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Patrol 2
09-17-2004, 12:24 AM
I don't understand why sheriff's call a sector car down when they have a p/u of a 10-10. I think they forget they are cops too. Does anyone know why? Are they not allowed to scratch out the quick field? I understand they sometimes may be in travel. But this happens often and they wait 20 minutes for me to get there and then take off. So if anyone work for the sheriffs department a little advise, just scratch out the quick paperwork you look foolish calling for the real police to help you although they won't say it to your face!
exnypd
09-17-2004, 03:02 AM
you can thank your highway patrol for complaining we were handling mv104's on "THEIR HIGHWAY". most deps would be more than happy to handle a 10. we were told to turn them over to whatever agency handles it..ie district pd, southampton, village pd etc. because of complaints made by your agency. as far as waiting for the "real: police to show up..i don't think sh&t stirring is necessary. most deps were former law enforcement and aren't exactly terrified to handle what your perceive as real police work. if i am doing v&t an sunrise or the L.I.E , highway will stop and check if everything is ok and the same with sector cars, and i am more than happy to do the same. i never understood why agencies in this county get into pissing contests with each other (scso vs scpd, deps vs c/o's) If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in, so instead of getting into turf wars why not be happy to see another cop back you on a car stop. if
Franz Hardwick
09-17-2004, 03:27 AM
Quote:If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
SuffolkJailer
09-17-2004, 04:20 AM
In response to F. Hardwick's question, how could members of law enforcement NOT protect themselves by utilizing what you call the "blue wall"? I can't speak for the P.D. or the Deputy division of my Dept., but I know for a fact that there are those people who see us as nothing more than walking targets for baseless lawsuits, and this County is nothing more than an ATM for them to live off of.
We are constantly put in situations that place our careers, if not our freedom, at risk, with nothing to protect us but the word of our coworkers. I'm talking about situations that are not what one would consider within the 'scope of an Officer's duties'. Are there a few who abuse their authority? My answer is that every agency out there is not immune from hiring those who tarnish the reputable work being done by the majority. These are the few who provide red meat to the scandal craved media, especially the leftist papers we have around here. How many articles have you read where an inmate was saved from killing himself, or an inmate was rescued from being assaulted by gang members? Is this the job? Yes, but all I see in the papers are articles devoted to exploiting the ridiculously false claims of brutality or mistreatment of inmates.
My job is not my family, it's what I do, not who I am. I do rely on my fellow Officer's to watch my back and for the most part I work with excellent, professional people. We do live in an increasingly hostile world towards law enforcement, as that previous poster said. We didn't create that environment, we're just trying to protect ourselves from it.
The People
09-17-2004, 04:30 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
-Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
Hal Brown
09-17-2004, 04:32 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
askidmore
09-17-2004, 04:33 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
county resident
09-17-2004, 04:35 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
AJ Delgiorno
09-17-2004, 04:36 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
TinyTim
09-17-2004, 04:37 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
JP Dowd
09-17-2004, 04:39 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
Eagle
09-17-2004, 04:41 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
Michael Cardigan
09-17-2004, 04:42 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
Svorkin
09-17-2004, 04:44 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
The Blue Wall
09-17-2004, 04:47 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
J Lawrence
09-17-2004, 04:48 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
Felix Corvalle
09-17-2004, 04:49 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
The People
09-17-2004, 04:51 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
birdie
09-17-2004, 04:52 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
AN Benedict
09-17-2004, 04:54 AM
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If you read the paper, this is not a law enforcement friendly world we live in,
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Unfortunately you are correct.
Too bad police officers brought this upon themselves by admitting they consider their job and the people they work with as an extension of their family.
Thus, the creation of the blue wall of silence.
Would you be friendly towards people who are paid to have honor and integrity, claim they have honor and integrity, yet take it upon themselves to decide when they choose to emply their integrity?
my apologies to the deps
09-17-2004, 09:11 AM
Sometimes when you wirght things on paper they sound nastier than they were meant. I was joking about the "real cop" comment. I still don't understand though why they can't scratch out the MV104a, Tthey are out there doing v&t's all the time. I have several friends who state they can take paper but they just get lazy. One guy told me fu@@ that, you guys get paid the big bucks. It reminds me of the COPE guys who are 2 blocks from an 85 and don't back you, they always back for a few months when they get there and then that fades quick. Just a message to the deputies, if you have a p/u of a 10-10 or DM, just handle it, the PD you would otherwise call appreciates it. And highway is a different animal
exnypd
09-17-2004, 10:25 AM
patrol 2 i agree that it is silly that you have to respond to a 10 when a deputy is already there and can certainly handle it. unfornately we were told to turn it over and let whatever agency patrols that area to handle. i guess they don't want to step on toes or there are politics involved that you and i get caught in the middle of. i remember in field training when i was working with another deputy and we came across a 10 and we had to turn it over i was dumbfounded. i didn't understand why we couldn't just scratch a mv104 and field report quick and be done with it. i'm sure that any sector that is holding jobs would appreciate it.
