Suffolk county Cope Units

[Zaratta]

Either you put your papers in for cope and didn't get picked or your joe citizen who has had his head buried in the sand for the last several years!

[Ta da]

Are they the biggest waste of Suffolk County taxpayers monies and a unit designed for slack offs that can't be fired or promoted or do they serve a purpose?

[COPE]

Quote:all cope guys are good cops some are excellent cops
This is good news. It seems as though you have an inside view of the SCPD.

Maybe you could tell which units in the PD (patrol, hywy, aviation, ect...) are not comprised of good or excellent cops?

[dear carl]

let me rephrase that since every word posted here may be held against me. usually when you are a rookie you are not too good, unless you are from the last 3 classes and have 15 years on in the city and are about 38 years old, then as time passes you get better, finally one day you meet the secret standard of good cop. that is all i can tell you until you reply with your a-number
as far as bad cops they are self explanatory, you know it when you see it.

[scpd patrol]

there are many good/excellent cops in patrol too. Unfortunately, the job seems to forget this as do some members of COPE. I have heard that rah-rah speeches have been given by certain bosses basically telling them that they are "the best" and "the elite". Personally, I really don't know about that. The good cops there will continue to be good cops, others who got back there via phone calls and butt smooching, well, they'll walk around with swelled heads feeling superior. That's sad.
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[doin the job]

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scpd hopeful]

so what is it that makes you meet the secret standard of a good cop? and is there anyway to be one b4 being on the job for 15 yrs as u described?

[tada]

First of all it is every taxpaying citizens business what the Police do. Second, do not forget who is paying your salary. Third, that poor attitude of yours and with the I am high and mightly do want I want and don't have to answer to anyone because I am a Police Officer, that ignorant and bloated ego is what results in negative press for the department.

[Putter]

It is every taxpayers business what police officers are allowed to do, what the taxpayers can expect from them and who the public can go to if they need their assistance by any one unit.

[Jestlookin]

Whee you get into ito it, on that thread one person described COPE is CRAP. Which by the way is not far from truth if anybody else's COPE station is like ours, located in a strip mall with 24 hour business as their neighbors. There is never anybody COPE Officer there there except for the hard working patrol officer looking to relieve himself. COPE is a NO SHOW JOB and a waste of taxpayers money. Open those COPE stations to the local patrol officers, period and get those COPE slackers in the COPE unit where they belong, dressed up like clowns in a local parade at half the salary.

[doin the job]

You sure make pretty sentences.

[no]

you think we have to tell you everything we do? including evidence prior to a court case?... ah ok.
we dont answer to you we answer to our chain of command. my job is to enforce laws as i see fit and respond to 911 calls, i am not the public information rep, im a street cop. you dont pay our salary,suffolk county does, you pay your taxes, you dont have a say in the matter. go ahead chop off the 400-500 dollars you pay a year(that we divide up by over 3,000 employees) tape a little note to your mortgage" i refuse to pay cops" you will be sent a bill for the back taxes, you dont pay, you lose your house( that was taken from poster known as union rep, thanks bro you guys rule). we dont work for you we work for suffolk county, we enforce the laws of nys and suffolk county.
you start this thread by attacking cope, then criticize the replies that put you in your place, call us arrogant, bloated egos, etc please like thats original. what do you think, because you pay your required taxes, you can do whatever you want and i have to take it? hardly, by the way i too am a tax payer out here, does that mean i am my own boss? maybe i'm the commish boss too yay
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[cope 8]

ouch. say, this whole tax thing is really overdone, dont you think? you want us to uphold the law, yet at the same time have some sort of bias due to the fact that you contribute a few sheckles towards our salaries. any cope cop who has his 100+ utts and 10 arrests a month, can tell u, i make more money in a week for this county than i earn for myself. think about it 20-25 summons a week at 125 + fine minimum some more like 500.00, I WANT COMMISSION!!!!!!. thats reality my son.

[cha ching]

that would be nice commission on every summons, or conviction? either or wow think of how many guys would become hammers!!!!
thats a win/ win for the county and us!

[RealityCheck]

To state that there is good and bad in any field is senseless. There is good and bad in any field. What matters is the overall reputation of an agency. SCPD has horrible reputation. They have a horrid response time, are often disrespectful to the public and misprioritize beyond anything I have ever seen. Ever notice how VTL enforcement happy SCPD as felons run around freely. They run around freely because it would take some work to get them. That goes against this agencies philosophy. Burn the good guy is what I usually see. Ask any other police agency about SCPD and you get the SAME ANSWER 99% of the time. Those guys won’t do anything for you. How true this indeed is.

This agency stinks from the top down. There is corruption in varying degrees all over the place. I have yet to see an agency with management that is so personally agenda based at the administrative level. I have called the Pct after an obscene performance from a cop. You have to see the cover up start when you call the Precinct. It’s the best I have ever seen. The front desk cop starts the dance and makes a great effort to flag it. Then the supervisor starts break dancing. I just went along with the whole thing and then advised them I knew of everything they were doing. Then all of a sudden “reality” struck.

