Suffolk Sheriff

[theseanspecial]

www.co.suffolk.ny.us/webt...t=1&ID=139
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[Sheriff]

Anyone hear when the results for the suffolk sheriff exam are coming out?

[AFewQs]

There was a post a while back from what appeared to be SC Civil service stating when a class would be going in, but that has been removed like many other threads on this board... :">

Does anyone know predicted class size, class start date, or when the fitness tests are scheduled?

Cheers.

[40smith]

6+ months to grade a test...
What the hell is with the retards who run this board, removing posts?

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[CivilService]

The test has been scored since May. The list could not be established until July when the old list expired. At that time there were greater priorities for other lists to be established first.

Since there is a class in the Academy from the old list and since there will be no class for the remainder of the year, the decision was made to wait until next Friday, 8/20 to establish the list. The advantage to the candidates is that the list will be in effect 7 weeks longer than it would have been.

What may appear to be a long time to score a test is not always what it appears to be. This department is actually very efficient and extremely effective.

The list will be available for viewing after 2pm on 8/20 at the department offices (North County Complex, Bldg 15 . Letters will be in the mail on Monday 8/23 and the list will be on the internet on Wednesday 8/25.

Good luck.

CS

[civil service]

That is Buiding 158 in Hauppauge.
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[40smith]

Here is a question for you, Civil Service...

Why do we pay 100.00 to take a police exam, and only 25 for others?
I mean if I understand it correctly, the County wants to hire people right? Why should they pay 100.00 just to take a test?
My numbers might be off by a k or so, so bear with it...

25,000 people take the civil service test for PO.
25,000 X 100.00 = 2,500,000.00

I would say that is a bit much.

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[civil service]

40 smith;

Good question. You pay $100 for public safety exams and $25 for all others because the money is used to pay for the medicals, the drug tests, the psychological, the psychological appeals panel, the cost of the background investigations and the polygraph. It is also used to pay for the cost of the police exam, ($500,000) and the cost for the 2000 monitors who administer the exam, ($300,000).

For non public safety exams, none of the above are administered and so the fee is less.

The County Personnel Director, Alan Schneider, agrees with you. He doesn't believe that people should pay to take exams at all. He has spoken out at the County Legislature on three occasions against fees for exams. He has stated it is not like paying a fee to play golf at a county course or swim at a county pool or use a county park. There you are getting something for your money. With exams you are paying to take an exam which you are required to take to get a job, But there is of course no guarantee and most people pay the fee and receive nothing. After Schneider makes his comments the Legislature votes 18-0 against him and the fees get raised again because they are always looking for ways to get money.

Hope that answers your question.


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[ChattiPatti]

BEYOND PSYCHO. LOL it would be funny if some of those BULLIES got thrown in a cell with a pervert. HEHEHE

hey I did'nt chose your CAREER.
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[pattiperv]

are things that bad try a loveline or dating service. are there cobwebs growing down there?
patti you cant just walk in a cell, you have to be arrested 1st, why dont u beat some more family members. then u can have your dreamdate

[ChattiPatti]

Your right things are bad in Suffolk as most single women will tell you there are so many degenerate childish men who think Im (we're) supposed to drop our drawers for them. Apparently thats what they're accustomed to.....

I don't know about others but I would prefer someone who didn't have to double wrap themsleves with latex because they've been @ the block too many times with anyone who bats an eyelash at them. In other words I want someone who is as picky as I, not some dog in heat. From what I've heard, most LEO's fit this description.

I've know a few women who have been with LEO's (married & on duty too).....which really makes me extra careful. One woman, who I've known for over 20 yrs has seen more dick than Fruit of the Loom. COMPRENDE'?

Its ok tho because after all I was married ONCE for half my life. But im sure that he's out there, its just a matter of time
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[keep dreaming oldie]

keep looking maybe you havent checked in the right crackhouse yet

[wait a second]

LOL funny. I may be older but hell I can spot a jerk when I see one. I can't promise it comes with age, I was always good at trusting my instincts.

