whats up??????????????

[its in its in]

September 9, 2009

The PBA and County have reached a tentative agreement which addresses the budgetary needs of the County and protections sought by the PBA. The framework of the agreement resolves the ongoing dispute between both parties.

No specific details are available at this time as the attorneys are actively discussing the language necessary to conclude the process. Information will be made available as soon as possible.

[and you are?]

Who are you and how do you know this?

[its in its in]

Who are you and how do you know this?

I'm the easter bunny, and i as well as any pba member who gets emailed updates from the pba know as much

[pindick]

its on the pba website

[Unpost]

why would you post it here?

[Unregisteredingleberry]

cause he is a shitstirrin rumour whore?

[PBA 23]

PBA gave $12 million in concessions to Levy. That is a lot of dough. I wonder if the membership is going to vote to give little Levy the money he has been trying to get from us.

[Unregisteredpbaczar]

You think the board is going to put it up to a vote to membership, Please they don't let the members make that choice.

[bendingover]

your talking about the pba..there wont be a vote. Get ready to bend over. Thats what 28 bucks bi-weekly will get you.

[Unregistered11112225]

Looks like a six year contract. motorcyles and warrants back. And the county will abide by the Perb decision for highway. Also no more police jobs given away until 2015. But no retro! Its worth it if we can ride out Levys tenure as CE without having to go into contract negotiants again. The language is just being ironed out by the lawyers.

[Unregistered ghty56]

Looks like a six year contract. motorcyles and warrants back. And the county will abide by the Perb decision for highway. Also no more police jobs given away until 2015. But no retro! Its worth it if we can ride out Levys tenure as CE without having to go into contract negotiants again. The language is just being ironed out by the lawyers.

No retro not even a little come on

[Unregistered????????]

Looks like a six year contract. motorcyles and warrants back. And the county will abide by the Perb decision for highway. Also no more police jobs given away until 2015. But no retro! Its worth it if we can ride out Levys tenure as CE without having to go into contract negotiants again. The language is just being ironed out by the lawyers.

We never lost warrants...

[Unbrain]

why would you post it here?

What exactly did he post? And if offended you, why would you contribute to the post?
When the story breaks in the news, you are not going to listen/read it? Are you going to question the reporter as to why he reported it?
The thread has been up for 15 hours and has been read 730 times.
Obviously someone wants to read about it

[Unregisteredogma]

6 years no, 3yes. read newsday.com. not sure on no retro

[the nerve....]

cause he is a shitstirrin rumour whore?

And I guess Newsday is too?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/levy-suffolk-pba-reach-tentative-pact-on-concessions-1.1434922

[nojidonlfje478h]

6 years no, 3yes. read newsday.com. not sure on no retro

3 years and another 3 years to be arbitrated giving us a contract through 2013. The 12 million in concesions would be the 2 years retro. Sounds like a good deal for not having to deal with Levy for another contract. Even if he somehow got re-elected that would put him at 2013.

But lets not forget Levy put this article out there, even though we all know through pba sources that a deal is tenative. Wouldnt put it past Levy to kill the deal and blame us. The guy is a snake that no one should trust. Thats why the contract length and the union secutiy through 2015 makes giving up the retro well worth it.

Hope we hear something definite very soon.

[its in its in]

cause he is a shitstirrin rumour whore?

I posted a email from the pba, quoted it verbatum. I'm sorry, but I believe that was a credible source. I assumed everyone who is a scpd pba member got the same email. I guess you werwe skipped somehow????
I'm now reading a press release from levy saying we are closing in on a deal online newsday.
I'm amazed.
I've read posts here that were complete fabrications. Even posters who register a username similiar to another (thehornet vs the hornet) Then post anon that he is a nassau cop, only to be proven a fraud.
Ive read 400 times how scpd lost marine bureau.
Ive read how deps are hammering scpd pba cards, only to have my son let off by Jason Korte, the supposed hammer, with a "have a good day"
But i'm the shitstirrin rumor whore?
Eat my shit

[Unregisteredqqqq]

3 years and another 3 years to be arbitrated giving us a contract through 2013. The 12 million in concesions would be the 2 years retro. Sounds like a good deal for not having to deal with Levy for another contract. Even if he somehow got re-elected that would put him at 2013.

But lets not forget Levy put this article out there, even though we all know through pba sources that a deal is tenative. Wouldnt put it past Levy to kill the deal and blame us. The guy is a snake that no one should trust. Thats why the contract length and the union secutiy through 2015 makes giving up the retro well worth it.

Hope we hear something definite very soon.

So its the last 2 years he owes us, plus another, plus 3 years to be arbitrated?
Newsday makes it sound like the concessions will be from deferral of o/t or pay hikes. It could be a couple years without a raise.

[Unregistered455687923f]

So its the last 2 years he owes us, plus another, plus 3 years to be arbitrated?
Newsday makes it sound like the concessions will be from deferral of o/t or pay hikes. It could be a couple years without a raise.

Yeah I read into that too. That would be fucked up! But if we are giving up retro that could also be the pay hikes they are talking about that we are giving up. Just dont let me see zero zero! Beeing a part of that in the city was enough.

But just the retro alone from the pba would equal 12 million if we got 4% a year for both years, and that 12 was the only give back in money value that was mentioned. It would cover it!

And the extra 3 years sounds like it would be part of the deal being that the contract would be extended through 2013

[Lololhhuhh]

Is it just me because I feel like that retro is mine. I have to give it all? For 6 motorcycles? Concerened

[Unregisteredcantsay]

So its the last 2 years he owes us, plus another, plus 3 years to be arbitrated?
Newsday makes it sound like the concessions will be from deferral of o/t or pay hikes. It could be a couple years without a raise.

My read is the 2 years he owes us now, plus next year, plus the arb board will work out the following three years.
Then either we give back a year at zero, or We give up the time and 1/2 on some hours, which I believe Nassau did both.
The article says nothing about retro.
So we just dont know, it could be as the article reads, or the article could be off.

[Unregistered 85836]

The payback to the county is probrably going to be the 2008 and 2009 retro. Im not sure what a PO makes biweekly but take that number add 3% (2008 raise . this % is a guess at what might be in there. ) Then times it by 26 then do the same for 2009 raise. That brings you right around the 6 million dollar mark qouted in newsday. If this is the case there would be no retro but your raise would be roughly 200 dollars a pay period starting Jan 2010. A 3% raise would give you an estimated 100 dollars in 2008 and 100 dollars in 2009. added up over 2008 and 2009 thats 5200 per person (about how much the sda and soa gave back) times 5200 by 1100 officers and that brings you to almost 6 million. These numbers are estimates but they sound like it would work out. Remember the soa and sda defferred till ret. this would probrably be the same with pba retro.

[peckerheard]

[QUOTE=nojidonlfje478h;306556]3 years and another 3 years to be arbitrated giving us a contract through 2013. The 12 million in concesions would be the 2 years retro. Sounds like a good deal for not having to deal with Levy for another contract. Even if he somehow got re-elected that would put him at 2013.

The guy is a snake that no one should trust. Thats why the contract length and the union secutiy through 2015 makes giving up the retro well worth it.


good deal? i don't think so

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Everybody take a deep breath. What you are reading is Levy's spin on the deal. It appears nothing is signed yet so let's not count the chickens just yet.
However while retro now would be nice, retro deferred for a few years and the paid out at the future pay rate would be nicer! They can't defer ot because not everybody works the same amount of hours. Some work well over 150, some work none so there is no fair and equitable way to defer OT.
I don't know about anybody else, but if the deal is 2 years defered retro in exchange for an extension to 2010 and another 3 year deal after that it sounds like a win-win for us.

[Ben Doveragain]

Looks like the PBA caved in. Does the arbitrator get an additional six months, to decide on third year ?

[bettergetatleast3%]

as long as the retro is deferred and not just taking away for ever.

[not even one hour]

Looks like the PBA caved in. ?

