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[Tom5647]

Just had to vent. I hate when I pull over City corrections and the say "I'm on the job" no you "have a job" so good for you. Also when city firemen immediately show their ID like the are "on the job". I probably wouldn't write either one but show your license and insurance card and mention where you work after you hand it to me. Also if I'm diving on the LIE at 70mph, do not pass me. It's bad enough other cops do it, but I would never write them. But corrections or FDNY? If PUSHED I would write them and maybe enjoy it.

[MaybeItsTime]

If you hate so much to pull people over, maybe you should request a different job. Dooshes with attitudes like yours are what keeps HPB a Dept. laughing-stock. Do EVERYONE a favor - drop your prissy attitude, or go to a precinct and re-learn what being a cop is about.

[SCPD13]

You are a jerk off. Ever heard of courtesy? What if you are rolling around with some mutt on the side of the LIE one day and your ready is kicked across all 4 lanes of traffic, and the only thing making it possible for you to see your wife and kids again is the fact that the Off Duty Fireman, MP, CO, Public Safety, Park Ranger, OUt of state PD, etc. is the one that comes to your aid? Lose your ego of "Im a cop, your not" attitude and remember we are all that each other has.

[SCPD13]

the word "Ready" was supposed to be "Radio" in my last post, sorry about the error

[Tom5647]

The cable guy, pool guy, Lipa guy, construction worker, landscaper? They could all help. Where does it end? I give courtesy to cops. Anyone else and that includes fireman, corrections and the jobs listed above is on a person by person basis. They could all help you when your getting your as@ kicked on the side of the road you idiot.I put FDNY on the same coutesy level as city sanitation and those I listed above.

[One more time]

I was a Suffolk cop. I am no more. On about 4 or 5 occasions I had the balance of power shifted in my direction during a car stop or a violent confrontation. During those instances it was always an off duty NYPD cop who stopped and asked in his most formal "awficer R U OK, do you need a hand". On those occasions in those sectors way out east that your nearest backup from Suffolk was 10 minutes away my balls were plucked from most likely an ass kicking from more than one perp by an off duty cop from a distant jurisdiction. Other cars passed me and I can only guess they were driven by lawyers, teachers, plumbers, accountants. Despite the caste system that allows some stupid suburban cops to believe they are somehow superior to their urban counterparts, I have a reality check for you. In case you didn't realize it, despite how much more we get paid, our collars are blue. The same color as NYPD, Parks, Courts, etc. The only people who have the situational awareness to realize that you are in trouble are other LEOs. My ass was NEVER saved by anyone other than a cop on duty or off. If you feel you are superior, fine live in your delusional world and think you are superior, but at least give those "inferior" badge wearers a break since they aren't as fortunate as you and getting off on a ticket or two is a little payback to them for having to do the "shitty" job for half of our pay.

[scpd hopeful]

It baffles me that u (Tom) cannot grasp the fact that these people deserve a break just as much as any of ur fellow SCPD officers. If u wake up one night and smell smoke (god forbid) what will u be hoping to hear? who will be on their way to u sirens blareing? who is going to risk his life to save u and ur family's? I'll tell u who a fireman! They put thir life's on the line every day, just like u do! And the Corrctions officers, they spend everyday dealing with the filth that u help take off the street. So if maybe they expect a little break from a fellow protector of the people, is that really something to disagree with?

[scpd hopeful]

How can u put a member of the FDNY on the same level of a sanitation worker?!?!? How is running into burning buildings and taking out the garbage even close to deserving of the same courtesy?!??! Like I said b4 who will u be praying for if u smell smoke?????

[tip of the day]

never write someone a summons that you may one day run into either at a socially or through your employment. if a guy works corrections there is a chance you may see him at court, on a prisoner run or hearing/trial. expect all sorts of problems in that case, you will be last at a minimum.
many nyfd are vollies out here, many have taken our tests, you may not want to consider them your equal but regardless, dont let your ego get in your way.be smart.
if you yank a cop on his way to work in another jurisdiction,dont lecture him either, many have taken our tests, you will be seeing them again.
to quote a famous perp"cant we all just get along"

[SCPD13]

If tom's shield is 5647 that can explain a lot too. That is the problem with this job nowadays, kids coming on and aren't taught the right way. Or nutjobs with big egos that the thinks their gods gift cause they are wearing a uniform, they are the reason that people look down on us. Or he is just simply a Highway guy, which then explains everything as well.

[scpd patrol]

I agree with you SCPD13!! To be fair though, not all HWY guys suffer discretion/courtesy problems. I know of a few that always do the right thing. Stay safe out there guys!!
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[deuce]

SCPD13...you cast a wide net with your statement "or is he just simply a Highway guy...". I am in Highway, just got there a short time ago, and I can say this in my short time there, 99% of the guys there are great, do NOT have huge egos because they're in Highway, and give 100% courtesy. Are there a couple who are jerkoffs ?..hell yeah, but don't label the whole unit. I really don't know what the hell that other guy was talking about, or maybe he's just too new to understand that we ALL really need each other out there, as we never know what the hell can happen at any given time.
Also, before you spout off on me, I'm no newbie, I've been around for some time, so I think I know what I'm talking about. To all, stay safe ! RIP PO3444
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[tom 5647]

I agree 100% with "one more time". I would never ever write another cop. City or A cop from Atlanta, retired or not. I would also never write a volly FD out here. I guess I just have a disliking to FDNY after seeing them doing stuff I don't agree with at 911. Always starting sh@@ with the NYPD. You were absolutely right when you said it will be another cop that will help you on the side of the road, off duty or not. All I'm saying is if your a city fireman don't come off to me like your "on the job". I'm just saying that I would give courtesy to a city fireman like I would another Joe, depending on how they acted. If push came to shove I wouldn't write another cop. If push came to shove I would write a fireman.

[SCPD13]

Hey guys, we are all cops. That's what it comes down to, and we should be banding together not against each other. I get pretty worked up when I don't see the brotherhood anymore, or im coming through Virginia and have to get the berating lecture from a VA state trooper- because if god forbid we do die on this job, we all end up on the same piece of marble wall in DC. Deuce, forgive me about the broad statement about Hwy., im sure you know that there are guys in there that will write "On duty" cops, but at the same time let us not forget the ultimate sacrifice made by PO Hernandez. Tom, all I can say is show discretion- we are all that each other has. Especially the Corrections guy, regardless of the Penal law saying he is a peace officer, there really isn't much of a difference. And if you needed help you probably wouldn't care if it was Peace officer or Police Officer because i can bet you that CO who is use to fighting mutts all day would probably be much better backup.

Enough said, lets all be safe out there. We have terror threats looming, lets use our heads together- not against each other.

[Hey Tommy]

There's a reason that nobody wanted to talk to you when you worked in the precinct as a relief driver - you are a douche.

That is why you took your big chip on your shoulder and brought it to Hwy. You're a cowpoke.

Sounds like you need a good blanket party son, to fix your big ego. What was it you did there at Ground Zero again?

[Three Ten]

I give everyone the "civil service discount." Very good thing to do. There are enough skells out there to give a package to without giving nice, normal everyday people summonses. I have 12 utt on 2 drivers and numerous car stops. Gave a city cop, FDNY and even a LIRR conductor a pass among others. Be wise, we only have each other no matter the jurisdiction! I think I need to go back to being an FTO!

[tom 5647]

Just wanted to clear this up. 5647 is not my shield. it is just my screen name for my computer. I had to pick them random cause Tom**** were already picked. I hope by chance the guy with that shield numbers name isn't Tom. Oh well whats the chances of that.

[tom]

Whether you are a rookie or not, Tom - you still sound like a douche. If stopping cars and getting frustrated because you gotta extend courtesy puts a twist in your prissy knickers, submit your transfer request. Oh yeah - ya need a hook to get OUT of Highway Patrol. I wonder why that is?
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[SCPD12]

Now boys, a bit of truth. Where there may be many good guys in Highway; it truly is the Land of Misfitcops. The reason Tommy with his Five thousand Six hundred shield number is there is because he was the lowest in Seniority. SCPD can not get enough Cops to voluntarily go to Highway. They must force young cops to go there. So please excuse his views on enforcement. With that tin # he has just over two years on. What Suffolk did for many years was to put the "Problems" in Highway and it has come around to bite them in the rear. So we have to force Rookies there, how sad.
LET IT BE KNOWN that the SCPD does extend courtesy to many and NYPD, FDNY, Corrections, MTA are on the JOB. It goes without saying that courtesy goes both ways. It is not a good idea to pass a Marked NYPD Highway 3 car and it the reverse also goes. Oh and please, just ID yourself rightaway, instead of asking/arguing why you were pulled over and then saying ur on the job. It would just save so much time.
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[tom 5647]

I am not in highway and do not havce less than 2 years on. You should read my last post you moron. I do extend coutesy to NYPD MTA Port authority Volunteer FD corrections. Just not FDNY. So Go Fuc@ yourself and if your a fireman in the city just hope u don't get pulled over by Tommy!