I gotta say the last guy....he thought I was gonna drop to my knees or that he was Gods gift. I saw right thru him. I just love it when things fall into place and see him for who and what he is. Theres alot of ABUSERS in Suffolk. Some are better at hiding it than others. Sooner of later it shows. I thank God it emerges before I do anything stupid

Speaking of God, Im going to talk to him now. He seems to be the only decent one to talk to in the past 5 years when my belief systems failed me.

Enjoy the power trip. Theres nobody more powerful than the Lord. And he will take from you what you love most if you abuse the power. THAT COMES WITH AGE TOO.

P.S. I'm not looking. They seem to find me

[oldie]

yeah pscho abusers find their own

[ChattiPatti]

"with all the interest in our wives" HAHAHA. I pity your wives. If the cheatin doesn't make them want to leave the head games and lies will. Thats all you guys are good at, oh and abusing others.


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[from one]

right, just ask your daughter

[but]

difference never beat a child, girl, innocent person, just lowlives. whats your excuse, daughter was dissing u? didnt show props?
the other difference, its my job.

[ChattiPatti]

Kids do things they end up regretting. Whats your excuse? This too shall pass.

It was the psycho police officer they sent to my home thats far worse than anything I've EVER ENCOUNTERED.

Then to have the Asst COunty Atty coerce the jury to believe his bullshit. Wow you people are not even HUMAN.
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[no]

no regrets, anyone i laid hands on was a perp like u. we are human just cant show it to the animals like u
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[ChattiPatti]

Yea OK tell it your shrink, Im not interested.

Whitey night all....

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[ChattiPatti]

"Whitey night all...."

Nighty night


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[40smith]

Thank you, Civil Service. I understand now, does make sense. I thought this was an informative board until these jerks got on it to screw it up.
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[my apology]

sadly when this edp shows up u must beat her off the board

[ChattiPatti]

Didn't I answer this one already??? Nobodys beat me off the board yet. So shoot me already Whitey

Too bad your always thinkin with your shrinky dink

YOU BLEW IT NOT ME YOUR LOSS HOT SHOT
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[Dep]

is there still a fast track for prior time? heard they did away with that? any reason?
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[Hey civil service]

Although your response as to why the Public Safety Exams cost more seems to make sense I have to wonder if it's the real reason . If it is, how do you explain why promotional exams are $15 for all that are not public safety yet the law enforcement ones are $50. None of the things mentioned about costs are needed for promotional ones as all of that is done on the hiring level.

[40smith]

Good point about the promotional exams.
Thats just plain crazy.

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[MrGump]

not sure about future policy...but the class of dep's thats in now has prior city PD, and they are doing the SCPD Acadamy class in full.

[Dep]

no more fast track, no matter what everyone goes through the academy
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[civil service]

Hey Civil Service:

What I gave you was the real reason for the difference between law enforcement exams and non-law enforcement exams. As to the difference between law enforcement promotionals and other promotionals, very simple; $$$$.

Most promotional exams involve very few eligible candidates. Law enforcement promotionals such as Police Sergeant involve as many as 1500. The legislature saw the opportunity to bring in significant additional revenue and raised the fee to $50 at the same time the entry level exams were raised to $100.



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[40smith]

Abolish the legislature.
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[sheriff exam]

I agree. I scored, I think an 80 on the PO exam, 85 on Park PO exam, and who knows on the Sheriff test.
Went out of State to take exams......
It's free! Don't even make you pay for your fingerprinting!!!
Suffolk County is the land of Tax and $. We are getting screwed here, realize it and do nothing about it.
With the PO, it is unfortunate, but they aren't getting people who really should be cops. The people taking this exam are doing so for the money only. Lets see how many take the test if they only make 50,000.
Not 26k, I tell you that.