Watch how fast levys hacks are going to be on here claiming victory, forgetting that levys initial offer was what amounted to a 20k paycut. And ours was about 1/2 of what we are getting

correct

[steve bent over further]

Looks like the PBA caved in. Does the arbitrator get an additional six months, to decide on third year ?
It looks like the 3rd year will be at the same rate as the 1st two.
Lets put this in perspective. Levy wanted to end uniform allowance, mid year raises, seniority pay, a crap load of other perks, PLUS lag payroll.
When we entered negotiations we were asking for a 4 year deal with around 3.5%.
As time passed we all heard the rumor of 2 years plus retro at 3.5%- 4%

So what are we losing? Money we never had, or potential earnings we wont have, maybe a year or two of frozen pay, for a six year contract, and some measure of job security. 6 years of not going through arb, spending our money on our lawyers, etc.
We gave something back, but we had to anyway. We made our point. Every other union in suffolk county tapped, we didnt. Levy gave up more then we did, he caved in far more then we did.

[Unregisteredpprc]

as long as the retro is deferred and not just taking away for ever.

Retro is a arbitrators award. Sometimes its 100% sometimes its not. THe only time retro is deferred is when the union and county agree to defer it.

[the article]

says nothing about retro

[Unregisterednaaah]

3 years and another 3 years to be arbitrated giving us a contract through 2013. The 12 million in concesions would be the 2 years retro..

It says nothin about 12 million, it says 6.8

[think about it...]

All I'm going to say is the initial arbitrators award must have been a doozy for levy to give back so much.

[Unregisteredgooddeal]

Is it just me because I feel like that retro is mine. I have to give it all? For 6 motorcycles? Concerened

Not for 6 motorcycles! For everything else that he has and will continue to take from us. Marine Bureau, ESU, Aviation, etc...

How long before Deputies would have been taking patrol duties from pcts? We need to do this. I dont want to give up retro either, but a contract through 2013 takes us until the end of Steve Levy! He cant run again after that and they wouldnt take anymore jobs from our union. I havent been happy with the way things have been going but if the paper is accurate and this is the deal, only losing retro is a homerun! Jeff did a great job on this one, if we didnt do other give backs as well. Remains to be seen, but retro for job security..sign me up!

[Unseriously]

All I'm going to say is the initial arbitrators award must have been a doozy for levy to give back so much.

Tru dat

[cantwait]

no money can equal the joy of seeing the Deps getting kicked off the hwys and back to making bologna sandwiches."Hey Joe, we ran out of bread." "No problem Sarge, I'll run to King Kullen. I'll take my cool Charger. Yee Hah"

[Fhhuyfhbvds]

Security? They are not firing anyone. So we give up 10 grand to keep levels somewhat normal. Sounds like the administration's job. After all that's all we have been saying on these ads. Levy is s
a mastermind. He won

[Unregistered45641]

Retro from 4 and 4 adds up to alot more than $12 million.

[23232]

no money can equal the joy of seeing the Deps getting kicked off the hwys and back to making bologna sandwiches."Hey Joe, we ran out of bread." "No problem Sarge, I'll run to King Kullen. I'll take my cool Charger. Yee Hah"

I'm sure our guys would do it with more class than "get off the road, we've got it from here."

[i smell ben]

Security? They are not firing anyone. So we give up 10 grand to keep levels somewhat normal. Sounds like the administration's job. After all that's all we have been saying on these ads. Levy is s
a mastermind. He won

Ok. Sure.
What ever you say Ben. Or is it Tim, or maybe even little stevie. You can try to spin it all you want. We all know this deal does more than keep things "normal"
And Levy is not a mastermind, he is a punk.

[peckerbreath]

no money can equal the joy of seeing the Deps getting kicked off the hwys and back to making bologna sandwiches."Hey Joe, we ran out of bread." "No problem Sarge, I'll run to King Kullen. I'll take my cool Charger. Yee Hah"

too funny

[UnregisteredHarrysG.]

I'm buying a new car.

Thanks little Steve.

[eunuch levy=empty suit]

Security? They are not firing anyone. So we give up 10 grand to keep levels somewhat normal. Sounds like the administration's job. After all that's all we have been saying on these ads. Levy is s
a mastermind. He won

A mastermind? This is costing him more then our original plan. And its costing him a lot more then the 20,000 per cop give backs he wanted.
PLUS he is now a eunuch in regards to manuevering our job around and giving it to deps.
And we are contractually set until 2013??? He lost.
Remember EVERY union conceded the lag payroll without gaining anything.
A 6 year contract at even 3% a year(18000) is well over what we gave up.

[levy tapped out]

Security? They are not firing anyone. So we give up 10 grand to keep levels somewhat normal. Sounds like the administration's job. After all that's all we have been saying on these ads. Levy is s
a mastermind. He won

Security as when you get promoted from patrol, you dont get a call from hq telling you to report to the 1st as a relief driver after 35 years.
Security as in you dont get bumped to another pct for holistic training. security from levy fucking with you.
We are giving up 10 days pay, not 10k. Just like every other union.
But the difference is we are giving it up on our terms, not his.

[Trttghjf]

A mastermind? This is costing him more then our original plan. And its costing him a lot more then the 20,000 per cop give backs he wanted.
PLUS he is now a eunuch in regards to manuevering our job around and giving it to deps.
And we are contractually set until 2013??? He lost.
Remember EVERY union conceded the lag payroll without gaining anything.
A 6 year contract at even 3% a year(18000) is well over what we gave up.

True. Your right. Actually insaine.

[Unregistereddfg]

A mastermind? This is costing him more then our original plan. And its costing him a lot more then the 20,000 per cop give backs he wanted.
PLUS he is now a eunuch in regards to manuevering our job around and giving it to deps.
And we are contractually set until 2013??? He lost.
Remember EVERY union conceded the lag payroll without gaining anything.
A 6 year contract at even 3% a year(18000) is well over what we gave up.

levy won because he wont have to be dragged through the ringer every 2 years in arbitration only to lose. he saw how suozzi managed to eek out a decent pr, and took that way out.

[UnregisteredHarrysG]

Have faith in your union.

[won by losing]

levy won because he wont have to be dragged through the ringer every 2 years in arbitration only to lose. he saw how suozzi managed to eek out a decent pr, and took that way out.

So you are saying he won because he lost and knew it so quit?
Ok that works for me

[23232]

While it remains for the lawyers to finalize this agreement, I know it will be a PLEASURE to get back to serving the people without all this drama and distraction.

[I was there too]

Security? They are not firing anyone. So we give up 10 grand to keep levels somewhat normal. Sounds like the administration's job. After all that's all we have been saying on these ads. Levy is s
a mastermind. He won

What's the matter Barraga? Not enough people heard you say the same crap at the safety hearing this morning so your seeing if it holds water here?
Sorry Charlie!
Your act is deader than fried chicken. Levy lost this one no matter how hard you spin it. Good luck with the flunkie business.

[Unregistered????]

first of all we NEVER LOST WARRANTS!!! Secondly, no retro is equivalent to our lag payroll and then some!!

[check it out...]

Its too early to claim win or loss.
However I've seen the original offer of the ce to the pba
and the original offer of the pba to the ce
If we got zeros across the board, we would have beaten the county's offer, as it was all givebacks, over 10 k and that was before the lag payroll was proposed
And if we get the 6 year deal, with 3% across the board with or without retro, we beat the original offer the pba proposed.
Ask your union rep

[Unregisteredmrknots]

So no retro includes OT so if I worked 300hrs I have to give back more then the guy who worked no OT? Hows that work..

[Unregisterednotsureee]

So no retro includes OT so if I worked 300hrs I have to give back more then the guy who worked no OT? Hows that work..

In nassau the 1st 100 hours were straight time...or something like that

[sit+spin]

So no retro includes OT so if I worked 300hrs I have to give back more then the guy who worked no OT? Hows that work..

We dont know what the lagpayroll is coming from.
retro isnt mentioned anywhere in the newsday article.

[Unpost]

Not for 6 motorcycles! For everything else that he has and will continue to take from us. Marine Bureau, ESU, Aviation, etc...

What are they going to do with all the boats, es trucks etc....

[Unpost]

What are they going to do with all the boats, es trucks etc....

Sorry, meaning the Deputies

[Unregistered345]

There were never ' all the boats, trucks ' etc. just trolls.

[DISGUSTED!]

