CONTROLLING THE POLICE — COMMUNITY GOALS

[Dr Corvalle]

GOAL #1 — A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD

Civilian review of police activity was first proposed in the 1950s because of widespread dissatisfaction with the internal disciplinary procedures of police departments. Many citizens didn't believe that police officials took their complaints seriously. They suspected officials of investigating allegations of abuse superficially at best, and of covering up misconduct. The theory underlying the concept of civilian review is that civilian investigations of citizen complaints are more independent because they are conducted by people who are not sworn officers.

At first, civilian review was a dream few thought would ever be fulfilled. But slow, steady progress has been made, indicating that it's an idea whose time has come. By the end of 1997, more than 75 percent of the nation's largest cities (more than 80 cities across the country) had civilian review systems.

Civilian review advocates in every city have had to overcome substantial resistance from local police departments. One veteran of the struggle for civilian review has chronicled the stages of police opposition as follows —

The "over our dead bodies" stage, during which the police proclaim that they will never accept any type of civilian oversight under any circumstances;

The "magical conversion" stage, when it becomes politically inevitable that civilian review will be adopted. At this point, former police opponents suddenly become civilian review experts and propose the weakest possible models;

The "post-partum resistance" stage, when the newly established civilian review board must fight police opposition to its budget, authority, access to information, etc.

Strong community advocacy is necessary to overcome resistance, even after civilian review is established.

WHAT IS CIVILIAN REVIEW?

Civilian review systems create a lot a confusion because they vary tremendously. Some are more "civilian" than others. Some are not boards but municipal agencies headed by an executive director (who has been appointed by, and is accountable to, the mayor).

The three basic types of civilian review systems are —

Type I. Persons who are not sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers, who then make a recommendation for action to the police chief. This process is the most independent and most "civilian."

Type II. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers for a recommendation.

Type III. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding and make a recommendation to the police chief. If the aggrieved citizen is not satisfied with the chief's action on the complaint, he or she may appeal to a board that includes non-officers. Obviously, this process is the least independent.
Although the above are the most common, other types of civilian review systems also exist.

WHY IS CIVILIAN REVIEW IMPORTANT?

Civilian review establishes the principle of police accountability. Strong evidence exists to show that a complaint review system encourages citizens to act on their grievances. Even a weak civilian review process is far better than none at all.

A civilian review agency can be an important source of information about police misconduct. A civilian agency is more likely to compile and publish data on patterns of misconduct, especially on officers with chronic problems, than is a police internal affairs agency.

Civilian review can alert police administrators to the steps they must take to curb abuse in their departments. Many well-intentioned police officials have failed to act decisively against police brutality because internal investigations didn't provide them with the facts.

TEN PRINCIPLES FOR AN EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD
Independence. The power to conduct hearings, subpoena witnesses and report findings and recommendations to the public.

1. Investigatory Power. The authority to independently investigate incidents and issue findings on complaints.

2. Mandatory Police Cooperation. Complete access to police witnesses and documents through legal mandate or subpoena power.

3. Adequate Funding. Should not be a lower budget priority than police internal affairs systems.

4. Hearings. Essential for solving credibility questions and enhancing public confidence in process.

5.Reflect Community Diversity. Board and staff should be broadly representative of the community it serves.

6. Policy Recommendations. Civilian oversight can spot problem policies and provide a forum for developing reforms.

7. Statistical Analysis. Public statistical reports can detail trends in allegations, and early warning systems can identify officers who are subjects of unusually numerous complaints.

8. Separate Offices. Should be housed away from police headquarters to maintain independence and credibility with public.

9. Disciplinary Role. Board findings should be considered in determining appropriate disciplinary action.

10. The existence of a civilian review agency, a reform in itself, can help ensure that other needed reforms are implemented. A police department can formulate model policies aimed at deterring and punishing misconduct, but those policies will be meaningless unless a system is in place to guarantee that the policies are aggressively enforced.


Civilian review works, if only because it's at least a vast improvement over the police policing themselves. Nearly all existing civilian review systems —
reduce public reluctance to file complaints
reduce procedural barriers to filing complaints
enhance the likelihood that statistical reporting on complaints will be more complete enhance the likelihood of an independent review of abuse allegations foster confidence in complainants that they will get their "day in court" through the hearing process increase scrutiny of police policies that lead to citizen complaints increase opportunities for other reform efforts.

A campaign to establish a civilian review agency, or to strengthen an already existing agency, is an excellent vehicle for community organizing. In Indianapolis, for example, a civilian review campaign brought about not only the establishment of a civilian review agency, but an effective coalition between the Indiana ACLU, the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other community groups that could take future action on other issues.

Your community's campaign should seek a strong, fully-independent and accessible civilian review system. But even with a weak system, you can press for changes to make it more independent and effective.

[good luck doc]

read our contract, never happen. at least in suffolk. i know should not say never, maybe when my son gets otj, hes 4 1/2, i'll be long retired. see ya on the links doc

[scpd patrol]

This is what Levy would like to see.
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[Jakes Dad]

We already have civilian oversight. The County Exec, the legislature, the police commissioner and his deputy police commissioners. There is also the District Attorney's Office. All civilians on just the county level who have oversight and investigative power the police. Do I have to mention the state and federal governments? A CCRB would be obviously redundant.
A CCRB is totally unnecessary and the arguments for it as outlined in the first post are without merit.
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[Hmmm]

The first post in this thread is a plagiaristic cut and paste from the ACLU website archive.aclu.org/library/fighting_police_abuse.html. (See item #4). The poster should have cited his/her source so we know from whence it came. The ACLU is notorious for its distrust and hatred of law enforcement officers nationwide, and as far as police matters go, the ACLU is and always has been way out in left field. If it was up to the ACLU, our law enforcement officers would be armed with flowers, not guns.
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[scpd patrol]

This department has done a good job of policing itself when those situations arise. Members have been fired and even prosecuted. There is no need for a CCRB. The department has a policy for civilian complaints and DOES investigate them. The people wanting a CCRB in Suffolk County don't realize this. They also fail to recognize that the SCPD is truly made up of professional men and women!!
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[ThreeTen]

Amen to that SCPD Patrol!
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[CCRB]

Quote:They also fail to recognize that the SCPD is truly made up of professional men and women!!
So if you are truly professional, then you should have absolutely no problem with civilian oversight.

[MY PEERS]

As with any profession, the conduct and performance of its members is judged and evaluated, not by a group of people who have limited or no knowledge of the profession, but by a governing board of the profession itself. The AMA sets standards, judges and evaluates its doctors, the BAR Associations, likewise, its lawyers, etc. So too, police departments judge and evaluate the performance of its members without the meddling of civilians with no background in the profession. A truck driver should not be judging a doctor's actions nor should a community activist be judging a police officer in a civilian review board. If necessary, that is the job of a Police Chief, Grand Jury, District Attorney or Internal Affairs Unit.

[Krime Fyter]

BLOW ME!

[10-60 this thread]

more civilians getting fat off our salaries, more summonses we have to write to justify their salaries, forget about it, we crawling nowadays, county is not getting ahead off our dept. watch them cut back more civilian jobs in the pd in the next year, when they realize how much less we be making them, simple fix, pd operates in red, county cuts back.

[scpd patrol]

Professional officers don't have anything to fear with a CCRB? Who is this board going to be comprised of? Are these people truly unbiased? Do you know who Charles Barron is? He is a truly off the wall NYC Councilman. If you are aware of some of his antics, you would not want him on the CCRB. Obviously, Mr. Barron would not sit on the CCRB in Suffolk, but what if someone with his opinions does?

The SCPD has investigators above the rank of police officer who deal with allegations of police corruption/unprofessionalism. They do their job well. So well, in fact, that their investigations have lead to the firing of numerous officers in recent years. We have also seen a few of these officers prosecuted and sent to prison. I could maybe see the need for a board if no one was ever taken to task for their actions. That most certainly is not the case in the SCPD.

The people of Suffolk County should be proud of their department and of the professionalism shown day in and out by its members!
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[ThreeTen]

Birdie/Eagle/County resident we already do have civilian oversight as outlined in an earlier post-get with the program and stop posting about things you have no clue about!
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[Felix]

>>>As with any profession,

Police work is just not any profession. Police officers are public servants. They are hired by and paid by the public. The public deserves to know they are not receiving lip service from a department that claims to be professional.

[union rep]

police are hired and paid by the goverment. not 1 person involved in my interview/hiring was a civilian.everyone was at minimum a county employee qualified in whatever field they were employed in.my paycheck is from suffolk county. you pay taxes thats all. you dont have a say in whether or not you pay taxes, or whether or not any p.o. currently employed was or was not hired. that hardly qualifies anyone as hiring or paying my salary. you have a problem with how the police are run vote for a different goverment. they are the ones you hire. they in turn hire the commisioner,etc. we are public servants no doubt, whether the dept gives you lip service or not isnt our problem.our job is to enforce laws and respond to 911 calls. is the ccrb going to be volunteer? otherwise where is the money going to come from? your taxes? or maybe they will have us write 10+ more tickets a month. check our contract if you can. its a thing of beauty, my lawyer at the closing of my property upstate told me they spend a week discussing this contract. in a nutshell we have to do something criminal to be fired. so you the taxpayer is paying all this money to people who cant do anything, so they suspend someone 3 days we appeal it gets bumped down to a day, all this is done at your expense, arbitrator, union rep, p.o. i.a.b. and now you want accrb involved.

