STREET COP ETHICS

[A Skidmore]

The police service in this country is more closely scrutinized and subject to more uninformed, biased criticism than any other occupational group, with the possible exception of presidential candidates. The average street cop is expected to conduct his or her personal and professional life with more integrity and decorum than most other citizens, however unrealistic and difficult that may seem at times. For you apprehensive police trainers, a few street-smart pointers to pass along to your soon-to-be rookie cops:

Tip #1:

If it's impossible to remain courteous, and sometimes it is, unfortunately--always remain civil.

[SCPD12]

If anyone touches you or if you have to handle someone they get locked up.
A good way to avoid misconduct complaints.

Disorderly conduct, Resisting and OGA are very useful tools for Police. All of which were put there in the Penal Law for your use by the State Legislature.

[A Skidmore]

In confrontational encounters, as much as possible, keep your mouth shut. When dealing with a citizen with an obvious antagonistic agenda, ignore verbal attempts to irritate you and don't be goaded into street-corner arguments. Cops saying the wrong thing at the wrong time account for the great majority of citizen complaints, whether justified or not.

[been there]

Anyone who intentionally injures a police officer gets an all expenses paid trip to the nearest hospital.:">

[ThreeTen]

Familiarize yourself with town codes and how to write them (what court, return dates..etc) they are a very useful tool in attitude adjustment. Know about the noise ordinances, open alcohol and urinating in public. Obscure laws like the Agriculture and Markets law are great also.

[Tip 4]

get a copy of looseleaf law's consolidated laws of NY. In it are a bunch of obscure but useful laws like the municipal law misdemeanor for a Security Guard (like the douche' bags in the County buildings) who wear badges other than "square badges" which is a GML misdemeanor. Know thy village and town codes, a very useful tool when all else fails. Littering, open alcohol and my favorite by far the Patchogue village ordinance "hootin' and hollerin". These BS village cts. are "courts of record" and as such fail to appear generates a warrant which is another attitude adjusting tool that the average dope doesn't consider when he gets a piece of pink and doesn't appear in Ct. The Environmental Conservation laws give the broadest search and seizure scope to LEOs and that extra edge needed when one needs a tool for the scroat who has a loaded rifle/shotgun in his motor vehicle. Knowledge is power.

[A Skidmore]

Your dazzling commentary on contemporary social issues and your enlightened cultural theories are totally irrelevant and immaterial while you are on-duty. Keep your personal opinions and biases strictly to yourself.

This tip only applies to officers who want to be viewed as professionals deserving of respect.

[been there]

Respect begets respect. Brutality begets brutality. And so it is in the jungle of life.

This tip only applies to officers who want to be viewed as professionals, yet don't feel the need to take physical abuse in the process.

[A Skidmore]

Understand what "face" means on the street, particularly in minority, disadvantaged neighborhoods. Never humiliate anyone in a totally devastating manner in front of their friends or family, no matter how obnoxious their behavior or attitude. Always leave room for some self-respect in any encounter, regardless of the circumstances.

[been there]

And....never lose face in front of a hostile crowd or neighborhood. Weakness is viewed as vulnerability. Vulnerability will get you and yours hurt. Be prepared to meet force with force, and make sure it is you who makes it home safely every night. Godspeed.

[county resident]

It looks like at least one contributor to this thread has some anger and paranoia issues that require immediate attention

[county residue]

by the li politics message forum.

[TBAW]

How much more of this are you going to promote? The LEO's are deserting this sight because it has become nonsensical. Let these fools argue with each other.

[birdie in the sky]

the civilians with the chips on there shoulders realize they can get their shots in without any chance of payback. here they can pretend to be our equals...unlike reality.

[A Skidmore]

Remaining calm and collected in the face of verbal abuse is one of the hallmarks of a professional police officer. If you can't stand being called bad names, you're in the wrong business.

[A Skidmore]

Don't be provoked into a unnecessary use of force incident. Meet force with force and don't get hurt, but don't go over the line and engage in an obviously brutal response. When the resistance stops, the force should stop. Beating a drunk into the sidewalk because he insulted your mother is police brutality, plain and simple.

[askidmore]

The Golden Rule applies, always! Treat the citizen in the same manner as you would like to be treated, given the circumstances. Likewise, don't give short shrift to the dirt-ball, street people; sometimes even the weirdoes and the crazies have interesting stuff to tell the police.

[A Skidmore]

Cultivate your "street face." This is the look of bored detachment and supremely confident nonchalance that veteran street cops affect when the rocks and bottles start flying. Even the juvenile "gangstas" emulate the look and swagger of these seasoned street cops and patrol commanders.

[A Skidmore]

A few words about police corruption (Yes, there is such a thing in this day and age), mainly bribery. These may have been playful little larcenies to the old-timers, but times have changed radically. And how would you like to spend a couple of years in a very small room for taking what amounts to "chump change" to overlook a violation of the law you were sworn to uphold?

[SCPD alumni]

To the last "A Skidmore"- you're just trying to incite people with nonsense posting like that. You can't back up that statement with fact or proof because it's not true. Nobody is going to risk a six figure job by taking crumbs to not write a summons, so take your skidmark stained undies and ask mommy to clean you up.

[Michael Cardigan]

Quote:To the last "A Skidmore"- you're just trying to incite people with nonsense posting like that. You can't back up that statement with fact or proof because it's not true. Nobody is going to risk a six figure job by taking crumbs to not write a summons, so take your skidmark stained undies and ask mommy to clean you up.When citizens, community organizations or activists make statements questioning the professionalism of The Suffolk County Police Department, they point to officers like you.

[is that you]

county resident? you still lurking here?

[A Skidmore]

If someone insists on "doing something" for you, ask them to write a commendatory letter to your Commanding Officer. A personnel file bulging with laudatory and complimentary letters can be very helpful at certain critical points in your career.

Bribery can include money, gifts, or favors. "Kickbacks" for illegal services are probably the most prevalent form of contemporary police corruption. Citizens are legion who will offer money to police officers to make traffic violations "disappear," including those business people who think nothing of offering money or gifts to cops for extra service or favorable considerations.

A gratuity to all intents and purposes is a bribe. Taking $50 from a gambler to overlook a late night card game equates to accepting a six-pack from a liquor store proprietor to close him up on Friday night. The only difference is in degree.

[SCPD alumni]

You are implying that Suffolk cops take bribes. That is a serious and slanderous allegation, and one that you should be prepared to prove with statistics and facts. I'm telling you flat out that you're slinging BS on this thread. Now you go ahead and prove what you're alleging. Because if you can't, then you've got NO credibility at all. I'd really love to get you on a witness stand someday, you'd fall apart like a 3rd Pct. Entenmanns crumb cake . So bring on the proof tough guy. Tell us how many Suffolk cops were fired or disciplined for taking a bribe. I'm waiting.

Cardigan--Don't presume I wasn't a professional. I had a very successful career and thoroughly enjoyed working with such an honest, proud and likewise professional group of men and women, and that is the reason I will defend them to the end. That is the reason I see red when someone like you and Skidmore question the integrity of people they never met or worked with. Some people just need to get under your skin. It makes them feel like they have a little power. Just like the skells I used to deal with on the street. But at least they had the balls to talk to your face and not hide behind a keyboard.

[Chicken Hawk]

i always thouhgt skells was w/ 1 l? ignore these wannabes they just looking to vent their pubic frustrations

[ThreeTen]

In 15 years I have been offered a bribe only 1 time and locked him up. I have never, ever seen another LEO take money to look the other way.

[amber]

Well, how about a free cup of coffee or half-price for a meal, what's the harm in that?

[give it up]

thats a loaded question

[TinyTim]

In responding to A. Skidmore, a poster who made ABSOLUTELY NO DISPARAGING REMARKS about any police officers or police departments, SCPD Alumni wrote:

To the last "A Skidmore"….take your skidmark stained undies and ask mommy to clean you up.

Then, on 7/24/04 @ 11:04, SCPD Alumni went on to write:

Cardigan--Don't presume I wasn't a professional. I had a very successful career and thoroughly enjoyed working with such an honest, proud and likewise professional group of men and women

Let me ask you Mr. SCPD Alumni. Do you believe you acted in a professional or mature manner when you suggested poster “A Skidmore” should take his/her skidmark stained undies and ask his/her mommy to clean him/her up?

Quite honestly Mr. SCPD Alumni, I am extremely happy, if not elated to learn that you are no longer imparting your style of professionalism on the good and bad people residing in Suffolk County, New York.

[TinyTim]

SCPD Alumni wrote:

You are implying that Suffolk cops take bribes. That is a serious and slanderous allegation,

Mr. SCPD Alumni, I am getting up in your face, pointing my index finger at you, and CHALLENGING you to show where the poster known as A. Skidmore made ANY comments (implied or direct) about the SCPD.

