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maximizz91
08-25-2004, 07:41 PM
This is true for all professions alike not just cops.
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F Hirsch
08-25-2004, 07:56 PM
It is very common for cops to behave in the manner depicted on the various threads on this board, since their blind reflex to "close ranks" and provide cover for their fellow cops overrides any concern they may have for the rights of ordinary citizens.

They will often take extraordinary steps to protect fellow officers from charges of misconduct.

In fact, one of the primary leitmotifs by which police culture can be identified is the so-called "blue wall of silence", an unwritten code of conduct which requires that all police officers, (as well as support personnel), protect their co-workers from any and all charges of malfeasance.

In the civilian world, the closest analogy to the "blue wall of silence" is the Mafia code of "omerta".

VOTEB
08-26-2004, 03:36 AM
Do you know who has the biggest wall of silence? Doctors! Doctors are by far much more corrupt than any other profession. The leading cause of death in this country is MALPRACTICE. And the idiot doctors do nothing more than cover up for each other. Doctors by far, kill more people than they save.

tailor
08-26-2004, 04:12 AM
You call police work a profession? LOL

6 months of simple training and you think its a profession? LOL!!!!!

VOTEB
08-26-2004, 06:21 AM
Do you call going to college for four years, smoking weed, drinking yourself silly, and having liberal BS shoved down your throat by some draft dodging college professor training?

Or do you call medical school training which consists of paying off someone else to take your tests and plagiarizing all your work while being coked up 24/7 training? No wonder Malpractice is the leading cause of death..

True Blue
08-26-2004, 06:38 AM
HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE!!!!
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Citizen Pain
08-26-2004, 05:24 PM
Come on, this guy's act is really getting lame. All he does is pick a controversial topic that he read in some bathroom stall, pontificate on it, and sit back and watch people with opposing views snipe each other over it. The only thing that amazes me is that he doesn't sign his missives "Hirsch has spoken".
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1 in a million
08-26-2004, 09:15 PM
On dark nights in a white suburb, Sgt. Guy Anhorn waited along the roads that led to Philadelphia, the headlights of his police cruiser streaming across Ridge Pike, Stenton Avenue or Flourtown Road.

The Whitemarsh police officer watched for speeders, cars with broken taillights, erratic drivers. If there was a reason to stop a car, Guy Anhorn would find it.

Or, according to the officers who worked for him, he would make one up - often targeting African Americans.

Over a 33-year career that began in 1970, he built a reputation as an aggressive officer who made arrests by the bushel. Anhorn, 57, a tall and burly Vietnam veteran, organized the department's Cop Camp for youth. He twice received the Montgomery County Fraternal Order of Police's award for valor.

He also became known to some officers as a rogue who trampled on established police procedure and civil rights. Some said his reputation was known in the Montgomery County District Attorney's Office, where prosecutors offered plea bargains rather than put him on the stand to testify.

Now, Anhorn is sidelined, forced into retirement by the allegations of fellow officers, who have broken the officers' traditional "blue wall of silence."

In a phenomenon national law-enforcement experts say is highly unusual, nearly three-quarters of the department's officers - 24 out of 33 - have turned against one man. Many of those officers have testified against Anhorn in investigations conducted by the township, the FBI, and a county grand jury.

"To have 24 officers in a 33-officer department come out and make statements about the misconduct of another officer is virtually unheard of," said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Toledo and an expert on police misconduct. "It's as rare as a moon rock."

David Kairys, professor of constitutional law at Temple Law School, had to reach back more than 30 years, to whistle-blowing New York City police officer Frank Serpico, to find a contemporary analogy.

"It is just an extraordinary event - even for one police officer to come forward and testify in this way against another officer," Kairys said.

Officers have accused Anhorn of perjury, warrantless searches, and racial profiling in a township where African Americans make up a mere 2.2 percent of the population. Only one of the township's police officers is black.

According to one officer's account to township officials, Anhorn told him that if he saw a car with more than two African Americans inside, "find a reason and stop it."

In a court hearing, Officer Howard Laskey testified that Anhorn encouraged him to make an arrest first, then worry about justifying the stop later.