[dephopeful]

Does anyone know if we can go to civil service today and find out are grades? What good is it finding out our grades next Wednesday on the civil service web site if it's going to be in the mail on Monday??? Good luck too all, hopefully processing starts sooner than the PD's processing(which hasn't started yet mind you, 9 months after that list was established even)

[civil service]

Grades are available at Civil Service, building 158, north county complex after noon today.
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[40smith]

Ok, Civil Service has 7 months to grade and post the grades, but fail to do so? Unless you go to CS? That is really bad. 7 months!!!! The least you could do is have it posted on the web.
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[FYI]

think of it this way its 100.00 ticket for lotto, except you need something other than luck (no not a hook), some brains. the test is set up to weed out the ones(most of the ones) who shouldnt get the job. didnt do well, u got 2 choices, go for one of those workshops(more cash) or try something else.
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[40smith]

Correction---
The Sheriff test is designed to weed out the wrong people.
The Po test is designed for affirmative action.
Which is complete BS.
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[tests]

like i said weed out MOST of the ones that dont belong.....same thing come promotion time bro

[cantwate]

Does anyone know if the grades will be posted in the civil service room in riverhead(inside the county center building)?Thanks and good luck to all!!!

[40smith]

I called them this morning, they seemed to say (forgive my spelling) Hauppauge will have the results.
Good Luck. Now we wait for 2008 for a class.
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[Chances estimate]

With a score of 88. Any opinions on if I have any realistic shot at ever hearing from the Sheriff's Office or am I too far down to get anything from them? I've heard from several other people that act like they know what their talking about that you really need to know somebody that's already in to land a job with the Sheriff. Is there any truth to this rumor or is it all just made up. I highly doubt that all 250 (or around there) Deputies "knew somebody".

[Help]

Basically, this is how it goes. In Suffolk County, these tests are COMPLETELY governed by civil service. That is, the old who you know, who you blow thing don't work. It is very much merit and score based. As far as your list number, here's the breakdown. Don't quote me on this, but I think that the average hire per year works out to about 30 deps. Now, for every 10 that start the process, 4 will fail the physical, 3 will fail the psych, 1 will fail the medical, and 1 will fail the polygraph. The rough estimate is to put in a class of 30, they NEED to call at least 300, usually more like 350-400 to be safe. If Levy ever gets his way (God forgive me for saying that), deps will be in demand very soon. So if they pull at least 2 classes (maybe), or better, 3 (doubtful), they will have to dip down to around 900 or so. odds are that the first 300 will eventually get called, and maybe 600. 900 not as likely, but with 500, you might be ok. Start working out now (the PT is NOT as easy as you would think), and get your papers together so when you do get the magical letter you will not be one of the 9/10 that don't hack it. Good Luck.
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[About Levy]

Does that mean that Levy does intend on using Deps for highway patrol and other jobs currently done by the SCPD? I heard about that before on here but I didn't read too much into it at the time. Afew guys at work thought Levy was actually more interested in having State Police cover more highway patrol instread because they don't get paid by the county.

[Question]

Is your score 88? Does that mean the list is not banded. Haven't seen it yet so wasn't sure. They have been banded for a while with scores in bands say 85, 90, 95 etc.
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[Help]

Problem is that the troopers don't solve the money problem: For example, in the Suffolk Police District (west of the Riverhead town line), Suffolk Police, for the most part, are the only law enforcement agency for regular policing functions (sheriff's activities notwithstanding and the incorporated vilages that did not join the police district) recognized by legislation and the county charter. However, on the east end, we are all familiar with the town PD's. Here, they are the primary law enforcement agencies. The police tax in these areas go to those departments, not the police district. In these areas, they repay a portion of their police tax to the police district for services rendered by Suffolk Police that are not within their current operating capabilities (ESU, aviation, certain detective units, etc.) The point of this long story is that no one works for free. Should policy be changed to allow New York State Police to operate as the highway patrol for the County of Suffolk, the money currently earmarked for the highway patrol bureau would have to be transferred to the state for their taking on increased tasking, hence more manpower that has to be payed. In the end, the savings, if any, would be minimal, and the administrative side would become far more complicated. The deps are already county employees, so it's moving money from one hand to the other. they also make an average of $10,000 less than PD (overtime not considered), so the savings would be more readily apparent. However, this would be a short term gain, because at their next contract, the deps would now say that they were performing the exact same duties as PD, and most likely win parity in arbitration. Also, to do this would require altering significant legislation, and again, the county charter. The long and the short of it is, that even if Levy wants to do this, it is not directly within his power (it's the legislature's), and the end result would have a questionable impact on the budget. Levy talks a great game when it's what Newsrag and the rest of the liberals wants to hear, but just like when he was a legislator, he will be unable to accomplish 99% of the stuff that he dreams up, because no one else operates in quite the same vacuum that he does, and the powers that be will not support any of his legislative goals.
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[Help]