[110 forever]

in suffolk the ccrb would have a very tough time. the union out there is very proactive,they would fight anything the county threw at them, look at levy, he cant do diddly against them and he is the county exec.
thats an interesting point, union rep, about the taxes and all, people forget we, we being law enforcement officers, work for the penal law, traffic law, not for the taxpayers. of course when someone is a victim of crime it is our duty to enforce the penal law. thats were we start having trouble. getting punched in the arm isnt assault, no matter what you saw on csi miami.when people dont get their way thats when they complain.

[guy named tim]

as a tax payer i think interesting points have been made here. i personally dont think many people can have the needed views to oversee police unless they either are or were employed in that manner.
no matter what views we have of the police, they do live by a different code. the last thing we need is police afraid to do their jobs because they may get fired because some liberal does not like the fact that police are allowed to use any force needed
the other side of the coin is if its just a bunch of ex-cops doing it dont bother,isnt that what internal affairs is,i dont with mr levy that civilians complaints are not being investigated. a civilian review board would probably be a bunch of either political or police insiders milking us. out here in suffolk the cops are doing just fine dont waste any more tax money.

[The People]

Quote:union rep:

police are hired and paid by the goverment. not 1 person involved in my interview/hiring was a civilian.

Government, political organization comprising the individuals and institutions authorized to formulate public policies and conduct affairs of state.

Most union reps that I have encountered are about as intelligent as a clipped toe nail.

Obviously you are no exception.

[county residue]

congrats to union rep, you shut this boy down, usually he tries to dissect your entire post, this is the 1st time his answer is a cheesy little comeback, you hit it right on the head.
taxpayers have no say in paying their taxes, can you go into school and tell the teachers how to teach? no.you are'nt qualified, yet the same shcmoo thinks they are qualified to tell us what to do.

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[union rep]

name calling? why dont you give it up. you are no more part of the government than i.
call stevie up and tell him how you feel, he wont talk to you. he dont care what you have to say. you bounce around all these threads, birdie,eagle county resident, trying to prove some unknown point.yet you are shot down on each one, you move on change your name, county res, eagle, now the people, like you represent something or someone.
i must have really stumped you, if thats all you have as far as a comeback. you know its true, if you voted(i did)
thats as close as you'll come to having any say in any police issues.
if comparing me to a toenail makes you feel better about yourself,be my guest, the rest of my post you are not going to debate,because its factual, your opinion of me is yours,doesnt concern me, you know what they say about opinions, they are like butts, everyone has one, and no one wants to hear it.

[union rep]

to start with the ccrb would have to be approved by us. never happen.
they would have to be educated, intelligent people beyond reproach. lawyers, judges etc. this would have to be their only employment therefore eliminating any prejudice. their pay would match their responsiblity, certainly more than a p.o. would make.
now most of the complaints we entertain are along the lines of "i didnt like the officers attitude", of course when we hear the po's side there is usually attitude from the civilian, or quite simply the civilian did nt get their way. so they complain to a supervisor, works at walmart it should work here.
the other main complaint is the "officer lectured me instead of writing a summons" this is usually a professional person, resents anyone telling him or her what to do. when they are done venting their frustration(like you are frustrated) it is implied that the officer has no problem apologizing, and will gladly write the summons now, they usually shut up.
if the po did not say anything unprofessional, there is little to do.
it is very rare that we get a complaint of true merit that has to be investigated. what exactly would these ccrb people be getting their 100+ salary for?

[normal guy]

if we as taxpayers are going to lay out more of our hard earned money frankly i would prefer it going to more patrol officers. i think the cops out here are honest, simply because they ARE making 120,000. a year. if we are going to hire a bunch of liberals to investigate every disagreement the cops have out here, how is that going to make them more effective? they have their internal affairs dept. right? we have seen them prosecute several of their own, so what are these blood- suckers going to do, review every car stop where a cop does a criminal search of the vehicle and finds something illegal? how do i the decent everyday citizen benefit from cops being punished for being aggressive and going after the bad guys? that will just give them an excuse not to do anything,. please explain how any of this helps me.

[unregistered user]

I'm reading a fairly intelligent and interesting thread, and then I come across "Blow me"? How long did it take you to write that? You contributed absolutely nothing.
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[J Lawrence]

Quote:if we as taxpayers are going to lay out more of our hard earned money frankly i would prefer it going to more patrol officers.
I’d rather freeze current officer’s salaries for three years and use that savings to hire a few new cops.
Quote: if we are going to hire a bunch of liberals to investigate every disagreement the cops have out here, how is that going to make them more effective?
Who, other than you, suggested a CCRB would be comprised liberals?
Quote:they have their internal affairs dept. right? we have seen them prosecute several of their own, so what are these blood- suckers going to do,
Since when does a person who characterizes himself as a “normal guy,” refer to people he does not know as “blood suckers?” You come off about as normal as a jjunkie turning down a deck of Brain Damage.
Quote:how do i the decent everyday citizen benefit from cops being punished for being aggressive and going after the bad guys? that will just give them an excuse not to do anything,. please explain how any of this helps me.
The members of a Civilian Review Board would be committed to promoting trust between the citizens of Long Island and the law enforcement units of the counties to assure accountability to the public it serves. By providing citizens with a means to bring complaints against law enforcement officers before a panel of county citizens, the Board hopes to reduce public reluctance to file complaints, reduce procedural barriers in filing claims, and increase police accountability, thus promoting trust between the citizens of Nassau and Suffolk, and the county's law enforcement officers.

[union rep]

cant freeze salaries, its in our contract, pay raise over the next 4 years. cant get a ccrb against our contract, period. that would have to be approved by the members, that will never happen. additional patrol is a problem, suffolks population has exploded over the past 10 plus years, some pcts are still operating with staffing levels similiar to 1970. the ccrb usually is supposed to represent the various communities in the region, i dont know if this would be accomplished with 1 board for suffolk or several representing each pct. hate to agree with that multi user name !@#$% but there might be some republicans.. hell there might be some foreigners if the population is high enough, who knows maybe some illegals, they seem to out number us all.
yes it is redundant to have a ccrb and iab, the amount of legit complaints against p.o.s are fairly low out here. they exist and are handled professionally at every level. no police officer can ignore a request of a civilian to document a complaint. when that is asked he must furnish them with the pct # or if at the pct, get a supervisor to take the complaint. we do not "cover up" for anyone, my job is too important to me to lose it because another cop may have screwed up.
as far as reviewing car stops, probably not, if someone was arrested and they feel it was an infringement of their rights, that would be handled by iab, it is more likely complaints like: the officer had an attitude, the officer was not nice to me etc. i understand how you may feel they are sucking your blood, money, "normal" citizens probably never will have the need for ccrb, the county has saved some money by hiring civilians to replace cops on some desk jobs, but again in this case, they would have to give them the pay they deserve

[Incredulous]

Quote:my job is too important to me to lose it because another cop may have screwed up.
So what you are saying is that you do not consider the people you work with as your brothers and sisters who are part of one big happy police family.

Are you the only police officer on Long Island who would not cover for a broth....errr, excuse me, I meant to write cover for a “fellow employee?”

You should be commended! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[normal guy]

for explaining some of my questions to me union. funny how this guy who i'm assuming is a civilian has such an abbrasive answer explaining how the ccrb would encourage us to file complaints because we'd feel less intimidated, and the hard as. cop is polite and not rude?
hey, j/lawerence sorry i have a negative view on more unneeded jobs. i feel they are blood suckers because i pay almost 6,000 in taxes out here for a average home. i've lived in a fairly nice area for almost 30 years. recently my neighbor has told me that at night the county shuts 2 of the 5 cars that work within the 6 hamlets that are in the area.basically because we live in a nice area the county is saving money at our expense.
i would rather have a few more cops patrolling my area than more pencil pushers.they are just going to be political friends of whoever is in charge, levy or otherwise.
i dont see the problem w/cops out here, everyone must be jealous of their money, in my 40 years of driving, i've been pulled over several times, been issued some tickets, been warned a few times, have had some vandalism at my house,accidents and the like. i never have had a situation where a cop was anything but respectful, maybe because im not a drunk, im not beating my wife, im not shooting out car windows with bb guns, selling or carrying illegal pot.
again i want the cops out there to stay aggressive, catch the drunks and the drug dealers. i dont want them thinking about civilian charges and having an excuse to hang out all day at the firehouse. sorry if i got u mad mr.j lawrence, but i am a old conservative i dont like changes, i just thought any people who are out to "control the cops"seems fairly liberal, maybe im out of touch with politics

[union rep]

yes my job is too important to me. if i am asked by a citizen for the # of the pct, or if i am in a pct, and someone calls, or asks me to file a complaint i will screen it to see if the person is in the right place, then pass it to my boss. if i dont i will face some form of action, when the person does complain. once it goes to a boss, it will be handled appropriately. on the other hand if i can it, when the person calls hq now i appear to be covering up, that is when it will be a problem for both myself and the po involved, thats not helping anyone. i've been around too long, ive seen it happen, it isnt worth it.most pos i know whether from the last class or with30+ on have been made aware of this.
frankly most complaints end up unfounded we just let them run their course. if your response is going to be"yeah ok" dont bother then im done with you, you apparently have no interest in a dialogue, just getting your little shots in

[Enough]

in case you did not know this is county resident/eagle/whatever else, we dont reply to him. i have to say you did shut him down, he can only paste 1 line per post on you, he is not debating anything you say,good job as always.
my opinion on a ccrb, waste of money. if they cant prosecute us without iab, what do we need them for?
i personally had 2 complaints that were totally unfounded with a local, 1st time he put me in a car when i was off. the 2nd i was working but what he didnt realize is w/ the satellite thing it showed me in my car aprox. 4 miles away on a call.
iab let him sign a statement against me and promptly locked his arse up( was that you county res.?) the ccrb isnt going to have access to this stuff, so they are going to have to rely on the iab officers anyway.
dont know if you guys saw on tv, but nypd is picketing for their contract. GOOD LUCK TO OUR BROTHERS IN THE CITY. you guys deserve it god bless
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[DoctorsareUseless]

Hey Doc! Are you just annoyed because your wife is out getting it in every hole from her plastic surgeon? Don't worry about us, worry about yourself. I think a lot more should be done about the corruption rate of doctors. Probably somewhere around 99.5%. The leading cause of death in this country is malpractice. The amount of money that doctors charge for doing nothing is a crime in itself. Making little old ladies come to your office with very little transportation 3-4 times a week so you can keep getting Co-Pays out of them is a crime in itself. Doctors kill more people then they save anyway. What happened Doc? Lose your golf clubs, scratch on your mercedes? Coke dealer not calling you back quick enough? Or are you just pissed that you got a traffic ticket because you were driving down the LIE 95 miles an hour cause you think who the hell you are.