F'n PBA! 3's across the board with no retro?!?! At least throw in a 4.5-5% raise for a year or two! Levy won this one! Took away from us things we would have gotten back thru PERB and had the PBA thinking they had a major victory by preventing him from doing again? WHO CARES WHAT THE SHERRIFFS GET! It only effects a very small portion of the Dept! The majority of us are always and will always be on patrol. Why sacriface our financial security for those units who already have a "one Way" attitude?
Levy had the PBA lose focus on what was important and made this a major negotiaiton factor. Then the union give back 12mil in concessions when the CE only wanted 6 mil?!? Keep supporting this weak a$$ board and watch this job go FURTHER down the drain! Time for a new regime JEFFY! You and your fudge packing lemmings have overstayed your welcome!

[UnregisteredDeputy.]

I wish you guys all the luck in the world. No give backs, 5% raises across the board for six years, no lag payroll, and with any luck you will take back the Highway Patrol so I can resume the job I had before this whole thing went crazy.

This is not a joke or a jab at anyone, seriously GOOD LUCK!

[Thanksmucho]

What is it 5% or 3%? who knows right... thanks

[UnregisteredHarrysG]

I wish you guys all the luck in the world. No give backs, 5% raises across the board for six years, no lag payroll, and with any luck you will take back the Highway Patrol so I can resume the job I had before this whole thing went crazy.

This is not a joke or a jab at anyone, seriously GOOD LUCK!

We can't blame the deps. They're just following orders like anyone else.

I resent the way SC went about it, but the deps have always supported us and still do.

[Unregisteredserty]

first of all we NEVER LOST WARRANTS!!! Secondly, no retro is equivalent to our lag payroll and then some!!

You arent getting it. We were going to lose it. How long I heard we will never lose Highway,.. well we did! Highway was onlt the begining, it wasnt going to end. This dept would have been dismantled, and if Levy had his way you would have never seen another SCPD class again!
If we get a six year contract with the agreement that they can no longer give our jobs to the Sheriffs or another agency through 2015 then Levy can never fuck with us again! Its over!
To give up retro!! C'mon it is so worth it.

[Unregisteredttt5566]

We can't blame the deps. They're just following orders like anyone else.

I resent the way SC went about it, but the deps have always supported us and still do.

Listen, if we get the roads back, and this all goes are way, they already lost. Levy was only using them and we all knew it.

[Be grateful]

F'n PBA! 3's across the board with no retro?!?! At least throw in a 4.5-5% raise for a year or two! Levy won this one! Took away from us things we would have gotten back thru PERB and had the PBA thinking they had a major victory by preventing him from doing again? WHO CARES WHAT THE SHERRIFFS GET! It only effects a very small portion of the Dept! The majority of us are always and will always be on patrol. Why sacriface our financial security for those units who already have a "one Way" attitude?
Levy had the PBA lose focus on what was important and made this a major negotiaiton factor. Then the union give back 12mil in concessions when the CE only wanted 6 mil?!? Keep supporting this weak a$$ board and watch this job go FURTHER down the drain! Time for a new regime JEFFY! You and your fudge packing lemmings have overstayed your welcome!

If indeed you are a cop you are without a doubt an ignoramus. Every perk, benefit and paycheck you receive was won or negotiated by the PBA. How exactly have you contributed to the betterment of our contract since you came on? If you are that unhappy you can always try to make changes by getting involved in the union rather than sniping at them without doing anything. Talk about an ingrate. I for one am unhappy with certain things in the union but I am always grateful for what I now have because of what they have done. Having said this I don't believe for one second that your a cop because I have read so many post from the same troll who always refers to Frayler as "Jeffy". So if you are in fact a troll, thanks for the raise and get me my coke andd fries since I'm coming to your drive up window now.

[DISGUSTED!]

If indeed you are a cop you are without a doubt an ignoramus. Every perk, benefit and paycheck you receive was won or negotiated by the PBA. How exactly have you contributed to the betterment of our contract since you came on? If you are that unhappy you can always try to make changes by getting involved in the union rather than sniping at them without doing anything. Talk about an ingrate. I for one am unhappy with certain things in the union but I am always grateful for what I now have because of what they have done. Having said this I don't believe for one second that your a cop because I have read so many post from the same troll who always refers to Frayler as "Jeffy". So if you are in fact a troll, thanks for the raise and get me my coke andd fries since I'm coming to your drive up window now.

LOL...ur just another one of "JEFFYS" lemmings. Face the facts u loser....Levy had the PBA play right into his trap.

[notlostbut deferred?]

let me know if I'm wrong- we did not lose the retro, it's being deferred until retirement. is that correct? since the SOA agreed to defer the 10 holiday days, will they get the full retro?

[UnregisteredYygeewjkl]

let me know if I'm wrong- we did not lose the retro, it's being deferred until retirement. is that correct? since the SOA agreed to defer the 10 holiday days, will they get the full retro?

They will keep it. They gave back half of what we will. Wonder what we are talking about anyways. How many cops in union? It should puck up i am hoping. WTF Am I talking about. I got to go to sleep. 8%raise will be a good pay jump

[AnswerNO!]

F'n PBA! 3's across the board with no retro?!?! At least throw in a 4.5-5% raise for a year or two! Levy won this one! Took away from us things we would have gotten back thru PERB and had the PBA thinking they had a major victory by preventing him from doing again? WHO CARES WHAT THE SHERRIFFS GET! It only effects a very small portion of the Dept! The majority of us are always and will always be on patrol. Why sacriface our financial security for those units who already have a "one Way" attitude?
Levy had the PBA lose focus on what was important and made this a major negotiaiton factor. Then the union give back 12mil in concessions when the CE only wanted 6 mil?!? Keep supporting this weak a$$ board and watch this job go FURTHER down the drain! Time for a new regime JEFFY! You and your fudge packing lemmings have overstayed your welcome!



I think this is the best post here. We got screwed again by our union!

[trolllllllllllll]

F'n PBA! 3's across the board with no retro?!?! At least throw in a 4.5-5% raise for a year or two! Levy won this one! Took away from us things we would have gotten back thru PERB and had the PBA thinking they had a major victory by preventing him from doing again? WHO CARES WHAT THE SHERRIFFS GET! It only effects a very small portion of the Dept! The majority of us are always and will always be on patrol. Why sacriface our financial security for those units who already have a "one Way" attitude?
Levy had the PBA lose focus on what was important and made this a major negotiaiton factor. Then the union give back 12mil in concessions when the CE only wanted 6 mil?!? Keep supporting this weak a$$ board and watch this job go FURTHER down the drain! Time for a new regime JEFFY! You and your fudge packing lemmings have overstayed your welcome!

there is only one sheriff, and only one r in the word sheriff.
troll

[S Levy Wins]

SO NOW THE BIG TOUGH PBS MEMBERS WHO BERATED EVERYONE FOR SETTLING WITH LEVY ARE ON BENDED KNEE KISSING LEVY'S ASS FOR A DEAL!!!!!

Levy is the one who finally broke the PBA! Any concession from the PBA is a major victory for Levy.

The PBA can spin it anyway, but Levy lost nothing and the PBA lost tens of millions for its members.

Levy's next move will be to delay the second three year arbitration so that the PBA will not see the contracts for years '11, '12, '13 till well into 2014. They are not going to see raises for '08, '09, and '10 till well into 2010 as it is. The PBA started negotiations for '08 and '09 back in '07.

This deal also says that Levy cannot give away PBA jobs, it says nothing about abolishing them! Yes a play on words but mark my words! Why else would Levy not need to budget a new class?

All these give backs so the PBA can get a few motorcycle jobs and a few more jobs on the Highway. All the next CE has to do is take away Marine and Aviation to get more give backs!!!! The PBA is leaving the door open for future CE's!

One last thought does this agreement mention anything about Levy not filling the highway jobs when he loses the PERB case? No, it only says he will not appeal it . It does not say he has to put PBA members back. One word: TROOPERS

[rightwherehewantedus]

LOL...ur just another one of "JEFFYS" lemmings. Face the facts u loser....Levy had the PBA play right into his trap.

oh yes, losing control of manpower issues until 2015 for any ce
asking for 20k back per cop and then giving us a minimum of 18k
demanding from arbitration a one year contract, but agreeing to 6
demanding a pay freeze, then a 1% increase, and now giving the arbitrators complete control over the pay raise for a 6 year contract.

that levy is so tricky

[impeach levy]

oh yes, losing control of manpower issues until 2015 for any ce
asking for 20k back per cop and then giving us a minimum of 18k
demanding from arbitration a one year contract, but agreeing to 6
demanding a pay freeze, then a 1% increase, and now giving the arbitrators complete control over the pay raise for a 6 year contract.

that levy is so tricky

by extending the contract for 6 years, and agreeing not to mess with any units or details until 2015, levy has effectively removed any power he, or the next county exec will have.
This is not what the taxpayers voted him in for. levy made his bones saying he was the one to reign in the evil empire.