Put that in you pipe and smoke it Stevie.
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[tomcat]

Got a 96 on the exam and I am currently a city cop, so i am pretty excited. Just a question, i have tried to find out but could not find any info on Deputy salary. what is the starting base pay and the base top pay and when do you hit top pay?

[Dep]

tomcat

nice job on the test. starts at 37,000 and tops out at 59,999(base), but we dont have a contract yet. city guys still have to go thru the whole academy, not too bad though.
good luck, any questions just ask
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[tomcat]

Thanks Dep.Yeah, I would gladly go through the academy if i have to, I just have to get in shape, 4 years in the city have not been too kind to my body! How long until top pay? 5 years? And what are the physical agility requirements?

[berf]

What steps ao you have to go through I know about the physical adjility and psyc, anything else?

[Debbie4u]

is this test banded like the SCPD test, for example can there be 1000 who scored at the 95 mark?
or is the person who scored 95 the ONLY person at that score?
What RANK # on the list will they realistically go to for the first class of this list and when is the next class of this new list?
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[wannabe dep]

anyone know what other municipalities will hire off the deputy sheriff list?? the letter states that other agencies might canvass

[dephopeful]

I read that also. Didn't make too much sense. Town and village PD's get bodies off the regular PD list. Who know's???

[True Blue]

GO TO SUFFOLK COUNTY CIVIL SERVICE WEBSITE THE GRADES ARE POSTED AND THE COMPLETE LIST...EVERYONE WHO HAS THE SAME GRADE HAS THE SAME LIST NUMBER!!!!!
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[Debbie4u]

So when is the next class for sheriffs and how many are they looking for from the new list?
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[tomcat]

Anyone know if the physical requirements are the same as PD or different? If Different, what are they?

[hopeful7]

Scpd , Sheriff,and Corrections all have the same requirements.
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[Debbie4u]

To all those with the top secret inside info and connections
when will they start processing for sheriff? up to what rank, and how many are they looking to hire? next class?


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[21yr on the list]

All of the Deputies I've seen, at least the ones that stop by the County Center for the most part, look to all be at least 35+ years old or older. Being a youngin (21) on the list, is the Sheriff's Office going to give me as good as a shot as the next guy, or would they prefer to try to hire somebody alittle more older. I've seen some young Suffolk Officers, but never really any Deputies that could look around my age, unless they like to assign younger Deputies to other duties in not as public areas.

BTW just out of curiosity, what's the full deal with the take-home cars? Does every Deputy get one, does it go by who's got more years or does it depend on what bureau you work in?

Sorry for all the seemingly meaningless questions, I'm just out to find out as much about Suffolk's Sheriff's Office and it's Deputies as I can.

[tomcat4638]

My best friend is Suffolk PD and went to the civil service building the other day while he was working and while there, asked when they would start hiring from the new test and he was told they really have no idea, they are "waiting for Levy to decide what he is going to do". So I guess it could be anywhere from a couple of months to six or seven months, maybe more. Usually a few years till you get a car but certain assignments get them earlier. Just to let you know, heard rumors that Levy wants to get rid of the take homes because they cost to much in gas and maintenance. He has already done it to a few units in the PD. Don't be suprised if it does happen.