Something must be done about the performance principals of this department starting with a cop in this thread replying on he doesn’t answer to any other than his superiors. You better make sure you don’t run into me. If your attitude is not right I could certainly help you and that would take place in Yaphank. Police are “public servants” they are “sworn” to “protect and serve”. This is not in a derogatory manner “everyone” should be respected that goes for the cops AND that goes for the public!

[ada]

Does their past performance from conception to the present justify their expense. Are they really that necessary. Do they serve a legitimate purpose for the better of the community as a whole.

And how many freaking parades are there if the Cope stations are continuously left unmanned. Couldn't the cope stations be of better use for the local patrol officers other than a no-show Cope officer.

Plus, why did the Suffolk County Police department fire pregnant female patrol officers which resulted in a federal class action suit when they could have easily been re-assigned in the many stations especially unmanned Cope stations while in the interim higher ups cover up for the "bad" cops and kept them on the payroll.

[PO3617]

I really would like to know where you get your information from. If you want to do some research, why don't you look up how Nassau/Suffolk counties have the lowest violent crime and property crime rates in the entire country. That is a fact. Even you have to give some of the credit to the fine men and women who "serve and protect" the community. Maybe if the good people as you put it would obey the vehicle and traffic law then they wouldn't be issued a summons and we wouldn't go v/t crazy. People on the island are way too aggressive behind the wheel and the only way to convince some of them to drive safer is to issue a summons. If the SCPD has such a bad reputation then why are there over 50,000 applicants for every police exam? Please tell me who has a better reputation than we do. I know you don't mean the NYPD. I was there for years and the people hated us (some of the best cops I ever worked with though). It sounds to me like you may be upset because you got issued a summons for doing something foolish and instead of admitting guilt you decided to bash the police. That's ok. You are bound to make some enemies when being a public servant.
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[ada]

Violent crime rates and crimes rates in general are just like Newsday covering up its circulation quota and the Enron debacle. A total farce to the public.

[SIXTHREEONE]

If you are the same trunzo lover who post's how great a senator he is, why don't you get him to take charge of your PD issues. Fat old dinosaurs chance.
For your information not enough V&T enforcement is a big factor in why there is such aggressive driving on LI, when people believe they can get away with violations they become more emboldened to push the limits.
Just human nature.

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[REALITY CHICK]

"To state that there is good and bad in any field is senseless. There is good and bad in any field."
You criticize the statement as senseless and then you make the exact same statement, azszhole!

What matters is the overall reputation of an agency. SCPD has horrible reputation. They have a horrid response time
On the contrary, SCPD has an excellent, professional reputation in the law enfrcement community. Stop inventing things for sensationalism.

are often disrespectful to the public and misprioritize beyond anything I have ever seen. Ever notice how VTL enforcement happy SCPD as felons run around freely.
So you got scolded along with your speeding ticket, eh?

Burn the good guy is what I usually see.
Is that what you consider yourself- a good guy?

This agency stinks from the top down. There is corruption in varying degrees all over the place.
So, you were found guilty of speeding, huh? There is no corruption in the SCPD. If you have even the remotest hint of it, take it right to the District Attorney!

Ask any other police agency about SCPD and you get the SAME ANSWER 99% of the time.
So, you talk directly to agencies AND they answer you 99% of the time!

I have yet to see an agency with management that is so personally agenda based at the administrative level.
Quite simply, it's called getting the job done, a goal of every agency.

I have called the Pct after an obscene performance from a cop.
Got caught going past a red signal this time, too bad loser!

I just went along with the whole thing and then advised them I knew of everything they were doing. Then all of a sudden “reality” struck.
I screamed and yelled to the supervisor, just like I did to the cop who gave me the ticket and then they realized I wasn't taking my meds and needed to go to CPEP again. Goodnight, pleasant dreams....... ah, my meds are kicking in and all is right with the world, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......!

[reality checkmate]

the good/ bad cop was a joke, we are providing a service to the public, but we do not work for you, we work for the county. we dont lock someone up because u say so, we do it because we have reasonable cause to believe they violated a law. there are incidents i've witnessed that ive been ordered not to tell anyone until after trial, yes it slips out with my wife who ive been with since 1988.these things are not your business.
as far as being disrespectful i find as many citizens as cops are disrespectful. but of course we "have" to take it. yeah ok.
the issues about response time i think u confused with the vollies fd. any problem along those lines can be fixed simply, hire more cops for patrol, adjust the policing levels to met the population growth.
again i do not answer to you, i answer to my rules and procedures, if you have a legit complaint i will document it, if not i wont, if you are a victim of crime i will document it and attempt to gather evidence/ find the suspect. those things i do, frankly if im supposed to be intimidated of you because you know where hq is, or something along those lines, it dont work. yawn stop with the b/s
that is why i dont answer to taxpayers, who would get their way someone like you claiming to have connections, or the illegal immigrant? who by the way in my world is your equal, possessing every right under nyspl/scpl,bto that mr levy himself has