Six African American men have sued Anhorn, alleging civil rights violations. All criminal charges against five of the men have been thrown out by county judges, who agreed that Anhorn's stops or searches were unwarranted. The sixth plaintiff was not charged with a crime.

At the same time, a review of 20 years of cases by the county public defender turned up no cases in which Anhorn's arrests could be challenged.

Anhorn has declined to talk publicly about the allegations. But his lawyer, Jack McMahon, has denied all wrongdoing and said a township-commissioned review of Anhorn's activities found no evidence of racial profiling. The consultant's report and two other reports have remained secret.

The township allowed Anhorn to retire in July with full benefits. But seven of his accusers - fellow officers - were slapped with letters of reprimand for not coming forward sooner.

So far, the scandal has cost the township more than $178,000 - paid to investigators, lawyers, and Anhorn, who was out for 79 work days on paid leave.

It has left fault lines in this bedroom community of about 17,000 that lies between Philadelphia and the outer suburbs. In Whitemarsh, sons follow fathers into the police department and residents are proud of knowing their officers by name.

His defenders are convinced that Anhorn is the victim of a political plot, targeted by officers who chafed under his tough work ethic or who wanted to eliminate him as a potential candidate for chief.

"It's like classic political dirty tricks that has just taken on a life of its own," said McMahon, Anhorn's attorney.

An Inquirer analysis of cases on file at the Montgomery County Court of Common Pleas shows that Anhorn's arrest rate of African Americans over the last five years well exceeded the department's average.

Covering the period between 1998 and February 2003, 1,157 criminal cases involving Whitemarsh police are on file in the court clerk's office. Of those, 23 percent were against African Americans; 65 percent against white defendants; and 12 percent were classified as Hispanic, Asian, other or unknown.

During that period, 39 of Anhorn's 103 cases, or 38 percent, were against African Americans. His percentage of cases against black defendants was the highest of the department's 25 most active officers, although three of those officers - who are not accused of racial profiling - trailed Anhorn by less than 2 percentage points.

By the sheer volume of his arrests, Anhorn's cases against African Americans represent nearly one in seven of all the Whitemarsh cases against black defendants.

Rebellion in the police department began surfacing after Richard Zolko, the township's beloved chief of 22 years, died in July 2002. Though Lt. Jesse Stemple, Zolko's highest ranking officer, appeared a likely successor, resistance from the rank and file blocked his way.

Supervisor Michael Zeock, a retired 25-year Whitemarsh patrolman elected to the board in 2001, said he told his fellow supervisors of the friction.

"There was no direction. There was favoritism. It was headed for a downfall," he said.

The board hired Charles Hale of Chicago, an author of textbooks on police procedure, to evaluate the department's operations. Hale interviewed every police employee. In his report, he told supervisors that they had a problem with one of their sergeants.

"If even a portion of the allegations against this sergeant [are] true, [the] department has a serious problem on its hands and swift action must be taken to correct it," Hale wrote on Dec. 15 to township manager Larry Gregan.

The township turned next to lawyer David MacMain, who has defended officers in numerous civil rights lawsuits. MacMain's study, submitted in February, found the officers' claims to be unsubstantiated.

But the issue was far from settled. In a March letter signed by 24 officers, supervisors were told of coercion and intimidation by their superior officers during the MacMain investigation. The officers described a "dangerous" work environment and demanded a meeting.

At a closed meeting in April, township supervisors got their first full dose of the allegations, presented by five senior police officers.

According to documents obtained by The Inquirer, the 36-page PowerPoint presentation provided specific details from nine officers, saying that Anhorn:

Randomly followed vehicles, running criminal histories and license checks, then using that information to justify a traffic stop. One officer said Anhorn advised him to follow this strategy to catch "critters."

Encouraged officers to embellish their arrest affidavits to strengthen their cases, and lied under oath concerning his own trumped-up affidavits.

Regularly searched vehicles with no reasonable suspicion that motorists were involved in criminal activity.

The township put Anhorn on paid leave two days later and hired a third consultant, Philadelphia-based Keystone Intelligence Network, to investigate. Officers were ordered not to discuss the case and have maintained a public silence.