One of the problems is when the happy motorist goes to central records for a copy of the 104 that the deps handled. Central records doesn't have it. The happy motorist doesn't know the difference, Complaints arise.
me too
09-20-2004, 05:26 PM
DUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Big Class
09-22-2004, 01:44 PM
Big class of Deps coming in early 05. If you have a good list #, start running, push ups, and sit ups NOW
hopeful33
09-23-2004, 04:12 PM
Just wanted to know how valid that info is, i hard levy is hiring anybody for a while. How far down on the list do you think they will reach? Thanks for the info Big Class
hopeful33
09-23-2004, 04:13 PM
Sorry, thats supposed to be i heard levy isn't hiring anybody for a while.
DOUBTFUL
09-24-2004, 02:45 AM
doubtful since there's a class in right now. It usually takes about 6 months from the time you go to the seminar to the time you're hired. Once you go to the seminar and start being investigated you'll know there's a class coming in about 6 months (if they hire of course)
hopeful33
09-24-2004, 02:56 AM
I agree with you doubtful. I just wanted to see where big class got his info from and how valid it was. I dont think sheriffs will be hiring for a while ladies and gents, sorry to burst your bubble, levy is a dick.
scpd 1st
09-24-2004, 04:03 AM
ive heard rumors that several sherrifs are over 200 g. for the year.this is a great job,be ready you go thru the same academy as us. 1 of the deps said their will be a fairly large class going thru within the year.
WalterD
09-24-2004, 09:35 AM
Please be advised that the few Deps or C/O's that lead the league in earnings are not representative of the Deputies or C/O's who actually do the work they signed on for. Most of those earners are political hacks who have prostituted themselves or they have big hooks. They pad their salaries with overtime scams. The average Dep or C/O does not have the luxury of these scams afforded to useless payroll leeches.
It's a way of life in good ole Suffolk County.
What are the chances that there will be a class early this year? That is the rumor, but somehow i dont see that happening since the hiring process didnt even start yet.
birdman41
10-01-2004, 03:05 PM
one last comment on deps picking up 10-10s did you ever have them call you down to the 10 after writing all the utts for the accident then want you to do paper ? i have......
Birdman,
There has to be other things in life to worry about besides this... our brass wants them TOT the agency that does general patrol in that GAOE.
If this causes such heartache for you, have your STARS make a complaint to our STARS to have us handle our 10s. But when your PBA (whichever one that is) makes a stink that the Deps are trying to "take" your job, I don't want to hear it . You guys can't have it both ways.
birdman41
10-02-2004, 06:12 AM
you missed the point if the 10 is mine i'll take care of it but to take time to write all the utts call on the radio to have a sector car come down and leave before i get there only to have the op of one of the cars show me all the tickets he just got from the dep........thats crap.
Dep too
10-02-2004, 09:47 AM
I handle every 10 I pick up. UNLESS I have a prisoner or have another valid reason. Most Deps can pick up the 10 but just don't. I've never met another Dep get in trouble for hanling a 10 that they stumbled across. It takes 20 minutes (40 minutes if MV104A) no sweat off my back. First of all I'm embarassed to call PD down and second of all I figure I'll have to wait 25 just for them to show up!
SCPD1
10-18-2004, 01:52 PM
THEY ARE TRYING TO PICK UP OUR CALLS DON'T LET THEM. NEXT WE'LL LOSE THE HIGHWAY AND LIE BACK TO THEM
Taxpayer
10-19-2004, 05:15 AM
Thats crap (last post)
sherrif344443
02-20-2006, 05:38 PM
which ones
which oneswhat r u trying to bury?
which ones
all of them
go back to serving warrants and eviction notices. You will never be a real cop.
brooklynrosco
02-20-2006, 08:52 PM
which ones
all of them
go back to serving warrants and eviction notices. You will never be a real cop.
What is a real COP???? I noticed that alot of Long Island Police Officers are now calling them selves COPs. Unless you work or worked in a big city Ghetto you will never be a COP. Just a Police Officer. I am not taking anything away from the Police on LI, but come one get real a NYPD COP in Brooklyn North will see more in a year than most of you in your 20 years...
which ones
all of them
go back to serving warrants and eviction notices. You will never be a real cop.
What is a real COP???? I noticed that alot of Long Island Police Officers are now calling them selves COPs. Unless you work or worked in a big city Ghetto you will never be a COP. Just a Police Officer. I am not taking anything away from the Police on LI, but come one get real a NYPD COP in Brooklyn North will see more in a year than most of you in your 20 years...Yeah you'll see more because there are more nypd cops on a call than most suffolk precincts have working. You'll see more, but what exactly will you have done??
That what I notice about the new cops out of the city, they respond to alot of calls and like to stand around and play pocket pool. I guess ther rationale is if your hands are in your pockets, you cant be expected to write a report or two. Most of them are whiny like this''I'm a real cop ''anchor. They love to talk about their experience and how the comraderie was better, and cops shouldnt ride alone, blah blah.
If your jobb was so great why do we have sgts, detectives, e/s out here in the academy, dont kid yourself if you could muster enough braincells on a lucky saturday, you'd be on this side of the fence in a heart beat.
Why dont you go and watch copland again?? We all saw it, you lifers must have had major wood thinking you are a bad ass like Keitel. In reality every city guy with some time on is more about getting by/over/around/near , than making the big collar. The bare minimum, nothing more.