[Right]

if we did answer to civilians, everybody would be locked up for all their nypd blues, crime scene crimes.
we make choices based on the evidence giving to us.
1/2 the non criminal reports go something like this"comp 1 states, subject1 blah blah blah" whats the legal bearing a report like that has? none.
if you are reporting a crime we did not witness you sign an affidavit stating your story and if you lie you go to jail, again" comp states blah,blah".
if we get to your house you and your sister slapped each other, you both say its assault ,we tell u its harassment, oyou press on her she on you you both go. famous line at this point"but i called" again we make the choices. not you.
so u know where yaphank is wow im scared. you are going to complain go ahead, as long as i can articulate whatever choice i made i wont even lose a day. as far as running into you i do every day.this diatribe is so old my pop was dealing with it as a central islip po in 1955.
go ahead complain,i've had them before, never lost a day.funny you can threaten me with a complaint but what if i said if your attitude is not right you'll go to jail? how many posts would there be here about my arrogance? but i can. look up the laws disorderly conduct and obstructing government admin. you yell at me, i tell you lower your voice you dont i tell you to leave, you dont you've just disobeyed a lawful command from a p.o. just a quick example does not fit every situation, like your house, but these things can happen

[think about it]

first of all, it is true, we are public servants, our job is a little different than most. we serve the public by enforcing laws. you call the police, for whatever reason, lets say to take a report, we come to your house, put your name in our system, you pop a warrant, now you are in jail. that is how we serve the public. we just cleared a warrant for you.seriously, we are different from any other civil service, in that we are paid to negatively impact you the tax payers lives, when called for.the whole complaint thing is so overdone, it is expected that we all get a complaint every month, this works against you the public, because the legit ones may get thrown out with the wash, so to speak
i done this for a while, ive done all the good things, help disabled motorists, people with injuries, lost children, lockouts, and all the nasty sex abuse, murder, robbery, burgs, and so on. in think its amazing at any call the public will ask along the lines of whatts going on, i do not say none of your business, but i dont tell them anything. oh a accident, oh im just taking a report etc.the victim has the rightto privacy, if he/she want to tell you what happened thats up to them.
fyi certain questions are red flagged to us right away questions about policestaffing in a area, luchn or dinner breaks, how many cars are working. these kinds of things might seem innocent to you, but to us it could be someone trying to get information so he can plan something around our schedule

[put a fork in it]

enough already, we dont answer to them on the streets posting here encourages them, lets them think we do answer to them, you want info call public info bureau, oh they canned that, call central records, call anyone but me.

[TSP]

This topic is dead because a number of you on here avoided the issues and behaved like you were old girlfriends on here instead of sticking to the issue at hand. You guys were worst than a bunch of yenta's gabbing away while hovering over the back fence in between hanging up your laundry to dry.

[forkman]

negative this entire board is dead. there are too many know everything civilians that turn every thread into some pissing contest, no cop would bother posting anything relevant here,there would be too much static from the no-speakies, and i dont mean the foreigners.only threads the non law enforcement dont seem to interrupt are the ones about our lost brothers

[ChattiPatti]

"only threads the non law enforcement dont seem to interrupt are the ones about our lost brothers"

See we're not as bad as your thinking. At least we show some common decency. Maybe we think Sgt Hernandez was one of the few good ones You couldn't hold a candle to him, try that too maybe we'll respect you too. Sgt Hernandez is one of the reasons my kid doesn't hate LE.


P.S. I prefer spooning
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[shut up you stupid]

I believe you should post partem abort yourself and do the world a favor. Listen to the voices in your head and gargle w/ draino. You waste of 21% O2.

[forkman]

sadly the ones that should off themselves are the ones who call us so we can wipe their fat as*es.we should just set her up with jag and county resident, nice little love triangle

[knowyourtype]

I for one, hope ChattiPatti doesn't go away on here. She keeps you moron's who don't know how to behave to others under house arrest. She has you whipped online and you don't even know it.

[ChattiPatti]

Go fork yourself you jerk. You wish your wife had an ass as nice as mine when she gets to my age. Why...its my best ASSet

knowyourtype~ Thanks Sweety
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[c'mon at least dont use t]

Are you that much in a state of delusion or denial to assume that there are others on here who enjoy the way ChattiPatti has you morons who don't know how to behave to others on here whipped online.

[ChattiPatti]

Oh really? How sad for the taxpayers of Suffolk that they would make a deranged criminal a boss? Wonder how long it takes before he abuses another.
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[ChattiPatti]

The scum who claimed I resisted arrest then dragged me from my home of 28 years in front of my son?? Lets not forget he made fun of my then 16 yr old sons boxer shorts while Riveras accomplice, Anthony Leto heckled and laughed asking him "what are you gonna do, you can't help her".

WHAT KIND OF BOSS WOULD A RAPIST AND CHILD ABUSER MAKE? HE BEAT HIS OWN BROHTER IN THE 5TH PCT AND WHILE CHASING A SUSPECT A CHILD WAS MURDERED.