Soon after, the FBI and Montgomery County district attorney opened investigations of Anhorn. Four African American men filed a federal civil-rights lawsuit in federal court against Anhorn, Stemple and Whitemarsh police. Lawsuits by two other men followed.

On July 10, supervisors' chairman Ronald DeRosa announced the completion of Keystone's 72-page report. While the report did not substantiate racial profiling, it did lay out other bases for discipline.

Anhorn retired two weeks later. Until then, he had not retreated an inch. Against his lawyer's advice, he testified in criminal cases, even as FBI agents sat in the courtroom taking notes and after a county grand-jury investigation had begun. At one hearing, he waited defiantly outside the courtroom alongside the same officers who would testify against him.

His grown children, Jay, Rebecca and Susan, circulated a letter in June seeking support. "Our dad has always conducted his life in an honest and principled manner, both in and out of uniform," read the letter.

Throughout the controversy, supporters on both sides have questioned supervisors at township meetings, but received few answers from officials who say it is a personnel matter. The township has yet to choose a new chief, but is expected to do so as early as this week.

Most galling to Anhorn's supporters is the sentiment that lawbreakers are going free. In four cases, defendants found with drugs escaped convictions.

Timothy Woodward, former Montgomery County first assistant district attorney - who represents a white defendant arrested by Anhorn on a drunken-driving charge - said Anhorn long was known within the District Attorney's Office for having "constitutional problems" with his cases. Woodward said other assistant prosecutors would regularly strike plea bargains in Anhorn's cases rather than risk the case falling apart on technical violations.

District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr. said he had "never heard such things," adding that he was unaware of the allegations until Whitemarsh officers contacted his office in March.

Hale, the police consultant, said he was "appalled" that seven officers who accused Anhorn have received reprimands for knowing about or suspecting misconduct and failing to come forward immediately.

"I believe the officers who came forward should have been commended and publicly applauded for having the guts to do the right thing," he said.

Dwayne Richard Johnson, an African American businessman, moved to Whitemarsh from Chestnut Hill in 2001. Last September, Anhorn entered his world when Johnson was involved in a confrontation with a white service-station attendant.

Johnson said he reported the incident to police, only to be told by Anhorn that Johnson would face "serious trouble" if he ever returned to that station.

An outraged Johnson joined the civil rights suit against Anhorn.

"This has been going on for a while," he said. "We want to make it public so it won't happen to other people who come to Whitemarsh - whether they live here or they're just passing through."

Centurion
08-27-2004, 09:12 AM
If he in fact committed the acts of which he's been accused, he deserves to be punished.

But, don't beat around the bush, Mr. Hirsch. If you have a point, state it.

American justice
08-29-2004, 06:37 PM
Quote:If you have a point, state it.

"To have 24 officers in a 33-officer department come out and make statements about the misconduct of another officer is virtually unheard of," said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Toledo and an expert on police misconduct. "It's as rare as a moon rock."


The point is that you police officers wonder why people do not respect you....and when we don't respect you, you get pissed off at us. Yet when you disrespect the public by covering up for your brothers and sisters misconduct or illegal conduct, you see nothing wrong with your deceptions.

How are we suppose to respect a group of people (cops)who get mad at people (civilians) who lie and cover up for their own misdeeds, when it is nationally recognized that police officers are notorious for covering up the truth when it comes to their own criminal indiscretions?

Perhaps when police officers start acting like the men and women of integrity that they claim to be, they will start to garner the respect decent officers deserve.

civilian
08-29-2004, 07:26 PM
Mr. Klepper, it is hard to argue with your logic. Though I suspect there will be some who will try.

civilian
08-29-2004, 07:42 PM
Quote:If he in fact committed the acts of which he's been accused, he deserves to be punished.

I agree.

BUT, the real question is what action should be taken against the officers who knew of the sergeant's abuse and misconduct, and did nothing about it for more than three decades?

This thread isn't about one officer. It's about the officers who looked the other way while an out-of-comtrol cop committed crimes against the public.