Heres my rebuttal, you might be middle class, but you are hardly suburban class, take your ghetto salary and move to the world you can afford.
It takes a "real" cop to find crime and criminals out here where there is less of each. You actually have to do some investigative work. Any moron can make a collar in the city on the "real" job. The fruit is hanging pretty low. If you can't find it you're either blind or an idiot. I guess the measure of a "real" cop according to these morons is how many homicides, shootings, stabbings etc. they've "been to" but couldn't do anything to prevent or make an arrest afterwards. Responding to 911 calls to stand around and gawk doesn't make you a cop. Oh, excuse me, in the city it does.
It takes a "real" cop to find crime and criminals out here where there is less of each. You actually have to do some investigative work. Any moron can make a collar in the city on the "real" job. The fruit is hanging pretty low. If you can't find it you're either blind or an idiot. I guess the measure of a "real" cop according to these morons is how many homicides, shootings, stabbings etc. they've "been to" but couldn't do anything to prevent or make an arrest afterwards. Responding to 911 calls to stand around and gawk doesn't make you a cop. Oh, excuse me, in the city it does.Any moron could make a arrest in the city, but because the pos are so worried about getting jammed up, they simply refuse to. Like the post said, the mentality is do the minimum so you get out in 20. Better to have a key to a business and hide in there all night, in order to protect it.
Why dont you go and watch copland again?? We all saw it, you lifers must have had major wood thinking you are a bad ass like Keitel. In reality every city guy with some time on is more about getting by/over/around/near , than making the big collar. The bare minimum, nothing more
100% true, once iab/ccrb media has their way with you playing hero looses its value, then all you want to do is make it home, and get yours every 2 weeks. Thats the difference between being a cop in the nypd and a cop out in scpd, a cop in the scpd can be aggressive, make a mistake and articulate his way out of trouble, a cop in the city is a resignation waiting to happen.
OH BOO HOO , The dopey deps start this B.S. now the city jumps in " Or should I say the city buffs jump in" I was there and we didnt knock SCPD, only the wanna be buff's who still live with momma at 35 and watch kojak did that. Whatever the case you should all re-evaluate your inner child and stop watching cop's and/or serving eviction's..................TAKE THE REAL TEST AND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME YOUR IN BRENTWOOD FOR 6 MONTH'S, IT WILL MEAN SOMETHING.
brooklynrosco
02-22-2006, 05:54 AM
Wow I guess I hit a nerve.. Well I made my point, no one likes their job to be thought less of. I dealt with that when I was Housing and big blue use to say Housing and Transit were not real POLICE. Well we merged and now we are almost one. There is no need to talk down other law enforcement depts. I have nothing against SCPD and I just wanted to make a point like stated before, we all have a job to do. Now with that said one poster asked why so many city guys leave and go to Suffolk. HMMM. Your shield is in the mail if you can figure it out. The money amd only the money. 90% of those who leave the city leave because of money. If the city made what Suffolk did no one would leave the city.
Another poster generalized cops with time on an posted (every city guy some time on is more about getting by/over/around/near ). wrong I take pride and what I do and I am good at it.
Now with this posters comments (It takes a "real" cop to find crime and criminals out here where there is less of each. You actually have to do some investigative work. Any moron can make a collar in the city on the "real" job. I will just state our Detectives are the Best . Our two jobs are different and the jobs are going through a transformation . The city now is highering low lifes which will just discredit my job more. The county is hiring professionals that have no business in law enforcement. last but not least one posted stated that SCPD can still do street justice and such. I have a good amount of friends on your job and they all complain about the lack of aggressiveness on your job....one more thing as far as going solo in a car in Housing I use to walk a Project by myself, and it was utter mayhem. It had around 10,000 known residents..and transit rode the trains alone. so that working alone thing is not worth bring up. I will say for you guys it is a huge safety issue because your back up is not a block away but 20 miles away. We are all law enforcement and all should get along....
Looks like many nerves were struck, next time try and think before you post, the big bad city and its mystique has been deflated. I remember my uncles, cousins talking like this in the 80-90s with my dad, now when we get together and exchange war stories, their stories arent that impressive, and their chortles over cats in trees dont work anymore. I know many cops who want to work out here, not for just the loot, but the workplace enviroment, and the commute. scpd's pba is a class act, and the envy of every union out there.
OH BOO HOO , The dopey deps start this B.S. now the city jumps in " Or should I say the city buffs jump in" I was there and we didnt knock SCPD, only the wanna be buff's who still live with momma at 35 and watch kojak did that. Whatever the case you should all re-evaluate your inner child and stop watching cop's and/or serving eviction's..................TAKE THE REAL TEST AND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME YOUR IN BRENTWOOD FOR 6 MONTH'S, IT WILL MEAN SOMETHING.Guy everyone knocks scpd, until/unless they get the phone call, dont kid yourself, the difference is the city guys who used to be able to run this ''real job/big job'' bs, now know they are the minor leagues. There are legit recruits in the city that 10 years ago would have been told not to bother. I've heard of dwi refusals who couldnt even drive showing up for a interview and being told clean up your license and you've got a shot.The nypd is a bush league now, They used to be able to rag on the burbs for not having any crime, but not anymore. And that drives them nuts, they are in every way a 2nd class pd.