[CCRB no]

The bosses from IA up to and including the PC look the other way ALL of the time. Yes I mean ALL of the time when it comes to the mis deeds and illegal actions of the supervisors. (I kept the heat off John Powell's chop shop) Xaber, Dominic (I ordered the destruction of video tapes of the drunken son of 's drinking buddy who led officers on a pursuit and then with the help of ordered other Hwy. Motor Carrier officers to release John Powell's stolen tractor trailers). and Dominic got a free pass on those crimes when Dom wrote his suicide note telling all and attempted to eat the blue flame. Hmmmmm where did that suicide, tell all note go. To the DA's office, to IA or even to the Property section. Nope not even close, it was destroyed and it's mere existence and the content therof denied. Former Captain Albanese who committed felony wiretapping and was soliciting underage teenage girls for really sick sex acts, no criminal prosecution there. Then a cop now an Inspector/CO of the 3rd doing coke on duty in a bar and drinking, nope no criminal prosecution there. A certain now LT. who when he was a Sgt. stole a copy of the Chief of Police Exam, nope no criminal prosecution there. A certain Hwy. Sgt. being drunk off duty and wrecking his personal Jeep only to attempt to have the sector car operators and the Sgt. that responded write the one car accident up as a leaving the scene of an accident so that his insurance company didn't bang him too badly. He was told by the cops on the scene to go scratch, but that didn't stop him from having Warren (X)avage re write the MV104 as a leaving the scene of an accident anyhow. Any criminal prosecutions there? Nope not a one. Question, what becomes of a former D.Inspector who has stolen entrance exam questions in his possession and tutors the bosses kids and other political elite, but refuses to give up all of those bosses and their children? He retires and is hired by Motorola and now is a "liason" between Motorola and the Police Department. I can go on and on for hours, but the point is IAB is a disgrace. They become aware of many many illegal acts by their own SOA brethren, yet it is the rare exception when they actually take criminal action against them. CCRB no, more IAB oversight yes.

[sensei]

watch yourselves out there. after our #1 problem, CIVILIAN drivers took out one of our own. 2 jersey cops were shot. thank tptb they lived. hopefully, this is a eye opener to those of us who have forgotten what our job is about. stay alert. treat everyone as if they are a perp. until you know otherwise. any call that sounds like trouble, treat it as such. back each other up.
very often it is said out here, we do not earn our money. those 2 p.o.s and that constable earned their entire salary in that 1 incident, of life and death, as many of us have, and will, i have. god smiled on me that night as he did our 2 jersey brothers yesterday. my prayers go to felice and his family.
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[dr johnny fever]

yeah hes a doctor.doctors are too busy in life to lurk around on a message board. only a real loser would sit here and post on a police thread constantly poking at us trying to 1 up us at every chance. then when he gets beat he just switches names and starts again. this is a very frustrated man, upset because his whole life is out of his control. this is the only place he feels brave, on a message board. here he can stand up to us, really tell us a thing or two, express his frustration about his measly little life..and so on..... and so on....

[county residue]

wah wah booh hoo. you guys make too much. arrest everyone. the illegals have overtaken my town my house is worth 100,000 my taxes are 7,000 its your fault. not immigration federal/ state laws who cares? its suffolk police fault because i say so. let me paste every little thing
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[county residue]

i think because they represent authority,see in my house i am king. if my mom doesnt have dinner ready at 5 pm i get crazy, even the cats , all 15 of them stay out of my way. but while i'm driving to work, the cops out there are pulling me over because i pass the local grade school everyday you know scoping the babes. they thrw my wallmart shmock on the ground last time i really beat 1 cat last time that happened...oops the manager of the shoe dept. is coming gotta go i'll finish this later.
you cops still are overpaid dont do nothing and so on....and so on
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[chickenhawk]

everyone should get locked up, i think. mostly because i would like to be a cop, then i could really be in charge. i'd have a gun. its name would be rambo. id shoot people. that would be cool. then i could really tell the other cops off. i would try to shame them for not arresting every person on every call. the 8 alarms i got a day i would arrest the homeowners for falsely reporting an incident. wow what a stud i would be. oh wait i hate you guys you get 112,000 for nothing. you dont arrest anyone, you dont do anything im better than you. i dont care what you say you are wrong im right because i can say anything here. this is not reality this is just a message board, i look forward to trying to show you guys up here, every chance i get sometimes i barely make it home, dreaming of my cute little sarcastic remarks. its the rest of my day that sucks though. you know, never approaching 1 of you and telling you how i feel, because i probably would be laughed at, thats if you would even pay attention to me, scrubby little nobody that i am

[why'd u do that in my eye]

you are making a joke out of me. im a very serious person with very important issues. now i'm going to cut and paste you into retirement. this is war. now i really resent you

[money for nothing]

i have an idea mr county eagle/ birdie people. want to get rid of us? make a statement about how bad we are? mail in your taxes (assuming you pay any) without the 3-500 for scpd. that will prove your point. sadly you will end up losing your home and living off the street. but that would show us a thing or two. see you dont have a say in anything about us. our salary, our patrol, our discretion. i dont expect an answer to this post, you tend to ignore the ones that you cant prove some very important, to you, but minute point
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[anon]

this guy reminds me of the wanker that passed me while i pushed a d/m off the road. yeah pushed with my own hands thats why im anon. instead of getting out of his flower delivery van and helping me, i got " i cant believe my eyes". of course a nyfd and bud stopped and helped. no doubt he had somewhere more important to go happy hour maybe 7-11 to pick up a case, but he could not resist the shot.that was ok caught up to him a few weeks later parked i/f/o his house. decorated the van w/ some nice paper art ala vtl.
too many people out there feel they've earned the right to be experts on everything, and dont have a clue to what reality is. oh if you think you are being slammed its true, we decided that we'd attack you instead of defending ourselves. lets see if anyone other than you has anything to say in your defense.
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[Big Jim]

what the hell is a wanker? i would have maced you if i'd have seen you pushing that car! u know the trouble the county has with us getting injured doing these kinds of things. call for e/s or hiway. @$%^%$% rookies

[911]

saved the kid while choking. nice job. too bad newsday didnt print your name, thats f$@# ing ridiculous. of course what else can we expect from them

[hyland]

i can get on the ccrb when im done w/ patrol? sounds like a good gig

[county resident]

An anonymous poster was kind enough to provide some insider information that contradicts quite a few of the comments written by other posters claiming to have a sworn affiliation with the SCPD:

d6d6d6d6d6 (I kept the heat off John Powell's chop shop) Xaber,

Dominic (I ordered the destruction of video tapes of the drunken son of d6d6d6d6d6's drinking buddy who led officers on a pursuit and then with the help of d6d6d6d6d6 ordered other Hwy. Motor Carrier officers to release John Powell's stolen tractor trailers).

d6d6d6d6d6 and Dominic got a free pass on those crimes when Dom wrote his suicide note telling all and attempted to eat the blue flame. Hmmmmm where did that suicide, tell all note go. To the DA's office, to IA or even to the Property section. Nope not even close, it was destroyed and it's mere existence and the content therof denied.

Former Captain Albanese who committed felony wiretapping and was soliciting underage teenage girls for really sick sex acts, no criminal prosecution there.

Then a cop now an Inspector/CO of the 3rd doing coke on duty in a bar and drinking, nope no criminal prosecution there.

A certain now LT. who when he was a Sgt. stole a copy of the Chief of Police Exam, nope no criminal prosecution there.

A certain Hwy. Sgt. being drunk off duty and wrecking his personal Jeep only to attempt to have the sector car operators and the Sgt. that responded write the one car accident up as a leaving the scene of an accident so that his insurance company didn't bang him too badly. He was told by the cops on the scene to go scratch, but that didn't stop him from having Warren (X)avage re write the MV104 as a leaving the scene of an accident anyhow. Any criminal prosecutions there? Nope not a one.

Question, what becomes of a former D.Inspector who has stolen entrance exam questions in his possession and tutors the bosses kids and other political elite, but refuses to give up all of those bosses and their children? He retires and is hired by Motorola and now is a "liason" between Motorola and the Police Department.

I can go on and on for hours, but the point is IAB is a disgrace. They become aware of many many illegal acts by their own SOA brethren, yet it is the rare exception when they actually take criminal action against them. CCRB no, more IAB oversight yes.


A poster who likes to call himself ?scpd patrol? wrote:

This department has done a good job of policing itself when those situations arise.?the SCPD is truly made up of professional men and women!!

I?m not sure whom to believe when it comes to judging the SCPD's level of professionalism.