I would think he'd would be an embarrassment in the Lation community...
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[lt justo]

you mean latino right
yes hes a boss, my boss he rules
they said he got extra points on the test just for putting up w/ ur b/s

[PS]

i could get u to repeat the story, again, you little boy wears funny undies? sucks when the law catches up to you. and you thought the HOME BASE rule was in effect sorry as long as your home is in nys a suffolk po can smack you around and arrest you, our job is great, smacking down the trash,thanks for screwing up your life and giving one of ours a nice little stat. thats what you are, stats and job security. white trash families rule!

[ChattiPatti]

Um doesn't one become Sgt first? At any rate its only a matter of time before Justo Rivera f@cks up again. Giving him more power would just make it happen faster. I may just come to court for that one too

CONSIDER ME YOUR CHALLENGE IN LIFE RIVERA. Me & another woman will bever forget you. But its not in a nice way. Wonderin if he went to the Hernandez mass....
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[happy boss day]

no he is a lt, because of u, u almost gave him an ulcer

[ChattiPatti]

Listen if this is true, it was GIVEN to him. Next time it'll be a stroke. TRUST ME HE WILL SLIP UP.

By the way...who drives a newer black Jeep Cherokee? I couldn't believe my eyes, that he made the mistake of driving past my house REAL SLOW and peer into my porch laughing. Oh yea, I got the plate # too

SEE YA'LL SOON.
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[LT]

in your dreams patsy no one cares bout u

[ChattiPatti]

It won't be for long. YOU ONLY GOT IN BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A QUOTA COP or FOR SPITE.

Isn't that right Mark? Isnt the real issue that you couldn't get what your used to getting?
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[LT]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. new sherriff in town

[ChattiPatti]

KEEP DREAMIN.

P.S stay the hell out of my area. ALL of my neighbors know of you and have read your rap sheet.

Or Im tellin ya this county will go broke. ARE YOU WORTH THAT? Or is this another of MW games?
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[LT]

whatever its ur taxes. if u pay any

[ChattiPatti]

"if u pay any"

Paid for the year and now I know you don't know jack about me because if you did you'd know that one.

Catch you slithering past myhosue again and Im gonna break the county. COMPRENDE' STUPID?
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[break the bank]

go ahead dont bother me i live in nassau, raise your own taxes, wait til levy's out and we get the raise we deserve

[ChattiPatti]

Another braggart.

This is fun
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[ok]

fun having everyone laughing at ur sad life

[ChattiPatti]

i got a purpoise
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[ChattiPatti]

"fun having everyone laughing at ur sad life "

If you ask me all LEOs think everyone is f*cked up mentally or have messed up lives. Its because your stuck in a job where your constantly in the dark side of life.


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[ChattiPatti]

just me patti
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[ChattiPatti]

of the poor bastards arriving at your dark door patti
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[1 who knows]

She doesnt do the dark door

[curious]

Which COPE unit has the most arrests? The fewest?
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[county residue]

look it up on the cad screen, arrstats. you can get pct, sector, individual stats. you have to poke around a little think its up top on the toolbar or whatever you computer geeks call the top thing
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[Mr Padding Stats]

You can look on the cad but take a good look! A lot of
?30 commands ( especially 630 ) pad their stats. For instance the standard practice is you 32 a guy for 1192 and find out he's 511 & UPM. Thats one body, one CC# and 3 charges, but to make themselves look better they draw 3 separate CC#'s for 3 separate charges so on the cad it represents 3 bodies instead of one. the cad counts CC#'s and arrest #'s not bodies, so instead of having one body with 3 charges they have 3 bodies with 3 separate charges. So the cad system is as good as those ridiculous stat sheets we got rid of!

[hahahaha]

funny that u mentioned " Standard "

[ironic]

got to have close to 200 arrests already

[SCPD12]

1st, followed closely by 3td, then 5th, then 6th, then 2nd lastly by the old 4 house. Everything will change now that the 7th is up. 5 and 6 stats may slow down a bit now that the 7 precinct is on line. The 7th sounds like a busy house. We will see at the end of the year.
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[huh]

funny i heard the 6th was 1st, again, just rumor, maybe it was utts.
how about most per individual, and to shut up the empty stats critics can anyone provide the superstars from each pct no matter what command with the hot collars, assault1, arson1, grand larceny1, anyone with a homicide1? doubt it how about homicide 2?

[OTJ]

I hear that the CO of the 3rd bawled out his copers because they were last. thought it was a community oriented unit?
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[COKE COPE CO]

He was just angry since there was less Coke available for him to pilfer from the "mailbox".

[Annoyed]

Hey, no names, ok. This is a public website, and C.S. may be a tool, but shouldn't have his name splashed out on the net.

[comment]

unless u work around him no one will know what we alluding to. just his last name

[Right]

i graduated with him didnt figure it out until you posted his initials.

