retrospect when you hire from the local area, you are going to get the attitude of the local population.
It is quite arrogant to believe the County is yours, it was here before you were born, and it will be here well after you leave.
The only ship out of here is for the people who can no longer afford living here, may be time to realize the facts.
Taxes, gas, energy, consumable goods are all going up, some folks are going to have to realize there are choices they are going to have to make.

Police are trained to approach potential threats with overwhelming force
Overwhelming force give me a break, I cannot even get one car on the backup for a stolen car, we are so undermanned
And harsh punishment of copkillers -- both ill treatment while in official hands and the threat of capital punishment -- creates dramatic incentives even for the worst bad guys to avoid killing a peace officer
Out here? you libs would freak.

As a civilian, I am appauled at what Levy/Dormer are doing. I pay high taxes for police protection and I expect a police officer to come quickly to my home if I should need one. How can this be done if Levy is cutting back cops on the night shift ? My question is, what can the average taxpayer do to stop it ???
for now make a stink, make a few phone calls, and God forbid if you are ever in a emergency situation and you are waiting call the news
when the time arrives;
vote against steve

Police officers' jobs are more dangerous than most -- 12.1 officers per 100,000 die on the job annually compared with 4.3 per 100,00, which is the national average for all occupations. But many common jobs are much more dangerous than a police officer's, including groundskeepers, farmers, airline pilots, construction workers, and truck drivers.


Right but whos talking just about death, every emergency situation one of the first people on the scene is a cop, whether medical, criminal, hazmat, pyschiatric, fire. Whether a officer is hurt,or exposed to infectious disease, chemical contamination. While we have some basic training in those areas, we are far from experts. Ever get poked by a needle during a search of a perp?
It takes about a year from the incident to be cleared of any infectious disease, one year of being careful with your family.

[SCPD PATROL 3]

Thank you and the many other residents who are taking action concerning the shut down of sector cars. Your actions will make a difference now and hopefully in the 2007 CE election. Remember who has made the decision to jeopardize your safety. I know WE will not forget come 2007!

One who cares: As an earlier post recommended, make calls to your legislator as well as Levy's office. Let as many people in your community know what's going on and advise them to do the same. Levy should remember that every call coming into his office is most likely a vote against him in 2007. His administration has not been kind to the patrol bureau of the SCPD. They worry about money and make cuts where? The officers on the street? Hey, Stevie, where'd you get your business degree? Why do we have soooo many high ranking bosses making much more than the cop on the street, pushing and shuffling papers? Politics? Why not eliminate those jobs and then look at the huge amount of money you'd save. You have no idea how hard you are making things for us in the street as well as the public. WAKE UP!!

Any truth to the story that scpd gets a shipment of dogs from Germany whenthey are training new police dogs, usually around 6 to 10 about a year old, unseen by anyone over here, from the ten they train them all for a couple months until they figure out which dog is the best, then if the rest is not needed they give the dogs away. Also the cost of the dogs shipped over is in excess of 2 and upwards of 4 thousand dollars per dog. Then they train them for a couple months at our expense, then the one that is staying goes for more training and in the meantime he annd the cop are off the road, for up to another 6 months?
Isnt there a better way(cheaper) of getting a dog, I understand you want a qualtiy dog and all, but to give away say 10000 dollars in dogs isnt fair to the taxpayers footing the bill.
Pretty much on target, not sure if the dogs are just given away or if you have to purchase or donate money to SCPD, either way someones paying 2x for a dog, yet another sign of Dept mismanagement of our tax money.
The real kicker is the officer takes care of the dog, but we pay for the dogs food and medical, when the dog retires the officer can keep him.

Sorry to learn you were injured. According to OSHA stats you are one of the unlucky officers who suffered a non-fatal work related assault.

Did you know police officers rank 8th on OSHA's list of non-fatal work related assaults?

Look where police officers rank in the death on the job catergory:

Many occupations more dangerous than a Police Officer



We frequently hear police officers complain how dangerous their jobs are, using guilt as a motivator to extract support for increased pay or protection from consequences of officer misconduct.

After September 11, it became almost impossible to criticize police officers' misbehavior without prefacing comments with genuflections toward officers' relative "heroism." "They risk their lives for us every day," was the common refrain. And of course, in a sense, that's true.

Police officers' jobs are more dangerous than most -- 12.1 officers per 100,000 die on the job annually compared with 4.3 per 100,00, which is the national average for all occupations. But many common jobs are much more dangerous than a police officer's, including groundskeepers, farmers, airline pilots, construction workers, and truck drivers.

Police are trained to approach potential threats with overwhelming force, and are outfitted with numerous safety technologies (vests, helmets, etc.) that make their on-the-job deaths much less likely than for, say, lumberjacks. Multiple officers provide backup frequently even for routine traffic stops. And harsh punishment of copkillers -- both ill treatment while in official hands and the threat of capital punishment -- creates dramatic incentives even for the worst bad guys to avoid killing a peace officer.

Indeed, a great many police deaths involve traffic accidents or friendly fire. Here's a list compiled from federal sources concerning the relative danger of several jobs with higher-than-average fatality rates:

Occupations more dangerous than being a police officer:

Number of deaths per 100,000 employed Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, 2000

Timber cutting 122.1

Fishermen 108.3

Airplane pilots 100.8

Farmers 33.0

Miners 30.0

Construction laborers 28.3

Truck drivers 27.6

Groundskeepers 14.9

Laborers (non-construction) 13.2

Ranchers 13.0

Bus drivers 12.9

Police and detectives 12.1

National average: 4.3
Thanks for the reading, and we certainly welcome your input, but this thread is about Dormer and Levy screwing the taxpayer, if you want to post about the cops and corruption and what an easy job they have, Please go start your own thread.
Perhaps you realize no one would answer you so you are trolling our discussion?

[Me2again]

Thanks for the reading, and we certainly welcome your input, but this thread is about Dormer and Levy screwing the taxpayer, if you want to post about the cops and corruption and what an easy job they have, Please go start your own thread.
Perhaps you realize no one would answer you so you are trolling our discussion?

--U don't own the thread, go back to the bars and gin-joints to discuss your pathetic issues. The poster had a point that needed to be addressed and who r U, nobody to moderate what gets discussed in this fourm. This is about Dormer, Levy & the deptpartment. WHAT A SHOW!