[Unregistecorrectd]

Retro is a arbitrators award. Sometimes its 100% sometimes its not. THe only time retro is deferred is when the union and county agree to defer it.

Nassau gave up retro as well. In fact this seems similiar in many ways to Nassau's deal, but without all the givebacks...so far

[uncle olgov]

let me know if I'm wrong- we did not lose the retro, it's being deferred until retirement. is that correct? since the SOA agreed to defer the 10 holiday days, will they get the full retro?

Retro is not guaranteed. Its awarded by the arb board. We could have been slated for anywhere from 25%-100% of the pay raise.
The truth is retro was never even mentioned in the article, and my pba rep doesnt know.
The soa usually just piggybacks off of our award, Obviously if we gave retro up, that is something they would negiotate.
If thats the case levy "won" two years of raises from us, but its a Pyrrhic victory for him because we never really had it, and now hes facing a 4 year contract, with raises plus loss of control over details to outside agencies.

[Unregisteredhmmm]

from newsday
The deal would expand the pending arbitration award on a new PBA contract, expected this fall, from two years to three years. It also provides for a three-year arbitration for a contract to run from 2011 to 2013. Levy said the $12 million in concessions would come not from a lag payroll, but deferral of overtime or future pay hikes. Levy also agreed to restore the motorcycle unit disbanded last summer, keep the police warrant work from going to the sheriff and end "holistic" training which has transferred 35 officers to unfamiliar precincts.
The 12 million is coming from o/t or pay hikes, not retro...

[SicSemperTyrannis]

The proof is in the pudding. The only problem is nobody has had a taste yet.
The deal is not done. Levy let the cat out of the bag early so he could get his spin on it first. All this hoopla is over one article in Newsday by Rick Brand...not exactly a pillar of journalistic integrity. Who was Brand's source? Levy himself.
Before we start ringing the churchbells and dancing in the streets let's see it on paper.
However, if all these trolls and hacks are already in hyper-spin mode after reading Levy's version, it has to make you think we (the cops) are going to win this one.
Keep the faith brothers and sisters!
Good luck and God bless!

[UnregisteredHarrysG]

Suozzi has backed off and called for a truce with Nassau. Not for one second do I think Levy has matured this way.

Levy screwed his position when he appeared uninvited at the arbitration meeting to heckle the process. The arbitrator disliked the vertically-challenged, little-man. In return we were rewarded well.

Thanks Stevie.

[Unregistered52dgdcsbv]

So the bikes are coming back! What would be a big deal is if they put highway patrol back. It should be all or nothing. Taking care of a couple of escort guys isnt much of a big deal! Disbanding highway was equivilant to disbanding a pct.
Makes me sick! That should have been part of the agreement too. They should be getting highway back for all that we are giving up. Not leaving it in the hands of PERB. It was supposed to setteled in Feb., then April, Then Sept.....Im losing faith in perb!

[UnregisteredBgfsfhyggh]

So the bikes are coming back! What would be a big deal is if they put highway patrol back. It should be all or nothing. Taking care of a couple of escort guys isnt much of a big deal! Disbanding highway was equivilant to disbanding a pct.
Makes me sick! That should have been part of the agreement too. They should be getting highway back for all that we are giving up. Not leaving it in the hands of PERB. It was supposed to setteled in Feb., then April, Then Sept.....Im losing faith in perb!
No! Wait for the decision. "binding" arbitration

[S Levy Wins]

from newsday
The deal would expand the pending arbitration award on a new PBA contract, expected this fall, from two years to three years. It also provides for a three-year arbitration for a contract to run from 2011 to 2013. Levy said the $12 million in concessions would come not from a lag payroll, but deferral of overtime or future pay hikes. Levy also agreed to restore the motorcycle unit disbanded last summer, keep the police warrant work from going to the sheriff and end "holistic" training which has transferred 35 officers to unfamiliar precincts.
The 12 million is coming from o/t or pay hikes, not retro...

What bunch of fools. First, Levy has not given up control over manpower. He has simply said he will not give away any more jobs to the Sheriff. Well, that is a real joke on the PBA. The Sheriff has straight up told Levy he doesn't want nor does he have the manpower to do the jobs. That was all a scare tactic.
Nothing precludes Levy from abolishing more jobs, changing more shifts, using more civilians, ect..

The PBA is giving Levy over 12 MILLION dollar$ back! That is the largest give back in the history of Suffolk County!

All the PBA gets is maybe what they had back and to maybe keep what they lost! Nothing new, nothing additional!

The PBA always had four year Arbitration awards. Now they are giving up 12 Million to get a three year award and to get to go back for another 3 year award.

No matter how you spin it the PBA is getting beat by the man who lives in his Mom's basement as they like to say!

[UnregisteredPMI]

So the bikes are coming back! What would be a big deal is if they put highway patrol back. It should be all or nothing. Taking care of a couple of escort guys isnt much of a big deal! Disbanding highway was equivilant to disbanding a pct.
Makes me sick! That should have been part of the agreement too. They should be getting highway back for all that we are giving up. Not leaving it in the hands of PERB. It was supposed to setteled in Feb., then April, Then Sept.....Im losing faith in perb!

Ok rumor has it the bikes are coming back. Is Marine bureau gonna get the sector Marine1 back? What about all the holistic transfers? Do those members get to come back if they want to their pcts? What if they dont want to come back? If this is all gonna be done & settled with, does the pba still need our extra $26 a check? I figured the PBA meeting Tuesday will be packed. Be safe all.

PS LEVY HATES COPS

[i smell ben]

What bunch of fools. First, Levy has not given up control over manpower. He has simply said he will not give away any more jobs to the Sheriff. Well, that is a real joke on the PBA. The Sheriff has straight up told Levy he doesn't want nor does he have the manpower to do the jobs. That was all a scare tactic.
Nothing precludes Levy from abolishing more jobs, changing more shifts, using more civilians, ect..

The PBA is giving Levy over 12 MILLION dollar$ back! That is the largest give back in the history of Suffolk County!

All the PBA gets is maybe what they had back and to maybe keep what they lost! Nothing new, nothing additional!

The PBA always had four year Arbitration awards. Now they are giving up 12 Million to get a three year award and to get to go back for another 3 year award.

No matter how you spin it the PBA is getting beat by the man who lives in his Mom's basement as they like to say!

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Keep on spining you hack!
You got all that crap you are spewing from one paragraph in an article by Rick Brand? That's not how I read it.
This just shows you don't have a clue. Binding arbitration awards are always 2 years. For it to be extended past that both parties; the bargaining agent and the municipality must agree to it. The reason we got 4 year deals in the past is because past CE's were reasonable people, not midget tyrants who live in their mom's basement.

[S Levy Wins]

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Keep on spining you hack!
You got all that crap you are spewing from one paragraph in an article by Rick Brand? That's not how I read it.
This just shows you don't have a clue. Binding arbitration awards are always 2 years. For it to be extended past that both parties; the bargaining agent and the municipality must agree to it. The reason we got 4 year deals in the past is because past CE's were reasonable people, not midget tyrants who live in their mom's basement.

That is what I'm saying. You use to have everything you wanted. Now Levy is kicking your asses all around the County.
What part of you have to give up 12 MILLION dollar$ to try to keep what you have and maybe get back what you did have did I get wrong?

That Mom's basement living midget is kicking PBA ass!

[pointbypointdestruction]

What bunch of fools. First, Levy has not given up control over manpower. He has simply said he will not give away any more jobs to the Sheriff. Well, that is a real joke on the PBA. The Sheriff has straight up told Levy he doesn't want nor does he have the manpower to do the jobs. That was all a scare tactic.
Nothing precludes Levy from abolishing more jobs, changing more shifts, using more civilians, ect..