Should I believe the anonymous "scpd patrol" officer who merely offers rhetoric?

Or should I believe the anonymous poster who is willing to provide the names of supervisory officers that allegedly engaged in criminal acts or other acts of serious police misconduct?

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[county residue]

today i'll be this guy.notice i daekened the paste this time. that means i really think its important
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Homemade Vaporizer Pipe (http://www.vaporshop.com)

[TBAW]

Believe what you will, all of this has been posted before, at this sight. I believe you had a different name, but your act is the same---- argue until it's stupid! One day soon (I hope) the LEO's will leave and you folks can argue with each other....enjoy!
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[birdie in the sky]

dont bother attempting to debate anything with this one way loser. ignore him or treat him like the joke he be. any legit answer will be twisted to prove whatever minor point he can.better to just make fun of him. could you imagine the county if we just let everyone settle their own problems, about a week there would be a lot less calls for us to handle

[Chicken Hawk]

notice all the"examples" were suits not street cops. thats politics as usual. you sheep sit and listen to the gov. and believe everything they tell u. you end up resenting us, meanwhile the political types can wheel and deal as usual. then u wonder why this whole thread is a joke to us.

[county residue]

whats with the sheep inference? dont tell me u swing that way, u sicko!!! dont u know his name is EAGLE, UNCLE SAM, COUNTY RESIDENT,THE PEOPLE very strong, he represents his own opinion and no 1 elses. sheep makes him sound like one in the fluck, oops i mean flock, mindless, repeating what was repeated to him, docile, unable to protect himself. i certainly hope you're not making us his sheperds, i would turn the other way if the wolves got him.
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[been there]

Quote:I can go on and on for hours, but the point is IAB is a disgrace. They become aware of many many illegal acts by their own SOA brethren, yet it is the rare exception when they actually take criminal action against them. CCRB no, more IAB oversight yes.

County resident, if you knew as much as you think you do, you would know that IAB does not mete out punishment. They investigate and report their findings to the commissioner's office, who then decides whether or not someone is disciplined and what the punishment (if any) will be.
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[hey whats that old sheep]

mutton is "mature" sheep meat. haggis is the stuffed stomach of a sheep/cow that is scottish. we had the sheep. the irish did not. they had taters. but the sheep stories are irish not scottish. he-he

[county residue]

residual odor? pretty lame think of your own name. we are way off topic, which isnt a bad thing, what the hell is a alba gu braeth? sounds like a mollusk of some sort.
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LovelyWendie99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[alba gu brath]

thats from the speech in braveheart after wallace is done with the speech,he screams something in celtic, alba gu brath that means scotland for ever,that movie rocked, thats a much better topic than mr discretion, 10-4?

[wanker]

dont you love payback? if that loser lives in your sector, id definitely make time for some enforcement via 1172 on his block. you know early morning, afternoon rush hour. leave a note for your relief drivers too. pet projects make time fly.

[To Been THere]

Bosses in IAB are no longer allowed to exercise their powers of arrest. What you are telling us is that they investigate an incident and then let the Police Commishioner make the decision as whether or not an arrest is made. Based on that stupid statement alone you make a great case for more IAB oversight whether it be a CCRB or some other form of competent oversight. How sad it must be to have to ask mother may I when as a cop you develop PC that a crime has been committed and you have to get permission from a civilian (police commish) as to whether or not you can do your job and make an arrest. Thanks for showing how impotent the bosses in IAB really are.

[been there]

Quote:What you are telling us is that they investigate an incident and then let the Police Commishioner make the decision as whether or not an arrest is made.

Yep, that's what i'm telling you. Do you really think a police officer is going to get arrested without the commisioner reviewing the facts first? Would a low level manager in a business fire a valuable employee without discussing it with his supervisor first? You make it sound like this happens on a daily basis. How many cops do you think commit crimes in Suffolk anyway? Damn few is your answer. IAB does a good job in Suffolk. Get off your high horse and take your BS non-issue elsewhere. Whatsamatter, you or your loved one get a ticket recently?
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[34 me]

Great info......

[RE Been There]

So the problem isn't IA incompetence it's the concept of the fish stinks from the head. So all of the cover ups of bosses illegal acts have been at the behest and direction of the Police Commissioner. I guess thats why whenever anyone sues any member of the Police Dept. they include near the top of the list the Commish and work their way down the chain of command. Damn, now I know what I've been doing wrong all of these years, I should have been checking w/ the PC prior to making any arrests. BTW I didn't mention anything about POs needing to be arrested. I did however outline NUMEROUS factual examples of how bosses committed crimes and skated by not having criminal charges brought against them. As much as things change they stay the same. Levy/Dormer's latest crop of political appointments are just as F'd up if not more F'd up than the dirt bags they replaced. Given the lack of criminal proceedings in the above mentioned crimes speaks volumes about the PD's ability to "police itself" especially when it's an SOA member committing the crimes.

[county residue]

a glimpse into the exotic world of low-level politics, i feel like im part of the action now. even better someone is taking me serious, maybe i can get a nice little dialogue going. if not i'll just cut+paste everything. say maybe tomorrow i'll leave the house.no thats too scary, my counselor says 1 thing at a time
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[the pehole]

you mean there is a possibility that county appointed politicians are corrupt? in suffolk? long island? they get into accidents and attempt to bully lowly street cops into"doing the right thing"? gee i never heard anything about promotional exams being "lost" and magically turn up found in the hands of a relative taking the same test(wink..wink). gee they seemed so honest just like strebel, and nixon.
get real you simpletons the amount of corruption in any political circle far outways anything we encounter on the street. it certainly escalates with the higher pay and power. their trick is to distract you the citizens with things like us,our salary, then keep us busy arresting you, so the d.a. is too busy with all the b/s to go after them.they're laughing at you.
welcome to reality

[pehole]

that these guys w/130,000 plus salaries live large,do drugs, drink, debauch young women??
gee does not scpd do drug and alcohol testing randomly? oh but the white shirts get to pick who goes?
so they probably pick themselves mostly? set an example right? no, thats unbelievable, they pick on the regular street cops, the ones the public loves to read about when they screw up? hey maybe they even
"tip off" their coke head buddies up in the palace, stay home today we need peepee.
gee outside of going to meetings and having a lot of fun, what do all these guys do for their mega-cop salaries?
damned if i'd ever know im like 221 on sgts list.

[Yayabeans]

Or do not have the brain power to realize that with your attitude and on the job performance you strive for is one small tiny weeney step from becoming in life what you truly should have been, what destiny had in store for you, riding around in a "K" car patrolling a school yard with security as your windshield identifier. And the high school nerds that you bullied are your commander.

[chickenhawk]

i've posted like twice here, you've got guys making fun of sheep, the irish/ scotch rivalry( aint they the same thing?)people talking about wankers, and i get singled out for this stuff,thats discrimination. basically i post here after a rough nite catching bad guys and gals, equal rights and all that, because its silly stuff, yeah im at work right now, relax im 28 personal, not 27.
the comments about my work performance...sniff...sniff really hurt me. no, i do doubt i'm one step away from being fired, you see in suffolk county pd i would have to do something criminal to get fired, but im in over 20 years so even if no problem, my house paid off, kids out of college, got that little place up in canada, yes im bi-citizen. anyhow i never took any test to move up, yet im not in patrol, i dont wear a uniform i dont answer 911 calls... hmm i must be doing something right the only bad thing without the uniform, i gotta pay full price.

[pehole]

dont be so rough on m'man hes just trying to show all the people lined up to pick on us that this is generally a joke to us. we've all heard how lazy,overpaid, dumb, arrogant corrupt smug we are.right guys? or is it just me that gets that?
if that why you are posting, save it you just are making us laugh. actually keep posting it makes the quiet time pass, we enjoy it.

[county residue]

i think it was the sheep thing, thats disgusting , keep it up and you're 1 teeney weeny step away from... hey you do have a teeney weeney already
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[Chicken Hawk]

tiny, thats not what ur wife said

[County Res2]

"The SCPD has investigators above the rank of police officer who deal with allegations of police corruption/unprofessionalism".

Investigators are merely police who've been promoted! The problem is that nobody polices the police and you all cover for one another.

[No Way]

is this s'more allegations of low level corruption in the low level government positions? wow great stuff.
how about the cop that took that thing and then said he didnt, but later someone else said he did, finally he said he didnt take it but saw who did, that guy said he didnt know anything and then the thing turned up a day later in the same spot? ever heard that? huh? ever? nobody polices the police? does anybody doctor the doctor? cashier the cashier? salesman the salesman? good point
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LovelyWendie99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[no its not]

s'mores is marshmallow cocolate thing, not internal affairs

[Wait]

when you cant even spell chocolate, moron

[Arthur Hart]

Quote:does anybody doctor the doctor?

Yes, the patient is responsible for that. If the doctor sucks, people have the right to blow him off and find another.

If a cop sucks, we're stuck with him.

[we the pehole]

blow him off, if the cop sucks ? what you gots a oral fixation

[chickenhawk]

hey that must suck, cant you fire us, after all you are paying our salary? oh you have no say in anything we do? that blows

[Moron]

hi my name is moron. i pretend to be a suffolk cop and spend countless hours posting semi-mindless drivel in an attempt to disrupt threads that i dont agrre with...which is just about every thread here except for the 310 thread. i really enjoy showing off my college education by writing nonsensical musings that make me sound like a raving lunatic. sorry, full moon gotta go.