--U don't own the thread, go back to the bars and gin-joints to discuss your pathetic issues. The poster had a point that needed to be addressed and who r U, nobody to moderate what gets discussed in this fourm. This is about Dormer, Levy & the deptpartment. WHAT A SHOW!

Relax there, the poster simply asked very politely if you or whomever could stick to the topic. If you want to discuss whether or not cops out here are overpaid, or just bash them ingeneral, there are plenty of threads out there covering this. Or you could simply start your own.

[Sound of the Police]

Nice little story, a few weeks ago Mr. levy was giving a little speech at a ceremony at a senior citizen home. Naturally he began bragging about how much money he would save the county, with his service cuts in the Police Dept.He began stating how scheduled overtime is down a whopping 6% from this time last year. And went on to say how no one will be affected, since the police dept is so professional etc.
This didnt sit well with the Seniors there, who feel they already wait too long for emergency transport to hospitals.So my dad's roommate blurted out''Arent you just cutting these services because the union beat you fair and square with their contract, so you are taking it out on us?"
levy asked for the assembly not to disrupt the services, at which point about 1/2 the crowd walked out.
So you can see the latest spin. For those of you who dont know scheduled o/t is when there is a manpower shortage, unscheduled is when officers working, say, 7x3 are stuck on a call past 3. This happens for a variety of reasons arrest, hi-priority calls and sometimes a backlog of calls due to a manpower shortage.
Well yes Mr.C.E. sheduled o/t is down by 6%, but unscheduled O/t is up by 68%...hmmm seems the C.E. strikes out again.

[sound of the police]

And what does the average PO earn, not $110,000 base salary but w/ O/T it's probably closer to $130,000 not to mention the sgt's, lt's captains etc.....
Yeah so? Jenna Jameson made over 5 million dollars last year, never left her bed, or got off her butt, unless the script read to shoot the scene in a elevator.
WHO CARES

U don't own the thread, go back to the bars and gin-joints to discuss your pathetic issues. The poster had a point that needed to be addressed and who r U, nobody to moderate what gets discussed in this fourm. This is about Dormer, Levy & the deptpartment. WHAT A SHOW!
Not quite as good as the one your daughter puts on

U don't own the thread, go back to the bars and gin-joints to discuss your pathetic issues. The poster had a point that needed to be addressed and who r U, nobody to moderate what gets discussed in this fourm. This is about Dormer, Levy & the deptpartment. WHAT A SHOW!


Speaking of pathetic issues, your spelling gets worse every post
deptpartment? department
fourm you mean 4m or forum?
I guess its better to discuss pathetic issues, than to be pathetic with issues, huh, F.O.P?

[Spare me will ya]

Quick question on every one of these deaths, who was the first person to arrive there, to render medical aid or assist the people rendering medical aid, until someone more qualified arrived, who assisted in transport, investigating the incident, informing the family of the incident.
Ever go to a home to pick up a spouse and her 2 children, knowing full well her husband is hamburger meat, and attempt to drive them to the hospital calmly without any emotion, because thats your job?
You still cant compare.

Spare us the heart-wrenching sob stories. Who is the first person?
Probably a civilian who isn't even getting paid a dime to do the right thing. The one that dialed 911. The next person is either an overpaid cop who races to the scene (and 15 more for backup who are now all going to rack up a few hours overtime.) Or a volunteer EMT who has seen more death, guts, blood, gore and chopmeat than any of you EVER will and they don't ask for one red cent.

You're not helping your cause by pointing out the rarities and the once in a blue-moon events as if they occur to every cop every day.

[Icarus]

If our job is so easy and we are so overpaid why are you sitting on the sidelines? Either put up or shut up.

Quick question on every one of these deaths, who was the first person to arrive there, to render medical aid or assist the people rendering medical aid, until someone more qualified arrived, who assisted in transport, investigating the incident, informing the family of the incident.
Ever go to a home to pick up a spouse and her 2 children, knowing full well her husband is hamburger meat, and attempt to drive them to the hospital calmly without any emotion, because thats your job?
You still cant compare.

Spare us the heart-wrenching sob stories. Who is the first person?
Probably a civilian who isn't even getting paid a dime to do the right thing. The one that dialed 911. The next person is either an overpaid cop who races to the scene (and 15 more for backup who are now all going to rack up a few hours overtime.) Or a volunteer EMT who has seen more death, guts, blood, gore and chopmeat than any of you EVER will and they don't ask for one red cent.

You're not helping your cause by pointing out the rarities and the once in a blue-moon events as if they occur to every cop every day.

Shut up ricky rescue buff moron. Go stuff your face down at the ambulance garage and do what you do best. You ghouls hope and pray for "a code" so that you can play with all of the ambulances equipment. You relish the demise of your fellow neighbors for your own sick twisted pleasure. Go back to the fire department posts and go stroke yourself with your wanna be buddies.

Spare us the heart-wrenching sob stories. Who is the first person?
Probably a civilian who isn't even getting paid a dime to do the right thing. The one that dialed 911. The next person is either an overpaid cop who races to the scene (and 15 more for backup who are now all going to rack up a few hours overtime.) Or a volunteer EMT who has seen more death, guts, blood, gore and chopmeat than any of you EVER will and they don't ask for one red cent
Read the post again numnuts, who is the first person to ARRIVE,if we arrive 1st on the scene dont we see the same ''blood,death, poop vomit, et al''the vollies do. Not someone who is already there I clearly made that point. Unless there is a crime involved it isnt very likely more than one or 2 cops will show up. And unless it happened at 5 of the hour it is even less likely that o/t will occur.
The vollies are great out here, but they have a little problem out here called life, jobs, families etc, they arent always on the scene all too quick. Not a complaint just a fact, another fact as all scpd are emts, and many including myself are volunteers at our local fd and see all the ''death,guts,blood,gore, and chopmeat, '' that the vollies see, both as the 1st cop on the scene and as a vollie.
Keep hating us, its healthy

[NSUH paramedic]

Spare us the heart-wrenching sob stories. Who is the first person?
Probably a civilian who isn't even getting paid a dime to do the right thing. The one that dialed 911. The next person is either an overpaid cop who races to the scene (and 15 more for backup who are now all going to rack up a few hours overtime.) Or a volunteer EMT who has seen more death, guts, blood, gore and chopmeat than any of you EVER will and they don't ask for one red cent.