[Debbie4u]

anyone know when there gonna start processing off the new list and what list number they will get down to?
How big of a class?
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[tomcat]

Read the above, still nothing new a week later, Debbie, just get in shape and be ready, it could be soon.

[hopeful56]

Is any more preference given to candidates with prior law enforcement backgrounds or college degrees?
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[Reality Checker]

If you are already on the city job you run the risk of being demeaned and belittled in both your background investigation and while you are in the academy. Since it is a well known fact that the Sh1tty job disregards the NYS law and hires people w/ felony convictions, if you are on the shitty job you are a perp in uniform until proven otherwise. Ask around of a few former city cops who made it out to Suffolk. Of those who don't have hooks in the Suffolk job ask them if they felt they were treated as an equal by their Suffolk investigator or were they treated like sh1t. If you are on the sh1tty job and come to the Suffolk academy you better be in shape because you will get berated w/ individualized harrassment for being former NYPD. Kinda demeaning to have a Suffolk academy instructor who has less time on the job and less overall real world experience tearing you a new azzhole. As for preference given for a degree, none given whatsoever. The requirements are 21 years of age a G.E.D. and a drivers license. Those pitiful standards will stay that way because to raise the bar would make it more difficult to obtain minorities or to be able to hire the political faithful and bosses kids. The correlation between college educated cops and how well they perform on the job has already been examined the NIJ an off shoot of the US Department of Justice. The analysis is that officers w/ Bachelors degrees have less job satisfaction, more civilian complaints and use of force complaints etc. The authors of the study hypothesized that Officers who possessed college degrees became more frustated with their departments and the failings of the criminal justice system than their non college educated co-workers. They politely re-stated the phrase "ignorance is bliss". Just my opinion, let the games and flames begin.

[FYI]

that ended 5 years ago, nothing but respect the past 3-4 classes, of course the candidates are the best of the best now, sgts, dets,esu, iab, all from the city. the classes are actually titled in favor of prior timers as opposed to civilian recruits
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[Debbie4u]

it seems that the last few classes for suffolk tends to lean heavily towards ex nypd, some classes almost had half of the cadets from the city, why is this? kind of makes it hard for the applicant with no prior city experience
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[PParker]

Right now there are only two unfilled vacancies for deputy sheriffs.

[Debbie4u]

UH OH 2 openings lol
are you serious?
so they basically won't need any people for a VERY long time?

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[tomcat]

I think PParker sounds a little bitter for some reason. If they were only going to hire 2 more people, why would they give a whole new test? They wouldn't. They would hire off the old list. And it's not to make money either, they wouldn't be able to justify a whole new test for 2 positions. Levy wants to expand the dept. to cut back on overtime and that's why no one will be waiting too long, maybe a year at the most.

[PParker]

Right now there are two vacancies. Some deps may retire and create more vacancies. They give the test every four years regardless of how many vacancies there are. As far as I know Levy is going with a cost to continue budget, which means no additional positions to be added in 2005 in any department. So right now it is two. Good luck!

[Hey]

what about the ones in right now? they are considered filled spots?
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[PParker]

Before they were hired there were 21 vacancies. Now there are two because two deps retired after the class started.

[Debbie4u]

does anyone know how much is top pay for suffolk county corrections and how long it takes to reach, i believe they start around 36 or so?
also any info on average class size?
thanks
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[hope7]

Debbie4u,

Top salary is 74k and starting salary is 41k. I believe it takes 4.5 yrs to hit top step.There working without a contract since Jan 04. A new class is going in on 9-13-04. 46 canidates. Co job is a very good one. Next test is 12-11-04 and word has it that they will be hiring real quick off that test.

[SCSO]

Top step for a Correction Officer is Step 5, and takes approximately 5 years to reach.

Days $60,891
Rotating Shifts $64,545
Midnights $66,686

Maximum class size at the academy is around 50 recruits. I was told the next class being processed is expected to be this number (50).