[chickenhawk]

u found us out. sorry,see part of our pretend scpd job involves computer work, when we are done w/ it we like to come here and disrupt all the serious debates you civilians are having. no its not 1 person, we are a team, we work at a desk a bit then we go out and catch bad guys. as far as college i think thats flattering i barely graduated hi-school. if you dont believe me to be a cop, give me some clue to who you be, then i'll find u and let u read the serial # of my glock.
sorry we thought it was FREEDOM OF SPEECH to voice our disagreements with your little opinions. and looking back to the yaya post, as far as my performance, i just hit my 200th 32 of the year, oh that's scpd code for arrest. i looked that up on the how to pretend to be a scpd officer on the police issues board website

[pehole]

more like 100 plus 100 b/s 195.05, 205.30, of course you drew 2nd cc for everyone,plus conviction rate or 20%, you are a moron

[please tell us more]

again not that its any of your business, but,you see as part of our contract police officers are allowed up to 10 minutes an hour for personal time, hit the head, smoke a butt, drink some soda, the 8 years i was on patrol i never got to go out 28 personal, now that i run my schedule, i make sure i take advantage of this time.oh by the way since when did you, take over suffolk county? thats whos name is on my check, thats whose payroll i belong to if so i want another raise

[fd676789]

fd rules

[smragib]

Mr. Menso, Your story and replies are bizarre to say the least. Originally all I asked for was a story to back up your accusations. You finally provided your side to the story which quite honestly doesn't add up. One thing I have noticed is that you tend to forget to mention such things as your history with the NYPD and ultimate dismissal due to illigal drug use until it was thrown out there by another individual. You also seem to have a tendency of playing down your own wrongs while building others into the crimes of the century. You refer to your case involving illigal drug use as only a violation yet at the time you were employed as a NYPD detective and as anyone should know that law enforcement officers are and should be held to a higher standard. You obvioulsly used extremely bad judgement during your career as a police officer and so what is to lead us to believe that your judgement has improved at all through the years

[Crim. Justice Professor]

This is considered "old hat" by even members of the political community. Goes back to the "CRIME IN A FREE SOCIETY" study under the JOHNSON administration. Today there is an over abundance of oversight ranging from local legislation to federal guidelines.

The theory was put to the test in some inner cities of the late 60's due to civil strife. The boards never manifested themselves because overreative community members were not 1) familiar with law enforcement tactics other than on the "receiving-end' of justice and 2) the boards became political soundboards for anti-police advocates. Hardly the initial purpose or the goal of the civilian review board.




GOAL #1 — A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD

Civilian review of police activity was first proposed in the 1950s because of widespread dissatisfaction with the internal disciplinary procedures of police departments. Many citizens didn't believe that police officials took their complaints seriously. They suspected officials of investigating allegations of abuse superficially at best, and of covering up misconduct. The theory underlying the concept of civilian review is that civilian investigations of citizen complaints are more independent because they are conducted by people who are not sworn officers.

At first, civilian review was a dream few thought would ever be fulfilled. But slow, steady progress has been made, indicating that it's an idea whose time has come. By the end of 1997, more than 75 percent of the nation's largest cities (more than 80 cities across the country) had civilian review systems.

Civilian review advocates in every city have had to overcome substantial resistance from local police departments. One veteran of the struggle for civilian review has chronicled the stages of police opposition as follows —

The "over our dead bodies" stage, during which the police proclaim that they will never accept any type of civilian oversight under any circumstances;

The "magical conversion" stage, when it becomes politically inevitable that civilian review will be adopted. At this point, former police opponents suddenly become civilian review experts and propose the weakest possible models;

The "post-partum resistance" stage, when the newly established civilian review board must fight police opposition to its budget, authority, access to information, etc.

Strong community advocacy is necessary to overcome resistance, even after civilian review is established.

WHAT IS CIVILIAN REVIEW?

Civilian review systems create a lot a confusion because they vary tremendously. Some are more "civilian" than others. Some are not boards but municipal agencies headed by an executive director (who has been appointed by, and is accountable to, the mayor).

The three basic types of civilian review systems are —

Type I. Persons who are not sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers, who then make a recommendation for action to the police chief. This process is the most independent and most "civilian."

Type II. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers for a recommendation.

Type III. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding and make a recommendation to the police chief. If the aggrieved citizen is not satisfied with the chief's action on the complaint, he or she may appeal to a board that includes non-officers. Obviously, this process is the least independent.
Although the above are the most common, other types of civilian review systems also exist.

WHY IS CIVILIAN REVIEW IMPORTANT?

Civilian review establishes the principle of police accountability. Strong evidence exists to show that a complaint review system encourages citizens to act on their grievances. Even a weak civilian review process is far better than none at all.

A civilian review agency can be an important source of information about police misconduct. A civilian agency is more likely to compile and publish data on patterns of misconduct, especially on officers with chronic problems, than is a police internal affairs agency.

Civilian review can alert police administrators to the steps they must take to curb abuse in their departments. Many well-intentioned police officials have failed to act decisively against police brutality because internal investigations didn't provide them with the facts.

TEN PRINCIPLES FOR AN EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD
Independence. The power to conduct hearings, subpoena witnesses and report findings and recommendations to the public.

1. Investigatory Power. The authority to independently investigate incidents and issue findings on complaints.

2. Mandatory Police Cooperation. Complete access to police witnesses and documents through legal mandate or subpoena power.

3. Adequate Funding. Should not be a lower budget priority than police internal affairs systems.

4. Hearings. Essential for solving credibility questions and enhancing public confidence in process.

5.Reflect Community Diversity. Board and staff should be broadly representative of the community it serves.

6. Policy Recommendations. Civilian oversight can spot problem policies and provide a forum for developing reforms.

7. Statistical Analysis. Public statistical reports can detail trends in allegations, and early warning systems can identify officers who are subjects of unusually numerous complaints.

8. Separate Offices. Should be housed away from police headquarters to maintain independence and credibility with public.

9. Disciplinary Role. Board findings should be considered in determining appropriate disciplinary action.

10. The existence of a civilian review agency, a reform in itself, can help ensure that other needed reforms are implemented. A police department can formulate model policies aimed at deterring and punishing misconduct, but those policies will be meaningless unless a system is in place to guarantee that the policies are aggressively enforced.


Civilian review works, if only because it's at least a vast improvement over the police policing themselves. Nearly all existing civilian review systems —
reduce public reluctance to file complaints
reduce procedural barriers to filing complaints
enhance the likelihood that statistical reporting on complaints will be more complete enhance the likelihood of an independent review of abuse allegations foster confidence in complainants that they will get their "day in court" through the hearing process increase scrutiny of police policies that lead to citizen complaints increase opportunities for other reform efforts.

A campaign to establish a civilian review agency, or to strengthen an already existing agency, is an excellent vehicle for community organizing. In Indianapolis, for example, a civilian review campaign brought about not only the establishment of a civilian review agency, but an effective coalition between the Indiana ACLU, the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other community groups that could take future action on other issues.

Your community's campaign should seek a strong, fully-independent and accessible civilian review system. But even with a weak system, you can press for changes to make it more independent and effective.

[taxi driver]

This is considered "old hat" by even members of the political community. Goes back to the "CRIME IN A FREE SOCIETY" study under the JOHNSON administration. Today there is an over abundance of oversight ranging from local legislation to federal guidelines.

The theory was put to the test in some inner cities of the late 60's due to civil strife. The boards never manifested themselves because overreative community members were not 1) familiar with law enforcement tactics other than on the "receiving-end' of justice and 2) the boards became political soundboards for anti-police advocates. Hardly the initial purpose or the goal of the civilian review board.




GOAL #1 — A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD

Civilian review of police activity was first proposed in the 1950s because of widespread dissatisfaction with the internal disciplinary procedures of police departments. Many citizens didn't believe that police officials took their complaints seriously. They suspected officials of investigating allegations of abuse superficially at best, and of covering up misconduct. The theory underlying the concept of civilian review is that civilian investigations of citizen complaints are more independent because they are conducted by people who are not sworn officers.

At first, civilian review was a dream few thought would ever be fulfilled. But slow, steady progress has been made, indicating that it's an idea whose time has come. By the end of 1997, more than 75 percent of the nation's largest cities (more than 80 cities across the country) had civilian review systems.

Civilian review advocates in every city have had to overcome substantial resistance from local police departments. One veteran of the struggle for civilian review has chronicled the stages of police opposition as follows —

The "over our dead bodies" stage, during which the police proclaim that they will never accept any type of civilian oversight under any circumstances;

The "magical conversion" stage, when it becomes politically inevitable that civilian review will be adopted. At this point, former police opponents suddenly become civilian review experts and propose the weakest possible models;

The "post-partum resistance" stage, when the newly established civilian review board must fight police opposition to its budget, authority, access to information, etc.

Strong community advocacy is necessary to overcome resistance, even after civilian review is established.

WHAT IS CIVILIAN REVIEW?

Civilian review systems create a lot a confusion because they vary tremendously. Some are more "civilian" than others. Some are not boards but municipal agencies headed by an executive director (who has been appointed by, and is accountable to, the mayor).

The three basic types of civilian review systems are —

Type I. Persons who are not sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers, who then make a recommendation for action to the police chief. This process is the most independent and most "civilian."

Type II. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers for a recommendation.

Type III. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding and make a recommendation to the police chief. If the aggrieved citizen is not satisfied with the chief's action on the complaint, he or she may appeal to a board that includes non-officers. Obviously, this process is the least independent.
Although the above are the most common, other types of civilian review systems also exist.

WHY IS CIVILIAN REVIEW IMPORTANT?

Civilian review establishes the principle of police accountability. Strong evidence exists to show that a complaint review system encourages citizens to act on their grievances. Even a weak civilian review process is far better than none at all.