FYI
08-31-2004, 12:00 PM
is the "new" posting for the ever boring county resident, looking to prove to the world he is someone, and we are no ones
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pps
08-31-2004, 12:20 PM
since when are pos hired to earn respect? that seems to be a concern of the public not the laws.
if the entire point of all your words is that there are "bad"guys, no crap.and yes there are some cops that will cover up for others.
the amount of them, however is very small. comparatively in the civilian world crime and cover ups run amok.that is just the way it is. that is half the reason we can barely talk to civilians, most either want free advice or just want to rag on us like you

Mr Justice
08-31-2004, 01:40 PM
if I see another cop beating the crap out of a perp, I would never turn them in. real perps know, if you run from the police, youre gonna get an ass stomping. plus it's fun! god I love this job.

Y U Laughing
08-31-2004, 02:29 PM
yeah definitelty same song different day hirsch, klepper, civilian, county resident same broken record, pretty lame

wait until your on the ot
08-31-2004, 07:14 PM
funny, we were just talking about that, how many residents of farmingville were probably more opened minded before they were taken over by the no green carders. wont find 1 taxpayer talking about civil rites in farmingville, just how the gov't has deserted them. all republicans there now.
everyone wants to be protected from uncle sam until it affects them. then the story changes

LE Duncan
08-31-2004, 07:16 PM
Quote:i find most people staunch supporters of civil rights, until they're a victim of crime.

i find most people staunch supporters of the police, until they've found their head bashed in for no reason or their life turn upside down by a criminal cop.

03-04-2006, 02:20 PM
HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE!!!!

03-04-2006, 02:25 PM
if I see another cop beating the crap out of a perp, I would never turn them in. real perps know, if you run from the police, youre gonna get an ass stomping. plus it's fun! god I love this job. you have a serious mental problem,

03-04-2006, 02:33 PM
[quote="Anonymous"][quote="True Blue"]HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR SO thats why you get the big bucks .

03-04-2006, 02:39 PM
HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE!!!! your in the wrong type of work.

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004
03-04-2006, 02:44 PM
HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE!!!! your in the wrong type of work.You are in the wrong year.....Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:38 am

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004
03-04-2006, 02:45 PM
[quote="Anonymous"][quote=True Blue]HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR SO thats why you get the big bucks .they are bigger now by 2 years since this thread was even looked atPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:38 am

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004
03-04-2006, 02:46 PM
HEY IF YOU EVER GET ROBBED BY GUN POINT OR YOUR NEIGHBOR KICKS YOUR GEEKY BUTT DON'T CALL THE POLICE........GO CALL A DOCTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE!!!! Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:38 amyes ...............

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004
03-04-2006, 02:47 PM
if I see another cop beating the crap out of a perp, I would never turn them in. real perps know, if you run from the police, youre gonna get an ass stomping. plus it's fun! god I love this job. you have a serious mental problem,you have a serious life problem look at the date Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:38 am Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:46 am only a few years off...get a life troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

03-04-2006, 06:06 PM
maybe he thinks one of the posters from 2 years ago is waiting to hear his reply,lol

03-06-2006, 03:03 PM
maybe he thinks one of the posters from 2 years ago is waiting to hear his reply,lolit just took him two years to think of his ''witty'' comebacks, hes been in isolation working on it. special boy that he be.

ffej.tgs
04-01-2006, 02:40 PM
Mr. Menso, Your story and replies are bizarre to say the least. Originally all I asked for was a story to back up your accusations. You finally provided your side to the story which quite honestly doesn't add up. One thing I have noticed is that you tend to forget to mention such things as your history with the NYPD and ultimate dismissal due to illigal drug use until it was thrown out there by another individual. You also seem to have a tendency of playing down your own wrongs while building others into the crimes of the century. You refer to your case involving illigal drug use as only a violation yet at the time you were employed as a NYPD detective and as anyone should know that law enforcement officers are and should be held to a higher standard. You obvioulsly used extremely bad judgement during your career as a police officer and so what is to lead us to believe that your judgement has improved at all through the years

07-17-2006, 10:19 PM
hi my new identity is F. Hirsch, I'm righteous and never did anything wrong, never committed any crimes. Its true, otherwise how would I expect you the misled flock to realize your failures and be like me?

07-21-2006, 03:58 AM
Hi F. Hirsch want some weed? I'm County Resident, and I'm a
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mesno
07-29-2006, 12:39 PM
were u banned when you posted this?