[Good Point]

10-4

[wi parent]

Do Cope officers usually go to local schools and/or organizations and give safety talks to children? I'm asking because my child's preschool had called the local COPE office to ask someone to speak at the school. They called 4 times and left messages during the week, but no one responded back. Should they call someone else? Thanks for your help . Thank you for your service.

[yes]

thats the dare program think it from cope
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[Minime]

COPE = Cops On Patrol Eating

[doin the job]

Previous post = "why can't I be there?"

[scpd patrol]

Which COPE unit did you call? (Precinct)
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[fRED]

whers the teletype
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[scpd patrol]

For COPE? As far as I hear, interviews are going on. Haven't heard about when the teletype will be out.
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[610]

out here, they've already scheduled med for bike school for couple guys on the list for cope

[CCU4LIFE]

There are 8 COPE spots open in the 5th including weed n seed. Supposedly 2-3 guys are moving from COPE to CCU. What will "they" do? You got it....fill only the 2-3 spots left by the guys who go to CCU. Once again Stevie Levy is all talk...promising the public that COPE will be built up and foot patrols will be restored. What a joke!

[command 120]

funny how everyone bashes us but over 30+ applicants to cope per pct, out of 150,thats roughly a hole squad

[scpd patrol]

I heard that all available openings in CCU were not all going to be filled. For example, if there were 6 POs in a CCU squad they will only carry 5 POs now.
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[bill 3454]

30 cops per precinct. thats 210 cops. That leaves 2,000+ that think and/know cope is a joke and don't want it including myself!

[command 120]

30 applicants not hires per pct
point is lots of people bash cope, but just as many wannabe

[funny]

4, but no one admits to it, if they do its ''im burnt out from handling my sector'' line, need a change of scenery.
or i dont want cope but its the only way out of patrol, GO GET A DESK JOB SWEETIE
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[sucker]

wheres the teletype already

[SCPD710]

The rumors are true, don't hold your breath.

[no movement]

Rumor is PC is not authorizing ANY movement. That is no back fill CCU or Cope

[Keepin it tru]

Anything today?

[impound kit]

nope you have to write another 473 more summons, and 14 more 511.3 32s and 17 more upm 32. and suck up a bit more, bring in some coffee 7-11 is fine. then maybe next time around kid

[Keepin it tru]

Grumpy!!!!!!!!

[impound papers]

im grumpy but content, you are riding the train of buttlicking to dissapointmnent. buch of empty promises, by a bunch of bosses riding your work to their next promo

[Keepin it tru]

....you were burned and your buttlickin did not work!! Because it sounds like a personal story!!!!

[impoundpapers]

not me i gots the biggest hook ever

[businessguy]

The following article was published in The Weekly Standard, April 14, 1997, pp. 15-16. It is reprinted here with permission of the publisher.

QUOTA HIRES IN BLUE
John A. Barnes

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When William Hayden scored just 78.9 on the 1994 Nassau County, N.Y., police exam -- a score that placed him more than 8,000 names down the list and well out of contention to be hired -- he knew something was fishy. A former New York city police officer and a fire marshal on Long Island, Hayden had studied hard for the test. The low score rankled him. Refusing to just let it go, he took out an ad and asked to hear from similarly disgruntled test-takers.

The response surprised even Hayden. One fellow candidate, who received a 67 on the exam, was not only a serving village police officer on Long Island (and therefore already a graduate of the Nassau Police Academy), but held a master's degree and was working toward a law degree; another candidate, this one with an M.B.A., scored a 78; a Suffolk County probation officer with a master's degree had an abysmal 64. Dozens of New York city police officers, many with distinguished service records in some of the city's toughest precincts, were stunned to discover they were considered unqualified to patrol Nassau County.

What was worse was what Hayden was hearing about those who had done well on the test. They included, according to his sources, people with exceedingly poor academic and work records, as well as some who refused to be drug-tested. What had happened?

Hayden, as it turns out, was correct in his suspicion that something was wrong with the test. For as Linda Gottfredson, a University of Delaware education professor who analyzed the validation criteria that were used to grade the test, commented, the Nassau exam constitutes "a case study in racially gerrymandering the content of a test."

Says Hayden, "What was done with this test is a disgrace. It's a national scandal." It certainly ought to be.

Nassau County, the suburb just east of New York City on Long Island, is one of the most desirable places in the world to be a police officer. Amidst its suburban sprawl of green lawns and quiet subdivisions, crime rates are extremely low. And police pay is extremely high, with the average Nassau officer taking home as much as $18,000 more per year than his counterpart in New York City. With working conditions like these, it is scarcely surprising that when the county offered its first police test in seven years in 1994, more than 32,000 hopefuls applied for perhaps 500 vacancies spread over the next four to six years.

But, as might have been guessed, there's trouble in paradise. For nearly two decades before the 1994 exam, the county was embroiled in litigation with the U.S. Department of Justice, which had repeatedly accused Nassau of using a civil-service test biased in favor of white males. The county finally threw in the towel in 1990 and signed a consent decree with the Bush Justice Department. The county and the feds would jointly design a new, "job-related" police exam. Four years and $3 million later, this is the test that was administered to Hayden and the others.