A civilian review agency can be an important source of information about police misconduct. A civilian agency is more likely to compile and publish data on patterns of misconduct, especially on officers with chronic problems, than is a police internal affairs agency.

Civilian review can alert police administrators to the steps they must take to curb abuse in their departments. Many well-intentioned police officials have failed to act decisively against police brutality because internal investigations didn't provide them with the facts.

TEN PRINCIPLES FOR AN EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD
Independence. The power to conduct hearings, subpoena witnesses and report findings and recommendations to the public.

1. Investigatory Power. The authority to independently investigate incidents and issue findings on complaints.

2. Mandatory Police Cooperation. Complete access to police witnesses and documents through legal mandate or subpoena power.

3. Adequate Funding. Should not be a lower budget priority than police internal affairs systems.

4. Hearings. Essential for solving credibility questions and enhancing public confidence in process.

5.Reflect Community Diversity. Board and staff should be broadly representative of the community it serves.

6. Policy Recommendations. Civilian oversight can spot problem policies and provide a forum for developing reforms.

7. Statistical Analysis. Public statistical reports can detail trends in allegations, and early warning systems can identify officers who are subjects of unusually numerous complaints.

8. Separate Offices. Should be housed away from police headquarters to maintain independence and credibility with public.

9. Disciplinary Role. Board findings should be considered in determining appropriate disciplinary action.

10. The existence of a civilian review agency, a reform in itself, can help ensure that other needed reforms are implemented. A police department can formulate model policies aimed at deterring and punishing misconduct, but those policies will be meaningless unless a system is in place to guarantee that the policies are aggressively enforced.


Civilian review works, if only because it's at least a vast improvement over the police policing themselves. Nearly all existing civilian review systems —
reduce public reluctance to file complaints
reduce procedural barriers to filing complaints
enhance the likelihood that statistical reporting on complaints will be more complete enhance the likelihood of an independent review of abuse allegations foster confidence in complainants that they will get their "day in court" through the hearing process increase scrutiny of police policies that lead to citizen complaints increase opportunities for other reform efforts.

A campaign to establish a civilian review agency, or to strengthen an already existing agency, is an excellent vehicle for community organizing. In Indianapolis, for example, a civilian review campaign brought about not only the establishment of a civilian review agency, but an effective coalition between the Indiana ACLU, the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other community groups that could take future action on other issues.

Your community's campaign should seek a strong, fully-independent and accessible civilian review system. But even with a weak system, you can press for changes to make it more independent and effective.
just get rid of the dole...please :lol:

[dole....james dole]

THE POLICE MEMO (from the NYPD Patrol Guide).

Interim Order

Subject: Commercially Available Products Containing Prohibited Substances

Date Issued: 7-19-99

Reference: **PG 104 SERIES

Number : 37

1. Members of the service are reminded that the Department policy prohibits the possession or use of all illegal drugs, as well as the abuse of legal (prescribed) drugs, by Department personnel. The following advisory is issued in accord with these policies, and in the interest of ensuring the health and safety of all Department personnel.

2. Members of the service and applicants for Department positions are advised that various commercially available food, cosmetics, and alleged health care products may contain levels of illegal drugs sufficient to cause a positive result on certain Department drug tests. Examples of such products include, but are not limited to, hemp oil and other products that contain cannabis, marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol or carboxylic acid (C-THC), or their derivatives. Although some of these products clearly indicate the presence of prohibited substances, others claim not to contain illegal drugs, derivatives, or ingredients. Because these illegal substances may be present in some products despite the manufacturer’s claims to the contrary, members of the service are advised to exercise extreme caution and carefully examine the list of ingredients of any product which does or might contain prohibited substances.

3. Therefore, on order to help members of the service to promote good health, avoid potentially harmful substances, and adhere to the Department’s fitness for duty and zero tolerance drug policies, the following policy is effective immediately:

POLICY The unauthorized use or ingestion of prohibited substances by all members of the service is prohibited, and shall be cause for disciplinary action including termination. Furthermore, the unauthorized use or ingestion of prohibited substances is not a valid defense when a positive drug test occurs.

DEFINITION Prohibited Substances - commercially available products or substances including foods, cosmetics and alleged health care products that contain or may contain illegal drugs (including marijuana) or their derivatives or active ingredients.

4. The Department’s zero tolerance policy concerning illegal drug use is designed to ensure the health and safety of all members of the service, their coworkers, and the public the Department serves. Members who test positive on a Department drug test for any reason, including the result of the use or ingestion of prohibited substances, will be subject to disciplinary action including termination.

5. Any provisions of the Department Manual or other Department directives in conflict with this order are suspended.

BY DIRECTION OF THE POLICE COMMISSIONER

DISTRIBUTION

All Commands

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Civilian review boards don't work. Why, you ask? For the very reason that physicians are not subjected to them. The average person has no idea how to do a physician's job. How can a less qualified or knowledgeable person determine whether your actions were proper or justified? Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason. I don't want some housewife who has never had to defend herself from physical attack deciding whether or not I acted properly in a use of force situation, or any other situation. I want another cop to do it. He or she knows how to do my job and what it entails. Before someone rags on about how we can't "police" ourselves consider this. When was the last time a doctor or lawyer, teacher, hairdresser, cable repairman, politician, street sweeper etc. conducted an investigation about the alleged illegal activities of one of their own? Never. When was the last time one of them came forward with information implicating one of their own in a crime? Never. Cops do come forward. The only ones that don't are the ones who are also involved. It seems to me that the rest of society are the ones doing the covering up and protecting their own. Anyone who has ever been the subject of an internal affairs investigation will tell you it is no joke, and it shouldn't be. I don't want any "bad apples" around, nor do 99.9% of the rest ot the cops. They make us look bad and damage our integrity. My job is to put criminals away and I will do that whether they are civilians, or in the very rarest of cases, cops.

Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason.

Lawyers, unlike police officers, are not public officials with the authority to bash someone's head in with a nightstick.

Since when is police work considered a "profession?" Does six months of basic specialized training make police work a profession? I think not!

[dole...........james dole]

Dude the guy trolling this board, with this crap is a fired ex cop, who wants to lecture the pd on what he thinks is important. nuff said, take it from where it comes...corrupt ex-cop....lecturing about corruption..kind of like Barry Bonds personal trainer giving a lecture on ethics in modern sports, except mr disgruntled excop's not rubbing a ''health supplement'' on your nuts.

Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason.

Lawyers, unlike police officers, are not public officials with the authority to bash someone's head in with a nightstick.

Since when is police work considered a "profession?" Does six months of basic specialized training make police work a profession? I think not!
a lawyer cannot (or shouldnt) physically harm someone but certainly even a one way dead end like can muster the intelligence to realize how a incompetent or corrupt lawyer can adversely affect the lives of any people he deals with, certainly a victim of a crime who doesnt sees justice and watches the perpetrator walk suffers far more and longer than someone with a physical injury. Or certainly a innocent person wrongly convicted of a crime suffers a sentence and permanent record he doesnt deserve....
Just for your own edification, nightsticks are no longer used in most departments, they now use expandable batons, not nearly as damaging.
Blows to the head, ala Rodney King , are not authorized, in nearly every Police dept I've ever dealt with. Even if the situation is one of self defense as opposed to a resistive subject, if there are injuries in the head or neck region, the officer will have to face iab and possible dept charges.
the six month dig is cute, but in reality that is just the minimum training to leave the academy. You still are required to pass further training in the field to graduate. Usually most officers end up with 100s of hours of additional training by the time they are off field training, somewhere between 1 and 2 years. I personally have several certifications in terrorism, laser, paramedic, atvs, boats, crime scene, fingerprinting, and about a dozen other by the time I had 5 years on, after all its free, actually I'm getting paid for it :lol:
But seriously the ''job'' has changed quite a bit since you last were part of the quotecircleunquote you'd have a lot of trouble, no blows to the head, no beat downs, no robberies that are puffed up purse/ recorder snatchings...tee hee... they actually have temperature strips on the urine cups so you couldnt just bring your friends to the DOLE, lol.....oh the vinegar thing doesnt work either wink-wink

hi I'm john do as I say, not as I do. Its ok for me to be corrupt, but not you...cheese

how can i control the police when i cant even control my yellow cab?

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[mesno]

were u banned when you posted this?

Civilian review boards don't work. Why, you ask? For the very reason that physicians are not subjected to them. The average person has no idea how to do a physician's job. How can a less qualified or knowledgeable person determine whether your actions were proper or justified? Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason. I don't want some housewife who has never had to defend herself from physical attack deciding whether or not I acted properly in a use of force situation, or any other situation. I want another cop to do it. He or she knows how to do my job and what it entails. Before someone rags on about how we can't "police" ourselves consider this. When was the last time a doctor or lawyer, teacher, hairdresser, cable repairman, politician, street sweeper etc. conducted an investigation about the alleged illegal activities of one of their own? Never. When was the last time one of them came forward with information implicating one of their own in a crime? Never. Cops do come forward. The only ones that don't are the ones who are also involved. It seems to me that the rest of society are the ones doing the covering up and protecting their own. Anyone who has ever been the subject of an internal affairs investigation will tell you it is no joke, and it shouldn't be. I don't want any "bad apples" around, nor do 99.9% of the rest ot the cops. They make us look bad and damage our integrity. My job is to put criminals away and I will do that whether they are civilians, or in the very rarest of cases, cops.

Comparing police work to the medical profession? You guys need to get a grip. You're job is important, but it's not NEARLY as specialized and skilled as an MD's, despite what your bloated ego and sense of self importance would lead you to believe.