Wrong. Levy agreed not to outsource any scpd jobs. That includes othe rsuffolk, town, state, and private agencies, in levys own words" Wont shift police work to other agencies". There are no jobs left to civilianize. He can "abolish( a might popular troll word) " any position he likes, just like he did to COPE, and was soundly thumped by the public.
QUOTE=S Levy Wins;306897]
The PBA is giving Levy over 12 MILLION dollar$ back! That is the largest give back in the history of Suffolk County!

[/QUOTE]The pba is among the larger and highest paid unions in suffolk. It has always agreed to do the lag payroll, just like any other union WHEN levy agreed to stop shifting police work to other agencies. It stood tall for what was important and made levy come to the table and negotiate. So now its "giving back" money it never had. Lag payroll to be recoupesd at the end of their career.QUOTE=S Levy Wins;306897]
All the PBA gets is maybe what they had back and to maybe keep what they lost! Nothing new, nothing additional!

[/QUOTE] 6 years of a contract at 3%...a lowball figure, will earn the pba members about 20k. The lagpayroll will withhold about 8-10k until retirement. The pba will not have to hire lawyers every two years to fight levy for a contract ..estimate cost of 1.75 million for the next 3 contracts. QUOTE=S Levy Wins;306897]
The PBA always had four year Arbitration awards. Now they are giving up 12 Million to get a three year award and to get to go back for another 3 year award.

No matter how you spin it the PBA is getting beat by the man who lives in his Mom's basement as they like to say![/QUOTE]

No such thing as a 4 year arb award. by law the max is two years...we are allowing the county to use our 12 million to fix the county's problems and loaning it to levy without interest until we retire.
No matter how you spin it, levy wanted over 20k back from us in this contract. We are getting money.
Levy wanted to strip most of our perks, they remain intact.
Levy had to agree to not outsourcing our jobs.
Levy refused to negotiate anything over the standard 2 year contract, now its 6 years.
Thats a win, fine.
I'll be taking my lost of a raise of 4.22 an hour to the bank!!!

[levy wins]

That is what I'm saying. You use to have everything you wanted. Now Levy is kicking your asses all around the County.
What part of you have to give up 12 MILLION dollar$ to try to keep what you have and maybe get back what you did have did I get wrong?

That Mom's basement living midget is kicking PBA ass!

ehh that 12 mill is lag payroll. We've always said we have no problem helping levy and the private sector when they screw up, we've bailed you out before, and we'll be glad to again. Unlike the one in the 199os when we had a decent ce, we needed levy to concede that if we help him, he wouldnt outsource our jobs.
The money will be there when we retire, you guys need it more then us now

[cmon now]

That is what I'm saying. You use to have everything you wanted. Now Levy is kicking your asses all around the County.
What part of you have to give up 12 MILLION dollar$ to try to keep what you have and maybe get back what you did have did I get wrong?

That Mom's basement living midget is kicking PBA ass!

We've done lag payroll before. We'll do it again. We just needed levy to admit he wont mess with our details.
While we are allowing levy to borrow our 12 million, the net worth of the contract will increase our salaries by about 20 mill. I'm living quite comfortably with my current salary. The 8k in raise coming this year would be fine, but now I'm getting 4 more raises from levy for between 3-4k a year? If all we get is 3% a year that brings top salary to 115k.
plus we are lending him money we never had, as opposed to our holiday checks.

[i smell ben]

That is what I'm saying. You use to have everything you wanted. Now Levy is kicking your asses all around the County.
What part of you have to give up 12 MILLION dollar$ to try to keep what you have and maybe get back what you did have did I get wrong?

That Mom's basement living midget is kicking PBA ass!

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I quess they don't teach reading comprehension in hack school.
It says "deferred". That does not mean "give up". I don't know what planet you live on, but here on earth "deferred"=money in the bank. All Levy managed to do is solve his short term budget "crisis" buy kicking the can down the road so his successor has to pay us that money in the future. Tell stevie I said thanks for the CD at 3.5% that is full of money that I'm not gonna miss now, but am gonna love to spend later. I'll trade deferred money for guarenteed BINDING arbitration for 6 years, job security, and an end to Levys dog and pony show 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.
Try to spin that Ben. But first, go comb your hair you freak.

[call it what uwill]

My dear trolls;
I know you are working hard here trying to get under our skin.
However despite what you claim to be a loss, I know that after 6 years, I will be making 10.22 an hour more, if we just got 6%.
Ouch thats some loss huh?

[UnregisteredWTF??]

The PBA always had four year Arbitration awards. Now they are giving up 12 Million to get a three year award and to get to go back for another 3 year award.



by law binding arbitration is for 2 years....you dont know what the f you are talking about

[call it what uwill]

My dear trolls;
I know you are working hard here trying to get under our skin.
However despite what you claim to be a loss, I know that after 6 years, I will be making 10.22 an hour more, if we just got 6%.
Ouch thats some loss huh?

I meant 3% a year.

[Unregisteredchachinger]

That is what I'm saying. You use to have everything you wanted. Now Levy is kicking your asses all around the County.
What part of you have to give up 12 MILLION dollar$ to try to keep what you have and maybe get back what you did have did I get wrong?

That Mom's basement living midget is kicking PBA ass!

The 12 million we are lending to levy is from money we never actually had, in other words future earnings. So what are we giving up? Theoretical money.
Theoretical money, that is until I retire, and get yet another check.

[Unregisteredyo]

Agree to disagree on who won, but the question is will they be hiring within the next 6 months?

Also roughly how many retirings are they expecting with this new agreement?

[Unregiste1red]

Agree to disagree on who won, but the question is will they be hiring within the next 6 months?

Also roughly how many retirings are they expecting with this new agreement?
There is no hires through end of year, so none for the 1st 4 months.
Levys budget is expected next week for next year. you'll see then.
Its hard to say asfar as reitement, although I think if the contract is as good as it sounds very few will retire BECAUSE of it, and many might just stick around for a few more years.
If the lag is deferred retro til retirement it will have zero impact. If its the deferred o/t worked, it will make guys stick around.

[outofwhospockets]

The 12 million we are lending to levy is from money we never actually had, in other words future earnings. So what are we giving up? Theoretical money.
Theoretical money, that is until I retire, and get yet another check.

All the other unions GAVE back money...somehow the pba is skating by deferring money they never had.
The soa gave back 10 days, 6k each thats almost 2.5 million out of their pockets.
Pba is giving up money they never had, and still getting a substantial raise.

[UnregisteredOhShip]

I'm from the SOA.

I want all your names and badges for whooping our azzez.

[JEFFSmyHero]

Stand up to the dictator levy and he folds like a cheap lawn chair.

[Unregistered4321]

All the other unions GAVE back money...somehow the pba is skating by deferring money they never had.
The soa gave back 10 days, 6k each thats almost 2.5 million out of their pockets.
Pba is giving up money they never had, and still getting a substantial raise.

Ths SOA and SDA deferred those 10 days.
If this agreement turns out to be legit when the these unions settle it most likely will be drafted in a way that reflects what has already been deferred.
If not, they will just get it back when they retire. No loss.

[prognosis positive]

There is no hires through end of year, so none for the 1st 4 months.
Levys budget is expected next week for next year. you'll see then.
Its hard to say asfar as reitement, although I think if the contract is as good as it sounds very few will retire BECAUSE of it, and many might just stick around for a few more years.
If the lag is deferred retro til retirement it will have zero impact. If its the deferred o/t worked, it will make guys stick around.

No one is going to retire because of the contract.
Depending on the percent, and years, some might stick around a few more years

[Unregistered40Yrs]

No one is going to retire because of the contract.
Depending on the percent, and years, some might stick around a few more years

Till they throw me out.

[levys lackey]

No one is going to retire because of the contract.
Depending on the percent, and years, some might stick around a few more years

then thats a win for the pba

[get the phone]

All the other unions GAVE back money...somehow the pba is skating by deferring money they never had.
The soa gave back 10 days, 6k each thats almost 2.5 million out of their pockets.
Pba is giving up money they never had, and still getting a substantial raise.

Somebody call this guy a WAAAAAAAAHHHMBULANCE!!!!