[TomIzA]

Sorry, Tom - I just ASSUMED you were in HPB because you sound like a whiney bee-otch ("How dare you speed on MY road?").

Why don't you do your precinct a favor and put in for Highway so you can concentrate on your crusade against NYFD members - I bet the poor guys and gals who work around you have already concluded that you're a douche, and would be ecstatic if you left.

[tom 5647]

I'm rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Moron

[Tommyneedsabeatin]

Blanket party time my little Tommy bee-icch.
Blanket party for Tommy.

Who's coming??

[Tom5647]

The only person coming is your wife

[TommyDouche]

Hey, Tom

I bet you were the guy in school who never played any team sports, always got picked last for your gym teams, and got stuffed in your locker on a regular basis. Unfortunately, you've been given a little authority, and you've lost your mind. In your mind, it's payback time. (Revenge of the geek) I'm sure every motorist you stop you visualize as the guy who used to stuff you in your locker, whip dodgeballs at your head, etc. - and it kills you deep inside when you can't issue a summons.

"Respect my authoritah!"

Oh, and by the way, Tom - if you'd like to continue this conversation in person, I'd be delighted to discuss your views further. You set the time and date, and I'll meet you in the parking lot of the PBA Office.

[Tom5647]

Hit that sore spot huh? I love it! Tell your wife I said hello

[TommyDouche]

You're right, Tom - Ya got me. I just can't keep up with your witty banter. I give up.

Later, douche

[SCPD12]

After reading Tom5647, I have to wonder if he is really on the job. I'm prior NYPD and have had run ins with FDNY, in the past and on the street in the present. Even if the guy is being unpleasant, I always give him a break. FDNY, NYPD are underpaid/under appreciated and after 9/11 I'm going to give both of those jobs some slack. Sorry,Tom 5647, your panties are on too tight. I hope you are not really SCPD.
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[SCPD]

something else to be understood. u write or act like a smug s o b with anyone, when they go into work, they say another scumbucket scpd wrote me/ acted like a ass''le. not tom 5647 wrote me.
i live out here, every school thing i show up for with my son or daughter, there 's an offduty nypd, ncpd,or whatever telling me what a prick one of my brothers was TO HIM OR HIS FAMILY that just isnt right.
i always go out of my way to do the right thing, as does every guy i work with.yet we all get lumped in with the screw-ups.how u deal with our brothers reflects on all of us.
u want to look down at non police civil servants? remember as someone posted we all take the same tests, sooner or later, you will be working with them.

[city guy]

it aint a rookie thing its a knucklehead thing. if a city guy tells u about some dead end from your job, understand hes venting. anything more than that hes got issues.he should know better.
ive had nothing but good encounters with guys in sc +ncpd. we have them too,knuckleheads, difference is u guys dont commute thru here 2x a day.

[Tom5647]

I guess I didn't make myself clear. I give alot of people breaks. If a guy works for the post office, cablevision, LIPA, nurses etc. My point was that FDNY is on this level. I would probably give a break to all these guys but if I stop a fireman I don't expect him to say "I'm on the job". Just like I wouldn't expect a LIPA employee to say "I'm on the job". Cops are on a different tier where even if they acted like an as@hole I'm gonna grin my teeth and walk away. A fireman acts like one he's getting a summons just like the mailman.

[Sheik Yabooty]

FDNY under paid? they make as much as NYPD for a part time job....8 days a month....Did you forget the "courtesy "they showed our brothers at ground zero?,sucker punching a bunch of rookies? They get no courtesy from me those drunk,land pirate,body robbing slugs

[PO3617]

I think the Tom bashing has run its course. I have never seen the word douche written so much in my life. Courtesy is a two way street. We extend courtesy to so many people from so many different professions that i can't even count. If you get pulled over, whether you are PD, FD, Corrections, etc.. you don't give the cop an attitude and you don't mouth off. None of us would want it done to us so don't do it to another officer. When i get stopped, i turn the engine off, interior light on, hands on the wheel wait for the officer to get to the car and then identify myself and tell the officer whether or not i am carrying. I have stopped several off duties who stick their heads out and stick their shields out the window. i can't speak for anyone else but a shiny silver object coming out of the window makes me a little edgy but I digress. There are idiots on every job and these are the ones that go to work and complain what a bad experience they had with the SCPD. It isn't always easy to do the right thing and extend courtesy but we work hand in hand with these agencies and even though you personally don't have too many dealings with these people another cop might. Don't screw him or her over for a personal beef. I personally believe "on the job" is reserved for cops. If you are FD, Corrections, etc.. identify yourself as such. I'll extend you the courtesy. I apologize for such a long novel
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[tom 5647]

I agree 100%

[tom 5647]

I also argee with you. I've seen the fdny punch another cop on video. I've seen with my own eyes one push one out of the way to gain access to a house.(or should I say a project)and back in 92 when I was on a foot post in Brownsville in the dead of the winter, yell out Enjoy the cold rookie as they drove by. You still shouldn't stereotype all firemen and this is why I would possibly extend courtesy but if one gave me an attitude I would surely write him. Enough said. Many bad experiences with FDNY and no good ones from my years in the city. I could understand guys that never worked for the city not understanding and even some that did. But I've seen it first hand. A city fireman at a demonstration wouldn't think twice about putting his hands on a city cop doing his job working at the demonstration, trust me.

[SCPD12]

Tom, You need help. I don't know how or where you should get it, but I'm pointing out to you, your reactions or over reactions are bizarre. Sorry FDNY treated you so bad, and you can't get over it. Let me state again FDNY is on the job. SCPD is NOT going to become embroiled in an internal city fight. We like NYPD, FDNY, MTA cops, PORT PD, AMityville fire Vols, Montauk fire Vols, Northport FD/PD. We all help each other out. What goes around comes around. You help me I help you.
Sadly TOMMY if you are that hard up for something to do come down to Wyandanch or CI, Amityville or Brentwood. We can find alot for you to do there. You will not have to worry about being tormented by the fire dept there.
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[PO 1021]

I agree with everything everybody has said. Especially what you guys have said. I agree that the fireman are on their jobs. I agree with them too. I drive on the LIE too and I write more tickets that a trybal chief on a mary-go-round, so listen up. I agree with tom and PO7263 and PO4523. So lissen up. I agree we shouldnt aleeanate our fellow brothers and sisters and COs too because it all takes the same road to get to the same pond.

So lighten up on this topic and cant we all get along as Bill Crosby once said. So I agree with that. this is a great thread and so many great ideas. lets not go bashing the guys who put it where the rubber meets the road as they say.

I'm with you tom. If trouble gets what trouble needs then we'd all do better to take a day to think before we put on that gray jumpsuit.

[NCPD1123]

Tom you have some great points. Just don't forget some of the fd are not the sour bunch you've experienced but From what you've said I think u know that

[preglock]

i think a good point made how u treat fdny, cos reflects on all of us. sadly u've had problems with couple fdny, so u assume all are bad, these guys probably have same stories about nypd, treat each person like just that a person. if u have to write someone, thats life, but again u represent us, ive been in scpd's position were a offduty tells me how the sector guy didnt help his dm wife, i know the guy, and told the nypd he's a jerk*ff. u dont want to get that rep with your own.
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[854]

I never assume any entitlement but here is my take if I am pulled over:

A: an apology is in order from me
B: My License, Reg, insurance and ID Card are handed over.
C: I do not verbalize my affiliation due to in car recorders which could compromize the officers ability to just give a warning.
D: If you are speeding and see a patrol car starting out after you, STOP! Don't make him chase you down. You are placing him and everyone else in danger. Is this an admission of guilt, yeah, so what?
E: Total coutesy to the officer is absolute and if you receive a summons, take it like a man and another apology is in order.

Just my $0.02

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[former NYC PD]

The City fireman look down on the cops in the city. If one gave me an attitude I would not think twice about writing one of them. I agree they should not assume courtesy which is a right I feel all cops deserve (retired or not). I'm sure most of these other guys never had to work hand and hand with these as@holes and spent their whole careers in big bad Suffolk County.

[854]

<<<I'm sure most of these other guys never had to work hand and hand with these as@holes >>>

Talk about biting the hands that fed you.

Do tell, how many firehouses turned you away on a cold winters night? I have over 20 years in the FDNY and never, I mean NEVER, had a run in with an MOS. Courtesy was king and still is. I defy you to find a firehouse in the 5 boroughs that will turn away a cop.


So, former NYC PD, (I notice it doesn't say retired). Tell us about all the horrible things we did to you in the big bad city.
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[scpd relief driver]

see the post in response to fullmetaljacket,thread wouldntitbebeautiful. keep the city problems in the city. keep the city attitude in the city, or keep you in the city. we dont need your problems

[MOS]

FDNY have sticky fingers............seen it with my own eyes

[854]

seen what? and if true...did what? (you that is)
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[scpd hopeful]

just wondering, Do u guys also extend courtesy to volly EMTs? Just askin cause i was talking to a new one and she was all indignant that she cant get a ticket, " we have an agreement" " lets see wat would happen if a scpd/NCPD/trooper wrote me!!!" Sounded pretty arogant to me!?!?!