[A Skidmore]

Amber - Well, how about a free cup of coffee or half-price for a meal, what's the harm in that?
_____

Nothing really, Amber. Just ask yourself why the guy is offering the officer freebies. Could it be that he wants the officer to give his place more attention than he gives the other businesses on his post? Think about it - is he entitled to extra-special attention for the price of a burger and coffee?

One of the occupational attributes of the veteran street cop is not accepting things at face value. Always ask yourself what people have in mind when they offer you something for nothing. There is almost always an ulterior motive or hidden agenda.

"Nobody ever gave a cop something for nothing."
O. W. Wilson

[SCPD alumni]

A Skidmore: Quote:A few words about police corruption (Yes, there is such a thing in this day and age), mainly bribery. These may have been playful little larcenies to the old-timers, but times have changed radically. Italics are mine.

If this isn't an indictment of cops present and past, I don't know what is.

Who is this Skidmore unmasked? Michael Moore?

[gotcha]

is freakin county resident, again.is this all u do?get a life loser. find a hobby other than waiting to get your shots in, you've been thoroughly roughed up on any real issue, to the point the whole thread just becomes a joke, kind of like you

[dispatch]

10-60. no further units needed. trust me. void it to all the other unfounded, meritless dead ends.
let the civilians have it, without our input, they have nothing to try to pick apart.

[A Skidmore]

Read this scenario carefully and make a mental assessment indicating whether you think the situation is Ethical, Not Ethical, or Questionable. Don't assume or otherwise "read" anything into the scenario that isn't plainly stated.

By the way, there is no answer sheet. If you don't have an instinctive "feel" for an ethically-appropriate response, you really should review the scenario with a colleague or supervisor whose judgement you trust.

ETHICS QUESTION #1:

A liquor store owner on your post asks you to escort him to the bank two blocks away after he closes so that he can make a night deposit. It's 11 PM and it's a high-crime area.

[SCPD alumni]

This isn't school where we (LEO'S) answer your loaded "ethics" questions to give you something to pounce on. You really need to get a life.

[county resident]

Quote:county resident? you still lurking here? Yeah, I still come by now and then. I can't help but notice you've taken chattipatti's place.

[we the pehole]

ah.... you very tricky, as far as chattipatti, you got the same amount of respect in the leo community. i like the strategy, if i keep changing my name sometimes someone will acknowledge my posts, i'll get attention

[SCPD12]

I have to say, in reading this board, I have come to a see that A Skidmore is not a cop. He may be A Boss, in a light command, but not a Cop. I can just feel it.
I have two conclusions I'm sorry I added anything, ( it seemed like a good thread idea at the time) and the most important thing is OUR SAFETY. Sorry if it means we are rude, loud or violent, but the most important thing is we go home. Complaints don't matter, Bosses like Skidmore don't matter, all that does is we take care of each other. And Skidmore is not out for you boys and girls.
Oh and God Bless Edwin Hernandez's commitment to the job. God Bless his family! Sorry for their loss!

[A Skidmore]

An automobile repossession man stops you on the street and offers you $25 if you can locate a certain car for him. He gives you his business card and tells you that all you have to do is find the car and call in the location, the same as his civilian "spotters." No other involvement on your part is required.

[SCPD alumni]

We're not children here, and you're a nobody. Take your assinine questions elsewhere. SEE-YA!

[county residue]

gee i'd have to work 30 minutes to get that its worth risking my job for that much

[SCPD12]

In review, I must now concede that A Skidmore is not a Cop and is not a Boss. May be he read police Administration by Wilson, in his Intro To Criminal Justice class, but any Boss(who studied even a little) would know that beer is not sold in a Liquor store and any Bounty (for profit) law work is not allowed, even a little (like a half hours pay).
I would have to assume that you are a Wannabe Cop,get a life. Go do something productive, somewhere else.

[A Skidmore]

A tow truck company proprietor approaches you and requests that you notify him telephonically of any accidents, or disabled or abandoned autos that require towing. For your cooperation, he indicates he will "make it worth your while."

[county residue]

you find a wallet, it has play id for tommy dimples, 3/03/99. inside there is .75 cents

A. you pocket the money alls fair, finders keepers

B. call out k-9 block the area off, keep the scent fresh

C. invoice the property no doubt proceeds from a crime

D. drop it wipe your fingerprints off, probably some $#%^& integrity test

[preglock]

dont know where you get your "information" skidmarks in suffolk when we are dispatched for a accident/ d/m we hire off the county list, we dont hire actually, we say something like one hook, or 1 tow. then someone else, somewhere else,looks at the list and calls the tow.we cant just pick anyone out of the air, you have to be on the list to be called by us.
maybe i should keep my mouth shut, sounds like you are clueless, you found a old crim. justice book somewhere, outdated and useless. you dont know what you re talking about, by me explaining this puke to you now you have some knowledge about how police handle d/m, accidents.
i have to agree you are not in any way involved in any law enforcement job.

[county residue]

someone asks you a useless stupid question about ethics. you;
a. answer this is similiar to the academy and that was the best time of your career
b. answer even though back when you went through the academy you were too busy learning stuff about the law to have "ethics and sensitivity training day"
c. make fun of the thread
d. ignore this thread
e. attempt in engaging in a legitimate correspondence with the uninformed civilian. after all they are the reason we have a job. and if we did any less we would discourage them from posting here, a safe place for them to engage us in debate over how we should serve them. we are pubic.. i mean public servants and they do pay our salaries, or at least contribute a very small % of our daily wages

[po 5500 plus]

yes ethics and sensitivity was great , really helps me understand why the bad guy stole money from his kids piggy bank to go buy some rock. then when the baby's mom, not married of course confronts him, he whups her, seeing how i as a fairly normal joe could not even fathom buying+smoking or injecting or snorting rock, stealing from my own child then whupping up my woman, that 3 or 4 hours really helped.shame there is no one to teach non-cops how to behave, oh wait then i probably would not have a job

[he he]

skidmore: OOH OOH! TEACHER, TEACHER WHAT IF......
Johnnie: Hey Skidmore, shup your yap the bell rang
skidmore: But I have to know....how about if someone...
Johnnie: SHUT UP asswipe, it's time to go home!
skidmore: But just suppose for a minute that......
Johnnie: I'll see you outside after class numnuts!
skidmore: TEACHER, TEACHER...Johnny threatened me!
Teacher: Well Skidmore, I think you kind of brought this
on yourself. Run along now, I think you do have
a little growing up to do.
skidmore: WAAAAAAAA

[The cop mentality]

I'm educated and use my brain on wall street and I can't help laugh at these postings. This guy skidmore tries to open some real dialogue and all that you blue streakers get out of it is typical bozo the clown defensiveness and schoolyard comments. You might not think you're equal to county resident and you are right. You are inferior and on a power trip - county resident might hide behind a keyboard - but you are hiding behind a badge and a gun. I thank god all the cops in my family are bosses now. They got their fast because of guys like Skidmore and they'll retire wealthy and safe, without having to prove themselves by pummeling a drunkard. Been there - go there. You are the one that needs to be locked up and I hope when the time comes, and it will, the kind of cop my family members were, will be around to cuff you and do the job I pay them to do.

[ncpdguy]

Quote: In review, I must now concede that A Skidmore is not a Cop and is not a Boss.

Technically, he's both. A. Skidmore was the first Police Commissioner of the Nassau Couty Police Dept, from the mid 20's to the late 40's. He was also a retired NYPD Lt. And, he left in as scandal involving corruption among his subordinates....

[mr wall street]

thanks for your tips. seeing how you are a big shot wink, wink on wall street,. it is nice to hear from a upstanding, honest guy. any enron execs want to chime in next? the mere fact you have to put that " i' m successful" clause in your little post shows where you are coming from. kind of like "i'm not just a blue collar worker, i'm better, so therefore my comments count more".
and of course your family is all bosses too wink,wink. this guy sounds like a typical afternoon delight. you know the guy who wrecks his car, wipes out a busload of kids or something, blows a .2 or better, then wants a break because hes not a criminal hes someone important, and hes got family otj.
if you were educated in criminal justice you would understand these are the same silly questions we had back in both college, and the academy. this isnt dialogue just silly questions all of us answered,most of them dont even fit, as preglock points out, the county is paid, not us, to operate a tow list.
as far as thinking i'm better or worse, inferior .or superior, i dont, i leave that to the insecure people who have to put a disclaimer in what qualifies them to post, and why their opinion counts more, than the illegal day laborer, it doesnt.