[Unregistered92-112]

Jeff and the PBA did battle with levy, took some lumps, but have come out on top. This is without a doubt the most trying time any SCPD PBA board has ever seen. We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions.

If this deal comes thru as reported, we sail thru the remainder of the Levy administration unmolested, and at a higher rate of pay than we've had in 2 years.

If you want he SCPD to continue on the road towards being the second bananna in Suffolk law enforcement, oppose this deal in your own greed and short-sighted self-interest.

If you want this department to emerge from the dark cloud under which Levy and Dormer have kept us, protect what we have until Levy is out of office and begin to re-build (while getting a pay raise on top of it all), then you should be all for this agreement.

This was a hard fought negotiation and we have made concessions, but that is part of any negotiation. What we have given up (temporarily) as far outwieghed by what we have gained. And no matter how you slice it, THAT is a good deal.

[another92-112]

Jeff and the PBA did battle with levy, took some lumps, but have come out on top. This is without a doubt the most trying time any SCPD PBA board has ever seen. We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions.

If this deal comes thru as reported, we sail thru the remainder of the Levy administration unmolested, and at a higher rate of pay than we've had in 2 years.

If you want he SCPD to continue on the road towards being the second bananna in Suffolk law enforcement, oppose this deal in your own greed and short-sighted self-interest.

If you want this department to emerge from the dark cloud under which Levy and Dormer have kept us, protect what we have until Levy is out of office and begin to re-build (while getting a pay raise on top of it all), then you should be all for this agreement.

This was a hard fought negotiation and we have made concessions, but that is part of any negotiation. What we have given up (temporarily) as far outwieghed by what we have gained. And no matter how you slice it, THAT is a good deal.

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Well stated.
The only thing I would add is that we are DEFERRING, not GIVING UP anything!
Sign me up right now.

[AnswerNO!]

So the bikes are coming back! What would be a big deal is if they put highway patrol back. It should be all or nothing. Taking care of a couple of escort guys isnt much of a big deal! Disbanding highway was equivilant to disbanding a pct.
Makes me sick! That should have been part of the agreement too. They should be getting highway back for all that we are giving up. Not leaving it in the hands of PERB. It was supposed to setteled in Feb., then April, Then Sept.....Im losing faith in perb!

The union knows that its a lost cause. Its gone for good and thats the price of our contract.

[blueclaw]

The union knows that its a lost cause. Its gone for good and thats the price of our contract.

I want to see a finalized contract that says SPECIFICALLY what we are gaining and what we are giving up before I weigh in and say whether or not the contract is good or bad.

[i smell ben]

The union knows that its a lost cause. Its gone for good and thats the price of our contract.

No way you are a cop.
We didn't "give up" anything. And the reason PERB keeps getting pushed back is because the county knows its going to lose and is postponing the inevitable. But you already know that don't you Ben.

[Unregistered797984]

The union knows that its a lost cause. Its gone for good and thats the price of our contract.

your right. Cost alot. the public wins.. right thing to do. People need all they can get during this tough time. Plus I would hate to see someone get bounced around from one pct to the other.. Sure they are happy about it. Lets give credit to dormer as well.. He put the pressure on.... Went with the theory "The more you take now the more they cant get in the future"

lets see how it plays out......

[Unregisterediceman]

We stood our ground and did not simply roll over

Thank God for the union...otherwise every one of you might have been homeless or struggling to get by on $100,000 annually.

[Unregistered78974]

Thank God for the union...otherwise every one of you might have been homeless or struggling to get by on $100,000 annually.


heard that before... 0/0/0/

[BULLCRAP CENTRAL]

Jeff and the PBA did battle with levy, took some lumps, but have come out on top. This is without a doubt the most trying time any SCPD PBA board has ever seen. We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions.

If this deal comes thru as reported, we sail thru the remainder of the Levy administration unmolested, and at a higher rate of pay than we've had in 2 years.

If you want he SCPD to continue on the road towards being the second bananna in Suffolk law enforcement, oppose this deal in your own greed and short-sighted self-interest.

If you want this department to emerge from the dark cloud under which Levy and Dormer have kept us, protect what we have until Levy is out of office and begin to re-build (while getting a pay raise on top of it all), then you should be all for this agreement.

This was a hard fought negotiation and we have made concessions, but that is part of any negotiation. What we have given up (temporarily) as far outwieghed by what we have gained. And no matter how you slice it, THAT is a good deal.

You said; "We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions".

Your statement is crass and contemptious. Somehow you think you know what is best for the "other" unions, and what they got in return for giving in to Levy. You can say that the SCPBA was tougher because they waited, and fought with Levy longer than other unions, OR you could say that the SCPBA fought too long and paid too high a price for something that Levy demanded and in the end got. Maybe the AME union board was the smartest for quickly giving in to the tyrant and moving on. It's all symantics, rip off the bandaid fast or slow, it still hurts. You guys chose to spend time and your money fighting a very public war with Levy, which arguably cost you a truckload of public opinion, and at best was a draw from your side of the bargaining table. Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

[Enough bs]

So what are we getting and what do we have to give?

[You forgot >]

You said; "We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions".

Your statement is crass and contemptious. Somehow you think you know what is best for the "other" unions, and what they got in return for giving in to Levy. You can say that the SCPBA was tougher because they waited, and fought with Levy longer than other unions, OR you could say that the SCPBA fought too long and paid too high a price for something that Levy demanded and in the end got. Maybe the AME union board was the smartest for quickly giving in to the tyrant and moving on. It's all symantics, rip off the bandaid fast or slow, it still hurts. You guys chose to spend time and your money fighting a very public war with Levy, which arguably cost you a truckload of public opinion, and at best was a draw from your side of the bargaining table. Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!

[Ggdhvfkvgf]

Was told 5. 4. 3.

[Unregisteredobserve]

We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!

Really! He took a command away from us! A whole pct in Highway PAtrol! Bluffing you say??? Now he can never mess with us again!
And by the way, it not your Highway Patrol, never was and its a disgrace that it is for a moment in time.
Enough about our bad deal, So what do you have in writing from Levy???? Or do you just have his honest word?

[you forgot too]

We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!

And you can guarantee next year or the year after he couldnt give any of those details away?
Now we can. He cannot give any detail away.
He bluffed, we bluffed, what did we lose? Nothing. Either way we were going to do lag payroll. Now we are doing it with money we never had.

[horsehockey]

You said; "We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions".

Your statement is crass and contemptious. Somehow you think you know what is best for the "other" unions, and what they got in return for giving in to Levy. You can say that the SCPBA was tougher because they waited, and fought with Levy longer than other unions, OR you could say that the SCPBA fought too long and paid too high a price for something that Levy demanded and in the end got. Maybe the AME union board was the smartest for quickly giving in to the tyrant and moving on. It's all symantics, rip off the bandaid fast or slow, it still hurts. You guys chose to spend time and your money fighting a very public war with Levy, which arguably cost you a truckload of public opinion, and at best was a draw from your side of the bargaining table. Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

Hes getting 12 mill in money we never had, and giving up over 20 million in this new contract. We didnt lose 6000 out of our own pockets like the soa did. Not a knock on any other union.
Public opinion? Who cares? Either you like us or hate us. And frankly more people LIKE the fact we fought with him, then not.

[Unregisteredtools]

Is the public really that lame that they are going to fall for this?
Levy agreed to pay scpd 30+ million in this contract, pba agrees to give back or defer 12 million until they retire.
How this will happen who knows. Maybe it will be taken from the retro pay owed scpd. Maybe it will be from new hires, pay freezes or a combo there of.
You go to macys, you buy a necklace on sale. 30% off. You leave feeling like you are on top of the world. You beat the system you saved 70 bucks. 3 weeks later the same necklace is not on sale, and its only 5 bucks more. You've been had.
Levy himself said it, its a win win situation. The pba gets their money, and levy can spin how he saved money. But the salaries are going up. He could have easily just given them the money, the 20+ million, instead he gave them 32+ and took 12 back...why?

I've read it here, claims that scpba never ever gave back 12 million before, a huge win for levy. SPIN
But it is money they never had.
Then the spin is levy couldnt give away anymore details. This is based on the current manpower situation of deputies. Of course this could change in a blink, as suffolk could hire a class of deps with their prior police license intact, and not have to push them thru the academy. This year, next, the year after, etc.
What the pba has done is remove levy's control over that decision. In and of itself a huge victory and a blow to levy's ego.