No doubt the county figured that with the feds codesigning the test, there was no way they could object to the results. If so, the county hadn't figured on the creativity of the quota police.

The test -- which was supposed to eliminate "disparate impact" from the get-go -- apparently failed in its purpose. So, to grasp the Holy Grail of an examination that passes equal percentages of whites and blacks, Nassau and the Justice Department manipulated the content of the test after it had been administered. The scoring process simply stripped the test of 16 of its 25 parts, the ones that (coincidentally) measured the ability to reason, think inferentially, and exercise judgement -- just the qualities that are necessary to perform virtually any mid- to high-level job satisfactorily, and especially that of a police officer. The validators retained a token reading-comprehension section, but the bar was set so low -- candidates had merely to be able to read as well as the worst 1 percent of incumbent police officers -- as to be virtually meaningless.

Why was this done? The validation report itself, on page 86, states baldly that cognitive testing was rejected "in the interest of minimizing adverse impact." In other words, "Blacks do not do as well as whites on such tests, so we'll simply ignore the results."

What was retained? A series of test sections that are said to measure personality and temperament along the lines of "openness to experience" and "achievement motivation." While the county has refused to divulge the test questions or the answer key, a flavor can be gleaned from these two questions, which were reproduced in the validation report: When you were in high school, were you a member of a sports team? A. Yes. B. No. Which of the two statements is most like you--A or B? A: I'm always in a hurry at work to get things done. B: At work, I think of myself as part of a smooth-running machine.

After Gottfredson published her findings in the Wall Street Journal last October, then-assistant attorney general for civil rights Deval Patrick replied with an exceedingly tendentious letter in which he refused to rebut the professor's arguments in detail. He blandly asserted, without offering evidence, that the Nassau test would "improve the police department." Patrick then added the scurrilous (and totally false) charge that Gottfredson had a financial interest in discrediting the Nassau test.

The likely upshot? As Gottfredson herself noted, the consequences of dumbing-down police tests are already well known. Not only are many poorly qualified minorities likely to be hired, so will many poorly qualified whites. That is exactly what happened in New York City in the 1980s when, as a Koch-administration official famously blurted out, a "functional illiterate" could pass the police exam. This was the era of the hiring of Michael Dowd, the notorious cocaine-dealer cop, and Kevin Nannery, who led a rogue posse of officers dubbed "Nannery's Raiders." It was to prevent the hiring of the likes of Down and Nannery that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani moved to greatly toughen both the mental and physical standards that new city police officers are expected to meet. In other words, New York City is moving in the direction opposite from that of Nassau.

Not that the city is likely to get away with it for long, however. Remember those "100,000 new cops on the beat" that President Clinton bragged so tirelessly about during last year's campaign? If the Nassau result is allowed to stand, it is safe to say that it will be used as a yardstick with which to beat local jurisdictions into what amounts to quota hiring, in exchange for the money to hire new police officers. Indeed, the Justice Department is already subjecting neighboring Suffolk County, N.Y., which just administered a police test of its own, to a "compliance review."

Hayden and 67 co-plaintiffs, represented by the conservative Atlantic Legal Foundation, filed suit in federal district court March 24. In the meantime, however, Congress should investigate. If the bizarre goings-on in Nassau County are not challenged, then Congress will be buying quota hiring at the price of public safety.

John A. Barnes is an editorial writer for the New York Post.


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[scpd patrol]

I understand from speaking to a few people in HQ that the recent SCPD exam was "dumbed down". They are having a hard time coming up with 60 qualified candidates for the next class in March (class of 50 with 10 alternates).
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[birdman41]

you should then keep your mouth shut since you already su*k enough di*k to get where your at then

[Nice]

whats a matter didn't even get an interview. If ya have nothing constructive to say..shut up! otherwise have the nuts to go up to any cope officer in you pct and say that..yea i didn't think so !!!
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[impoundpapers]

i would never do that to my dad, or my brother for that matter, thats disgusting,hah

[Do the Right Thing]

if thats true send birdman their names, he obviously needs some help

[scpd patrol]

Speaking of hooks, transfers, etc., I know of several people who recently put in for applicant investigations. I learned that the 3 spots have been filled, a couple from other hQ positions who apparently did not have to submit all transfer paperwork. I truly feel bad for those people who followed the rules and did not even get the courtesy of an interview. No matter what the PC or County Exec say, the playing field is not level. I'm glad that I'm happy and content where I am. It is sad to see and hear thse hard working people play by the rules and not go anywhere, much less get an interview.
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[Wrong Again]

Hey Patrol , Read the TT. Only one transfer to Candidate Invest. and that's temporary.