You're not helping your cause by pointing out the rarities and the once in a blue-moon events as if they occur to every cop every day
You are so wrong, the 1st radio dispatched person on the scene in Suffolk is almost always a P.O. Whether or not these '' blue-moon events '' occur every day or every 3 days they occur more often than you realize, the po will be there, fairly well train in BLS and will hold the fort until a Paramedic or rescue unit show up.
If you ever had a emergency at your house, you would know this.
Certainly if you ever do, no matter what you currently think of cops you'll be relieved to see them.

I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn...Grandma yelling about " I called Steves office and blah blah blahhh...You guys are the best!!!"

Its called Chain of Command you pathetic whining little summons clerks. You want to be C.E. and make all the rules then run. Like one of your comrades said "put up or shut up".

Better yet, lets see the patrol cop in action. How about some patrol once in a while. How about a sector actually patrolling. I never see ya.

[Me2again]

http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/ccrb/home.html
The link for NYC, Suffolk's link comming soon.

I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn...Grandma yelling about " I called Steves office and blah blah blahhh...You guys are the best
No there is no problem exchanging opinions with open minded, intelligent,informed people. But for the most part, the opinions here are ''you guys don't do nuttin'' ''you make too much'' ''what medical emergencies do cops respond to'' ,Stereotypical, uninformed b/s backed by the 1497calls I responded to, 432 summons I wrote and 67 arrests I made last year in less than 200 days of patrol. And no I wasnt on Vacation, I also worked the desk, several hospital assignments, court appearances for the felony arrests.Its called Chain of Command you pathetic whining little summons clerks. You want to be C.E. and make all the rules then run. Like one of your comrades said "put up or shut up".

Better yet, lets see the patrol cop in action. How about some patrol once in a while. How about a sector actually patrolling. I never see ya
Well thats because the chain of command has told us to ''put up or shut up'' on the main roads, specifically roads where multiple mvas occur, writing summons. Sorry whatever happens on the side roads we are too busy following orders.
Besides havent you had enough of us at your front door?
stupid cow.

The link for NYC, Suffolk's link comming soon.
Excellent, more 100k a year jobs for the lineage of the Chiefs, think your taxes are high now? ha
Figure at every ccrb hearing, the officer involved, pba rep,lawyer, lt from iab, sgt, from iab, lets say 5 person panel, figure minimum of 4 meeting per complaint, the way our complaints are handled,
the officer hired on overtime to replace the officer being investigated, and possibly the pba rep;
minimum 6 thousand dollars a meeting better pick up that second job you were thinking about.

Spare us the heart-wrenching sob stories. Who is the first person?
Probably a civilian who isn't even getting paid a dime to do the right thing. The one that dialed 911. The next person is either an overpaid cop who races to the scene (and 15 more for backup who are now all going to rack up a few hours overtime.) Or a volunteer EMT who has seen more death, guts, blood, gore and chopmeat than any of you EVER will and they don't ask for one red cent.

You're not helping your cause by pointing out the rarities and the once in a blue-moon events as if they occur to every cop every day I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn...Grandma yelling about " I called Steves office and blah blah blahhh...You guys are the best!!!"

Its called Chain of Command you pathetic whining little summons clerks. You want to be C.E. and make all the rules then run. Like one of your comrades said "put up or shut up".

Better yet, lets see the patrol cop in action. How about some patrol once in a while. How about a sector actually patrolling. I never see ya.
Isnt it funny the same few ignorant wankers who constantly criticize the who, what, where, when and how of the SCPD, have'nt the foggiest of what we actually do out here? You would figure if someone was going to post here, they'd at least have the common sense to find out what a SCPD's involvement in a 911 aided call is, and if they show up for all of them. So at least they didnt make themselves look completely incompetent. Maybe they just want to rag on us?
hmmm wonder why?Did life deal you a bad hand? Is that the green eyed monster peaking thru, or are you just insecure?

I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn
I see, so we arent as open minded as you? Dont take this the wrong way but it seems as soon as someone disagrees with you, or your partners in happiness, we are called all kinds of hurtful names;
overpaid cop SC primadonnas pathetic whining little summons clerks
seems like we arent the only arrogant ones roaming this board troll

[Arrogant?!?!?!]

Bottom line, they could administer a test today and hire 2000 qualified cops at 50 grand a year. With fewer days off, 30 year retirement and a 50/50 benefit package.

[Arrogant and ignorant]

Bottom line, they could administer a test today and hire 2000 qualified cops at 50 grand a year. With fewer days off, 30 year retirement and a 50/50 benefit package
You are ignorant they do hire cops at 50 grand a year with fewer days off,there is a 30 year retirement plan, and it is county benefits package, all county employes get the same package.

Bottom line, they could administer a test today and hire 2000 qualified cops at 50 grand a year. With fewer days off, 30 year retirement and a 50/50 benefit package.
Bottom line, gas could be 15 cents a gallon, baseball players could make only 1 million dollars a year, lawyers could charge under 100 $ a hour, a 2 day stay in the hospital could cost less then 3 grand, a house could be bought for under 200k, and Hillary Rodham Clinton could be president, and have a weiner transplant.
But in reality.......

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[Arrogant and Ignorant]

another winner heard from, thanks for the input

I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn
Right, and I suppose the only opinions you want here are anti-government, anti-police, funny how people are not too upset about spending 30 grand+ for an inmate to have a roof over his head, work out and get his college education, or for the average crakhead living off the tax till costing 20+.Y
Yet the opposite end of the spectrum the police protecting them aint worth their salary, and there are far more jailbirds and welfare fatcats than scpd.

Again,thanks for the reading, and we certainly welcome your input, but this thread is about Dormer and Levy screwing the taxpayer, if you want to post about the cops and corruption and what an easy job they have, Please go start your own thread.
Perhaps you realize no one would answer you so you are trolling our discussion?

[just the facts ma'am]

I suppose the only opinion these SC primadonnas want to see here is their pwn
thats the problem you are stating your opinion, based on your prejudice, hatred, jeaulousy against us.
We are stating facts based on reality, of what we deal with, not our opinion.
big difference

[Mr. Reality]

...and 67 arrests I made last year in less than 200 days of patrol.