[SAMPSON]

depends where she works, thats where she'll get the pass. u dont shiite where you eat, the vollies do a great job for the community, and for us. we dont need to be sitting waiting 10+minutes because they have beef with us.we take care of each other
as far as attitude thats just a show for you, when i've pulled over a volley, they've never been anything but polite.

[tom 5647]

I would extend full courtesy to a volly. They usually act accordingly. It's FDNY that I've had problems with and get under my skin. My patience will be more for a volly out here than a city fireman.

[Uniformed civil servants]

tom 5647

I don't think 5647 is Tom's shield #. He acts more like it was his FDNY list number when they hired 5646 guys.

[makes you a rookie when y]

Stop judging everyone because of a couple.. Being a cop you should know that.

So what you get an attitude some times...
Big Deal.
I am sure you can take it

[tom 5647]

You all make very good points. I give coutesy to more people than most cops I wok with. A 2000 City PBA card. Is good. Why not, I'm sure another package will come along. But I have a pet peeve for city firemen only. I still wouldn't write one unless they acted like a real dic@. Then I would sorry to disagree but just HATE the FDNY. Watching that one tape of them attacking city cops made me furious! I know it's not all of them but hey if he's acting like a dic@ when I stop him fuc@'em.

[854]

Police detective busted for trying to ilicit sex from 14 YO boy!

All cops are gay pedophiles!!!!!!

Can I judge you by the act of one?

Or should I judge all LEOs as FDNY hating summons happy a$$holes like yourself?

My opinion is this:

The majority of MOS find your feelings as offensive as I do. Grow up and serve your fellow man! This isn't a contest, it's about "DOING THE RIGHT THING"
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[Tom5647]

854 I'm sure you only have your GED cause you must not have read the last sentence in my last reply. you r a complete moron.

[preglock]

something to mull over tom, judging from your post you are from 1 of the last 2-3 classes, you are fairly new out here. you dont want to stand out. be careful who you write, if you have that attitude and the fd has the same things can get ugly. i
f you do issue him a utt, understand someone on our job probably knows him or his boss, and there is a good chance you and the yellow/pink could be destined for a 12 to the c.o. not the place you want to be, most cos are very pr minded and if you re not 1 of their cash cows, you might have some splaining to do. this has happened in the past,just be sure there is more than just an old grudge there.
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[Dont worry]

If he does go in on a 12 and has to explain himself to the CO, the CO will just take all of the copies of the UTT and "look into it". The UTT will never be seen again. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Don't worry IA knows this goes on and won't do anything about your missing summonse either.

[854]

It only takes a 1st grade education to cut and paste:

"It's FDNY that I've had problems with and get under my skin."

"I guess I just have a disliking to FDNY"

"I do extend coutesy to NYPD MTA Port authority Volunteer FD corrections. Just not FDNY. So Go Fuc@ yourself and if your a fireman in the city just hope u don't get pulled over by Tommy!"

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[12 to co]

but then again i'm not from the last few classes. cos generally prefer not to deal with rookies too often.dont like hearing about pos not doing the right thing. and only a co can sign off a cancelled utt.

[SCCO]

I can only speak for myself, but the unfortunate few times I've been stopped the PO's were 100% courteous.

I always slow up and take a long look when I see a PD unit on a car stop. I'd stop in an instant if it was necessary, and I'm never armed.

I know intake guys have often overlooked bad remand forms and sent the PO's on their merry way, rightfully so.

It works both ways, why make a public issue of it?

btw- tks

[Tom5647]

City correction (rikers) everyone of them I've met have been a perp. Since coming out to the Island have had no problems wth Suffolk-Nassau CO's as far as I'm concerned they get full courtesy as do cops. I wouldn't even put Long Isaland CO's in the same sentence as NYC CO's.

[SCCO]

We've had a few of them locked up out here. They were hard to differentiate from our 'regulars'. I suppose more perps get hired out there, due to their numbers, which reflects poorly on the hard working normal people in there trying to do the job.

[scpd patrol]

I extend myself pretty much for anyone, civil servants or not. Attitude is a big factor. We recently had a problem with a certain Hwy Po who finds it fun to break chops of his OWN !! I heard of the incident the other night on Rt 27. C'mon, dude!! This is not the first time this has occured. He's even harder on outside agencies, not just verbally abusive! He doesn't represent the vast majority of us, thankfully.
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[OLDTIMER]

There is nothing sweeter than hearing the words while on a V/T; "Sorry officer, here is a PBA card, my (Father, husband,neighbor, etc. ) works in Highway".

I have had the pleasure twice to hear those words 3 times in 18 years!!

Let me ask you Highway guys a question? Why do you even bother giving your kids or spouse a PBA card? You should have your own seperate union and be your own department, I never considered you guys one of us! Of course if you called for help I would be there in a heartbeat because I am much better than you too. Remember that.
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[deuce]

Yet another blanket statement about a whole unit due to the stupidity of a few. Old timer, if you really are, because you sound like a rook, I guess you don't have any a-holes where YOU work. Don't label all because of the actions of a few. Are you saying you'd burn a PBA card just because the family member worked in Highway?? If thats the case, then you're a worse jerkoff than the d-head who works in 913A
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[OLDTIMER]

Deuce, I think you probably work in Highway because you like the job itself- that's fine. I also think you realize now that along with the job comes the reputation you guys project onto other cops. It's not just one or two A**holes in Highway, it's more like there are one or two good guys. Don't take it out on us non-Hwy guys because we are fed up at being treated like perps for doing 70MPH by our own people. Change the system from within, be a leader and wake up the guys you work with. Share with us the secrets of what makes you guys turn against your own brothers and answer an age old question of what makes Highway think they are above us. Because when a highway guy calls for help, it all shows up in the same uniform.

Me a rook? Sorry Kiddo, I know you probably came on this job long after the times when you didn't have to work construction on the weekends to pay for your kids school clothes. You guys don't know how good you have it coming on now. Do I have a**holes where I work? Absolutely. Does my Pct., unit, Squad, etc. have a unit wide reputation for being A**holes nationwide to brothers in blue? Absolutely not. Therein lies the problem. Be an innovator, when you hear about one of your fellow PO's turning professional courtesy into a joke- embarass them, make them realize it's wrong.

Lastly, if my son and daughter ever did something stupid I would expect a courtesy call, and a lecture to them is much appreciated. Not that they ever would, but if one of my kids showed the slightest amount of disrespect I would WANT you to bury them in paper to teach them a lesson. But when I just get off from work, after a busy night answering more radio calls than a highway guy see's in 5 years, and I jut get done driving an emergency vehicle all night at high speeds and all I want to do is get home to my family- don't dare talk to me like im some POS 18 year old in an IROC because Im doing over 55!
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[SCPD alumni]

Sorry, I think OldTimer hit the nail on the head. Highway has a terrible reputation, and has had for many years. I'm not sure what causes it, but it is a phenomenon that has existed for a long, long time. For whatever reason, some of the highway guys feel the need to act superior and talk down to brother officers, knowing they have the upper hand at the moment. It's almost like they have an inferiority complex or something. On a few occasions there were repercussions that got ugly. There's absolutely no reason for this to be going on, and the solution is for highway guys to remember they are still part of a brotherhood that should be treating each other with the utmost respect. We've all heard horror stories about how certain highway cops belittle other cops and relatives. It needs to stop.
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[scpd patrol]

Amen, brother!!!
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[NYC PO]

I am a Nyc PO and just wanted to say something. I have been stopped by Suffolk highway once and was treated with professionalism. My best friend is a Suffolk PO and was he was stopped with me in the car by Suffolk Highway and treated like a perp. There are jerk offs in every dept. but it is a shame that none of their coworkers ( city highway included) that say anything to them about it. I was stopped by Nassau Highway coming home from the range and the @#%$ threw my paperwork on my lap and stated " You city guys are too f--king much, why did you do it (change lanes without signaling) right in front of me?" I said, "sorry, I didn't realize i didn't, I am just exhausted" And he tells me "it's not my problem, don't be smart"! He asked me why, i tell him, and he tells me not to talk back. @#%$'s on every job. And I have been treated greatly by Nassau Highway as well. I think that it is unfortunatly going to come down to A pissed of cop (regardless of agency) that is treated like @#%$ in front of His family, to get out of his car and knock one of these guys off their high horse on the side of the road. The cop will be locked up (rightfully so I guess) but at least the guy who gets knocked on his ass may, MAY think next time before he talks down to another cop like he is better than another guy who does the same job (sometimes for a lot less pay). And, not for nothing, if I saw that same Nassau guy (well known in the city AND Nassau depts.) getting his ass kicked on the side of the road tommorow, I would still stop to help him. Just something for them to think about, only we care about each other, maybe a civilian would call 911 for you. MAYBE.