[yawn]

good point wall street, who is on a power trip?, someone that starts his post "im educated and use my brain on wall street", and.. this isnt the dating service you use, nobody really cares.
as far as hiding we dont, we are out there in plain sight,you have a problem go up to any one of us and explain it.
as far as pummeling a drunk, is that why you're posting you got froggy on your last dwi and caught a beat down? we have pummeled other types than drunks, wall street guys,doctors, lawyers, illegals,
gangbangers,moms,dads, you name it. thats our job, you step up to us looking for trouble, you will get it. we dont go looking for it, we dont have to, it finds us.
this board has been turned to crap, sadly. its 2-3 losers posting under 30+ different names, chasing all the cops to the other site. the one civilians dont know about

[PJ]

i'm shocked to come to this site and read all the disparaging remarks about our cops. i live in a nice neighborhood, where our local cops do there job, both professionally and also respectfully. we've never had a problem with our cops. yes i've been ticketed, yes they've been to our house when my son did things he should not have when he was a teenager. but they were doing their jobs. i would guess most people bashing the cops come from areas that arent that nice, and need someone to blame,no one wants to look at each other and say its our fault, blame the cops, they're the ones making all this money, its their fault.frankly i think they are fairly compensated for their job. of course i do make a bit more then them, for now anyway.
maybe thats the problem, the money. i know several of my employees past and present have taken suffolk's test. some are resentful of the salary, the last time someone damaged my business, the cop taking the report was explaining his finances to one of my guys who took the test. hes got 18 years on, started at 22 going to retire at 58 with 35 years on. he will get 3/4 of his best year which he estimates to be over 100,000. thats a nice pension, plus he is going to cash in his sick/ vacation time accrued, at whatever his pay scale is in 17 years. he saved like 20 days a year for the past 18, plus whatever he will save. my guy loved it was spending the whole day on the computer calculator,figuring out how much he was getting. when he didnt make it he became very resentful of the cops.
anyway i am glad to have been able to expres my thoughts here, maybe being a good cop is like being a good parent, if your children/ citizens like you, you're either not doing a good job, or they, the civilians/children are.

[been there]

Well well Mr. Wall street, its good to hear how important you think you are. Trust me, in the scheme of life and society you are an absolute zero. While you're out on Wall Street playing with money on paper, wheeling and dealing and making your humdrum 9-5 commute every day, or sleeping safely in bed at night, the true heroes in this world like police officers and firemen are putting their lives on the line to protect you and your family from those who would hurt you if given half a chance. So, I find it very sad indeed that you feel the need to puff your chest out like you're an important person because you work on Wall Street, a place that would close its doors tomorrow were it not for the cops who protect you while you work. Take a look around you at work, and you'll see hundreds more just like yourself who spin their wheels day after day, year after year, never accomplishing a damn thing other than making a few bucks. How boring and unfulfilling that must be. I'm sure that is part of the reason you come here under so many aliases to bash and accuse those who do what you're so infinitely incapable of.

Perhaps it is your stark realization that these brave men and women are contributing far more to our society than you ever can or will that is disturbing to you. Perhaps it is because Suffolk cops make more money than most Wall Street suits that disturbs you. Perhaps it is because members of your family in the PD make you feel inferior or insignificant in your walk of life that causes you so much inner turmoil. Whatever the case, the root cause of your need to belittle and demean police officers lies in your deep rooted jealousy and inferiority complex.

Do yourself a favor and read up on how to attain a little self-esteem in life, because whether or not you realize it, you really are a pathetic little nobody. Have a nice life.

[A Skidmore]

You obtain several motor vehicle registration listings from your agency's criminal justice information system computer terminal at the request of your brother-in-law who operates a bill collection service.

[been there]

What part of "you're irrelevant" don't you get? Do you think anyone is going to play your BS game of "ethics" with you? I'll tell you what's unethical--It's You asking these dumbass questions while one of Suffolks finest is being buried. Now run along little man, I hear your wife calling you to finish the laundry and get dinner going.

[1 psycho to another]

Ethics?? How dare you talk about ETHICS. HUH....kinda goes hand in hand with CHURCH.

[alot of skidmarks]

oh my god would you believe someone just asked me to do that yesterday? i got 15.00 canadian, is that a good amount?, gee do you think i was set up? he insisted on video taping the entire incident, asked me to hold up my police badge and id, im out of the last class, maybe i should have waited until i was off probation?

[hey skidmarks]

to roger rabbit you was framed bro

[A Skidmore]

An attorney friend of yours requests that you notify him of any motor vehicle accidents in your sector that may be civilly actionable. All he needs is a copy of the accident report and he will take it from there-you will not be involved.

[scary thing]

who do you root for, the crooks or the jerks, well at least we know the crooks are all crooks, and frankly the stcok market sucks right now anyway, all of them are out for themselves self centered, pompous, arrogant primadonnas. there are some decent cops and most will actually help you, even the jerks, if you can stand listening to them.
i guess bottom line if i got into a accident, the beemer boy would be too self important to even call 911, you know cell phone charges and all, a cop on or off duty would probably stop

[mike rotundo]

thats the problem, do you know people who think they are important because they have a decent/respectful job give us more resistance than most street lowlifes? somehow people got the idea that because they work and have some position of power in some other area of life, they are above the law. no 1, not even cops, judges, d.a.s, politicians are above the law. but when you stop say a nursing supervisor,(my last dwi) they feel they have a right to argue.
frankly, look at mr wall street's post, "im 5'9', 170, run, do yoga, i'm a lacto-ovo vegeterian , iq 121, 4 years at yale, hair grafts by the bosely hair restoration group", right away what is he saying? i am better than you therefore i can judge you.

[sam mcwilliam]

the real problem. the real problem is now most l.e. jobs pay is way out of hand. you guys make more than most exec. jobs plus the pension/ benefits, throw in the fact, you'll never get a dwi, ticket, its out of hand. yes ther is crime everywhere, yes you are somewhat at risk of getting hurt, but thats what you signed up for. the adrenalin rush
now the guys in the area that are cops are moving out to manorville to 500,000 homes, between me and my wife we work 4 jobs just to keep what we have

[SCPD alumni]

Sorry to hear you need to work 4 jobs to make ends meet. So did my wife and I when I became a cop 35 or so years ago. We did that for the many years when I was severely underpaid for the job I did and the hours I worked. I got used to it. It's only recently, within the past 10 years or so that cops are finally making a living wage, yet people like you are still jealous and resentful. We're used to it. You're willing to pay school teachers $100K for 9 months of work, yet you feel someone who works around the clock and is exposed to all sorts of danger and a severely shortened lifespan due to stress should make half of that. We're used to the attitude. If you don't like cops, that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion. We're used to it. However, I don't think our salary really has much to do with your dislike and envy of cops.

The job: You're right, the danger comes with the job, and we accepted that when we signed on. What we have a hard time accepting is people like you who don't appreciate the job we do or the sacrifices we and our families make for you.

Oh, by the way, we all know of brother officers who have taken a DWI hit or a summons. In fact, you've undoubtedly seen it in the newspapers, so that's just a crock of BS.

You sound like another in a long line of disgruntled traffic offenders who can't wait to shoot their mouth off at cops in general. But despair not, we're used to that too.

[Not Wall Street]

just wanted to rile up this thread and get it going and it seems the thing really took off - gave ya'll something to really rave about anyway and brought it in another direction.

[mr wall street]

that was obvious, probably didnt graduate high school yet

[county resident]

Quote:SCPD Alumni wrote:

You sound like another in a long line of disgruntled traffic offenders who can't wait to shoot their mouth off at cops in general. But despair not, we're used to that too.
I can't believe you didn't realize mcwilliam's is the little dweeb running around the boards and filling threads with his wannabe juvenile banter.

Shame on you!

His effluent posting stlye is quite unique. I think I may start referring to him as the 3:1 Stalker. If you notice, he consistently replies to normal people's post on a three to one ratio.

The other day I wrote a 37 word post. The 3:1 Stalker replied to my post by writing over 550 words spread over three posts, using three different nics. This guy is a analysts dream come true. The best laugh is that he expects others to believe his obssessive compulsive behavior is a character trait that merits respect.

____________
ef·flu·ent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fl-nt)

n.
Something that flows out or forth, especially:

An outflow from a sewer or sewage system.

[county resident]

Quote:The 3:1 Stalker wrote:

just wanted to rile up this thread and get it going

Obviously you don't know the difference between rile and alienate.

[county resident]

Mr. Skidmore, I am embarrassed by the poor attitude of anonymous posters who claim to be LEA. I hope they will not stop you from posting topical material on the police message board.

Thanks!

[look outside]

sounds like most of you have way to much time, post ratios, counting words. go out and do something get away from the radiation

[a taste of your own meds.]

just keeping up the 3-1 ratio

[heres pst 2]

happy now loser?

[A Skidmore]

You make it a practice to stop in the hospital ER located on your post on weekend nights for the purpose of peeking at the medical history sheets for the names, addresses, and DOB's of patients being treated, and then calling in wanted checks to your agency's Records Unit to ascertain any outstanding warrants. If you get a "hit" on an ambulatory person, you wait outside the ER, and when they leave, you arrest them.

[Not quite]

ever hear of patient confidentiality? we need a court order numnuts

[BluemanGroup]

A Skidmore=A-Hole
Don't patronize this jerk with any responses

[728 to hq]

we've been overrun by the know-all civilians all sworn members have left, dont bother coming back, this forum is destroyed.
check back in 2 weeks and you'll see the same trash,a skidmore, chattipatti,nyjag,county resident,the same drivel.
find something else to do with yourself, something with less agida like bikini waxes. we should start our own board, only requirement, a-# or pid #. no perps i mean civilians allowed.