It seems kind of pointless to ask an anonymous person a serious question but I will give it a try.

Of the 67 arrests you made, how many of these prisoners were transported to the station house and either released with a DAT or compelled to stand before a judge before they were released from custody.

In other words, how many of your 67 arrests were real arrests and not arrests where the violator was issued a summons and released at the scene?

Two other questions. Of the 67 arrests you made last year, how many were for possession of a loaded firearm and how many were for violent felonies?

Thanks.

It seems kind of pointless to ask an anonymous person a serious question but I will give it a try.

Of the 67 arrests you made, how many of these prisoners were transported to the station house and either released with a DAT or compelled to stand before a judge before they were released from custody.

In other words, how many of your 67 arrests were real arrests and not arrests where the violator was issued a summons and released at the scene?

Two other questions. Of the 67 arrests you made last year, how many were for possession of a loaded firearm and how many were for violent felonies?

Thanks.
Sure I have no problem bragging.
Of the 67 arrests about 15 were issued summons at the scene and released, but that is allowable in my jurisdiction up to an e felony, with clearance from a boss up to a c felony.I've done that up to cpcs 5th.
Around 5-6 for menacing with a firearm, one rifle found rest on a witnesses statement. I've backed up on 2 arrests with a rifle, and 3 committals involving rifles where they were confiscated.
I'm guessing I showed up at around 70 violent calls, involving assaults or robberies or domestics. If you would include felony Dwi/ LSA type mvas charges I've been on around 7 of those. In the case where I was the first officer on the scene, I was too busy attending to the victims to make arrests
Made arrests on 19 violent felony charges ranging from assault 2 to the Big Kahuna murder 2.
You asked you got it.

[True-Reality]

Around 5-6 for menacing with a firearm, one rifle found rest on a witnesses statement. I've backed up on 2 arrests with a rifle, and 3 committals involving rifles where they were confiscated.
I'm guessing I showed up at around 70 violent calls, involving assaults or robberies or domestics. If you would include felony Dwi/ LSA type mvas charges I've been on around 7 of those. In the case where I was the first officer on the scene, I was too busy attending to the victims to make arrests
Made arrests on 19 violent felony charges ranging from assault 2 to the Big Kahuna murder 2.
You asked you got it.
Two other questions. Of the 67 arrests you made last year, how many were for possession of a loaded firearm and how many were for violent felonies
Kid, you sound like a real cop,active, going places, but you've got a bunch to learn.
Todays's lesson, dont brag, be humble, people like mr reality post here because they are miserable, just hanging on to what they got, they are not in the least interested in hearing what cops really do.
And the second big lesson, every call you go on is a gun call. period. Dont ever forget that, always be aware of the piece of steel on your side.

And the second big lesson, every call you go on is a gun call. period. Dont ever forget that, always be aware of the piece of steel on your side.


Amen.

Here we go. It was only a matter of time. The East Cupcake raiders are gonna start posting their activity... Wow. 19 whole felonies? Oh boy, better slow down with the Harrassment and Discon Collars. Go ahead and piss and moan about Levy, while you write your 450 summonses and put a ton of dough into the county.
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[Ditto Head]

Dis Con and Harassment seem like much better collars than what I have been reading about in the news papers regarding the big job. Arresting victims of crime for assault 3 for defending themselves. For shame, who thought that one up? Padding stats to show crime reduction?

[Mr. Reality]

It seems kind of pointless to ask an anonymous person a serious question but I will give it a try.

Of the 67 arrests you made, how many of these prisoners were transported to the station house and either released with a DAT or compelled to stand before a judge before they were released from custody.

In other words, how many of your 67 arrests were real arrests and not arrests where the violator was issued a summons and released at the scene?

Two other questions. Of the 67 arrests you made last year, how many were for possession of a loaded firearm and how many were for violent felonies?

Thanks.
Sure I have no problem bragging.
Of the 67 arrests about 15 were issued summons at the scene and released, but that is allowable in my jurisdiction up to an e felony, with clearance from a boss up to a c felony.I've done that up to cpcs 5th.
Around 5-6 for menacing with a firearm, one rifle found rest on a witnesses statement. I've backed up on 2 arrests with a rifle, and 3 committals involving rifles where they were confiscated.
I'm guessing I showed up at around 70 violent calls, involving assaults or robberies or domestics. If you would include felony Dwi/ LSA type mvas charges I've been on around 7 of those. In the case where I was the first officer on the scene, I was too busy attending to the victims to make arrests
Made arrests on 19 violent felony charges ranging from assault 2 to the Big Kahuna murder 2.
You asked you got it.

Thank you for posting your enforcement activity.

I do have one more question for you, Officer.

If you were paid $25,000 less then you are currently making, would you still show up for work and perform these same activities?

Despite all the banter and heroic double talk of the cops that post here, the fact of the matter is, you are all, (especially SCPD) a bunch of overpaid metermaid scumbags. You need that badge and gun to feel like a man. That is really a sad thought if you think about it. I guess my comments should be more sympathetic towards you, but heck I am a taxpayer after all. So, I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt this morning, so go ahead keep writing those expensive traffic tickets and doing all the rest of the "heroic" work you do.

Oh by the way! in case any of you did not know, (after all cops are in fact very dumb, a fact even you cannot deny), we have several thousand troops fighting for the real freedom of this country around the world. They of course are the real heroes. But, I guess unlike cops they do not not need "positive reinforcement" from society to do their job. It is just very unfortunate that they recieve far less money for facing terrorist attackers who are constantly trying to kill them, then our bold and brave police who face the imminent dangers of pulling over middle age men driving home from work going 45 in a 35.

Oh by the way! in case any of you did not know, (after all cops are in fact very dumb, a fact even you cannot deny), we have several thousand troops fighting for the real freedom of this country around the world. They of course are the real heroes. But, I guess unlike cops they do not not need "positive reinforcement" from society to do their job. It is just very unfortunate that they recieve far less money for facing terrorist attackers who are constantly trying to kill them, then our bold and brave police who face the imminent dangers of pulling over middle age men driving home from work going 45 in a 35.