[PO3617]

There are a few bad apples everywhere that ruin it for the whole bunch. I know that a lot of the higway guys are aces. Unfortunately they have to be grouped with the handful of jerks who have no business interacting with the public. My wife was stopped by a SCPD highway cop for speeding (which she admits that she was doing). She showed my card, identified that she was my wife, and this guy makes her sit there for 10 mins before giving her info back and telling her next time she gets a ticket. Just a word to the few highway guys who are ruining it for the rest. You have to know that you are going to stop cops and their families when you are out there. We all travel the same roads and we are all human. Yes, we speed and change lanes without signalling and various other things. After a hard day/nights work, all most of us want to do is just go home and relax. The last thing we need after dealing with idiots all day is to deal with a fellow cop who feels the need to talk down to us or lecture us. There are plenty of people out there that you can give a summons to, don't act like stopping a cop cost you a precious few minutes of your day. I'm sure some civilians will read this and say "why should the cops get away with committing traffic offenses." For the same reason that store employees get discounts and car dealers take home a new car every week. It is a job perk. It is by no means a get out of jail free card but minor traffic offenses can be overlooked. I just want the highway guys to keep up the good work. There will always be a few idiots just don't become one.
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[FDNY HATER]

It's about time these guys get held accountable for doing something wrong. Welcome to the lfe of the NYPD!

[NYC PO]

Hey, thats a whole other story with my Fiance', and suffolk highway, speeding on LIE he made her sit for 5-10 minutes (also which she did and admits to but is totally pro cop, her whole family is on the job, or retired) she made a mistake, late for work. That is my point. I would never condone violence on a cop. EVER!! But, some cops (again, all agencies) are not too stable and I can definatley see a guy in the car with his wife, girlfriend, Fiance' when she gets talked to like s--t because she was speeding, and the highway cop KNOWS the guy in the passenger seat is OTJ and still feels the need to teach a lesson. You know what? SAVE IT! We all know when we did wrong, and if you deny it (asking what you did or being a d--k to the guy who stopped you) then you deserve to be treated like a perp. But if you appoligize and don't get stopped by the same guy every other day, you deserve a break. So , save the lecture, WE already KNOW what we did was wrong, just remember, we are looking to the right every time you are on a traffic stop watching YOUR back, so please, watch OURS and our families, cause who wants to hear it from their wife, girlfriend Fiance' anyway? LOL!

[NYC PO]

Just an add on. I have had 1 or 2 problems with FDNY over the years. BUT I also remember when i was a rookie. They invited me into their house in the heat for a water and to relax in the A/C. There are d--ks on every job, including FD. And I am not too happy with what they get away with (evey city PO knows what) but don't deny them courtesy, they put up with a lot too. And most were former city P.O.s and would save you just as quick as I would. But again, I would not expect to put up with a D--k no matter what job. You have to give respect to get it! I think they know it and the "covert" highway guy Tom needs to really relax.

[cant we get along]

just remember the difference between all these jobsis only who took what test, on what list, the person you fudge with today could be your coworker/ senior/fto tomorrow. dont piss on your brothers, even the ugly redheaded stepbrothers

[FDNY HATER]

I hate them too. Wouldn't write one though, unless they acted like a complete di@k!

[onthejob]

Having been on the job for 25 in a land to the west, I can say thet the majority of us on the road do the right thing. I have been stopped by almost everyone on the road and it is all about attitude. Remember no matter who you are the guy working is the boss, period. Make him/her feel important and treat them with respect at all times. In most cases they will return the respect. If you act like a dumb ass, as many of us do, expect to be treated as such.
Only 1x did I ever get jacked up. Going through Va. on PD bussiness. 5am Got written by a trooper (young) didn't want to know anything except to write the New Yorker a tag. He wouldn't budge, he had gotten a call from the President of the National State Troopers organization, in Maryland. No dice. I forked over $1000 in lieu of a 30 day jail stay.
Thanks to the friends I have made in NJ & other NY agencies they have racked up a little over 30 speeders to Va. State Police. All 30 have been given the Va. Troopers name a a quick reference to this story. Funny thing most of the Va. troopers know this story and don't even argue.

This is not the local Va. cops but the State Police. If you know of any local Va. cops ask them about the Blue & Grays.

My advice is still the guy working is the boss. Peer pressure works most of the time. I would stop to help any cop in trouble.

[birdman41]

you all should stop with the city cops ,city fireman crap i work in suffolk as a cop and most of the city cops and fireman would stop in a heart beat to help us god forbid we needed it, being most of them live on long island consider it backup your own county could care less if you had...

[SCPDRET]

On 4 seperate occassions I've had the balance of power swung back in my favor during car stops gone bad. 3 times by off duty city cops and once by an off duty Suffolk PO. At the time my balls were plucked from the fires of hell when my backup was a long way off, I didn't care what patch or employer these guys worked for. Law Enforcement is a team participation sport. Get used to it or go be a professional clammer on your own. Take care of each other, because sometimes it really is us against them. As for the city MOS who got banged by the VA Trooper. They pay them crap even by VA standards and as a result they get nut jobs who can't get hired by the better paying agencies in VA. As one of the recent Colonels of the VA SP put it. We don't have to treat or pay our people well, 21 year olds are made every day. Lastly, the accountant, lawyer, doctor or school teacher won't focus on the cop on the side of the road to see if he's in trouble, it's the off duty Cop, CO, City Firefighter. Learn to take care of the only people who really give a rats ass about us. The other badge wearers and their family members. Lastly, if you are on the wheel and work the big road, either learn to accept id, badges and pba cards as the price you pay for not having to answer alarms and domestics. There endeth the sermon.

[OLD MAN RIVER]

SCPD RET hits the nail right on the head. There has been a few times in my career when an off-duty tin
has helped me out. When I was on the job I could
care less if you were a Court Officer, Deputy Sheriff,
Port Authority cop.It did not matter. If you strapped on a gunbelt and pinned a shield to your shirt you got a courtesy. If everybody worked together instead of
measuring "johnsons" we would not be in the mess we
are in today with these Al Qaeda bastards.

[greg]

Any NYPD, NCPD or SCPD want to let me know if you guys would give a Federal Agent a ticket? Are we considered on the job?

[scpd patrol]

I've extended courtesy to ATF and FBI.
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[louie]

I give courtesy to any law enforcement, FDNY, paramedic, or anyone with a signed PBA card. Thats where i draw the line.
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[greg]

I just want to list the Federal Agencies that are considered Special Agents or bet yet "1811" criminal investigators:
ATF
Any military CID
Customs Special Agents
DEA
FBI
US Marshals
US Postal Inspectors
US Secret Service
And any Departmental OIG

As long as were being respectful, hopefully you'll let us go too! We know you guys are out there everyday with bulls-eyes on your backs and most of you under paid. We the Federal Law Enforcement Community know and respect your hard work.

[Proud PD]

Hi NYPD here just wanted to thank you guys I have been pulled over a few times by you guys and you were always ace's keep up the good work, fight the good fight and stay safe brothers.

[1008]

Quote:Any NYPD, NCPD or SCPD want to let me know if you guys would give a Federal Agent a ticket? Are we considered on the job?

Having worked in the NYPD in Manhattan (where all the feds are) I've had the opportunity to stop many a fed (DEA/FBI/SS/INS/CUSTOMS/FAMs). I've written ZERO feds. A simple, can I see your ID, please? Thank you have a nice day... A cop is a cop...

A little note... feds are not susposed to ask for a courtesy, it's considered corruption. Any rookie fed is going to be a little gun shy to even mention who he is, especially off-duty.

I've also stopped feds on the street who were off-duty and displaying an inappropriate buldge (in the gun area, that is). They were very surprised to see that a "local" could spot their guns. They thought that they had hidden them well. Must say that every encounter was professional.

The beauty of working in NYC is that you can let a lot of people go (not just LEOs). There's always a mutt around the next corner waiting to get 5 movers...

Stay safe,

& remember, we're all on the same team...

[irishman1975]

On to many car stops I have been given the attitude along with "I'm on the job" FDNY. Fire Fighters are not cops. I have allot of friends that are on the NYPD and PAPD and say that the Fire Dept has gotten very big headed and feel that they are above us. Im not saying go out and bang them, but if I have a stop and I sense any attitude and the "I'm on the job "FDNY" " comes out, they are getting one.

[FDNYVET]

How is "I"m on the job" an attitude? I personally don't use "I'm on the job" if I get pulled over. Because I am not on your job. In my 22 yrs on my job, I have gotten pulled over once for speeding. After apologizing to the Officer, I mentioned that I was on my way home from work. Never mentioned your job or mine. He did ask what I do and noticed my placard on dashboard. He asked to see my FDNY I.D. and then told me to have a good evening, no questions asked, no lecture, no attitude. I thanked him and that was that. He was SCPD Hwy.
Never once did I feel big headed or above him or his co workers. I treat people the way I like to be treated, and that is with respect. I also never expect anything from anyone. If I would have gotten a summons, it would have been my own fault. It's unfortunate that some like to paint all FDNY with broad stroke. Totally unfair and biased.
Some cops "sense" an attitude from FDNY just because they are FDNY.
So don't get your Irish up, Irishman1975 if you pull me over.
I am just an average Joe trying to make a living and hoping that I make it through each tour and to get home alive. And if you live on LI and your house catches fire I will also as a volunteer put it out, with or without an attitude. Even if I got a speeder on the way home.