[county residue]

should have let me psot in there somewhere this way i could claim 2 other posts and be... drum roll pleeze....the 3-1 stalker.
p.s.where is chatti patti? of all the chronics i miss her

[hey skidmore]

but they dont work. not applicable
ethics ? #1 rumor is already happens. county dispatches units for bank runs for "special businesses"
#2 25$ is just dinner money, thats if i'm charged not worth the effort
#3 believe already answered county runs tow service list, only authorized tows can come from this list we cannot dispatch, the list goes in order we have no say.
#4 any business can get a hook-up to dmv, just got to pay small fee, like 200.00 a year, you can run all the data you want
#5 im a cop i hate attorneys more than convicts, same guy will be ripping me apart on the stand in a year, in regards to the same accident
#6 1st of all, ok we have computers now that we can run data without calling it in. why a hospital?why not just drive down the block go einy meeny miney and pick mo and run that plate?like 80% of the people in hospitals are old, another 10% are kids, maybe the detox ward, but as was posted, patient confidentiality. the hospital will say" we can neither confirm or deny the patient is here".
2nd warrants are like another page of work, i'll stick to the shoplifter in custody calls, civilian arrest, they do the paperwork, i issue a summons and another stat
you are printing material from like 1970 dude, if you want us to think, find something more up to date, hit our weak spots, booze and broads

[A Skidmore]

When interrogating a juvenile burglary suspect, you strongly insinuate that unless he identifies his accomplices, you will take steps to have his mother removed from the social agency's welfare rolls.

[sorry skids]

we dont talk to juvies without a parent present, actually the detectives will question them not us, we do not interrogate we ask questions.please come back tomorrow with some more useless prehistoric crap, where you getting this mod-squad?

[sam mcwilliams]

thats the problem youguys have more excuses than bill clinton. answer the question nobody cares if it will happen, these questions are to make you think. thats the problem with cops today, nothing is their fault.
when my car got broken into, where were the cops? probably sitting at the firehouse watching the playboy channel.
one night coming home from work i saw the car at the firehouse, the next morning it had not moved. i called the local station and asked why, they told me it was a manpower thing. i went to the same firehouse later and asked the slob driving the car, he told me that the overnight cop called in sick, so the county refused to hire anyone on overtime. so we suffer?
deny that cop the day make him come in. let me guess its probably against the contract, right? thats the excuse for everything

[i got it]

check out; questions of ethics and integrity in modern law enforcement last print 1984, original print 1969, you will see those and other nail-biters in that best seller. please keep posting skidmore, you are giving us a good laugh.
hey sam, another excuse for you,when your car "got broken into" the cop wasnt there or else it would not have happened, derrrrrr. let me guess, you want us to sit at your house all day and night? it will just happen the next block over

[krakhouse bob]

i don't need no stinking cops parked out front of my crib. youse just be movin along. i got a businezz to run and i dont need no crumb krusted pigs crimpin my pimpin style. go find a doughnut shoppe to relieve the dtress of the daily grind of fightin crime.

[Jakes Dad]

For some strange reason this guy Sam sounds just like some jack ass captain in the BSFD. Bitchin' and moanin' that his car got broken into last year and how kids were walking down his block. There was also a complaint made, anonymously of course, about cops watching the playboy channel. Could this all be coincidence?

[honesty]

>>There was also a complaint made, anonymously of
>>course, about cops watching the playboy channel.

Do police officers have a problem with civi;ians who tell the truth?

[county residue]

since when? they are all corrupt,lazy only time they call you is when it can benefit themselves. people think we owe them something
oh yeah jakes dad dont you know sam is the same guy as the loser who pretended to be on wall street, who is the same guy as the 3 guys bashing county resident/ mike cardigan /all the other names. sam cant be based on a real loser, i mean person county resident/ eagle spent lots of time finding correlations between my posts and every other post, has forensic, dna, handwriting analysis to prove i'm the same guy the ...3-1 stalker, if what your saying is true that sam is either a person or based on a person who is familiar w/ sam then ... county resident/ thepeople is wrong? never he is just so spiffy

[county residue]

pst 2 of 3

[county residue]

3 of 3

[honesty]

no i think the point is officers have problems with anon complaints. for starters, they go nowhere. if you are going to lodge a complaint, then put your name to it, otherwise its a dead end.
i think the problem is that whoever complained out of that firehouse is the same guy saying hi to them at calls, expecting to be treated better because of the professional relationship, expect all professional courtesy granted on a car stop, but didnt have the nuts to sign off on the issue.
no scpd has ever been fired because of a civilian complaint, they've been fired because of something they did wrong. big difference. anyone can complain, if we did our job, who cares?, not me, not my boss, not iab. its just more paperwork we fill out, either way we still make the same salary.

[Friend]

Quote:no scpd has ever been fired because of a civilian complaint, they've been fired because of something they did wrong.

[huh]

what? cant figure it out so you repost it?????
what's your point, are you affirmiing that statement, or debating it?
the point is if there is a complaint and it turns out to be valid, and criminal, the officer involved may lose his job. if the complaint is the ho-hum i dont like how he looked at me puke, its over before it started.

[A Skidmore]

You are newly assigned to a post and one of the veteran sector officers tells you: "Sandwiches at the deli are free, uniform cleaning at the laundry is half-price, and the convenience store guy provides free sodas and cigarettes whenever you stop-in.

[ethics101]

is there a point to ANY of this coming?

[Blueman Group]

A Skidmore=A-Hole. Ignore him.

[askidmore]

what post is that? can i have it?, i dont smoke butt i could sell them to the civilian lowlifes,
ps. make them make the sandwiches in front of you, less risk of lugeys, special sauce if u watch.

[not applicable]

wipemarks, do yourself a favor pick up a pba monthly, there are over 40 adds offering us freebies, halfisies, and discounts; banks, sports, insurance, restaurants, cell phones, autos, boats, real estates,caterers, landscapers, contractors doctors,drycleaners, you name it im sure nassau, nypd and every other job out there gets the same bargains.
lets face it, businesses want us as customers, can u blame them?

[county residue]

just figured i'd get the 3rd post 3-1 stalker. its funny when you broke this startling revelation, you referred to the other posters as normal, well, mike cardigan, certainly you are not referring to yourself. you've posted under how many names on how many topics? basically any post that bashes cops,and cuts+pastes is you. there are 20 names with 5 + posts per. yes my good boy you are normal, everyone else is nuts. yes i do post here fairly often, but again im getting 50. plus a hour,i never touch this site on my own time. you are doing this
because this is how you enjoy spending your own time.
as far as the juvenilety of my posts im just trying to keep up with the level of the topic.

[pc richards mgt]

yes its a fact most businesses offer discounts to cops. they generally are better behaved than average customers and tend to have more disposable income, its good business to have law enforcement shopping on or off duty, in your store.
we also offer discounts to medical professionals for the same reason

[43]

is that what the whole thing with the 43s came about? several inspections it was brought up, supposedly we were supposed to find a new 35 for our 18, but recently it seemed to be dropped. im referring to the answer to sam mcchip on his shoulder

[BadBoyBlue]

Quote:i think the problem is that whoever complained out of that firehouse is the same guy saying hi to them at calls, expecting to be treated better because of the professional relationship, expect all professional courtesy granted on a car stop,

[hello hello hello]

is there an echo in here? or you just like repeating things?

[pehole]

i think its civilian posters, they've been bashed enough not to post anymore, they are scared. of course now that i said that expect some jealous nitwit to start the tirade again, you guys suck, overpaid, lazy,ugly, you name it, we've heard it here. again and again and again.

[mark the date]

without any pearls of wisdom from a. hashmarks, i'm not sure about county resident some posts have his markings(like a dog lifting his leg), but no snide, smug self important remarks

[A Skidmore]

At the request of a local landlord, you knock on the door of an apartment and inform the tenant that he and his family will be evicted next week unless he pays his back rent.

[revised question 9]

the tenant, knowing their rights file a civilian complaint and press charges for illegal eviction, now you out of a job, start posting this crap

[Chicken Hawk]

good work, why dont you just say hey all loser civilians please post here, i miss your insightful posts.
you practically challenged them to post, expect the resident soon

[police issues bored not b]

The owner of a private ambulance company on your post who has been very helpful to you in the past, asks you to complete an accident report on a property damage accident involving one of his vehicles that occurred in another jurisdiction two days ago, which he needs for insurance purposes. He tells you that "it was just a fender-bender," and that his driver can give you all the details you need for the report.

[stop]

you suck, no boss is going to sign it, like you said skids it occurred out of jurisdiction, we have no power will you please give it up,

[lameness 101]

if the accident occurred inside your jurisdiction, you could do a non-accident report, again a accident must be reported within 24 hours,otherwise, sargeant would not sign off on it. put the facts down as given to you by driver and state info provided by driver 1, or 2.
frankly most of these ethics questions have nothing to do with street cops, this is classroom garbage, most of these situations every dept. has policies taking these choices out of the street cops hands, sounds like whomever is providing this test needs to get updated text. perhaps you could join the explorers club and go for a ride-along with street cops getting a 1st hand view of what ethical questions they face in reality.