Yeah we know, we the SCPD scumbags got a whole platoon over there

Here we go. It was only a matter of time. The East Cupcake raiders are gonna start posting their activity... Wow. 19 whole felonies? Oh boy, better slow down with the Harrassment and Discon Collars. Go ahead and piss and moan about Levy, while you write your 450 summonses and put a ton of dough into the county.
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Dis Con and Harassment seem like much better collars than what I have been reading about in the news papers regarding the big job. Arresting victims of crime for assault 3 for defending themselves. For shame, who thought that one up? Padding stats to show crime reduction?



Maybe we should be taking some kickbacks and RORing them on the street K?
Thats what happens when you hire felons to replace the real cops working out here now.

If you were paid $25,000 less then you are currently making, would you still show up for work and perform these same activities
Obviously when I started I made far less than I do now.
The pressure from above to arrest everything in sight wasnt as great, and the minimum paper needed a month was 1/2 of what it is now. It seems every pay raise we get, the county wants more, its not at the point it is in the shi...errr i mean city job, but it soon will be.
I'm not at top salary yet, I did the city job and came out here for the money only. I take pride in my job and give them a full days work. It is busy out here, busier than I thought it would be, no complaints. But if I was only making 65 grand right now, I would not feel as compelled to work as hard.

Despite all the banter and heroic double talk of the cops that post here, the fact of the matter is, you are all, (especially SCPD) a bunch of overpaid metermaid scumbags. You need that badge and gun to feel like a man. That is really a sad thought if you think about it. I guess my comments should be more sympathetic towards you, but heck I am a taxpayer after all. So, I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt this morning, so go ahead keep writing those expensive traffic tickets and doing all the rest of the "heroic" work you do
Thanks for sharing that, hopefully after the next contract, your taxes will go up another 200 dollars, and you will be forced to leave.
That is assuming you are some sort of a taxpayer.
I doubt it sounds like you are a felony 511, with just a revoked id card in your pocket, maybe the dwi I did last week?
I guess if we need a gun+badge to feel like men, you need to rank on people like a high school student to feel like a man

[yourdedicatedpoliceservan]

So, I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt this morning, so go ahead keep writing those expensive traffic tickets and doing all the rest of the "heroic" work you do.
then our bold and brave police who face the imminent dangers of pulling over middle age men driving home from work going 45 in a 35.
Oh is that what happened to you? Well you shouldnt speed! You are breaking the law. I think I'd agree, hopefully your insurance will go up 100 dollars, you get the speeder conviction, pay that, then the Bank forecloses on your shack and you and your trash family can go move to the carolinas or where ever Eric Estrada is mugging for.
bye now

[NO Mercy]

I guess my comments should be more sympathetic towards you, but heck I am a taxpayer after all
OWWWWW you hurt my wittle feelings, grow up, dweeb
No you sound just about right, its people like you I imagine when I have to write someone paper, and feel sympathetic, myself. Just hoping the skell sucking my ass, crying how many hours he works and how he's trying to get home to see his kids before they go to bed once this week, is really a arrogant loser like yourself, makes it so much easier to write the 7 summons I need to, to reach my quota. It drowns out those violins quite nicely.
By the way, I'm a taxpayer too, and probably pay more considering how much nicer my house is than yours.

I guess my comments should be more sympathetic towards you, but heck I am a taxpayer after all. So, I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt this morning, so .

I have an idea. If you are so educated, why don't you read your tax bill and do the math to figure out what proportion of your property taxes go to your school district. The lovely concept of well my children benefit from it crap only goes for so many years and then when they get addicted to drugs and drop out you still pay school taxes. Why don't you go to the school district post and complain and moan over there. You benefit from having a police force 365 days a year 24 hours a day. You reap a benefit from your school taxes for 180 days a year for 18 years of your childs life. Please don't give me the crap of well I live in a nice area because we pay lots of school taxes and therefore the area stays nice. If you live in an area because "the school taxes keep the area nice" you are a racist and delusional.

Despite all the banter and heroic double talk of the cops that post here, the fact of the matter is, you are all, (especially SCPD) a bunch of overpaid metermaid scumbags. You need that badge and gun to feel like a man. That is really a sad thought if you think about it. I guess my comments should be more sympathetic towards you, but heck I am a taxpayer after all. So, I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt this morning, so go ahead keep writing those expensive traffic tickets and doing all the rest of the "heroic" work you do.


Who the f''ck cares? blow it out your ass, pay your taxes, and shut the fu'' up, loser. Love us or hate us, no one really cares. Pay up, when you cant afford to pay anymore, move.

[This is getting bad]

It's too bad this thread had to degenerate into a cop-bashing free for all.

It's too bad this thread had to degenerate into a cop-bashing free for all.
Just because people disagree with paying each cop $100,000 dosent mean that they are cop bashing. It means they are trying to make a living in between these school, police and fire taxes that bleed taxpayers dry.

Just because people disagree with paying each cop $100,000 dosent mean that they are cop bashing. It means they are trying to make a living in between these school, police and fire taxes that bleed taxpayers dry.
ohh so thats why they are calling us bunch of overpaid metermaid scumbags. You need that badge and gun to feel like a manorthen our bold and brave police who face the imminent dangers of pulling over middle age men driving home from work going 45 in a 35. orThe East Cupcake raiders are gonna
If you cant afford it now, leave.
At no time soon are taxes going down, they dont use all the police taxes now for police budget, because there is a surplus, you dont see any change in your police taxes year to year. Then factor in the money made by the police dept by arrests, summons, even a simple report costs you 25 Cents a page.
They arent going to issue rebates to the areas losing police coverage, but one thing is sure, they will raise your taxes. If you are struggling to hold onto what you have or find yourself working to pay bills, and either buying everything on credit or working o.t. to have spending money, it isnt going to get better.

The East Cupcake raiders are gonna
By the way if thats from a skimming the till cheeseball from ''the big job'' hows the new recruits? My neighbor who I've known for years we caught killing cats, stealing bikes, etc, has 2 dwis and a shoplifting charge, was being investigated 3 years ago, when the investigator talked to me I told him he'd be an embarassment to the job, well guess who was in the last class? Any luck he'll run into the crew taking bribes and be gone before he hurts someone.
big job indeed.