[RE SCPDPATROL]

The job has always rewarded the Runts and Xunts. Think of it this way, you can't cut it doing the job so you find a place to hide in HQ. Then you suck up to a bunch of bosses who the closest they get to the road each day is when they drive their dept. issued vehicles to and from work. How many civilian complaints, PD10s, 401, 301 time, lawsuits do these badge carrying secretaries rack up? The answer is Zero. Therefore to a boss who is also hiding from the road up in HQ, these are the people they want working for them. On paper they are the obvious ideal candidate since they have zeros in all of those negative categories. Road stats be damned, lets be honest about what bosses really care about. Lastly, to the victor goes the spoils. Levy and his lap dog Dormer are surrounding themselves with their own brand of loyalists and politically correct azzkissers. Unfortunately the barrel from which Levy/Dormer are drawing their wiz kids has gone rotten long ago. Why is morale low? The answer is simple, watching the Runts&Xunts, ass kissers, politically connected and bosses kids climb higher while they would like you to believe that if you don't bang in sick and keep your stats up you will go places eventually wears you down. For all of the hopeful out there, don't delude yourselves about the job. The difference is that it's a shorter commute and a bigger paycheck. The caliber of the co-workers and intelligence of the bosses isn't any better than from whence you came.

[CMD110]

I came from NYPD and don't believe SCPDPATROL. I don't know about Levy but Dormer seems like a solid guy. Let us face facts, there will always be people hooked into HQ jobs and as far as that goes they can keep them. I joined the Police to be a Cop, not a suit @ HQ. Look at the # of Bosses that Dormer made look @ the # of Detectives he is making. Seems like times are good for those who had there eye on work and worked/studied hard. Always going to be someone crying that something isn't fair, may be not always. But hey that's the way it goes. I think 40,000 NYPD would prob be happy to be here on Patrol for 20 years. What is so wrong with Patrol, I like Patrol, and I Love the SCPD! The vast majority of guys here are great guys with a few losers/ Bosses are much better in Suffolk, I remember the NYPD Sergeants, LT's and Even Captains scared to make a decision. Weren't bad people just afraid to make a call, something might go wrong.

[Jakes Dad]

Sorry to tell you %%WORD2%0 but SCPDPATROL is right on the money. When you get a few more years on the job maybe you will see for yourself. Dormer is a lap dog for Levy. He hasn't made any changes other than to change tours. Day to day everything is the same. In cmd 310, only those that make the most 511, dog leash warrant and UPM collars go anywhere. Forget about seniority even if you want a steady car. I just remember that I actually get 15 Pl days a year and am also comfortable were I am.
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[CMD110]

I don't need 20 years on to see jealousy. Like I said there will always be whiners. If you don't want to work, writing tickets, making arrests, yes even lowly warrant arrests, then stay in your sector car forever/ and stop complaining. You are right seniority does not count for everything. They are not taking zero producers to COPE NOR crime control because you won't do anything there either. Stop complaining if you don't want to work and don't want to study then guess what? You are a sector car operator, or a relief operator, if you really cry. Don't like it, you know the way out. It really is not Brain surgery. I will give you some may not deserve the gold shield but by far most do.

[cmd310]

First let me say that most people I work with are great....but the whining is unbelievable! You can be what ever you want on this job. If you love patrol you can find a nice car in Islip or Babylon and stay there. If you want work your tail off to try and get somewhere then do it. I am not saying everything on this job is on the level but show me what job is. There are guys in the city who would sacrifice much to have your "crappy" job. Take a field trip to the 75 pct and tell your Beeyatch stories to the first PO you find. Just get ready to avoid his punch after he stops laughing!! Take a look at yourself before you blame the job!

[whiners]

funny, some of the biggest crybabies are ex-nypd. guys've been so miserable for so long, CANT be happy.
i know a guy from this last class, w/ just 5 y/on city,says'' im gonna shipcan every call, no more than 7 tags a month, 32? not if i can help it'' ny finest?, not in this case.

[CMD110]

Sorry there Whiners, EX NYPD, like me, Love this JOB. If they are on Suffolk and still crying then they could take the test and go back,if it was better there in the big City. Thanks 310 for the backup. I liked the way you had people look at themselves.

[sensei]

i think you can only speak for yourself, cmnd110 . there are many people on this job that share your attitude. but there are others who do whine. some of the are city guys, some arent.
next think about what they are complaining about. some complain as whiners said just to hear themselves.
others have legit gripes. think about this, do you want this job to end up as bad the one you left?
someone else posted this a while ago, just because we have a decent job, doesnt mean we have to take sh't. just because we have a decent job, doesnt mean it cant be better, and we have to make sure it doesnt get worse.
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[confession]

i am an ex-nypd and i have to say that sometimes i find myself, along with a few other city guys complaining about this job. and yes bfore i got here, i'd say the same things,'' i'll mever moan, please God, let me get that job, i'll go to church.''..etc, well you know what, things still suck out here, once in a while. i reserve the right to complain, maybe we do complain more than guys who never were leos before, maybe not.whos keeping track?
its human nature to complain when things arent going well or if you're not being treated right. no matter how much money you make.

[925]

here also, clash of egos, please leave academy threads alone

[925a]

This isnt an academy thread. Learn to read, dummy.