[stop part 2]

hes probably too old to be explorer, just a frustrated wannabe, what he wants to be, i dont know.
this just makes him feel really smart and needed quoting some simple simon drool. i guess we're supposed to go to inspection and debate these sizzling topics with other officers.

[A Skidmore]

you are approached by one of the local county residents. tells you he needs a little help with some ideas. states he is running the hottest thread on the local police issues board. just needs some new real life "ethical situations" that modern cops face. offers a nightly foot rub as payment

[preglock]

thats the side-job i have currently. hmmm, think i'm on my way out?

[8toGO]

This skidmore guy I think is an EDP waiting to explode and looking for attention, he is probably that serial killer that has been dumping bodies out in Manorville- LOL. Or it's one of Steve Levy's aides Ha-Ha.

[No doubt]

Serial killer? All I’ve seen is Mr. Skidmore writing about the integrity and ethical standards we expect from our cops.

The enigmatic responses to Mr. Skidmore’s postings, from posters who claim to be police officers, are what have me concerned. From what I’ve read, it appears some of our police officers exhibit the same level of maturity most of us would expect to see exhibited by a mentally handicapped pre-adolescent child.

This is very sad.

[county residue]

yes this is a very sad thread.seemingly the only "2" civilian posters are the ethics guy, who everyone ridicules, and you the guy who defends him, odd he never defends himself, hmmm.
apparently the answers arent to your liking. thats because the questions arent to ours. these are extremely adolescent ethical checks. no street cop ever encounters them. the dept. has taken these choices out of our hands. if these were the "dilemmas" we faced out there it would be so easy for us. the problems we have are so far different. but thats as far as i go. no ammo for you.stay stuck in your 1950s line of questions, its funny, we get a good chuckle at your expense, as always

[A Skidmore]

The power of the police to fulfill their functions is dependent upon securing and maintaining community respect and approval, which includes obtaining the community's willingness to cooperate in the task of ensuring safety. The extent to which the community will cooperate with a police department is dependent upon its respect for, and confidence in, the police. The extent to which the community's respect and trust can be secured is diminished when a member of the department acts in an unprofessional, improper, dishonest, or unlawful manner.

In any effort to strengthen the citizen-police officer relationship, the personal conduct and attitude of the police officer is of paramount importance. Each member of the service must understand that the basis of the police service is a desire and a willingness to serve the community. In order to earn the respect and trust of the community, all sworn and civilian employees of the police department must subscribe to the following:

Members shall regard their office as a public trust and, in the discharge of their duties, be constantly mindful of their primary obligation to serve the community honestly, efficiently, and effectively.

[Blueman Group]

That was an eye opener. YAWN.

[pprc]

whatever as long as your stopping with this tirade

[road closure]

remember, no matter how much you make, how much taxes you pay, how many cops you know, when a law enforcement officer tells you to do something, you must. doesnt matter if he's wrong or right. he can hold you against your will, use whatever force he deems needed,search you for his safety and yours, take you whereever he needs to, and even arrest you.
all of these things can happen anywhere. at home work, or play. inside your own home, believe it or not the laws of the state, country apply equally there too. my advice to you is just do as told. dont ask too many questions, and dont get p'oed when things dont go your way. if you are innocent you will eventually be found so.

[perfect timing]

perfect timing to prove a point. mr wallace was given an order by a police officer.he refused to cooperate, given a second order refused, on the third refusal mr wallace was taken into custody.
i know hes old and famous, and the mayor thinks his cops shouldnt have arrested him, thanks for the support mikey, he should have gotten a break, he probably did. when you as a civilian are ordered to do something dont expect three chances to comply.

[scpd hopeful]

I dont see y anyone should disagree. If an officer has to take the time to explain his instructions every 2min. this is going to take away from his effectivness, if the road is closed and a driver asks for a suggestion on another route then fine, but blatantly disagreeing... it doesnt matter what u think at the moment, as long as ur rights are not being violated, what the officer says is what u have to do, just accept it

[Independence]

In March, the associate minister of my church and his wife were pulled over. They, at the time, were new to the area and had gotten lost at night. (I just they had been driving around an area looking for signs or an open Mcdonalds). The cop asked him, "What do you do for a living, sir" Minister said to him, I'm the associate pastor of _________ Church. Does that help my profile any?" (Whether the minister should have actually said that or not is open for opinion.) Anyway, when he said that, the cop just gave him this blank look and took an extra few seconds to get organized.

We've been talking about that. I don't understand why cops even ask you questions like that. I mean, we all know why they profile. Who in their mind is going to tell a cop there are unemployed or say anything that may cause themselves look bad? If I was a crook and a cop aught me walking in a neighborhood at night, when he asks me what I do for a living, I'm going to give any answer that would make me look bad. That profiling stuff is a joke -- not to mention a waste.

If there are any officers on this forum -- and I know a few are regs of this forum, would you explain why you guys would even bother asking questions like that? If a crook is umemployed, who is going to actually say that? Unless their a complete idiot.

[preglock]

easy one if you are drving around aimlessly you are either lost or prowling. you have raised suspicion in the p.o. that is not profiling, by the way, at night it is hard to see who or what you are. suppose you were pulled over because a concerned citizen saw your car pass several times while you wandered about aimlessly?
incidentally i've been pulled over with my wife cruising the christmas decorations.

[Independence]

I understand and I agree. I think you misunderstood me though. I used that as an example but I wasn't referring specifically to that. I was just saying if someone is walking around in an area looking suspicious or in an area they shouldn't be -- like on school property -- but they know the cop doesn't have anything specific on them -- other than general tresapassing -- (a case that, in all likelihood, they would be told move along or go home) --when they are asked what they do for a living --- who is going to say anything that's going to make themselves look bad? I mean, if a crook is walking about and looking suspicious but they know the cop doesn't really have anything solid -- are they going to tell the cop they are umeployed? Come on........be serious... Why bother asking? That was my point.

[Independence]

Okay -- a few typos in previous message but still understandable. lol.

[SCPD alumni]

The nature of the question is unimportant. The dialogue and conversation that transpires is. It is how good cops come to reasonable conclusions or reasonable suspicions as the case may be. A skilled police officer with good common sense and people skills can usually tell within the first minute of conversation whether or not the person(s) are being truthful or evasive when conducting an inquiry as to a persons conduct. This is a skill that most police officers acquire and hone with experience. Nothing sinister here, its just good old fashioned police work.

[Independence]

Very good. Thanks for the response. I guess there is always a shrewd daredevil who can outwit the process but for the most part, your insight is top-notch, SCPD. As we climb the staircase of life and get older, we all -- at least the lion's share of us -- learn the characteristics of human nature. Often times, we make judgements on circumstances and instincts. I just thought to myself, if, in my younger days, I was to go out roaming neighborhoods at night or get myself into trouble, I would at least have my story worked out ahead of time in case I was questioned. If I knew they were going to ask me what I did for a living I'd be prepared to give an answer that sounded believable and conduct myself in a way that made me seem level-headed and reasonable. If I was unemployed or worked at 711, I certainly wouldn't tell them THAT. Even so -- the majority of suspects probably aren't smart enough to do that and most of them deserve to be hauled away. Though procedural, I just think some questions may be a waste. However, I now have a better understanding of why its done.

[what a waste]

his profession. It's apparent he's an ebonics instructor.

[Independence]

Well, if I said I was a teacher -- it would have probably helped me in a situation like that. lol.

[Independence]

Independence is a she!!!! I rest my case on profiling. :-P

[ValleyStream764]

Actually she sounds more like an english professor but she raised good points. Its a legit discussion of issues. Indy the police ask things like that to see what the person says and how they react. You're right it is a waste of time with some suspects but that doesn't mean we should ask the questions. It sounds like profiling but it isn't. I don't know if you remember but what happened on the NJ Turnpike WAS profiling.

[suspicious ppl]

Good Question independence. As an experienced interviewer, I might ask that question as a basis for other questions. I may not be so concerned with what a person does for a living, but rather how they answer the question. I might be leading up to the big question that I really want the answer to. It is called behavioral analysis. Asking a simple question like "What do you do for a living" should give you an honest answer, based on that persons answer and body language, facial expressions and demeanor associated with it will help me differentiate later on when they are telling the truth and lying. Does that make sense, or too technical? I would much rather answer intellectual questions like this from the public from someone respectful than hear all the whiners comlaining they got a speeding ticket for doing 95 with a baby in the backseat and a beer in their hand.

[Independence]

Yep, SCPD. Thank you for explaining.

A motorist cruising along at 95 MPH with a beer in hand. You must patrol the L.I.E. (hehe) A veteran officer or inspector has encountered characters of all kinds, I'm sure.