[/quote] By the way if thats from a skimming the till cheeseball from ''the big job'' hows the new recruits? My neighbor who I've known for years we caught killing cats, stealing bikes, etc, has 2 dwis and a shoplifting charge, was being investigated 3 years ago, when the investigator talked to me I told him he'd be an embarassment to the job, well guess who was in the last class? Any luck he'll run into the crew taking bribes and be gone before he hurts someone.
big job indeed.[/quote]

No, he will fit right in with the rest of them.

[The Real Wabble Wouser]

See that some still blame police and teachers for high taxes yet nothing ever mentioned about the people who move into an area living in illegal multiple dwellings or rent out rooms in single family houses.

Houses converted into several dwellings but taxed only as one dwelling or rooms rented out like a boarding house and taxed as single family house.

How unfair and criminal that should be. In Huntington town makes money from accessory apartments. They charge fees and fines and it goes into the town's own pockets ( general fund ) not the taxpayers. I wonder who controls those funds?

In some areas houses with accessory apartments house up to 6 families. Town could give a crap and the real estate brokers make a killing on renting rooms and apartments in single family houses.

Lets tax some of these landlords so they can contribute for all their tenants who use the system. Two Huntington slumlords Pius :twisted: and Venegroff :twisted: make millions a year in profits from their renting endeavors yet they pay relatively little in property taxes compared to all the hordes they rent to.

[This is getting bad]

It's too bad this thread had to degenerate into a cop-bashing free for all.
Just because people disagree with paying each cop $100,000 dosent mean that they are cop bashing. It means they are trying to make a living in between these school, police and fire taxes that bleed taxpayers dry.

I think it's evident enough from what's already been posted that moving 2 cops from nights to the evening shift isn't going to impact your tax bill one iota.

The problem is there's WAY too many chiefs and not nearly enough indians.

I say eliminate dare and re-deploy those cops to patrol.
Eliminate marine unit and it's heiarchy and let the coast guard worry about the waterways.
Eliminate COPE as a "special unit" and all it's command structure and redeploy all of those bact onto patrol.

Now there's 2x as many cops out there policing so we won't need a new class of officers sooo... eliminate that whole shebang and it's comand structure and put them out to patrol too.

There Mr Levy - there you have it. I have just singlehandedly DOUBLED the police presense in Suffolk and I didn't raise taxes one red cent, cut anything that 99% of the public benefits from, or put any officer at risk.

I also just reduced overtime and the need for about 75 unmarked county police cars not to mention marine equipment & boats.

[laddie boy]

By the way if thats from a skimming the till cheeseball from ''the big job'' hows the new recruits? My neighbor who I've known for years we caught killing cats, stealing bikes, etc, has 2 dwis and a shoplifting charge, was being investigated 3 years ago, when the investigator talked to me I told him he'd be an embarassment to the job, well guess who was in the last class? Any luck he'll run into the crew taking bribes and be gone before he hurts someone.
big job indeed.[/quote]

No, he will fit right in with the rest of them.[/quote]

You are a Lying sack of shit. 2 DWI's and a Larceny prior and we took him in ??? I say Bullshit to you . Drop his name in your reply and I will check and see if there are any priors. if there are as you say I will personally apologize to you and admit that the County is corrupt. Maybe you meant you have two prior DWI's , killed small animals , and wet your bed.

[Im-poster]

Unfortunately, this has turned into a cop bashing forum, and these are all in response to prior posts, but since I don't know how to quote them all, I'll just throw out some ideas....
- SCPD does not have unlimited sick. They get 26 days /yr, but god help the one that tries to use more than 10/yr.
- There is a work chart of 232 days (not including vacation, which tops out at 30 days, and 5 personal days). So that works out to 195 days worked. Last time I was in the private sector, my net days worked came out to 205..Not much of a diff..
- My 'brothers' to the west....please do not throw stones...I'll leave it at that.
- The amount of money many people spend per month on either cell phones, Optimum cable, or landscaping would pay the police taxes in 2 or 3 months. Not to mention what a set of stupid spinner wheels for their SUV's cost. Get your priorities straight....Don't tell me you can't afford the police tax...
- Speaking of police tax, don't think for one minute that the budget for the police district (which pays not only for the PO salaries, but civilian employees, building maintenance, cars, supplies etc) is not being skimmed or diverted to the general fund or other programs...because it IS..
- Let's do away with marine bureau and give the job to the Coast Guard..OK, but who is gonna handle calls on F.I. ??
- This job is very top heavy with brass...Supervision is important and necessary, but not to the extent it exists out here...
- Take home cars ??? Levy didn't get rid of even half of them....
- Let's give the LIE and Sunrise Hwy to the State..and while we're at it, let's force them to handle all the calls that occur on state roads (Rt 25, Rt 27A, Rt 25A, Rt 347), like alarms, burglaries, disputes..Let them take it all, not just traffic...
- PO's make a fantastic salary...But you know what ??? If the PO's are not happy with what the county offers they cannot go on strike (taylor law). So even though contract negotiations are at an impasse, the PD must keep working. Rescind the taylor law and pay the cops less..Let's see what happens after the first strike.
- Pay SCPD $25-$45K less ??? Look at the problems the NYPD is having now...You get what u pay for. The NYPD paid a 'decent' wage back in the day, but now, forget it. They should have parity with SCPD, but that is out of our control...

Anonymous wrote:

By the way if thats from a skimming the till cheeseball from ''the big job'' hows the new recruits? My neighbor who I've known for years we caught killing cats, stealing bikes, etc, has 2 dwis and a shoplifting charge, was being investigated 3 years ago, when the investigator talked to me I told him he'd be an embarassment to the job, well guess who was in the last class? Any luck he'll run into the crew taking bribes and be gone before he hurts someone.
big job indeed.

No, he will fit right in with the rest of them.[/quote]

You are a Lying sack of shit. 2 DWI's and a Larceny prior and we took him in ??? I say Bullshit to you . Drop his name in your reply and I will check and see if there are any priors. if there are as you say I will personally apologize to you and admit that the County is corrupt. Maybe you meant you have two prior DWI's , killed small animals , and wet your bed.


No,the poster is replying to the one whom called us east end cupcakes, he is referring to the big job, not suozzi, not levy's but bloomberg's

[me boy....]