Wow I guess I hit a nerve.. Well I made my point, no one likes their job to be thought less of. I dealt with that when I was Housing and big blue use to say Housing and Transit were not real POLICE. Well we merged and now we are almost one. There is no need to talk down other law enforcement depts. I have nothing against SCPD and I just wanted to make a point like stated before, we all have a job to do. Now with that said one poster asked why so many city guys leave and go to Suffolk. HMMM. Your shield is in the mail if you can figure it out. The money amd only the money. 90% of those who leave the city leave because of money. If the city made what Suffolk did no one would leave the city.
Another poster generalized cops with time on an posted (every city guy some time on is more about getting by/over/around/near ). wrong I take pride and what I do and I am good at it.
Now with this posters comments (It takes a "real" cop to find crime and criminals out here where there is less of each. You actually have to do some investigative work. Any moron can make a collar in the city on the "real" job. I will just state our Detectives are the Best . Our two jobs are different and the jobs are going through a transformation . The city now is highering low lifes which will just discredit my job more. The county is hiring professionals that have no business in law enforcement. last but not least one posted stated that SCPD can still do street justice and such. I have a good amount of friends on your job and they all complain about the lack of aggressiveness on your job....one more thing as far as going solo in a car in Housing I use to walk a Project by myself, and it was utter mayhem. It had around 10,000 known residents..and transit rode the trains alone. so that working alone thing is not worth bring up. I will say for you guys it is a huge safety issue because your back up is not a block away but 20 miles away. We are all law enforcement and all should get along....I'm wondering where your non-agressive buds work, I've worked 3 different pcts and 2-3 specialized units before I made boss, this job does nt require anything but a simple form and pictures if physical force is used. The pos are walked thru the form and assisted if they dont get it right.
When new recruits are brought into the pct for orientation, they are told by the Inspector no one gets a freebie. Someone touches you they'd better go to the hospital before you bring them in for processing. When a rook screws up in this regard you will see the veterans sit him down and talk to him, and tell him why its important. Even if its a case of a civilian just touching him, and there's no arrest. These things are still vital out here, no one gets a freebie, and we back our guys 100%
I'm wondering where your non-agressive buds work, I've worked 3 different pcts and 2-3 specialized units before I made boss, this job does nt require anything but a simple form and pictures if physical force is used. The pos are walked thru the form and assisted if they dont get it right.
When new recruits are brought into the pct for orientation, they are told by the Inspector no one gets a freebie. Someone touches you they'd better go to the hospital before you bring them in for processing. When a rook screws up in this regard you will see the veterans sit him down and talk to him, and tell him why its important. Even if its a case of a civilian just touching him, and there's no arrest. These things are still vital out here, no one gets a freebie, and we back our guys 100%
Thats 1 of the 1st thigns I heard out here. Never was a heavy handed cop, but when things happened, they happened, couple civilian complaints, all ended at pct level after iab kicked them down to squad lt.
Worked both nypd and papd, before I came out east, scpd is the best job there is, forget the money, for a second, bosses still have a set, and the white shirts are still cops(even thougfh they weare blue shirts, now lol) the union still does its job, and the job is great. We come 1st, not the politics or the liberals, or the special interest groups, if sharpton came out here, he'd pop a artery trying to get something going.
which ones
all of them
go back to serving warrants and eviction notices. You will never be a real cop.
What is a real COP???? I noticed that alot of Long Island Police Officers are now calling them selves COPs. Unless you work or worked in a big city Ghetto you will never be a COP. Just a Police Officer. I am not taking anything away from the Police on LI, but come one get real a NYPD COP in Brooklyn North will see more in a year than most of you in your 20 years...Are you serious?? Listen Dirty Harry...get your head out of your butt. The only cops working in the nypd are the ones biding their time while their background check goes thru. Everyone else is a perp. I've seen harder background checks for protek-security than the nypd, get real.
brooklynrosco
02-23-2006, 06:55 AM
Not dirty Harry , No big gun. as far as the Perps on my job you are right over the last 8 years the standards have dropped below acceptable. I can't and won't defend that. As far as calling us a 2nd class Pd thats wrong. 10 years from now yes,it is possible with all the perps we're hiring, but for right know we still get the job done. No other agency in the country has done what we have done to crime. (yes we had some help with constat) As I posted before I have no problem with SCPD I think you guys do a great job. So NYPD is the minor leagues well tell that to all the Police depts form around the world that coem and observe us. Tell that to your job that keeps adopting of crime fighing strat, and policies. tell that to the Police depts across the nation that send us faxes saying that they will take laterals from us. Tell that to most of the other big city depts being run by former NYPD. How many of Suffolks former Chiefs are in charge of other Police Depts. Well that's it you know this can can go on forever. We can just go back an forth. I am aware that your job has alot of advantages over us such as the way bosses treat cops, your arrest processing and such. So be safe and lets agree to disagree on this subject. Oh yeah thanks for the name calling.