[preglock]

let me go one better.in patrol, there are a handful of people you will run into each month, that deserve to get hammered, not the working stiff with the month expired reg or inspec., not the dope with the insurance lapse 512,and certainly not any leos, or fd.
hit the people with blatant disregard for safety and the law, someone runs a red light pull him over run him see how many suspensions, violations he has, then make your choice. someone deserves to get hammered do so. if you write everything that moves it better be for a reason, whether you are a specialized unit that only does enforcement and has a high number, or you are trying to go to 1.period.
i know most people arent fond of those units, but i respect people who have goals and are trying to reach them, as long as you can handle your calls, back me up and we all go home at the end of the tour, unless we get o/t
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[irishman1975]

You have taken what I wrote out of context. I said dont go out looking to bang them(FDNY), but if I pull one over and they start with an attitude and ID themselves as FF, then they probably will get one. I used to have a good deal of respect for the FDNY' but now with everything that has happen since 9/11 EX..the brawl at the site; and other things that I've seen and heard from friends that deal with them every day its hard not to notice. 10 years ago that brawl whould of never happened. But some FF have lost the respect towards cops. There heads were made so big over there tragic lost on 9/11 that they simply forgot who they are. Now I know there are ALLOT of good guys in the FD, but for me I cant help but notice what has been done and as you guys(FF'S) feel that your a family I feel that the whole police community is a family and we need to stick together. Maybe your one of the good guys? But It is going to take some time and cooler heads to heal the friction that the FDNY has created towards the Police. There are jerks on every job it just seams that the FD has allot more as of late. One other thing.....I will never write a volly only because they are doing a job that I'm to lazzy to do.

[wtp285]

In my time working for NYPD (both pre and post 9/11) I have had the occasion to be stopped by and to stop a number of local and federal members of service. Except for one SCPD Highway PO ( Older guy, white hair, in the area of exit 55) everyone has been nothing but courteous. In manhattan FDNY guys are notorious for getting stopped as DWI, and in the couple of times I have been the one doing the stopping it was handled to the benifit of the FDNY MOS. The only time I have ever gotten irritated was when I was working a DWI checkpoint in manhattan as a rookie and we had a car full of SCPD guys come into the checkpoint line banged-up off thier asses. I had a real jack ass LT. who believed no one deserved courtesy and I had to really try hard to get these guys out of the checkpoint and on their way. Risking my job (on probation still) but it worked, had them switch drivers and they were off. Anyway two days later I had to come into manhattan for court on a day tour (was doing mids at the time) and parked at ronkonkoma train station, ran late, it was pouring and I couldnt find parking so I put my parking placqe in the window and parked out of the way of traffic but not in a marked stall. When I got back to my car I found a summons from a 4th Pct SCPD PO. Was a bite in the ass after what I had done that week, but hell, i parked wrong so I paid it. All in all every time I have ever been stopped by a SCPD or NCPD they were fine, and most asked where I worked because they usually were NYPD before. Just do the right thing guys, sometimes you take it in the keester but all in all anyone who goes to work every day and has to understand that they may not come home deserves the respect.

[FDNYVET]

With all due respect, but i don't feel that I took your post out of context. Granted things have not been the same in say the past ten years or so. And I feel that is truly a shame. It used to be, and I would still like to think that we are basically on the same team. Not the same job(apples and oranges) but basically there to help people. Both professions are honorable ones. And both have their inherent risks. True as of late some, and I emphasize some, guy's on my job have been totally out of line in many different instances. This has had a negative effect on the FD PD working relationship. Hopefully with time this will change. But on the other side of the coin. There are some NYPD who make it a point to emphasize these negative instances on my job, thus creating a further divide on both sides.
9-11 did not do anything for me except piss me off after losing several good friends, one of them being NYPD ESU.
You too sound like a decent level headed guy. If level heads prevailed in the first place. I am sure a lot of this B.S. never would have happened.
As my job gets more and more younger, I have noticed a bit more arrogance. I as a senior man try to advise that this type of attitude will get you nowhere. I hope my advice will be utilized.
Stay safe!
Edited by: FDNYVET at: 11/28/04 9:30 pm

[johnMOS]

30 something FDNY DWI's this year alone. Maybe next time they have a protest they'll think twice about fu@@ing with the police who is just doing his job The firemen will lose when push comes to shove so let's all just get along.

[AJP]

This board is great! Very entertaining! I just would like some input on something I had happen last week - i'll keep it short. I work in a city in westchester and I happened upon a "road rage" dispute between two couples. One guy broke away and IDed himself as NYPD and began givin me the skinny. I split them apart and everyone was heading back to their cars, except the NYPD MOS' wife. She was flipping. Cursing and screaming, and i do mean screaming in front of a diner entrance way l loaded with people.

She told me to go @#%$ myself more than once, and that "I don't care about your PO-lice. Your PO-lice don't mean nothin to me, get the F*ck away from me!!!" The husban/boyfriend MOS was trying to calm her down, but she was an animal. I went to collar her for discon (woulda be the MOST deserving discon collar i ever made.....) but i stopped and just stood there, like a moron, waiting for her to go, which she did eventually.

I'm sill not sure if did the right thing letter her go. I straight up said to her, between tyraids, "Your husband is the only reason you're not in handcuffs right now" and she responded by saying "Oh like you're really doing me a fuckin favor!".

Wouldaya all think?? pls tell me i did the right thing by cutting the b*tch a break because of her man. And yea, i'm a relatively new cop - 3.5 years - so i still take @#%$ personally sometimes.

[irishman1975]

If you would of collered her then the husband/boyfriend might of spinned it around and made you look like the bad guy. When it comes to cops and ther families I always try to let them work it out. Falling short of a smoking gun or a bloody knife, its best to let them resolve the issue. We are there as only peacekeepers as far as I'm concerned.

[RK765]

I remember when i worked in hwy 3 many years ago ( since retired) I cant remember how many times a fdny, scpd, ncpd, etc was stopped for flying low....and ya know what? I never wrote them! Even if they were ...holes. Also i never wrote nurses...you never know when your going to be looking up at them from a gurney. Take it from somebody who joined the force when we had only one revolving dome light and a mechanical siren under the hood ....treat everybody like you would want your mother treated...I realize Iam a dinosaur..and I know how some of the guys at 3 are.....please dont think we were all bad....stay safe brothers

[ordinary Joe]

If you are an LEO you can get away with breaking the law because your "brothers" won't pull you over. Does this apply to drunk driving, too?

[crime spree]

yes and shooting people and some stabbings too... if it isnt too bloody, as long as you have a 2004 pba card and its signed

[whine gallery]

you're way too hard, anyone with any pba card, or pal sticker can commit any crime and i dont see anything,lol

[on patrol]

if ya tell me you know a cop, i'll help you committ a crime, now top that.
its a joke folks, relax

[po]

If your neighbor's brothers cousins husband ever even said hello to a cop, I will whack someone for you for free!

[MrLindenhurst]

If your fathers uncles friends cousin was a cop in japan in 1920 Ill temporarily loose my eyesight.


Stay Safe all

[shamrock]

why was the command center in the base of two towers filled with burning jet fuel with catastrophic int/ext damage??
why were there denim jeans pulled from a crushed fire truck s/e corner near temp morgue ?????
why did the fdny think that the trade center was theirs when the land it sat on is ownwed and operated by the port authority???
why do fd guys put their placards in the window while driving instead of on their visor like the rest of us do??? all the while while speeding,dwi,511,or many other violations while drawing attention to themselves.
why is fire down over 85 % in nyc over the past 20 years and u guys act like the bronx is still burning???
why do rubber heads follow their lt around on jobs like little ducks????
who ever said any fireman was in charge of any scene where public safety is a concern as well as any form of public safety ??? that includes vollies !!!!
WHY WERE THE ATMS IN THE CITIBANK IN 5 WORLD TRADE DISCOVERED HALOGENED OPEN ON DAY TWO, SEPT 12,2001.????? IF YOU CAN CONVINCE ME THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS SECRETED IN THERE WHO NEEDED TO BE EXTRICATED THAN I WILL CHANGE MY VIEW THAT MANY OF YOU ARE THIEVES !!!

[mike2323]

I can tell you that I was NYPD and at the towers on 9-11. The things I saw firemen doing I'd rather not repeat but your right on key. Not to say they are all crooks but in my 8 years NYPD I never saw anyone cop steal something. I've seen firemen 3 times but under each circumstance was unable to do anything. Sorry guys but it's true.