By the way if thats from a skimming the till cheeseball from ''the big job'' hows the new recruits? My neighbor who I've known for years we caught killing cats, stealing bikes, etc, has 2 dwis and a shoplifting charge, was being investigated 3 years ago, when the investigator talked to me I told him he'd be an embarassment to the job, well guess who was in the last class? Any luck he'll run into the crew taking bribes and be gone before he hurts someone.
big job indeed.

No, he will fit right in with the rest of them.[/quote]

You are a Lying sack of shit. 2 DWI's and a Larceny prior and we took him in ??? I say Bullshit to you . Drop his name in your reply and I will check and see if there are any priors. if there are as you say I will personally apologize to you and admit that the County is corrupt. Maybe you meant you have two prior DWI's , killed small animals , and wet your bed.[/quote]
Richie me boy, will ye lighten up eh? Hes talkin the city job, ya canne follow simple context clues?
Erin go bragh

- Pay SCPD $25-$45K less ??? Look at the problems the NYPD is having now...You get what u pay for. The NYPD paid a 'decent' wage back in the day, but now, forget it. They should have parity with SCPD, but that is out of our control...
If they had to pay each NYPD officer even $90,000 then the City of New York would go in massive debet everything they had to pay the cops.

Do the math: 90,000 x 32,000 = 2,880,000,000

Almost 3 billion just to pay the cops. The people would revolt in such a situtation, they would litterly storm the City Hall.

If they had to pay each NYPD officer even $90,000 then the City of New York would go in massive debet everything they had to pay the cops.

Do the math: 90,000 x 32,000 = 2,880,000,000

Almost 3 billion just to pay the cops. The people would revolt in such a situtation, they would litterly storm the City Hall.







Oh please even the meter maids in the city make over 100k a year for the city,in parking summonses.
The Nypd also probably makes that easily, 100k per officer considering how much filth they got running around in there,they collar up 511.1s.Thats 500 bucks a pop
They deserve a raise, its a shame when I hear of a city cop working 3 part time gigs just to make ends meet out here.

Drop his name in your reply and I will check and see if there are any priors. if there are as you say I will personally apologize to you and admit that the County is corrupt.

You will personally apologize? LOL...thats funny.

If they had to pay each NYPD officer even $90,000 then the City of New York would go in massive debet everything they had to pay the cops.

Do the math: 90,000 x 32,000 = 2,880,000,000

Almost 3 billion just to pay the cops. The people would revolt in such a situtation, they would litterly storm the City Hall.


Oh please even the meter maids in the city make over 100k a year for the city,in parking summonses.
The Nypd also probably makes that easily, 100k per officer considering how much filth they got running around in there,they collar up 511.1s.Thats 500 bucks a pop
They deserve a raise, its a shame when I hear of a city cop working 3 part time gigs just to make ends meet out here.

The thing is city cops don't collar up. I'd venture a guess that East cupcake makes more collars per cop than NYPD. Why? The city cops are just trying to make it through the tour without getting CCRBd, GO-15d, shot, indicted, or CDd. I have a buddy who was a seasonal out in Suffolk for a Village PD. He wrote summonses and collared up all of the time. He went to the big job working steady 4x12s. He confided he hadn't made a collar in over a year. I was shocked since I knew he used to make them. His reply was that if on the 4X12s he collared up after he dropped off his perp he would go home and have to be back at the DAs office in the morning to go live w/ the ADA. City cops are just laying low and trying to make it to retirement. They go to work hoping that this isn't the tour they get killed, crippled or have a fatal incident with a member of another race in which they end up dragged through the mud, indicted and tried in Federal Criminal, Federal Civil, NY Criminal or NY Civil court. Not to mention that if you want to buck the peer pressure to do more your co-workers will come down on you. If the city is offering zeros and summonse/arrest activity is down by group consensus, woe be the cop who bucks the system. He can expect to find his locker upside down in the shower or worse. The job doesn't reward working cops (either Suffolk or the city) it jams them up. If you are doing your job you WILL get civilian complaints and those complaints WILL keep you from transferring or getting promoted/designated. Gun collars in the city are down basically because they have gutted UC operations in Narcotics and essentially disbanded Street Crime after the Diallo incident. Gun collars are down and homicides are up. One goes hand in hand. A city cop only has to look as far as what is going on right now with Conroy to see why it doesn't pay to get involved or do the job the way it's supposed to be done.

The thing is city cops don't collar up. I'd venture a guess that East cupcake makes more collars per cop than NYPD. Why? The city cops are just trying to make it through the tour without getting CCRBd, GO-15d, shot, indicted, or CDd. I have a buddy who was a seasonal out in Suffolk for a Village PD. He wrote summonses and collared up all of the time. He went to the big job working steady 4x12s. He confided he hadn't made a collar in over a year. I was shocked since I knew he used to make them. His reply was that if on the 4X12s he collared up after he dropped off his perp he would go home and have to be back at the DAs office in the morning to go live w/ the ADA. City cops are just laying low and trying to make it to retirement. They go to work hoping that this isn't the tour they get killed, crippled or have a fatal incident with a member of another race in which they end up dragged through the mud, indicted and tried in Federal Criminal, Federal Civil, NY Criminal or NY Civil court. Not to mention that if you want to buck the peer pressure to do more your co-workers will come down on you. If the city is offering zeros and summonse/arrest activity is down by group consensus, woe be the cop who bucks the system. He can expect to find his locker upside down in the shower or worse. The job doesn't reward working cops (either Suffolk or the city) it jams them up. If you are doing your job you WILL get civilian complaints and those complaints WILL keep you from transferring or getting promoted/designated. Gun collars in the city are down basically because they have gutted UC operations in Narcotics and essentially disbanded Street Crime after the Diallo incident. Gun collars are down and homicides are up. One goes hand in hand. A city cop only has to look as far as what is going on right now with Conroy to see why it doesn't pay to get involved or do the job the way it's supposed to be done.

And you civilians think suffolk cops are bad? Try to deal with this mindset, other than the best cops that have fled to greener pastures what do you think is left there?
I wouldnt call it the ''big job'' anymore, its more like the the minors in baseball, or the wnba compared to the nba.