The stategies the dept picks up are the ones that can be manipulated to the bosses benefit. The chiefs that move on are political appointments, no doubt the brass of the nypd are wise and experienced in giving speeches etc. Frankly most of them arent popular appointments with either the dept or the public, and never seem to get it done elsewhere. The biggest problem we have in suffolk's admin are the ex nypd that have made it into the patrol officer/ or off the street.
The rank and file are losing it, you know it too. You shouldnt take offense to that, it is just a fact. The good ones leave.
I'll say I've never seen anything like it, the nypd is running away from itself. It used to be a small % were from the nypd in our academy. Now it is a very high %, I think 40% of the last class was nypd. many were bosses, specialized units and 10+ year veterans, makes you wonder who is staying, and or replacing them.
brooklynrosco
02-23-2006, 01:14 PM
I'll say I've never seen anything like it, the nypd is running away from itself. It used to be a small % were from the nypd in our academy. Now it is a very high %, I think 40% of the last class was nypd. many were bosses, specialized units and 10+ year veterans, makes you wonder who is staying, and or replacing them.
Running because of the sh-t we are hiring now. As you all know our salary is a complete joke. Only staying untill i get my phone call or letter from another agency.
Get real guy
02-23-2006, 08:58 PM
The only reason there are no former SCPD chiefs at large metropolitan depts around the country after they retire is because they earn twcie what your chiefs earn for many years then leave here with $75,000 + per year pensions and sick time, vac time, etc scat pay checks of three and four hundred thousand dollars. Not to mention the 457 K programs with $200,000. + in them as well. These guys are qualified, they just don't need to or want to ever work again. The reason so many NYPD are running out to Nassau and Suffolk is because THEY CAN ! The perps and skids being hired by the city CANT get hired out here, so the good guys get the hell out as quick as they can. If you want to talk "Real Job" - lets -
NYPD top pay is aprox. 65,000.
Suffolk top pay is aprox. 110,000. and going up every year - priceless !
The bottom line is that SCPD made some under the table deals with some crooked politicians and received unopposed binding arbitration, then became the most over paid PD in the country. The actual truth is that the NYPD has forgotten more than 99% of the SCPD guys have yet to learn. Trust me, the bull**** domestics, MVA's, barking dogs and help the fat guy up off the floor don't justify you criticizing other department's. Down South the local Sheriff's and PD's won't even honor your PBA cards.
The bottom line is that SCPD made some under the table deals with some crooked politicians and received unopposed binding arbitration, then became the most over paid PD in the country. The actual truth is that the NYPD has forgotten more than 99% of the SCPD guys have yet to learn. Trust me, the bull**** domestics, MVA's, barking dogs and help the fat guy up off the floor don't justify you criticizing other department's. Down South the local Sheriff's and PD's won't even honor your PBA cards. ... oh you mean like the deal that the deps former union prez must have made to get elected top Depitty Dog?
Big Blue, Big Blue, oh how I wish I could be like you!
Crime fighters brave and crime fighters true,
there is no task that is too tough for you!
EXCEPT PASSING THE SUFFOLK TEST AND GETTING MY JOB !!!!
Gotta go, time for me to luagh all the way to the bank, soldier on mighty mouse.
The bottom line is that SCPD made some under the table deals with some crooked politicians and received unopposed binding arbitration, then became the most over paid PD in the country. The actual truth is that the NYPD has forgotten more than 99% of the SCPD guys have yet to learn. Trust me, the bull**** domestics, MVA's, barking dogs and help the fat guy up off the floor don't justify you criticizing other department's. Down South the local Sheriff's and PD's won't even honor your PBA cards. ... oh you mean like the deal that the deps former union prez must have made to get elected top Depitty Dog?
Big Blue, Big Blue, oh how I wish I could be like you!
Crime fighters brave and crime fighters true,
there is no task that is too tough for you!
EXCEPT PASSING THE SUFFOLK TEST AND GETTING MY JOB !!!!
Gotta go, time for me to luagh all the way to the bank, soldier on mighty mouse.
LMAO :lol:
got your number
02-25-2006, 01:36 AM
SCPD= RUNTS & CUNTS......IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
SCPD= RUNTS & CUNTS......IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE.yeah, thats why over 50,000 take their test, cuz u all runt + cunt wannabes,lol
ok jeff
02-25-2006, 08:59 AM
The bottom line is that SCPD made some under the table deals with some crooked politicians and received unopposed binding arbitration, then became the most over paid PD in the country. The actual truth is that the NYPD has forgotten more than 99% of the SCPD guys have yet to learn. Trust me, the bull**** domestics, MVA's, barking dogs and help the fat guy up off the floor don't justify you criticizing other department's. Down South the local Sheriff's and PD's won't even honor your PBA cards.Are we talking pba cards now?? Its great to see a nypd lts card with a buy it now for 50.00 on e-bay. We dont even honor yours and you are 2 depts over, its sad how you guys have to sell yours on e-bay to make ends meet, then we get them and add to our collection. And if you were a actual cop, you'd be glad to have us even remotely near you, otherwise you'd still be getting a sanitation depts salary instead of what our recruits make, lol. You are welcome by the way.