[FDNYVET]

shamrock,
Why are people allowed to post false allegations?
Why do people believe everything they hear?
Why don't people research certain claims before actually making certain claims that make them look stupid?
Why are some people so narrow minded?
Why are opinions like a**holes? Cause every one has one, and most of them stink.
Even your lies and rumors are incorrect.
If your gonna spew rumors and lies, at least get the correct rendition.
Firefighters, even vollies are not a form of public safety?
who puts out your fires?
You wanna hate Firefighters, thats fine with me. But why don't you stick to something you know. Or try taking a class in common sense.
Show me proof of any of the allegations or claims you made, and then maybe my attitude will change.
JO

[FDNYVET]

Mike2323,
Great post? 8 year wonder.
You are as narrow minded as shamrock. 3 times you couldn't do anything? Your a cop aren't you? Why didn't you arrest them? I am a Firefighter 22 yr and never have I witnessed anyone steal anything.
I have heard stories about cops stealing drug money etc. But I would never write about it here or any where else. Because the stories are unsubstantiated. I don't spread rumors, or write about what a friend of a friend told me.
I was there on 9-11 as well, looking for the dozen close friends that I lost that day. One of them an NYPD ESU cop. I did not see anybody steal anything. I did see brave men and women from the FDNY and NYPD doing everything physically possible to help people in need and to help their own. Also searching for their lost members. I am not a hero as the result of 9-11.
And I am not a thief nor a liar as many of you FDNY bashers state, that we are.
I am sure that we have bad apples on our job, just as you do on yours.
Get Real.
Edited by: FDNYVET at: 12/14/04 5:28 pm

[retnypd]

This is the most unprofessional post I've seen - you make us all look like a-holes. Get a grip and think before you post!!

[shamrock]

lets start with bulova on the sub level off of of vesey street, as I WATCHED WITH MY OWN EYES, fd cutting the gate with a dm-50 or whatever version you used to search for survivors in a closed locked retail watch store??? and as far as doing something , the team i was with was, we were attempting to locate an entrance to the lower subway lines for possible trapped victims. people that were severlely wounded were all removed by this time and we didnt feel that babysitting these fireman would serve any useful purpose especially if theirs was to recover valuable property. lets get back to the atm machines???? that too with my own eyes, i wonder if that happened during the collapse to those several machines causing the same exact forced marks. i will add the machines were not opened but it was attempted, even worse !!! now, let me guess mr fdny, your 3/4 with breathing problems like the rest of you guys who did a 28 day rotation down there and went back to your firehouse and watched from afar. what do the operating engineers get for their efforts??? 15-18 hours daily moving steel with such precisionas to try and not compromise any remains in which they found. not stepping over any parts because it wasnt attached to bunker gear!!!! many of us lost dear friends that day, sworn and civilian alike, that does not preclude us from doing the right thing like leaving the token machine intact that was recovered next to the slurry wall. that too w/ my own eyes, 3-4 guys trying to force it open with shovels, laughable. how about your HERO "the last man down". what a job he did huh !!! wow, unscathed and able to move on a right a book a year later and all for the $$$$$. good principal he had huh. to my knowledge the person taken out of that rubble was a man named john mcgloughlin, a port authority p.o who was trapped along side a fellow p.o for ovwer 18 hours after the 2nd tower fell, and broke nearly every bone in his body. funny, i havent read his book yet??? i wonder why?????

[shamrock]

and as far as fire goes, thanks to building codes, fires are almost immediately stamped out due to sprinklers and mandated building supplies,thankfully not allowing fd to come in a break every thing in sight.

[ENYTruckie]

I have read quite a few anti FDNY posts and want to say a few things on this matter.

With 23 years of working as a FF in East New York Brooklyn I have not had one bad encounter with members of the NYPD. Whether a rookie was standing on a post in the dead of winter freezing his/her butt off or in the middle of summer sweating profusely they have always been offered refuge in my firehouse.

On many occassions my company has stopped and assisted members of your job who were waiting for back up during a hostile situation and have worked hand in hand at pin jobs with ESU-7, never a problem. We were all there working as a team to the benefit of the public.

I was present at the "Protest at Ground Zero" and said to the guys from my house on arrival that we were being set up by the Mayor and that was exactly what happened. You could hear high ranking PD bosses screaming orders at the top of their lungs, I could not believe how they treated their members.

The PBA was supposed to be there with us but apparently received a heads up that it was not the place to be, as Emperor Guiliani had this grand idea to take away the positive press the FDNY was getting daily. I'm sure NYPD members remember how disturbed the Emperor was when PC Bratton was receiving more positive press than he, nobody should be more popular than he!

We simply went to Ground Zero to stop the Mayor from using machinery to remove the remains of our fallen and your fallen brothers with the dignity and respect they deserved. Maybe cooler heads did not prevail that day on both sides as we were all dealing with a disaster like no other this city or nation had seen and many of our lives have been changed forever.

As for Tom from the SCPD.....many years ago there was a television show on the UHF channel 31 called "On the Job", it was a training show for members of the FDNY..........so maybe that's where the term was born on our job.

If you feel you need to give me a summons, then do so but if a week later I happen to pass you by and some perp is rolling on the ground getting the better of you I will stop and do what is right..........help you if possible.

[firemen get a pass]

about 4-5 months before the towers fell, my wife and myself brought my son (3)into nyc to see blue clues on broadway. being a scpd he is used to seeing cops and getting hi-fives and hellos from all the boys. in nyc the guys didnt even say hi, even with him waving and saying hi, he even recognized a sgt and said ''hi sarge'', which the boss just barely acknowledged.
on the way back to the garage, we passed a firehouse, my boy freaked because the guys were cleaning the rigs, when one of the fd saw him, he came over and asked if he could let him on the truck. my son spent about 15 minutes touching everything on that truck, wearing the helmet and remembers it to this day.
i dont know what happened to that guy or his house, but i remember what a gentleman he was, as opposed to the nypd guys,i never mentioned i was on the job, and no one could tell who i was.maybe city pd guys were having a bad day or something, too busy to say hi to a kid.
but to this day my son wants to be a freaking fireman!!!!
im working on this, but i cant blame him.
there is corruption everywhere, on any job, we are all just people working and trying to get by,get home in one piece, forget the whos d*ck is bigger crap, it isnt worth it

[Bill34211]

I have friends that are iron workers down at ground zero. One was the best man at my wedding. I too have been told that the firemen were all (or should I say a lot of them) were drinking beers, steeling and acting like as@holes to the iron workers. I didn't see this with mine own eyes but they had absolutely no reason to make this up. Shamrock I think your right on target.

[Bill34211]

Steel was a typo I'm well aware it's steal.

[FDNYVET]

Shamrock,
Do you expect me or anyone else to believe that in the midst of the greatest tragedy this nation has encountered, that Firefighters were busy breaking into a watch store, while 343 of their Brothers were buried under 220 stories of building. You make it sound like gangs of firefighters were rampaging through the streets looting, and pillaging. You saw it with your own eyes you say, and did nothing though. The old atm machine rumor dates back to the first Trade Center attack in 93. But you witnessed the same "force marks' so you got a field promotion to detective and surmised that the bands of roving firefighters must have had a hand in this.
Weren't the cops there to prevent lawlessness. But again you did nothing to maintain the law. Too busy looking for people that had been rescued or removed already, probably by the banding roves of derelict firefighters.
I am still an active firefighter not a 3/4 guy with a lung problem. You sound a bit bitter that you don't have 3/4 with a lung problem. I wish that on no one. And I know many. The doctors and the lung tests don't lie.
I was also at ground zero for more than 6 months on and off doing my part.
I have no idea what the operating engineers get for their involvement. They truly did a great job. But so did so many others.
They only hero I have is my Dad, not some schmo who wrote a book. I could care less who was the last man out. As long as he got out.
Plus your knowledge of building codes and sprinkler mandates are truly moronic. Thats why we have lost over 750 guys in the last 100 yrs, cause the sprinklers put the fires out.
I hope that you never have to thank a firefighter God forbid if ever you ever needed one. But then again maybe your sprinkler will stamp it out.
Like is said before you shouldn't comment on things you don't know about.
I have the utmost respect for cops having many family and friends on the job. To bad some of you guys don't feel the same way for firefighters. We all have some jerks on the job, but it does not give you or anyone else the right to bad mouth me. You don't even know me.
Be safe !