[hope7]

There are 46 recruits will start on 9-13-04.They were going to hire 59 people but they were some that turned down the job. They have put in as many as 72 recruits at on time back in 2000. And for the salaries you forgot the 6 1/2 rotating for the two tour , the 9 1/2 for the midnites, holidays, and line up stippend when all is added up top step with no ot is around 74k.

[Debbie4u]

thanks for the quick reply guys
so if you do rotating or midnights you get an additional 6,500 or 9,500 added to that base figure? sounds good.
Whats the average amount of OT these guys do a week, like how many hours or double shifts? i was reading an article once and it seemed like some did alot of OT $$$?
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[hope7]

That's 6 1/2 % or 9 1/2 % added towards your salary. If you work staraight days you get nothing.

I believe they work 7-3 and 3-11 and there is a steady midnite tour. A lot of ot but to get it , they base it on senority. CO's get at least 1 double a check if they want.

[SuffolkJailer]

Your base salary with all the bells and whistles thrown in (holiday, uniform, etc), after you reach top step will be under our expired contract about $70k (rotating, which is what most C/O's do). There is overtime for those who want it, and there hasn't been an extreme staff shortage requiring forced o/t this past year. That could change. We operate under NYS Mandates so o/t is usually available.

A class starts next week, and we have had a class a year since I've been on. It's a good job, not for everyone, but a money job nonetheless. There are plans for a new facility and a DWI facility expected to open sometime next year, so I'm sure staffing concerns will be an issue.

Good luck with whatever you pursue.

[Rob47]

hey debbie,what did you get on the test?i'll let you know if you have a good chance or not.
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[Debbie4u]

thanks for the info
well im looking to take the upcoming corrections test in December.
So do you get to carry a gun off duty? glock?
How many years to retirement? 1/2 pay?
This site gives good insight for people looking for a L.E. job. Thanks

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[SuffolkJailer]

You can carry off duty if you want to, on duty you are issued a firearm/ shotgun where necessary, and you are trained accordingly. We have a 25 yr retirement, and you would have to refer to the NYS retirement system to see what you would fall under. The Deps have a 20 year so you should consider that as well.

[Debbie4u]

Oh i see , good point, it just seems like corrections is a bigger force, which puts in bigger classes but possibly has a higher turnover rate, any input on this?
it seems like they went through this last list in 2 years or so and are giving another test soon and will hire from that one as well.
is this all from retirement? or increasing manpower for the new jail?
thank you fellas
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[SuffolkJailer]

Turnover is not really a problem. It's just that due to State mandated staffing levels there are always shortages due to retirement, guys going out on injury, vacations, comps, we've even had a few get arrested......but that's another topic.

The new jail(s) will definitely have an impact on staffing.

[hopeful56]

How long does the hiring process generally take after you get the initial call?
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[SuffolkJailer]

Do you mean for C/O's? If so, it depends on when the county provides the skins for the dept. to hire from the list of those that have been investigated. It varies.

[jjones6]

That's for sheriff not correction officer.

That's for sheriff not correction officer. :arrow:

That's for sheriff not correction officer.

huh? There's only 1 sheriff and its an elected position.

[Unregistereddeputy344]

Does that mean that Levy does intend on using Deps for highway patrol and other jobs currently done by the SCPD? I heard about that before on here but I didn't read too much into it at the time. Afew guys at work thought Levy was actually more interested in having State Police cover more highway patrol instread because they don't get paid by the county.

As early as 04, the plans were laid.

[Unregisteredp344762]

Does that mean that Levy does intend on using Deps for highway patrol and other jobs currently done by the SCPD? I heard about that before on here but I didn't read too much into it at the time. Afew guys at work thought Levy was actually more interested in having State Police cover more highway patrol instread because they don't get paid by the county.

As early as 04, the plans were laid.

[theeeee]

As early as 04, the plans were laid.

As early as 04, this thread was started...but thanks for your input.

[Unregisteredc/p]

BEYOND PSYCHO. LOL it would be funny if some of those BULLIES got thrown in a cell with a pervert. HEHEHE

hey I did'nt chose your CAREER.

unlawful fleeing...lol