Yes, we already know that cops don't want anyone watching over them. They never have. Numerous instances in the past have proven that police need to be watched, like anyone else. Power corrupts.

If you do your job correctly, you won't have anything to worry about, civilian complaint review board or not.

[Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:47 p]

thanks bud too bad you are about 5 months late on the thread..............dufus

Civilian review boards don't work. Why, you ask? For the very reason that physicians are not subjected to them. The average person has no idea how to do a physician's job. How can a less qualified or knowledgeable person determine whether your actions were proper or justified? Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason. I don't want some housewife who has never had to defend herself from physical attack deciding whether or not I acted properly in a use of force situation, or any other situation. I want another cop to do it. He or she knows how to do my job and what it entails. Before someone rags on about how we can't "police" ourselves consider this. When was the last time a doctor or lawyer, teacher, hairdresser, cable repairman, politician, street sweeper etc. conducted an investigation about the alleged illegal activities of one of their own? Never. When was the last time one of them came forward with information implicating one of their own in a crime? Never. Cops do come forward. The only ones that don't are the ones who are also involved. It seems to me that the rest of society are the ones doing the covering up and protecting their own. Anyone who has ever been the subject of an internal affairs investigation will tell you it is no joke, and it shouldn't be. I don't want any "bad apples" around, nor do 99.9% of the rest ot the cops. They make us look bad and damage our integrity. My job is to put criminals away and I will do that whether they are civilians, or in the very rarest of cases, cops.

Comparing police work to the medical profession? You guys need to get a grip. You're job is important, but it's not NEARLY as specialized and skilled as an MD's, despite what your bloated ego and sense of self importance would lead you to believe.

Yes, we already know that cops don't want anyone watching over them. They never have. Numerous instances in the past have proven that police need to be watched, like anyone else. Power corrupts.

If you do your job correctly, you won't have anything to worry about, civilian complaint review board or not.

You are exactly what I was talking about. Another pinhead who has no idea how to do my job or what it entails but sees himself as qualified to set policies and make the rules. No, I don't have as much formal education as an MD. That doesn't mean I don't have an education. Training? That's a different matter. I am as well trained in my PROFESSION as any physician is in his. I and the overwhelming majority of cops do my job correctly. Believe it or not, people lie. People lie, especially when they believe that making up some inane story will mitigate or reduce the charges against them. I don't want some clueless civilian however well intentioned he may be deciding who's telling the truth. I want a TRAINED investigator getting to the bottom of things. That leaves you out. That also leaves out anyone who is not a cop. You sound like you actually believe what you are saying. That just proves my point. If for some reason IA and the DA's office think I did something wrong you will get your chance to judge me if you get picked to serve on a jury. Civilian complaint review board? It would be just as likely to make a bad decision in favor of a cop as it would be to make a bad decision against. Trained, experienced investigators dont make those kind of mistakes. I don't know why I went on so long. A moron like you will never understand, no matter how simply it is stated.

[STFU]

All they want to do is tie the hands of the police behind there back so they can get away with crimes.

Civilian review boards don't work. Why, you ask? For the very reason that physicians are not subjected to them. The average person has no idea how to do a physician's job. How can a less qualified or knowledgeable person determine whether your actions were proper or justified? Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason. I don't want some housewife who has never had to defend herself from physical attack deciding whether or not I acted properly in a use of force situation, or any other situation. I want another cop to do it. He or she knows how to do my job and what it entails. Before someone rags on about how we can't "police" ourselves consider this. When was the last time a doctor or lawyer, teacher, hairdresser, cable repairman, politician, street sweeper etc. conducted an investigation about the alleged illegal activities of one of their own? Never. When was the last time one of them came forward with information implicating one of their own in a crime? Never. Cops do come forward. The only ones that don't are the ones who are also involved. It seems to me that the rest of society are the ones doing the covering up and protecting their own. Anyone who has ever been the subject of an internal affairs investigation will tell you it is no joke, and it shouldn't be. I don't want any "bad apples" around, nor do 99.9% of the rest ot the cops. They make us look bad and damage our integrity. My job is to put criminals away and I will do that whether they are civilians, or in the very rarest of cases, cops.

Comparing police work to the medical profession? You guys need to get a grip. You're job is important, but it's not NEARLY as specialized and skilled as an MD's, despite what your bloated ego and sense of self importance would lead you to believe.

Yes, we already know that cops don't want anyone watching over them. They never have. Numerous instances in the past have proven that police need to be watched, like anyone else. Power corrupts.

If you do your job correctly, you won't have anything to worry about, civilian complaint review board or not.

You are exactly what I was talking about. Another pinhead who has no idea how to do my job or what it entails but sees himself as qualified to set policies and make the rules. No, I don't have as much formal education as an MD. That doesn't mean I don't have an education. Training? That's a different matter. I am as well trained in my PROFESSION as any physician is in his. I and the overwhelming majority of cops do my job correctly. Believe it or not, people lie. People lie, especially when they believe that making up some inane story will mitigate or reduce the charges against them. I don't want some clueless civilian however well intentioned he may be deciding who's telling the truth. I want a TRAINED investigator getting to the bottom of things. That leaves you out. That also leaves out anyone who is not a cop. You sound like you actually believe what you are saying. That just proves my point. If for some reason IA and the DA's office think I did something wrong you will get your chance to judge me if you get picked to serve on a jury. Civilian complaint review board? It would be just as likely to make a bad decision in favor of a cop as it would be to make a bad decision against. Trained, experienced investigators dont make those kind of mistakes. I don't know why I went on so long. A moron like you will never understand, no matter how simply it is stated.

I am completely aware that most cops do their jobs correctly. I never said otherwise.

You must have something to hide. :shock:

All they want to do is tie the hands of the police behind there back so they can get away with crimes.

Right, the people on a civilian complaint review board would be staffed by people with rap sheets.


:shock:

The blue wall of paranoia!!

Despite what most of you guys tend to think, here are the facts:

-Most people on LI have clean criminal records
-Most people on LI hate thugs and don't buy the "race card" tactic used by thugs

Civilian review boards don't work. Why, you ask? For the very reason that physicians are not subjected to them. The average person has no idea how to do a physician's job. How can a less qualified or knowledgeable person determine whether your actions were proper or justified? Lawyers are reviewed by their peers as well. I could list dozens of other professions with no civilian oversight for the same reason. I don't want some housewife who has never had to defend herself from physical attack deciding whether or not I acted properly in a use of force situation, or any other situation. I want another cop to do it. He or she knows how to do my job and what it entails. Before someone rags on about how we can't "police" ourselves consider this. When was the last time a doctor or lawyer, teacher, hairdresser, cable repairman, politician, street sweeper etc. conducted an investigation about the alleged illegal activities of one of their own? Never. When was the last time one of them came forward with information implicating one of their own in a crime? Never. Cops do come forward. The only ones that don't are the ones who are also involved. It seems to me that the rest of society are the ones doing the covering up and protecting their own. Anyone who has ever been the subject of an internal affairs investigation will tell you it is no joke, and it shouldn't be. I don't want any "bad apples" around, nor do 99.9% of the rest ot the cops. They make us look bad and damage our integrity. My job is to put criminals away and I will do that whether they are civilians, or in the very rarest of cases, cops.

Comparing police work to the medical profession? You guys need to get a grip. You're job is important, but it's not NEARLY as specialized and skilled as an MD's, despite what your bloated ego and sense of self importance would lead you to believe.

Yes, we already know that cops don't want anyone watching over them. They never have. Numerous instances in the past have proven that police need to be watched, like anyone else. Power corrupts.

If you do your job correctly, you won't have anything to worry about, civilian complaint review board or not.

You are exactly what I was talking about. Another pinhead who has no idea how to do my job or what it entails but sees himself as qualified to set policies and make the rules. No, I don't have as much formal education as an MD. That doesn't mean I don't have an education. Training? That's a different matter. I am as well trained in my PROFESSION as any physician is in his. I and the overwhelming majority of cops do my job correctly. Believe it or not, people lie. People lie, especially when they believe that making up some inane story will mitigate or reduce the charges against them. I don't want some clueless civilian however well intentioned he may be deciding who's telling the truth. I want a TRAINED investigator getting to the bottom of things. That leaves you out. That also leaves out anyone who is not a cop. You sound like you actually believe what you are saying. That just proves my point. If for some reason IA and the DA's office think I did something wrong you will get your chance to judge me if you get picked to serve on a jury. Civilian complaint review board? It would be just as likely to make a bad decision in favor of a cop as it would be to make a bad decision against. Trained, experienced investigators dont make those kind of mistakes. I don't know why I went on so long. A moron like you will never understand, no matter how simply it is stated.

I am completely aware that most cops do their jobs correctly. I never said otherwise.

You must have something to hide. :shock:

BLOW ME!!!

All they want to do is tie the hands of the police behind there back so they can get away with crimes.

Right, the people on a civilian complaint review board would be staffed by people with rap sheets.




They are in the city.

All they want to do is tie the hands of the police behind there back so they can get away with crimes.

Right, the people on a civilian complaint review board would be staffed by people with rap sheets.




They are in the city.

Well, then whoever allowed them to be is a damn fool!!

Most LIers want the police to be able to do their jobs ridding the streets of filth, trust me. The only concern is the one or 2 cops out of hundreds who are abusing their position.

All they want to do is tie the hands of the police behind there back so they can get away with crimes.

Right, the people on a civilian complaint review board would be staffed by people with rap sheets.




They are in the city.

Well, then whoever allowed them to be is a damn fool!!

Most LIers want the police to be able to do their jobs ridding the streets of filth, trust me. The only concern is the one or 2 cops out of hundreds who are abusing their position.