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SCPD= RUNTS & CUNTS......IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE.10-4 thats why there is a 133 page thread with 1300+ posts thats been read 74,078 times just about the scpd starting a new academy class, not even the job itself, that be a whole lot of cunts and runts,lol.
Perfect examples how the SCPD think they are the sh*t. Basically the only difference between them and one of the east end town PD's is that SCPD patrols 5 towns instead of 1. Instead of County Police they should be called 5 town Police. We will see how they fair with Levy and their remaining contracts. I believe Levy will be the CE for many years to come. My guess is that within the next few years they won't be able to boast about their inflated salary. As a tax payer, I think being that the Sheriff's make so much less and are equally trained they should take over many of the PD functions to save the tax payer money! SCPD stats for an average PO is 20 arrests a year! Almost exclusivly misdameanors and V&T's. And thats the busy sectors, what are they doing in the slow precincts? What do you think Mr. Levy? AND WHY NOT?
Perfect examples how the SCPD think they are the sh*t. Basically the only difference between them and one of the east end town PD's is that SCPD patrols 5 towns instead of 1. Instead of County Police they should be called 5 town Police. We will see how they fair with Levy and their remaining contracts. I believe Levy will be the CE for many years to come. My guess is that within the next few years they won't be able to boast about their inflated salary. As a tax payer, I think being that the Sheriff's make so much less and are equally trained they should take over many of the PD functions to save the tax payer money! SCPD stats for an average PO is 20 arrests a year! Almost exclusivly misdameanors and V&T's. And thats the busy sectors, what are they doing in the slow precincts? What do you think Mr. Levy? AND WHY NOT?
My inflated salary enables me to use the correct spelling of "fare" in the proper context. Additionally I am able to spell "exclusively" and "misdemeanors" correctly. You didn't need to make "sheriff" possessive. Pluralizing it would be correct. You also misspelled "that's". It is a contraction for "that is", therefore an apostrophe replaces the missing letter. See how much you're getting for your money. Glad to be of assistance.
Hey, thanks for correcting my grammar. Now how about getting out of the fire house and attempting to make a collar??
Perfect examples how the SCPD think they are the sh*t. Basically the only difference between them and one of the east end town PD's is that SCPD patrols 5 towns instead of 1. Instead of County Police they should be called 5 town Police. We will see how they fair with Levy and their remaining contracts. I believe Levy will be the CE for many years to come. My guess is that within the next few years they won't be able to boast about their inflated salary. As a tax payer, I think being that the Sheriff's make so much less and are equally trained they should take over many of the PD functions to save the tax payer money! SCPD stats for an average PO is 20 arrests a year! Almost exclusivly misdameanors and V&T's. And thats the busy sectors, what are they doing in the slow precincts? What do you think Mr. Levy? AND WHY NOT?Right they attack scpd and when they get some flak back, the scpd think they are the sh*t, thats funny. I suppose they should just take your sh*t.
The salary isnt going to change, its under contract, as far as the next contract go look up arbitration, binding. Scpd is entitled to binding arbitration as soon as they reach a impasse with the county. Now based on the rising cost of living and gas prices had the contract been negitioated for this year the 3.75% over 4 would have been over 5%.
Scpd patrol isnt expected to make a high # of arrests, that is the function of the specialized units. Where do you get the # 20?
Are you including the non patrol jobs, desk, academy etc? I know officers in specialized patrol that average 2-3 arrests per day of work,300 + per year, even cope is expected to do around 100 per year.
I personally work in a average middle class area and have never been under 30, as well as many of my coworkers. Stop pulling #s out of a hat, or your butt.By the way when I worked in the city the magic # was 12, one per month.
What makes you think the 1st thing we do as deputies is grieve the salary difference between us and spcd if we took over patrol functions...idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, thanks for correcting my grammar. Now how about getting out of the fire house and attempting to make a collar??
Don't know about the Firehouse, but I'll get out of your wife in a few more minutes. Have you tried the collar on her? She really, really loves it.
What makes you think the 1st thing we do as deputies is grieve the salary difference between us and spcd if we took over patrol functions...idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as im concerned there is only one county police force and thats the Sheriff's Office.
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units.
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units.[/quote] ...and don't forget the cool cowboy hats. I have news for you Nostradamus, SCPD just became an accredited police department.Would Levy let his boy Dormer go through all that trouble for a dept. he plans to scrap? I think not. The bottom line is that SCPD costs so much BECAUSE it is effective. You live in one of the safest counties in the US my friend, and like anything else in this life, you get what you pay for. If you want to pay peanuts for police protection like NYC does, you will very shortly enjoy a similar quality of life too.
.... oh, and one more thing....RUN FORREST,RUN!!!!!!!!!!
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units. ...and don't forget the cool cowboy hats. I have news for you Nostradamus, SCPD just became an accredited police department.Would Levy let his boy Dormer go through all that trouble for a dept. he plans to scrap? I think not. The bottom line is that SCPD costs so much BECAUSE it is effective. You live in one of the safest counties in the US my friend, and like anything else in this life, you get what you pay for. If you want to pay peanuts for police protection like NYC does, you will very shortly enjoy a similar quality of life too.[/quote]
Nobody should have to pay $1,000 for patrol services and another $1,000 HQ tax for a fucking police force.