[What a crock]

You don't seriously think anyone believes the "average" East Cupcake PO makes more arrests than NYPD?

HARRRR HO HARHARHARHARHARHAR!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You don't seriously think anyone believes the "average" East Cupcake PO makes more arrests than NYPD?

HARRRR HO HARHARHARHARHARHAR!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok big boy, lets go by the minimum numbers to not get on the shit list with the bosses. At one time the number was 15 pieces of paper and 2 arrests in Suffolk. I know that suck asses in the city would be a member of the book o' the month club (25) UTTs. I'd say that MOST city cops don't collar up as often as Suffolk. The climate, the hassle of having to come back the next day and just plain not giving a shit. I think Suffolk has some kind of summonse initiative going on right now so the 15/2 is now up around 30-45 utts a month. DWI accidents and domestics being what they are it's rare to not be able to get a few bodies a month. BTW how is that policy that you have to do an intel report if you notice narcotics activity and refer it through the chain of command for Narco to look into a month later doing? How demeaning is it that you have to have a boss come to the scene to "verify an arrest" before you go into the house. I make about a hundred a year and I don't waste my time w/ any 511.1s like the city does. Please give us a real look at NYPD blows.

[patrol111111]

Actually I do make alot more arrests out here than in the city. BUT, the reason for that is 80% of the arrests are for harassment, cpm etc. We didn't arrest for violations in the city. How many misdemeanors/felonies do I actually have out here? not many with the exception of a criminal contempt here and there. In the city I arrested for crack. Out here, marijuana. City I arrested for assault, out here harassment. To sum it up yes I did collar less in the city but that's becausse you couldn't arrest for violations and I sh** canned BS misdemeanors otherwise I'd be out of service every night.

The thing is city cops don't collar up. I'd venture a guess that East cupcake makes more collars per cop than NYPD. Why? The city cops are just trying to make it through the tour without getting CCRBd, GO-15d, shot, indicted, or CDd. I have a buddy who was a seasonal out in Suffolk for a Village PD. He wrote summonses and collared up all of the time. He went to the big job working steady 4x12s. He confided he hadn't made a collar in over a year. I was shocked since I knew he used to make them. His reply was that if on the 4X12s he collared up after he dropped off his perp he would go home and have to be back at the DAs office in the morning to go live w/ the ADA. City cops are just laying low and trying to make it to retirement. They go to work hoping that this isn't the tour they get killed, crippled or have a fatal incident with a member of another race in which they end up dragged through the mud, indicted and tried in Federal Criminal, Federal Civil, NY Criminal or NY Civil court. Not to mention that if you want to buck the peer pressure to do more your co-workers will come down on you. If the city is offering zeros and summonse/arrest activity is down by group consensus, woe be the cop who bucks the system. He can expect to find his locker upside down in the shower or worse. The job doesn't reward working cops (either Suffolk or the city) it jams them up. If you are doing your job you WILL get civilian complaints and those complaints WILL keep you from transferring or getting promoted/designated. Gun collars in the city are down basically because they have gutted UC operations in Narcotics and essentially disbanded Street Crime after the Diallo incident. Gun collars are down and homicides are up. One goes hand in hand. A city cop only has to look as far as what is going on right now with Conroy to see why it doesn't pay to get involved or do the job the way it's supposed to be done.



Thats where you are wrong, I've never been to iab out in suffolk and have gotten the same complaints here as i did when I worked the big heist....i mean job. Out here if its bull, its bull, iab kicks it back to the pct and its handled by a lt.

[give it up.]

You don't seriously think anyone believes the "average" East Cupcake PO makes more arrests than NYPD?

HARRRR HO HARHARHARHARHARHAR
Gee could that have something to do with the fact there are about 9 million people living in the city, and about 1.5 out here?
Each County in the city has more bodies in it then all of Suffolk.
Get real anyway, everyone knows half your arrests are just your own drug deals gone sour.

[ex big heist]

Actually I do make alot more arrests out here than in the city. BUT, the reason for that is 80% of the arrests are for harassment, cpm etc. We didn't arrest for violations in the city. How many misdemeanors/felonies do I actually have out here? not many with the exception of a criminal contempt here and there. In the city I arrested for crack. Out here, marijuana. City I arrested for assault, out here harassment. To sum it up yes I did collar less in the city but that's becausse you couldn't arrest for violations and I sh** canned BS misdemeanors otherwise I'd be out of service every night.
So 511.1 is a ''legit'' misdemeanor? give me a break.

[nypd at its best]

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BY DENISE M. BONILLA
STAFF WRITER

March 9, 2005

Craving Thin Mints and Tagalongs may be criminal to the waistline, but it shouldn't be illegal on New York City streets.

That seemed to be the consensus Tuesday among the Girl Scouts, at least one political leader and the family of a dad who was given a ticket while helping his daughter deliver Girl Scout cookies in a Brooklyn neighborhood.


Grace Marie Louis, 13, of Bethpage, was on Bedford Avenue in Williamsburg Saturday afternoon to deliver boxes of cookies that family and friends in her mother's old neighborhood had already purchased.

With her mom Ann Louis -- who has multiple sclerosis, and has trouble walking -- sitting in the family minivan helping, Grace collected money while her father, Howard, readied the orders. However, at 4:50 p.m., the family said, police pulled up in an unmarked car.

"All I heard was 'Get over here! Police!'," said Grace, who is an eighth-grader at Our Lady of Mercy in Hicksville. "I was looking for a police car . . . I heard all these stories about people pretending to be police officers, so my mom said 'stay here, get in the car.' "

Police gave Howard Louis, 55, a summons for selling cookies without a license, answerable in New York City Criminal Court on April 11.
Wow you big heist guys are tough on crime. good work. A u.c. unit for girl scout cookies? excellent, you have the e/s unit on the back?
ha

[oh officer....]

Actually I do make alot more arrests out here than in the city. BUT, the reason for that is 80% of the arrests are for harassment, cpm etc. We didn't arrest for violations in the city. How many misdemeanors/felonies do I actually have out here?
GEE, ''officer'' maybe the city has its own rules but last time I checked the penal laws c.p.m. was a misdemeanor, not a violation, u.p.m is the violation, maybe you should read up on the law before pretending to be a cop and trying to stir up sh!t between real cops.
nice try though