[BIG TIME]

We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!

Thats today. but what about next year? What about every year from now til 2015?
What this does is take away levys ability to hire deputys and replace police with them. As of right now a nypd can come out here and become a deputy without going thru the academy.
Levy is going to have to hire police or pay the police he has overtime to work in the place of those he didnt hire.
He cannot remove cops from the warrant sqd and put them back into patrol to make up for manpower lost to retirement. Then replace them with deputies.
He is going to have to either shutdown the warrant sqd, a move that will make him vunerable to criticism during any election, local, state regional etc, pay o/t or hire new cops.

["we" "our"]

Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!

Levy doesnt have anyone TODAY to fill those slots.
Levy wanted a class of 80 deps next year, or park police. If not next year the year after..it was going to happen sooner or later.
and what did "our guys" bite on? "We" have up to a six year deal, and a guarantee of no further outsourcing to other agencies as long as levy is in power, unless he loses the next election, where the next guy wont have the power either.
"We" had to do the lag payroll, just like every other union but unlike the other unions its from money "we" never had, as opposed from "our" pockets.
remember the starting point in contract talks, "we" went to him asking for a 4 year 2.5%-3% raise.
He came back asking for "our" uniform pay, 1/2 the holiday pay, a freeze on salaries, and other givebacks that would have equalled over 15k a cop.
This is a win in every way.

[morehorsehockey]

Hes getting 12 mill in money we never had, and giving up over 20 million in this new contract. We didnt lose 6000 out of our own pockets like the soa did. Not a knock on any other union.
Public opinion? Who cares? Either you like us or hate us. And frankly more people LIKE the fact we fought with him, then not.

Oh, no they don't. They REALLY don't like the fact that in a recession a union already seen as greedy would get even more greedy when unemplyment's almost at 10%. You NEVER had the public on your side on this one. Hate to introduce you to reality, but it's true.

[Un2054444]

Really! He took a command away from us! A whole pct in Highway PAtrol! Bluffing you say??? Now he can never mess with us again!
And by the way, it not your Highway Patrol, never was and its a disgrace that it is for a moment in time.
Enough about our bad deal, So what do you have in writing from Levy???? Or do you just have his honest word?

lol...."it not your highway patrol" lol, who's this genius??

[bullcrap 101]

You said; "We stood our ground and did not simply roll over like other unions".

Your statement is crass and contemptious. Somehow you think you know what is best for the "other" unions, and what they got in return for giving in to Levy. You can say that the SCPBA was tougher because they waited, and fought with Levy longer than other unions, OR you could say that the SCPBA fought too long and paid too high a price for something that Levy demanded and in the end got. Maybe the AME union board was the smartest for quickly giving in to the tyrant and moving on. It's all symantics, rip off the bandaid fast or slow, it still hurts. You guys chose to spend time and your money fighting a very public war with Levy, which arguably cost you a truckload of public opinion, and at best was a draw from your side of the bargaining table. Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

Hardly. Contempt on this board? No way. Your post is typical of someone who is upset because he knows we are right.
The soa rolled over because they could have lost their position and been relegated to patrol. What did they get in return? An attempted removal of cope postions, warrants, etc.
We didnt fight levy on lag pay because we didnt want to give lag pay, we fought because we wanted something back. An assurance that he wouldnt remove any more jobs from scpd and outsource them. When we got what we wanted and were satisified, we agreed to give the lag pay. does it hurt? No. The money we are giving up we never had. 6 million, 12 million? We could have went with a 40 million dollar contract and given 20 back, does it really matter?
A draw? We are getting a 6 year contract, which at a 3% increase( the minimum it would be) It would amount to a 10+ an hour raise. 18-20k raise, We are giving up retro pay that we never had back to the county, which we may or may not get at retirement. Maybe the new hires are giving up some money and or hours of work. Either way its money we never had.
Now we have an assurance of no outsourcing for the next 7 years too.
Public opinion? Levy was never questioned before, since this started hes lost some face. The majority of the public already made their minds up about us, and this really hasnt changed anything.
Long drawn out expensive fight? yes and worth every cent.

[2013 contract]

Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

The word on the street is the next contract we are going to be giving back 50 million of a 65 million dollar deal, since you guys are gushing and falling all over yourselves with these savings

[foresightnotforeskin]

We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!
Remember this deal is thru 2015. Between now and 2015 there is no way levy would have let things alone. Sooner or later there would be a new dep class, and more jobs lost. The deps already requested 10 more deps for hiway.
What this does is force levy either use the police taxes on hand and hire more police or pay us overtime.

[Unregistered2322233]

Levy doesnt have anyone TODAY to fill those slots.
Levy wanted a class of 80 deps next year, or park police. If not next year the year after..it was going to happen sooner or later.
and what did "our guys" bite on? "We" have up to a six year deal, and a guarantee of no further outsourcing to other agencies as long as levy is in power, unless he loses the next election, where the next guy wont have the power either.
"We" had to do the lag payroll, just like every other union but unlike the other unions its from money "we" never had, as opposed from "our" pockets.
remember the starting point in contract talks, "we" went to him asking for a 4 year 2.5%-3% raise.
He came back asking for "our" uniform pay, 1/2 the holiday pay, a freeze on salaries, and other givebacks that would have equalled over 15k a cop.
This is a win in every way.

this will gaurantee a new police class. not deputies or parks. And Levy will come out in the public looking good.
No matter how you look at this everybody wins, except the deps. But if they really didnt want highway then they finally get to give it back

[Typical BS artist SC cop]

Hardly. Contempt on this board? No way. Your post is typical of someone who is upset because he knows we are right.
The soa rolled over because they could have lost their position and been relegated to patrol. What did they get in return? An attempted removal of cope postions, warrants, etc.
We didnt fight levy on lag pay because we didnt want to give lag pay, we fought because we wanted something back. An assurance that he wouldnt remove any more jobs from scpd and outsource them. When we got what we wanted and were satisified, we agreed to give the lag pay. does it hurt? No. The money we are giving up we never had. 6 million, 12 million? We could have went with a 40 million dollar contract and given 20 back, does it really matter?
A draw? We are getting a 6 year contract, which at a 3% increase( the minimum it would be) It would amount to a 10+ an hour raise. 18-20k raise, We are giving up retro pay that we never had back to the county, which we may or may not get at retirement. Maybe the new hires are giving up some money and or hours of work. Either way its money we never had.
Now we have an assurance of no outsourcing for the next 7 years too.
Public opinion? Levy was never questioned before, since this started hes lost some face. The majority of the public already made their minds up about us, and this really hasnt changed anything.
Long drawn out expensive fight? yes and worth every cent.

I thought the guys post was on the money. In addition, in your post you are committing the cardinal offense of counting those chickens before they are hatched! The deal you are so adimately touting is not even inked yet, it is just a "proposal" that still needs to be approved by both sides. Lets wait to see what actually makes it to the printed and signed version. But be careful, you are dealing with Levy and you should certainly count the fingers on your hand following the final handshake!

[Untruegistered]

It's all symantics, rip off the bandaid fast or slow, it still hurts. You guys chose to spend time and your money fighting a very public war with Levy, which arguably cost you a truckload of public opinion, and at best was a draw from your side of the bargaining table. Levy originally wanted 6 million in lag money from you, now he is getting over 12 million, so who won?

The bandaid was not on our arm but levys. Remember the give backs are coming from money we never had. And yes its 12 million now not 6, 12 mill we never saw, but will see when we retire. The other unions simply gave up their money, and got nothing in return

Opinion? Are you for real? Opinion also as far as how levy did, all the posts about how levy was the chosen one to crush the evil empire to put us in our place? Now he sits down and works out an 6 year contract at whatever the arb panel feels like giving us. Now he agrees not to mess with our jobs.
so what does he have left?
At least if he kept his yap shut, and simply kneeled down instead of all the poodel-esque yapping, he wouldnt look stupid.

[typical bs artist troll]

I thought the guys post was on the money. In addition, in your post you are committing the cardinal offense of counting those chickens before they are hatched! The deal you are so adimately touting is not even inked yet, it is just a "proposal" that still needs to be approved by both sides. Lets wait to see what actually makes it to the printed and signed version. But be careful, you are dealing with Levy and you should certainly count the fingers on your hand following the final handshake!