Be Honest
02-25-2006, 07:59 PM
Not to pick sides, gents, but the poster who stated that we live in one of the safest counties in the county is either delusional or purposely lying. Anyone who works in law enforcement or the DAs office knows that Suffolk County drops loads of cases for a plea to a lesser offense. Multiple crimes are routinely lumped together and plead down. Thus high conviction rate and Suffolk "looks" safer. Please don't say this isn't true, because it most certainly is. Fools the public, and that's the point, isn't it? Full reporting of all crimes committed and the actual charges that should apply would send the great unwashed into a panic!
As far a accreditation goes, the agency simply meets some rudimentary standards and pays the fee - now you can put your sticker on the cars - hooray, the public is fooled again.
Try not to be a party to the nonsense the county shovels the masses, it isn't very becoming.
That and a lot of crime is not reported because the public knows SCPD will fuck up or the DA will be soft.
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units. ...and don't forget the cool cowboy hats. I have news for you Nostradamus, SCPD just became an accredited police department.Would Levy let his boy Dormer go through all that trouble for a dept. he plans to scrap? I think not. The bottom line is that SCPD costs so much BECAUSE it is effective. You live in one of the safest counties in the US my friend, and like anything else in this life, you get what you pay for. If you want to pay peanuts for police protection like NYC does, you will very shortly enjoy a similar quality of life too.[/quote]Gee now I'm worried, a troll on a website made a prediction, hey are you the abolish creep? Get real, whether its scpd, or a different name, the game is the same. The dep who posted knows, all the village and town pds knows, outside suffolk agencies know, we have the contract and negotiation agreement all other agencies want. do you think the town/villages make significant less of a salary..no some in fact make more, most in fact match it. Who ever is employing me 10 years from now, the job will be basically unchanged, whether I'm called a deputy or officer..who cares? The salary isnt going down, the benefits arent changing, 90% of the businesses paying the highend of the taxes and most civilians have no problem forking over 500ish for their police force, you want to spend money changing things that dont matter, in example the name of the dept? Go ahead, who really cares?
Here my prediction, 10 years from now the deps are making their 120-160k, the county and villages are making 130, the job is basically the same, except the high end technology, most idiots who cant afford to live here anymore are gone.
Nobody should have to pay $1,000 for patrol services and another $1,000 HQ tax for a //notallowed// police force.
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i dont know about you but in suffolk I pay 543 dollars that goes directly into the general tax fund, (there is no dedicated budget for scpd, right into the same money as social services, welfare etc, )and my tax total is over 10,000. Hells I pay nearly 1000 for a ''free'' vollie service. But your post was dramatic and all, wrong but dramatic, A+
fuction
02-26-2006, 11:13 AM
What makes you think the 1st thing we do as deputies is grieve the salary difference between us and spcd if we took over patrol functions...idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as im concerned there is only one county police force and thats the Sheriff's Office.
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units.My prediction will be that suffolk pd will be volunteer in 3 years, 40 days and 3 hours. The deputies will invade Alberta Canada and start a rebellion against the mounties, after a long battle they will retreat to a remote area of Mastic and interbreed with the Mastiods forming a strange half deputy/ perp hybrid, that will post here about abolishing the scpd and make dumb predictions that most folks just chuckle about.
SCPD costs to much and is not effective
What do you think the town pd costs??My neighbor is a riverhead po who makes 110,000 easy a year, they have less patrol coverage, and the riverhead taxes are slightly lower than mine right now+ or - 50.00$. Riverhead is the lowest paid police force in Suffolk, lets not go into the higher paid ones. The deputies would make the same salary as the pd if they did the same job.
Not to pick sides, gents, but the poster who stated that we live in one of the safest counties in the county is either delusional or purposely lying. Anyone who works in law enforcement or the DAs office knows that Suffolk County drops loads of cases for a plea to a lesser offense. Multiple crimes are routinely lumped together and plead down. Thus high conviction rate and Suffolk "looks" safer. Please don't say this isn't true, because it most certainly is. Fools the public, and that's the point, isn't it? Full reporting of all crimes committed and the actual charges that should apply would send the great unwashed into a panic!
As far a accreditation goes, the agency simply meets some rudimentary standards and pays the fee - now you can put your sticker on the cars - hooray, the public is fooled again.
Try not to be a party to the nonsense the county shovels the masses, it isn't very becoming. Bravo, and you are even more delusional than I if you think that does not go on in every single DA's office in the United States. Allow me to point out to you, however, that in order to lump charges and offer pleas, you need a perp to offer them to, and you must admit that the SCPD helps maintain a pretty nice quality of life here. Can you name two people that you know personally that have been the victim of a serious violent crime here in Suffolk? Can you name one? I cannot. This is not to say that this is Disneyworld and nothing bad ever happens here, it does. But I think you must admit that you can walk through the mall all afternoon and out to your car and down your street in most places in this county without a second thought about your safety.
As for accreditation requiring only rudimentary standards, would you prefer that the police dept. met no standards at all? Am I correct in assuming that you are against having an independent body of experts review the departments policies and procedures? If you are, THATS not very becoming. Hell, I'll even say its ignorant.