[shamrock]

1) i will say again, the ATM's were no rumor pal. its not hard to recognize the indentations that only a halogen leaves behind after it is used as a lever and then when that fails, the spike is driven in with the sledge to gain a pinchpoint. i may not know codes as you have astutely pointed out,(and i concur) but i am familiar with the issue at hand. and if you may know, i was field promoted long before the events of a few tainted the many good fellas that do your job in a professional manner. now lets get back to the determination of your fellow brothers, i saw first hand their determination on the french video you guys helped to make, the probie gets seperated and becomes unaccounted for for what.....8 hours. and the rest of his company returns to brooklyn and makes a steak dinner!!!!! all the while a probie remains with the others to do something,...anything,.....hmmmmm. should have edited that part huh. now i know thats not you or your fireman friends, and yes there are plenty of cops who did the same,but how do you think the public took to that. i know i was appalled,as probably were you. as far as the 3/4 ,...your correct in that i would much rather have my health than 3/4 of what i make. but i am sick and tired of hearing stories of how i did this and i did that, and poor me, i have decreased lung capacity. once again what about everyone else, do you these guy think that we give a crap about your lungs when our family member is dead!!!! and if these guys that have collected from the 9/11 fund as an active cop or firefighter for some horsesh*t injury than they deserve to be tar and feathered. and you should know that cops and fireman alike have collected. that is for victims families and should be for none else. i will get off that soapbox for now, and you did take the high road for the most part on your message and have managed to soften me a bit , and regardless of how i feel about a few of you i still have not come to the point, nor prob will ever, used my authority to demean any of you by using law enforcement as a tool to avenge a personal dislike for some of you. i know that there are jerks everywhere, but your jerks seem to find me at little league games, the beach, and even at a wedding i attended. i cant turn a deaf ear sometimes because of something called principal, i prefer to let action speak for me, not by telling someone elses story or by drawing attention to my self with a placard on my dash board or my work sweater when im at the gym or shopping with my wife or even on the lirr so i can try to get my family to ride free. i know you would help a cop if he were on the road rolling around with someone, so would tha general public. oh and by the way, another thing i dont know much about but a good friend that is on your job does says, that the fdny refuses to conform to some national safety standard that other major metropolitan depts use. now i am not versed in this but it does make sense, fdny stubborn,,....nah....and to add, i know you agree with the zero tolerance policy, because we cant have guys out there driving 15-20 ton trucks bombed up or high on a controlled substance, just imagine the liability. i know you get the sarcasm, but as an earlier message read, it is unprofessional to air dirty laundry like this to the public, but this is nothing new. so i will discontinue this pandsring and only add to helpful chatter. and fdny vet, ......you too be safe. because like you i have many friends on your job also.

[irishman1975]

Shamrock well said. But I too have been softened up by the words of the FDNYVET. He sounds like one of the good guys. I only wish that one day the police and Firemen can go back to when it was like the old days and just get along. No more walls of silence at jobs. I remeber when I went to a job and FD was there with us we used to bullsh*t the whole time. Now for the most part we just stare at it each other, trying to see who will handle the job. Maybe one day we can get along. Its bad enough we have to fight with the public, buts its worse when we have to fight with another public employee.

[FDNYVET]

Thank you for recognizing the fact that I am an individual on the FDNY and not grouping me into the group of jerks who have demeaned and and tarnished the image of the FDNY.
Again I am trying to defend certain aspects of my job, just as you would your job. And you are certainly entitled to have a personal dislike for certain individuals on my job. I too have the same dislike for some. It's an unfortunate part of life, having a percentage of non conformists amongst the ranks.
Zero tolerance, to me, is the best thing that could have happened to my job. And I say it was long overdue. Not because there was an epidemic of drug and alcohol use. But because it's the right thing for the public, and more importantly the safety of the men. I look forward to going home to my family after a tour.

Irishman,
I too wish we could go back to the days of a more relaxed atmosphere when Cops and FF's work together.
I myself try to convey that atmosphere to the PD whenever we get a mutual job.

If you shamrock, or irishman ever need a place in Brooklyn to get a hot cup of coffee or a nice meal. Stop by my firehouse any time.
Again to both of you, be safe, stay well and enjoy the holidays

[MOS]

I think I'm gonna cry!

[popapd4657]

not really

bump

[imabuff]

anybody have any information about the suffolk correction academy and investigation?

[overpaid cab driver]

how dare the poster in the first page that started this thread insult corrections,or fdny. Just because you are overpaid, doesn't make your job any harder. walk into a wall of fire for bare minimum pay or have some skell throw feces on you just to make ends meet. I would love to make top dollar and drive the pike like superman. I already hear the dickheads saying, take the test. Too bad, that when I took the tests, all the little screws had the "hooks". You know the ones, that ask for a certain detail or beat or placement, and daddy makes the call

anybody have any information about the suffolk correction academy and investigation?

Next class in Jan. 2007.

how dare the poster in the first page that started this thread insult corrections,or fdny. Just because you are overpaid, doesn't make your job any harder. walk into a wall of fire for bare minimum pay or have some skell throw feces on you just to make ends meet. I would love to make top dollar and drive the pike like superman. I already hear the dickheads saying, take the test. Too bad, that when I took the tests, all the little screws had the "hooks". You know the ones, that ask for a certain detail or beat or placement, and daddy makes the call
thread is what 4 years old and you are replying now???

maybe he was busy trolling other boards. :P :P :P :P

Just had to vent. I hate when I pull over City corrections and the say "I'm on the job" no you "have a job" so good for you. Also when city firemen immediately show their ID like the are "on the job". I probably wouldn't write either one but show your license and insurance card and mention where you work after you hand it to me. Also if I'm diving on the LIE at 70mph, do not pass me. It's bad enough other cops do it, but I would never write them. But corrections or FDNY? If PUSHED I would write them and maybe enjoy it.

Another douche highway ass hole. I'll put it to you this way, no-one "wants" to go to highway. That should clear this up for you guys.

[grow up junior]

Just had to vent. I hate when I pull over City corrections and the say "I'm on the job" no you "have a job" so good for you. Also when city firemen immediately show their ID like the are "on the job". I probably wouldn't write either one but show your license and insurance card and mention where you work after you hand it to me. Also if I'm diving on the LIE at 70mph, do not pass me. It's bad enough other cops do it, but I would never write them. But corrections or FDNY? If PUSHED I would write them and maybe enjoy it.

Another douche highway zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'll put it to you this way, no-one "wants" to go to highway. That should clear this up for you guys.
tnx read the postWed Aug 11, 2004
and you are replying now?????????
and trolling highway cops???
this sums you up toohi I'm your troll today, I'm trying to pi$$ you off so you try to justify your salary. Then I'll make fun of one of your associate agencies so you fight about your jobs.
If no one falls for it I'll make another post pretending to be some kinda cop putting down one of the other jobs. This is one of the hilites of my existence. So please feed me
do not feed the trolls indeed

[guest2235]

let me clear something up. the term "Im on the job", doesnt go for police officers alone, "im on the job" means, anyone from an Emergency Organization such as Law Enforcement (Corrections, Police, Courts, Park Rangers etc.) or Fire or EMS, that goes through the same stuff as their counterpart from the same or another agency. People think CO's are guards, WRONG, sure they work in the jails BUT they do perimeter patrols, have ESU, Gand Intel units that work with NYPD, NCPD, SCPD, SCSD, NCSD etc., and collar up. FDNY deals with mutts on the street, when they pull a box for no emergency just to see the FF's respond.(and remember the two FF's that just died in the bronx fire yesterday). so remember "im on the job" goes for anyone that does related work as to what you do.

[SCPDPO]

when I went through the scpd academy, there was a Highway Cop who locked up a priest...yes a priest, i dont know if you guys know this guy or not but he was a real arsehole, and also the CO of Hate Crimes Unit, does not give courtesy ( when he was in uniform) and still talks down to every cop. so every job has its knuckleheads. remember that

[You are wrong !]

NO, Let me clear something up: The term "on the job" is a direct reference to New York City Police Officers and "the job", not any job but THE JOB. It broadened in the late seventies and some other Police agencies took on the same saying as a way to identify that you were a cop. It is wrongly used by Probation, Parole, EMT's, Code Enforcement, Firefighters, Jail Guards, and others. But it was always understood that it meant you were NYPD. I'm retired a few years but I lived in that time when "only" NYPD Officers said this.


When the Jail Guard above said; People think CO's are guards, WRONG, sure they work in the jails BUT they do perimeter patrols, have ESU, Gang Intel units that work with NYPD, NCPD, SCPD, SCSD, NCSD etc., and collar up.

When I was "on the job", the city Corrections Officers were actually called "JAIL GUARDS", not because that was all they did, but because it accounted for 99 % of what they did and do even today. So you can agrandise your position all you want, but your main job and your main purpose is to keep guard over prisoners and prevent thier escape from custody. In itself a noble profession, but when you try to make more of what you are, or claim to be more than what you are you simply belittle your profession and your staus even more. Accept what you are, accept what you do, and know that you have my respect for your career choice. Be safe.

[guest2235]

In the 70's they were keepers, they didnt have peace officer status, Im not a CO, Ive been on the city job for 6 years, and after I was wrestling with a mutt on 47th avenue in queens, trying to keep him and his asshole brother from getting my gun (both were 6'2/6'3, and about 250 lbs.) and my radio busted from being slammed on the ground ( keep in mind I was working the SP-10 car, so I was by myself) then an off duty CO came and helped me. Thats when I changed my views on these guys.

I dont want to argue with another cop over bullshyt like this, bottom line is, CO's are Law Enforcement and deserve courtesy.
congrats on retirement BTW, glad you got out unharmed.

and NYC Corrections is getting Police Officer status, and is most likely going to merge with the NYPD in the near future. Check out the Bill, I forget the number but go to the state assembly website and do a search.