Worse comes to worse, we back out take the 4% plus retro for two years, and start this all over again as the contract would expire in 1/2010.
no give backs, and the stalemate continues...its not that bad at all.

[Unregisteredsgsfdg]

"We" had to do the lag payroll, just like every other union but unlike the other unions its from money "we" never had, as opposed from "our" pockets.



Hate to burst your bubble but the Correction Officers had their "lag" taken out of "money they never had".

Also, whats with the spin that its a 6 year contract? Its two 3 year contracts, a one year extension on our current arb., and the promise that the next one will be for 3 years also. That next one is going to be after ever other union settles their contracts, years away. Please stop the spin and lay the deal out there for all of us to see.

[Unregistered/yeehah]

Hate to burst your bubble but the Correction Officers had their "lag" taken out of "money they never had".

Also, whats with the spin that its a 6 year contract? Its two 3 year contracts, a one year extension on our current arb., and the promise that the next one will be for 3 years also. That next one is going to be after ever other union settles their contracts, years away. Please stop the spin and lay the deal out there for all of us to see.
Oh excuse me, i'm not up on c/o contracts.
what is 2 times 3? six. the county has agreed to six years of contract, relinquished control to the arb board..... and of course after multiple other unions both within the county and outside settle, giving us the benefit of their awards.

[sorry charlie]

Please stop the spin and lay the deal out there for all of us to see.

No can do, my union trustee showed me the basis of the contract. But its not available to the public.

[unfingreal]

So what did we GAIN in this deal? Nothing. Thirteen months ago this would have been a shit sandwich (still is). We gained nothing. Warrants can still be axed, just not given to the deps. A six year deal? Thats like saying we got a twenty year deal, in 10 two year arbitrations. We gave up 12 million dollars (when levy was asking for 6) so that as of today nothing will change for 6 years (other than motorcycles back). Well news flash - where we are today SUCKS. And we won?????????

[Unregnotso]

Remember this deal is thru 2015. Between now and 2015 there is no way levy would have let things alone. Sooner or later there would be a new dep class, and more jobs lost. The deps already requested 10 more deps for hiway.
What this does is force levy either use the police taxes on hand and hire more police or pay us overtime.

This is NOT for a deal thru 2015. It is a deal for an additional year on the arbitrators 2 yr (max. for arbitration) for a total of 3 years. It is also a deal that if a new contract can not be negotiated by 12/31/10, that the county will agree to go to arbitration for 3 yrs again. (again arbitrator can only do 2 yr.) Everything in the agreement between the PBA and the county basically will expire at the end of the 3 yr contract 12/31/10. The deal also puts a POLICE not sheriff class in the academy 3/2010. The delegates now have the official list of 15 different points.

[Unregisteredreallyreal]

So what did we GAIN in this deal? Nothing. Thirteen months ago this would have been a shit sandwich (still is). We gained nothing. Warrants can still be axed, just not given to the deps. A six year deal? Thats like saying we got a twenty year deal, in 10 two year arbitrations. We gave up 12 million dollars (when levy was asking for 6) so that as of today nothing will change for 6 years (other than motorcycles back). Well news flash - where we are today SUCKS. And we won?????????

we gave up 12 million of a supposed retro award that may or may not have been 12 million.
We gained 20 million in salary. It is more then the pba asked for originally, and while not what we got the the 1990s, those days are long over. 3-4-5% raises are all we 'll ever see again. we also didnt lose any perks
Levy cannot outsource jobs, and any cuts made he will be held accountable, as you saw with COPE, bad pr.

[reading comp!!!]

This is NOT for a deal thru 2015. It is a deal for an additional year on the arbitrators 2 yr (max. for arbitration) for a total of 3 years. It is also a deal that if a new contract can not be negotiated by 12/31/10, that the county will agree to go to arbitration for 3 yrs again. (again arbitrator can only do 2 yr.) Everything in the agreement between the PBA and the county basically will expire at the end of the 3 yr contract 12/31/10. The deal also puts a POLICE not sheriff class in the academy 3/2010. The delegates now have the official list of 15 different points.

the deal referred to is 2015 of no outsourcing to deps. Reread the post you quoted, nothing about salary or contract

[Unreh]

No can do, my union trustee showed me the basis of the contract. But its not available to the public.

why no can do? its public record

[huhuhuh]

we gave up 12 million of a supposed retro award that may or may not have been 12 million.


Sorry I don't get this. May or may not be 12 million? So if its 10 million we all just right a check for the other two??????????? Right?

[sureiknow]

the deal referred to is 2015 of no outsourcing to deps. Reread the post you quoted, nothing about salary or contract
Never said it was the contract via the arbitrator settlement. It is a contract between the PBA and the county. This "agreement" or "contract" between two parties, also gives us the safety and assurrances with certain issues, and recourse if the county backs out of the deal, as stated in one of the points agreed upon. I never said it has to do with salary. It was no outsourcing to any agency, this will also include the park rangers. Only "outsourcing" is to civilianize.

[Unregisteredtoobad]

why no can do? its public record

Not yet. Deal isnt signed

[reading comp(still)]

Never said it was the contract via the arbitrator settlement. It is a contract between the PBA and the county. This "agreement" or "contract" between two parties, also gives us the safety and assurrances with certain issues, and recourse if the county backs out of the deal, as stated in one of the points agreed upon. I never said it has to do with salary. It was no outsourcing to any agency, this will also include the park rangers. Only "outsourcing" is to civilianize.

The post you quoted specifically refers to the deal not to outsource, not the actual contract.
Thats why you got the dunce cap reply

[Unpost]

THE CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED BY THE ARBITRATOR, can all of you see that? Do all of you understand that?? You all are just yapping with NO valid info.

[foresightnotforeskin]

This is NOT for a deal thru 2015. It is a deal for an additional year on the arbitrators 2 yr (max. for arbitration) for a total of 3 years. It is also a deal that if a new contract can not be negotiated by 12/31/10, that the county will agree to go to arbitration for 3 yrs again. (again arbitrator can only do 2 yr.) Everything in the agreement between the PBA and the county basically will expire at the end of the 3 yr contract 12/31/10. The deal also puts a POLICE not sheriff class in the academy 3/2010. The delegates now have the official list of 15 different points.

You quoted my post, my post was a reply to this post;
Originally Posted by
We also saved the motorcycles which effected - 12 guys, Marine Bureau, Pistol License, Warrants etc. All of which were threatened but never moved on because Levy doesn't have anyone to fill those slots with the Deps already waist deep trying to do their own stuff and our highway patrol. So Levy bluffed his azz off and our guys bit - BIG TIME!.
The discussion wasnt about the arb award, but levysd agreement not to give police jobs to outside agencies, Are you saying that off now?

[Unregisteredstfu]

THE CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED BY THE ARBITRATOR, can all of you see that? Do all of you understand that?? You all are just yapping with NO valid info.

And? whats wrong with some gossip?

[upostreply]

THE CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED BY THE ARBITRATOR, can all of you see that? Do all of you understand that?? You all are just yapping with NO valid info.
We all know that, skippy
This is the agreement we have been working on in lieu of our 10 days or lag.

[Unregisteredschlub]

why no can do? its public record

so what do you need us for?

[Unregistered12345678]

So what did we GAIN in this deal? Nothing. Thirteen months ago this would have been a shit sandwich (still is). We gained nothing. Warrants can still be axed, just not given to the deps. A six year deal? Thats like saying we got a twenty year deal, in 10 two year arbitrations. We gave up 12 million dollars (when levy was asking for 6) so that as of today nothing will change for 6 years (other than motorcycles back). Well news flash - where we are today SUCKS. And we won?????????

are that stupid????? or just acting that way

[Unregisteredteehee]

are that stupid????? or just acting that way

There are dedicated losers who have nothing else to do but pretend to be cops who are unhappy and try to make it sound like we didnt do well.
some are just losers who dont know what else to do with themselves, others are supposedly professional hacks who work for levy spinning the contract, as he did the day it was agreed upon in principle.
I dont know who is worse, i guess those who do it to fill their day