[925]

ive got myself a stalker
the point was to get all the b/s off the academy thread i was showing the losers like yourself where else they can beat there chests and brag
next time read it a couple times slappy, you might understand it.

[925a]

That is the only thing going on on this board LOTS OF CHEST BEATING,I'M BETTER THAN THOU BS..........

[SCPD12]

Oh great Highway's here. Just what we need oh and you got the wrong thread. That says it all. How goes the recruiting to the Land OF misfits?
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[NOHOOK]

I HEARD THERE IS NO MOVEMENT

[hammer]

ARE THEY CUTTING BACK COPE AND CCU?

[Mike 4563]

Cutting back on COPE and keeping more on patrol! Hopefully they dismantle this useless unit and add a few sector cars. They can hire patrol on their RDO's for parades, funeral details etc so we still get OT!

[DISBANDED?]

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month?

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month?


Not a F'in chance. StevieLevy LOVES COPE. Where do you think6thCO came from. Back in the day ButtPlug would bail Stevies ass out of the fire when one was a COPE Sgt. and the other was a County Legislator.

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month?



Not a F'in chance. StevieLevy LOVES COPE. Where do you think6thCO came from. Back in the day ButtPlug would bail Stevies ass out of the fire when one was a COPE Sgt. and the other was a County Legislator
I actually heard something similar yesterday at hq,(whats up with quatermaster), then as I was leaving the pct, yesterday,(6th)
one of the lts was saying to a cope dweeb they're having a meeting w/RP with both cope teams and both C-61s, maybe........

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month? Not a F'in chance. StevieLevy LOVES COPE. Where do you think6thCO came from. Back in the day ButtPlug would bail Stevies ass out of the fire when one was a COPE Sgt. and the other was a County Legislator.

If Steve Levy is such a supporter of COPE, then his opponents should take a good hard look at it and see the waste of manpower it is. In some precints, it's practically a "No-Show" job.

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month? Not a F'in chance. StevieLevy LOVES COPE. Where do you think6thCO came from. Back in the day ButtPlug would bail Stevies ass out of the fire when one was a COPE Sgt. and the other was a County Legislator.

If Steve Levy is such a supporter of COPE, then his opponents should take a good hard look at it and see the waste of manpower it is. In some precints, it's practically a "No-Show" job.

Do you mean Cunts On Patrol Eating? or Cops Outta Patrol Excercising..

Anyone hear the rumor they are disbanding cope returning all Officers, Bosses to the 10 commands next month? Not a F'in chance. StevieLevy LOVES COPE. Where do you think6thCO came from. Back in the day ButtPlug would bail Stevies ass out of the fire when one was a COPE Sgt. and the other was a County Legislator.

If Steve Levy is such a supporter of COPE, then his opponents should take a good hard look at it and see the waste of manpower it is. In some precints, it's practically a "No-Show" job.

Being a no show job ended in the 5th when they got rid of E.J. to the 7th and P.B. to be a D.O. now Hwy.

[1InTheNo]

Gotten from a very good source:

Each crime section will give 3 officers to the squad. The crime section function will then be turned over to General Service.

Remaining crime section officers and supervisors will have the option of bumping people out of COPE. Those who chose not to go to COPE will be returned to patrol.

COPE officers and supervisors who get bumped will go to patrol (I would bet this will be the majority). Net result - fatter general service squad empire that investigates all crimes (just like Nassau), and the redeployment of about 100 cops and 20 sgts to patrol. I can see the headlines - "we just saved 13 million dollars a year, can cut over 100 positions, and all of your crimes will now be investigated by detectives".

Gotten from a very good source:

Each crime section will give 3 officers to the squad. The crime section function will then be turned over to General Service.

Remaining crime section officers and supervisors will have the option of bumping people out of COPE. Those who chose not to go to COPE will be returned to patrol.

COPE officers and supervisors who get bumped will go to patrol (I would bet this will be the majority). Net result - fatter general service squad empire that investigates all crimes (just like Nassau), and the redeployment of about 100 cops and 20 sgts to patrol. I can see the headlines - "we just saved 13 million dollars a year, can cut over 100 positions, and all of your crimes will now be investigated by detectives".

So why are multiple bosses I know about the get transferred to CC?

Do you mean C**ts On Patrol Eating? or Cops Outta Patrol Excercising..

Was that derogatory word really necessary...Would you use that word to your own mother...Did she bring you up to behave like a jack ass...Or are you so small of a man that a descriptive vulgar word like that is the only way you can express to others what little I Q level you have reached as an adult.

I think this is a good wake up call for those guys, remember last year when there was a slow down,I was talking to a Cope guy and he said, who cares what you write, they got us?

I think this is a good wake up call for those guys, remember last year when there was a slow down,I was talking to a Cope guy and he said, who cares what you write, they got us?

Yeah, they ought to wake up. Time for the slackers to do as other SCPD members are doing, the job instead of dicking around all day long. They are not worth the expense and are a waste of fart space because of four simple lettrs, COPE.