[My opinion]

cops are always looking for a deal. in all probability your pastor friend looked like a legit business person and the cop who stopped him was looking to capitalize on the situation.

[Independence]

You mean a bribe? lol! Nahhhhhhh..I think its a standard question asked of everyone. SCPD will attest to that. Sure, there are some bad apples who extort a crack dealer or hooker for sex or for cut of the $ in exchange for looking the other way. Generally, though, that isn't why cops ask the questions they do. I do understand your point though, my opinion. It does happen from time to time. I have dealt with a few cops over the years who acted as if they've had a bug stuck up their rear end. Yet, still, most of the cops I've known over the years were very much like Officer Hernandez was. Decent, man of honor.

[My opinion]

its usually the county residents asking us for favors, breaks, help, etc.

[a day in patrol]

yes officer i know i am suspended but cant you..........
i didn nt know i had a warrant i swear i took care of that charge cant you.............
sir, i did nt know the plates were stolen, i just found them, i need to go to work for my babies mom cant you.........................
yeah i know i have an order of protection, but she really pissed me off how about i just go?
im on the list for suffolk if you write me those eight summons, you're going to screw me, cant you.........
listen i work at __ you guys can come in anytime please cant you......
do u know officer__ he is my_____, cant you.....
i pay your salary cant you.....

[OH MY GOD]

you must be pulling the same people over that i do. im at the point when someone walks over to me while i'm doing 10 paperwork, i almost cringe.
can you run my license see if its any good?
no go to dmv leave me alone or i'll lock you up
oops sorry just got caught up in the moment

[Highway 905]

I worked on the Big road back from 89-95. I shouldn't be but I'm still amazed that these morons still use the same old lame B.Sh*t excuses for Driving like idiots..
If they only knew that their driving habits, Mostly Bad, are the reason Suffolk County has one of the highest accident rates in the country would they act any different. I think NOT. Most are just simple minded, self centered jerks and don't care a hoot about anyone else.

[ChattiPatti]

Hey I walked over to a parked officer and told him there was a drunk on Union Blvd who stopped for a green light then drove thru it when it turned red. He was sooooooo annoyed. The officer that is.

I must meet all the psycho's cops. Because sorry but not wanting to go after a drunk driver is psycho especially when your supposed to.

Yea I know your all not psycho or bad. But a vast majority are.

[looking for a date]

He's in the vacinty drunk as a skunk all the time. I've lived her all my life. YOU THINK I DONT SE WHAT GOES ON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

But to answer your rediculous question. I was behind him for at least a mile. One doesn't a freakin degree, badge or gun to decifer whos drunk and who isnt.

Your a waste of human life yourself DIRTBAG.

[Enough]

vacinity vacinty
see SE
ridiculous rediculous
decipher decifer
enough said
come back with your eighth grade diploma u are driving me crazy with your illiteracy(i hope i spelted that right)
yes i know its spelled

[11923]

as far as any credible testimony on your part, prior knowledge of someones drinking habits, following a driver does not equal driunk driving.
u did not interview him, smell odor of alcohol, do any sobriety checks, u got nothing,leave the drunks to the pros, look for love elswhere.

[ChattiPatti]

I was a bartender for several years back in the 70's prior to becoming a homeowner (TY to the FI Lifeguards for making home ownership possible ) and parent. Do ya think that maybe I would know if one were drunk or not?

As far as meeting anyone HERE??? ARE YOU KIDDING? I couldn't been with a dozen LEO's. Maybe prior to the abuse I withstood. NEVER NOW.

Im here to VENT. Is that a crime?

[ChattiPatti]

"I couldn't been with a dozen LEO's. "

oops...I could've been with a dozen LEO's

What can I say, my typing sucks.

[11923]

either or does it matter, if and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry xmas. and u are a butt

[ChattiPatti]

Teehee very cute. Tt all comes out in the wash don't it?

Just ask Whitey boy

[Enough]

cant u just go away again

[ChattiPatti]

"cant u just go away again"

NOT WHEN WE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING 300G' s for criminal who don't deserve to wear a badge or carry a gun. THIS WILL NEVER GO AWAY. They should never have sent that sc@umbag to my home.

[pot calling the]

u did the crime, thats the way it goes, if a cop is a scumbag, what about a "mother"that beats her own flesh and blood, lower than low

[ChattiPatti]

Hmmmm guess you were there huh? There was no beating azzwipe. And if there were, it woudl be none of anyones business. Parents can't discipline thier own "flesh & blood" anymore, not to mention you wife beater pigs with multiple marriages. Stop milkin us pig.

[A Skidmore]

In any effort to strengthen the citizen-police officer relationship, the personal conduct and attitude of the police officer is of paramount importance. Each member of the force must understand that the basis of the police service is a desire and a willingness to serve the community. In order to earn the respect and trust of the community, all sworn and civilian employees of the police department must subscribe to the following:

Members shall administer the law in a just, impartial, and reasonable manner and shall not accord to some more reasonable treatment than to others. They shall recognize the limitations of their authority and at no time use the power of their office for their own personal advantage.

P.S. I would like to offer my apologies to the legitmate readers and posters who wanted to discuss police integrity, but decided not to get involved because of the children who mucked up this thread.

[tagteam]

patti the problem is your daughter signed off on an assault charge.
skids who you apologizing to? other than county resident,and sam mcwilliams, possible another alter ego or 2 of your own, no one cares. every textbook quote of your is a joke.
you and patti are like 2 diifferent cheeks on the same butt

[leave the training to us]

"the problem is your daughter signed off on an assault charge"

Guess you didn;t see the form that she wrote I DO NOT WANT MY MOTHER ARRESTED. It was later crossed out because she was coerced.

Get your story straght GOOMBA.

[thats original]

sure heard that before.

[ChattiPatti]

"we cover ethics and integrity in the academy, your real life encounters are so far remove from todays policing i'd be shocked if any current police officer hired after 1975 can remember any situation like those you've posted"

May God take my son if there is one lie in what happened to us with the 3rd pct & deputy sheriffs at Cohalan. In fact I would take a lie detector test today, WILL THEY?

Police personnel and/or family seem to think driving past my home real slow or showing up at the beach I frequent is a game. Instead of promising good policing start weeding out the thugs.

[paraniod]

yeah patti everyone is passing your house

[ChattiPatti]

Im documenting it all too You wish I were a crack ho, I'm cetain it would validate you as being above me. I feel soooooo sorry for drug addicts, etc. who are apprehended by you. I CAN IMAGINE WHAT YOU DO TO THEM WHILE THEY'RE IN YORU CUSTUDAY. You really need to focus on enforcing the law and stop fantacising about being a judge.

[let me help]

custody not custard thats like pudding

[ChattiPatti]

Typos. Maybe you missed your call in life and should ahve been an educator.

HAVE A GREAT DAY

[Nice]

not typos stoopidos

[stop it patti]

Quote:Guess you didn;t see the form that she wrote I DO NOT WANT MY MOTHER ARRESTED. It was later crossed out because she was coerced.

Patti, or whatever your real name is <Diane, maybe?>; stop going on and on on how every LEO is out to get you, and make the changes in your life necessary to prevent your daughter or any other family member <let alone any other person> to have to fill out a deposition about you and your behavior. Your probably in your late 40's, early 50's. Howsabout you act it? IF things went bad for awhile, BE AN ADULT, AND CHANGE THEM.....

[preglock]

this is actually more interesting than skidmarks crap, this girls is an edp priority 1

[Patti]

i heard in court that your daughter had a concussion, really wanted to press charges, accidentally wrote that she didnt meant to write that she did,so crossed it out.
also all those leo cars arent really cars they're little spaceships, apparently your home planet is out looking for you, so you better hide as much of that body as possible, lay off the warpaint too, all that makeup makes you look evil.
tagteam that was beautiful 2 cheeks from the same butt. i'm going to use that.
skidmarks; what are u what is your malfunction, go get a job, preferrably out of law enforcement, although hearing your posts it might be more fun having a guy like you in my precinct. just not too close

[ChattiPatti]

"stop going on and on on how every LEO is out to get you"

I never said EVERY LEO is out to get me. I know of a few who'd like to get in my panties tho
But we won;t go there....

"IF things went bad for awhile, BE AN ADULT, AND CHANGE THEM.....

How about this change: weed put the criminal cops who keep getting EXONERATED. They make ALL LOOK BAD.

Jeesh you dont know who to trust anymore.....

[ChattiPatti]

"so you better hide as much of that body as possible, lay off the warpaint too, all that makeup makes you look evil."

So you would know this how? I rarely wear makeup but I do wear a sexy swimsuit. aks your hubby, he's been hangin down at the beach for years now gawkin at anyone with booty and titties.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT BABY.

[ur panties]

in ur dreams u edp

[ask my hubby]

ok so i'm the 1st gay marriage, news to me, is he well endowed?