SCPD costs to much and is not effective
What do you think the town pd costs??My neighbor is a riverhead po who makes 110,000 easy a year, they have less patrol coverage, and the riverhead taxes are slightly lower than mine right now+ or - 50.00$. Riverhead is the lowest paid police force in Suffolk, lets not go into the higher paid ones. The deputies would make the same salary as the pd if they did the same job.
Riverhead (and the East End in general) ALSO has the deputies and the state troopers.
SCPD costs to much and is not effective
What do you think the town pd costs??My neighbor is a riverhead po who makes 110,000 easy a year, they have less patrol coverage, and the riverhead taxes are slightly lower than mine right now+ or - 50.00$. Riverhead is the lowest paid police force in Suffolk, lets not go into the higher paid ones. The deputies would make the same salary as the pd if they did the same job.
Riverhead (and the East End in general) ALSO has the deputies and the state troopers.Because of the lack of patrol cars?? u betcha if Riverhead, and the East End in general had the staffing scpd maintains, the taxes would be significantly more. The staffing is around 1 car to 15,000 population, doesnt take into account the seasonal homeowners or the summer tourism, the scpd is generally around 10-12000 to 1 car.
My prediction will be that suffolk pd will be volunteer in 3 years, 40 days and 3 hours. The deputies will invade Alberta Canada and start a rebellion against the mounties, after a long battle they will retreat to a remote area of Mastic and interbreed with the Mastiods forming a strange half deputy/ perp hybrid, that will post here about abolishing the scpd and make dumb predictions that most folks just chuckle about.
OH TOO FUNNY,
Brought a big laugh to a quiet tour...........
I must say it again. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Please tell us about his new breed, will it continue to multiply??
and if it does, will it begin to suffer duality issues of self torment and arrest itself "Yin and Yang" . Will the mounties embrace it or attack it?? Does it have, Shhhhhhh.ya know, police status. Ha ha ha '''''''''''''''''''''''''''Please we need to know.
brooklynrosco
02-27-2006, 05:40 AM
I predict that there will be no more SCPD in 10 years ... its fuctions haven been absorbed by the Suffolk Sheriff's Office and the return to the town police in the 5 western towns. SCPD costs to much and is not effective. As it is Levy wants to send all the PD's special units to the Sheriff and I dont see why not as the Sheriff's Office just purchased a helicopter and they also have Marine and ESU units. ...and don't forget the cool cowboy hats. I have news for you Nostradamus, SCPD just became an accredited police department.Would Levy let his boy Dormer go through all that trouble for a dept. he plans to scrap? I think not. The bottom line is that SCPD costs so much BECAUSE it is effective. You live in one of the safest counties in the US my friend, and like anything else in this life, you get what you pay for. If you want to pay peanuts for police protection like NYC does, you will very shortly enjoy a similar quality of life too.
Nobody should have to pay $1,000 for patrol services and another $1,000 HQ tax for a //notallowed// police force.[/quote]
We may get paid peanuts but we get the job done... Dont; forget the safest county because no one can afford to live here with the damn taxes. I predict in the future the residents are going to revolt and SCPD will no longer get these back door raises, and the salary wil stop the major increases. Then the city will catch up with SCPD. Just joking we will never reach you guys. It made me laugh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
brooklynrosco
02-27-2006, 05:43 AM
should of proofed before I posted
I must say it again. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Please tell us about his new breed, will it continue to multiply??
and if it does, will it begin to suffer duality issues of self torment and arrest itself "Yin and Yang" . Will the mounties embrace it or attack it?? Does it have, Shhhhhhh.ya know, police status. Ha ha ha '''''''''''''''''''''''''''Please we need to know.nah, its done. I cant come close to topping that, so why screw up the original?
Leave us alone
02-28-2006, 08:08 PM
I am a Deputy, we don't want anyone else's job's, we don't want to do anything more than we already do. We have a great job, make a decent salary and I personally have few complaints with the exception of the few morons who come on this site to intentionally stir the pot in hopes to piss off the SCPO's enough to draw a response from them. I went though the academy with many PO's and have respect for thier abilities, as they did for mine at the time we BOTH learned them via the same course of study. I and many Deputies are former NYPD, we know what we were and we know where we are now - thank god. So all you sh!t stirrers can just shut up - THANKS !
I can almost agree with you. But, don't blame other's for agitating us into striking back, some of your ninja pals are irritating and You know it. I love how every time one of your own knock us, another steps in to blame it on someone else. We dont believe you, so enough already with your damage control, It's sad. On the other hand I do not have a problem with 90% of your job, nice people. I pull over to eat and entertain myself with this comic strip site and you should do the same, since 95% of it is nick jr.
My prediction will be that suffolk pd will be volunteer in 3 years, 40 days and 3 hours. The deputies will invade Alberta Canada and start a rebellion against the mounties, after a long battle they will retreat to a remote area of Mastic and interbreed with the Mastiods forming a strange half deputy/ perp hybrid, that will post here about abolishing the scpd and make dumb predictions that most folks just chuckle about.
OH TOO FUNNY,
Brought a big laugh to a quiet tour...........
Just showed this to two guys in the 3rd, big laugh also.
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