So then, inorder to get the "1 or 2 bad cops out of hundreds" you want to scrap the current system, which works well I might add, in favor of a system that has proven to be ineffective. Wow, talk about if it aint broke fix it anyway. Your arguement is asinine and the "statistics" you use don't support it. I have news for you. It's even less than 1 or 2 out of hundreds. If you're going to come on this board with your ideas how to save the world at least have valid statistics and accurate information so you can present some sort of cogent arguement.

[guest10101]

first of all.... if you want ccrb watch what you ask for.. seems to have worked real good for the city they're getting top notch results in there by tying the hands of cops behind their backs. Second taking untrained civilians and having them judge the work of highly trained law officers (Who may I add many have masters or higher degrees), is like having a group of lawyers review a mechanics repair or a group of cops reviewing a doctors recent sugery. get real everyone thinks they can do a police officers job but dont have the first idea of how to do their job. maybe I'll come to you officer on mon and show you how to shuffle those papers around and review your work.

first of all.... if you want ccrb watch what you ask for.. seems to have worked real good for the city they're getting top notch results in there by tying the hands of cops behind their backs. Second taking untrained civilians and having them judge the work of highly trained law officers (Who may I add many have masters or higher degrees), is like having a group of lawyers review a mechanics repair or a group of cops reviewing a doctors recent sugery. get real everyone thinks they can do a police officers job but dont have the first idea of how to do their job. maybe I'll come to you officer on mon and show you how to shuffle those papers around and review your work.Yeah the ccrb worked, try getting a cop in the city to arrest someone or get involved in a dicy situation, the only thing the ccrb did is flush all the decent cops out of the job on to other better jobs. Its great thanks

Most LIers want the police to be able to do their jobs ridding the streets of filth, trust me. The only concern is the one or 2 cops out of hundreds who are abusing their position Those 2 are handled easily by iab. Think of it this way ccrb would bang 98 innocent cops out of 100 cops but miss the 2 guilty ones. WHy? Quota ? Job security? Political motives? Witch Hunts YES.
It is different out here compared the city, the county handle 600ish civilian complaints a year, the majority are unfounded whereas in the city thats probably 2 weeks.
The ccrb out here would be terribly underworked, and way overpaid, afterall why would they have minimum wagers who could be easily influenced by certain groups, or incentives, they would be highly educated and paid a salary similiar to a p.o. to remove any temptation. What would show this to be a waste lets say they found a p.o. guilty of something, being rude or mean, and their recommendation was a days hit, this would be reviewed by the C.O. of the precinct, who would usually make the day into a verbal warning, and if not by the C.O., the PBA would fight it, appeal it using lawyers and have it reduced. All of this costs money, and who is paying for it?
As far as a real criminal investigation, the county seems quite inept, but if the ccrb was civilian without any law degree, or trial/investigation background, it would be a joke.

Most LIers want the police to be able to do their jobs ridding the streets of filth, trust me. The only concern is the one or 2 cops out of hundreds who are abusing their position Those 2 are handled easily by iab. Think of it this way ccrb would bang 98 innocent cops out of 100 cops but miss the 2 guilty ones. WHy? Quota ? Job security? Political motives? Witch Hunts YES.
It is different out here compared the city, the county handle 600ish civilian complaints a year, the majority are unfounded whereas in the city thats probably 2 weeks.
The ccrb out here would be terribly underworked, and way overpaid, afterall why would they have minimum wagers who could be easily influenced by certain groups, or incentives, they would be highly educated and paid a salary similiar to a p.o. to remove any temptation. What would show this to be a waste lets say they found a p.o. guilty of something, being rude or mean, and their recommendation was a days hit, this would be reviewed by the C.O. of the precinct, who would usually make the day into a verbal warning, and if not by the C.O., the PBA would fight it, appeal it using lawyers and have it reduced. All of this costs money, and who is paying for it?
As far as a real criminal investigation, the county seems quite inept, but if the ccrb was civilian without any law degree, or trial/investigation background, it would be a joke.

Fair enough. Good points. I never thought that there were major problems with SCPD on the ground.

[Pensions]

Let's face it................... Most of the cops are on the job because of a good pension, not to take a bullet for an innocent person and save a life like it's supposed to be. As far as the CCRB , I think it is very important to watch the wanna be cowboys out there. You have to admit we have plenty of cops that like to hide behind the badge and feel very important with it. As far as comparing a cop to a Doctor, come on get real............... CIVIL SERVICE worker and a DOCTOR, hello, get a life. Ciao

[cobwebs]

Let's face it................... Most of the cops are on the job because of a good pension, not to take a bullet for an innocent person and save a life like it's supposed to be. As far as the CCRB , I think it is very important to watch the wanna be cowboys out there. You have to admit we have plenty of cops that like to hide behind the badge and feel very important with it. As far as comparing a cop to a Doctor, come on get real............... CIVIL SERVICE worker and a DOCTOR, hello, get a life. CiaoLets face it most people, not just cops,work because they want to get paid and get the best they can for themselves. So a police job has a few benefits and better pay then yours. Oh well.
There is nothing on this 2.5 year old thread that has anything to do with doctors. Why are you bringing that up?
We dont have a ccrb, nor do we need them.

[ccrb is the way 2b]

We dont have a ccrb, nor do we need them.oh yea? well guess what li ccrb's are coming!!

[ccrb aint happening]

oh yea? well guess what li ccrb's are coming!!

No they aint. Nice try, both counties have a agreement, no civilian review board from now until 2024.
Yawn. Just starving for attention, huh?
See ya next week

[YOU IDIOT!!]

oh yea? well guess what li ccrb's are coming!!

Is this supposed to strike a nerve? I love when trolls try to act like they know something, and they show their complete idiocy, which is pretty much every post. MORON!!

[honest citizen]

The SCPD is extremely professional almost 99.9% of the time. They understand what the community expects; act like the professional you profess to be.

The NCPD used to be very professional back in the 70's and early 80's. Many are now extremely arrogant when they respond to a call and act like they are doing our citizen's a favor by responding. They tend to ignore people when they enter into most precincts (not all) and are quite rude. This may be due to hiring NYPD some who are burnt out or partially due to having too much power. Either way, its not a good thing to see a board like this and many others singling out NC PO's. At some point, it will catch up with the rank and file during the next contract.

I do expect the wild statements from those pro NCPD regardless of what the reality is or the preception which often becomes reality.

[UnregisteredNot Happening]

The SCPD is extremely professional almost 99.9% of the time. They understand what the community expects; act like the professional you profess to be.

The NCPD used to be very professional back in the 70's and early 80's. Many are now extremely arrogant when they respond to a call and act like they are doing our citizen's a favor by responding. They tend to ignore people when they enter into most precincts (not all) and are quite rude. This may be due to hiring NYPD some who are burnt out or partially due to having too much power. Either way, its not a good thing to see a board like this and many others singling out NC PO's. At some point, it will catch up with the rank and file during the next contract.

I do expect the wild statements from those pro NCPD regardless of what the reality is or the preception which often becomes reality.

NOT !

[Run262]

Know who would love to see a CCRB? The sgts and lieutenant. Let some other agency do all that work. IAB doesn't investigate most of theirs anyway. They dump them on some 12 month sgt to handle.

[hear that???]

The SCPD is extremely professional almost 99.9% of the time. They understand what the community expects; act like the professional you profess to be.

The NCPD used to be very professional back in the 70's and early 80's. Many are now extremely arrogant when they respond to a call and act like they are doing our citizen's a favor by responding. They tend to ignore people when they enter into most precincts (not all) and are quite rude. This may be due to hiring NYPD some who are burnt out or partially due to having too much power. Either way, its not a good thing to see a board like this and many others singling out NC PO's. At some point, it will catch up with the rank and file during the next contract.

I do expect the wild statements from those pro NCPD regardless of what the reality is or the preception which often becomes reality.As always, no response. As always this is a suffolk board, w/ a smattering of other jobs. As always your ncpd bashing falls on indifferent ears.

[JoeBotz]

read our contract, never happen. at least in suffolk. i know should not say never, maybe when my son gets otj, hes 4 1/2, i'll be long retired. see ya on the links doc

Audacity! read our contract! get out of here,,if the ongoing SIC investigations bear fruit,,as I have good reason to believe so,,then tuff shit.

SCPD IAB Unit is a waste of tax payers monies, We The People,,should over see all P.D.'s. Checks and balances,,if a Cop/LEO is honest,,then not a problem.

[JoeBotz]

This department has done a good job of policing itself when those situations arise. Members have been fired and even prosecuted. There is no need for a CCRB. The department has a policy for civilian complaints and DOES investigate them. The people wanting a CCRB in Suffolk County don't realize this. They also fail to recognize that the SCPD is truly made up of professional men and women!!

Get The F OUT OF HERE! Not all are Professionals...I know the difference.
Many are a bunch of unprofessional cowboys, that never heard of The U.S. Constitution nor do many realize that "One does not have to break the law in order to enforce the law".

[Unregisteredsfd4]

Audacity! read our contract! get out of here,,if the ongoing SIC investigations bear fruit,,as I have good reason to believe so,,then tuff shit.

SCPD IAB Unit is a waste of tax payers monies, We The People,,should over see all P.D.'s. Checks and balances,,if a Cop/LEO is honest,,then not a problem.Lemme get this straight, a post states ccrb is coming to li.A reply states it is not going to happen because of the a written contract. Thats audacity?
"We the people " are not qualified to oversee all the pds.
On what basis, other then your own bias opinion, are you stating ia is a waste of money?