[ChattiPatti]

i had to kome up with something,, i look very stupid on the posts hear. maibee i should jived it upped. but i reelly hafe litlee else to do.
i gust waunt the pubic to noww that cops are bad, im jood. my 19 year old lernt dat the haedr whey

[ChattiPatti]

Oh c'mon, you freaks would do anything with a pulse.

[ChattiPatti]

in a nutshell, thats hoe i getss most my acktioon

[frequent flyer]

it seems to me that there are 2 or 3 cops just harassing the snot out of any non cop posting here, they ridicule and make any serious objection to any law enforcement look silly.
while the 1es posting seem like they have some issues, i dont think that anyone who objects to cops should be blasted until they get the idea and leave.
before i get jumped let me say whoever it si, you are funny, in a childish way, but also seem to know alot about being a cop, so go easy on me.
my point is we should be able to interact with you as equals at least here.

[ChattiPatti]

You guys in the 3rd and in the Cohalan Bldg. are the Biggest bunch of losers. I've been on the pipe for a while now so I'm not the total wide hog I was. While I'm goin' down on u, your wife's at home with the kiddies. She has no Idea where that funky spunk you got all over your balls is from. Wake up girls and see what your Hubby/Cops are doin'

[not what i heard]

you was beggin' fo' some luvinnnn. thats why they gave you a beatdown, u was making them sick to their stomachs

[tomcat]

Hey, patti, i am in front of your house now, but you can't see me because i am invisible! Want to date? What IS the price of tea in China? Does a bear @#%$ in the woods? Why DO we park in a driveway but drive on a parkway? What's that smell, Oh, It's me THE STUPID CRACKHEAD PATTI!!! I KNOW THAT EVERYONE OF YOU COPS IS LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF THIS!!! Just pick off the scabs first you EDP! Get a life and may god bless your kids.

[A Skidmore]

i thought id be more popular like county resident. dont you guys miss my brain stormers, maybe i could do 'COPS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LAW UPDATES" too

[Dana]

I am a little 22 year old white girl. As I was driving past the ghetto today i notice a dog that was starved to the point on barely walking, I went to the store and bought some dog food and came back (into the ghetto i remind you) and fed this starving dog. I sat there with him while he ate about a handful of food and I made a call to the humace society to beg them to come pick him up. As I was leaving, the town cop pulls me over (he was sitting there watching this whole thing) and proceeds to question me over and over as to what I was doing in that ghetto area. I explained to him at least 3 times that I was caring for a starving dog that he and the rest of the ghetto have chosen to let die. He sits at that same spot everyday and watches this animal search tirelessly for food day in and day out. After asking me twice if I was in there buying drugs I grabbed the empty dog food bag and showed it to him. This a$$hole then writes me a ticket for $150.00 and 2 points for running a stopsign. (said i rolled through it) BIG DEAL!!! I'm a little white girl fleeing from the ghetto!!! AND I'M MAD!. I begged him to let me go. I pleaded that I was risking my life to do something good for one of God's creatures and he tips his hat and walk off... does anyone know what character and integrity mean anymore? Does anyone know of ANY cops that have these qualities? I've yet to meet one. That jackhole is just as responsible for that dog starving as all those other welfare recipients. He watches it and does nothing about it day after day.... Thank you all for listening.
Dana

[Cop]

no the only person responsible for the dog is its owner.
you want to do this dog a favor, dont feed it take it home. dont take it personal, we "document'' veryones comings and goings in "the ghetto"

[ghetto patrol]

think from his side for a second. how many crackheads have given him a story just like your. you know you dont belong there, stay out. let that be 150 lesson.where do you live rightnext dorr to the "ghetto"?
what hat did he tip? very few departments wear hats anymore.

[Pick 6]

Do you guys realize that "Dana" is the same idiot posting all this other nonsense? Don't entertain this garbage.

[look it!!]

what i found
funny!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dedication to the Public]

no the only person responsible for the dog is its owner.

So according to you the police are not responsible for safeguarding a citizen's lost property?

Is there anything the police are responsible for other than making sure they collect their paychecks?

[Call the town]

this post is from SEPTEMBER nitwit!!

[Horace Clark]

this post is from SEPTEMBER nitwit!!

True..and sadly you are still here so why don't you make one of your inane comments?

Quite honestly, you ain't no prize deep sea catch. You could be trolled in a King Kullen parking lot puddle. Small fry...lol

[call the town]

but you are the one answering it, thats why im making fun of you!
whats with the''size'' jokes? compensating?

[To The Parents]

of;call the town,Horace Clark,Dedication to the Public,look it!!, You know school recess is over, why are your children home?
If they are sick, they should'nt be allowed to play on the computer.Either way you should be monitoring their computer useage. This isn't the Nickleodeon chat room.

[NassauVet]

STREET COP ETHICS
By
John Fuller
jfuller@mpctc.net
Originally published in The Law Enforcement Trainer
May/June 2001
"Nobody ever gave a cop
something for nothing."
O. W. Wilson

http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/lester/ethics/street_cop.html

The police service in this country is more closely scrutinized and subject to more uninformed, biased criticism than any other occupational group, with the possible exception of presidential candidates. The average street cop is expected to conduct his or her personal and professional life with more integrity and decorum than most other citizens, however unrealistic and difficult that may seem at times. For you apprehensive police trainers, a few street-smart pointers to pass along to your soon-to-be rookie cops:

If it's impossible to remain courteous, and sometimes it is, unfortunately--always remain civil.
Mind your telephone manners. Always return phone calls, even when you know the caller will be unreasonable or hostile. Not returning business calls is highly unprofessional and is a frequent source of citizen complaints against police officers.

In confrontational encounters, as much as possible, keep your mouth shut. When dealing with a citizen with an obvious antagonistic agenda, ignore verbal attempts to irritate you and don't be goaded into street-corner arguments. Cops saying the wrong thing at the wrong time account for the great majority of citizen complaints, whether justified or not.

Your dazzling commentary on contemporary social issues and your enlightened cultural theories are totally irrelevant and immaterial while you are on-duty. Keep your personal opinions and biases strictly to yourself.

Understand what "face" means on the street, particularly in minority, disadvantaged neighborhoods. Never humiliate anyone in a totally devastating manner in front of their friends or family, no matter how obnoxious their behavior or attitude. Always leave room for some self-respect in any encounter, regardless of the circumstances.

By the same token, understand that "face" also applies to you. Never walk or shy away from an obvious arrest or enforcement situation-It will bother you forever-and it might get the next cop who has to deal with that same individual--hurt or killed.

Remaining calm and collected in the face of verbal abuse is one of the hallmarks of a professional policeman. If you can't stand being called bad names, you're in the wrong business.

Don't be provoked into a unnecessary use of force incident. Meet force with force and don't get hurt, but don't go over the line and engage in an obviously brutal response. When the resistance stops, the force should stop. Beating a drunk into the sidewalk because he insulted your mother is police brutality, plain and simple.

The Golden Rule applies, always! Treat the citizen in the same manner as you would like to be treated, given the circumstances. Likewise, don't give short shrift to the dirt-ball, street people; sometimes even the weirdoes and the crazies have interesting stuff to tell the police.

Cultivate your "street face." This is the look of bored detachment and supremely confident nonchalance that veteran street cops affect when the rocks and bottles start flying. Even the juvenile "gangstas" emulate the look and swagger of these seasoned street cops and patrol commanders.

A few words about police corruption (Yes, there is such a thing in this day and age), mainly bribery. These may have been playful little larcenies to the old-timers, but times have changed radically. And how would you like to spend a couple of years in a very small room for taking what amounts to "chump change" to overlook a violation of the law you were sworn to uphold?

If someone insists on "doing something" for you, ask them to write a commendatory letter to your Commanding Officer. A personnel file bulging with laudatory and complimentary letters can be very helpful at certain critical points in your career.

Bribery can include money, gifts, or favors. "Kickbacks" for illegal services are probably the most prevalent form of contemporary police corruption. Citizens are legion who will offer money to police officers to make traffic violations "disappear," including those business people who think nothing of offering money or gifts to cops for extra service or favorable considerations.

A gratuity to all intents and purposes is a bribe. Taking $50 from a gambler to overlook a late night card game equates to accepting a six-pack from a liquor store proprietor to close him up on Friday night. The only difference is in degree.

Question: "Well, how about a free cup of coffee or half-price for a meal, what's the harm in that?"
Answer: "Nothing really, just ask yourself why the guy is offering you the freebies. Could it be that he wants you to give his place more attention than you give the other businesses on your post? Think about it-is he entitled to extra-special attention for the price of a burger and coffee?"

One of the occupational attributes of the veteran street cop is not accepting things at face value. Always ask yourself what people have in mind when they offer you something for nothing. There is almost always an ulterior motive or hidden agenda.

Read and re-read the excerpt by O.W. Wilson at the beginning of this article. Quote it as a mantra and remember it always!