Spoken like a true JAILGUARD! I'm not sure who or what you really are, but frankly NYC Dept. of Corrections will NEVER get Police Officer status because the NYPD - PBA won't let it happen. As far as a merger - that has been a Jail Guard pipe dream for over thirty years and it to will never see the light of day. Bill or no bill. I also checked the NY State assembly and Government sites and could not find any bill that remotely hints at either of these two ridiculous possibilities. So stop lying your arse off and go back to your job pushing toilet paper through the bars dumbazz.

you are a troll, the NYPD - PBA is about as powerful as the union in the deli at King Kullen, why do you think we get hung out to dry everytime some perp complains? Our union lost its balls a long time ago. the union would welcome the additional members to fund their offices...wink..wink.
You know how many trustees are being investigated/ arrested for crimes involving union funds????
I cant believe I'm saying it, for once iab vs nypd pba, iab is the good guys.

Spoken like a true JAILGUARD! I'm not sure who or what you really are, but frankly NYC Dept. of Corrections will NEVER get Police Officer status because the NYPD - PBA won't let it happen. As far as a merger - that has been a Jail Guard pipe dream for over thirty years and it to will never see the light of day. Bill or no bill. I also checked the NY State assembly and Government sites and could not find any bill that remotely hints at either of these two ridiculous possibilities. So stop lying your arse off and go back to your job pushing toilet paper through the bars dumbazz.

Dude a little research goes a long way. Great attention to detail if you really did search.


http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A06377
BILL NUMBER:A6377

TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the criminal procedure law, in relation
to granting police officer status to members of the uniformed correction
force of the New York city department of correction

PURPOSE: To extend police officer status to members of the uniform
correction force of the New York City Department of Correction.

SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS: Adds paragraph (s) to subdivision thirty-four of
Section 1.20 and amends subdivision twenty-five of Section 2.10 of the
Criminal Procedure Law.

JUSTIFICATION: Uniformed correction officers of the New York City
Department of Correction are trained in their own academy, where they
receive training that is equal to or better than the training received
by many police officers. The police cannot be at all places at all
times. The extension of police officer status to correction officers
would enable the City of New York to more effectively wage its own war
against crime in a most economical manner.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY: S.6009 of 2003-04. Referred to Codes.

FISCAL IMPLICATIONS: None.

EFFECTIVE DATE: Immediately.

[guest2235]

yeah, good job finding the bill detective. NYC PBA has absolutely nothing to do with COBA, and Norman Seabrook has Pataki in his back pocket, cause Pataki owes Seabrook, The city and the COBA is fighting for this.

yeah, good job finding the bill detective. NYC PBA has absolutely nothing to do with COBA, and Norman Seabrook has Pataki in his back pocket, cause Pataki owes Seabrook, The city and the COBA is fighting for this.

Phuck face are you that dense?

I also checked the NY State assembly and Government sites and could not find any bill that remotely hints at either of these two ridiculous possibilities.[/u][/b]

I pulled that from the same webpage YOU said YOU searched, DETECTIVE. Your reading comprehension skills are right on par with the 5th graders of P.S. 13 in Yonkers. Again... you sir are a tool.

yeah not the same person that posted the bill. internet tough guy.

yeah not the same person that posted the bill. internet tough guy.

well when you answer the post under anonymity and takes its position anyone would assume you wrote it.

yeah i am an internet tough guy, wat yu gonna do abowt it! nothin. so do what you do best and keep stroking those keys.

[guest2235]

good one

good one

thanks... i try :wink:

Pataki pacified you meager little pups with a few bills that cant find their way out of committee. Then when they do find their way out to the floor they will suddenly bog down and out of sight for a few sessions, then when "your boy" - the one who has Pataki in his front right pocket b!tches to pataki about the stagnant bill and how it never gets to the floor for action, Pataki will make sure it does - ONLY TO ONCE AGAIN PACIFY YOU SIMPLETONS. Then it will fail a vote miserably and you'll start over again from scratch. Only this time it will be with a brandy new Governor and all your juice with Pataki will be for naught. But hey it's just like Lotto - a dolloar and a dream baby ! So keep on dreamin' boys !

I have a good question - why are we forced to read this stupid Jail Guard sh!t on a Police site? Don't these mutts have their own website or something?

I have a good question - why are we forced to read this stupid Jail Guard sh!t on a Police site? Don't these mutts have their own website or something?
They are getting blown by a Deputy sheriffs wife while they type. That should explain the mix up

I have a good question - why are we forced to read this stupid Jail Guard sh!t on a Police site? Don't these mutts have their own website or something?
They are getting blown by a Deputy sheriffs wife while they type. That should explain the mix up

that makes no sense :roll:

[c.o. senrabad]

Just had to vent. I hate when I pull over City corrections and the say "I'm on the job" no you "have a job" so good for you. Also when city firemen immediately show their ID like the are "on the job". I probably wouldn't write either one but show your license and insurance card and mention where you work after you hand it to me. Also if I'm diving on the LIE at 70mph, do not pass me. It's bad enough other cops do it, but I would never write them. But corrections or FDNY? If PUSHED I would write them and maybe enjoy it. [quote] Tom I have only one word for you --------- jackass !! quote]

[c.o. senrabad]

Just had to vent. I hate when I pull over City corrections and the say "I'm on the job" no you "have a job" so good for you. Also when city firemen immediately show their ID like the are "on the job". I probably wouldn't write either one but show your license and insurance card and mention where you work after you hand it to me. Also if I'm diving on the LIE at 70mph, do not pass me. It's bad enough other cops do it, but I would never write them. But corrections or FDNY? If PUSHED I would write them and maybe enjoy it. [quote] Tom I have only one word for you --------- jackass !! quote]

[c.o. senrabad]

I have a good question - why are we forced to read this stupid Jail Guard sh!t on a Police site? Don't these mutts have their own website or something?
They are getting blown by a Deputy sheriffs wife while they type. That should explain the mix up

that makes no sense :roll: Another jackass like Tom5647 from the scpd. Maybe they r getting blown by a cops wife

[NRC]

With all due respect
Lets face it. Your hooked up, you get to Skate.
If not you get taged.
But remamber those who you play Tag with will remember you and yours and Play Tag with you in there area.
THINK before you Play

[701 squad 1 =Tom5647]

hey you wouldnt be tommy kennedy, the 701 operator in squad 1 who has that exact same # for a badge?....tool

[eagle 327]

You may want to add to the list - nurses, P.A.'s, doc's, Paramedics, EMT's, etc. I work in the ER and ICU and we get all of you guys in there(SCPD/NCPD/NYPD/NYSP/CO'S/FEDERAL/ETC), wether your bringing in a skell or your a patient yourself. We all work odd hours and if your visiting a family member we extend the courtesy even if it visiting hours are over or it's shift change. When I get off work after a 12 hour day, I'm exhausted, and to be pulled over on 5th Av. for "failing to signal at 2am" and be hassled for 20 minutes is BS. Everyone of us deserve the respect because we all need each others back at some point. From the EMT/Paramedics who may save your life if you get wrapped around a tree to the nurses that will be doing everything possible to keep you alive. So next time if you want to pull me over at 2am tell me to please you a directional next time because you may need me to help you in the future and vice versa, will be acceptable and respectable.

You may want to add to the list - nurses, P.A.'s, doc's, Paramedics, EMT's, etc. I work in the ER and ICU and we get all of you guys in there(SCPD/NCPD/NYPD/NYSP/CO'S/FEDERAL/ETC), wether your bringing in a skell or your a patient yourself. We all work odd hours and if your visiting a family member we extend the courtesy even if it visiting hours are over or it's shift change. When I get off work after a 12 hour day, I'm exhausted, and to be pulled over on 5th Av. for "failing to signal at 2am" and be hassled for 20 minutes is BS. Everyone of us deserve the respect because we all need each others back at some point. From the EMT/Paramedics who may save your life if you get wrapped around a tree to the nurses that will be doing everything possible to keep you alive. So next time if you want to pull me over at 2am tell me to please you a directional next time because you may need me to help you in the future and vice versa, will be acceptable and respectable.
hi jeff hows the trolling going?

[blatant trolling]

You may want to add to the list - nurses, P.A.'s, doc's, Paramedics, EMT's, etc. I work in the ER and ICU and we get all of you guys in there(SCPD/NCPD/NYPD/NYSP/CO'S/FEDERAL/ETC), wether your bringing in a skell or your a patient yourself. We all work odd hours and if your visiting a family member we extend the courtesy even if it visiting hours are over or it's shift change. When I get off work after a 12 hour day, I'm exhausted, and to be pulled over on 5th Av. for "failing to signal at 2am" and be hassled for 20 minutes is BS. Everyone of us deserve the respect because we all need each others back at some point. From the EMT/Paramedics who may save your life if you get wrapped around a tree to the nurses that will be doing everything possible to keep you alive. So next time if you want to pull me over at 2am tell me to please you a directional next time because you may need me to help you in the future and vice versa, will be acceptable and respectable.
hi jeff hows the trolling going?
beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!

[courtesy is contagious]

And dont forget me Im the illegal that mows your lawn. You dont have to write me every week for driving without a license. It would be nice if you honored my exp Honuduran license. Without me your shrubs would look like a hairy bush, kinda like jeffs moms
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