The final word on bribery-don't do it; just plain don't do it-or you'll deserve all the bad things that will surely and inevitably happen to you. Now that you salty cop trainers know it all, why not take a little quiz and test your own knowledge of some practical applications of street cop ethics. This quiz consists of 15 brief, ethically-challenging scenarios a patrol officer might encounter during a typical duty-tour.

Read each scenario carefully and make a mental assessment indicating whether you think the situation is Ethical, Not Ethical, or Questionable. Don't assume or otherwise "read" anything into each scenario that isn't plainly stated.

This quiz might also be helpful in your police ethics classes and lectures, either for entry level or in-service, as a written exercise or as the basis for a class or small group discussion .

By the way, there is no answer sheet. If you don't have an instinctive "feel" for an ethically-appropriate response, you really should review that specific scenario with a colleague or supervisor whose judgement you trust.


QUIZ
STREET COP ETHICS
1. A liquor store owner on your post asks you to escort him to the bank two blocks away after he closes so that he can make a night deposit. It's 11 PM and it's a high-crime area.

2. An automobile repossession man stops you on the street and offers you $25 if you can locate a certain car for him. He gives you his business card and tells you that all you have to do is find the car and call in the location, the same as his civilian "spotters." No other involvement on your part is required.

3. A tow truck company proprietor approaches you and requests that you notify him telephonically of any accidents, or disabled or abandoned autos that require towing. For your cooperation, he indicates he will "make it worth your while."

4. The local TV/radio station advertises rewards for tips from citizens on breaking news stories. You then call in information on a gruesome double-homicide you've just responded to, using a relative's name.

5. You obtain several motor vehicle registration listings from your agency's criminal justice information system computer terminal at the request of your brother-in-law who operates a bill collection service.

6. An attorney friend of yours requests that you notify him of any motor vehicle accidents in your sector that may be civilly actionable. All he needs is a copy of the accident report and he will take it from there-you will not be involved.

7. A local funeral director asks you to hold-up traffic at a busy intersection so that he can get a funeral procession moving away in good order.

8. Your supervisor tells you and other officers in your sector to report all attempt car thefts as "tampering" or "vandalism," in order to hold down the increasing incidence of these Part I offenses in your sector.

9. You make it a practice to stop in the hospital ER located on your post on weekend nights for the purpose of peeking at the medical history sheets for the names, addresses, and DOB's of patients being treated, and then calling in wanted checks to your agency's Records Unit to ascertain any outstanding warrants. If you get a "hit" on an ambulatory person, you wait outside the ER, and when they leave, you arrest them.

10. When interrogating a juvenile burglary suspect, you strongly insinuate that unless he identifies his accomplices, you will take steps to have his mother removed from the social agency's welfare rolls.

11. At the request of a local landlord, you knock on the door of an apartment and inform the tenant that he and his family will be evicted next week unless he pays his back rent.

12. You are newly assigned to a post and one of the veteran sector officers tells you: "Sandwiches at the deli are free, uniform cleaning at the laundry is half-price, and the convenience store guy provides free sodas and cigarettes whenever you stop-in."

13. The proprietor of the gas station on your foot post offers you a key to the establishment's office area, should you want to sit-down and relax while on the 12 AM - 8 AM shift, when they are closed.

14. You are investigating a series of child pornography offenses that have occurred city-wide. You have the name of a pedophile-suspect, but he has moved and you cannot locate him and all your investigative resources have come up negative. Your sister works at a credit reporting agency and you ask her to check her firm's automated files to see if she can find a new address for this suspect.

15. The owner of a private ambulance company on your post who has been very helpful to you in the past, asks you to complete an accident report on a property damage accident involving one of his vehicles that occurred in another jurisdiction two days ago, which he needs for insurance purposes. He tells you that "it was just a fender-bender," and that his driver can give you all the details you need for the report.


All of this info that Askidmore posted is simply copy and paste from the above listed websight.
He could have saved a lot of time by giving out the link. But than again, that wouldn't have been as controversial.
Just another green eyed idiot. He should hook up with Patti.

[i beg to differ?]

The poster of all those outdated quotes so obviously was taking it from some deadbeat book it was funny, and the abuse he took was even better. I personally couldnt believe he continued for so long, must need some love

no the only person responsible for the dog is its owner.

So according to you the police are not responsible for safeguarding a citizen's lost property?

Is there anything the police are responsible for other than making sure they collect their paychecks?

yes. Making sure the roads are safe

[call the town]

this post is from SEPTEMBER nitwit

I Just finished reading all 19 pages. It sound like it all was mistakingly printed in the wrong forum. C'mon.....bribery, extortion, kickbacks. I think the correct forum for this conversation would be the........POLITICAL FORUMS!!!

[correct forum]

stuff to read to bore you to sleep.

You seem to have a boring life if thats how you get to sleep! :lol:

did i say that? i said it will bore you to sleep

[Uninvited Guest]

You could "put me out on the street, put me out with no shoes on my feet, put me out, put me out, put me out of misery" Mick Jagger~

But I'd still have a vivid imagination, hence a wonderful nights sleep :lol:

[Oh MY!]

:shock:

[skipster]

Really? thats only like the 3rd time skimore's history was posted


Oh Yeah...then why did you refer to Skidmore as an officer?


here it is. nice try mr know it all
maybe next week you'll find something new and not from the summer of 2004

You could "put me out on the street, put me out with no shoes on my feet, put me out, put me out, put me out of misery" Mick Jagger~

All your sickness I can suck it up. Throw it all at me, I can shrug it off,

[Beast of Burden]

You could "put me out on the street, put me out with no shoes on my feet, put me out, put me out, put me out of misery" Mick Jagger~

All your sickness I can suck it up. Throw it all at me, I can shrug it off,

There's one thing Babe, I don't understand. You keep saying I'm not your kind of man. Am I rough enough, ewww, am I tough enough, ewww, am I rich enough...

There's one thing Babe, I don't understand. You keep saying I'm not your kind of man. Am I rough enough, ewww, am I tough enough, ewww, am I rich enough...

If youre a Suffolk County cop you certainly are rich enough...and we all know who the beast of burden is...the taxpayer.

If youre a Suffolk County cop you certainly are rich enough...and we all know who the beast of burden is...the taxpayer
Rich? hardly, try comfortable.
Kind of ironic, I live in Suffolk pay my taxes, knew what I was getting into before moving out here. It's a free country, cant understand why someone would act as if there a ball and chain on their feet. I'm sure there's a nice trailer park somewhere in Tennessee
If you don't like the taxes or cant afford...bye now

[the sarge]

I am in agreement with the last post . Can't afford to live here , leave. And another thing don't blame it on the PD . I pay over $4,500 a year just in school taxes , and about $500 for Police . Who's breaking the taxpayers backs ? Most people pay $4-500 for Town garabage pickup. blaming it all on the PD is just wrong. When you have to wear a bulletproof vest to work everyday, see death on a regular basis ( whether Natural , accidental , or Criminal ), deal with EDP's and violent Criminals daily then maybe you can comment on what we make. Not to mention the occasional bad dreams about the calls we've all handled where children died ( crib deaths, MVA's, and yes sometimes Homicides ). We don't have the heavy calls everyday but often enough . So shut the hell up and leave if you are unhappy here. Or if you are so envious of our job, take the test and be a cop. Your attitude will surely change.

Again a good cop who writes the minimum amount of paper, and collars a month pays his own way. The county, state, villages make money off our work.

[the writer formerly known]

Again a good cop who writes the minimum amount of paper, and collars a month pays his own way. The county, state, villages make money off our work.

I am in partial agreement but that is not the main purpose . I have children and family who drive roads of Suffolk. Maybe I'm a dreamer but locking up scumbags and writing tickets although a very small drop in the bucket, can make a difference. 8)

Or if you are so envious of our job, take the test and be a cop. Your attitude will surely change
Whom do you think is posting here, ragging on the PD? The ones who couldnt make it.

[Concerned County Resident]

NO...the ones who really care about Suffolk County, not the ones who rape it daily...Boss

NO...the ones who really care about Suffolk County, not the ones who rape it daily...Boss
Please either explain yourself or quote what post you are answering, not very clear.

[Hating de Man]

quote]NO...the ones who really care about Suffolk County, not the ones who rape it daily...Boss[/quote]
I believe its his attempt to answer this;Or if you are so envious of our job, take the test and be a cop. Your attitude will surely change

Whom do you think is posting here, ragging on the PD? The ones who couldnt make it.
Somehow going to work as a Suffolk cty. P.O. in his world (probably as someone who couldn't make it), answering 911 calls, enforcing traffic and penal laws, and getting paid a decent salary equates to raping the County.
What this is based on other than extreme jealousy, anger, insecurity or just plain hatred who knows, who cares.
I seriously doubt this ''new'' county resident knows anything about what hes talking about.
Just taking uninformed, generalized shots to feel better about his-self.

Or if you are so envious of our job, take the test and be a cop. Your attitude will surely change
Whom do you think is posting here, ragging on the PD? The ones who couldnt make it.or the ones who made it...for a little while......right cabbie?

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[mesno]

were u banned when you posted this?